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In summary, she was described as a pastor by the church previously and this is recorded in print, but the church now claims that the title was "purely honorific". I've added a sentence that notes both, with references; you'll also note that the "personal communication" in question is quoted in full on Talk (I've added the relevant sections to the ref) and you've welcome to mail CHC to ask if they've changed their mind again... <a href="/wiki/User:Jpatokal" title="User:Jpatokal">Jpatokal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpatokal" title="User talk:Jpatokal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-Jpatokal-2009-05-20T05:18:00.000Z-Ho_Yeow_Sun" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:18, 20 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpatokal-2009-05-20T05:18:00.000Z-Ho_Yeow_Sun"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpatokal-2009-05-20T05:18:00.000Z-Ho_Yeow_Sun"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpatokal-2009-05-20T05:22:00.000Z-Jpatokal-2009-05-20T05:18:00.000Z"></span>And re: Music Director, Ho Yeow Sun resigned that position in 2003, while your quote is from 2006. <a href="/wiki/User:Jpatokal" title="User:Jpatokal">Jpatokal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpatokal" title="User talk:Jpatokal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-Jpatokal-2009-05-20T05:22:00.000Z-Jpatokal-2009-05-20T05:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:22, 20 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpatokal-2009-05-20T05:22:00.000Z-Jpatokal-2009-05-20T05:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpatokal-2009-05-20T05:22:00.000Z-Jpatokal-2009-05-20T05:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheThankful-2009-05-20T17:28:00.000Z-Jpatokal-2009-05-20T05:22:00.000Z"></span>David Yem has been music director since at least 1998/99. You do not understand the nature of a worship pastor. The role does not contradict the communications from either her or the church. A worship pastor is not an ordained pastor, but neither are they a music director --<a href="/wiki/User:TheThankful" title="User:TheThankful">TheThankful</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-TheThankful-2009-05-20T17:28:00.000Z-Jpatokal-2009-05-20T05:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 20 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheThankful-2009-05-20T17:28:00.000Z-Jpatokal-2009-05-20T05:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheThankful-2009-05-20T17:28:00.000Z-Jpatokal-2009-05-20T05:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_recent_edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_recent_edits-2009-05-22T20:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_recent_edits-2009-05-22T20:00:00.000Z"></span>Your recent edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_recent_edits-2009-05-22T20:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TheThankful&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Your recent edits"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SineBot-2009-05-22T20:00:00.000Z-Your_recent_edits"></span>Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Talk page">talk pages</a> and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">sign your posts</a> by typing four <a href="/wiki/Tilde" title="Tilde">tildes</a> ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button <span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Button_sig.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Button_sig.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="22" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="23" data-file-height="22"/></a></span> located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --<a href="/wiki/User:SineBot" title="User:SineBot">SineBot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SineBot" title="User talk:SineBot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-SineBot-2009-05-22T20:00:00.000Z-Your_recent_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 22 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SineBot-2009-05-22T20:00:00.000Z-Your_recent_edits"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SineBot-2009-05-22T20:00:00.000Z-Your_recent_edits"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Warning" data-mw-thread-id="h-Warning-2009-05-29T04:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Warning-2009-05-29T04:37:00.000Z"></span>Warning<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Warning-2009-05-29T04:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TheThankful&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Warning"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=DNTTR&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="DNTTR (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathsci-2009-05-29T04:37:00.000Z-Warning"></span>W:DNTTR</a>. You are changing content in the lede of <a href="/wiki/Europe" title="Europe">Europe</a> in a way which does not reflect the main part of of the article in particular the history section. You are in an inexperienced editor who is adding unsourced statements to the lede which constitute <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">original research</a>. You will be reported at [[W:AN3][] if you continue. I will now add a new sourced sentence which properly reflects the sources and not your own synthesis. If you continue reverting you could be blocked. <a href="/wiki/User:Mathsci" title="User:Mathsci">Mathsci</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathsci" title="User talk:Mathsci">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-Mathsci-2009-05-29T04:37:00.000Z-Warning" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathsci-2009-05-29T04:37:00.000Z-Warning"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathsci-2009-05-29T04:37:00.000Z-Warning"></span> </p><p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T04:50:00.000Z-Warning"></span> I have provided a reference. It's widely known, hardly "original research". Read up son. --<a href="/wiki/User:TheThankful" title="User:TheThankful">TheThankful</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T04:50:00.000Z-Warning" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T04:50:00.000Z-Warning"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T04:50:00.000Z-Warning"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathsci-2009-05-29T05:05:00.000Z-TheThankful-2009-05-29T04:50:00.000Z"></span>Please