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Please participate by editing the article, and help us <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Religion/Assessment" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion/Assessment">assess and improve</a> articles to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:What_is_a_good_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:What is a good article">good</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team" title="Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team">1.0</a> standards, or visit the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Religion" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion">wikiproject page</a> for more details.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Religion</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Religion</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Religion articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-mid"><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Religion_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Religion articles">Mid</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>Mid-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Religion/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <p>.. </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Old_NPOV_discussions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Old_NPOV_discussions-2007-01-30T03:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Old_NPOV_discussions-2007-01-30T03:26:00.000Z"></span>Old NPOV discussions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Old_NPOV_discussions-2007-01-30T03:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Sikhism&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Old NPOV discussions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zazaban-2007-01-30T03:26:00.000Z-Old_NPOV_discussions"></span>"Those of Rustems family" is not a neutral way to refer to hindus. This whole article seems to be written from a sikh POV. <a href="/wiki/User:Zazaban" title="User:Zazaban">Zazaban</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-Zazaban-2007-01-30T03:26:00.000Z-Old_NPOV_discussions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zazaban-2007-01-30T03:26:00.000Z-Old_NPOV_discussions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zazaban-2007-01-30T03:26:00.000Z-Old_NPOV_discussions"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jsu-2007-06-07T11:57:00.000Z-Old_NPOV_discussions"></span>Well it wasn't just Hindus who Kabir was revered by, I can change this to Hindus, Muslims and other faiths if there is a concensus for it. You are quoting as if the word Hindu is not mentioned and "those of different faiths" is used to describe any non-Sikhs mentioned in the article, that is not the case. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jsu&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jsu (page does not exist)">Jsu</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-Jsu-2007-06-07T11:57:00.000Z-Old_NPOV_discussions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jsu-2007-06-07T11:57:00.000Z-Old_NPOV_discussions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jsu-2007-06-07T11:57:00.000Z-Old_NPOV_discussions"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ajjay-2007-12-29T15:55:00.000Z-Old_NPOV_discussions"></span>Well you can write as "people in general" or "commonly worshipped by people of all religions"<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ajjay&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ajjay (page does not exist)">Ajjay</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ajjay&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Ajjay (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-Ajjay-2007-12-29T15:55:00.000Z-Old_NPOV_discussions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 29 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ajjay-2007-12-29T15:55:00.000Z-Old_NPOV_discussions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ajjay-2007-12-29T15:55:00.000Z-Old_NPOV_discussions"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-90.196.3.244-2008-03-31T17:49:00.000Z-Old_NPOV_discussions"></span>Well no Christians were around in medieval India so that would be false and Muslims only consider Mohammad as their final Prophet, so to be correct I used Sufis as some but NOT all Sufis recognise Kabir as a Saint. </p><p>The article is as usual pretty anti-Hindu, .mI will ask some senior administrator of Wikipedia to look deeper into some biased 'contributors' Thanks, D.Green <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/90.196.3.244" title="Special:Contributions/90.196.3.244">90.196.3.244</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:90.196.3.244" title="User talk:90.196.3.244">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-90.196.3.244-2008-03-31T17:49:00.000Z-Old_NPOV_discussions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-90.196.3.244-2008-03-31T17:49:00.000Z-Old_NPOV_discussions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-90.196.3.244-2008-03-31T17:49:00.000Z-Old_NPOV_discussions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ynully-20230818114900-90.196.3.244-2008-03-31T17:49:00.000Z"></span>are u still alive <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ynully&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ynully (page does not exist)">Ynully</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ynully&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Ynully (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-Ynully-20230818114900-90.196.3.244-2008-03-31T17:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:49, 18 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ynully-20230818114900-90.196.3.244-2008-03-31T17:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ynully-20230818114900-90.196.3.244-2008-03-31T17:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Content" data-mw-thread-id="h-Content-2008-05-06T20:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Content-2008-05-06T20:45:00.000Z"></span>Content<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Content-2008-05-06T20:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Sikhism&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Content"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-213.106.174.131-2008-05-06T20:45:00.000Z-Content"></span>This