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data-controller='core.front.core.lightboxedImages'> <p> Buongiorno, non sapevo se scrivere in "fotovoltaico" o in "riscaldamento"... </p> <p> ho un impianto fotovoltaico da 10 KW con una batteria da 16. Il contatore del gestore 猫 da 10 KW. Vorrei installare una pompa di calore e ne ho trovata una che mi interesserebbe per prezzo e condizioni, ma 猫 da 8 KW monofase. Dai dati tecnici, l'energia richiesta nei momenti di spunto 猫 circa 2,5 KWh mentre a regime dovrebbe restare intorno a 0,7 KWh. Secondo i tecnici della ditta installatrice non ci sono problemi ad installarla nel mio impianto trifase, ma vorrei capire bene sia i pro che i contro. </p> <p> La prima domanda 猫 se i miei 10 KWh di produzione, sono da dividere in parti uguali sulle 3 fasi o se in base alla richiesta potrebbero fornire 6 KWh ad una, 3 all'altra e 1 alla terza, ovvero in modo non equilibrato. </p> <p> Se installo la pompa su una fase, L1 sulla quale ho altri servizi 猫 possibile che in alcuni momenti in cui la PDC richiede il massimo, il consumo su quella fase sia maggiore che nelle altre e potrebbe superare un terzo della mia produzione o delle mia capacit脿 di autoproduzione. Se questo accade, cosa succede? pago al gestore la corrente in eccesso che consumo solo su quella fase, mentre continuo a vendere al GSE la corrente prodotta sulle altre due fasi che in quel momento sono libere da carichi? oppure 猫 il mio impianto fotovoltaico che all'occorrenza non divide in parti uguali l'energia che sta producendo o che 猫 nelle batterie e va a fornirne di pi霉 alla fase che ne necessita abbassando la fornitura delle altre due? </p> <p> Non so se sono riuscita a spiegare i miei dubbi e chiedo scusa se ho usato qualche termine o unit脿 di misura non corretti.<br /> Se avete consigli o pareri a riguardo li accetto molto volentieri </p> <p> Grazie mille </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> 聽 </p> <span class='ipsType_reset ipsType_medium ipsType_light' data-excludequote> <strong>Modificato: <time datetime='2024-11-22T15:59:03Z' title='22/11/2024 15:59' data-short='22 nov '>22 novembre 2024</time> da sili3</strong> <br>vorrei ricevere le notifiche a fronte di eventuali risposte </span> </div> </div> </div> </div> </article> <!-- Revive bot after first post inizio --> <div align = "center"> <script type='text/javascript'><!--//<![CDATA[ var m3_u = (location.protocol=='https:'?'https://a.plcforum.it/www/delivery/ajs.php':'http://a.plcforum.it/www/delivery/ajs.php'); var m3_r = Math.floor(Math.random()*99999999999); if (!document.MAX_used) document.MAX_used = ','; document.write ("<scr"+"ipt type='text/javascript' src='"+m3_u); document.write ("?zoneid=673"); document.write ('&cb=' + m3_r); if (document.MAX_used != ',') document.write ("&exclude=" + document.MAX_used); document.write (document.charset ? 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class='ipsType_normal ipsType_richText ipsPadding_bottom ipsContained' data-controller='core.front.core.lightboxedImages'> <p> Innanzitutto bisognerebbe chiarire un aspetto che 猫 quello relativo ai dati che ti hanno fornito. </p> <p> Se ti dicono che 猫 da 8 Kw monofase, pu貌 essere benissimo e significa che la sua potenza istantanea potrebbe arrivare a 8 Kw. Penso magari non sempre. </p> <p> Invece l'energia richiesta nei momenti di spunto 猫 il dato che pi霉 mi lascia dei dubbi in quanto lo hai indicato in KwH e questa cosa non quadra. </p> <p> L'energia si misura in Kwh e la potenza si misura in Kw. </p> <p> Pu貌 essere benissimo che con un assorbimento massimo istantaneo di 8 Kw di picco per X minuti, lei arrivi a consumare 2,5 Kwh (che non sono quelli che tu indichi come corrente di spunto ma bens矛 energia consumata) che ti hanno indicato e non ci sono problemi, ma lei istantaneamente consumoa 8 Kw e quindi si ricade successivamente nei dubbi da te espressi. Ai quali io non ti so rispondere e aspetto gli esperti in quanto sono molto curioso anche io per cultura personale. </p> <p> Per貌, ripeto : un conto 猫 la potenza istantanea che si misura in Kw ed un altro 猫 l'energia consumata che si misura (e si paga) in Kwh. </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> L' "energia nei momenti di spunto" in genere 猫 la potenza istantanea che, nei momenti di spunto appunto, 猫 maggiore ed 猫 li che potrebbe arrivare agli 8 Kw istantanei del dato di targa. </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> Spero di non averti crrato ulteriori dubbi. </p> <span class='ipsType_reset ipsType_medium ipsType_light' data-excludequote> <strong>Modificato: <time datetime='2024-11-24T10:03:34Z' title='24/11/2024 10:03' data-short='24 nov '>24 novembre 2024</time> da mgaproduction</strong> </span> </div> </div> </div> </div> </article> <a id='comment-2374773'></a> <article id='elComment_2374773' class='cPost ipsBox ipsResponsive_pull ipsComment ipsComment_parent ipsClearfix ipsClear ipsColumns ipsColumns_noSpacing 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caratteristiche di temperatura </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </article> <a id='comment-2374901'></a> <article id='elComment_2374901' class='cPost ipsBox ipsResponsive_pull ipsComment ipsComment_parent ipsClearfix ipsClear ipsColumns ipsColumns_noSpacing ipsColumns_collapsePhone '> <div class='cAuthorPane_mobile ipsResponsive_showPhone'> <div class='cAuthorPane_photo'> <div class='cAuthorPane_photoWrap'> <span class='ipsUserPhoto ipsUserPhoto_large '> <img src='data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%22%20viewBox%3D%220%200%201024%201024%22%20style%3D%22background%3A%236562c4%22%3E%3Cg%3E%3Ctext%20text-anchor%3D%22middle%22%20dy%3D%22.35em%22%20x%3D%22512%22%20y%3D%22512%22%20fill%3D%22%23ffffff%22%20font-size%3D%22700%22%20font-family%3D%22-apple-system%2C%20BlinkMacSystemFont%2C%20Roboto%2C%20Helvetica%2C%20Arial%2C%20sans-serif%22%3EM%3C%2Ftext%3E%3C%2Fg%3E%3C%2Fsvg%3E' alt='mgaproduction' loading="lazy"> </span> </div> </div> <div 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ipsType_richText ipsPadding_bottom ipsContained' data-controller='core.front.core.lightboxedImages'> <blockquote class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote="" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic" data-ipsquote-contentcommentid="2374902" data-ipsquote-contentid="324680" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-timestamp="1732518643" data-ipsquote-userid="143747" data-ipsquote-username="reka"> <div class="ipsQuote_citation"> 2 ore fa, reka ha scritto: </div> <div class="ipsQuote_contents"> <p> mi pare lo abbia spiegato bene, 猫 una macchina da 8kW termici e come assorbimento arriva a 2,5 di picco, sono macchine inverter, non hanno un verio e proprio spunto. </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> 聽 </p> </div> </blockquote> <p> 聽 </p> <p> Spiegato bene non troppo. Di Kw "termici" non ne parla. Parla solo di Kw elettrici iniziando da quelli del suo impianto fotovoltaico, per poi passare all'energia consumata dalla pdc.. </p> <p> E' questa serie di informazioni che A ME hanno messo dei dubbi. </p> <p> All'inizio parla di un impiato FV da 10 Kw (saranno di picco di sicuro), dopo parla di 10 KwH di produzione, che per un impianto da 