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Scott & Mark Learn To… Reputate </h2></a><div><span class="EpisodeListItem__Duration-ZldaQ hVOIhM"><span role="img" aria-label="clock-circle" class="anticon anticon-clock-circle"><svg viewBox="64 64 896 896" focusable="false" data-icon="clock-circle" width="1em" height="1em" fill="currentColor" aria-hidden="true"><path d="M512 64C264.6 64 64 264.6 64 512s200.6 448 448 448 448-200.6 448-448S759.4 64 512 64zm0 820c-205.4 0-372-166.6-372-372s166.6-372 372-372 372 166.6 372 372-166.6 372-372 372z"></path><path d="M686.7 638.6L544.1 535.5V288c0-4.4-3.6-8-8-8H488c-4.4 0-8 3.6-8 8v275.4c0 2.6 1.2 5 3.3 6.5l165.4 120.6c3.6 2.6 8.6 1.8 11.2-1.7l28.6-39c2.6-3.7 1.8-8.7-1.8-11.2z"></path></svg></span> <!-- -->21:38</span>|<time dateTime="2025-03-19T16:15:00.000Z" class="EpisodeListItem__DatePublish-ibxPoH fuCtWx"><span role="img" aria-label="calendar" class="anticon anticon-calendar"><svg viewBox="64 64 896 896" focusable="false" data-icon="calendar" width="1em" height="1em" fill="currentColor" aria-hidden="true"><path d="M880 184H712v-64c0-4.4-3.6-8-8-8h-56c-4.4 0-8 3.6-8 8v64H384v-64c0-4.4-3.6-8-8-8h-56c-4.4 0-8 3.6-8 8v64H144c-17.7 0-32 14.3-32 32v664c0 17.7 14.3 32 32 32h736c17.7 0 32-14.3 32-32V216c0-17.7-14.3-32-32-32zm-40 656H184V460h656v380zM184 392V256h128v48c0 4.4 3.6 8 8 8h56c4.4 0 8-3.6 8-8v-48h256v48c0 4.4 3.6 8 8 8h56c4.4 0 8-3.6 8-8v-48h128v136H184z"></path></svg></span> <!-- -->Wednesday, March 19, 2025</time>|<span class="EpisodeListItem__Seasons-cKCWbE HauGd"><span>Season<!-- --> <!-- -->1</span>, <span>Ep.<!-- --> <!-- -->12</span></span></div><div class="EpisodeListItem__FeatCardSummary-ixygAI jSKFLZ">In this episode of Scott and Mark Learn To, Scott Hanselman and Mark Russinovich dive into the art of building reputations throughout the careers. Scott shares a story about directly messaging a distinguished engineer with a technical question, sparking a discussion about when it's appropriate to contact someone you don't know. Mark acknowledges that his title and reputation give him confidence to reach out to others but emphasizes not bothering people with "randomness." They explore when it's okay to say no, why thoughtful questions build influence, and how legendary computer scientist Donald Knuth turned bug reports into prized autographs. Mark shares his approach to unread messages, while Scott reveals his trick for turning good questions into content. Plus, a candid discussion on imposter syndrome—when even the most accomplished minds feel out of their depth. Takeaways: The key is knowing when to ask questions versus when to do more self-research Why titles serve as shorthand for expertise, but their importance depends on context. How highly accomplished professionals deal with self-doubt and imposter syndromeWho are they? View Scott Hanselman on LinkedIn View Mark Russinovich on LinkedIn Watch Scott and Mark Learn on YouTube Listen to other episodes at scottandmarklearn.to Discover and follow other Microsoft podcasts at microsoft.com/podcasts Download the Transcript</div></div><ul class="ant-list-item-action"><li><button episode="[object Object]" type="button" class="ant-btn css-17eed5t ant-btn-default ant-btn-lg PlayButton__PlayButtonStyled-PLKwP ioBmIA"><span role="img" aria-label="play-circle" class="anticon anticon-play-circle"><svg viewBox="64 64 896 896" focusable="false" data-icon="play-circle" width="1em" height="1em" fill="currentColor" aria-hidden="true"><path d="M512 64C264.6 64 64 264.6 64 512s200.6 448 448 448 448-200.6 448-448S759.4 64 512 64zm144.1 454.9L437.7 677.8a8.02 8.02 0 01-12.7-6.5V353.7a8 8 0 0112.7-6.5L656.1 506a7.9 7.9 0 010 12.9z"></path></svg></span>Play</button></li></ul></li><li class="ant-list-item EpisodeListItem__ListItemStyled-iBBHlu ioAIAL"><a id="episode-card-Scott_&_Mark_Learn_To..._Systems_Thinking" href="/scott-and-mark-learn-to/episodes/scott-mark-learn-to-systems-thinking" class="Link__LinkElement-gcUHji jzoSpE"><span class="ant-avatar ant-avatar-circle ant-avatar-image EpisodeListItem__EpisodeCover-dETuO bUVPdL css-17eed5t"><img src="https://open-images.acast.com/shows/66ff347463073ba71bb59705/1729058264020-b3bb9f2f-7b5d-4177-80f4-e771d2151f6d.jpeg?height=250"/></span></a><div class="EpisodeListItem__EpisodeInfo-dMuDjN ibWqjy"><a id="episode-card-Scott_&_Mark_Learn_To..._Systems_Thinking" href="/scott-and-mark-learn-to/episodes/scott-mark-learn-to-systems-thinking" class="Link__LinkElement-gcUHji jzoSpE"><h2 class="Typography__H2-jQFsNJ EpisodeListItem__TitleStyled-bnvvwp TuejL iiDLiW">11. Scott & Mark Learn To... Systems Thinking</h2></a><div><span class="EpisodeListItem__Duration-ZldaQ hVOIhM"><span role="img" aria-label="clock-circle" class="anticon anticon-clock-circle"><svg viewBox="64 64 896 896" focusable="false" data-icon="clock-circle" width="1em" height="1em" fill="currentColor" aria-hidden="true"><path d="M512 64C264.6 64 64 264.6 64 512s200.6 448 448 448 448-200.6 448-448S759.4 64 512 64zm0 820c-205.4 0-372-166.6-372-372s166.6-372 372-372 372 166.6 372 372-166.6 372-372 372z"></path><path d="M686.7 638.6L544.1 535.5V288c0-4.4-3.6-8-8-8H488c-4.4 0-8 3.6-8 8v275.4c0 2.6 1.2 5 3.3 6.5l165.4 120.6c3.6 2.6 8.6 1.8 11.2-1.7l28.6-39c2.6-3.7 1.8-8.7-1.8-11.2z"></path></svg></span> <!-- -->31:21</span>|<time dateTime="2025-03-05T16:15:00.000Z" class="EpisodeListItem__DatePublish-ibxPoH fuCtWx"><span role="img" aria-label="calendar" class="anticon anticon-calendar"><svg viewBox="64 64 896 896" focusable="false" data-icon="calendar" width="1em" height="1em" fill="currentColor" aria-hidden="true"><path d="M880 184H712v-64c0-4.4-3.6-8-8-8h-56c-4.4 0-8 3.6-8 8v64H384v-64c0-4.4-3.6-8-8-8h-56c-4.4 0-8 3.6-8 8v64H144c-17.7 0-32 14.3-32 32v664c0 17.7 14.3 32 32 32h736c17.7 0 32-14.3 32-32V216c0-17.7-14.3-32-32-32zm-40 656H184V460h656v380zM184 392V256h128v48c0 4.4 3.6 8 8 8h56c4.4 0 8-3.6 8-8v-48h256v48c0 4.4 3.6 8 8 8h56c4.4 0 8-3.6 8-8v-48h128v136H184z"></path></svg></span> <!