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因為平話字福州人根本很少人會看懂，如果都是以『閩語漢字』為基礎的『福州話』，查看和使用效果會更好一些，所以盡量能修改成『閩語漢字』的，盡量修改成『閩語漢字』。比如『頭頁』左邊的功能欄，根本看不懂是寫什麼，就連在編輯條目的時候也遇到過點錯的情況。 [[用戶:SakuraYuki-233|SakuraYuki-233]] ([[用戶討論:SakuraYuki-233|tō̤-lâung]]) 2023 nièng 6 nguŏk 21 hô̤ (B3) 05:48 (UTC) :@[[用戶:SakuraYuki-233|SakuraYuki-233]]：阁下可以抽空看看我在[[:zh:User:FradonStar/关于中文方言维基百科|中文维基百科上面写的一些看法]]，个人认为闽东语维基百科需要一个重大的改革来改变现状。 [[用戶:FradonStar|FradonStar]] ([[用戶討論:FradonStar|tō̤-lâung]]) 2023 nièng 12 nguŏk 18 hô̤ (B1) 18:46 (UTC) ::在下看完了，在下的評價是：在下會講[[福州話]]，這裡面寫的內容在下都可以用福州話的語法套進去。在下覺得沒必要為什麼要反對閩東語維基百科？雖然閩東語確實是小語種，但不能否認不存在。再加上在下小時候的家族和身邊事物全都是大講福州話的環境。禮拜三放學以後經常聽到樓下班級練習[[十番|十番音樂]]，家族老人聽[[閩劇]]和[[評話]]，福州老人去世也是非常傳統的福州做七法，甚至就連在下的老師和在下的家長交流都是用福州話，在下深受'''閩都文化'''的熏陶和影響。福州話對在下來講已經是在下DNA不可分割的一部分，但是現在為什麼要被長期受外江囝思想蠱惑而無愛閩都福州家鄉意識形態的人所影響？如果閣下在福州上學，想必或多或少有宣誓過或聽過：『不给他人添麻烦　做文明有礼的福州人』吧？這篇文章簡直就是在給在下跟所有的福州民系和福州儂添麻煩，還是大麻煩，本來福州話就不怎麼受眾了現在還要被這麼污名化，同時也好不容易盼到這幾年福州政府保護福州話的新聞和政策，也有代表提出保護福州話，甚至海峽出版社還出了『福州話正音字典』。你倒好，你不會聽不怎麼會將然後就要開倒車？你這和那些極端北囝說必須消滅全國所有方言必須全部都說普通話有什麼區別？在下覺得真沒必要因為閣下看不懂而去覺得這個維基百科不允許存在吧？？？ [[用戶:SakuraYuki-233|SakuraYuki-233]] ([[用戶討論:SakuraYuki-233|tō̤-lâung]]) 2023 nièng 12 nguŏk 19 hô̤ (B2) 12:33 (UTC) ::原文我在中維已發布了，在這裏轉載一下： ::<br> ::作為一名粵語維基編輯者，看了你有關中文方言維基百科的論述，請容許我提出我的意見： ::首先我認為粵語和你說的閩南語、閩東語、吳語等是'''一樣'''的，不存在粵語是語言而閩東語不是語言，'''有沒有書面語根本不是定義一門語言的必要條件''' ，美洲澳洲原住民甚至很多國内少數民族語言千年來都是口耳相傳沒有書面語，你能否認它們是語言嗎？其次，只要稍微了解過所謂漢語「方言」，你會發現其實不止粵語有書寫系統，連閩語吳語這些都有，甚至有用方言字寫的文學作品，閩語參考《[[荔鏡記]]》，吳語參考《[[海上花列傳]]》，更不用提傳教士創造的各種羅馬字，並將這些羅馬字用於聖經及其他文本創作中，難道這些不叫書面化嗎？只是粵語因為其政治歷史等原因令它的書寫系統有一定群眾基礎，但即便是以粵語為大部分人母語的港澳地區同樣也沒有系統的粵語教學，粵語維基用的粵語字也只是民間約定俗成的俗字，本質上與閩東語無異。更何況，閩東語的用字有依有據，又有方言詞典作參考，你說你「閱讀起條目都會非常困難」，不就是因為你沒有好好了解你的母語嗎？