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display: block; max-width: 100%;"></div> <div class="article-content "> <script async defer src="https://proxy.beyondwords.io/npm/@beyondwords/player@latest/dist/umd.js" onload="new BeyondWords.Player({ target: document.getElementById('player'), widgetTarget: document.getElementById('initial'), projectId: 62, showBottomWidget: false, highlightSections: 'none', clickableSections: 'none', //playbackState: 'playing', sourceId: '1363434' }); "> </script> <div id="player"></div> <div id="initial" style="display: none;"></div> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said the presence of South Africa and other African states at the 10th Moscow Conference on International Security this week was “visible confirmation” that the US and Nato had failed to isolate Russia because of its war against Ukraine. </span></p><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Defence Minister Thandi Modise is heading a </span><span style="font-weight: 400;">South African delegation</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"> to the conference. </span></p><div class="dm_add_wrapper "><div class="ad-control-heading text-center">advertisement</div><div class='dm_add' id='DM-GAM-M-Article-mob-mpu-1' data-unit-sizes="[[300,450],[300,250],[320,100],[336,280],[250,250],['fluid'],[1,1]]" data-unit-name='/5624990/South_africa/Articles' data-unit-position='mob-mpu-1' style='' data-refresh='true' data-refresh-time='30' data-refresh-max='3' data-unit-target='mobile' ></div><div class="ad-control-link text-center">Don't want to see this? <a href="javascript:void(0);" class="ad-control-link__text js-ad-control-link-text explore-more-ad-cont">Remove ads</a></div></div><p><span style="font-weight: 400;"><em>Read more in</em> Daily Maverick<em>:</em> <em>“</em></span><em><a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-15-flying-circus-thandi-modises-shocking-trip-to-russian-security-conference/">Flying Circus — Thandi Modise’s shocking trip to Russian security conference</a><span style="font-weight: 400;">”</span></em></p><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">“It is very encouraging that prominent military commanders from our friendly states — Burundi, Cameroon, Guinea, Mali, Sudan, Uganda, Chad, Ethiopia and the Republic of South Africa — are present in this hall today,” Shoigu said at the conference. </span></p><div id="fourth-par-video" style="position: relative; display: block; max-width: 100%;"></div><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">“We appreciate your support and intend to increase cooperation on mutually beneficial projects… Despite attempts of the US and Nato to isolate Russia once again, your participation in the forum is a visible confirmation that these plans have collapsed.”</span></p><p><span style="font-weight: 400;"><em>Read more in</em> Daily Maverick<em>:</em> <em>“</em></span><em><a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-16-sa-defence-minister-thandi-modise-delivers-peace-message-in-moscow/">Huh? In Moscow, Defence Minister Thandi Modise calls for ‘warmongers’ to be dragged to the ‘table of peace</a>’ ”</em></p><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Shoigu said African governments and leaders were “holding their own” and pursuing their own agendas of independence, sovereignty, economic development and defence capability in a multipolar world. They were thereby resisting, he implied, the pressure from the West “to return to the order and rules of engagement typical of the colonial period”.</span></p><h4><b>‘Radical change’</b></h4><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">This was “a time of radical change in global and regional security. The unconditional dominance of the US and its allies is a thing of the past.</span></p><div id="in-article-action-1"></div><div id="attachment_1352108" style="width: 730px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/raygreg-blunderingpandor/"><img fetchpriority="high" data-recalc-dims="1" fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1352108" class="size-full wp-image-1352108" src="https://i0.wp.com/www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RayGreg-BlunderingPandor.jpg?resize=720%2C360&quality=89&ssl=1" alt="After the Bell" width="720" height="360" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-1352108" class="wp-caption-text">Russian President Vladimir Putin (right) and South African President Cyril Ramaphosa during an official welcome ceremony for heads of states and governments at the Russia-Africa Summit in the Black Sea resort of Sochi, Russia, 23 October 2019. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Sergei Chiriov / Pool)</div><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">“On February 24, 2022, the start of the special military operation in Ukraine marked the end of the unipolar world. Multipolarity has become a reality. The poles of this world are clearly defined. The main difference between them is that some respect the interests of sovereign states and take into account the cultural and historical particularities of countries and peoples, while others disregard them.”</span></p><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Shoigu said that in Ukraine, “The Russian military is being confronted by combined Western forces that run the leadership of that country in a hybrid war against Russia.”