-- -->Wednesday, March 5, 2025</time>|<span class="EpisodeListItem__Seasons-cKCWbE HauGd"><span>Season<!-- --> <!-- -->1</span>, <span>Ep.<!-- --> <!-- -->11</span></span></div><div class="EpisodeListItem__FeatCardSummary-ixygAI jSKFLZ">In this episode of Scott & Mark Learn To, Scott Hanselman and Mark Russinovich dive into the concept of systems thinking—what it means, why it matters, and how it applies beyond just coding. Scott recalls an insightful conversation with a colleague, who argues that while younger generations are taught to code, they aren’t taught to understand the larger systems in which code operates. They discussed how systems thinking approach contrasts with traditional code practices. They also explored the challenges of integrating AI into coding, the limitations of AI-generated code, the necessity of understanding the broader system in which code operates and debated the balance between deep analysis and decisive action. Takeaways: Experience and mindset shape systems thinking Understanding how one's work fits into a larger system can lead to better decision-making With AI handling more coding tasks, the real value lies in the ability to think architecturally and systemically Who are they? View Scott Hanselman on LinkedIn View Mark Russinovich on LinkedIn Watch Scott and Mark Learn on YouTube Listen to other episodes at scottandmarklearn.to Discover and follow other Microsoft podcasts at microsoft.com/podcasts </div></div><ul class="ant-list-item-action"><li><button episode="[object Object]" type="button" class="ant-btn css-17eed5t ant-btn-default ant-btn-lg PlayButton__PlayButtonStyled-PLKwP ioBmIA"><span role="img" aria-label="play-circle" class="anticon anticon-play-circle"><svg viewBox="64 64 896 896" focusable="false" data-icon="play-circle" width="1em" height="1em" fill="currentColor" aria-hidden="true"><path d="M512 64C264.6 64 64 264.6 64 512s200.6 448 448 448 448-200.6 448-448S759.4 64 512 64zm144.1 454.9L437.7 677.8a8.02 8.02 0 01-12.7-6.5V353.7a8 8 0 0112.7-6.5L656.1 506a7.9 7.9 0 010 12.9z"></path></svg></span>Play</button></li></ul></li><li class="ant-list-item EpisodeListItem__ListItemStyled-iBBHlu ioAIAL"><a id="episode-card-Scott_&_Mark_Learn_To..._Zoomit" href="/scott-and-mark-learn-to/episodes/scott-mark-learn-to-zoomit" class="Link__LinkElement-gcUHji jzoSpE"><span class="ant-avatar ant-avatar-circle ant-avatar-image EpisodeListItem__EpisodeCover-dETuO bUVPdL css-17eed5t"><img src="https://open-images.acast.com/shows/66ff347463073ba71bb59705/1729058264020-b3bb9f2f-7b5d-4177-80f4-e771d2151f6d.jpeg?height=250"/></span></a><div class="EpisodeListItem__EpisodeInfo-dMuDjN ibWqjy"><a id="episode-card-Scott_&_Mark_Learn_To..._Zoomit" href="/scott-and-mark-learn-to/episodes/scott-mark-learn-to-zoomit" class="Link__LinkElement-gcUHji jzoSpE"><h2 class="Typography__H2-jQFsNJ EpisodeListItem__TitleStyled-bnvvwp TuejL iiDLiW">10. 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Originally built to enhance technical demos, ZoomIt has become an essential utility for countless users, including Scott, who calls it second nature. Mark shares how the tool's intuitive, keystroke-driven design surpasses alternatives like Windows Magnifier, making it a favorite for presentations and daily use. You can download Zoomit for free here: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/zoomit And it is now part of PowerToys toolkit: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/zoomit Takeaways: ZoomIt's key features, including live zoom, annotations, blurring, and color customization Mark highlights new features showcasing ZoomIt's ongoing evolution to better serve users ZoomIt is entirely keystroke-driven, eliminating the need for menus or toolbars Who are they? View Scott Hanselman on LinkedIn View Mark Russinovich on LinkedIn Watch Scott and Mark Learn on YouTube Listen to other episodes at scottandmarklearn.to Discover and follow other Microsoft podcasts at microsoft.com/podcasts Download the Transcript</div></div><ul class="ant-list-item-action"><li><button episode="[object Object]" type="button" class="ant-btn css-17eed5t ant-btn-default ant-btn-lg PlayButton__PlayButtonStyled-PLKwP ioBmIA"><span role="img" aria-label="play-circle" class="anticon anticon-play-circle"><svg viewBox="64 64 896 896" focusable="false" data-icon="play-circle" width="1em" height="1em" fill="currentColor" aria-hidden="true"><path d="M512 64C264.6 64 64 264.6 64 512s200.6 448 448 448 448-200.6 448-448S759.4 64 512 64zm144.1 454.9L437.7 677.8a8.02 8.02 0 01-12.7-6.5V353.7a8 8 0 0112.7-6.5L656.1 506a7.9 7.9 0 010 12.9z"></path></svg></span>Play</button></li></ul></li><li class="ant-list-item EpisodeListItem__ListItemStyled-iBBHlu ioAIAL"><a id="episode-card-Scott_&_Mark_Learn_To..._Public_Speaking" href="/scott-and-mark-learn-to/episodes/scott-and-mark-learn-to-public-speaking" class="Link__LinkElement-gcUHji jzoSpE"><span class="ant-avatar ant-avatar-circle ant-avatar-image EpisodeListItem__EpisodeCover-dETuO bUVPdL css-17eed5t"><img src="https://open-images.acast.com/shows/66ff347463073ba71bb59705/1729058264020-b3bb9f2f-7b5d-4177-80f4-e771d2151f6d.jpeg?height=250"/></span></a><div class="EpisodeListItem__EpisodeInfo-dMuDjN ibWqjy"><a id="episode-card-Scott_&_Mark_Learn_To..._Public_Speaking" href="/scott-and-mark-learn-to/episodes/scott-and-mark-learn-to-public-speaking" class="Link__LinkElement-gcUHji jzoSpE"><h2 class="Typography__H2-jQFsNJ EpisodeListItem__TitleStyled-bnvvwp TuejL iiDLiW">9. 