don't call other wikipedians "son". You removed the reference to Lewis & Wigen which says that "Ancient Greece is often (but by no means always) regarded as the birthplace of Western Culture" (page 226). That is not an acceptable method of editing. The lede is a summary of what is in the article. I helped rewrite the history section with <a href="/wiki/User:Hemlock_Martinis" title="User:Hemlock Martinis">User:Hemlock Martinis</a> using multiple sources. Any way your own method of arguing on the talk page without providing proper sources is in an unacceptable way to proceed. Your hasty shotgun type of editing and bullying is equally unacceptable. <a href="/wiki/User:Mathsci" title="User:Mathsci">Mathsci</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathsci" title="User talk:Mathsci">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-Mathsci-2009-05-29T05:05:00.000Z-TheThankful-2009-05-29T04:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathsci-2009-05-29T05:05:00.000Z-TheThankful-2009-05-29T04:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathsci-2009-05-29T05:05:00.000Z-TheThankful-2009-05-29T04:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:10:00.000Z-Mathsci-2009-05-29T05:05:00.000Z"></span>Son, you're the one who threatened me with blocks and the like. If there's been any bullying it's from your end. You need to do some more research if you honestly believe Western Civilization began in Greece, and no a quick Google is not "research". The Origins of Western Civilisation were up and away in the middle east well before Greeks settled into cities. Read up the reference I provided.--<a href="/wiki/User:TheThankful" title="User:TheThankful">TheThankful</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:10:00.000Z-Mathsci-2009-05-29T05:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:10, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:10:00.000Z-Mathsci-2009-05-29T05:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:10:00.000Z-Mathsci-2009-05-29T05:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathsci-2009-05-29T07:16:00.000Z-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:10:00.000Z"></span>I am 52 years old, a senior research scientist in France and a bye-fellow of a Cambridge college where I was for 12 years a fellow. Please do not call me son. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Mathsci" title="User:Mathsci">Mathsci</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathsci" title="User talk:Mathsci">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-Mathsci-2009-05-29T07:16:00.000Z-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathsci-2009-05-29T07:16:00.000Z-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathsci-2009-05-29T07:16:00.000Z-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WP:ANI" data-mw-thread-id="h-WP:ANI-2009-05-29T04:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WP:ANI-2009-05-29T04:59:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-WP:ANI-2009-05-29T04:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TheThankful&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: WP:ANI"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathsci-2009-05-29T04:59:00.000Z-WP:ANI"></span>You have been reported at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a> for breaking the three revert rule, for bullying and for removing a sourced statement from the lede of <a href="/wiki/Europe" title="Europe">Europe</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Mathsci" title="User:Mathsci">Mathsci</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathsci" title="User talk:Mathsci">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-Mathsci-2009-05-29T04:59:00.000Z-WP:ANI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathsci-2009-05-29T04:59:00.000Z-WP:ANI"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathsci-2009-05-29T04:59:00.000Z-WP:ANI"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Blocked_24_hours" data-mw-thread-id="h-Blocked_24_hours-2009-05-29T05:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Blocked_24_hours-2009-05-29T05:21:00.000Z"></span>Blocked 24 hours<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Blocked_24_hours-2009-05-29T05:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TheThankful&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Blocked 24 hours"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="user-block"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rootology-2009-05-29T05:21:00.000Z-Blocked_24_hours"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg/40px-Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg/60px-Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg/80px-Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="212" data-file-height="211"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> You have been <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocked</a></b> from editing for a short time in accordance with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">Wikipedia's blocking policy</a> for violating the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Three-revert_rule" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Three-revert rule">three-revert rule</a>. Please be more careful to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines">discuss controversial changes</a> or seek <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution">dispute resolution</a> rather than engaging in an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_war" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Edit war">edit war</a>. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Appealing_a_block" title="Wikipedia:Appealing a block">contest the block</a> by adding the text <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Unblock" title="Template:Unblock">unblock</a>|Your reason here}}</code> below, but you should read our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_appealing_blocks" title="Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks">guide to appealing blocks</a> first. </div> <p>For edit warring on <a href="/wiki/Europe" title="Europe">Europe</a>, after being notified of the three revert rule and the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Edit_warring_on_Europe">ANI thread</a>. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Europe&diff=293036024&oldid=293035174">The edit that broke 3RR</a>. Even if you honestly believe your content changes are 100% justified -- talk them out. The distinctions and rules on edit warring are probably our most "bright line" rules, like an electric fence which no one may cross. The only exemptions are if you are removing violations of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">WP:BLP</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COPYVIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COPYVIO">WP:COPYVIO</a> policies from pages (not just articles) and even then, you may be called to justify those edits later. Edit warring is pretty much one of our #1 things to avoid, in the future. <a href="/wiki/User:Rootology" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rootology"><span style="color:#0D670D; font-family:Georgia, Helvetica;">rootology</span></a>/<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Equality" title="Wikipedia:Equality"><span style="color:red; font-family:Georgia, Helvetica;">equality</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-Rootology-2009-05-29T05:21:00.000Z-Blocked_24_hours" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:21, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rootology-2009-05-29T05:21:00.000Z-Blocked_24_hours"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rootology-2009-05-29T05:21:00.000Z-Blocked_24_hours"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:29:00.000Z-Blocked_24_hours"></span>As I mentioned below, I made repeated appeals to discuss. Check the talk page. I was talking to myself. Check the history. I repeatedly asked the reverter to go to the talk page. --<a href="/wiki/User:TheThankful" title="User:TheThankful">TheThankful</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:29:00.000Z-Blocked_24_hours" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:29:00.000Z-Blocked_24_hours"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:29:00.000Z-Blocked_24_hours"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rootology-2009-05-29T05:32:00.000Z-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:29:00.000Z"></span>Totally understood... but even if they don't, you can't edit war past that, is the thing. The edit war (3RR) rules don't differentiate over any content <i>but</i> BLP & Copyvio materials. It could be an IP address's first four edits, or the 100,001-100,104th edits of the most senior user ever, and a block will likely result for edit warring. I know it may sound silly, but having that hard barrier is the only thing to deter anyone from going 'nuts' on reverting. <a href="/wiki/User:Rootology" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rootology"><span style="color:#0D670D; font-family:Georgia, Helvetica;">rootology</span></a>/<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Equality" title="Wikipedia:Equality"><span style="color:red; font-family:Georgia, Helvetica;">equality</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-Rootology-2009-05-29T05:32:00.000Z-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rootology-2009-05-29T05:32:00.000Z-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rootology-2009-05-29T05:32:00.000Z-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:39:00.000Z-Blocked_24_hours"></span>I understand all that, as long as everyone involved is blocked. I don't know what else i have to do to engage in discussion other than what i repeatedly did. This is very frustrating. --<a href="/wiki/User:TheThankful" title="User:TheThankful">TheThankful</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:39:00.000Z-Blocked_24_hours" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:39:00.000Z-Blocked_24_hours"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:39:00.000Z-Blocked_24_hours"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unblock" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unblock-2009-05-29T05:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unblock-2009-05-29T05:27:00.000Z"></span>Unblock<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unblock-2009-05-29T05:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TheThankful&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Unblock"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="user-block unblock-reviewed" style="padding: 5px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #a9a9a9; background-color: var(--background-color-warning-subtle, #fdf2d5); color: inherit;"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:27:00.000Z-Unblock"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/48px-Appointment_red.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="48" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/72px-Appointment_red.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/96px-Appointment_red.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <b>This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators" title="Wikipedia:Administrators">administrator</a>, who declined the request.</b> Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocking policy</a>). <p><a href="/wiki/User:TheThankful" title="User:TheThankful">TheThankful</a> <span class="plainlinks" style="font-size:88%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:TheThankful">block log</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&action=search&ip=TheThankful">active blocks</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:GlobalBlockList&ip=TheThankful">global blocks</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheThankful" title="Special:Contributions/TheThankful">contribs</a><span class="sysop-show"> • <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/TheThankful" title="Special:DeletedContributions/TheThankful">deleted contribs</a></span> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=TheThankful">filter log</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=newusers&user=TheThankful">creation log</a><span class="sysop-show"> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/TheThankful" title="Special:Block/TheThankful">change block settings</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&action=unblock&ip=TheThankful">unblock</a></span><span