</span></p><hr /><p><strong>Visit <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=in_article_link&utm_campaign=homepage"><em>Daily Maverick’s</em> home page</a> for more news, analysis and investigations</strong></p><hr /><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">“Nato’s efforts are aimed at prolonging the agony of the Kyiv regime,” he said, but insisted that the goals of Russia’s “special military operation” (its euphemism for the invasion of Ukraine) would nonetheless be achieved and that the West’s plans to strategically and economically weaken Russia were failing.</span></p><div class="dm_add_wrapper "><div class="ad-control-heading text-center">advertisement</div><div class='dm_add' id='DM-GAM-M-Article-mob-mpu-2' data-unit-sizes="[[300,450],[300,250],[320,100],[336,280],[250,250],['fluid']]" data-unit-name='/5624990/South_africa/Articles' data-unit-position='mob-mpu-2' style='' data-refresh='true' data-refresh-time='30' data-refresh-max='3' data-unit-target='mobile' ></div><div class="ad-control-link text-center">Don't want to see this? <a href="javascript:void(0);" class="ad-control-link__text js-ad-control-link-text explore-more-ad-cont">Remove ads</a></div></div><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">“The dollar has not reached the ceiling of 200 roubles, as predicted by the US president, the Russian economy has stood firm.” (The current exchange rate is about 60.5 roubles to the dollar.)</span></p><h4><b>Western ‘superweapons’</b></h4><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Shoigu also claimed that “superweapons” which Western countries have begun supplying to Ukraine — such as the US Himars multiple long-range missile system and long-range howitzers — were not having a “significant impact” on the war. However, he added that Russia was studying these “trophy weapons” captured in Ukraine to improve Russia’s counter to them.</span></p><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">“The supply of Nato weapons to Kyiv means that Western countries are responsible for their inhumane use and for the deaths of civilians in Donbas and in the liberated territories. </span></p><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">“Ukrainian armed forces operations are planned in Washington and London. Not only are the coordinates of the targets to be attacked provided by Western intelligence, but the input of this data into weapons systems is conducted under the full control of Western specialists.</span></p><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">“Kyiv’s role in the West’s combat approach has been reduced to supplying manpower, which is seen as expendable. This explains the huge loss of personnel in Ukraine’s armed forces and territorial defence formations.</span></p><div class="dm_add_wrapper "><div class="ad-control-heading text-center">advertisement</div><div class='dm_add' id='DM-GAM-M-Article-mob-mpu-3' data-unit-sizes="[[300,450],[300,250],[320,100],[336,280],[250,250],['fluid']]" data-unit-name='/5624990/South_africa/Articles' data-unit-position='mob-mpu-3' style='' data-refresh='true' data-refresh-time='30' data-refresh-max='3' data-unit-target='mobile' ></div><div class="ad-control-link text-center">Don't want to see this? <a href="javascript:void(0);" class="ad-control-link__text js-ad-control-link-text explore-more-ad-cont">Remove ads</a></div></div><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">“So far, the real figures of dead soldiers and mobilised so-called territorial defence forces have been concealed by the Kyiv leadership. In time, however, this information will become public.”</span></p><h4><b>Nuclear and chemical arms</b></h4><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Shoigu dismissed <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/12/did-russia-really-use-chemical-weapons-mariupol-ukraine-expert-remain-sceptical">speculation in Western media</a> about Russia’s readiness to use tactical nuclear weapons or chemical weapons in Ukraine as “gibberish” and “lies”. </span></p><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">“From a military point of view, there is no need to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine to achieve its goals. The main purpose of Russian nuclear weapons is to deter a nuclear attack. Their use is limited to extraordinary circumstances as defined in the Russian guideline documents, which are open to public inspection.”</span></p><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Shoigu also claimed that — unlike the US — Russia had completely destroyed all its chemical weapons, in 2017. He repeated earlier claims that the US had conducted banned military and biological research in Ukraine. He also insisted that Russian military commanders were complying with the Geneva Conventions on humane warfare.</span></p><h4><strong>Atrocity accusations</strong></h4><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Russian troops have been widely accused of atrocities in Ukraine, including the torture and execution of civilians and the rape of women.