10 Kw sono una miseria...li produce il mio da 3 Kw (di picco) 10 Kwh... </p> <p> Vedo un p貌 tanta confusione... </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </article> <a id='comment-2374950'></a> <article id='elComment_2374950' class='cPost ipsBox ipsResponsive_pull ipsComment ipsComment_parent ipsClearfix ipsClear ipsColumns ipsColumns_noSpacing ipsColumns_collapsePhone '> <div class='cAuthorPane_mobile ipsResponsive_showPhone'> <div class='cAuthorPane_photo'> <div class='cAuthorPane_photoWrap'> <span class='ipsUserPhoto ipsUserPhoto_large '> <img 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data-controller='core.front.core.lightboxedImages'> <p> le PDC come le caldaie hanno come dato principale o taglia la potenza termica, per me 8kW monofase riferito ad una pdc non 猫 un dato elettrico 猫 la descrizione veloce di una poma da 8 kw con alimentazione monofase. </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> che poi faccia un po' di ocnfusione con le unit脿 di misura ok dopo 猫 vero. </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> se ho capito bene ha 10kW di pannelli e 10kW di contratto, nel suo caso una PDC con quegli assorbimenti anche se monofare 猫 quasi piccola, assorbe come un forno. </p> <p> quindi se il caso 猫 questo consiglierei solo di scegliere bene la fase in cui allacciarla. </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> certo che se ci chiarisse un po la questione sarebbe mweglio </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> 聽 </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </article> <a id='comment-2375502'></a> <article id='elComment_2375502' class='cPost ipsBox ipsResponsive_pull ipsComment ipsComment_parent ipsClearfix ipsClear ipsColumns ipsColumns_noSpacing 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infatti ero un po' delusa e avevo il dubbio di aver scritto qualcosa che non andava e di non essere "stata pubblicata dai moderatori". Quindi innanzi tutto grazie a tutti per le risposte. </p> <p> Chiedo scusa per la confusione nelle unit脿 di misura, come ho scritto al termine del mio messaggio sono molto cosciente di non riuscire a utilizzarle nel modo corretto (so che c'猫 anche un modo corretto di scrivere lettere maiuscole e minuscole, ma non me le ricordo mai!!!) </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> Direi che reka ha intuito la mia situazione. Confermo che la PDC 猫 8 kW termici (spero sia corretto) il rapporto fra consumo e resa 猫 circa 1:4 quindi 猫 corretto quanto ha scritto reka, il consumo dovrebbe restare al di sotto del 3kWh (anche questo spero sia corretto) </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> Confermo che il fotovoltaico 猫 da 10 KW e la batteria da 16 KW </p> <p> Se ho ben capito quindi non dovrebbero esserci problemi a collegare la PDC ad una fase del mio trifase. </p> <p> Mi rimane ancora una domanda che provo a formulare: il mio FV pu貌 fornire 10 kWh, ma questo 猫 suddiviso in parti uguali sulle 3 fasi indipendentemente dai loro carichi? Ovvero, se io consumassi 6kWh sulla prima, 3 sulla seconda e 1 sulla terza, consumerei solo energia del mio FV (ammesso ne produca a sufficienza) oppure sulla prima dovrei acquistarne circa 3 dal distributore e venderne circa 2 non uati sulla terza? </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> Vi ringrazio e mi scuso ancora per la confusione su termini e unit脿 di misura. </p> <p> Buona serata </p> <p> Sili </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> 聽 </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </article> <a id='comment-2375531'></a> <article id='elComment_2375531' class='cPost ipsBox ipsResponsive_pull ipsComment ipsComment_parent ipsClearfix ipsClear ipsColumns ipsColumns_noSpacing ipsColumns_collapsePhone '> <div class='cAuthorPane_mobile ipsResponsive_showPhone'> <div class='cAuthorPane_photo'> <div class='cAuthorPane_photoWrap'> <span class='ipsUserPhoto ipsUserPhoto_large '> <img 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ipsType_richText ipsPadding_bottom ipsContained' data-controller='core.front.core.lightboxedImages'> <blockquote class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote="" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic" data-ipsquote-contentcommentid="2375502" data-ipsquote-contentid="324680" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-timestamp="1732658762" data-ipsquote-userid="318584" data-ipsquote-username="sili3"> <div class="ipsQuote_citation"> 10 ore fa, sili3 ha scritto: </div> <div class="ipsQuote_contents"> <p> Buonasera a tutti, mi scuso per il ritardo, colpa mia ma ero convinta mi arrivasse qualche notifica via mail a fronte di una risposta, infatti ero un po' delusa e avevo il dubbio di aver scritto qualcosa che non andava e di non essere "stata pubblicata dai moderatori". Quindi innanzi tutto grazie a tutti per le risposte. </p> <p> Chiedo scusa per la confusione nelle unit脿 di misura, come ho scritto al termine del mio messaggio sono molto cosciente di non riuscire a utilizzarle nel modo corretto (so che c'猫 anche un modo corretto di scrivere lettere maiuscole e minuscole, ma non me le ricordo mai!!!) </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> Direi che reka ha intuito la mia situazione. Confermo che la PDC 猫 8 kW termici (spero sia corretto) il rapporto fra consumo e resa 猫 circa 1:4 quindi 猫 corretto quanto ha scritto reka, il consumo dovrebbe restare al di sotto del 3kWh (anche questo spero sia corretto) </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> Confermo che il fotovoltaico 猫 da 10 KW e la batteria da 16 KW </p> <p> Se ho ben capito quindi non dovrebbero esserci problemi a collegare la PDC ad una fase del mio trifase. </p> <p> Mi rimane ancora una domanda che provo a formulare: il mio FV pu貌 fornire 10 kWh, ma questo 猫 suddiviso in parti uguali sulle 3 fasi indipendentemente dai loro carichi? Ovvero, se io consumassi 6kWh sulla prima, 3 sulla seconda e 1 sulla terza, consumerei solo energia del mio FV (ammesso ne produca a sufficienza) oppure sulla prima dovrei acquistarne circa 3 dal distributore e venderne circa 2 non uati sulla terza? </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> Vi ringrazio e mi scuso ancora per la confusione su termini e unit脿 di misura. </p> <p> Buona serata </p> <p> Sili </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> 聽 </p> </div> </blockquote> <p> 聽 </p> <p> Ok per gli 8 Kw termici. </p> <p> Ok per i 10 Kw del Fv ma le batterie in genere vanno a KwH ovvero quanta energia riescono ad immagazzinare. Poi la potenza istantanea la gestisce l'inverter. </p> <p> Se il tuo impoanto pu貌 arrivare a 10 Kw, ne pu貌 fornire in termini di KwH almeno il quadruplo (suppongo). Il聽 mio che 猫 da <strong>3 Kw</strong> (di picco) arriva a fornire anche 18 Kw<strong>H</strong> al giorno nei periodi buoni. </p> <p> Lo preciso nella speranza di farti chiarezza tra potenza (che si msura in Kw) e energia (che si misura in KH). </p> <p> E' importante perch猫 la potenza dovrebbe essere suddivisa fra le 3 fasi e quindi, avendo un contratto Enel da 10 Kw, potrebbe essere circa 3 Kw per fase (3x3=9). </p> <p> Ora bisogna vedere (e questa cosa io non la so in quanto non conosco la trifase) quanto assorbe di potenza ISTANTANEA