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Editors and sysops may follow the policies proposed here at their own discretion. <b>Please edit this page or make a comment on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikiquote_talk:Don%27t_disrupt_Wikiquote_to_make_a_point&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikiquote talk:Don't disrupt Wikiquote to make a point (page does not exist)">Wikiquote talk:Don't disrupt Wikiquote to make a point</a></b>. </p><p><small class="editlink"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Policydraft&action=edit">Edit +/-</a></small> </p> </div> <table class="wikitable" style="margin: 0 0 0 1em; border: 1px solid navy;" align="right" width="175px"> <tbody><tr> <th><big>Wikiquote Policies and Guidelines</big> </th></tr> <tr> <th>Content </th></tr> <tr> <td> <ul><li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Wikiquote" title="Wikiquote:Wikiquote">Wikiquote</a></small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:General_disclaimer" title="Wikiquote:General disclaimer">General disclaimer</a></small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Image_use_policy" title="Wikiquote:Image use policy">Image use policy</a></small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikiquote:Neutral point of view">Neutral point of view</a></small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Quotes_by_living_persons" title="Wikiquote:Quotes by living persons">Quotes by living persons</a></small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:What_Wikiquote_is_not" title="Wikiquote:What Wikiquote is not">Wikiquote is not...</a></small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Sourced_and_Unsourced_sections" title="Wikiquote:Sourced and Unsourced sections">Sourcing categories</a> (guideline)</small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Fictional_characters" title="Wikiquote:Fictional characters">Fictional characters</a> (guideline)</small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Quotability" title="Wikiquote:Quotability">Quotability</a> (guideline)</small></li></ul> </td></tr> <tr> <th>Conduct </th></tr> <tr> <td> <ul><li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Assume_good_faith" title="Wikiquote:Assume good faith">Assume good faith</a> (guideline)</small></li></ul> </td></tr> <tr> <th>Operation </th></tr> <tr> <td> <ul><li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Blocking_policy" title="Wikiquote:Blocking policy">Blocking policy</a></small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Bots" title="Wikiquote:Bots">Bots</a></small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Deletion_policy" title="Wikiquote:Deletion policy">Deletion policy</a></small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:GNU_FDL" title="Wikiquote:GNU FDL">GNU FDL</a></small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Policies_and_guidelines" title="Wikiquote:Policies and guidelines">Policies and Guidelines</a></small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikiquote:Proposed deletion">Proposed deletion</a></small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Speedy_deletions" title="Wikiquote:Speedy deletions">Speedy deletions</a></small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Username_policy" title="Wikiquote:Username policy">Username policy</a></small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Babel" title="Wikiquote:Babel">Babel</a> (guideline)</small></li> <li><small><a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Stub" title="Wikiquote:Stub">Stub</a> (guideline)</small></li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="State_your_point;_don't_prove_it_experimentally" data-mw-thread-id="h-State_your_point;_don't_prove_it_experimentally"><span id="State_your_point.3B_don.27t_prove_it_experimentally"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-State_your_point;_don't_prove_it_experimentally"></span>State your point; don't prove it experimentally<span data-mw-comment-end="h-State_your_point;_don't_prove_it_experimentally"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikiquote:Don%27t_disrupt_Wikiquote_to_make_a_point&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: State your point; don't prove it experimentally"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Discussion, rather than unilateral action, is the preferred means of changing policies, and the preferred mechanism for demonstrating the problem with policies. This means that an individual who opposes the state of a current rule or policy should not attempt to create in the Wikiquote itself proof that the rule does not work. </p><p>In the past, many contributors have found their <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikistress" class="extiw" title="m:Wikistress">Wikistress</a> levels rising, particularly when an issue important to them has been handled in a way they consider unfair. The contributor may point out inconsistencies, perhaps citing other cases that have been handled differently. And the contributor may postulate: "What if everyone did that?" </p><p>In this situation, it may be tempting to illustrate a point using either <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/parody" class="extiw" title="w:parody">parody</a> or some form of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/breaching_experiment" class="extiw" title="w:breaching experiment">breaching experiment</a>. For example, the contributor may apply the decision to other issues in a way that mirrors the policy the contributor objects to. These activities are generally <b>disruptive</b>: i.e., they require the vast majority of nonpartisan editors to clean up after the "proof". </p><p>In general, such illustrative edits are not well-received and are strongly opposed by