</span></p><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Shoigu rejected Nato’s justification for admitting Sweden and Finland as members, that it was a response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. He said the two countries had been cooperating practically with Nato for years. </span></p><div class="dm_add_wrapper "><div class="ad-control-heading text-center">advertisement</div><div class='dm_add' id='DM-GAM-M-Article-mob-mpu-4' data-unit-sizes="[[300,450],[300,250],[320,100],[336,280],[250,250],['fluid']]" data-unit-name='/5624990/South_africa/Articles' data-unit-position='mob-mpu-4' style='' data-refresh='true' data-refresh-time='30' data-refresh-max='3' data-unit-target='mobile' ></div><div class="ad-control-link text-center">Don't want to see this? <a href="javascript:void(0);" class="ad-control-link__text js-ad-control-link-text explore-more-ad-cont">Remove ads</a></div></div><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">He repeated Russia’s threat that if Nato deployed strike weapons to Sweden and Finland, this would “change the security environment in the Baltic region and the Arctic and will require a reconsideration of approaches to defence of Russian territory”.</span></p><p><span 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class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6018917">18 August 2022 at 06:11</a> </div> <p>It would be very interesting to understand what percentage of people in South Africa support our minister Thandi. I have a feeling it is a lot less than 50%! Of course more than 50% live in such squalor they would not care. </p> <p>This relationship between the ANC and Russia is a concern as it will affect the real Western investments we receive. </p> <p>Viva! A better life for all……….ANC elite.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser odd alt depth-2 parent" id="comment-6019323"> <div id="div-comment-6019323" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Wendy Dewberry</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6019323">18 August 2022 at 07:48</a> </div> <p>I agree. The average decent citizen of SA is not aligned with Russia after the Ukraine war invasions. Proof that our government makes decisions based on money rather than ethics. But is any political institution anywhere in the world any different in that regard ?</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser even depth-3" id="comment-6029316"> <div id="div-comment-6029316" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Johann Olivier</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6029316">19 August 2022 at 21:24</a> </div> <p>Yes, Ms Dewberry. The Europeans are accepting enormous, immediate & ongoing pain to support Ukraine. So, they ARE different in that regard.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 parent" id="comment-6018992"> <div id="div-comment-6018992" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Sheda Habib</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6018992">18 August 2022 at 06:38</a> </div> <p>Mr Jones</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" 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class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser even thread-even depth-1" id="comment-6019011"> <div id="div-comment-6019011" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Miles Japhet</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6019011">18 August 2022 at 06:47</a> </div> <p>So attacking a sovereign country, where the majority of its citizens are happy with the status quo, is OK?<br /> Commentary on the Wests’ support of the Ukraine is irrelevant – their support should not have been needed in the first place.<br /> The ANC is hypocritical – their heads are buried in the past.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-6019030"> <div id="div-comment-6019030" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Malcolm McManus</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6019030">18 August 2022 at 06:53</a> </div> <p>We do not want to get in the middle of this conflict between the East and the West. Notably very recent visits from delegations from both America and Russia to African countries including South Africa are most likely aimed at involvement in African affairs and both countries have hidden agendas. Ukraine most certainly would have been a talking point. Any war should be condemned. We do not want to be taking sides in any wars. This war is far more about the Eastern and Western governments capitalist objectives than about Ukraine itself. Ukraine is one of the countries globally that finds itself as a battleground in the middle. Africa is rapidly getting itself involved in the middle of another cold war and this must be avoided at all costs.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser even thread-even depth-1 parent" id="comment-6019104"> <div id="div-comment-6019104" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Willem Boshoff</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6019104">18 August 2022 at 07:06</a> </div> <p>The ANC, much like Mugabe, has a deep seated resentment against the West which poisons their judgement and causes them to turn a blind eye to atrocities. The comrades are still very much comrades and the expansion of NATO is a thorn in their sides. Russia’s nuclear arsenal safeguards them against any severe military action from NATO, but I guess “feeling threatened” will be a good a reason as any to invade a sovereign state when your war is an ideological one. Shame on the ANC.