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Dingley/Archive 2014 (page does not exist)">/Archive 2014</a></dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andy_Dingley/Archive_2015&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Andy Dingley/Archive 2015 (page does not exist)">/Archive 2015</a></dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andy_Dingley/Archive_2016&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Andy Dingley/Archive 2016 (page does not exist)">/Archive 2016</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley/Archive_2017" title="User talk:Andy Dingley/Archive 2017">/Archive 2017</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley/Archive_2018" title="User talk:Andy Dingley/Archive 2018">/Archive 2018</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley/Archive_2019" title="User talk:Andy Dingley/Archive 2019">/Archive 2019</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley/Archive_2020" title="User talk:Andy Dingley/Archive 2020">/Archive 2020</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley/Archive_2021" title="User talk:Andy Dingley/Archive 2021">/Archive 2021</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley/Archive_2022" title="User talk:Andy Dingley/Archive 2022">/Archive 2022</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley/Archive_2023" title="User talk:Andy Dingley/Archive 2023">/Archive 2023</a></dd></dl> </div> <p>Andy... again?! after all this time? <a href="/wiki/User:Riventree" title="User:Riventree">Riventree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Riventree" title="User talk:Riventree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley#c-Riventree-20240108234900-Archives" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Riventree-20240108234900-Archives"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Riventree-20240108234900-Archives"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nomination_of_Bridge_rail_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nomination_of_Bridge_rail_for_deletion"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nomination_of_Bridge_rail_for_deletion"></span>Nomination of <a href="/wiki/Bridge_rail" class="mw-redirect" title="Bridge rail">Bridge rail</a> for deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nomination_of_Bridge_rail_for_deletion"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andy_Dingley&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Nomination of Bridge rail for deletion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span></div><p>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article <b><a href="/wiki/Bridge_rail" class="mw-redirect" title="Bridge rail">Bridge rail</a></b> is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies_and_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines">Wikipedia's policies and guidelines</a> or whether it should be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">deleted</a>. </p><p>The article will be discussed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bridge_rail" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bridge rail">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bridge rail</a> until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. </p><p>Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rolls-Royce_C_Range_Diesels" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rolls-Royce_C_Range_Diesels"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rolls-Royce_C_Range_Diesels"></span>Rolls-Royce C Range Diesels<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rolls-Royce_C_Range_Diesels"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andy_Dingley&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Rolls-Royce C Range Diesels"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hi Andy </p><p>You may remember some years ago (2015?) we had a conversation about the correct title for Rolls-Royce C type diesels - "Range" or "Series". I did mange to find a photo on the www of an RR engine makes plate. This shows that they are "C Range". You can find the photo on the following page: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.trms.org.au/rm_engine_frame.htm">https://www.trms.org.au/rm_engine_frame.htm</a> </p><p>Regards Bruce </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Internally_riffled_boiler_tubes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Internally_riffled_boiler_tubes"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Internally_riffled_boiler_tubes"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">Speedy deletion</a> nomination of <a href="/wiki/Internally_riffled_boiler_tubes" class="mw-redirect" title="Internally riffled boiler tubes">Internally riffled boiler tubes</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Internally_riffled_boiler_tubes"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andy_Dingley&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Speedy deletion nomination of Internally riffled boiler tubes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>A tag has been placed on <a href="/wiki/Internally_riffled_boiler_tubes" class="mw-redirect" title="Internally riffled boiler tubes">Internally riffled boiler tubes</a> requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#R3" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion</a>, because it is a recently created redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer, or other unlikely search term. </p><p>If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may <b>contest the nomination</b> by <a href="/wiki/Internally_riffled_boiler_tubes" class="mw-redirect" title="Internally riffled boiler tubes">visiting the page</a> and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies" title="Wikipedia:List of policies">Wikipedia's policies and guidelines</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_Page_Patrol_newsletter_October_2022" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_Page_Patrol_newsletter_October_2022"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_Page_Patrol_newsletter_October_2022"></span>New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_Page_Patrol_newsletter_October_2022"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andy_Dingley&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hello Andy Dingley, </p> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:New_page_reviewer_of_the_year_cup.