entire page needs to be revised due to the lack of Guru Ram Dass, and comments on the page which say "Where is Guru Ram Dass" <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/213.106.174.131" title="Special:Contributions/213.106.174.131">213.106.174.131</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:213.106.174.131" title="User talk:213.106.174.131">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-213.106.174.131-2008-05-06T20:45:00.000Z-Content" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 6 May 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-213.106.174.131-2008-05-06T20:45:00.000Z-Content"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-213.106.174.131-2008-05-06T20:45:00.000Z-Content"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Indiantrumpet-2008-09-03T21:20:00.000Z-Content"></span>As well as this, there is writing which lacks any citation and is written very informally, as if from the hand of a child. </p><p>This article lacks the history of Sikhism post the creation of Khalsa. There is no mention of the Akali Dal movement, British Empire Rule over Punjab and its effects on the Sikh history, or any mention up to the present day. This article does not embody the entire history of Sikhism.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Indiantrumpet&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Indiantrumpet (page does not exist)">Singh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Indiantrumpet" title="User talk:Indiantrumpet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-Indiantrumpet-2008-09-03T21:20:00.000Z-Content" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)</a>indiantrumpet<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Indiantrumpet-2008-09-03T21:20:00.000Z-Content"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Indiantrumpet-2008-09-03T21:20:00.000Z-Content"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ynully-20230818115000-Indiantrumpet-2008-09-03T21:20:00.000Z"></span>r u still alive lol <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ynully&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ynully (page does not exist)">Ynully</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ynully&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Ynully (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-Ynully-20230818115000-Indiantrumpet-2008-09-03T21:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:50, 18 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ynully-20230818115000-Indiantrumpet-2008-09-03T21:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ynully-20230818115000-Indiantrumpet-2008-09-03T21:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p><p><br/> The following sentence ends bizarrely, as if to imply that there is some form of Hindu Islam: "During the Mughal rule of India (1556–1707), Sikhism was in conflict with the Mughal empire laws, while it cherished saints from Hinduism Islam". I am no expert, but after a quick search on the web I think I can safely conclude that this must be a typo. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="File:Guru_Har_Rai.jpg_Nominated_for_Deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:Guru_Har_Rai.jpg_Nominated_for_Deletion-2011-11-21T11:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:Guru_Har_Rai.jpg_Nominated_for_Deletion-2011-11-21T11:48:00.000Z"></span>File:Guru Har Rai.jpg Nominated for Deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:Guru_Har_Rai.jpg_Nominated_for_Deletion-2011-11-21T11:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Sikhism&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: File:Guru Har Rai.jpg Nominated for Deletion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table> <tbody><tr> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommonsNotificationBot-2011-11-21T11:48:00.000Z-File:Guru_Har_Rai.jpg_Nominated_for_Deletion"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Image-x-generic.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Image-x-generic.svg/100px-Image-x-generic.svg.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="100" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Image-x-generic.svg/150px-Image-x-generic.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Image-x-generic.svg/200px-Image-x-generic.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span> </td> <td>An image used in this article, <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Guru_Har_Rai.jpg" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Guru Har Rai.jpg">File:Guru Har Rai.jpg</a>, has been nominated for deletion at <a href="/wiki/Wikimedia_Commons" title="Wikimedia Commons">Wikimedia Commons</a> in the following category: <i>Deletion requests November 2011</i> <dl><dt>What should I do?</dt></dl> <p><i>Don't panic</i>; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. 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How did Sikhism grow from the following of one man to a numerous enough religion to form the basis of an empire? When did this happen? Was it an ongoing process, or is it particularly associated with a specific period? What were the reasons for this growth? This article seriously needs to be fleshed out with some solid historical material before it matches its title. <a href="/wiki/User:Jamrifis" title="User:Jamrifis">Jamrifis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jamrifis" title="User talk:Jamrifis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-Jamrifis-2012-04-16T13:49:00.000Z-This_isn't_a_history_of_Sikhism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:49, 16 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jamrifis-2012-04-16T13:49:00.000Z-This_isn't_a_history_of_Sikhism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jamrifis-2012-04-16T13:49:00.000Z-This_isn't_a_history_of_Sikhism"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="External_links_modified" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified-2016-02-18T07:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links_modified-2016-02-18T07:50:00.000Z"></span>External links modified<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links_modified-2016-02-18T07:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Sikhism&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: External links modified"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cyberbot_II-2016-02-18T07:50:00.000Z-External_links_modified"></span>Hello fellow Wikipedians, </p><p>I have just added archive links to one external link on <a href="/wiki/History_of_Sikhism" title="History of Sikhism">History of Sikhism</a>. 