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser odd alt depth-2 parent" id="comment-6019535"> <div id="div-comment-6019535" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Christopher Bedford</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6019535">18 August 2022 at 08:21</a> </div> <p>Shame indeed. The ANC does a lot of things that make me shake my head in despair but this makes me *angry*. Just because the commies supported the struggle they feel some kind of solidarity with Russia – not even the same country, and certainly no longer communist. And the remarks by Shoigu are exactly what commentators said SA’s “neutrality” would lead to: Russia’s belief that support – by any country – is validation of their illegal, immoral position on Ukraine.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser even depth-3" id="comment-6020314"> <div id="div-comment-6020314" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Ludwig Braum</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6020314">18 August 2022 at 10:08</a> </div> <p>Don‘t forget that both Russia and Ukraine were part of that Soviet Union, which „helped“ with the struggle.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 parent" id="comment-6019426"> <div id="div-comment-6019426" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Beyond Fedup</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6019426">18 August 2022 at 08:03</a> </div> <p>Putin’s Russia, in true Soviet style, the DNA is the same, is a putrid stinking swamp of lies, propaganda, misinformation and deception. Add mass murder and state sponsored violence and repression as well. They are masters of denial, evil and are hideous beyond words. Only the most wayward, idiotic and morally bankrupt would believe such crap and governments that are attending are a veritable gang of outcasts. They talk about sovereignty, nations charting their own course etc – the hypocrisy and double standards are astounding when they are conducting a genocidal murderous illegal and unjustified war against a neighbour wanting the same. NATO is not prolonging the war, they are assisting a nation fight for its freedom and independence. The odious vile Putin expects and demands carte blanche to do as he pleases, as if he has Divine right to restore his lost empire, which added no value to any nation and was kept in control through violence, retribution and murder. Today is Ukraine, tomorrow is Moldavia, Estonia etc. This wicked little nothing-nik of a KGB thug, with so much blood on his hands, must go back to his country and get lost forever, hopefully 6ft under in shit-hole where he belongs. Eternal shame on the SA government for its blind support and participation. This country can and will only move forward once this abominable party that it has become is consigned to the rubbish heap or even more appropriately, the sewerage where it belong. Betrayal/treason!</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser even depth-2 parent" id="comment-6019590"> <div id="div-comment-6019590" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Bryan Shepstone</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6019590">18 August 2022 at 08:35</a> </div> <p>Hear, hear! 👍</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser odd alt depth-3 parent" id="comment-6019932"> <div id="div-comment-6019932" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Marilyn Keegan</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6019932">18 August 2022 at 09:25</a> </div> <p>Agree 100% with you Sergio. The ANC seem to have completely forgotten that they are a party that liberated South Africa. Now, they side with the very worst human rights abusers in the world. My son lives in America and I have friends and family that live in the UK. If the ANC thinks that I , as a South African citizen, will join Russia in any Third World War against the West, they truly are living in a delusional world. The simple equation West= Colonialism is so stupid and so devoid of any reasoned intellectual thinking that it beggars belief.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser even depth-4" id="comment-6021555"> <div id="div-comment-6021555" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Gerrie Pretorius Pretorius</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6021555">18 August 2022 at 13:00</a> </div> <p>Marilyn, the anc only ‘liberated’ the masses for the benefit of a few deployee cadres eating at the trough of riches supplied by the taxpayers of SA. They have never been an organisation of integrity. Look at their ‘bible’ the NDR and it is clear that destruction of the country for the benefit of a few has always been the goal.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser odd alt depth-3" id="comment-6020978"> <div id="div-comment-6020978" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Stephen Fish</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6020978">18 August 2022 at 11:49</a> </div> <p>Agreed!</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser even depth-3" id="comment-6020997"> <div id="div-comment-6020997" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Stephen Fish</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6020997">18 August 2022 at 11:54</a> </div> <p>Agree with you Bryan!!</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser odd alt depth-2" id="comment-6022115"> <div id="div-comment-6022115" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Tim Price</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6022115">18 August 2022 at 14:42</a> </div> <p>You’ve set it out perfectly, well done.