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/New_page_reviewer_of_the_year_cup.svg/120px-New_page_reviewer_of_the_year_cup.svg.png" decoding="async" width="120" height="114" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/New_page_reviewer_of_the_year_cup.svg/180px-New_page_reviewer_of_the_year_cup.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/New_page_reviewer_of_the_year_cup.svg/240px-New_page_reviewer_of_the_year_cup.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="486"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Coordination/2022_WMF_letter" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Coordination/2022 WMF letter">open letter</a> finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-09-30/In_focus" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-09-30/In focus">current issue of <i>The Signpost</i></a>. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section. </p><p><b>Awards</b>: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MPGuy2824">MPGuy2824</a></span>), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:John_B123">John B123</a></span> for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Awards" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Awards">Awards page</a>. Check out the new <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Awards#NPP_Hall_of_Fame" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Awards">Hall of Fame</a> also. </p><p><b>Software news</b>: <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae">Novem Linguae</a></span> and <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MPGuy2824">MPGuy2824</a></span> have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Suggested_improvements/Phab_tickets#Closed_tickets" title="Wikipedia:Page Curation/Suggested improvements/Phab tickets">here</a>. The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Top_new_article_reviewers" title="Wikipedia:Database reports/Top new article reviewers">reviewer report</a> has also been improved. </p> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:2022-10-16_NPP_backlog_chart.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/2022-10-16_NPP_backlog_chart.jpg/450px-2022-10-16_NPP_backlog_chart.jpg" decoding="async" width="450" height="235" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/2022-10-16_NPP_backlog_chart.jpg/675px-2022-10-16_NPP_backlog_chart.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/2022-10-16_NPP_backlog_chart.jpg/900px-2022-10-16_NPP_backlog_chart.jpg 2x" data-file-width="963" data-file-height="502"/></a><figcaption>NPP backlog May – October 15, 2022</figcaption></figure> <p><b>Suggestions</b>: </p> <ul><li>There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".</li> <li>Reminder: <i>an article should not be tagged for any kind of deletion for a minimum of 15 minutes after creation and it is often appropriate to wait an hour or more.</i> (from the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol#Care" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol">NPP tutorial</a>)</li> <li>Reviewers should focus their effort where it can do the most good, reviewing articles. Other clean-up tasks that don't require advanced permissions can be left to other editors that routinely improve articles in these ways (creating Talk Pages, specifying projects and ratings, adding categories, etc.) Let's rely on others when it makes the most sense. On the other hand, if you enjoy doing these tasks while reviewing and it keeps you engaged with NPP (or are guiding a newcomer), then by all means continue.</li> <li>This <a href="/wiki/User:Lourdes/PageCuration" title="User:Lourdes/PageCuration">user script</a> puts a link to the feed in your top toolbar.</li></ul> <p><b>Backlog</b>:</p><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Everlasting_Fireworks_looped.gif" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Everlasting_Fireworks_looped.gif/80px-Everlasting_Fireworks_looped.gif" decoding="async" width="80" height="74" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Everlasting_Fireworks_looped.gif/120px-Everlasting_Fireworks_looped.gif 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Everlasting_Fireworks_looped.gif/160px-Everlasting_Fireworks_looped.gif 2x" data-file-width="371" data-file-height="345"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Backlog_drives/October_2022" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/October 2022">October backlog drive</a> to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate! </p><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239549316">.mw-parser-output .refbegin{margin-bottom:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .refbegin-hanging-indents>ul{margin-left:0}.mw-parser-output .refbegin-hanging-indents>ul>li{margin-left:0;padding-left:3.2em;text-indent:-3.2em}.mw-parser-output .refbegin-hanging-indents ul,.mw-parser-output .refbegin-hanging-indents ul li{list-style:none}@media(max-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .refbegin-hanging-indents>ul>li{padding-left:1.6em;text-indent:-1.6em}}.mw-parser-output .refbegin-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .refbegin-columns ul{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .refbegin-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .refbegin{font-size:90%}}</style><div class="refbegin" style=""> <dl><dt>Reminders</dt></dl> <ul><li>Newsletter feedback - please take this <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Newsletter" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Newsletter">short poll</a> about the newsletter.</li> <li>If you're interested in instant messaging and chat rooms, please join us on the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://discordapp.com/invite/heF3xPu">New Page Patrol Discord</a>, where you can ask for help and live chat with other patrollers.</li> <li>Please add <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers">the project discussion page</a> to your watchlist.</li> <li>If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be a reviewer, please ask any admin to remove you from the group. If you want the tools back again, just ask at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions" title="Wikipedia:Requests for permissions">PERM</a>.</li> <li>To opt out of future mailings, please remove yourself <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Newsletter_list" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Newsletter list">here</a>.