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Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Archived_nominations/Index" title="Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Archived nominations/Index">the nomination archive</a>) and why it was removed.</td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" style="width:100%"><table class="article-history-milestones mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width:100%;font-size:90%"><tbody><tr><th colspan="3" style="font-size:110%">Article milestones</th></tr><tr style="text-align:left"><th>Date</th><th>Process</th><th>Result</th></tr><tr><td><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Illegal_prime&oldid=2571442">January 19, 2004</a></span></td><td><b><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Refreshing brilliant prose</a></b></td><td>Kept</td></tr><tr><td><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Illegal_prime&oldid=5634608">August 1, 2004</a></span></td><td><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_removal_candidates/Illegal_prime" title="Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/Illegal prime">Featured article review</a></b></td><td>Demoted</td></tr><tr><td><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Illegal_prime&oldid=696255583">December 21, 2015</a></span></td><td><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Illegal_prime" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Illegal prime">Articles for deletion</a></b></td><td>Kept</td></tr><tr><td><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Illegal_prime&oldid=1052572463">October 29, 2021</a></span></td><td><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Illegal_prime_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Illegal prime (2nd nomination)">Articles for deletion</a></b></td><td>Merged</td></tr><tr><td colspan="3">Current status: <b>Former featured article</b></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Clipboard.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Articles for deletion"><img alt="Articles for deletion" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1f/Clipboard.svg/35px-Clipboard.svg.png" decoding="async" width="35" height="35" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1f/Clipboard.svg/53px-Clipboard.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1f/Clipboard.svg/70px-Clipboard.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This article was nominated for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">deletion</a>. 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The only examples mentioned in the article is the DeCSS prime, and the general topic is poorly distinguished from that specific example. It would be very helpful if another example of an illegal prime was added. There are also some sentences that don't make a whole lot of sense mathematically. For example, the article says "The primality of a number is a fundamental property of number theory and is therefore not dependent on legal definitions of any particular jurisdiction." While this is factually true, there are many other fundamental properties in number theory and its unclear why the legal status (or lack thereof) of primality in particular is important. If Carmody had converted the program into a number that was the sum of two squares, what would change? <a href="/wiki/User:Stellaathena" title="User:Stellaathena">Stellaathena</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stellaathena" title="User talk:Stellaathena">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Illegal_prime#c-Stellaathena-2020-11-17T22:48:00.000Z-2020_comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 17 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stellaathena-2020-11-17T22:48:00.000Z-2020_comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-11-17T22:48:00.000Z","author":"Stellaathena","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Stellaathena-2020-11-17T22:48:00.000Z-2020_comments","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stellaathena-2020-11-17T22:48:00.000Z-2020_comments"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zaslav-2021-01-19T01:25:00.000Z-2020_comments"></span>I agree with this objection; the article barely discusses the concept of an illegal prime, simply zeroing in on one particular case. In a different way, some of the text makes no sense to me. Examples: (1) "Protests against the indictment of DeCSS author Jon Lech Johansen and legislation prohibiting publication of DeCSS code took many forms." has no context; it's like jumping into the middle of a film with no idea what it's about. (2) "Thus, if the number were large enough and proved prime using ECPP, it would be published." I can't tell what "would be published" means (does it mean this fact constitutes publication? If so, it's nonsensical), nor how ECPP or the size of the number has any connection with publication. (3) What makes a number "too small to be mentioned"? And more. As it stands, this article is worthless, IMO. </p><p>My suggestion: Merge whatever is worthwhile into <a href="/wiki/Illegal_number" title="Illegal number">Illegal number</a>. There seems to be nothing much about an "illegal prime" that deserves a separate article. <a href="/wiki/User:Zaslav" title="User:Zaslav">Zaslav</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zaslav" title="User talk:Zaslav">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Illegal_prime#c-Zaslav-2021-01-19T01:25:00.000Z-2020_comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zaslav-2021-01-19T01:25:00.000Z-2020_comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-19T01:25:00.000Z","author":"Zaslav","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zaslav-2021-01-19T01:25:00.000Z-2020_comments","replies":["c-Rockstone35-2021-10-29T06:58:00.000Z-Zaslav-2021-01-19T01:25:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zaslav-2021-01-19T01:25:00.000Z-2020_comments"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rockstone35-2021-10-29T06:58:00.000Z-Zaslav-2021-01-19T01:25:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Zaslav" title="User:Zaslav">Zaslav</a>:</span> -- I have proposed a merge. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Rockstone35" title="User:Rockstone35"><span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rockstone35" title="User talk:Rockstone35"><span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Illegal_prime#c-Rockstone35-2021-10-29T06:58:00.000Z-Zaslav-2021-01-19T01:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:58, 29 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rockstone35-2021-10-29T06:58:00.000Z-Zaslav-2021-01-19T01:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-10-29T06:58:00.000Z","author":"Rockstone35","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Rockstone35-2021-10-29T06:58:00.000Z-Zaslav-2021-01-19T01:25:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Rockstone"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rockstone35-2021-10-29T06:58:00.000Z-Zaslav-2021-01-19T01:25:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rockstone35-2021-10-29T23:14:00.000Z-2020_comments"></span>As per discussion; went ahead and boldly merged this with <a href="/wiki/Illegal_number" title="Illegal number">Illegal number</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Rockstone35" title="User:Rockstone35"><span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rockstone35" title="User talk:Rockstone35"><span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Illegal_prime#c-Rockstone35-2021-10-29T23:14:00.000Z-2020_comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 29 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rockstone35-2021-10-29T23:14:00.000Z-2020_comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-10-29T23:14:00.000Z","author":"Rockstone35","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rockstone35-2021-10-29T23:14:00.000Z-2020_comments","replies":[],"displayName":"Rockstone"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rockstone35-2021-10-29T23:14:00.000Z-2020_comments"></span> </p> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐api‐int.codfw.main‐849f99967d‐62ftq Cached time: 20241124222612 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.013 seconds CPU time usage: 0.259 seconds Real time usage: 0.354 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 1186/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 42667/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 457/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 11/100 Expensive parser function count: 19/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 35308/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.154/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 2822626/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 292.126 1 -total 51.24% 149.691 1 Template:WikiProjectBannerShell 24.14% 70.516 1 Template:Talk_page_of_redirect 22.64% 66.128 2 Template:Tmbox 19.84% 57.971 1 Template:WikiProject_Computing 11.15% 32.581 1 Template:WikiProject_Mathematics 9.59% 28.023 1 Template:Merged-to 7.38% 21.546 1 Template:Check_talk_wp 6.79% 19.821 1 Template:Category_handler 6.44% 18.806 1 Template:ArticleHistory --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:idhash:160536-0!canonical and timestamp 20241124222612 and revision id 1175721145. 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