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href="/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect/Archive_2022" title="User talk:RevelationDirect/Archive 2022">2022</a>, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect/Archive_2023" title="User talk:RevelationDirect/Archive 2023">2023</a> </pre> </td> </tr><tr><td style="padding-bottom:11px"><div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox mw-inputbox-form" action="/wiki/Special:Search"><div class="cdx-text-input"><input class="mw-inputbox-input mw-searchInput searchboxInput cdx-text-input__input" name="search" placeholder="" size="22" dir="ltr"/></div><input type="hidden" value="User talk:RevelationDirect/" name="prefix"/><br/><input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Search archives" class="cdx-button"/><input type="hidden" value="Search" name="fulltext"/></form></div> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="BrownHairedGirl" data-mw-thread-id="h-BrownHairedGirl-20230824130600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BrownHairedGirl-20230824130600"></span>BrownHairedGirl<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BrownHairedGirl-20230824130600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: BrownHairedGirl"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevelationDirect-20230824130600-BrownHairedGirl"></span>I am deeply saddened that BrownHairedGirl and I were both unable to initially resolve our differences one-on-one at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrownHairedGirl/Archive/Archive_075#Apologies_for_CFD_comment" title="User talk:BrownHairedGirl/Archive/Archive 075">her talk page</a>. I've re-read that exchange at least a dozen times to try and figure out where I could have defused things early on but I remain uncertain. </p><p>As far as the ArbComm case, my evidence <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute/Evidence">is here</a> and my analysis <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Workshop#Pattern_of_Engagement_at_ArbComm" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute/Workshop">is here</a> and I don’t have anything to add. Except that I remain surprised that BrownHairedGirl did not eventually submit at least some formal evidence because I'm convinced that would have led to a better and more nuanced outcome. </p><p>I have almost always appreciated BrownHairedGirl's substantive contributions and still proudly display a CFD-related <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect/Archive_2020#A_barnstar_for_you" title="User talk:RevelationDirect/Archive 2020">barnstar from her</a> on my user page. If you came here to congratulate me for her site ban or do any <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GRAVEDANCING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GRAVEDANCING">WP:GRAVEDANCING</a>, you have <i>badly</i> misread me. Please take that junk elsewhere. - <a href="/wiki/User:RevelationDirect" title="User:RevelationDirect">RevelationDirect</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-RevelationDirect-20230824130600-BrownHairedGirl" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevelationDirect-20230824130600-BrownHairedGirl"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevelationDirect-20230824130600-BrownHairedGirl"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beccaynr-20230826050100-RevelationDirect-20230824130600"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nice_Cup_of_Tea.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Nice_Cup_of_Tea"><img alt="Nice_Cup_of_Tea" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Nice_Cup_of_Tea.jpg/110px-Nice_Cup_of_Tea.jpg" decoding="async" width="110" height="83" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Nice_Cup_of_Tea.jpg/165px-Nice_Cup_of_Tea.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Nice_Cup_of_Tea.jpg/220px-Nice_Cup_of_Tea.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3072" data-file-height="2304"/></a><figcaption>Nice_Cup_of_Tea</figcaption></figure> How about a nice cup of tea instead, because I hope with the case now over, you can take some time to rest and recharge. And I think it is always good to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SUPERHERO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SUPERHERO">remember</a> "Wikipedia doesn't need you to be the hero and save the day, it only needs you to be the best collaborative editor you can be." Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Beccaynr" title="User:Beccaynr">Beccaynr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beccaynr" title="User talk:Beccaynr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Beccaynr-20230826050100-RevelationDirect-20230824130600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:01, 26 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beccaynr-20230826050100-RevelationDirect-20230824130600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beccaynr-20230826050100-RevelationDirect-20230824130600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category" data-mw-thread-id="h-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category-20240125175000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category-20240125175000"></span>Schema issue for the naming of law enforcement operations category<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category-20240125175000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Schema issue for the naming of law enforcement operations category"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jiwhit01-20240125175000-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category"></span>Please see the talk on Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. I'm sure you are partial to the page you created, but I think it's less intutive than the one created for the FBI. I'm reviewing the law enforcement operation pages for the agencies to see if they exist and how they are named. My current knee jerk reaction is to use the naming as was for the FBI enforcement operations Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation operations. </p><p>That would mean going through and relinking each of the pages for ICE to the new category Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. <a href="/wiki/User:Jiwhit01" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jiwhit01">eximo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jiwhit01" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jiwhit01">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Jiwhit01-20240125175000-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jiwhit01-20240125175000-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jiwhit01-20240125175000-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevelationDirect-20240125201100-Jiwhit01-20240125175000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jiwhit01" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jiwhit01">Jiwhit01</a>:</span> Thanks for pinging me and let me give a little context: Generally we follow the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CATMAIN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CATMAIN">main article</a>'s naming format in the category space per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:C2D" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:C2D">WP:C2D</a> to make navigation easier for the readers . So, the main article is <a href="/wiki/U.S._Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement" title="U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement">U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement</a> so the corresponding category matches with <a href="/wiki/Category:U.S._Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement" title="Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement">Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement</a>. Similarly, the main article for the FBI is <a href="/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation" title="Federal Bureau of Investigation">Federal Bureau of Investigation</a> so that subcategory is <a href="/wiki/Category:Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation_operations" title="Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation operations">Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation operations</a> to match. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>The difference you're see between the categories is because one agency has "U.S." in the main article and one does not. If you think an article does not follow the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a> or could be improved, you can create an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM</a> on <i>that</i> article's talk page. (If that RM is successful, you can then use <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:C2D" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:C2D">WP:C2D</a> to speedy rename the category.) Since so few people visit category talk pages though, if you think there's a navigational benefit to changing the category name, that would be discussed centrally at a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CFD">WP:CFD</a> nomination. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>So, I respectfully disagree with renaming the category <b>and</b> I want you to point you to the right place if you want to proceed! Let me know if you have other questions about CFD though; it can be confusing to even established editors that haven't seen that process before.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Either, way, happy editing! - <a href="/wiki/User:RevelationDirect" title="User:RevelationDirect">RevelationDirect</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-RevelationDirect-20240125201100-Jiwhit01-20240125175000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevelationDirect-20240125201100-Jiwhit01-20240125175000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevelationDirect-20240125201100-Jiwhit01-20240125175000"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jiwhit01-20240126041500-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:RevelationDirect" title="User:RevelationDirect">RevelationDirect</a>:</span></dd></dl> <p>I've looked at every page that is included in the <a href="/wiki/Category:U.S._Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement" title="Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement">Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement</a> (ICE) and there is a nuanced difference between that category and the type of pages it is included on and <a href="/wiki/Category:Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation_operations" title="Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation operations">Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation operations</a>. For example, <a href="/wiki/Homeland_Security_Investigations" class="mw-redirect" title="Homeland Security Investigations">Homeland Security Investigations</a>, <a href="/wiki/Basile_Detention_Center" title="Basile Detention Center">Basile Detention Center</a> or any of the other detention centers, <a href="/wiki/Death_of_Carlos_Ernesto_Escobar_Mej%C3%ADa" title="Death of Carlos Ernesto Escobar Mejía">Death of Carlos Ernesto Escobar Mejía</a> which are in the (ICE) category would not be included in the "<i>ICE OPERATIONS</i>" category. I think the category that is specific to the Operations for each of the Law enforcement Agency (LEA): </p> <ul><li>Homeland Security Investigations (HSI)</li> <li>Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)</li> <li>Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)</li> <li>U.S. Postal Inspection Service (USPIS)[2]</li> <li>IRS Criminal Investigation (IRS-CI)</li> <li>Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)</li> <li>Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS)</li></ul> <p>would be very beneficial. I found the category created for the FBI's operations most informative and desire to create one for each LEA. </p><p>So I'm less inclined to suggest a name change to your category. But there will be redundancy that is sure to draw the ire of a few purist. I'm apprehensive though if I go through with this, that somebody with more authority will invoke a speedy deletion on the project. What are your thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:Jiwhit01" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jiwhit01">eximo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jiwhit01" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jiwhit01">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Jiwhit01-20240126041500-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jiwhit01-20240126041500-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jiwhit01-20240126041500-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jiwhit01-20240126091600-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category"></span>Just saw the Hotcat update you made to the category, I'm not clear on what you did. What does the <b>Pipe</b> operator do in this category you added? Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement|Operations. Any help to understand would be appreciated, so I can utilize the skill myself in the future. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Jiwhit01" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jiwhit01">Jiwhit01</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jiwhit01#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jiwhit01">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jiwhit01" title="Special:Contributions/Jiwhit01">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Jiwhit01-20240126091600-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jiwhit01-20240126091600-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jiwhit01-20240126091600-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category"></span> </p><p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevelationDirect-20240127024500-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jiwhit01" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jiwhit01">Jiwhit01</a>:</span> </p> <ol><li>I'm not an admin or anything. We're just two editors having a conversation and it sounds like I misunderstood your question the first time.</li> <li>The pipe just changes how the subcategory is alphabetized under <a href="/wiki/Category:U.S._Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement" title="Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement">Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement</a> so it's under P. That's not a big deal here with only two subcategories, but in a <a href="/wiki/Category:National_Register_of_Historic_Places_in_Louisiana_by_parish" title="Category:National Register of Historic Places in Louisiana by parish">category like this</a> with a bunch of subcats that all start with the same letter it can be helpful.</li> <li>More importantly, I made <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement_operations&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations (page does not exist)">Category:Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations</a> a subcatgory of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement_operations&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations (page does not exist)">Category:Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations</a> just like <a href="/wiki/Category:Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation_operations" title="Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation operations">Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation operations</a> is a subcategory of <a href="/wiki/Category:Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation" title="Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation">Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation</a>. That means readers can use the ICE tree to easily navigate between the two subcategories and the parent category.</li> <li>So <i>both</i> of the categories we created serve a purpose: the parent one I created would still keep articles like <a href="/wiki/U.S._Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement" title="U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement">U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement</a>, <a href="/wiki/Port_Isabel_Detention_Center" title="Port Isabel Detention Center">Port Isabel Detention Center</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Death_of_Carlos_Ernesto_Escobar_Mej%C3%ADa" title="Death of Carlos Ernesto Escobar Mejía">Death of Carlos Ernesto Escobar Mejía</a> since those are not operations.</li> <li>Go ahead and be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLD</a> and move operations articles like <a href="/wiki/Operation_Scheduled_Departure" title="Operation Scheduled Departure">Operation Scheduled Departure</a> and <a href="/wiki/Operation_Dark_Huntor" class="mw-redirect" title="Operation Dark Huntor">Operation Dark Huntor</a> into the <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement_operations&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations (page does not exist)">Category:Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations</a> subcategory and out of the <a href="/wiki/Category:U.S._Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement" title="Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement">Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement</a> parent category. (See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DIFFUSE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DIFFUSE">WP:DIFFUSE</a> for more background on how this works.)</li> <li>(If you were looking to completely empty a category, more discussion would be needed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CFD">WP:CFD</a> but I don't think that should be the case here.)</li> <li>Is it OK if I speedy rename <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement_operations&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations (page does not exist)">Category:Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:U.S._Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement_operations" title="Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations">Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations</a> so it matches the other 2 categories?</li></ol> <p>Sorry if my reply is too long; I get wordy sometimes! - <a href="/wiki/User:RevelationDirect" title="User:RevelationDirect">RevelationDirect</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-RevelationDirect-20240127024500-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 27 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevelationDirect-20240127024500-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevelationDirect-20240127024500-Schema_issue_for_the_naming_of_law_enforcement_operations_category"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jiwhit01-20240129192200-RevelationDirect-20240127024500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:RevelationDirect" title="User:RevelationDirect">RevelationDirect</a> <ol><li>2 response is <i>VERY Helpful!</i> I didn't know that, and was wondering about how to do that</li> <li>3 All a good idea, good change, thank you</li> <li>4 Agree whole heartedly, I'm on the same page as you</li> <li>5 I'll do that, thank you for the assignment, and being clear</li> <li>6 Originally, that was what I thought, but after discussion and understanding the nuanced differences here, your idea is significantly better</li> <li>7 Yes, but does that propagate through all the other pages or do we have to go manually and update each page that ends up with a broken link?</li></ol></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Jiwhit01" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jiwhit01">eximo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jiwhit01" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jiwhit01">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Jiwhit01-20240129192200-RevelationDirect-20240127024500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jiwhit01-20240129192200-RevelationDirect-20240127024500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jiwhit01-20240129192200-RevelationDirect-20240127024500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevelationDirect-20240129195200-Jiwhit01-20240129192200"></span>6/7: Yes, when you nominate categories for renaming either through the speedy process or CFD, the links on all the pages are updated automatically without manual effort. (In fact, doing so manually is frowned upon since it loses the history, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CUTPASTE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CUTPASTE">WP:CUTPASTE</a> for background.) - <a href="/wiki/User:RevelationDirect" title="User:RevelationDirect">RevelationDirect</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-RevelationDirect-20240129195200-Jiwhit01-20240129192200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevelationDirect-20240129195200-Jiwhit01-20240129192200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevelationDirect-20240129195200-Jiwhit01-20240129192200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Women_in_Red" data-mw-thread-id="h-Women_in_Red-20240223104000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Women_in_Red-20240223104000"></span>Women in Red<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Women_in_Red-20240223104000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Women in Red"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-20240223104000-Women_in_Red"></span>Hi there, RevelationDirect, and welcome to Women in Red. It's good to see you now intend to spend more of your editing time writing about women's history and women's clubhouses. I see you have already made a good start on this. You might also be inspired to develop some of the associated biographies. If so, you will find guidance in our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Essays/Primer_for_creating_women%27s_biographies" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Essays/Primer for creating women's biographies">Primer</a>. You might like to add our user box <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:User_WikiProject_Women_in_Red" title="Template:User WikiProject Women in Red">User WikiProject Women in Red</a>}}</code> to your user page where others will be able to see your interest in the project. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing!--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Ipigott-20240223104000-Women_in_Red" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 23 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-20240223104000-Women_in_Red"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-20240223104000-Women_in_Red"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-20240223124600-Ipigott-20240223104000"></span>I suppose you are aware of <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.gfwc.org/about/club-websites/">this site</a>. There seems to be plenty of scope for covering more women's clubs although some of them are certainly of more historical interest than others.