</li></ul> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_Pages_Patrol_newsletter_January_2023" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_Pages_Patrol_newsletter_January_2023"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_Pages_Patrol_newsletter_January_2023"></span>New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_Pages_Patrol_newsletter_January_2023"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andy_Dingley&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div style="border:2px solid #90C0FF; background:#F0F0FF; width:99%; padding:4px"> <table style="float: right; border: 1px solid #BBB; background: #FFFFFF;"> <tbody><tr><td></td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Hello Andy Dingley, </p> <table style="float: right;"> </table> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Npp_backlog_2022-Dec.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Npp_backlog_2022-Dec.jpg/400px-Npp_backlog_2022-Dec.jpg" decoding="async" width="400" height="232" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Npp_backlog_2022-Dec.jpg/600px-Npp_backlog_2022-Dec.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Npp_backlog_2022-Dec.jpg/800px-Npp_backlog_2022-Dec.jpg 2x" data-file-width="861" data-file-height="500"/></a><figcaption>New Page Review queue December 2022</figcaption></figure> <dl><dt>Backlog</dt></dl> <p>The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WaddlesJP13">WaddlesJP13</a></span> who led with 2084 points. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Backlog_drives/October_2022" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/October 2022">this page</a> for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day. </p> <dl><dt>2022 Awards</dt></dl> <figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:New_page_reviewer_of_the_year_cup.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/New_page_reviewer_of_the_year_cup.svg/74px-New_page_reviewer_of_the_year_cup.svg.png" decoding="async" width="74" height="70" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/New_page_reviewer_of_the_year_cup.svg/111px-New_page_reviewer_of_the_year_cup.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/New_page_reviewer_of_the_year_cup.svg/148px-New_page_reviewer_of_the_year_cup.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="486"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Onel5969">Onel5969</a></span> won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosguill">Rosguill</a></span> led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Awards" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Awards">Awards page</a> and the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Awards#NPP_Hall_of_Fame" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Awards">Hall of Fame</a>. Congratulations everyone! </p><p><b>Minimum deletion time</b>: The previous <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP">WP:NPP</a> guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLAR">WP:BLAR</a>). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the <a href="/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed" title="Special:NewPagesFeed">feed</a> are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.) </p><p><b>New draftify script</b>: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly <a href="/wiki/Help:Unreviewed_new_page" title="Help:Unreviewed new page">explanation page</a>. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your <a href="/wiki/Special:MyPage/common.js" title="Special:MyPage/common.js">common.js</a> or vector.js file from <code>User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js</code> to <code>User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js</code><b></b> </p><p><b>Redirects</b>: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Redirects" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Redirects">this guide</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol#Redirect_checklist" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol">this checklist</a>, and spend some time at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFD">WP:RFD</a>. </p><p><b>Discussions with the WMF</b> The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Coordination/2022_WMF_letter" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Coordination/2022 WMF letter">PageTriage open letter</a> signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted <a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/q/repo:mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage%2Bis:merged%2BNOT%2Bauthor:Libraryupgrader%2BNOT%2Bauthor:L10n-bot%2Bbefore:2022-12-31" class="extiw" title="gerrit:q/repo:mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage+is:merged+NOT+author:Libraryupgrader+NOT+author:L10n-bot+before:2022-12-31">dozens of patches</a> in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae">Novem Linguae</a></span> and <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MPGuy2824">MPGuy2824</a></span> have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Growth_Team_features#Meeting_details" title="Wikipedia talk:Growth Team features">had a video conference</a> with the NPP coordinators to discuss <a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae/Drafts/New_landing_page_proposal" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Novem Linguae/Drafts/New landing page proposal">revamping the landing pages</a> that new users see. </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239549316"><div class="refbegin" style=""> <dl><dt>Reminders</dt></dl> <ul><li>Newsletter feedback - please take this <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Newsletter" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Newsletter">short poll</a> about the newsletter.</li> <li>There is live chat with patrollers on the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://discordapp.com/invite/heF3xPu">New Page Patrol Discord</a>.</li> <li>Please add <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers">the project discussion page</a> to your watchlist.</li> <li>If you no longer wish to be a reviewer, please ask any admin to remove you from the group. If you want the tools back again, just ask at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions" title="Wikipedia:Requests for permissions">PERM</a>.</li> <li>To opt out of future mailings, please remove yourself <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Newsletter_list" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Newsletter list">here</a>.