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser even thread-even depth-1" id="comment-6019776"> <div id="div-comment-6019776" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Jeff Hume</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6019776">18 August 2022 at 09:09</a> </div> <p>The ANC’s kowtowing to Russian aggression should embarrass all South Africans and should be embarrassing to the ANC, as Putin’s Russia and its oligarchs is the best example of White Monopoly Capital on the planet.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-6019787"> <div id="div-comment-6019787" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">John Forbes</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6019787">18 August 2022 at 09:11</a> </div> <p>What a sad, sad country we have become, being a lap dog to Russia, which country has retreated back into the cold, and beyond, where the USSR once was. </p> <p>It is interesting to see who is also at the Russian conference from Africa. Burundi, Cameroon, Guinea, Mali, Sudan, Uganda, Chad and Ethiopia. Are they the company that we want to be aligned with. All the major African players are absent and with good reason. And to think that South Africa was once seen as the powerhouse of Africa. How low we have sunk!</p> <p>One thing is for sure, the ANC does no longer represents the majority of South Africans, but they are too blind to see.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser even thread-even depth-1 parent" id="comment-6019842"> <div id="div-comment-6019842" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Fran Gebhardt</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6019842">18 August 2022 at 09:19</a> </div> <p>Is there a word for sabotage of the country by its own government?</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser odd alt depth-2" id="comment-6022902"> <div id="div-comment-6022902" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Helen Swingler</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6022902">18 August 2022 at 16:47</a> </div> <p>Treason.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-6020323"> <div id="div-comment-6020323" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Colleen Dardagan</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6020323">18 August 2022 at 10:12</a> </div> <p>Well I guess if we get cheap fuel from Russia and our tame oligarch pays the ANC Provident Fund payments, well who gives a damn! Any South African with half a brain is hanging their head in shame. This is just disgraceful.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser odd alt thread-even depth-1" id="comment-6020329"> <div id="div-comment-6020329" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Keith Scott</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6020329">18 August 2022 at 10:14</a> </div> <p>Please forget all the analysis and angst. It’s all about the money that the ANC receives from Russia. It seems that some journalists and readers have forgotten a tidy little arrangement as outlined in the Amabhungane article in the DM on 9 May: “ANC’s manganese ‘gold’ mine joint venture with sanctioned Russian oligarch”</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-6020466"> <div id="div-comment-6020466" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Mariella Norman</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6020466">18 August 2022 at 10:34</a> </div> <p>I wonder if, and how much, the ANC got paid by Putin or an oligarch to attend this conference. Maybe our sleuth journalists can follow the money.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser odd alt thread-even depth-1" id="comment-6020774"> <div id="div-comment-6020774" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Neil Parker</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6020774">18 August 2022 at 11:22</a> </div> <p>I cannot find a single mitigating factor to justify our government’s stance. If times were different and this government was in power when Hitler invaded Poland , they would surely have trotted out the same garbage that they are now. The ANC has delusions of grandeur if they somehow think that by pandering (I can think of less flattering words!) to Russia, they can become players on the world stage.</p> <p>Thandi Modise a “prominent military commander”. Oh please! Perhaps more pertinently, has the ANC’s RET faction staged something of a palace coup because I am sure (or at least would hope!) there are saner heads within the ranks ?</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-6020905"> <div id="div-comment-6020905" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Concerned . .</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6020905">18 August 2022 at 11:40</a> </div> <p>I knew the ANC was out of touch with the SA people, but this is like they are living on the moon….. I am honestly embarrassed by the minister’s speech and physical presence in Russia. In the broader sense this is a struggle between autocracy and democracy, and the ANC, the leader of our democratic South Africa are showing what style of rule they prefer………… the whole country should be very worried</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser odd alt thread-even depth-1 parent" id="comment-6022407"> <div id="div-comment-6022407" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Brian Van Der Vijver</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6022407">18 August 2022 at 15:13</a> </div> <p>A completely one sided article with very little in the way of historical context. Regurgitated Main Stream Media `news` and `morality`.