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Public Speaking</h2></a><div><span class="EpisodeListItem__Duration-ZldaQ hVOIhM"><span role="img" aria-label="clock-circle" class="anticon anticon-clock-circle"><svg viewBox="64 64 896 896" focusable="false" data-icon="clock-circle" width="1em" height="1em" fill="currentColor" aria-hidden="true"><path d="M512 64C264.6 64 64 264.6 64 512s200.6 448 448 448 448-200.6 448-448S759.4 64 512 64zm0 820c-205.4 0-372-166.6-372-372s166.6-372 372-372 372 166.6 372 372-166.6 372-372 372z"></path><path d="M686.7 638.6L544.1 535.5V288c0-4.4-3.6-8-8-8H488c-4.4 0-8 3.6-8 8v275.4c0 2.6 1.2 5 3.3 6.5l165.4 120.6c3.6 2.6 8.6 1.8 11.2-1.7l28.6-39c2.6-3.7 1.8-8.7-1.8-11.2z"></path></svg></span> <!-- -->28:26</span>|<time dateTime="2025-02-05T16:15:00.000Z" class="EpisodeListItem__DatePublish-ibxPoH fuCtWx"><span role="img" aria-label="calendar" class="anticon anticon-calendar"><svg viewBox="64 64 896 896" focusable="false" data-icon="calendar" width="1em" height="1em" fill="currentColor" aria-hidden="true"><path d="M880 184H712v-64c0-4.4-3.6-8-8-8h-56c-4.4 0-8 3.6-8 8v64H384v-64c0-4.4-3.6-8-8-8h-56c-4.4 0-8 3.6-8 8v64H144c-17.7 0-32 14.3-32 32v664c0 17.7 14.3 32 32 32h736c17.7 0 32-14.3 32-32V216c0-17.7-14.3-32-32-32zm-40 656H184V460h656v380zM184 392V256h128v48c0 4.4 3.6 8 8 8h56c4.4 0 8-3.6 8-8v-48h256v48c0 4.4 3.6 8 8 8h56c4.4 0 8-3.6 8-8v-48h128v136H184z"></path></svg></span> <!-- -->Wednesday, February 5, 2025</time>|<span class="EpisodeListItem__Seasons-cKCWbE HauGd"><span>Season<!-- --> <!-- -->1</span>, <span>Ep.<!-- --> <!-- -->9</span></span></div><div class="EpisodeListItem__FeatCardSummary-ixygAI jSKFLZ">In this episode of Scott & Mark Learn To, Scott Hanselman and Mark Russinovich dive into the art of giving technical talks. With Scott preparing for a keynote abroad and Mark gearing up for an internal presentation, the duo reflects on their journeys as speakers, from their very first presentations to commanding stages with thousands of attendees. They discuss how preparation evolves with experience, balancing off-the-cuff speaking with intensive demo prep. From brown bag sessions to high-stakes keynotes, and even Scott’s upcoming TEDx talk, they explore how stakes and familiarity shape their approach to crafting impactful presentations. Takeaways: Scott manages nerves with monitoring heart rate and using breathing exercises to stay calm Mark’s time management techniques, dividing content into sections and time limits for each Structuring talks in three acts and evenly divided segments in between Useful Links: Scott’s the Art of Speaking Class on Pluralsight: https://www.pluralsight.com/courses/hanselman-speaking Public speaking episodes from on-Net: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/shows/on-dotnet/public-speaking-scott-hanselman-kendra-havens-maria-naggaga-nakanwagi-kasey-uhlenhuth-donov https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/shows/on-dotnet/tips-on-public-speaking-from-andres-phil-scott-and-cecil Who are they? 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Mark explains the shift from "pets" (individual servers) to "cattle" (easily replaceable servers) as cloud infrastructure became more scalable and cost-efficient. They discuss the challenges of scaling websites, from physical data centers to cloud-based solutions, and the economic and technical factors that led to the rise of multi-tenancy and on-demand services. The episode also highlights Azure’s adoption of Linux and the broader embrace of open-source technologies, marking a key shift in Microsoft’s cloud strategy. The conversation reflects on how modern cloud services abstract away complex infrastructure management, much like the simplification seen in programming languages with garbage collection. Takeaways: Why cloud existed in the first place and how it evolved Difference abstraction leads to different services, IaaS, PaaS, SaaS Microsoft’s strategic decisions in the history of Azure, like embracing Linux and opensource technologies Resources: The Mind Behind Windows: Dave Cutler Microsoft Volume I: The Complete History and Strategy of founding through Windows 95 (Audio) Microsoft Volume II: The Complete History and Strategy of the Ballmer Years (Audio) Who are they? 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Mark opens up about his long-time love for the Battlefield video game series, where he’s spent countless hours playing multiplayer, while Scott shares his passion for retro gaming on his Steam Deck. The conversation explores their favorite games, including Half-Life: Alyx, and how gaming serves as a much-needed release. They also discuss their non-tech hobbies—Mark’s unexpected talent for drawing, which he picked up again during COVID, and Scott’s thoughts on how AI and nerd sniping influence their spare time. The episode offers a fun and candid look into how these tech giants unwind and keep their creativity flowing. Takeaways: How people assume successful tech professionals only engage in computer-related hobbies AI research as a hobby, focusing on gamifying challenges to fuel passion for problem-solving Mark shares his Star Wars props, including a Darth Vader helmet and Stormtrooper rifle Who are they? 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They reflect on how speaking candidly in internal settings can influence public communication and decision-making. Mark recalls his bold stance on Rust over C++, which gained traction internally and externally, leading to direct discussions with Microsoft leadership. They also touch on the challenges of public communication as Microsoft executives, the company's relatively open culture compared to other tech giants, and lessons learned from past social media missteps.