la pdc (kw termici ok, di potenza elettrica ??? </p> <p> Metti che ne consumi 3 o 4 in fase di partenza e poi, quando si 猫 assestata termicamente, scenda a 1 o anche meno. </p> <p> Come si comporta la trifase ?COme dicevo, non lo so. </p> <p> SE tu avessi una monofase con contratto da 6 Kw, allora in partenza te ne assorbe 3 o 4 e te ne rimangono quindi 2 o 3 (al netto delle tolleranze dei contatori che di legge sono del 10% per X minuti consecutivi o qualcosa del genere) MA se nel mentre hai attaccato anche lavapiatti, asciugatrice e lavatrice, stai pur certa che il contatore salta e rimani al buio (oltre che al freddo). </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> Quanta ENERGIA consuma invece, non 猫 un dato importante per le 3 fasi, anzi non ce ne importa proprio nulla. E' "solo" il dato di consumo che serve a Enel per farti pagare i KwH che la pdc consuma. </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> Spero di esserti stato di aiuto </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </article> <a id='comment-2375602'></a> <article id='elComment_2375602' class='cPost ipsBox ipsResponsive_pull ipsComment ipsComment_parent ipsClearfix ipsClear ipsColumns ipsColumns_noSpacing ipsColumns_collapsePhone '> <div class='cAuthorPane_mobile ipsResponsive_showPhone'> <div class='cAuthorPane_photo'> <div class='cAuthorPane_photoWrap'> <span class='ipsUserPhoto ipsUserPhoto_large '> <img 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Poi la potenza istantanea la gestisce l'inverter. </p> <p> Se il tuo impoanto pu貌 arrivare a 10 Kw, ne pu貌 fornire in termini di KwH almeno il quadruplo (suppongo). Il聽 mio che 猫 da <strong>3 Kw</strong> (di picco) arriva a fornire anche 18 Kw<strong>H</strong> al giorno nei periodi buoni. </p> <p> Lo preciso nella speranza di farti chiarezza tra potenza (che si msura in Kw) e energia (che si misura in KH). </p> <p> E' importante perch猫 la potenza dovrebbe essere suddivisa fra le 3 fasi e quindi, avendo un contratto Enel da 10 Kw, potrebbe essere circa 3 Kw per fase (3x3=9). </p> <p> Ora bisogna vedere (e questa cosa io non la so in quanto non conosco la trifase) quanto assorbe di potenza ISTANTANEA la pdc (kw termici ok, di potenza elettrica ??? </p> <p> Metti che ne consumi 3 o 4 in fase di partenza e poi, quando si 猫 assestata termicamente, scenda a 1 o anche meno. </p> <p> Come si comporta la trifase ?COme dicevo, non lo so. </p> <p> SE tu avessi una monofase con contratto da 6 Kw, allora in partenza te ne assorbe 3 o 4 e te ne rimangono quindi 2 o 3 (al netto delle tolleranze dei contatori che di legge sono del 10% per X minuti consecutivi o qualcosa del genere) MA se nel mentre hai attaccato anche lavapiatti, asciugatrice e lavatrice, stai pur certa che il contatore salta e rimani al buio (oltre che al freddo). </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> Quanta ENERGIA consuma invece, non 猫 un dato importante per le 3 fasi, anzi non ce ne importa proprio nulla. E' "solo" il dato di consumo che serve a Enel per farti pagare i KwH che la pdc consuma. </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> Spero di esserti stato di aiuto </p> </div> </blockquote> <p> Grazie mille </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </article> <a id='comment-2375698'></a> <article id='elComment_2375698' class='cPost ipsBox ipsResponsive_pull ipsComment ipsComment_parent ipsClearfix ipsClear ipsColumns ipsColumns_noSpacing ipsColumns_collapsePhone '> <div class='cAuthorPane_mobile ipsResponsive_showPhone'> <div class='cAuthorPane_photo'> <div class='cAuthorPane_photoWrap'> <span class='ipsUserPhoto ipsUserPhoto_large '> <img 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Quindi se su due immetti e una prelevi perch猫 猫 sotto eccessivo carico, il contatore rilevera脿 la somma delle tre. Il problema potrebbe essere se nel contratto hai penali sul fatto davere squilibri sulle fasi, ma per queste tagli non credo tu li abbia. </p> <p> La batteria si comporter脿 allo stesso modo, cio猫 l'inverter cercher脿 di mantenere la somma delle tre fase a zero come prelievo, potresti avere 2 kW L1, 1kW L2 e -3 kW L3, la somma darebbe 0 kW quello che cercher脿 di fare l'inverter in fase di scarica delle batterie. 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Quindi se su due immetti e una prelevi perch猫 猫 sotto eccessivo carico, il contatore rilevera脿 la somma delle tre. Il problema potrebbe essere se nel contratto hai penali sul fatto davere squilibri sulle fasi, ma per queste tagli non credo tu li abbia. </p> <p> La batteria si comporter脿 allo stesso modo, cio猫 l'inverter cercher脿 di mantenere la somma delle tre fase a zero come prelievo, potresti avere 2 kW L1, 1kW L2 e -3 kW L3, la somma darebbe 0 kW quello che cercher脿 di fare l'inverter in fase di scarica delle batterie. Di giorno potresti avere prelievo da una fase ed immissione sulle altre due, la somma 猫 se stai prelevando o immettendo. </p> </div> </blockquote> <p> Grazie mille in effetti era questo che mi mancava, cio猫 volevo capire se quei famosi 3 Kw in pi霉 consumati su una sola fase costituiscono per me una spesa economica che non sarebbe mai pari alla cifra che il GSE mi darebbe per i 3 Kw che avanzo sulle altre due fasi, ovvero volevo capire se mi costa.... Se ho ben capito quello che mi hai spiegato mi sembra di no, ovvero sia il mio FV che il contatore del distributore fanno la somma delle tre fasi, quindi nella condizione che ho appena scritto (in una fase ho bisogno di 3 Kw in pi霉 e nelle altre due ne produco 3 Kw in pi霉)聽 non dovrei ne' pagare ne' ricevere euro. Corretto?<br /> Non credo di avere penali per gli squilibri sulle fasi, ma verificher貌 meglio visto che me l'hai scritto </p> <p> Grazie mille </p> <p> Sili </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </article> <a id='comment-2375823'></a> <article id='elComment_2375823' class='cPost ipsBox ipsResponsive_pull ipsComment ipsComment_parent ipsClearfix ipsClear ipsColumns ipsColumns_noSpacing ipsColumns_collapsePhone '> <div class='cAuthorPane_mobile ipsResponsive_showPhone'> <div class='cAuthorPane_photo'> <div class='cAuthorPane_photoWrap'> <span class='ipsUserPhoto ipsUserPhoto_large '> <img src='data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%22%20viewBox%3D%220%200%201024%201024%22%20style%3D%22background%3A%2362c493%22%3E%3Cg%3E%3Ctext%20text-anchor%3D%22middle%22%20dy%3D%22.35em%22%20x%3D%22512%22%20y%3D%22512%22%20fill%3D%22%23ffffff%22%20font-size%3D%22700%22%20font-family%3D%22-apple-system%2C%20BlinkMacSystemFont%2C%20Roboto%2C%20Helvetica%2C%20Arial%2C%20sans-serif%22%3ES%3C%2Ftext%3E%3C%2Fg%3E%3C%2Fsvg%3E' alt='sili3' loading="lazy"> </span> </div> </div> <div class='cAuthorPane_content'> <h3 class='ipsType_sectionHead cAuthorPane_author ipsType_break ipsType_blendLinks ipsFlex ipsFlex-ai:center'> <span style='color:purple'>sili3</span> </h3> <div class='ipsType_light ipsType_reset'> <a href='https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/?do=findComment&comment=2375823' rel="nofollow" class='ipsType_blendLinks'>Inserita: <time datetime='2024-11-28T00:08:54Z' title='28/11/2024 00:08' data-short='28 nov '>28 novembre 2024</time></a> </div> </div> </div> <aside class='ipsComment_author cAuthorPane ipsColumn