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Ipigott-20240223124600-Ipigott-20240223104000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-20240223124600-Ipigott-20240223104000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-20240223124600-Ipigott-20240223104000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevelationDirect-20240225002500-Ipigott-20240223124600"></span>I wasn't but that's a good resource too. I had been going through the <a href="/wiki/List_of_YWCA_buildings" title="List of YWCA buildings">List of YWCA buildings</a> to clear out redlinks but stumbled on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Clubwomen" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Clubwomen">Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Clubwomen</a>. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>I do mostly organizations/buildings and didn't realize WIW worked beyond biographies so I was happy to join in! <a href="/wiki/User:RevelationDirect" title="User:RevelationDirect">RevelationDirect</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-RevelationDirect-20240225002500-Ipigott-20240223124600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:25, 25 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevelationDirect-20240225002500-Ipigott-20240223124600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevelationDirect-20240225002500-Ipigott-20240223124600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-20240225065500-RevelationDirect-20240225002500"></span>Women's works and organizations are an important aspect of our coverage. Keep up the good work!--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Ipigott-20240225065500-RevelationDirect-20240225002500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:55, 25 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-20240225065500-RevelationDirect-20240225002500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-20240225065500-RevelationDirect-20240225002500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started-20240229140600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started-20240229140600"></span>I have sent you a note about a page you started<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started-20240229140600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: I have sent you a note about a page you started"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cocobb8-20240229140600-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started"></span>Hello, RevelationDirect. Thank you for your work on <a href="/wiki/Kirkland_Woman%27s_Club" title="Kirkland Woman's Club">Kirkland Woman's Club</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Cocobb8" title="User:Cocobb8">Cocobb8</a>, while examining this page as a part of our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP">page curation process</a>, had the following comments: </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1244412712">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{padding-left:1.6em}}</style><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>Thank you for your great work with this article, and please keep going! Cheers</p></blockquote> <p>To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">{{Re|Cocobb8}}</code>. Please remember to sign your reply with <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">~~~~</code>. <small>(Message delivered via the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Help" title="Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help">Page Curation</a> tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)</small> </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Cocobb8" title="User:Cocobb8"><b><span style="color:purple">Coco</span><span style="color:green">bb8</span></b></a> (💬 <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cocobb8" title="User talk:Cocobb8">talk</a> • ✏️ <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cocobb8" title="Special:Contributions/Cocobb8">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Cocobb8-20240229140600-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cocobb8-20240229140600-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cocobb8-20240229140600-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_deletion_of_List_of_mayors_of_Wilmington,_Delaware" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_deletion_of_List_of_mayors_of_Wilmington,_Delaware-20240310235600"><span id="Proposed_deletion_of_List_of_mayors_of_Wilmington.2C_Delaware"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_deletion_of_List_of_mayors_of_Wilmington,_Delaware-20240310235600"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">Proposed deletion</a> of <a href="/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Wilmington,_Delaware" title="List of mayors of Wilmington, Delaware">List of mayors of Wilmington, Delaware</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_deletion_of_List_of_mayors_of_Wilmington,_Delaware-20240310235600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Proposed deletion of List of mayors of Wilmington, Delaware"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AusLondonder-20240310235600-Proposed_deletion_of_List_of_mayors_of_Wilmington,_Delaware"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Notice" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Ambox_warning_yellow.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_yellow.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Ambox_warning_yellow.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_yellow.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Ambox_warning_yellow.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_yellow.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="386" data-file-height="334"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>The article <a href="/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Wilmington,_Delaware" title="List of mayors of Wilmington, Delaware">List of mayors of Wilmington, Delaware</a> has been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">proposed for deletion</a> because of the following concern: </p> <blockquote><p><b>No sources for 16 years</b></p></blockquote> <p>While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DEL#REASON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DEL">deleted for any of several reasons</a>. </p><p>You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the <span class="nowrap"><code>{{proposed deletion/dated}}</code></span> notice, but please explain why in your <a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_summary" title="Help:Edit summary">edit summary</a> or on <a href="/wiki/Talk:List_of_mayors_of_Wilmington,_Delaware" title="Talk:List of mayors of Wilmington, Delaware">the article's talk page</a>. </p><p>Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing <span class="nowrap"><code>{{proposed deletion/dated}}</code></span> will stop the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">proposed deletion process</a>, but other <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">deletion processes</a> exist. In particular, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">speedy deletion</a> process can result in deletion without discussion, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion">articles for deletion</a> allows discussion to reach <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a> for deletion. <a href="/wiki/User:AusLondonder" title="User:AusLondonder">AusLondonder</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AusLondonder" title="User talk:AusLondonder">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-AusLondonder-20240310235600-Proposed_deletion_of_List_of_mayors_of_Wilmington,_Delaware" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AusLondonder-20240310235600-Proposed_deletion_of_List_of_mayors_of_Wilmington,_Delaware"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AusLondonder-20240310235600-Proposed_deletion_of_List_of_mayors_of_Wilmington,_Delaware"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevelationDirect-20240311220400-AusLondonder-20240310235600"></span>That was way too long! Multiple citations added. <a href="/wiki/User:RevelationDirect" title="User:RevelationDirect">RevelationDirect</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-RevelationDirect-20240311220400-AusLondonder-20240310235600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevelationDirect-20240311220400-AusLondonder-20240310235600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevelationDirect-20240311220400-AusLondonder-20240310235600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_2-20240412034300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_2-20240412034300"></span>I have sent you a note about a page you started<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_2-20240412034300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: I have sent you a note about a page you started"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SunDawn-20240412034300-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_2"></span>Hello, RevelationDirect. Thank you for your work on <a href="/wiki/Coca-Cola_Syrup_Plant" title="Coca-Cola Syrup Plant">Coca-Cola Syrup Plant</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:SunDawn" title="User:SunDawn">SunDawn</a>, while examining this page as a part of our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP">page curation process</a>, had the following comments: </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1244412712"><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>Good day! Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia by writing this article. I have marked the article as reviewed. Have a wonderful and blessed day for you and your family!</p></blockquote> <p>To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">{{Re|SunDawn}}</code>. Please remember to sign your reply with <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">~~~~</code>. <small>(Message delivered via the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Help" title="Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help">Page Curation</a> tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)</small> </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:SunDawn" title="User:SunDawn"><span style="background-color:black; color:orange;">✠ SunDawn ✠</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SunDawn" title="User talk:SunDawn"><span style="color:blue;"><span style="font-size:85%;">(contact)</span></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-SunDawn-20240412034300-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:43, 12 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SunDawn-20240412034300-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SunDawn-20240412034300-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_2"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_3-20240416024400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_3-20240416024400"></span>I have sent you a note about a page you started<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_3-20240416024400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: I have sent you a note about a page you started"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SunDawn-20240416024400-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_3"></span>Hello, RevelationDirect. Thank you for your work on <a href="/wiki/IBEW_Building" title="IBEW Building">IBEW Building</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:SunDawn" title="User:SunDawn">SunDawn</a>, while examining this page as a part of our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP">page curation process</a>, had the following comments: </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1244412712"><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>Good day! Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia by writing this article. I have marked the article as reviewed. Have a wonderful and blessed day for you and your family!</p></blockquote> <p>To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">{{Re|SunDawn}}</code>. Please remember to sign your reply with <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">~~~~</code>. <small>(Message delivered via the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Help" title="Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help">Page Curation</a> tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)</small> </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:SunDawn" title="User:SunDawn"><span style="background-color:black; color:orange;">✠ SunDawn ✠</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SunDawn" title="User talk:SunDawn"><span style="color:blue;"><span style="font-size:85%;">(contact)</span></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-SunDawn-20240416024400-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 16 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SunDawn-20240416024400-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_3"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SunDawn-20240416024400-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_3"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_4" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_4-20240420144700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_4-20240420144700"></span>I have sent you a note about a page you started<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_4-20240420144700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: I have sent you a note about a page you started"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SunDawn-20240420144700-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_4"></span>Hi RevelationDirect, thank you for your work on <a href="/wiki/YMCA_Sign" title="YMCA Sign">YMCA Sign</a>. Another editor, <a href="/wiki/User:SunDawn" title="User:SunDawn">SunDawn</a>, has reviewed it as part of our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol">new pages patrol</a> and left the following comment: </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1244412712"><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>Good day! Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia by writing this article. I have marked the article as reviewed. Have a wonderful and blessed day for you and your family!</p></blockquote> <p>To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">{{Re|SunDawn}}</code>. <small>(Message delivered via the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Help" title="Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help">Page Curation</a> tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)</small> </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:SunDawn" title="User:SunDawn"><span style="background-color:black; color:orange;">✠ SunDawn ✠</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SunDawn" title="User talk:SunDawn"><span style="color:blue;"><span style="font-size:85%;">(contact)</span></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-SunDawn-20240420144700-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 20 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SunDawn-20240420144700-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_4"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SunDawn-20240420144700-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_4"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Courtesy_notice_of_closed_RM_of_Metropolitan_Club_(New_York_City)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Courtesy_notice_of_closed_RM_of_Metropolitan_Club_(New_York_City)-20240425173500"><span id="Courtesy_notice_of_closed_RM_of_Metropolitan_Club_.28New_York_City.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Courtesy_notice_of_closed_RM_of_Metropolitan_Club_(New_York_City)-20240425173500"></span>Courtesy notice of closed <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">RM</a> of <a href="/wiki/Metropolitan_Club_(New_York_City)" title="Metropolitan Club (New York City)">Metropolitan Club (New York City)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Courtesy_notice_of_closed_RM_of_Metropolitan_Club_(New_York_City)-20240425173500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Courtesy notice of closed RM of Metropolitan Club (New York City)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240425173500-Courtesy_notice_of_closed_RM_of_Metropolitan_Club_(New_York_City)"></span>Hi RevelationDirect, just wanted to let you know I've closed the requested move discussion on the talk page as successful and moved <a href="/wiki/Metropolitan_Club_(New_York_City)" title="Metropolitan Club (New York City)">Metropolitan Club (New York City)</a>. You mentioned you would be interested in doing some of the cleanup associated with it, so this is a quick courtesy notice. The page <a href="/wiki/Metropolitan_Club" class="mw-disambig" title="Metropolitan Club">Metropolitan Club</a> is now a DAB page in the event the links don't get fixed. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:MicrobiologyMarcus" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MicrobiologyMarcus"><span style="font-size:70%; font-family:serif">microbiology</span>Marcus</a> <sup>[<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MicrobiologyMarcus" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:MicrobiologyMarcus">petri dish</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MicrobiologyMarcus" title="Special:Contributions/MicrobiologyMarcus">growths</a></i>]</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240425173500-Courtesy_notice_of_closed_RM_of_Metropolitan_Club_(New_York_City)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 25 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240425173500-Courtesy_notice_of_closed_RM_of_Metropolitan_Club_(New_York_City)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240425173500-Courtesy_notice_of_closed_RM_of_Metropolitan_Club_(New_York_City)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240425175800-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240425173500"></span>Looks like 499 links: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Metropolitan_Club&limit=500">[1]</a>, might require an AWB assisted cleanup. <a href="/wiki/User:MicrobiologyMarcus" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MicrobiologyMarcus"><span style="font-size:70%; font-family:serif">microbiology</span>Marcus</a> <sup>[<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MicrobiologyMarcus" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:MicrobiologyMarcus">petri dish</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MicrobiologyMarcus" title="Special:Contributions/MicrobiologyMarcus">growths</a></i>]</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240425175800-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240425173500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 25 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240425175800-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240425173500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240425175800-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240425173500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Categories_for_Sámi_peoples" data-mw-thread-id="h-Categories_for_Sámi_peoples-20240428155000"><span id="Categories_for_S.C3.A1mi_peoples"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Categories_for_Sámi_peoples-20240428155000"></span>Categories for Sámi peoples<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Categories_for_Sámi_peoples-20240428155000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Categories for Sámi peoples"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yupik-20240428155000-Categories_for_Sámi_peoples"></span>Hi! My apologies for replying so late and on your talk page (my talk page got archived), but I am quite concerned by the destruction of a well though out category structure that mirrors the same categories for non-Sámi people and by the people doing it not having a clue as to what they are merging stuff into, even when it has been pointed out that the categories they are upmerging stuff into are not appropriate. If they spent half as much time looking for people to add to these categories as they do proposing them, there would be no need for a discussion. On the other hand, I am also annoyed by the fact that any attempts to discuss this on these proposals are ignored and usually sets off another round of deletion/merging requests for more Sámi categories to the point where I no longer want to participate in the "discussions" to save the few remaining categories that are left. - <a href="/wiki/User:Yupik" title="User:Yupik">Yupik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yupik" title="User talk:Yupik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Yupik-20240428155000-Categories_for_Sámi_peoples" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yupik-20240428155000-Categories_for_Sámi_peoples"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yupik-20240428155000-Categories_for_Sámi_peoples"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yupik-20240428163300-Yupik-20240428155000"></span>And shortly after I wrote that, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_28#Category:Sámi_textbook_writers" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 28">Cat:Sámi textbook writers</a> got put up for splitting.... - <a href="/wiki/User:Yupik" title="User:Yupik">Yupik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yupik" title="User talk:Yupik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Yupik-20240428163300-Yupik-20240428155000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yupik-20240428163300-Yupik-20240428155000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yupik-20240428163300-Yupik-20240428155000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:1.6em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:1.6em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevelationDirect-20240429114400-Categories_for_Sámi_peoples"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Yupik" title="User:Yupik">Yupik</a>:</span> You have Come to the right place! Not to brag but, after <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute">my foibles last year</a>, I think I'm the best editor on Wikipedia to advise you on category drama. </p><p>We've both been on Wikipedia for a long time and remember when categories were important. But the Wikimedia Foundation chose not to display categories on the mobile view and, since most Wikipeda readers use phones and tablets, they never even <i>see</i> the categories let alone click on them. Instead, mobile readers see three auto-generated "Related Articles" at the bottom of the page. </p><p>That decision is frustrating to me, both because I've spent a lot of time on categories and because the what appears in "Related Articles" is so badly selected. The