試想像一個情境：一個海外華人在英語環境長大，但從小到大耳濡目染會說普通話，卻不懂看不懂寫漢字，因此表達上更傾向於說普通話而非寫，有一天他看到用漢字寫的中文維基，然後說沒有辦法閱讀，因此中文維基不應存在」這不是很荒謬嗎？'''你應該質疑為什麼使用閩東語的人沒有形成用閩東語書寫的習慣，或者質疑為什麼自己不去了解自己母語的書寫系統，而不是去質疑閩東語維基存在的合理性'''。如果羅馬字像你口中所說「沒有任何群眾基礎可言」，又怎會有上萬篇用羅馬字寫的文章？你希望這些由對閩東語抱有熱誠並為之貢獻的人所付出的心血毀於一旦嗎？難道說其他語言的人不用學那門語言的書寫系統嗎？他們也並非一出生就會，你自己不去了解不去學怪誰？ ::還有你提及「''既然所有閱讀cdowiki的用戶都會標準中文，那他們為什麼不去範圍更廣、質量更有保障的中文維基百科去了解他們所需要的內容呢？''」，首先維基百科開設一門語言版本並不考慮該語言使用群體對另一語言的掌握程度，而且在現今世界，大部分會看維基的人多多少少會看懂英語維基文章，英語維基還範圍更廣、質量更有保障，為甚麼其他語言版本還要存在？正正因為'''你無法假設說閩東語的人不想看用閩東語寫的文章，同樣無法假設說閩東語的人不想用自己母語來書寫，所以它才要存在'''。而且你這種論述有考慮過少數民族語言嗎？依現在的推普政策，維吾爾族藏族不論什麼少數民族年輕一輩都能說一口流利普通話，那麼維語藏語維基是不是也要關閉？苗族侗族壯族是不是不配閲讀用自己民族語言寫的維基百科文章？面對這些連語系都不同的語言，你怎樣把它兼併進「詞典」？ ::而且你提及閩東語維基百科「沒有成體系、行之有效的管理系統」，其實你只要打開[[metawiki:List_of_Wikipedias|維基百科列表]] ，你會發現三百多種語言版本中有70%以上符合你說的「實際運營者不過寥寥數人」這些條件，那麼這二百多種語言是否又要刪除？即便像中文這樣的大型維基，也同樣存在「編輯與審查難以把控」，甚至原創研究，具體參考「[[折毛事件]]」，維基百科作為人人可編輯的百科，而人又不可能二十四小時監察着，加上知識有限，必然導致這種現象，而相對小眾的語言版本當然這種現象會更明顯，但這些語言版本通常有全域管理員介入，你若因此而不允許這些相對小眾語言的存在，對這些語言的母語者極不公平。再者，從這列表中可看到現時閩東語維基百科有一萬六千篇條目，在326種語言中也排136名，這已超越了60%的其他語言版本，以母語者來說，閩東語也有幾百萬（雖然斷代得非常迅速），但這相比起其他語言已經算發展得不錯，臺灣原住民語言撒奇萊雅語只有'''500名'''母語者，也在當地教育部支持下投入條目創建，最終成立了撒奇萊雅語維基百科，到現在你竟然說閩東語維基百科「幾乎沒有意義」，甚至希望所有中文「方言」版本的維基百科通通消失，真令人匪夷所思。 ::你「難以信任cdowiki的權威性、準確性，讀起條目也非常費解」，你大可不讀，你喜歡中文維基你便待在那裏，但你亦沒有權利因此而關閉閩東語維基百科，因為同時亦有人希望用閩東語來寫文章，亦有人不斷改善閩東語維基百科條目的質量、權威性和準確性。還有，閩東語維基百科的設立不是維基媒體基金會的決定，而是由一眾閩東語使用者共同貢獻的成果，現時絕大部分的國内少數民族語言都沒有相應的維基百科版本，彝語維基百科亦被搬去維基孵育器了，這正正是因為沒有人為它們貢獻。所以'''維基媒體基金會並不是在保護語言，而是在尊重各語言母語者書寫自己母語的權利''' ，同時亦給予了你――一個只會說但不會寫閩東語的使用者――用自己母語書寫的機會。 ::你有沒有想過，會否正是有閣下這樣的希望這些語言版本的維基百科通通消失的人，才導致有一部份人走向另一極端，「用主張把閩東語乃至漢字徹底羅馬化」，從而突顯自身獨特性，不被「中文維基」所吞噬？粵語維基在始創之時亦屢受批評，認為「會看粵語白話文的人同樣看懂書面語」，從而同樣認為粵語維基沒必要存在，因此希望閣下將心比己，漢語的多樣性本來就不高，很多方言都苦於沒有書寫系統，現在閩東語因緣際會下能以漢字和平話字完整書寫表達，你還要扼殺其存在，實在有過份之處。 [[用戶:澳|澳]] ([[用戶討論:澳|tō̤-lâung]]) 2023 nièng 12 nguŏk 19 hô̤ (B2) 15:04 (UTC) :::您說得特別好。 --[[用戶:Davidzdh|<font color="#008B8B">Davidzdh</font>]] ([[User talk:Davidzdh|攀講/Păng-gōng]]) 2023 nièng 12 nguŏk 19 hô̤ (B2) 17:34 (UTC) ::並且我著指出，實際懸頂閩東語維基'''可以用'''自家其腔寫文章，汝其腔會算閩東語就會使。 ::我稠稠看見「蜀隻」+抽象名詞這樣款其表達，不過按我自家其腔，抽象名詞前斗著使「芘」這芘量詞。佪我也無看見有儂講世乇，大家儂都相安無事。 ::其實都會使了哇，「有容乃大」就是講者事。悗算當真有分歧，見覺這樣款寫儥好，許樣款寫會好，儂家聚大樹下𡅏討論囇，掏出方案就會使了。汝㑚無這樣款寫字其地方，連屈蜀堆講方案其機會都無。維基就是乞儂家盡寶貴其機會，確認儂家書寫其傳統，演化儂家其書寫，民主化儂家其平話字。 ::辭典當然盡去野重要，辭典是任何蜀芘語文其生態臺中其基礎建設。㑚是講，㑚有辭典無[[sĕng-mêng |活命]]。嚽著有儂使正有乇使。百科、新聞等等就是提供「用」其機會了哇。 --[[用戶:Davidzdh|<font color="#008B8B">Davidzdh</font>]] ([[User talk:Davidzdh|攀講/Păng-gōng]]) 2023 nièng 12 nguŏk 19 hô̤ (B2) 17:59 (UTC) ::@[[User:FradonStar|FradonStar]] ::# 关于你对粤语的特殊化，这是非常荒唐的谣言。无论是粤语还是闽东语，都是语言。请看国际标准 ISO 639-3 里面的 [https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/zho 这个] 页面，里面写着 Chinese is a macrolanguage （汉语是“宏语言”）。然后，下面这些才算是语言（language）：闽东语（Min Dong Chinese）、晋语（Jinyu Chinese）、官语（Mandarin Chinese）、莆仙语（Pu-Xian Chinese）、徽语（Huizhou Chinese）、闽中语（Min Zhong Chinese）、赣语（Gan Chinese）、客家话（Hakka Chinese）、湘语（Xiang Chinese）、文言文（Literary Chinese）、闽北语（Min Bei Chinese）、闽南语（Min Nan Chinese）、吴语（Wu Chinese)、粤语（Yue Chinese）、桂北平话（Northern Ping Chinese）、桂南平话（Southern Ping Chinese）。 ::# 至于你说的「从建设上说，cdowiki缺乏中英文维基百科这样成体系、行之有效的管理系统，容易偏离维基百科最基本的初衷」。那么请问你如何看待 [[:sco:|苏格兰英语维基百科]]、[[:la:|拉丁语维基百科]]、[[:ang:|古英语维基百科]]、[https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/grc/%CE%9A%CF%85%CF%81%CE%AF%CE%B1_%CE%94%CE%AD%CE%BB%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%82 古希腊语维基百科]呢？苏格兰英语已经是快死的英语方言了。拉丁语、古英语、古希腊语更是已经死的语言了。其实很多语言的条目都比闽东语维基百科少很多很多。你是不是也认为「缺乏中英文维基百科这样成体系、行之有效的管理系统，容易偏离维基百科最基本的初衷」呢？ ::# 关于你说的「闽东语过分“散装”，以“闽东语维基百科”称呼这个百科项目本身就很荒谬」，那你如何看待[[:ar:|阿拉伯语维基百科]]呢？提醒一下，这个更散装，比闽东语维基百科散装几百倍以上。有人写书面阿拉伯语（Fusha），有人写埃及阿拉伯语（Masri），两种语言差异巨大，相互听不懂，相当于普通话与粤语的差异。你是否也觉得「阿拉伯语过分“散装”，以“阿拉伯语维基百科”称呼这个百科项目本身就很荒谬」呢？ ::# 最后，闽东语维基词典在 [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/cdo/T%C3%A0u-hi%C4%95k 这里] ，欢迎去编辑。还有一个[https://www.ydict.net/ 榕典]，欢迎提供新词条。 ::[[用戶:Yejianfei|Yejianfei]] ([[用戶討論:Yejianfei|tō̤-lâung]]) 2023 nièng 12 nguŏk 23 hô̤ (B6) 17:16 (UTC) :::阿拉伯話維基百科居然是這樣款，野有味。今旦頭蜀回會八。佪都這樣款了，儂家平話維基百科寫各種閩東語應該當也無問題也。 --[[用戶:Davidzdh|<font color="#008B8B">Davidzdh</font>]] ([[User talk:Davidzdh|攀講/Păng-gōng]]) 2023 nièng 12 nguŏk 24 hô̤ (LB) 19:33 (UTC) :其實社羣裏勢[[Wikipedia:Du%C3%A2i_ch%C3%A9u_%C3%A2/Archive_2|盡早就有共識去了]]。儂家所有希望平話維基好其，都使了野価年做推進。敆煞是塞着[https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139010 Phabricator]𡅏無的推進。 :界面，儂家無權力，無奈何。講遘「重大的變革」，社羣裏勢介蔣蔣做世乇重大變革都革儥着，因爲伓是儂家這所會使做其。衹好先做自家會使做遘其。 :講遘我自家觀點，我見覺羅馬字共漢字都野寶貴，都有意義。 --[[用戶:Davidzdh|<font color="#008B8B">Davidzdh</font>]] ([[User talk:Davidzdh|攀講/Păng-gōng]]) 2023 nièng 12 nguŏk 19 hô̤ (B2) 12:54 (UTC) ::我支持汝！中意汝其看法！ [[用戶:SakuraYuki-233|SakuraYuki-233]] ([[用戶討論:SakuraYuki-233|tō̤-lâung]]) 2023 nièng 12 nguŏk 19 hô̤ (B2) 16:06 (UTC) ::閩語漢字共羅馬字都是野重要其，閩語漢字為主，羅馬字為做為拼音為輔，嚽才是無賺其！ [[用戶:SakuraYuki-233|SakuraYuki-233]] ([[用戶討論:SakuraYuki-233|tō̤-lâung]]) 2023 nièng 12 nguŏk 19 hô̤ (B2) 16:11 (UTC) ::我提議把那篇文章進行刪除討論並且進行並對那位閣下進行警告！維基百科講究的就是以福州'''[[林則徐]]'''大人提倡的『'''海納百川　有容乃大'''』[https://zh.wiktionary.org/wiki/海納百川，有容乃大]其精神。那篇文章已經嚴重破壞了我作為一個'''福州民系'''和從出生到現在二十多年的'''福州人'''的民族情結。建議立即刪除並警告！更何況，『'''海納百川　有容乃大'''』不僅是福州的城市精神，也同時是所有維基百科的宗旨。這位閣下就是在褻瀆林則徐，褻瀆福州和福州精神，同時更是褻瀆了以『'''海納百川　有容乃大'''』為宗旨的維基百科！我是福州人，我支持刪除並警告這位閣下！ 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