\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eWho are they?\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Scott Hanselman on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Mark Russinovich on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eWatch Scott and Mark Learn on \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@shanselman\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eYouTube\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eListen to other episodes at \u003c/strong\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://scottandmarklearn.to/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e\u003cstrong\u003escottandmarklearn.to\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eDiscover and follow other Microsoft podcasts at\u003ca href=\"https://news.microsoft.com/podcasts/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e microsoft.com/podcasts\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDownload the\u003c/strong\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://aka.ms/SMLT_S01E13_Transcript\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eTranscript\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","season":1,"episodeNumber":13,"type":"full","explicit":false,"duration":824.0063,"status":"published","cover":null,"_id":"67e71efc735649420e267f04"},{"title":"Scott \u0026 Mark Learn To… Reputate ","alias":"scott-and-mark-learn-to-reputate","show":"66ff347463073ba71bb59705","owner":"5bd0ebbc5360946f70839533","creationDate":"2025-03-18T03:31:39.222Z","publishDate":"2025-03-19T16:15:00.000Z","summary":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of \u003cem\u003eScott and Mark Learn To\u003c/em\u003e,\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e Scott Hanselman\u003c/a\u003e and\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e Mark Russinovich\u003c/a\u003e dive into the art of building reputations throughout the careers. Scott shares a story about directly messaging a distinguished engineer with a technical question, sparking a discussion about when it's appropriate to contact someone you don't know. Mark acknowledges that his title and reputation give him confidence to reach out to others but emphasizes not bothering people with \"randomness.\" They explore when it's okay to say no, why thoughtful questions build influence, and how legendary computer scientist Donald Knuth turned bug reports into prized autographs. Mark shares his approach to unread messages, while Scott reveals his trick for turning good questions into content. Plus, a candid discussion on imposter syndrome—when even the most accomplished minds feel out of their depth.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eTakeaways:\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cul\u003e\u003cli\u003eThe key is knowing when to ask questions versus when to do more self-research\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eWhy titles serve as shorthand for expertise, but their importance depends on context.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eHow highly accomplished professionals deal with self-doubt and imposter syndrome\u003c/li\u003e\u003c/ul\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eWho are they?\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Scott Hanselman on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Mark Russinovich on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eWatch Scott and Mark Learn on \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@shanselman\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eYouTube\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eListen to other episodes at \u003c/strong\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://scottandmarklearn.to/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e\u003cstrong\u003escottandmarklearn.to\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eDiscover and follow other Microsoft podcasts at\u003ca href=\"https://news.microsoft.com/podcasts/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e microsoft.com/podcasts\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDownload the\u003c/strong\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://aka.ms/SMLT_S01E12_Transcript\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eTranscript\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","season":1,"episodeNumber":12,"type":"full","explicit":false,"duration":1298.687,"status":"published","cover":null,"_id":"67d8e91b89c80e5ef051fc70"},{"title":"Scott \u0026 Mark Learn To... Systems Thinking","alias":"scott-mark-learn-to-systems-thinking","show":"66ff347463073ba71bb59705","owner":"5bd0ebbc5360946f70839533","creationDate":"2025-03-04T20:26:30.983Z","publishDate":"2025-03-05T16:15:00.000Z","summary":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of \u003cem\u003eScott \u0026amp; Mark Learn To\u003c/em\u003e, \u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eScott Hanselman\u003c/a\u003e and \u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eMark Russinovich\u003c/a\u003e dive into the concept of systems thinking—what it means, why it matters, and how it applies beyond just coding. Scott recalls an insightful conversation with a colleague, who argues that while younger generations are taught to code, they aren’t taught to understand the larger systems in which code operates. They discussed how systems thinking approach contrasts with traditional code practices. They also explored the challenges of integrating AI into coding, the limitations of AI-generated code, the necessity of understanding the broader system in which code operates and debated the balance between deep analysis and decisive action.