ipsColumn_medium ipsResponsive_hidePhone'> <h3 class='ipsType_sectionHead cAuthorPane_author ipsType_blendLinks ipsType_break'><strong> sili3</strong> </h3> <ul class='cAuthorPane_info ipsList_reset'> <li class='cAuthorPane_photo'> <span class='ipsUserPhoto ipsUserPhoto_large '> <img src='data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%22%20viewBox%3D%220%200%201024%201024%22%20style%3D%22background%3A%2362c493%22%3E%3Cg%3E%3Ctext%20text-anchor%3D%22middle%22%20dy%3D%22.35em%22%20x%3D%22512%22%20y%3D%22512%22%20fill%3D%22%23ffffff%22%20font-size%3D%22700%22%20font-family%3D%22-apple-system%2C%20BlinkMacSystemFont%2C%20Roboto%2C%20Helvetica%2C%20Arial%2C%20sans-serif%22%3ES%3C%2Ftext%3E%3C%2Fg%3E%3C%2Fsvg%3E' alt='sili3' loading="lazy"> </span> </li> <li><span style='color:purple'>Nuovi Utenti PLC Forum</span></li> <li> </li> <li class='ipsType_light'>15 messaggi</li> </ul> </aside> <div class='ipsColumn ipsColumn_fluid ipsMargin:none'> <div id='comment-2375823_wrap' data-controller='core.front.core.comment' data-commentApp='forums' data-commentType='forums' data-commentID="2375823" data-quoteData='{"userid":318584,"username":"sili3","timestamp":1732748934,"contentapp":"forums","contenttype":"forums","contentid":324680,"contentclass":"forums_Topic","contentcommentid":2375823}' class='ipsComment_content ipsType_medium'> <div class='ipsComment_meta ipsType_light ipsFlex ipsFlex-ai:center ipsFlex-jc:between ipsFlex-fd:row-reverse'> <div class='ipsType_light ipsType_reset ipsType_blendLinks ipsComment_toolWrap'> <div class='ipsResponsive_hidePhone ipsComment_badges'> <ul class='ipsList_reset ipsFlex ipsFlex-jc:end ipsFlex-fw:wrap ipsGap:2 ipsGap_row:1'> <li><strong class="ipsBadge ipsBadge_large ipsComment_authorBadge">Autore</strong></li> </ul> </div> <ul class='ipsList_reset ipsComment_tools'> <li> <a href='#elControls_2375823_menu' class='ipsComment_ellipsis' id='elControls_2375823' title='Altre opzioni' data-ipsMenu data-ipsMenu-appendTo='#comment-2375823_wrap'><i class='fa fa-ellipsis-h'></i></a> <ul id='elControls_2375823_menu' class='ipsMenu ipsMenu_narrow ipsHide'> <li class='ipsMenu_item'><a href='https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/?do=reportComment&comment=2375823' data-ipsDialog data-ipsDialog-remoteSubmit data-ipsDialog-size='medium' data-ipsDialog-flashMessage='Grazie per la tua segnalazione' data-ipsDialog-title="Segnala messaggio" data-action='reportComment' title='Segnala questo contenuto'>Segnala</a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> <div class='ipsType_reset ipsResponsive_hidePhone'> Inserita: <time datetime='2024-11-28T00:08:54Z' title='28/11/2024 00:08' data-short='28 nov '>28 novembre 2024</time> <span class='ipsResponsive_hidePhone'> </span> </div> </div> <div class='cPost_contentWrap'> <div data-role='commentContent' class='ipsType_normal ipsType_richText ipsPadding_bottom ipsContained' data-controller='core.front.core.lightboxedImages'> <p> <a contenteditable="false" data-ipshover="" data-ipshover-target="https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/171817-marcello401/?do=hovercard" data-mentionid="171817" href="https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/171817-marcello401/" rel="">@marcello401</a>聽Una trifase da 5 Kw non mi basta come potenza termica. Stanno verificando ancora se 8 Kw monofase basta per le mie necessit脿 o se ci vorr脿 una 12 Kw trifase, per貌 la seconda costa un bel po' pi霉 della prima, ma se mi garantiscono che la 8 basta, vorrei essere certa di non avere problemi nel montarla sul mio impianto. Se mi diranno che la 8 preventivata non va bene, penso che rimander貌 il tutto. </p> <p> 聽 </p> <p> <a contenteditable="false" data-ipshover="" data-ipshover-target="https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/226907-baldini/?do=hovercard" data-mentionid="226907" href="https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/226907-baldini/" rel="">@baldini</a>聽 Grazie, quest'ultima affermazione mi tranquillizza un po' perch猫 le aziende che vengono, commerciali o tecnici che siano, pur di vendere affermano qualsiasi cosa! </p> <p> Grazie a tutti </p> <p> Silvia </p> <p> 聽 </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </article> <a id='comment-2376064'></a> <article id='elComment_2376064' class='cPost ipsBox ipsResponsive_pull ipsComment ipsComment_parent ipsClearfix ipsClear ipsColumns ipsColumns_noSpacing ipsColumns_collapsePhone '> <div class='cAuthorPane_mobile ipsResponsive_showPhone'> <div class='cAuthorPane_photo'> <div class='cAuthorPane_photoWrap'> <span class='ipsUserPhoto ipsUserPhoto_large '> <img 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data-role='commentContent' class='ipsType_normal ipsType_richText ipsPadding_bottom ipsContained' data-controller='core.front.core.lightboxedImages'> <blockquote class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote="" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic" data-ipsquote-contentcommentid="2376064" data-ipsquote-contentid="324680" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-timestamp="1732814970" data-ipsquote-userid="171817" data-ipsquote-username="marcello401"> <div class="ipsQuote_citation"> 14 ore fa, marcello401 ha scritto: </div> <div class="ipsQuote_contents"> <p> <span><a contenteditable="false" data-ipshover="" data-ipshover-target="https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/318584-sili3/?do=hovercard" data-mentionid="318584" href="https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/318584-sili3/" rel="">@sili3</a></span>Ho scritto 5KW perch猫 da quella taglia in su le trovi trifase. </p> </div> </blockquote> <p> Ah scusami, non avevo capito... Grazie... il fatto 猫 che trifase costano diverse migliaia di euro in pi霉. Comunque grazie </p> <p> Silvia </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </article> <a id='comment-2376209'></a> <article id='elComment_2376209' class='cPost ipsBox ipsResponsive_pull ipsComment ipsComment_parent ipsClearfix ipsClear ipsColumns ipsColumns_noSpacing ipsColumns_collapsePhone '> <div class='cAuthorPane_mobile ipsResponsive_showPhone'> <div class='cAuthorPane_photo'> <div class='cAuthorPane_photoWrap'> <span class='ipsUserPhoto ipsUserPhoto_large '> <img src='https://www.plcforum.it/f/uploads/profile_photo/monthly_2022_01/433005061_AlessioMenditto(205x327).thumb.jpg.63dc4f62a2bf61b901880191128e244e.jpg' alt='Alessio Menditto' loading="lazy"> </span> <span class="cAuthorPane_badge cAuthorPane_badge--moderator" data-ipsTooltip title="Alessio Menditto is a moderator"></span> </div> </div> <div class='cAuthorPane_content'> <h3 class='ipsType_sectionHead cAuthorPane_author ipsType_break ipsType_blendLinks ipsFlex ipsFlex-ai:center'> <b><span style='color:green'>Alessio Menditto</span></b> </h3> <div class='ipsType_light ipsType_reset'> <a href='https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/?do=findComment&comment=2376209' rel="nofollow" class='ipsType_blendLinks'>Inserita: <time datetime='2024-11-29T11:29:06Z' title='29/11/2024 11:29' data-short='29 nov '>29 novembre 2024</time></a> </div> </div> </div> <aside class='ipsComment_author cAuthorPane ipsColumn ipsColumn_medium ipsResponsive_hidePhone'> <h3 class='ipsType_sectionHead cAuthorPane_author