class="checkuser-show"> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUser&user=TheThankful&reason=%5B%5BUser+talk%3ATheThankful%5D%5D%2C+unblock+request">checkuser</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUserLog&cuSearch=TheThankful">log</a>)</span>)</span> </p> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <hr/> <p><b>Request reason</b>: </p> <div style="margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 2em;"> <p>I have actually made several attempts at discussion about the edit on the talk page of Europe. I also made several pleas on my edit summary to discuss the issue on talk pages, but edits kept getting reverted. One of my 3 reverts was actually to insert a reference. A source. I feel like I have been unfairly treated in this manner, as I did my best to engage and discuss my sourced edit. Additionally, I discussed my proposed edit on the talk page of the article a couple of days before doing any edit. The only responder agreed with me, so I made the edit. Please unblock me. Kind regards The Thankful --<a href="/wiki/User:TheThankful" title="User:TheThankful">TheThankful</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:27:00.000Z-Unblock" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:27:00.000Z-Unblock"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T05:27:00.000Z-Unblock"></span> </p> </div> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VirtualSteve-2009-05-29T08:40:00.000Z-Unblock"></span>Decline reason</b>: </p> <div style="margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 2em;"> <p>We have a strict <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:3RR">reversion policy</a> at wikipedia and whilst I note your reference to discussion at the the talk page - you did nevertheless revert a number of edits today despite a relevant warning on your talk page. In the future please step back from such edits and allow a day or two before you return with your views. I will also add that whilst a breach of our civility requirements is not the reason for your short block it would be good if, when you return to editing, you adjusted your discussion process with other editors so that it did not appear that you were attacking others in any way. Best wishes --<a href="/wiki/User:VirtualSteve" title="User:VirtualSteve"><strong>VS</strong></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:VirtualSteve" title="User talk:VirtualSteve">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-VirtualSteve-2009-05-29T08:40:00.000Z-Unblock" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:40, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VirtualSteve-2009-05-29T08:40:00.000Z-Unblock"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VirtualSteve-2009-05-29T08:40:00.000Z-Unblock"></span> </p> </div> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rootology-2009-05-29T05:29:00.000Z-Unblock"></span>If you want to make any further unblock requests, please <b>read the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_appealing_blocks" title="Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks">guide to appealing blocks</a> first</b>, then use the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unblock" title="Template:Unblock">unblock</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. <b>Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.</b> </p> </div> <dl><dd>Hi, I updated the discussion <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Unblock_request_now">here</a> with your request. Seems like a lively night on ANI, someone will be over soon. <a href="/wiki/User:Rootology" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rootology"><span style="color:#0D670D; font-family:Georgia, Helvetica;">rootology</span></a>/<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Equality" title="Wikipedia:Equality"><span style="color:red; font-family:Georgia, Helvetica;">equality</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-Rootology-2009-05-29T05:29:00.000Z-Unblock" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rootology-2009-05-29T05:29:00.000Z-Unblock"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rootology-2009-05-29T05:29:00.000Z-Unblock"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="May_2009" data-mw-thread-id="h-May_2009-2009-05-29T19:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-May_2009-2009-05-29T19:09:00.000Z"></span>May 2009<span data-mw-comment-end="h-May_2009-2009-05-29T19:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TheThankful&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: May 2009"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="user-block"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VirtualSteve-2009-05-29T19:09:00.000Z-May_2009"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg/40px-Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg/60px-Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg/80px-Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="212" data-file-height="211"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> You have been <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocked</a></b> from editing for a period of <b>72 hours</b> in accordance with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">Wikipedia's blocking policy</a> for <b>block evasion via <a href="/wiki/User:LemborLembor" title="User:LemborLembor">LemborLembor</a> - length of your original block has been increased. Please note you can be indefinitely blocked if you continue to use a secondary account in this manner.</b>. You are welcome to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars" title="Wikipedia:Five pillars">make <i>useful</i> contributions</a> after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Appealing_a_block" title="Wikipedia:Appealing a block">contest this block</a> by adding the text <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Unblock" title="Template:Unblock">unblock</a>|Your reason here}}</code> below. --<a href="/wiki/User:VirtualSteve" title="User:VirtualSteve"><strong>VS</strong></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:VirtualSteve" title="User talk:VirtualSteve">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-VirtualSteve-2009-05-29T19:09:00.000Z-May_2009" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VirtualSteve-2009-05-29T19:09:00.000Z-May_2009"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VirtualSteve-2009-05-29T19:09:00.000Z-May_2009"></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T22:53:00.000Z-May_2009"></span>I copped a 24 hour block for edit warring, despite my repeated attempts to engage in dialogue. The other party did not get blocked despite making threats, initiating the edit war, and refusing to either discuss in a civil manner, nor check the references (the whole book) or the facts I was presenting. Now I have been blocked for 72 hours for being LemborLembor, despite the simple reality that they and I have different ISP addresses. I am, if nothing else, being educated as to the standards of fairness, civility, and how much the "truth" in an article doesn't matter when compared to a person being "right" or more familiar with Wiki Legalese. If given the chance I would come back and quote at least 5 books, with the page numbers, seeing that quoting an entire book whose main point is the point I was making doesn't seem to be enough. Very interesting Wikipedia, thanks for the lesson.