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eTakeaways:\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cul\u003e\u003cli\u003eExperience and mindset shape systems thinking\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eUnderstanding how one's work fits into a larger system can lead to better decision-making\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eWith AI handling more coding tasks, the real value lies in the ability to think architecturally and systemically\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003c/ul\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eWho are they?\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Scott Hanselman on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Mark Russinovich on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eWatch Scott and Mark Learn on \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@shanselman\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eYouTube\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eListen to other episodes at \u003c/strong\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://scottandmarklearn.to/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e\u003cstrong\u003escottandmarklearn.to\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eDiscover and follow other Microsoft podcasts at\u003ca href=\"https://news.microsoft.com/podcasts/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e microsoft.com/podcasts\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e","season":1,"episodeNumber":11,"type":"full","explicit":false,"duration":1881.3956,"status":"published","cover":null,"_id":"67c761f648f26a4bcaba3fc5"},{"title":"Scott \u0026 Mark Learn To... Zoomit","alias":"scott-mark-learn-to-zoomit","show":"66ff347463073ba71bb59705","owner":"5bd0ebbc5360946f70839533","creationDate":"2025-02-17T21:07:20.990Z","publishDate":"2025-02-19T16:15:00.000Z","summary":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of \u003cem\u003eScott \u0026amp; Mark Learn To\u003c/em\u003e, \u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eScott Hanselman\u003c/a\u003e and \u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eMark Russinovich\u003c/a\u003e dive into the history and evolution of ZoomIt, a popular screen annotation and zooming tool Mark created over 25 years ago. Originally built to enhance technical demos, ZoomIt has become an essential utility for countless users, including Scott, who calls it second nature. Mark shares how the tool's intuitive, keystroke-driven design surpasses alternatives like Windows Magnifier, making it a favorite for presentations and daily use.\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eYou can download Zoomit for free here: \u003ca href=\"https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/zoomit\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003ehttps://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/zoomit\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eAnd it is now part of PowerToys toolkit: \u003ca href=\"https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/zoomit\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003ehttps://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/zoomit\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eTakeaways:\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cul\u003e\u003cli\u003eZoomIt's key features, including live zoom, annotations, blurring, and color customization\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eMark highlights new features showcasing ZoomIt's ongoing evolution to better serve users\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eZoomIt is entirely keystroke-driven, eliminating the need for menus or toolbars\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003c/ul\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eWho are they?\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Scott Hanselman on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Mark Russinovich on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eWatch Scott and Mark Learn on \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@shanselman\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eYouTube\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eListen to other episodes at \u003c/strong\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://scottandmarklearn.to/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e\u003cstrong\u003escottandmarklearn.to\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eDiscover and follow other Microsoft podcasts at\u003ca href=\"https://news.microsoft.com/podcasts/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e microsoft.com/podcasts\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDownload the\u003c/strong\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://aka.ms/SMLT_S01E10_Transcript\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eTranscript\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","season":1,"episodeNumber":10,"type":"full","explicit":false,"duration":1265.9054,"status":"published","cover":null,"_id":"67b3a508f7ed892410831e4f"},{"title":"Scott \u0026 Mark Learn To... Public Speaking","alias":"scott-and-mark-learn-to-public-speaking","show":"66ff347463073ba71bb59705","owner":"5bd0ebbc5360946f70839533","creationDate":"2025-02-03T21:04:16.994Z","publishDate":"2025-02-05T16:15:00.000Z","summary":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of \u003cem\u003eScott \u0026amp; Mark Learn To\u003c/em\u003e, \u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eScott Hanselman\u003c/a\u003e and \u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eMark Russinovich\u003c/a\u003e dive into the art of giving technical talks. With Scott preparing for a keynote abroad and Mark gearing up for an internal presentation, the duo reflects on their journeys as speakers, from their very first presentations to commanding stages with thousands of attendees. They discuss how preparation evolves with experience, balancing off-the-cuff speaking with intensive demo prep. From brown bag sessions to high-stakes keynotes, and even Scott’s upcoming TEDx talk, they explore how stakes and familiarity shape their approach to crafting impactful presentations.