ipsType_blendLinks ipsType_break'><strong> Alessio Menditto</strong> </h3> <ul class='cAuthorPane_info ipsList_reset'> <li class='ipsType_break'>Esperto di Termotecnica e Termomeccanica</li> <li><img src='https://www.plcforum.it/f/uploads/monthly_2017_11/Esperto.png.b784164cda7e58d14aa4fa84da8a20dd.png' alt='' class='cAuthorGroupIcon'></li> <li class='cAuthorPane_photo'> <span class='ipsUserPhoto ipsUserPhoto_large '> <img src='https://www.plcforum.it/f/uploads/profile_photo/monthly_2022_01/433005061_AlessioMenditto(205x327).thumb.jpg.63dc4f62a2bf61b901880191128e244e.jpg' alt='Alessio Menditto' loading="lazy"> </span> </li> <li><b><span style='color:green'>Moderatore</span></b></li> <li> </li> <li class='ipsType_light'>18.224 messaggi</li> </ul> </aside> <div class='ipsColumn ipsColumn_fluid ipsMargin:none'> <div id='comment-2376209_wrap' data-controller='core.front.core.comment' data-commentApp='forums' data-commentType='forums' data-commentID="2376209" data-quoteData='{"userid":256536,"username":"Alessio Menditto","timestamp":1732876146,"contentapp":"forums","contenttype":"forums","contentid":324680,"contentclass":"forums_Topic","contentcommentid":2376209}' class='ipsComment_content ipsType_medium'> <div class='ipsComment_meta ipsType_light ipsFlex ipsFlex-ai:center ipsFlex-jc:between ipsFlex-fd:row-reverse'> <div class='ipsType_light ipsType_reset ipsType_blendLinks ipsComment_toolWrap'> <div class='ipsResponsive_hidePhone ipsComment_badges'> <ul class='ipsList_reset ipsFlex ipsFlex-jc:end ipsFlex-fw:wrap ipsGap:2 ipsGap_row:1'> </ul> </div> <ul class='ipsList_reset ipsComment_tools'> <li> <a href='#elControls_2376209_menu' class='ipsComment_ellipsis' id='elControls_2376209' title='Altre opzioni' data-ipsMenu data-ipsMenu-appendTo='#comment-2376209_wrap'><i class='fa fa-ellipsis-h'></i></a> <ul id='elControls_2376209_menu' class='ipsMenu ipsMenu_narrow ipsHide'> <li class='ipsMenu_item'><a href='https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/?do=reportComment&comment=2376209' data-ipsDialog data-ipsDialog-remoteSubmit data-ipsDialog-size='medium' data-ipsDialog-flashMessage='Grazie per la tua segnalazione' data-ipsDialog-title="Segnala messaggio" data-action='reportComment' title='Segnala questo contenuto'>Segnala</a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> <div class='ipsType_reset ipsResponsive_hidePhone'> Inserita: <time datetime='2024-11-29T11:29:06Z' title='29/11/2024 11:29' data-short='29 nov '>29 novembre 2024</time> <span class='ipsResponsive_hidePhone'> </span> </div> </div> <div class='cPost_contentWrap'> <div data-role='commentContent' class='ipsType_normal ipsType_richText ipsPadding_bottom ipsContained' data-controller='core.front.core.lightboxedImages'> <p> Scusate perch茅 questa discussione sta diventando paradossale e sono costretto ad intervenire: per voi cosa s鈥榠ntende che la pdc trifase costa uno sproposito? 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Il contatore del gestore \u00e8 da 10 KW. Vorrei installare una pompa di calore e ne ho trovata una che mi interesserebbe per prezzo e condizioni, ma \u00e8 da 8 KW monofase. Dai dati tecnici, l\u0027energia richiesta nei momenti di spunto \u00e8 circa 2,5 KWh mentre a regime dovrebbe restare intorno a 0,7 KWh. Secondo i tecnici della ditta installatrice non ci sono problemi ad installarla nel mio impianto trifase, ma vorrei capire bene sia i pro che i contro.\n \n\n\n\tLa prima domanda \u00e8 se i miei 10 KWh di produzione, sono da dividere in parti uguali sulle 3 fasi o se in base alla richiesta potrebbero fornire 6 KWh ad una, 3 all\u0027altra e 1 alla terza, ovvero in modo non equilibrato.\n \n\n\n\tSe installo la pompa su una fase, L1 sulla quale ho altri servizi \u00e8 possibile che in alcuni momenti in cui la PDC richiede il massimo, il consumo su quella fase sia maggiore che nelle altre e potrebbe superare un terzo della mia produzione o delle mia capacit\u00e0 di autoproduzione. Se questo accade, cosa succede? pago al gestore la corrente in eccesso che consumo solo su quella fase, mentre continuo a vendere al GSE la corrente prodotta sulle altre due fasi che in quel momento sono libere da carichi? oppure \u00e8 il mio impianto fotovoltaico che all\u0027occorrenza non divide in parti uguali l\u0027energia che sta producendo o che \u00e8 nelle batterie e va a fornirne di pi\u00f9 alla fase che ne necessita abbassando la fornitura delle altre due?\n \n\n\n\tNon so se sono riuscita a spiegare i miei dubbi e chiedo scusa se ho usato qualche termine o unit\u00e0 di misura non corretti. \n\tSe avete consigli o pareri a riguardo li accetto molto volentieri\n \n\n\n\tGrazie mille\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n", "dateCreated": "2024-11-22T14:58:09+0000", "datePublished": "2024-11-22T14:58:09+0000", "dateModified": "2024-12-02T13:08:50+0000", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "sili3", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/318584-sili3/" }, "interactionStatistic": [ { "@type": "InteractionCounter", "interactionType": "http://schema.org/ViewAction", "userInteractionCount": 1927 }, { "@type": "InteractionCounter", "interactionType": "http://schema.org/CommentAction", "userInteractionCount": 25 }, { "@type": "InteractionCounter", "interactionType": "http://schema.org/FollowAction", "userInteractionCount": 2 } ], "@context": "http://schema.org", "@type": "DiscussionForumPosting", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/", "isPartOf": { "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/#website" }, "publisher": { "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/#organization", "member": { "@type": "Person", "name": "sili3", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/318584-sili3/" } }, "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/", "discussionUrl": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/", "mainEntityOfPage": { "@type": "WebPage", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/" }, "pageStart": 1, "pageEnd": 2, "comment": [ { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2374663", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2374663", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "mgaproduction", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/158674-mgaproduction/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-24T08:57:59+0000", "text": "Innanzitutto bisognerebbe chiarire un aspetto che \u00e8 quello relativo ai dati che ti hanno fornito.\n \n\n\n\tSe ti dicono che \u00e8 da 8 Kw monofase, pu\u00f2 essere benissimo e significa che la sua potenza istantanea potrebbe arrivare a 8 Kw. Penso magari non sempre.\n \n\n\n\tInvece l\u0027energia richiesta nei momenti di spunto \u00e8 il dato che pi\u00f9 mi lascia dei dubbi in quanto lo hai indicato in KwH e questa cosa non quadra.\n \n\n\n\tL\u0027energia si misura in Kwh e la potenza si misura in Kw.\n \n\n\n\tPu\u00f2 essere benissimo che con un assorbimento massimo istantaneo di 8 Kw di picco per X minuti, lei arrivi a consumare 2,5 Kwh (che non sono quelli che tu indichi come corrente di spunto ma bens\u00ec energia consumata) che ti hanno indicato e non ci sono problemi, ma lei istantaneamente consumoa 8 Kw e quindi si ricade successivamente nei dubbi da te espressi. Ai quali io non ti so rispondere e aspetto gli esperti in quanto sono molto curioso anche io per cultura personale.