</li></ul> </div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_Pages_Patrol_newsletter_June_2023" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_Pages_Patrol_newsletter_June_2023"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_Pages_Patrol_newsletter_June_2023"></span>New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_Pages_Patrol_newsletter_June_2023"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andy_Dingley&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div style="border:2px solid #90C0FF; background:#F0F0FF; width:99%; padding:4px"> <table style="float: right; border: 1px solid #BBB; background: #FFFFFF;"> <tbody><tr><td></td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Hello Andy Dingley, </p> <table style="float: right;"> </table> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:NPP_April-June_2023_backlog.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/NPP_April-June_2023_backlog.svg/400px-NPP_April-June_2023_backlog.svg.png" decoding="async" width="400" height="249" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/NPP_April-June_2023_backlog.svg/600px-NPP_April-June_2023_backlog.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/NPP_April-June_2023_backlog.svg/800px-NPP_April-June_2023_backlog.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="650" data-file-height="404"/></a><figcaption>New Page Review queue April to June 2023</figcaption></figure> <p><b>Backlog</b> </p><p><b>Redirect drive</b>: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with <b>23851</b> reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to <b>0</b> (momentarily). Congratulations to <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh">Hey man im josh</a></span> who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Meena">Meena</a></span> and <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Greyzxq">Greyzxq</a></span> with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Backlog_drives/May_2023" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/May 2023">this page</a> for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day. </p><p><b>Redirect autopatrol</b>: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Redirect_autopatrol_list#Requests" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Redirect autopatrol list">here</a>. </p><p><b>WMF work on PageTriage</b>: The <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Moderator_Tools" class="extiw" title="mw:Moderator Tools">WMF Moderator Tools team</a>, consisting of <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Samwalton9_(WMF)">Sam</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JSherman_(WMF)">Jason</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SCardenas_(WMF)">Susana</a></span>, and also some patches from <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_(WMF)">Jon</a></span>, has been hard at work <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/2023_Moderator_Tools_project" title="Wikipedia:Page Curation/2023 Moderator Tools project">updating PageTriage</a>. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in <a href="/wiki/Beta_test" class="mw-redirect" title="Beta test">beta test</a> where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of <a href="/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed" title="Special:NewPagesFeed">Special:NewPagesFeed</a>, to help find bugs. We will post more details at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:NPPR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:NPPR">WT:NPPR</a> when we are ready for beta testers. </p><p><b>Articles for Creation (AFC)</b>: All new page reviewers are now <b>automatically approved</b> for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:AFCP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:AFCP">WT:AFCP</a> like was required previously). To install the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFCH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFCH">AFC helper script</a>, visit <a href="/wiki/Special:Preferences" title="Special:Preferences">Special:Preferences</a>, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit <a href="/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed" title="Special:NewPagesFeed">Special:NewPagesFeed</a>, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script. </p><p>You can review the AFC workflow at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFCR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFCR">WP:AFCR</a>. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRAFTOBJECT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRAFTOBJECT">draftspace is optional</a>, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest. </p><p><b>Pro tip</b>: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SNG">SNG</a>? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARTIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARTIST">WP:ARTIST</a> 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums). </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239549316"><div class="refbegin" style=""> <p><b>Reminders</b> </p> <ul><li>Newsletter feedback - please take this <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Newsletter" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Newsletter">short poll</a> about the newsletter.</li> <li>There is live chat with patrollers on the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://discordapp.com/invite/heF3xPu">New Page Patrol Discord</a> and <span style="font-family: monospace,Courier; white-space: pre-wrap !important; word-wrap: break-word; max-width: 1200px; overflow: auto;">#wikimedia-npp</span> <sup class="plainlinks"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#wikimedia-npp"><span style="color:green;">connect</span></a></sup> on IRC.</li> <li>Please add <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers">the project discussion page</a> to your watchlist.</li> <li>To opt out of future mailings, please remove yourself <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Newsletter_list" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Newsletter list">here</a>.