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eTakeaways:\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cul\u003e\u003cli\u003eScott manages nerves with monitoring heart rate and using breathing exercises to stay calm\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eMark’s time management techniques, dividing content into sections and time limits for each\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eStructuring talks in three acts and evenly divided segments in between\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003c/ul\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eUseful Links:\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eScott’s the Art of Speaking Class on Pluralsight: \u003ca href=\"https://www.pluralsight.com/courses/hanselman-speaking\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003ehttps://www.pluralsight.com/courses/hanselman-speaking\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003ePublic speaking episodes from on-Net:\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003ehttps://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/shows/on-dotnet/public-speaking-scott-hanselman-kendra-havens-maria-naggaga-nakanwagi-kasey-uhlenhuth-donov\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003ehttps://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/shows/on-dotnet/tips-on-public-speaking-from-andres-phil-scott-and-cecil\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eWho are they?\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Scott Hanselman on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Mark Russinovich on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eWatch Scott and Mark Learn on \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@shanselman\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eYouTube\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eListen to other episodes at \u003c/strong\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://scottandmarklearn.to/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e\u003cstrong\u003escottandmarklearn.to\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eDiscover and follow other Microsoft podcasts at\u003ca href=\"https://news.microsoft.com/podcasts/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e microsoft.com/podcasts\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDownload the\u003c/strong\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://aka.ms/SMLT_S01E09_Transcript\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eTranscript\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","season":1,"episodeNumber":9,"type":"full","explicit":false,"duration":1706.6822,"status":"published","cover":null,"_id":"67a12f50d4ac62b7f5b5c09f"},{"title":"Scott \u0026 Mark Learn To... The History of Cloud","alias":"scott-and-mark-learn-to-the-history-of-cloud","show":"66ff347463073ba71bb59705","owner":"5bd0ebbc5360946f70839533","creationDate":"2025-01-21T19:40:30.657Z","publishDate":"2025-01-22T16:05:00.000Z","summary":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of \u003cem\u003eScott \u0026amp; Mark Learn To\u003c/em\u003e, \u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eScott Hanselman\u003c/a\u003e and \u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eMark Russinovich\u003c/a\u003e explore the evolution of cloud computing, tracing its roots from the early days of Azure to its transformation into a powerful, flexible platform. Mark explains the shift from \"pets\" (individual servers) to \"cattle\" (easily replaceable servers) as cloud infrastructure became more scalable and cost-efficient. They discuss the challenges of scaling websites, from physical data centers to cloud-based solutions, and the economic and technical factors that led to the rise of multi-tenancy and on-demand services. The episode also highlights Azure’s adoption of Linux and the broader embrace of open-source technologies, marking a key shift in Microsoft’s cloud strategy. The conversation reflects on how modern cloud services abstract away complex infrastructure management, much like the simplification seen in programming languages with garbage collection.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eTakeaways:\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cul\u003e\u003cli\u003eWhy cloud existed in the first place and how it evolved\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eDifference abstraction leads to different services, IaaS, PaaS, SaaS\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eMicrosoft’s strategic decisions in the history of Azure, like embracing Linux and opensource technologies\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003c/ul\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eResources:\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cul\u003e\u003cli\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi1Lq79mLeE\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eThe Mind Behind Windows: Dave Cutler\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycI_xXjpElY\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eMicrosoft Volume I: The Complete History and Strategy of founding through Windows 95 (Audio)\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oER1bdQa_s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eMicrosoft Volume II: The Complete History and Strategy of the Ballmer Years (Audio)\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003c/ul\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eWho are they?