\n \n\n\n\tPer\u00f2, ripeto : un conto \u00e8 la potenza istantanea che si misura in Kw ed un altro \u00e8 l\u0027energia consumata che si misura (e si paga) in Kwh.\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\tL\u0027 \"energia nei momenti di spunto\" in genere \u00e8 la potenza istantanea che, nei momenti di spunto appunto, \u00e8 maggiore ed \u00e8 li che potrebbe arrivare agli 8 Kw istantanei del dato di targa.\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\tSpero di non averti crrato ulteriori dubbi.\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2374773", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2374773", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "click0", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/180595-click0/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-24T15:37:41+0000", "text": "mah...\n \n\n\n\tdi solito (e non credo che questo sia un caso diverso)\n \n\n\n\t8Kw sono la potenza che la macchina eroga (solitamente a freddo) a determinate caratteristiche di temperatura\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2374901", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2374901", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "mgaproduction", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/158674-mgaproduction/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-25T07:05:08+0000", "text": "Si, ovvero la potenza istantanea e non l\u0027energia...\n \n\n\n\tSperiamo che @sili3\u00a0risponda velocemente, cos\u00ec chiariamo \n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2374902", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2374902", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "reka", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/143747-reka/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-25T07:10:43+0000", "text": "mi pare lo abbia spiegato bene, \u00e8 una macchina da 8kW termici e come assorbimento arriva a 2,5 di picco, sono macchine inverter, non hanno un verio e proprio spunto.\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2374924", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2374924", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "mgaproduction", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/158674-mgaproduction/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-25T09:18:31+0000", "text": "Spiegato bene non troppo. Di Kw \"termici\" non ne parla. Parla solo di Kw elettrici iniziando da quelli del suo impianto fotovoltaico, per poi passare all\u0027energia consumata dalla pdc..\n \n\n\n\tE\u0027 questa serie di informazioni che A ME hanno messo dei dubbi.\n \n\n\n\tAll\u0027inizio parla di un impiato FV da 10 Kw (saranno di picco di sicuro), dopo parla di 10 KwH di produzione, che per un impianto da 10 Kw sono una miseria...li produce il mio da 3 Kw (di picco) 10 Kwh...\n \n\n\n\tVedo un p\u00f2 tanta confusione...\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2374950", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2374950", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "reka", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/143747-reka/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-25T11:19:23+0000", "text": "le PDC come le caldaie hanno come dato principale o taglia la potenza termica, per me 8kW monofase riferito ad una pdc non \u00e8 un dato elettrico \u00e8 la descrizione veloce di una poma da 8 kw con alimentazione monofase.\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\tche poi faccia un po\u0027 di ocnfusione con le unit\u00e0 di misura ok dopo \u00e8 vero.\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\tse ho capito bene ha 10kW di pannelli e 10kW di contratto, nel suo caso una PDC con quegli assorbimenti anche se monofare \u00e8 quasi piccola, assorbe come un forno.\n \n\n\n\tquindi se il caso \u00e8 questo consiglierei solo di scegliere bene la fase in cui allacciarla.\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\tcerto che se ci chiarisse un po la questione sarebbe mweglio\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375502", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375502", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "sili3", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/318584-sili3/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-26T22:06:02+0000", "text": "Buonasera a tutti, mi scuso per il ritardo, colpa mia ma ero convinta mi arrivasse qualche notifica via mail a fronte di una risposta, infatti ero un po\u0027 delusa e avevo il dubbio di aver scritto qualcosa che non andava e di non essere \"stata pubblicata dai moderatori\". Quindi innanzi tutto grazie a tutti per le risposte.\n \n\n\n\tChiedo scusa per la confusione nelle unit\u00e0 di misura, come ho scritto al termine del mio messaggio sono molto cosciente di non riuscire a utilizzarle nel modo corretto (so che c\u0027\u00e8 anche un modo corretto di scrivere lettere maiuscole e minuscole, ma non me le ricordo mai!!!)\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\tDirei che reka ha intuito la mia situazione. Confermo che la PDC \u00e8 8 kW termici (spero sia corretto) il rapporto fra consumo e resa \u00e8 circa 1:4 quindi \u00e8 corretto quanto ha scritto reka, il consumo dovrebbe restare al di sotto del 3kWh (anche questo spero sia corretto)\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\tConfermo che il fotovoltaico \u00e8 da 10 KW e la batteria da 16 KW\n \n\n\n\tSe ho ben capito quindi non dovrebbero esserci problemi a collegare la PDC ad una fase del mio trifase.\n \n\n\n\tMi rimane ancora una domanda che provo a formulare: il mio FV pu\u00f2 fornire 10 kWh, ma questo \u00e8 suddiviso in parti uguali sulle 3 fasi indipendentemente dai loro carichi? Ovvero, se io consumassi 6kWh sulla prima, 3 sulla seconda e 1 sulla terza, consumerei solo energia del mio FV (ammesso ne produca a sufficienza) oppure sulla prima dovrei acquistarne circa 3 dal distributore e venderne circa 2 non uati sulla terza?\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\tVi ringrazio e mi scuso ancora per la confusione su termini e unit\u00e0 di misura.\n \n\n\n\tBuona serata\n \n\n\n\tSili\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375531", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375531", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "reka", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/143747-reka/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T06:39:02+0000", "text": "onestamente non conosco gli inverter FV trifase, prima che intervenga qualcuno esperto puoi per\u00f2 verificare una cosa:\n \n\n\n\til monitoraggio dell\u0027inverte non ti permette di vedere i valori separati per fase? se s\u00ec dovresti capire come lavora\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375533", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375533", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "NoNickName", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/57021-nonickname/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T06:53:56+0000", "text": "Ma comprare una pdc trifase \u00e8 troppo difficile?