<br /> After all what is NATO doing along Russia`s border and why have they offered NATO membership to Ukraine when the cold War was supposed to have ended in 1991? Honorable intentions no doubt.<br /> What about the endless war crimes committed by the US and their poodles? The destruction and anarchy in the wake of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria, etc. gets no mention from our moral friends. With the Main Stream Media`s constant cheerleading. They knew, and so should you, that the causes of these conflicts were based on blatant lies.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser even depth-2" id="comment-6022989"> <div id="div-comment-6022989" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Malcolm McManus</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6022989">18 August 2022 at 17:06</a> </div> <p>I agree. I am certainly no fan of Russia, but neither a fan of the West. Both have dodgy histories and as you have mentioned, based on main stream media. Our media is very aligned to the west. As an African, I wish we could get it together to make our country and continent great without having to be puppets for the East or West. Wishful thinking though.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser odd alt depth-2" id="comment-6023252"> <div id="div-comment-6023252" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Paddy Ross</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6023252">18 August 2022 at 18:13</a> </div> <p>One can not apparently say it enough times “NATO is a defensive organisation” to which democratic nations apply for membership so that if they are invaded by any aggressor, NATO members will join with them in repulsing the aggressor. Remember the Four Musketeers? – ” All for one, one for all”.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser even depth-2" id="comment-6023692"> <div id="div-comment-6023692" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Neil Parker</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6023692">18 August 2022 at 20:29</a> </div> <p>Syria ? You mention Syria. I didn’t know that Putin was a US poodle – now that’s news to me! But let’s hope that if somehow the mess in Ukraine can be resolved, a saner world will find means to settle the conflicts in all of those countries. I would add that “whataboutism” is – in general – not particularly helpful and certainly does not justify the atrocities perpetrated against the people of Ukraine not to mention Syria.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 parent" id="comment-6023022"> <div id="div-comment-6023022" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Sheda Habib</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6023022">18 August 2022 at 17:12</a> </div> <p>I read a comment below and went and spoke to our workforce of 65 pax.<br /> 47 voted for Russia.<br /> What was interesting is that many of the known, racist leaning few, made up the majority of the remaining 18 backing the USA.<br /> Wake up, smell the roses, South Africans are not captured by foreign Western propaganda.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser even depth-2" id="comment-6033607"> <div id="div-comment-6033607" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Rg Bolleurs</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6033607">20 August 2022 at 19:48</a> </div> <p>So it’s just fine for a dictatorship to invade a democracy just because it feels like it ? Democracies have freedom, dictatorships are jails.</p> <p>Funny how russia and China have zero problems with immigration. Nobody in their right mind would want to go there.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser odd alt thread-even depth-1 parent" id="comment-6023052"> <div id="div-comment-6023052" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Peter Brink</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6023052">18 August 2022 at 17:18</a> </div> <p>I cannot imagine Nelson Mandela posing with a dictator who is in the midst of brutally invading a democratic neighboring nation.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser even depth-2" id="comment-6024733"> <div id="div-comment-6024733" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Malcolm McManus</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6024733">19 August 2022 at 06:50</a> </div> <p>I can imagine him posing with many dictators though, who oppress their own people. In fact, perhaps I don’t have to imagine it.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-6029310"> <div id="div-comment-6029310" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Johann Olivier</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine/#comment-6029310">19 August 2022 at 21:22</a> </div> <p>LOL! Military co-operation from Russia? That would fit right into the South African playbook. Based on what we’ve seen in Ukraine, it’s all sub-standard, most often due to corruption & inept management. The one unintended consequence of the Russian invasion of Ukraine is that the former has been shown to be a somewhat toothless tiger that garners respect ONLY because it has the world’s largest nuclear arsenal.</p> <div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/dm-admin/?