\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Scott Hanselman on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Mark Russinovich on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eWatch Scott and Mark Learn on \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@shanselman\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eYouTube\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eListen to other episodes at \u003c/strong\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://scottandmarklearn.to/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e\u003cstrong\u003escottandmarklearn.to\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eDiscover and follow other Microsoft podcasts at\u003ca href=\"https://news.microsoft.com/podcasts/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e microsoft.com/podcasts\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDownload the\u003c/strong\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://aka.ms/SMLT_S01E08_Transcript\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eTranscript\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","season":1,"episodeNumber":8,"type":"full","explicit":false,"duration":2147.7983,"status":"published","cover":null,"_id":"678ff82ed186489b1490623a"},{"title":"Scott \u0026 Mark Learn To... Find Joy in Hobbies","alias":"scott-and-mark-learn-to-find-joy-in-hobbies","show":"66ff347463073ba71bb59705","owner":"5bd0ebbc5360946f70839533","creationDate":"2025-01-06T21:20:22.244Z","publishDate":"2025-01-08T16:15:06.591Z","summary":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of \u003cem\u003eScott \u0026amp; Mark Learn To\u003c/em\u003e, \u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eScott Hanselman\u003c/a\u003e and \u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eMark Russinovich\u003c/a\u003e dive into the topic of hobbies and how they balance tech work with leisure activities. Mark opens up about his long-time love for the \u003cem\u003eBattlefield\u003c/em\u003e video game series, where he’s spent countless hours playing multiplayer, while Scott shares his passion for retro gaming on his Steam Deck. The conversation explores their favorite games, including \u003cem\u003eHalf-Life: Alyx\u003c/em\u003e, and how gaming serves as a much-needed release. They also discuss their non-tech hobbies—Mark’s unexpected talent for drawing, which he picked up again during COVID, and Scott’s thoughts on how AI and nerd sniping influence their spare time. The episode offers a fun and candid look into how these tech giants unwind and keep their creativity flowing.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eTakeaways:\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cul\u003e\u003cli\u003eHow people assume successful tech professionals only engage in computer-related hobbies\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eAI research as a hobby, focusing on gamifying challenges to fuel passion for problem-solving\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eMark shares his Star Wars props, including a Darth Vader helmet and Stormtrooper rifle\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003c/ul\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eWho are they?\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Scott Hanselman on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Mark Russinovich on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eWatch Scott and Mark Learn on \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@shanselman\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eYouTube\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eListen to other episodes at \u003c/strong\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://scottandmarklearn.to/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e\u003cstrong\u003escottandmarklearn.to\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eDiscover and follow other Microsoft podcasts at\u003ca href=\"https://news.microsoft.com/podcasts/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e microsoft.com/podcasts\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDownload the\u003c/strong\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://aka.ms/SMLT_S01E07_Transcript\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eTranscript\u003c/a\u003e \u003c/p\u003e","season":1,"episodeNumber":7,"type":"full","explicit":false,"duration":1574.9033,"status":"published","cover":null,"_id":"677c4916539aba773d021b90"},{"title":"Scott \u0026 Mark Learn To… Take a Dump","alias":"scott-and-mark-learn-to-take-a-dump","show":"66ff347463073ba71bb59705","owner":"5bd0ebbc5360946f70839533","creationDate":"2024-12-10T06:31:11.863Z","publishDate":"2024-12-11T16:15:54.929Z","summary":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of \u003cem\u003eScott \u0026amp; Mark Learn To\u003c/em\u003e, \u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eScott Hanselman\u003c/a\u003e and \u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eMark Russinovich\u003c/a\u003e delve into the critical developer skill of debugging crash dump files, both kernel dumps and application dumps. They start sharing insights from their experiences with blue screens and system crashes. They discuss tools like WinDBG (\"Windbag\") for analyzing dump files and demonstrate \"Not My Fault,\" a tool for simulating crashes. Mark also showcases Procdump, highlighting its advanced features for capturing dumps with conditional triggers, such as high CPU usage or memory leaks, and explains why it outshines manual methods like Task Manager.