remaining editors at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CFD">WP:CFD</a> are caring and thoughtful but the process is less nuanced because there are so few of them as so many justifiably lost interest and weren't replaced. Just look at how much more well attended discussions were <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_29" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 April 29">ten years ago</a>! </p><p>I pulled up the oldest article and oldest category you created with the word "Sámi" in it: </p> <ul><li>47,000+ pageviews since 2021 for <a href="/wiki/S%C3%A1mi_National_Day" title="Sámi National Day">Sámi National Day</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2021-01&end=2024-03&pages=S%C3%A1mi_National_Day">source</a>)</li> <li>450 pageviews since 2021 for <a href="/wiki/Category:S%C3%A1mi_politicians" title="Category:Sámi politicians">Category:Sámi politicians</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2021-01&end=2024-03&pages=Category:S%C3%A1mi_politicians">source</a>)</li></ul> <p>I didn't look at the particular nomination you mentioned and don't have a substantive opinion, but I do recognize the level of frustration because I've been there. My advice is to deprioritize the categories and instead to focus your time on creating/improving Sámi articles, since that's what readers care about. </p><p><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Callitropsis" title="User:Callitropsis">Callitropsis</a>:</span>, née SamX, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Preliminary_statements#Statement_by_SamX" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute/Preliminary statements">gave me the same advice last year</a> but I just wasn't ready for it. But maybe you want to invest time so CFD has a much needed additional voice, but just know it's a big effort. Either way, I wish you the best! - <a href="/wiki/User:RevelationDirect" title="User:RevelationDirect">RevelationDirect</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-RevelationDirect-20240429114400-Categories_for_Sámi_peoples" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:44, 29 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevelationDirect-20240429114400-Categories_for_Sámi_peoples"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevelationDirect-20240429114400-Categories_for_Sámi_peoples"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yupik-20240429130500-RevelationDirect-20240429114400"></span>Thank for the advice and I'm sorry that you have also been frustrated with these types of decisions. I've already basically stopped writing here on enwp as it is because all the fun of doing so has been stripped away by the overzealous. The people who prefer to use marketing material from the tourist industry and sources stemming from scientific racism already drove away my colleagues, who are Sámi (I am not), 15 or so years ago.</dd> <dd>Apparently categories is the new target and that is also frustrating beyond belief. I'm not sure who is left at CfD since it is the same two-person tag team that keeps targetting these categories and approving each other's nominations, so any input I or anyone else gives is pointless. So I will be taking your advice and deprioritize categories; I don't have the time and rn I definitely don't have the patience or desire to bang my head against the wall. Unfortunately, I will also not likely touch articles anymore beyond reverting the garbage some IP address keeps sticking into Skolt Saami articles :/</dd> <dd>Do you btw know of any way to turn off notifications for Cfd? There's no point in me seeing them since the categories will just be deleted or merged anyways. - <a href="/wiki/User:Yupik" title="User:Yupik">Yupik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yupik" title="User talk:Yupik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Yupik-20240429130500-RevelationDirect-20240429114400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yupik-20240429130500-RevelationDirect-20240429114400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yupik-20240429130500-RevelationDirect-20240429114400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yupik-20240429131400-Yupik-20240429130500"></span>BTW the pageviews for articles are hard to actually calculate since someone who knows nothing about the Sámi decided to all of a sudden move things around Sámi<->Sami<->Saami and back somewhere around 2021. All of the items had been carefully curated to use the form that was used in English by person or instance it was talking about, so the Saami Council, but the Sámi Parliament in Finland, etc. but they just moved them willy-nilly and then they moved some, but not all of them back. >.< So if you add Category:Saami politicians to the pageview query, the number rises to 1400 since 2015. For the Sámi/Saami/Sami National Day, it is has been viewed 112,420 times. - <a href="/wiki/User:Yupik" title="User:Yupik">Yupik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yupik" title="User talk:Yupik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Yupik-20240429131400-Yupik-20240429130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:14, 29 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yupik-20240429131400-Yupik-20240429130500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yupik-20240429131400-Yupik-20240429130500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevelationDirect-20240430021400-Yupik-20240429131400"></span>If you place <code>{{bots|optout=all}}</code> on your talk page, it will block <i>all</i> bot notices. That would also include Women in Red and similar notices though. The tool being used for the automatic CFD notices is called Twinkle but I'm not sure if it calls some other bot to do that. You might try <code>{{bots|optout=Twinkle}}</code> and see if that works. (Bots are way outside my area of expertise; <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">User:Pppery</a> is a wiz with them though and is a helpful admin if you need more guidance there.)<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>For me, when I'm having trouble with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">WP:AGF</a> with multiple editors, that's usually when it's time for me to take wikibreak, or at least to shift areas. <a href="/wiki/User:RevelationDirect" title="User:RevelationDirect">RevelationDirect</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-RevelationDirect-20240430021400-Yupik-20240429131400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevelationDirect-20240430021400-Yupik-20240429131400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevelationDirect-20240430021400-Yupik-20240429131400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C-20240502231000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C-20240502231000"></span>Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C-20240502231000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><i><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2024/Announcement_%E2%80%93_vote_reminder" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024/Announcement – vote reminder"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RamzyM_(WMF)-20240502231000-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C"></span>You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki.</a> <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Universal+Code+of+Conduct%2FCoordinating+Committee%2FElection%2F2024%2FAnnouncement+%E2%80%93+vote+reminder&language=&action=page&filter=">Please help translate to other languages.</a></i></dd></dl> <p>Dear Wikimedian, </p><p>You are receiving this message because you previously participated in the UCoC process. </p><p>This is a reminder that the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) ends on May 9, 2024. 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Thank you for your work on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Max_Kiel_Building_(1850)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Max Kiel Building (1850) (page does not exist)">Max Kiel Building (1850)</a>. Another editor, <a href="/wiki/User:Voorts" title="User:Voorts">Voorts</a>, has reviewed it as part of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol">new pages patrol</a> and left the following comment: </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1244412712"><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>Please remember to tag redirects that you create per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REDCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REDCAT">WP:REDCAT</a>.</p></blockquote> <p>To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">{{Re|Voorts}}</code>. <small>(Message delivered via the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Help" title="Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help">Page Curation</a> tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)</small> </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Voorts" title="User:Voorts">voorts</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Voorts" title="User talk:Voorts">talk</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Voorts" title="Special:Contributions/Voorts">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Voorts-20240526212700-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)</a> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256386598">.mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#F0F2F5;color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#CCFFCC;color:inherit}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}</style><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Voorts-20240526212700-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_5"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Voorts-20240526212700-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_5"></span> </p> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevelationDirect-20240526213600-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_5"></span>Hatting myself</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Voorts" title="User:Voorts">Voorts</a>:</span> Oops, tagged for deletion and recreated under "Keil". - <a href="/wiki/User:RevelationDirect" title="User:RevelationDirect">RevelationDirect</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-RevelationDirect-20240526213600-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 26 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevelationDirect-20240526213600-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_5"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevelationDirect-20240526213600-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_5"></span></dd></dl> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevelationDirect-20240603032300-RevelationDirect-20240526213600"></span>Oops, read your initial message too fast. Created <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_National_Register_of_Historic_Places_alternative_names" title="Category:Redirects from National Register of Historic Places alternative names">Category:Redirects from National Register of Historic Places alternative names</a> to group the redirects. - <a href="/wiki/User:RevelationDirect" title="User:RevelationDirect">RevelationDirect</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-RevelationDirect-20240603032300-RevelationDirect-20240526213600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevelationDirect-20240603032300-RevelationDirect-20240526213600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevelationDirect-20240603032300-RevelationDirect-20240526213600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_6" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_6-20240616135500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_6-20240616135500"></span>I have sent you a note about a page you started<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_6-20240616135500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: I have sent you a note about a page you started"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aszx5000-20240616135500-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_6"></span>Hi RevelationDirect. Thank you for your work on <a href="/wiki/YMCA_Building_(San_Diego)" title="YMCA Building (San Diego)">YMCA Building (San Diego)</a>. Another editor, <a href="/wiki/User:Aszx5000" title="User:Aszx5000">Aszx5000</a>, has reviewed it as part of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol">new pages patrol</a> and left the following comment: </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1244412712"><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>Nicely constructed article - why are you not autopatrolled? thanks.