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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Shakespeare" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Shakespeare">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Shakespeare</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Shakespeare</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Shakespeare</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Shakespeare articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-high"><a href="/wiki/Category:High-importance_Shakespeare_articles" title="Category:High-importance Shakespeare articles">High</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>High-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Shakespeare/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Shakespeare/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Weird_name?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Weird_name?-2017-08-05T05:51:00.000Z"><span id="Weird_name.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Weird_name?-2017-08-05T05:51:00.000Z"></span>Weird name?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Weird_name?-2017-08-05T05:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Coriolanus&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Weird name?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thnidu-2017-08-05T05:51:00.000Z-Weird_name?"></span>Is it me or does "coriolanus" sound like it means "runka"? --<a href="/wiki/User:MichTheWeird" title="User:MichTheWeird">MichTheWeird</a> 28 June 2005 20:46 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:MichTheWeird" title="User:MichTheWeird">MichTheWeird</a>:</span> That depends. What does "runka" mean? --<a href="/wiki/User:Thnidu" title="User:Thnidu">Thnidu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thnidu" title="User talk:Thnidu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-Thnidu-2017-08-05T05:51:00.000Z-Weird_name?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:51, 5 August 2017 (UTC)</a> (smh)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thnidu-2017-08-05T05:51:00.000Z-Weird_name?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thnidu-2017-08-05T05:51:00.000Z-Weird_name?"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-08-05T06:01:00.000Z-Thnidu-2017-08-05T05:51:00.000Z"></span>We may never know since Mich hasn't edited since <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/MichTheWeird">December 2006</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-MarnetteD-2017-08-05T06:01:00.000Z-Thnidu-2017-08-05T05:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:01, 5 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-08-05T06:01:00.000Z-Thnidu-2017-08-05T05:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-08-05T06:01:00.000Z-Thnidu-2017-08-05T05:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tomiantenna-20230307141100-MarnetteD-2017-08-05T06:01:00.000Z"></span>Runka means jerking off in Swedish. It's a troll. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tomiantenna&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tomiantenna (page does not exist)">Tomiantenna</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tomiantenna&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Tomiantenna (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-Tomiantenna-20230307141100-MarnetteD-2017-08-05T06:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:11, 7 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tomiantenna-20230307141100-MarnetteD-2017-08-05T06:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tomiantenna-20230307141100-MarnetteD-2017-08-05T06:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pronunciation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pronunciation-2006-06-04T02:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pronunciation-2006-06-04T02:52:00.000Z"></span>Pronunciation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pronunciation-2006-06-04T02:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Coriolanus&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Pronunciation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CaptainCanada-2006-06-04T02:52:00.000Z-Pronunciation"></span>Does anyone know if the title is pronounced Coriolahnus or Coriolaynus? <a href="/wiki/User:Bravado01" title="User:Bravado01">Bravado</a> </p><p>Depends on where you come from. The Romans themselves most probably pronounced it Coriolahnus, with a long and open 'a', imagine the first vowel of 'up' lengthened. [Mehothra] </p><p>The actors in the Stratford production I just attended all pronounced it Coriolaynus. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:CaptainCanada&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:CaptainCanada (page does not exist)">CaptainCanada</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-CaptainCanada-2006-06-04T02:52:00.000Z-Pronunciation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CaptainCanada-2006-06-04T02:52:00.000Z-Pronunciation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CaptainCanada-2006-06-04T02:52:00.000Z-Pronunciation"></span> </p><p>Oh, I was hoping that wasn't the case. Oh well, I'll keep on trucking with Coriolahnus. I'm going to see that Stratford show soon anyways.Bravado 00:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Critical_Appraisal?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Critical_Appraisal?-2006-10-16T05:53:00.000Z"><span id="Critical_Appraisal.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Critical_Appraisal?-2006-10-16T05:53:00.000Z"></span>Critical Appraisal?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Critical_Appraisal?-2006-10-16T05:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Coriolanus&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Critical Appraisal?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.197.121.239-2006-10-16T05:53:00.000Z-Critical_Appraisal?"></span>Does the critical appraisal section really belong there? I saw that it's been flagged. It doesn't appear to be citing any published critical works, and it comes off as just one person's interpretation. It seems to me that it's a dodgy interpretation at that. Consider the following lines: </p><p>"Like Hamlet, the central relationship of the play is between a mother and her son, but in Coriolanus, this relationship is both less fractured and devoid of the sexual tension that exists between Gertrude and the danish prince." </p><p>Not only is it not uniform critical opinion that there is sexual tension between Hamlet and Gertrude, but the sexual tension between Coriolanus and his mother seems, to my mind, much more blatant. Consider the scene where she is introduced, and is constantly upbraiding his wife about her worrying, overtly stating that if she were her own son's wife, she would be proud of him. I'm sure any critic who does see sexual tension between Hamlet and Gertrude sees it between Coriolanus and Volumnia as well. I'm not really trying to get in a critical debate here, so much as point out that discussions of themes that are open to interpretation don't belong on an encyclopedia page. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:71.197.121.239&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:71.197.121.239 (page does not exist)">71.197.121.239</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-71.197.121.239-2006-10-16T05:53:00.000Z-Critical_Appraisal?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)</a>MOB<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.197.121.239-2006-10-16T05:53:00.000Z-Critical_Appraisal?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.197.121.239-2006-10-16T05:53:00.000Z-Critical_Appraisal?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Uncited_reference_to_being_banned" data-mw-thread-id="h-Uncited_reference_to_being_banned"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Uncited_reference_to_being_banned"></span>Uncited reference to being banned<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Uncited_reference_to_being_banned"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Coriolanus&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Uncited reference to being banned"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><i>Coriolanus has the singular distinction of being the only Shakespeare play banned in a democracy in modern times.[citation needed] It was briefly suppressed in France in the late 1930s due to its possible attraction to the far right.[citation needed]</i> </p><p>--- is this even true? Don Shewey's review in American Theatre, 1989 (see www.donshewey.com/theater_reviews/coriolanus.html) states that a run in the inter war years was cancelled following some riots, but there is no indication this meant a ban for all performances of the play in France, just a cancel of the run. Meanwhile, this article does state that the play was banned in Berlin by occupying forces just after WW2 - however, Germany at this time was presumably not a democracy so doesn't fit here either? --richiau </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removing_unnecessary_spoiler_tags" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removing_unnecessary_spoiler_tags-2007-05-17T03:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removing_unnecessary_spoiler_tags-2007-05-17T03:56:00.000Z"></span>Removing unnecessary spoiler tags<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removing_unnecessary_spoiler_tags-2007-05-17T03:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Coriolanus&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Removing unnecessary spoiler tags"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tony_Sidaway-2007-05-17T03:56:00.000Z-Removing_unnecessary_spoiler_tags"></span>Most of the articles about Shakespeare plays have a clearly marked section labelled "Synopsis" in which the plot is discussed. It's really unnecessary, and quite insulting, to put a further warning directly beneath that. These are well established plays and people come to read about them. When they see that the article contains a synopsis, they're not going to be surprised because this is an encyclopedia. If they read on and find out the plot of the play, <i>then we have done our job correctly</i>. Pandering for some imaginary people who may not realise that encyclopedias tell you about stuff, or that a plot summary inevitably contains a summary of the plot, is not productive, and certainly no justification for unnecessary duplication of information. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tony_Sidaway" title="User talk:Tony Sidaway">Tony Sidaway</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-Tony_Sidaway-2007-05-17T03:56:00.000Z-Removing_unnecessary_spoiler_tags" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tony_Sidaway-2007-05-17T03:56:00.000Z-Removing_unnecessary_spoiler_tags"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tony_Sidaway-2007-05-17T03:56:00.000Z-Removing_unnecessary_spoiler_tags"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_move" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_move-2009-07-29T22:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_move-2009-07-29T22:24:00.000Z"></span>Proposed move<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_move-2009-07-29T22:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Coriolanus&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Proposed move"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z-Proposed_move"></span>The following discussion is an archived discussion of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">requested move</a>. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. </i></dd></dl> <p>The result of the move request was <b>page moved</b>. —<a href="/wiki/User:Harej" title="User:Harej">harej</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Harej" title="User talk:Harej">talk</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Coordination" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Coordination">cool!</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z-Proposed_move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z-Proposed_move"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z-Proposed_move"></span> </p> <hr/> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Coriolanus_(Shakespeare)" class="mw-redirect" title="Coriolanus (Shakespeare)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xover-2009-07-30T04:51:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span>Coriolanus (Shakespeare)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Coriolanus" title="Coriolanus">Coriolanus</a> — “Primary topic by far. Moved without consensus from Shakespeare project earlier.” per the request (which I support) by <a href="/wiki/User:DionysosProteus" title="User:DionysosProteus">DionysosProteus</a> at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Xover" title="User:Xover">Xover</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xover" title="User talk:Xover">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-Xover-2009-07-30T04:51:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xover-2009-07-30T04:51:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xover-2009-07-30T04:51:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Coriolanus_(Shakespeare)" class="mw-redirect" title="Coriolanus (Shakespeare)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DionysosProteus-2009-07-29T22:24:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span>Coriolanus (Shakespeare)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Coriolanus" title="Coriolanus">Coriolanus</a></b> — Primary topic by far. Moved without consensus from Shakespeare project earlier. — <a href="/wiki/User:DionysosProteus" title="User:DionysosProteus">DionysosProteus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DionysosProteus" title="User talk:DionysosProteus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-DionysosProteus-2009-07-29T22:24:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DionysosProteus-2009-07-29T22:24:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DionysosProteus-2009-07-29T22:24:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Parsecboy-2009-07-29T22:43:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span>A request based on one assertion of what the primary topic is is never uncontroversial. This needs to be discussed first. <a href="/wiki/User:Parsecboy" title="User:Parsecboy">Parsecboy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Parsecboy" title="User talk:Parsecboy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-Parsecboy-2009-07-29T22:43:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Parsecboy-2009-07-29T22:43:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Parsecboy-2009-07-29T22:43:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DionysosProteus-2009-07-29T22:44:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span>You're suggesting that the play by Shakespeare <i>isn't</i> the primary meaning? <a href="/wiki/User:DionysosProteus" title="User:DionysosProteus">DionysosProteus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DionysosProteus" title="User talk:DionysosProteus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-DionysosProteus-2009-07-29T22:44:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 29 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DionysosProteus-2009-07-29T22:44:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DionysosProteus-2009-07-29T22:44:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Parsecboy-2009-07-30T00:39:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span>No, I'm saying uncontroversial moves are those to fix capitalization, spelling, or other minor issues. Any move request that purports to assert the primacy of one topic over another is automatically potentially controversial and needs to be discussed. The very fact that the page was moved (even without discussion) means that the move back is controversial. <a href="/wiki/User:Parsecboy" title="User:Parsecboy">Parsecboy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Parsecboy" title="User talk:Parsecboy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-Parsecboy-2009-07-30T00:39:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Parsecboy-2009-07-30T00:39:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Parsecboy-2009-07-30T00:39:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xover-2009-07-30T04:53:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span>I've put the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Move" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Move">move</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus_(Shakespeare)" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Coriolanus (Shakespeare)">Talk:Coriolanus (Shakespeare)</a> per the above. --<a href="/wiki/User:Xover" title="User:Xover">Xover</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xover" title="User talk:Xover">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-Xover-2009-07-30T04:53:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xover-2009-07-30T04:53:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xover-2009-07-30T04:53:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pmanderson-2009-07-30T18:49:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span>Returning to our muttons: <b>Support move</b>. Coriolanus himself is, by our habit in dealing with Romans, at <a href="/wiki/Gaius_Marcius_Coriolanus" class="mw-redirect" title="Gaius Marcius Coriolanus">Gaius Marcius Coriolanus</a>; the Brecht play is much less frequently frequently mentioned; Shakespeare's play is primary usage. <a href="/wiki/User:Pmanderson" title="User:Pmanderson">Septentrionalis</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pmanderson" title="User talk:Pmanderson">PMAnderson</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-Pmanderson-2009-07-30T18:49:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pmanderson-2009-07-30T18:49:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pmanderson-2009-07-30T18:49:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bkonrad-2009-08-07T15:55:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span>Support</b>. The Shakespeare play is really the only reason any of the others are known much at all. <a href="/wiki/User:Bkonrad" title="User:Bkonrad">older</a> ≠ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bkonrad" title="User talk:Bkonrad">wiser</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-Bkonrad-2009-08-07T15:55:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bkonrad-2009-08-07T15:55:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bkonrad-2009-08-07T15:55:00.000Z-Harej-2009-08-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><i>The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">requested move</a>. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</i></dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="One_Other_Notable_Performance" data-mw-thread-id="h-One_Other_Notable_Performance-2011-01-09T13:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-One_Other_Notable_Performance-2011-01-09T13:54:00.000Z"></span>One Other Notable Performance<span data-mw-comment-end="h-One_Other_Notable_Performance-2011-01-09T13:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Coriolanus&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: One Other Notable Performance"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-99.236.162.147-2011-01-09T13:54:00.000Z-One_Other_Notable_Performance"></span>As part of a research project completed at university, I discovered that Morgan Freeman has also played this role. Looking around online, it is easy to find sources which confirm this: he played the role in 1979 as part of an all-black and -Hispanic cast at the New York Shakespeare Festival. Given Mr. Freeman's stature as an actor, I would think he merits inclusion in the list. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.236.162.147" title="Special:Contributions/99.236.162.147">99.236.162.147</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:99.236.162.147&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:99.236.162.147 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-99.236.162.147-2011-01-09T13:54:00.000Z-One_Other_Notable_Performance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 9 January 2011 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-99.236.162.147-2011-01-09T13:54:00.000Z-One_Other_Notable_Performance"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-99.236.162.147-2011-01-09T13:54:00.000Z-One_Other_Notable_Performance"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xover-2011-01-09T15:08:00.000Z-99.236.162.147-2011-01-09T13:54:00.000Z"></span>Thank you; and I see you've already added him to the article. But if you've done the research for this, perhaps you would be so kind as to also provide the source for it? Preferably something that reasonably fulfills the requirements of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">Reliable Sources</a> policy (peer reviewed work in a book on a university press, scholarly journal, or mainstream publication with a published editorial and peer review policy). No big deal, but it would save other editors having to dig up this information later. --<a href="/wiki/User:Xover" title="User:Xover">Xover</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xover" title="User talk:Xover">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-Xover-2011-01-09T15:08:00.000Z-99.236.162.147-2011-01-09T13:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xover-2011-01-09T15:08:00.000Z-99.236.162.147-2011-01-09T13:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xover-2011-01-09T15:08:00.000Z-99.236.162.147-2011-01-09T13:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Film_Adaptation?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Film_Adaptation?-2011-12-13T14:14:00.000Z"><span id="Film_Adaptation.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Film_Adaptation?-2011-12-13T14:14:00.000Z"></span>Film Adaptation?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Film_Adaptation?-2011-12-13T14:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Coriolanus&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Film Adaptation?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mragsdale-2011-12-13T14:14:00.000Z-Film_Adaptation?"></span>Is it worth adding that there is a forthcoming film adaptation with Ralph Finnes? <a href="/wiki/User:Mragsdale" title="User:Mragsdale">Mragsdale</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mragsdale" title="User talk:Mragsdale">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-Mragsdale-2011-12-13T14:14:00.000Z-Film_Adaptation?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 13 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mragsdale-2011-12-13T14:14:00.000Z-Film_Adaptation?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mragsdale-2011-12-13T14:14:00.000Z-Film_Adaptation?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="External_links_modified" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified-2017-09-09T07:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links_modified-2017-09-09T07:58:00.000Z"></span>External links modified<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links_modified-2017-09-09T07:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Coriolanus&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: External links modified"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-InternetArchiveBot-2017-09-09T07:58:00.000Z-External_links_modified"></span>Hello fellow Wikipedians, </p><p>I have just modified one external link on <a href="/wiki/Coriolanus" title="Coriolanus">Coriolanus</a>. 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"Foreword". In Defence of the Terror: Liberty or Death in the French Revolution. Verso Books. pp. xxiii–xxix. </p><p>I already changed the portrayal of Coriolanus as a "left wing radical" (lol) to "right wing extremist", but I get the feeling that the whole paragraph wasn't written in good faith. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tomiantenna&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tomiantenna (page does not exist)">Tomiantenna</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tomiantenna&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Tomiantenna (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-Tomiantenna-20230307142000-Adaptations_-_Zizek?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 7 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tomiantenna-20230307142000-Adaptations_-_Zizek?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tomiantenna-20230307142000-Adaptations_-_Zizek?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Harryhenry1-20241115080000-Tomiantenna-20230307142000"></span>Having checked the forward of the book, the paragraph now does indeed reflect the source given, including the description of Coriolanus as a left-wing radical. It might seem strange, but keep in mind <a href="/wiki/Slavoj_%C5%BDi%C5%BEek" title="Slavoj Žižek">Slavoj Žižek</a> is a Marxist himself, known for his provocative statements. <a href="/wiki/User:Harryhenry1" title="User:Harryhenry1">Harryhenry1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Harryhenry1" title="User talk:Harryhenry1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coriolanus#c-Harryhenry1-20241115080000-Tomiantenna-20230307142000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:00, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Harryhenry1-20241115080000-Tomiantenna-20230307142000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Harryhenry1-20241115080000-Tomiantenna-20230307142000"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Coriolanus&oldid=1257508182">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Coriolanus&oldid=1257508182</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_Theatre_articles" title="Category:C-Class Theatre articles">C-Class Theatre articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:High-importance_Theatre_articles" title="Category:High-importance Theatre articles">High-importance Theatre articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Theatre_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Theatre articles">WikiProject Theatre articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_Shakespeare_articles" title="Category:C-Class Shakespeare articles">C-Class Shakespeare articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:High-importance_Shakespeare_articles" title="Category:High-importance Shakespeare articles">High-importance Shakespeare articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Shakespeare_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Shakespeare articles">WikiProject Shakespeare articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 15 November 2024, at 08:05<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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