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search</a> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-talkpageheader"> </div><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="en" dir="ltr"><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241017071600&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Wikipedia_as_organization?-20241017071600&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241017071600-Wikipedia_as_organization?&quot;,&quot;c-RepairWD-20241017160400-Wikipedia_as_organization?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Wikipedia as organization?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Wikipedia as organization?&quot;}--><h2 id="Wikipedia_as_organization?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia_as_organization?-20241017071600"><span id="Wikipedia_as_organization.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia_as_organization?-20241017071600"></span>Wikipedia as organization?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia_as_organization?-20241017071600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RepairWD&amp;action=edit&amp;section=1" title="Edit section: Wikipedia as organization?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241017071600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Wikipedia_as_organization?-20241017071600","replies":["c-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241017071600-Wikipedia_as_organization?","c-RepairWD-20241017160400-Wikipedia_as_organization?"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241021111600-RepairWD-20241017230500","timestamp":"20241021111600"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__9__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241017071600&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Wikipedia_as_organization?-20241017071600&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241017071600-Wikipedia_as_organization?&quot;,&quot;c-RepairWD-20241017160400-Wikipedia_as_organization?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Wikipedia as organization?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Wikipedia as organization?&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241017071600-Wikipedia_as_organization?"></span>Are you sure <a href="/w/index.php?title=Q130546893&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Q130546893 (page does not exist)">Q130546893</a> is valid? I don't think Wikipedia is an organization. <a href="/wiki/User:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Dost%C3%A1l" title="User:Vojtěch Dostál">Vojtěch Dostál</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Dost%C3%A1l" title="User talk:Vojtěch Dostál"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:RepairWD#c-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241017071600-Wikipedia_as_organization?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241017071600-Wikipedia_as_organization?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017071600","author":"Vojt\u011bch Dost\u00e1l","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241017071600-Wikipedia_as_organization?","replies":["c-VIGNERON-20241017075400-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241017071600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241017071600-Wikipedia_as_organization?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VIGNERON-20241017075400-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241017071600"></span>Same question. If you look at the identifiers, they are clearly about <a href="/wiki/Q52" title="Q52">Wikipedia <small>(Q52)</small></a>. I don't see a reason to split here. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:RepairWD#c-VIGNERON-20241017075400-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241017071600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VIGNERON-20241017075400-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241017071600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017075400","author":"VIGNERON","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-VIGNERON-20241017075400-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241017071600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VIGNERON-20241017075400-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241017071600"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RepairWD-20241017160400-Wikipedia_as_organization?"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Dost%C3%A1l" title="User:Vojtěch Dostál"><bdi>Vojtěch Dostál</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON"><bdi>VIGNERON</bdi></a>: there are two VIAF clusters, one for a work, one for an organization. I followed the sources and provided a reference for the claim that there is an organization named Wikipedia. The VIAF cluster for the organization contains several sources each of which supporting the claim. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RepairWD&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RepairWD (page does not exist)">RepairWD</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:RepairWD#c-RepairWD-20241017160400-Wikipedia_as_organization?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RepairWD-20241017160400-Wikipedia_as_organization?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017160400","author":"RepairWD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RepairWD-20241017160400-Wikipedia_as_organization?","replies":["c-VIGNERON-20241017170700-RepairWD-20241017160400","c-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241017173200-RepairWD-20241017160400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RepairWD-20241017160400-Wikipedia_as_organization?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VIGNERON-20241017170700-RepairWD-20241017160400"></span>Hmm, I see, indeed VIAF is seing two different concepts but it's unclear what they are referring to exactly. especially if you look into each authority in the cluster, for instance <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb150837752">https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb150837752</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb165741116">https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb165741116</a>. If you look at the second the authority is used for books that are printed articles of Wikipedia (similar situation for other identifiers), there is indeed some distinction between the work and the "author".</dd> <dd>Could the "project" actually be about <a href="/wiki/Q876040" title="Q876040">Wikipedia community <small>(Q876040)</small></a>?