</li></ul> </div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Maersk_Hangzhou_has_an_RfC" data-mw-thread-id="h-Maersk_Hangzhou_has_an_RfC"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Maersk_Hangzhou_has_an_RfC"></span><a href="/wiki/Maersk_Hangzhou" title="Maersk Hangzhou">Maersk Hangzhou</a> has an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFC">RfC</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Maersk_Hangzhou_has_an_RfC"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andy_Dingley&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Maersk Hangzhou has an RfC"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span></div><p><b><a href="/wiki/Maersk_Hangzhou" title="Maersk Hangzhou">Maersk Hangzhou</a></b> has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the <b><a href="/wiki/Talk:Maersk_Hangzhou#RFC_about_WP:ONEEVENT" title="Talk:Maersk Hangzhou">discussion page</a></b>. Thank you. </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Arsenical_bronze" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arsenical_bronze-20240926224900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arsenical_bronze-20240926224900"></span>Arsenical bronze<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arsenical_bronze-20240926224900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andy_Dingley&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Arsenical bronze"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20240926224900-Arsenical_bronze"></span>The article is tagged as being in US English, and was in a mixture of both spellings. I've raised it at talk; I really don't mind which spelling is used, but it annoys me seeing the same words spelled two different ways in one article. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John" title="User talk:John">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley#c-John-20240926224900-Arsenical_bronze" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20240926224900-Arsenical_bronze"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20240926224900-Arsenical_bronze"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bluebird_K7" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bluebird_K7-20241005090800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bluebird_K7-20241005090800"></span><a href="/wiki/Bluebird_K7" title="Bluebird K7">Bluebird K7</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bluebird_K7-20241005090800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andy_Dingley&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Bluebird K7"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sooty655-20241005090800-Bluebird_K7"></span>Isn't this getting rather ridiculous? The paragraph you have restored bears little relevance to the topic. It is an opinion piece well pre-dating the events, and is of more relevance to a page on Bill Smith or on the Ruskin Museum rather than a page on Bluebird. That comment could also be applied to most of what has recently been added. The page is clearly becoming a battle-ground between warring factions. I suggest the page could usefully be split so that the original undisputed information up to and including the accident which claimed Donald Campbell's life is retained with a small final paragraph stating the wreck was recovered, restored and is displayed at Ruskin, and the rest is removed for possible inclusion in a page on Bill Smith if such is considered suitable. <a href="/wiki/User:Sooty655" title="User:Sooty655">Sooty655</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sooty655" title="User talk:Sooty655">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley#c-Sooty655-20241005090800-Bluebird_K7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sooty655-20241005090800-Bluebird_K7"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sooty655-20241005090800-Bluebird_K7"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andy_Dingley-20241005100200-Sooty655-20241005090800"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:80.3.122.252_reported_by_User:Andy_Dingley_(Result:_Blocked_one_month)" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring">WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:80.3.122.252 reported by User:Andy Dingley (Result: Blocked one month)</a></dd> <dd>Whatever the 'ridiculous' aspect of the content, that is 6RR edit warring.</dd> <dd>Now maybe the paragraph does indeed have little relevance to the topic. But that's something to sort out by <i>discussion</i> at the article talk:, not by edit-warring and then following editors to their own user talk pages to browbeat them individually. Maybe I could have been convinced by such an argument (certainly it's not the most important aspect of K7's history). But as a tactic to switch to only <i>after</i> a month's block on the simple edit warring account, when that approach failed? No. Not a convincing argument.</dd> <dd><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">"a small final paragraph stating the wreck was recovered, restored and is displayed at Ruskin"</q></dd> <dd>You mean <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bluebird_K7&diff=prev&oldid=1248113913">this edit</a> ? Was that you?</dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">possible inclusion in a page on Bill Smith</q></dd> <dd>You mean the page that's, once again, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bill_Smith_(underwater_search_sonar_expert" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bill Smith (underwater search sonar expert">up for deletion</a> and that you yourself are busy <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bluebird_K7&diff=prev&oldid=1247719423">removing the links to</a>? It would indeed be convenient to wrap all the non-Ruskin content into one bundle, pop it into a Bill Smith page and then delete that page! Problem solved and Ruskin / CFHT get all the credit.