those who believe them to be ineffective tools of persuasion. Many readers consider such techniques to be spiteful and unencyclopedic, as passers-by are caught in the crossfire of edits that are not made in good faith, and which, indeed, are designed to provoke outrage and opposition. As a general rule, points are best expressed directly, without irony or indirection. Direct statements are the best way to garner respect, agreement and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" class="extiw" title="w:Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Gaming_the_system" data-mw-thread-id="h-Gaming_the_system"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Gaming_the_system"></span>Gaming the system<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Gaming_the_system"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikiquote:Don%27t_disrupt_Wikiquote_to_make_a_point&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Gaming the system"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><b>Gaming the system</b> is the use of Wikiquote rules to thwart Wikiquote policy. In many cases, gaming the system is a form of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disruption" class="extiw" title="w:Wikipedia:Disruption">disruption</a>. </p><p>A simple example would be obstinately reverting an edit exactly 3 times a day, and then "innocently" maintaining that no rules are being violated. The three-revert rule should not be construed as an entitlement to revert, and doing so is regarded as a disruption of Wikiquote operations. In fact, gaming the system in this way, over a prolonged period of time, is likely to lead to sanctions, and, in extreme cases, a permanent <a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Blocking_policy" title="Wikiquote:Blocking policy">ban</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Examples" data-mw-thread-id="h-Examples"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Examples"></span>Examples<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Examples"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikiquote:Don%27t_disrupt_Wikiquote_to_make_a_point&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Examples"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>If</b> somebody suggests that Wikiquote should become a majority-rule democratic community... <ul><li><b>do</b> point out that it is entirely possible for Wikiquotians to create <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet" class="extiw" title="w:Internet sock puppet">sock puppets</a> and vote more than once.</li> <li><b>don't</b> create seven sock puppets and have them all agree with you.</li></ul></li> <li><b>If</b> someone creates an article on what you believe to be a silly topic, and the community disagrees with your assessment on <a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Votes_for_deletion" title="Wikiquote:Votes for deletion">Wikiquote:Votes for deletion</a>... <ul><li><b>do</b> make your case clearly on VfD, pointing to examples of articles that would be allowable under the rules the community is applying.</li> <li><b>don't</b> create an article on an entirely silly topic just to get it listed on VfD.</li></ul></li> <li><b>If</b> someone lists one of your favorite articles on VfD and calls it <i>silly</i>, and you believe that there are hundreds of sillier legitimate articles... <ul><li><b>do</b> state your case on VfD in favor of the article, pointing out that it is no more silly than many other articles, and listing one or two examples.</li> <li><b>don't</b> list hundreds of non-deletable articles on VfD in one day in order to try to save your own.</li></ul></li> <li><b>If</b> an article you've nominated for deletion on VfD is not deleted... <ul><li><b>do</b> reconsider whether your nomination was justified.</li> <li><b>don't</b> frivolously nominate inane quotes from the article for <a href="/wiki/Wikiquote:Quote_of_the_day" title="Wikiquote:Quote of the day">Quote of the Day</a>.</li></ul></li> <li><b>If</b> someone deletes a quote you consider to be important from an article, calling it <i>unimportant</i>... <ul><li><b>do</b> argue on the article's talk page for the quote's inclusion, pointing out other examples of where similar quotes have been included.</li> <li><b>don't</b> delete all the quotes from the article, calling them <i>unimportant</i>.</li></ul></li> <li><b>If</b> you wish to change an existing procedure or guideline... <ul><li><b>do</b> set up a discussion page and try to establish consensus</li> <li><b>don't</b> push the existing rule to its limits in an attempt to prove it wrong, or nominate the existing rule for deletion</li></ul></li> <li><b>If</b> you feel that a particular attack should not be called "terrorist"... <ul><li><b>do</b> argue on the article's talk page that the term "terrorist" is POV and should be removed.</li> <li><b>don't</b> add the word "terrorist" to articles on dozens of other incidents, which only some people believe constitute "terrorism".</li></ul></li></ul> <p>Egregious disruption of any kind is blockable by any administrator — for up to one month in the case of repeat offenses that are highly disruptive. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hoaxes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hoaxes"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hoaxes"></span>Hoaxes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hoaxes"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikiquote:Don%27t_disrupt_Wikiquote_to_make_a_point&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Hoaxes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>On a related note, please don't attempt to put misinformation into Wikiquote to test our ability to detect and remove it. 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