</dd> <dd>Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:RepairWD#c-VIGNERON-20241017170700-RepairWD-20241017160400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VIGNERON-20241017170700-RepairWD-20241017160400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017170700","author":"VIGNERON","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-VIGNERON-20241017170700-RepairWD-20241017160400","replies":["c-RepairWD-20241017230500-VIGNERON-20241017170700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VIGNERON-20241017170700-RepairWD-20241017160400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RepairWD-20241017230500-VIGNERON-20241017170700"></span>Yes, could be community, which is an organization too. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RepairWD&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RepairWD (page does not exist)">RepairWD</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:RepairWD#c-RepairWD-20241017230500-VIGNERON-20241017170700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RepairWD-20241017230500-VIGNERON-20241017170700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017230500","author":"RepairWD","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-RepairWD-20241017230500-VIGNERON-20241017170700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RepairWD-20241017230500-VIGNERON-20241017170700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241017173200-RepairWD-20241017160400"></span>You also moved <a href="/wiki/Property:P691" title="Property:P691">NL CR AUT ID <small dir="ltr">(P691)</small></a> which is clearly about a project, not an organization... I am not sure that VIAF clusters can be taken too seriously, they are created via a largely automatic process. <a href="/wiki/User:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Dost%C3%A1l" title="User:Vojtěch Dostál">Vojtěch Dostál</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Dost%C3%A1l" title="User talk:Vojtěch Dostál"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:RepairWD#c-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241017173200-RepairWD-20241017160400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241017173200-RepairWD-20241017160400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017173200","author":"Vojt\u011bch Dost\u00e1l","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241017173200-RepairWD-20241017160400","replies":["c-RepairWD-20241017230500-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241017173200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241017173200-RepairWD-20241017160400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RepairWD-20241017230500-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241017173200"></span>A project is an organization. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RepairWD&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RepairWD (page does not exist)">RepairWD</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:RepairWD#c-RepairWD-20241017230500-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241017173200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RepairWD-20241017230500-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241017173200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017230500","author":"RepairWD","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-RepairWD-20241017230500-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241017173200","replies":["c-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241021111500-RepairWD-20241017230500","c-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241021111600-RepairWD-20241017230500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RepairWD-20241017230500-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241017173200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241021111500-RepairWD-20241017230500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RepairWD&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RepairWD (page does not exist)">RepairWD</a> That does not make sense to me. These are two different concepts... an organization runs projects. <a href="/wiki/User:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Dost%C3%A1l" title="User:Vojtěch Dostál">Vojtěch Dostál</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Dost%C3%A1l" title="User talk:Vojtěch Dostál"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:RepairWD#c-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241021111500-RepairWD-20241017230500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241021111500-RepairWD-20241017230500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241021111500","author":"Vojt\u011bch Dost\u00e1l","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241021111500-RepairWD-20241017230500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241021111500-RepairWD-20241017230500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241021111600-RepairWD-20241017230500"></span>Anyway, the item was fortunately deleted... <a href="/wiki/User:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Dost%C3%A1l" title="User:Vojtěch Dostál">Vojtěch Dostál</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Dost%C3%A1l" title="User talk:Vojtěch Dostál"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:RepairWD#c-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241021111600-RepairWD-20241017230500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:16, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241021111600-RepairWD-20241017230500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241021111600","author":"Vojt\u011bch Dost\u00e1l","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Vojt\u011bch_Dost\u00e1l-20241021111600-RepairWD-20241017230500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vojtěch_Dostál-20241021111600-RepairWD-20241017230500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.main‐5c59558b9d‐dtdxm Cached time: 20241201050021 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.009 seconds CPU time usage: 0.043 seconds Real time usage: 0.071 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 219/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 975/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 182/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 7/100 Expensive parser function count: 0/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 0/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.006/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 666821/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/500 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 45.031 1 -total 77.54% 34.919 3 Template:Q 76.02% 34.233 4 Template:Label 13.26% 5.972 1 Template:P 7.59% 3.418 1 Template:Ping 3.18% 1.431 1 Template:Str_left --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key wikidatawiki:pcache:idhash:124491842-0!canonical and timestamp 20241201050021 and revision id 2263285194. 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