</p></blockquote> <p>To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">{{Re|Aszx5000}}</code>. <small>(Message delivered via the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Help" title="Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help">Page Curation</a> tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)</small> </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Aszx5000" title="User:Aszx5000">Aszx5000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aszx5000" title="User talk:Aszx5000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Aszx5000-20240616135500-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aszx5000-20240616135500-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_6"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aszx5000-20240616135500-I_have_sent_you_a_note_about_a_page_you_started_6"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevelationDirect-20240616145500-Aszx5000-20240616135500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Aszx5000" title="User:Aszx5000">Aszx5000</a>:</span> I don't mind the scrutiny but would that save other editors time? If so, how do I apply to become autopatrolled? - <a href="/wiki/User:RevelationDirect" title="User:RevelationDirect">RevelationDirect</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-RevelationDirect-20240616145500-Aszx5000-20240616135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevelationDirect-20240616145500-Aszx5000-20240616135500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevelationDirect-20240616145500-Aszx5000-20240616135500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aszx5000-20240616152700-RevelationDirect-20240616145500"></span>For editors who are definitely at the standard - and the articles you are creating at at that standard - it is far more efficient that they are autopatrolled, which you can ask for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Autopatrolled" title="Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled">here</a> (you will see I pointed User:Pdebee there yesterday for the same reasons).</dd> <dd>Also, you should think about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYKNOM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYKNOM">WP:DYKNOM</a> which is a very nice way of further validating new articles (you get 7 days to put your new article to DYK), which is another good validation of your editing :) best regards <a href="/wiki/User:Aszx5000" title="User:Aszx5000">Aszx5000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aszx5000" title="User talk:Aszx5000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Aszx5000-20240616152700-RevelationDirect-20240616145500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aszx5000-20240616152700-RevelationDirect-20240616145500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aszx5000-20240616152700-RevelationDirect-20240616145500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Autopatrolled_granted" data-mw-thread-id="h-Autopatrolled_granted-20240620132400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Autopatrolled_granted-20240620132400"></span>Autopatrolled granted<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Autopatrolled_granted-20240620132400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Autopatrolled granted"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elli-20240620132400-Autopatrolled_granted"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia_Autopatrolled.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Wikipedia_Autopatrolled.svg/80px-Wikipedia_Autopatrolled.svg.png" decoding="async" width="80" height="80" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Wikipedia_Autopatrolled.svg/120px-Wikipedia_Autopatrolled.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Wikipedia_Autopatrolled.svg/160px-Wikipedia_Autopatrolled.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Hi RevelationDirect, I just wanted to let you know that I have <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&page=User%3ARevelationDirect">added</a></span> the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Autopatrolled" title="Wikipedia:Autopatrolled">autopatrolled user right</a> to your account. This means that pages you create will automatically be marked as 'reviewed', and no longer appear in the <a href="/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed" title="Special:NewPagesFeed">new pages feed</a>. Autopatrolled is assigned to prolific creators of articles, where those articles do not require further review, and may have been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Autopatrolled" title="Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled">requested</a> on your behalf by someone else. It doesn't affect how you edit; it is used only to manage the workload of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol">new page patrollers</a>. </p><p>Since the articles you create will no longer be systematically reviewed by other editors, it is important that you maintain the high standard you have achieved so far in all your future creations. Please also try to remember to add relevant <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject">WikiProject</a> templates, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub" title="Wikipedia:Stub">stub tags</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization" title="Wikipedia:Categorization">categories</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Orphan" title="Wikipedia:Orphan">incoming links</a> to them, if you aren't already in the habit; user scripts such as <a href="/wiki/User:Evad37/rater" title="User:Evad37/rater">Rater</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:SD0001/StubSorter" title="User:SD0001/StubSorter">StubSorter</a> can help with this. As you have already shown that you have a strong grasp of Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Core_content_policies" title="Wikipedia:Core content policies">core content policies</a>, you might also consider volunteering to become a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol">new page patroller</a> yourself, helping to uphold the project's standards and encourage other good faith article writers. </p><p>Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:Elli" title="User:Elli">Elli</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elli" title="User talk:Elli">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Elli" title="Special:Contributions/Elli">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Elli-20240620132400-Autopatrolled_granted" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elli-20240620132400-Autopatrolled_granted"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elli-20240620132400-Autopatrolled_granted"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_for_YMCA_Building_(San_Diego)" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_for_YMCA_Building_(San_Diego)-20240714000300"><span id="DYK_for_YMCA_Building_.28San_Diego.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_for_YMCA_Building_(San_Diego)-20240714000300"></span>DYK for YMCA Building (San Diego)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_for_YMCA_Building_(San_Diego)-20240714000300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: DYK for YMCA Building (San Diego)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Clovermoss-20240714000300-DYK_for_YMCA_Building_(San_Diego)"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256334245">.mw-parser-output .ivmbox{margin-bottom:1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,#fdf2d5);padding:0.5em;display:flex;align-items:center}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-image{padding-left:1px;padding-right:0.5em;max-width:100px;flex:1 0 25px}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text{padding:0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:first-child{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:last-child{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="flex-basis: 40px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Updated_DYK_query.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/40px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="81" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/60px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/80px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="35" data-file-height="71"/></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>On <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2024/July#14_July_2024" title="Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/July">14 July 2024</a>, <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know" title="Template:Did you know">Did you know</a></b> was updated with a fact from the article <i><b><a href="/wiki/YMCA_Building_(San_Diego)" title="YMCA Building (San Diego)">YMCA Building (San Diego)</a></b></i>, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was <i>... that the <b><a href="/wiki/YMCA_Building_(San_Diego)" title="YMCA Building (San Diego)">San Diego YMCA</a></b> estimates that it has served more than 125 million military personnel?</i> The nomination discussion and review may be seen at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/YMCA_Building_(San_Diego)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/YMCA Building (San Diego)">Template:Did you know nominations/YMCA Building (San Diego)</a>. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Rjanag/Pageview_stats" title="User:Rjanag/Pageview stats">here's how</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?start=2024-07-04&end=2024-07-24&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=YMCA_Building_(San_Diego)">YMCA Building (San Diego)</a>)</small>, and the hook may be added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Statistics/Monthly_DYK_pageview_leaders" title="Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders">the statistics page</a> after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know" title="Template talk:Did you know">Did you know talk page</a>. </p> </div> </div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Clovermoss" title="User:Clovermoss"><span style="color:darkorchid">Clovermoss</span><span style="color:green">🍀</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Clovermoss" title="User talk:Clovermoss">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Clovermoss-20240714000300-DYK_for_YMCA_Building_(San_Diego)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Clovermoss-20240714000300-DYK_for_YMCA_Building_(San_Diego)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Clovermoss-20240714000300-DYK_for_YMCA_Building_(San_Diego)"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_2_§_Families_by_person" data-mw-thread-id="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_2_§_Famil-20240802110200"><span id="CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion.2FLog.2F2024_August_2_.C2.A7_Families_by_person"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_2_§_Famil-20240802110200"></span>CfD nomination at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_2#Families_by_person" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 2">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 2 § Families by person</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_2_§_Famil-20240802110200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 2 § Families by person"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mclay1-20240802110200-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_2_§_Famil"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span></div><p>A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization" title="Wikipedia:Categorization">categorization</a> guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_2#Families_by_person" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 2">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 2 § Families by person</a></b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">categories for discussion</a> page. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Mclay1" title="User:Mclay1">MClay1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mclay1" title="User talk:Mclay1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Mclay1-20240802110200-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_2_§_Famil" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:02, 2 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mclay1-20240802110200-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_2_§_Famil"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mclay1-20240802110200-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_2_§_Famil"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="September_2024_at_Women_in_Red" data-mw-thread-id="h-September_2024_at_Women_in_Red-20240826190300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-September_2024_at_Women_in_Red-20240826190300"></span>September 2024 at Women in Red<span data-mw-comment-end="h-September_2024_at_Women_in_Red-20240826190300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: September 2024 at Women in Red"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 5px solid #ABCDEF ; background-color: #FFFFFF;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosiestep-20240826190300-September_2024_at_Women_in_Red"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WiR_women_writers_2023_logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/WiR_women_writers_2023_logo.svg/100px-WiR_women_writers_2023_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="99" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/WiR_women_writers_2023_logo.svg/150px-WiR_women_writers_2023_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/WiR_women_writers_2023_logo.svg/200px-WiR_women_writers_2023_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="740" data-file-height="730"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><b><big><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red">Women in Red</a></big></b> <big>|</big> <small>September 2024, Volume 10, Issue 9, Numbers 293, 294, 311, 316, 317</small> <p><br/> </p><p><b>Online events:</b> </p> <ul><li><i>New</i>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/316" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/316">Women writers & their works</a> <big>|</big> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/317" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/317">Geofocus: Islands A - H </a></li></ul> <ul><li><i>Continuing</i>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/293" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/293">#1day1woman</a> <big>|</big> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/294" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/294">Education</a> <small>(year-long initiative)</small> <big>|</big> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/311" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/311">Translation contest 2024</a> <small>(Jul, Aug, Sep)</small></li></ul> <p><b>Announcements from other communities</b> </p> <ul><li><i>August 30 is the tenth anniversary of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WPWW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WPWW">WikiProject Women writers</a>!</i></li></ul> <p><b>Tip of the month:</b> </p> <ul><li><i>Try her <a href="/wiki/Pen_name" title="Pen name">pen name</a> when searching for sources, and remember to add her to any of these that apply:<br/><small><a href="/wiki/List_of_pen_names" title="List of pen names">List of pen names</a></small>, <small><a href="/wiki/List_of_literary_initials" title="List of literary initials">List of literary initials</a></small>, and <small><a href="/wiki/Category:Pseudonymous_women_writers" title="Category:Pseudonymous women writers">Category:Pseudonymous women writers</a></small>.</i></li></ul> <p><b>Other ways to participate:</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/New_members" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/New members">Become a member</a>. You can always <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Outreach/List" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/List">opt-out of notifications</a>.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red">Join the conversations on our talkpage</a>.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Ideas" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Ideas">Help us plan future events</a> and add any general ideas on developing the project.</li> <li>Follow us on social media:</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Instagram.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Instagram.svg/15px-Instagram.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Instagram.svg/23px-Instagram.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Instagram.svg/30px-Instagram.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></a></span> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://instagram.com/wikiwomeninred">Instagram</a> <b>|</b> <span typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg/15px-Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg/23px-Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg/30px-Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.pinterest.com/wikiwomeninred/boards/">Pinterest</a> <b>|</b> <span typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Twitter_icon.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Twitter_icon.png/15px-Twitter_icon.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Twitter_icon.png/23px-Twitter_icon.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Twitter_icon.png/30px-Twitter_icon.png 2x" data-file-width="436" data-file-height="436"/></a></span> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://twitter.com/WikiWomenInRed">Twitter/X</a> </p> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosiestep" title="User talk:Rosiestep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Rosiestep-20240826190300-September_2024_at_Women_in_Red" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a> via MassMessaging<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosiestep-20240826190300-September_2024_at_Women_in_Red"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosiestep-20240826190300-September_2024_at_Women_in_Red"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Women_in_Red_October_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Women_in_Red_October_2024-20240929080700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Women_in_Red_October_2024-20240929080700"></span>Women in Red October 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Women_in_Red_October_2024-20240929080700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Women in Red October 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 5px solid #ABCDEF ; background-color: #FFFFFF;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lajmmoore-20240929080700-Women_in_Red_October_2024"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Ada_Lovelace_Day_2021_robot_with_badge.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Ada_Lovelace_Day_2021_robot_with_badge.png/100px-Ada_Lovelace_Day_2021_robot_with_badge.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="154" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Ada_Lovelace_Day_2021_robot_with_badge.png/150px-Ada_Lovelace_Day_2021_robot_with_badge.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Ada_Lovelace_Day_2021_robot_with_badge.png/200px-Ada_Lovelace_Day_2021_robot_with_badge.png 2x" data-file-width="379" data-file-height="583"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><b><big><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red">Women in Red</a></big></b> <big>|</big> <small>October 2024, Volume 10, Issue 10, Numbers 293, 294, 318, 319, 320</small> <p><br/> </p><p><b>Online events:</b> </p> <ul><li><i>New</i>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/318" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/318">Women in STEM</a> <big>|</big> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/319" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/319">Geofocus: Islands I-P</a> <big>|</big> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/320" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/320">Women in archaeology</a></li></ul> <ul><li><i>Continuing</i>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/293" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/293">#1day1woman</a> <big>|</big> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/294" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/294">Education</a> <small>(year-long initiative)</small></li></ul> <p><b>Announcements from other communities</b> </p> <ul><li>October is Women in Green's "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Green/Meetup/7" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Green/Meetup/7">Around the World in 31 Days</a>" Good Article Edit-a-thon</li></ul> <p><b>Tip of the month:</b> </p> <ul><li><i>Unsure how to expand a stub article? Take a look at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub#Creating_and_improving_a_stub_article" title="Wikipedia:Stub">this guidance</a></i></li></ul> <p><b>Other ways to participate:</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/New_members" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/New members">Become a member</a>. You can always <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Outreach/List" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/List">opt-out of notifications</a>.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red">Join the conversations on our talkpage</a>.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Ideas" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Ideas">Help us plan future events</a> and add any general ideas on developing the project.</li> <li>Follow us on social media:</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Instagram.