</dd> <dd>I don't understand the antipathy to Bill Smith on Wikipedia (OK, of course I do, I've been here long enough). But I don't understand antipathy to him from someone involved in a Vulcan preservation project? Whether he's a 'sonar search expert' or not, he achieved <i>amazing</i> results with the K7 rebuild. The Bill Smith article is justified just from that aspect. Will WP go after <a href="/wiki/Owen_Wyn_Owen" title="Owen Wyn Owen">Owen Wyn Owen</a> next? IMHO, the restoration part of K7 is every bit as interesting as its record-breaking history (and the article could still use more on the pre-'67 runs). <a href="/wiki/User:Andy_Dingley" title="User:Andy Dingley">Andy Dingley</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley#c-Andy_Dingley-20241005100200-Sooty655-20241005090800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andy_Dingley-20241005100200-Sooty655-20241005090800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andy_Dingley-20241005100200-Sooty655-20241005090800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_26" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_26-20241026195200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_26-20241026195200"></span>Disambiguation link notification for October 26<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_26-20241026195200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andy_Dingley&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Disambiguation link notification for October 26"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DPL_bot-20241026195200-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_26"></span>An automated process has detected that when you recently edited <a href="/wiki/Wanamaker,_Kempton_and_Southern_65" class="mw-redirect" title="Wanamaker, Kempton and Southern 65">Wanamaker, Kempton and Southern 65</a>, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page <a href="/wiki/Powerhouse" class="mw-disambig" title="Powerhouse">Powerhouse</a>. </p><p>(<a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot" title="User:DPL bot">Opt-out instructions</a>.) --<a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot" title="User:DPL bot">DPL bot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DPL_bot" title="User talk:DPL bot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley#c-DPL_bot-20241026195200-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DPL_bot-20241026195200-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_26"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DPL_bot-20241026195200-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_26"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Are_you_following_me_around?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Are_you_following_me_around?-20241029231900"><span id="Are_you_following_me_around.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Are_you_following_me_around?-20241029231900"></span>Are you following me around?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Are_you_following_me_around?-20241029231900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andy_Dingley&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Are you following me around?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TarnishedPath-20241029231900-Are_you_following_me_around?"></span>Your edit at <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1254199753" title="Special:Diff/1254199753">Special:Diff/1254199753</a> would indicate that you are following me. Is that the case? <i><a href="/wiki/User:TarnishedPath" title="User:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b></a></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarnishedPath" title="User talk:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley#c-TarnishedPath-20241029231900-Are_you_following_me_around?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:19, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TarnishedPath-20241029231900-Are_you_following_me_around?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TarnishedPath-20241029231900-Are_you_following_me_around?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andy_Dingley-20241029233700-TarnishedPath-20241029231900"></span>Don't flatter yourself. I was following <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Insomniac187&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Insomniac187 (page does not exist)">Insomniac187</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Insomniac187" title="User talk:Insomniac187">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Insomniac187" title="Special:Contributions/Insomniac187">contribs</a>)'s page creations, to see if any more of them had been unjustifiably blanked outside process. Imagine my <i>complete</i> surprise to find that you'd done this one too. <a href="/wiki/User:Andy_Dingley" title="User:Andy Dingley">Andy Dingley</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley#c-Andy_Dingley-20241029233700-TarnishedPath-20241029231900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andy_Dingley-20241029233700-TarnishedPath-20241029231900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andy_Dingley-20241029233700-TarnishedPath-20241029231900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TarnishedPath-20241029234300-Andy_Dingley-20241029233700"></span>Re-directing aritcles which don't have multiple reliable sources which have significant coverage is "outside process" now? <i><a href="/wiki/User:TarnishedPath" title="User:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b></a></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarnishedPath" title="User talk:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley#c-TarnishedPath-20241029234300-Andy_Dingley-20241029233700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TarnishedPath-20241029234300-Andy_Dingley-20241029233700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TarnishedPath-20241029234300-Andy_Dingley-20241029233700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andy_Dingley-20241030000900-TarnishedPath-20241029234300"></span>Seriously? I can't believe <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Union_Pacific_class_MK-1&diff=prev&oldid=1254216980">you just did this</a>. You won't even discuss this with an independent editor, you'd already moved it to draft: space (where articles go to die) rather than talk about it?</dd> <dd>Yes, your whole attitude is wrong. Absolutely and utterly wrong. <a href="/wiki/User:Andy_Dingley" title="User:Andy Dingley">Andy Dingley</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley#c-Andy_Dingley-20241030000900-TarnishedPath-20241029234300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:09, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andy_Dingley-20241030000900-TarnishedPath-20241029234300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andy_Dingley-20241030000900-TarnishedPath-20241029234300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TarnishedPath-20241030004300-Andy_Dingley-20241030000900"></span>The article is inappropriately sourced and I'm not certain that signficant coverage exists in multiple reliable sources. I certainly couldn't find any. Draftification or redirect are suitable as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ATD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ATD">WP:ATD</a>. 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