\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375574", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375574", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "mgaproduction", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/158674-mgaproduction/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T09:15:49+0000", "text": "Ok per gli 8 Kw termici.\n \n\n\n\tOk per i 10 Kw del Fv ma le batterie in genere vanno a KwH ovvero quanta energia riescono ad immagazzinare. Poi la potenza istantanea la gestisce l\u0027inverter.\n \n\n\n\tSe il tuo impoanto pu\u00f2 arrivare a 10 Kw, ne pu\u00f2 fornire in termini di KwH almeno il quadruplo (suppongo). Il\u00a0 mio che \u00e8 da 3 Kw (di picco) arriva a fornire anche 18 KwH al giorno nei periodi buoni.\n \n\n\n\tLo preciso nella speranza di farti chiarezza tra potenza (che si msura in Kw) e energia (che si misura in KH).\n \n\n\n\tE\u0027 importante perch\u00e8 la potenza dovrebbe essere suddivisa fra le 3 fasi e quindi, avendo un contratto Enel da 10 Kw, potrebbe essere circa 3 Kw per fase (3x3=9).\n \n\n\n\tOra bisogna vedere (e questa cosa io non la so in quanto non conosco la trifase) quanto assorbe di potenza ISTANTANEA la pdc (kw termici ok, di potenza elettrica ???\n \n\n\n\tMetti che ne consumi 3 o 4 in fase di partenza e poi, quando si \u00e8 assestata termicamente, scenda a 1 o anche meno.\n \n\n\n\tCome si comporta la trifase ?COme dicevo, non lo so.\n \n\n\n\tSE tu avessi una monofase con contratto da 6 Kw, allora in partenza te ne assorbe 3 o 4 e te ne rimangono quindi 2 o 3 (al netto delle tolleranze dei contatori che di legge sono del 10% per X minuti consecutivi o qualcosa del genere) MA se nel mentre hai attaccato anche lavapiatti, asciugatrice e lavatrice, stai pur certa che il contatore salta e rimani al buio (oltre che al freddo).\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\tQuanta ENERGIA consuma invece, non \u00e8 un dato importante per le 3 fasi, anzi non ce ne importa proprio nulla. E\u0027 \"solo\" il dato di consumo che serve a Enel per farti pagare i KwH che la pdc consuma.\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\tSpero di esserti stato di aiuto\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375602", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375602", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "sili3", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/318584-sili3/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T10:42:26+0000", "text": "Si ho un\u0027app che mostra vari dati, devo provare a chiedere all\u0027azienda che ha installato il FV come leggere quei dati e il loro significato.\n \n\n\n\tGrazie\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375603", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375603", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "sili3", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/318584-sili3/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T10:43:37+0000", "text": "Con qualche migliaio di euro in pi\u00f9, non lo \u00e8 affatto, basterebbe averli...\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375605", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375605", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "sili3", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/318584-sili3/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T10:46:19+0000", "text": "Grazie mille\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375698", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375698", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "NoNickName", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/57021-nonickname/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T16:06:15+0000", "text": "Costano uguale, anzi la trifase forse costa qualcosa meno\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375710", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375710", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "reka", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/143747-reka/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T16:59:47+0000", "text": "comunque in un impianto con tutti utilizzatori pesanti monofase (forni, lavatrici ecc ecc) anche la PDC monofase non \u00e8 assurdo, alla fine consuma meno la maggior parte del tempo.\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\tbasta cercare i dati di assorbomento delle fasi e vedere se si riesce a bilanciare il tutto\u00a0\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375711", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375711", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "sili3", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/318584-sili3/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T17:08:57+0000", "text": "Si grazie, interpello l\u0027azienda che ha installato il fotovoltaico e chiedo un \"corso accelerato\" per imparare a leggere bene i dati presenti nell\u0027app. \n\tGrazie mille\n \n\n\n\tSilvia\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375733", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375733", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "Simone Baldini", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/uploads/profile_photo/monthly_2021_03/5EAA0B56-2C61-4BA8-AA43-BA93ED404629.thumb.JPG.74c6c905572ee858fe3f1dcf78217331.JPG", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/130718-simone-baldini/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T18:39:12+0000", "text": "Il contatore elettrico trifase alla fine per conteggiare se stai immettendo o prelevando rileva la somma delle tre fasi. Quindi se su due immetti e una prelevi perch\u00e8 \u00e8 sotto eccessivo carico, il contatore rilevera\u00e0 la somma delle tre. Il problema potrebbe essere se nel contratto hai penali sul fatto davere squilibri sulle fasi, ma per queste tagli non credo tu li abbia.\n \n\n\n\tLa batteria si comporter\u00e0 allo stesso modo, cio\u00e8 l\u0027inverter cercher\u00e0 di mantenere la somma delle tre fase a zero come prelievo, potresti avere 2 kW L1, 1kW L2 e -3 kW L3, la somma darebbe 0 kW quello che cercher\u00e0 di fare l\u0027inverter in fase di scarica delle batterie. Di giorno potresti avere prelievo da una fase ed immissione sulle altre due, la somma \u00e8 se stai prelevando o immettendo.\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375736", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375736", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "marcello401", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/171817-marcello401/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T18:41:46+0000", "text": "Secondo me ora come ora ci sono macchine da 5kw Trifase..le fa la panasonic...ne compri una \u00e8 sei a posto senza cervellarti come equilibrare i carichi con una PDC a 230V.