--<a href="/wiki/User:TheThankful" title="User:TheThankful">TheThankful</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T22:53:00.000Z-May_2009" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T22:53:00.000Z-May_2009"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T22:53:00.000Z-May_2009"></span> </p> <div class="user-block unblock-reviewed" style="padding: 5px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #a9a9a9; background-color: var(--background-color-warning-subtle, #fdf2d5); color: inherit;"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T22:53:00.000Z-May_2009-1"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/48px-Appointment_red.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="48" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/72px-Appointment_red.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/96px-Appointment_red.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <b>This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators" title="Wikipedia:Administrators">administrator</a>, who declined the request.</b> Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocking policy</a>). <p><a href="/wiki/User:TheThankful" title="User:TheThankful">TheThankful</a> <span class="plainlinks" style="font-size:88%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:TheThankful">block log</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&action=search&ip=TheThankful">active blocks</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:GlobalBlockList&ip=TheThankful">global blocks</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheThankful" title="Special:Contributions/TheThankful">contribs</a><span class="sysop-show"> • <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/TheThankful" title="Special:DeletedContributions/TheThankful">deleted contribs</a></span> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=TheThankful">filter log</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=newusers&user=TheThankful">creation log</a><span class="sysop-show"> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/TheThankful" title="Special:Block/TheThankful">change block settings</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&action=unblock&ip=TheThankful">unblock</a></span><span class="checkuser-show"> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUser&user=TheThankful&reason=%5B%5BUser+talk%3ATheThankful%5D%5D%2C+unblock+request">checkuser</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUserLog&cuSearch=TheThankful">log</a>)</span>)</span> </p> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <hr/> <p><b>Request reason</b>: </p> <div style="margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 2em;"> <p>I copped a 24 hour block for edit warring, despite my repeated attempts to engage in dialogue. The other party did not get blocked despite making threats, initiating the edit war, and refusing to either discuss in a civil manner, nor check the references (the whole book) or the facts I was presenting. Now I have been blocked for 72 hours for being LemborLembor, despite them having a different ISP address. I am not LemborLembor. I am, if nothing else, being educated as to the standards of fairness, civility, and how much the "truth" in an article doesn't matter when compared to a person being "right" or more familiar with Wiki Legalese. If given the chance I would come back and quote at least 5 books, with the page numbers, seeing that quoting an entire book whose main point is the point I was making doesn't seem to be enough. Very interesting Wikipedia, thanks for the lesson.--<a href="/wiki/User:TheThankful" title="User:TheThankful">TheThankful</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T22:53:00.000Z-May_2009-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T22:53:00.000Z-May_2009-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheThankful-2009-05-29T22:53:00.000Z-May_2009-1"></span> </p> </div> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-2009-05-29T23:02:00.000Z-May_2009"></span>Decline reason</b>: </p> <div style="margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 2em;"> <p>You were busted evading your block with sockpuppets, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/TheThankful/Archive" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TheThankful/Archive">dead-to-rights</a>. Declined. -<font color="32CD32"><i><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano">Jeremy</a></i></font> <font color="4682B4"><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano">v^_^v</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Trading_card_game" title="Wikipedia:Trading card game">Cardmaker</a>)</sup></font> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-Jéské_Couriano-2009-05-29T23:02:00.000Z-May_2009" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-2009-05-29T23:02:00.000Z-May_2009"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-2009-05-29T23:02:00.000Z-May_2009"></span> </p> </div> <hr/> <p>If you want to make any further unblock requests, please <b>read the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_appealing_blocks" title="Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks">guide to appealing blocks</a> first</b>, then use the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unblock" title="Template:Unblock">unblock</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. <b>Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.