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eTakeaways:\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cul\u003e\u003cli\u003eHow WinDbg and Visual Studio allow developers to analyze memory dumps as snapshots\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eThe need for developers to get comfortable with debugging\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eExciting possibilities for AI-assisted development in the near future\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003c/ul\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eWho are they?\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Scott Hanselman on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Mark Russinovich on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eWatch Scott and Mark Learn on \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@shanselman\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eYouTube\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/strong\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eListen to other episodes at \u003c/strong\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://scottandmarklearn.to/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e\u003cstrong\u003escottandmarklearn.to\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eDiscover and follow other Microsoft podcasts at\u003ca href=\"https://news.microsoft.com/podcasts/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e microsoft.com/podcasts\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDownload the\u003c/strong\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://aka.ms/SMLT_S01E06_Transcript\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eTranscript\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","season":1,"episodeNumber":6,"type":"full","explicit":false,"duration":1563.6542,"status":"published","cover":null,"_id":"6757e02fd59c6635eeeeb7db"},{"title":"Scott \u0026 Mark Learn To... Undocumented APIs","alias":"scott-mark-learn-to-undocumented-apis","show":"66ff347463073ba71bb59705","owner":"5bd0ebbc5360946f70839533","creationDate":"2024-11-26T19:02:17.134Z","publishDate":"2024-11-27T16:15:58.756Z","summary":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Scott \u0026amp; Mark Learn To,\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e Scott Hanselman\u003c/a\u003e and\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e Mark Russinovich\u003c/a\u003e delve into the intricate world of undocumented APIs, examining their associated risks and benefits. Mark shares his journey into reverse engineering, starting with the Apple II and evolving through his exploration of Windows internals. He elaborates on his PhD thesis on fault management, which sparked his interest in undocumented APIs. The conversation includes technical insights into disassembling and debugging, showcasing Mark’s development of his own disassembler and use of tools like SoftICE for kernel debugging. They also explore Microsoft’s rationale for keeping certain APIs undocumented, highlighting the importance of flexibility in system evolution without compromising application stability.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eTakeaways:\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cul\u003e\u003cli\u003eMicrosoft’s commitment to maintaining backward compatibility for older applications\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eHow contemporary systems manage small crashes to maintain long-term stability\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eHow Mark started his journey on Windows internal APIs\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003c/ul\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eWho are they?\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanselman/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Scott Hanselman on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/markrussinovich/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eView Mark Russinovich on LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eWatch Scott and Mark Learn To on\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@shanselman\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e YouTube\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eListen \u0026amp; Subscribe at\u003ca href=\"http://scottandmarklearn.to/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e scottandmarklearn.to\u003c/a\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eDiscover and follow other Microsoft podcasts at\u003ca href=\"https://news.microsoft.com/podcasts/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003e microsoft.com/podcasts\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDownload the\u003c/strong\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://aka.ms/SMLT_S01E05_Transcript\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"\u003eTranscript\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","season":1,"episodeNumber":5,"type":"full","explicit":false,"duration":1116.77,"status":"published","cover":null,"_id":"67461b39b505b826d71b2939"}]}}},"page":"/[showId]","query":{"showId":"scott-and-mark-learn-to"},"buildId":"ywPaQJRQE2ObUW_WmTSZ-","isFallback":false,"isExperimentalCompile":false,"gip":true,"scriptLoader":[]}</script><noscript><iframe src="https://www.googletagmanager.com/ns.html?id=GTM-TN7LJVGR" height="0" width="0" style="display:none;visibility:hidden"></iframe></noscript></body></html>