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Instagram.svg/15px-Instagram.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Instagram.svg/23px-Instagram.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Instagram.svg/30px-Instagram.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></a></span> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://instagram.com/wikiwomeninred">Instagram</a> <b>|</b> <span typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg/15px-Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg/23px-Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg/30px-Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.pinterest.com/wikiwomeninred/boards/">Pinterest</a> <b>|</b> <span typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Twitter_icon.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Twitter_icon.png/15px-Twitter_icon.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Twitter_icon.png/23px-Twitter_icon.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Twitter_icon.png/30px-Twitter_icon.png 2x" data-file-width="436" data-file-height="436"/></a></span> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://twitter.com/WikiWomenInRed">Twitter/X</a> </p> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Lajmmoore" title="User:Lajmmoore">Lajmmoore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lajmmoore" title="User talk:Lajmmoore">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Lajmmoore-20240929080700-Women_in_Red_October_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a> via MassMessaging<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lajmmoore-20240929080700-Women_in_Red_October_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lajmmoore-20240929080700-Women_in_Red_October_2024"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Women_in_Red_November_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Women_in_Red_November_2024-20241029204300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Women_in_Red_November_2024-20241029204300"></span>Women in Red November 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Women_in_Red_November_2024-20241029204300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Women in Red November 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 5px solid #ABCDEF ; 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These Wikiproject clean-up lists offer a start <br/>to November's backlog drive, e.g. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Women%27s_History.html#Cites%20no%20sources">Women's History</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Women_writers2.html#Cites%20no%20sources">Women writers</a></li></ul> <p><b>Tip of the month:</b> </p> <ul><li><i>Looking for an image? Sometimes you can find openly licensed images at <br/><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://search.creativecommons.org/">search.creativecommons.org/</a></i></li></ul> <p><b>Other ways to participate:</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/New_members" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/New members">Become a member</a>. You can always <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Outreach/List" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/List">opt-out of notifications</a>.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red">Join the conversations on our talkpage</a>.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Ideas" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Ideas">Help us plan future events</a> and add any general ideas on developing the project.</li> <li>Follow us on social media:</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Instagram.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Instagram.svg/15px-Instagram.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Instagram.svg/23px-Instagram.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Instagram.svg/30px-Instagram.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></a></span> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://instagram.com/wikiwomeninred">Instagram</a> <b>|</b> <span typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg/15px-Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg/23px-Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg/30px-Pinterest_Shiny_Icon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.pinterest.com/wikiwomeninred/boards/">Pinterest</a> <b>|</b> <span typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Twitter_icon.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Twitter_icon.png/15px-Twitter_icon.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Twitter_icon.png/23px-Twitter_icon.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Twitter_icon.png/30px-Twitter_icon.png 2x" data-file-width="436" data-file-height="436"/></a></span> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://twitter.com/WikiWomenInRed">Twitter/X</a> </p> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Lajmmoore" title="User:Lajmmoore">Lajmmoore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lajmmoore" title="User talk:Lajmmoore">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Lajmmoore-20241029204300-Women_in_Red_November_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a> via MassMessaging<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lajmmoore-20241029204300-Women_in_Red_November_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lajmmoore-20241029204300-Women_in_Red_November_2024"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sugar_industry" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sugar_industry-20241102075500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sugar_industry-20241102075500"></span>Sugar industry<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sugar_industry-20241102075500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Sugar industry"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paul_012-20241102075500-Sugar_industry"></span>Is there any reason in particular why most sugar industry categories are at <i>Sugar industry of Foo</i> rather than <i>Sugar industry in Foo</i>? The latter would be more consistent with most other industry categories, e.g. those under <a href="/wiki/Category:Automotive_industry_by_country" title="Category:Automotive industry by country">Category:Automotive industry by country</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Petroleum_industry_by_country" title="Category:Petroleum industry by country">Category:Petroleum industry by country</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Paul_012" title="User:Paul 012">Paul_012</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paul_012" title="User talk:Paul 012">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-Paul_012-20241102075500-Sugar_industry" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paul_012-20241102075500-Sugar_industry"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paul_012-20241102075500-Sugar_industry"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevelationDirect-20241102164100-Paul_012-20241102075500"></span>Sure, while not all of the categories have a main article, without exception the ones that do use "of" including <a href="/wiki/Sugar_industry_of_India" title="Sugar industry of India">Sugar industry of India</a>, <a href="/wiki/Sugar_industry_of_the_United_States" title="Sugar industry of the United States">Sugar industry of the United States</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Sugar_industry_of_Cuba" title="Sugar industry of Cuba">Sugar industry of Cuba</a>. If those main articles were renamed in an RM, I'd of course favor speedy renaming all the corresponding categories per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:C2D" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:C2D">WP:C2D</a>. (Substantively, I have no preference for "of" versus "in" though.) - <a href="/wiki/User:RevelationDirect" title="User:RevelationDirect">RevelationDirect</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-RevelationDirect-20241102164100-Paul_012-20241102075500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevelationDirect-20241102164100-Paul_012-20241102075500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevelationDirect-20241102164100-Paul_012-20241102075500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_cup_of_tea_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_cup_of_tea_for_you!-20241105224400"><span id="A_cup_of_tea_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_cup_of_tea_for_you!-20241105224400"></span>A cup of tea for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_cup_of_tea_for_you!-20241105224400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: A cup of tea for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XRozuRozu-20241105224400-A_cup_of_tea_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg/120px-Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="90" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg/180px-Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg/240px-Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1500"/></a></span> </td> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">thank you for your contributions!! :) <a href="/wiki/User:XRozuRozu" title="User:XRozuRozu">xRozuRozu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XRozuRozu" title="User talk:XRozuRozu">t</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/XRozuRozu" title="Special:Contributions/XRozuRozu">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect#c-XRozuRozu-20241105224400-A_cup_of_tea_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XRozuRozu-20241105224400-A_cup_of_tea_for_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XRozuRozu-20241105224400-A_cup_of_tea_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_7_§_Category:Buildings_and_structures_by_decade_of_destruction" data-mw-thread-id="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_7_§_Cat-20241107173800"><span id="CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion.2FLog.2F2024_November_7_.C2.A7_Category:Buildings_and_structures_by_decade_of_destruction"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_7_§_Cat-20241107173800"></span>CfD nomination at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_7#Category:Buildings_and_structures_by_decade_of_destruction" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 7">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 7 § Category:Buildings and structures by decade of destruction</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_7_§_Cat-20241107173800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RevelationDirect&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 7 § Category:Buildings and structures by decade of destruction"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HouseBlaster-20241107173800-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_7_§_Cat"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span></div><p>A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization" title="Wikipedia:Categorization">categorization</a> guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_7#Category:Buildings_and_structures_by_decade_of_destruction" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 7">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 7 § Category:Buildings and structures by decade of destruction</a></b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">categories for discussion</a> page. 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