\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375811", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375811", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "Simone Baldini", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/uploads/profile_photo/monthly_2021_03/5EAA0B56-2C61-4BA8-AA43-BA93ED404629.thumb.JPG.74c6c905572ee858fe3f1dcf78217331.JPG", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/130718-simone-baldini/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T22:16:31+0000", "text": "A mio avviso in una utenza domestica comunque il problema delle fasi lo avresti comunque, anche se metti la PDC trifase, ti rimane tutti il resto monofase, a meno che dividi i carichi sulle varie fasi, luci, fm, eventuali fornelli induzione ecc... ma dubito che per una villetta uno stia li a fare tutte queste divisioni. Alla fine parliamo di un assorbimento di 2,5 kW a pieno carico.\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375819", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375819", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "sili3", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/318584-sili3/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T23:02:16+0000", "text": "Grazie mille in effetti era questo che mi mancava, cio\u00e8 volevo capire se quei famosi 3 Kw in pi\u00f9 consumati su una sola fase costituiscono per me una spesa economica che non sarebbe mai pari alla cifra che il GSE mi darebbe per i 3 Kw che avanzo sulle altre due fasi, ovvero volevo capire se mi costa.... Se ho ben capito quello che mi hai spiegato mi sembra di no, ovvero sia il mio FV che il contatore del distributore fanno la somma delle tre fasi, quindi nella condizione che ho appena scritto (in una fase ho bisogno di 3 Kw in pi\u00f9 e nelle altre due ne produco 3 Kw in pi\u00f9)\u00a0 non dovrei ne\u0027 pagare ne\u0027 ricevere euro. Corretto? \n\tNon credo di avere penali per gli squilibri sulle fasi, ma verificher\u00f2 meglio visto che me l\u0027hai scritto\n \n\n\n\tGrazie mille\n \n\n\n\tSili\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375823", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2375823", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "sili3", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/318584-sili3/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-27T23:08:54+0000", "text": "@marcello401\u00a0Una trifase da 5 Kw non mi basta come potenza termica. Stanno verificando ancora se 8 Kw monofase basta per le mie necessit\u00e0 o se ci vorr\u00e0 una 12 Kw trifase, per\u00f2 la seconda costa un bel po\u0027 pi\u00f9 della prima, ma se mi garantiscono che la 8 basta, vorrei essere certa di non avere problemi nel montarla sul mio impianto. Se mi diranno che la 8 preventivata non va bene, penso che rimander\u00f2 il tutto.\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n\n\n\t@baldini\u00a0 Grazie, quest\u0027ultima affermazione mi tranquillizza un po\u0027 perch\u00e8 le aziende che vengono, commerciali o tecnici che siano, pur di vendere affermano qualsiasi cosa!\n \n\n\n\tGrazie a tutti\n \n\n\n\tSilvia\n \n\n\n\t\u00a0\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2376064", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2376064", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "marcello401", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/171817-marcello401/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-28T17:29:30+0000", "text": "@sili3Ho scritto 5KW perch\u00e8 da quella taglia in su le trovi trifase.\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2376186", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2376186", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "sili3", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/applications/core/interface/email/default_photo.png", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/318584-sili3/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-29T08:27:09+0000", "text": "Ah scusami, non avevo capito... Grazie... il fatto \u00e8 che trifase costano diverse migliaia di euro in pi\u00f9. Comunque grazie\n \n\n\n\tSilvia\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 }, { "@type": "Comment", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2376209", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/topic/324680-fotovoltaico-trifase-e-pompa-di-calore-monofase/#comment-2376209", "author": { "@type": "Person", "name": "Alessio Menditto", "image": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/uploads/profile_photo/monthly_2022_01/433005061_AlessioMenditto(205x327).thumb.jpg.63dc4f62a2bf61b901880191128e244e.jpg", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/profile/256536-alessio-menditto/" }, "dateCreated": "2024-11-29T10:29:06+0000", "text": "Scusate perch\u00e9 questa discussione sta diventando paradossale e sono costretto ad intervenire: per voi cosa s\u2018intende che la pdc trifase costa uno sproposito?\n \n\n\n\tA parte che non ho capito se \u00e8 una pdc aria/aria, cio\u00e8 Split, o una che scalda acqua, possiamo chiarire questi punti per favore, giusto per capire di cosa stiamo parlando, e in modo da guardare su qualche sito i prezzi?\n \n\n\n\tAltrimenti si parla di niente.\n \n", "upvoteCount": 0 } ] } </script> <script type='application/ld+json'> { "@context": "http://www.schema.org", "publisher": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/#organization", "@type": "WebSite", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/#website", "mainEntityOfPage": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/", "name": "PLC Forum", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/", "potentialAction": { "type": "SearchAction", "query-input": "required name=query", "target": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/search/?q={query}" }, "inLanguage": [ { "@type": "Language", "name": "Italiano", "alternateName": "it-IT" }, { "@type": "Language", "name": "English (USA)", "alternateName": "en-US" } ] } </script> <script type='application/ld+json'> { "@context": "http://www.schema.org", "@type": "Organization", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/#organization", "mainEntityOfPage": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/", "name": "PLC Forum", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/", "address": { "@type": "PostalAddress", "streetAddress": "Centro Direzionale Milanofiori , Strada 1, Palazzo F1", "addressLocality": "Assago", "addressRegion": "MI", "postalCode": "20090", "addressCountry": "IT" } } </script> <script type='application/ld+json'> { "@context": "http://schema.org", "@type": "BreadcrumbList", "itemListElement": [ { "@type": "ListItem", "position": 1, "item": { "name": "Forum Termotecnica", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/forum/277-forum-termotecnica/" } }, { "@type": "ListItem", "position": 2, "item": { "name": "Fonti d'energia rinnovabili", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/forum/476-fonti-denergia-rinnovabili/" } }, { "@type": "ListItem", "position": 3, "item": { "name": "Fotovoltaico", "@id": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/forum/487-fotovoltaico/" } }, { "@type": "ListItem", "position": 4, "item": { "name": "Fotovoltaico trifase e pompa di calore monofase" } } ] } </script> <script type='application/ld+json'> { "@context": "http://schema.org", "@type": "ContactPage", "url": "https://www.plcforum.it/f/contact/" } </script> <script type='text/javascript'> (() => { let gqlKeys = []; 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