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Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>The term sikhism was coined by first guru, Guru Nanak Dev Ji. It is evident in the holy scripture of sikhism, Guru Granth Sahib. The term khalsa was coined by the tenth guru, Guru Gobind Singh ji. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2401:4900:40F0:B19B:0:56:8015:9F01" title="Special:Contributions/2401:4900:40F0:B19B:0:56:8015:9F01">2401:4900:40F0:B19B:0:56:8015:9F01</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2401:4900:40F0:B19B:0:56:8015:9F01&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2401:4900:40F0:B19B:0:56:8015:9F01 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-2401:4900:40F0:B19B:0:56:8015:9F01-2021-02-20T09:58:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_20_February_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:58, 20 February 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2401:4900:40F0:B19B:0:56:8015:9F01-2021-02-20T09:58:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_20_February_2021"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" 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Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>The following section should be removed. I does not have any source material cited and seems to be based on an opinion only. </p><p>"Hindu absorbtion Hinduism is not a religion. It is a cult that expands through merciless assimilation. Under threat from Buddhism, the Hindus branded the Buddha as an avatar of Vishnu to check the spread of Buddhism. When Islam threatened to wipe out the Hindu existence, they started saying that Muhammad was a Vishnu avatar. To fight Christianity, they claimed that Christ (Krist) and Krishna (Christna) are one and the same. </p><p>To stop the spread of Sikhism, they started classifying it as a sect of Hinduism. They claim that he Gurus were Vishnu and Shiva worshippers to continue to colonise the Sikh homeland of the Punjab. 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Sikhism&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Titles of Eras"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joiedevivre123321-2021-05-12T20:18:00.000Z-Titles_of_Eras"></span>Does anyone have background on the titles of the eras? In particular, why "Golden Age" for (1849–1919 CE) and "Dark Ages" for (1978-Present CE). Do we feel those are the most accurate descriptions for these time periods? Are these terms being used in either academic literature or are they commonly known and referred to as such? Are there better more neutral descriptions for these time periods? --<a href="/wiki/User:Joiedevivre123321" title="User:Joiedevivre123321">Joiedevivre123321</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joiedevivre123321" title="User talk:Joiedevivre123321">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-Joiedevivre123321-2021-05-12T20:18:00.000Z-Titles_of_Eras" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 12 May 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joiedevivre123321-2021-05-12T20:18:00.000Z-Titles_of_Eras"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joiedevivre123321-2021-05-12T20:18:00.000Z-Titles_of_Eras"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mporter-2022-05-04T00:31:00.000Z-Joiedevivre123321-2021-05-12T20:18:00.000Z"></span>They seem to have been added in mid-December 2020 along with a lot of other "POV" material that has now been deleted (e.g. "There are barely any true Khalsa Sikhs who fight for Justice in the world except the Sikhs in Canada, United Kingdom and United States of America", <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Sikhism&diff=994174165&oldid=994166720">14 December 2020</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Mporter" title="User:Mporter">Mporter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mporter" title="User talk:Mporter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-Mporter-2022-05-04T00:31:00.000Z-Joiedevivre123321-2021-05-12T20:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:31, 4 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mporter-2022-05-04T00:31:00.000Z-Joiedevivre123321-2021-05-12T20:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mporter-2022-05-04T00:31:00.000Z-Joiedevivre123321-2021-05-12T20:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_May_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_May_2021-2021-05-13T00:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_May_2021-2021-05-13T00:27:00.000Z"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2021<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_May_2021-2021-05-13T00:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Sikhism&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2021"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-73.226.148.234-2021-05-13T00:27:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_May_2021"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Fix section title names. Golden Age and Post Golden Age are incorrect and insensitive section titles. Replace it with Post Empire Years and Post British Raj Years. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/73.226.148.234" title="Special:Contributions/73.226.148.234">73.226.148.234</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:73.226.148.234&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:73.226.148.234 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-73.226.148.234-2021-05-13T00:27:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_May_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:27, 13 May 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-73.226.148.234-2021-05-13T00:27:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_May_2021"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-73.226.148.234-2021-05-13T00:27:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_May_2021"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eggishorn-2021-05-13T02:31:00.000Z-73.226.148.234-2021-05-13T00:27:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/30px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62"/></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> please provide <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable sources</a> that support the change you want to be made. <a href="/wiki/User:Eggishorn" title="User:Eggishorn"><span style="background-color:#FF7400; color:#FFFFFF;">Eggishorn</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eggishorn" title="User talk:Eggishorn">(talk)</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eggishorn" title="Special:Contributions/Eggishorn">(contrib)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-Eggishorn-2021-05-13T02:31:00.000Z-73.226.148.234-2021-05-13T00:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 13 May 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eggishorn-2021-05-13T02:31:00.000Z-73.226.148.234-2021-05-13T00:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eggishorn-2021-05-13T02:31:00.000Z-73.226.148.234-2021-05-13T00:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_May_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_May_2021-2021-05-16T03:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_May_2021-2021-05-16T03:17:00.000Z"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2021<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_May_2021-2021-05-16T03:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Sikhism&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2021"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2600:1700:2F20:5D00:CCEE:69D4:7780:C171-2021-05-16T03:17:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_May_2021"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>I would like to request to edit the article due to there being a discrepancy amongst some parts of it. Mostly regarding the information within the article that has to edited properly. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:1700:2F20:5D00:CCEE:69D4:7780:C171" title="Special:Contributions/2600:1700:2F20:5D00:CCEE:69D4:7780:C171">2600:1700:2F20:5D00:CCEE:69D4:7780:C171</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2600:1700:2F20:5D00:CCEE:69D4:7780:C171&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2600:1700:2F20:5D00:CCEE:69D4:7780:C171 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-2600:1700:2F20:5D00:CCEE:69D4:7780:C171-2021-05-16T03:17:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_May_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:17, 16 May 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2600:1700:2F20:5D00:CCEE:69D4:7780:C171-2021-05-16T03:17:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_May_2021"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2600:1700:2F20:5D00:CCEE:69D4:7780:C171-2021-05-16T03:17:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_May_2021"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eggishorn-2021-05-16T03:29:00.000Z-2600:1700:2F20:5D00:CCEE:69D4:7780:C171-2021-05-16T03:17:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/30px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62"/></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> this is not the right page to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions" title="Wikipedia:Requests for permissions">request</a> additional <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:User_access_levels" title="Wikipedia:User access levels">user rights</a>. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_create_an_account%3F" title="Wikipedia:Why create an account?">an account</a>, you can wait until you are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:User_access_levels#Autoconfirmed_and_confirmed_users" title="Wikipedia:User access levels">autoconfirmed</a> and edit the page yourself. <a href="/wiki/User:Eggishorn" title="User:Eggishorn"><span style="background-color:#FF7400; color:#FFFFFF;">Eggishorn</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eggishorn" title="User talk:Eggishorn">(talk)</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eggishorn" title="Special:Contributions/Eggishorn">(contrib)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-Eggishorn-2021-05-16T03:29:00.000Z-2600:1700:2F20:5D00:CCEE:69D4:7780:C171-2021-05-16T03:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eggishorn-2021-05-16T03:29:00.000Z-2600:1700:2F20:5D00:CCEE:69D4:7780:C171-2021-05-16T03:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eggishorn-2021-05-16T03:29:00.000Z-2600:1700:2F20:5D00:CCEE:69D4:7780:C171-2021-05-16T03:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Multiple_unexplained_names/titles_for_Guru_Amar_Das" data-mw-thread-id="h-Multiple_unexplained_names/titles_for_Guru_Amar_Das-20220820113900"><span id="Multiple_unexplained_names.2Ftitles_for_Guru_Amar_Das"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Multiple_unexplained_names/titles_for_Guru_Amar_Das-20220820113900"></span>Multiple unexplained names/titles for Guru Amar Das<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Multiple_unexplained_names/titles_for_Guru_Amar_Das-20220820113900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Sikhism&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Multiple unexplained names/titles for Guru Amar Das"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2001:1C04:4003:8900:25BA:CC52:B236:43C5-20220820113900-Multiple_unexplained_names/titles_for_Guru_Amar_Das"></span>In the "Guru Amar Das" section, paragraph 2, the narrative suddenly shifts, like this: </p><p><small>"It is recorded that before