</b> </p> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="June_2009" data-mw-thread-id="h-June_2009-2009-06-02T22:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-June_2009-2009-06-02T22:18:00.000Z"></span>June 2009<span data-mw-comment-end="h-June_2009-2009-06-02T22:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TheThankful&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: June 2009"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathsci-2009-06-02T22:18:00.000Z-June_2009"></span>You have been reported on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a> for continuing to be disruptive on wikipedia after your 72 block for edit warring and block evasion. <a href="/wiki/User:Mathsci" title="User:Mathsci">Mathsci</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathsci" title="User talk:Mathsci">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-Mathsci-2009-06-02T22:18:00.000Z-June_2009" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 2 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathsci-2009-06-02T22:18:00.000Z-June_2009"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathsci-2009-06-02T22:18:00.000Z-June_2009"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="user-block unblock-reviewed" style="padding: 5px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #a9a9a9; background-color: var(--background-color-warning-subtle, #fdf2d5); color: inherit;"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bjweeks-2009-06-03T06:55:00.000Z-June_2009"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/48px-Appointment_red.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="48" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/72px-Appointment_red.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/96px-Appointment_red.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <b>This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators" title="Wikipedia:Administrators">administrator</a>, who declined the request.</b> Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocking policy</a>). <p><a href="/wiki/User:TheThankful" title="User:TheThankful">TheThankful</a> <span class="plainlinks" style="font-size:88%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:TheThankful">block log</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&action=search&ip=TheThankful">active blocks</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:GlobalBlockList&ip=TheThankful">global blocks</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheThankful" title="Special:Contributions/TheThankful">contribs</a><span class="sysop-show"> • <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/TheThankful" title="Special:DeletedContributions/TheThankful">deleted contribs</a></span> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=TheThankful">filter log</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=newusers&user=TheThankful">creation log</a><span class="sysop-show"> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/TheThankful" title="Special:Block/TheThankful">change block settings</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&action=unblock&ip=TheThankful">unblock</a></span><span class="checkuser-show"> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUser&user=TheThankful&reason=%5B%5BUser+talk%3ATheThankful%5D%5D%2C+unblock+request">checkuser</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUserLog&cuSearch=TheThankful">log</a>)</span>)</span> </p> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <hr/> <p><b>Request reason</b>: </p> <div style="margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 2em;"> <p>It says I have been blocked because I'm a sockpuppet of Gregory Clegg. I am not a sockpuppet of Gregory Clegg. (There are numerous people who use this ISP though) I was blocked for 3RR which I have not since engaged in doing. I am simply trying to discuss possible future content on the <a href="/wiki/Europe" title="Europe">Europe</a> article so it reflects the vast amount of archaeological and historical evidence available. I would appreciate being unblocked. </p> </div> <p><b>Decline reason</b>: </p> <div style="margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 2em;"> <p>CU evidence confirms. <a href="/wiki/User:Bjweeks" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Bjweeks">BJ</a><small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bjweeks" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Bjweeks">Talk</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheThankful#c-Bjweeks-2009-06-03T06:55:00.000Z-June_2009" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bjweeks-2009-06-03T06:55:00.000Z-June_2009"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bjweeks-2009-06-03T06:55:00.000Z-June_2009"></span> </p> </div> <hr/> <p>If you want to make any further unblock requests, please <b>read the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_appealing_blocks" title="Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks">guide to appealing blocks</a> first</b>, then use the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unblock" title="Template:Unblock">unblock</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. <b>Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.</b> </p> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ichthus:_January_2012" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ichthus:_January_2012"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ichthus:_January_2012"></span><i>Ichthus</i>: January 2012<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ichthus:_January_2012"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TheThankful&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Ichthus: January 2012"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div style="font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> <table style="text-align:center; border:10px solid black; background-color:black; width:100%;"> <tbody><tr> <td><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Ichthus_dark_yellow.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Ichthus_dark_yellow.png/55px-Ichthus_dark_yellow.png" decoding="async" width="55" height="28" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Ichthus_dark_yellow.png/83px-Ichthus_dark_yellow.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Ichthus_dark_yellow.png/110px-Ichthus_dark_yellow.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="100"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 350%; 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