becoming a Sikh, Bhai Amar Das, as he was known at the time, was a very religious Vaishanavite Hindu who spent most of his life performing all of the ritual pilgrimages and fasts of a devout Hindu. One day, Bhai Amar Das heard some hymns of Guru Nanak being sung by <a href="/w/index.php?title=Bibi_Amro&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Bibi Amro (page does not exist)">Bibi Amro</a> Ji, the daughter of <a href="/wiki/Guru_Angad" title="Guru Angad">Guru Angad</a>, the second <a href="/wiki/Sikh_Guru" class="mw-redirect" title="Sikh Guru">Sikh Guru</a>. Bibi Amro was married to Bhai Sahib's brother, Bhai Manak Chand's son who was called Bhai Jasso. Bhai Sahib was so impressed and moved by these <a href="/wiki/Shabda" title="Shabda">Shabads</a> that he immediately decided to go to see <a href="/wiki/Guru_Angad" title="Guru Angad">Guru Angad</a> at <a href="/wiki/Khadur_Sahib" title="Khadur Sahib">Khadur Sahib</a>. It is recorded that this event took place when Bhai Sahib was 61 years old."</small> </p><p>Wait, wait... we were reading about "Bhai Amar Das", and now the subject has changed without any transition to "Bhai Sahib". I'm unfamiliar with the words "Bhai" and "Sahib", so I go look up their definitions elsewhere. I learn they are both honorifics, not personal names, so "Bhai Sahib" can be understood as an epithet for "Bhai Amar Das". This is a lot of work for even native speakers of English that are unfamiliar with Indian English. </p><p><br/> 3 paragraphs later, we read: </p><p><small>"However, as a result of Bhai Sahib's commitment to Sikhi principles, dedicated service, and devotion to the Sikh cause, Guru Angad Sahib appointed Guru Amar Das Sahib as third Nanak in March 1552 at the age of 73."</small> </p><p>Still a bit confusing, but now that I know "Bhai Sahib" refers to "Amar Das", I can connect the dots by context. I think a similar sentence could be useful in the very first paragraph of this section, except replace "Bhai Sahib" with "Amar Das". </p><p><br/> Compare the preceding with the previous section "Guru Angad Dev", paragraph 1: </p><p><small>"In 1538, Guru Nanak chose <a href="/wiki/Lehna" class="mw-redirect" title="Lehna">Lehna</a>, his disciple, as a successor to the Guruship rather than one of his sons. Bhai Lehna was named Guru Angad and became the successor of Guru Nanak."</small> </p><p>Ah, that's very clear! Bhai Lehna became Guru Angad. </p><p><br/> Would someone who understands the religious and cultural nuances please create a similar transition in the "Guru Amar Das" section? It currently leads to confusion unless one is already well versed in specific details of both Indian English and Sikh traditions of epithetical periphrasis. An encyclopedic entry should assume the reader has minimal background in the subject. No disrespect is intended. Thank you for your attention. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1C04:4003:8900:25BA:CC52:B236:43C5" title="Special:Contributions/2001:1C04:4003:8900:25BA:CC52:B236:43C5">2001:1C04:4003:8900:25BA:CC52:B236:43C5</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2001:1C04:4003:8900:25BA:CC52:B236:43C5&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2001:1C04:4003:8900:25BA:CC52:B236:43C5 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-2001:1C04:4003:8900:25BA:CC52:B236:43C5-20220820113900-Multiple_unexplained_names/titles_for_Guru_Amar_Das" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:39, 20 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2001:1C04:4003:8900:25BA:CC52:B236:43C5-20220820113900-Multiple_unexplained_names/titles_for_Guru_Amar_Das"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2001:1C04:4003:8900:25BA:CC52:B236:43C5-20220820113900-Multiple_unexplained_names/titles_for_Guru_Amar_Das"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MaplesyrupSushi-20230818221300-2001:1C04:4003:8900:25BA:CC52:B236:43C5-20220820113900"></span>Thank you for bringing this up, I will look into the prose of the article to ensure it is understandable to a larger audience of readers. <a href="/wiki/User:MaplesyrupSushi" title="User:MaplesyrupSushi">MaplesyrupSushi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MaplesyrupSushi" title="User talk:MaplesyrupSushi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-MaplesyrupSushi-20230818221300-2001:1C04:4003:8900:25BA:CC52:B236:43C5-20220820113900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 18 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MaplesyrupSushi-20230818221300-2001:1C04:4003:8900:25BA:CC52:B236:43C5-20220820113900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MaplesyrupSushi-20230818221300-2001:1C04:4003:8900:25BA:CC52:B236:43C5-20220820113900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Possibly_WP:TOOBIG." data-mw-thread-id="h-Possibly_WP:TOOBIG.-20240807192600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Possibly_WP:TOOBIG.-20240807192600"></span>Possibly <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TOOBIG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TOOBIG">WP:TOOBIG</a>.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Possibly_WP:TOOBIG.-20240807192600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Sikhism&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Possibly WP:TOOBIG."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StarkReport-20240807192600-Possibly_WP:TOOBIG."></span>I am considering adding the <a href="/wiki/Template:Very_long" title="Template:Very long">WP:Too Long</a> tag, but since the article's substantial nature might justify its current length, I'm curious about what others think. <a href="/wiki/User:StarkReport" title="User:StarkReport">StarkReport</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StarkReport" title="User talk:StarkReport">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Sikhism#c-StarkReport-20240807192600-Possibly_WP:TOOBIG." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StarkReport-20240807192600-Possibly_WP:TOOBIG."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StarkReport-20240807192600-Possibly_WP:TOOBIG."></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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