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymaverick.co.za%2Farticle%2F2022-08-17-russia-welcomes-friendly-state-sas-support-but-do-we-also-support-invasion-bombardment-and-war-crimes-in-ukraine%2F">Log in to Reply</a></div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser even thread-even depth-1" id="comment-6076637"> <div id="div-comment-6076637" class="comment-body"> <div class="comment-author vcard"> <cite class="fn">Sheda Habib</cite> <span class="says">says:</span> </div> <div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a 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It does not store any personal data.</td></tr></tbody></table> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="cli-tab-section"> <div class="cli-tab-header"> <a role="button" tabindex="0" class="cli-nav-link cli-settings-mobile" data-target="functional" data-toggle="cli-toggle-tab"> Functional </a> <div class="cli-switch"> <input type="checkbox" id="wt-cli-checkbox-functional" class="cli-user-preference-checkbox" data-id="checkbox-functional" /> <label for="wt-cli-checkbox-functional" class="cli-slider" data-cli-enable="Enabled" data-cli-disable="Disabled"><span class="wt-cli-sr-only">Functional</span></label> </div> </div> <div class="cli-tab-content"> <div class="cli-tab-pane cli-fade" data-id="functional"> <div class="wt-cli-cookie-description"> Functional cookies help to perform certain functionalities like sharing the content of the website on social media platforms, collect feedbacks, and other third-party features. <table class="cookielawinfo-row-cat-table cookielawinfo-winter"><thead><tr><th class="cookielawinfo-column-1">Cookie</th><th class="cookielawinfo-column-3">Duration</th><th class="cookielawinfo-column-4">Description</th></tr></thead><tbody><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">__atuvc</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year 1 month</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by Addthis to make sure you see the updated count if you share a page and return to it before our share count cache is updated.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">__atuvs</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">30 minutes</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by Addthis to make sure you see the updated count if you share a page and return to it before our share count cache is updated.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">__cf_bm</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">30 minutes</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by CloudFlare. The cookie is used to support Cloudflare Bot Management.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">__pvi</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 day</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is used for the implementation of the news content from other sites.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">bcookie</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">2 years</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by linkedIn. The purpose of the cookie is to enable LinkedIn functionalities on the page.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">lidc</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 day</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by LinkedIn and used for routing.</td></tr></tbody></table> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="cli-tab-section"> <div class="cli-tab-header"> <a role="button" tabindex="0" class="cli-nav-link cli-settings-mobile" data-target="performance" data-toggle="cli-toggle-tab"> Performance </a> <div class="cli-switch"> <input type="checkbox" id="wt-cli-checkbox-performance" class="cli-user-preference-checkbox" data-id="checkbox-performance" /> <label for="wt-cli-checkbox-performance" class="cli-slider" data-cli-enable="Enabled" data-cli-disable="Disabled"><span class="wt-cli-sr-only">Performance</span></label> </div> </div> <div class="cli-tab-content"> <div class="cli-tab-pane cli-fade" data-id="performance"> <div class="wt-cli-cookie-description"> Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. <table class="cookielawinfo-row-cat-table cookielawinfo-winter"><thead><tr><th class="cookielawinfo-column-1">Cookie</th><th class="cookielawinfo-column-3">Duration</th><th class="cookielawinfo-column-4">Description</th></tr></thead><tbody><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">d</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">3 months</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie tracks anonymous information on how visitors use the website.</td></tr></tbody></table> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="cli-tab-section"> <div class="cli-tab-header"> <a role="button" tabindex="0" class="cli-nav-link cli-settings-mobile" data-target="analytics" data-toggle="cli-toggle-tab"> Analytics </a> <div class="cli-switch"> <input type="checkbox" id="wt-cli-checkbox-analytics" class="cli-user-preference-checkbox" data-id="checkbox-analytics" /> <label for="wt-cli-checkbox-analytics" class="cli-slider" data-cli-enable="Enabled" data-cli-disable="Disabled"><span class="wt-cli-sr-only">Analytics</span></label> </div> </div> <div class="cli-tab-content"> <div class="cli-tab-pane cli-fade" data-id="analytics"> <div class="wt-cli-cookie-description"> Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. <table class="cookielawinfo-row-cat-table cookielawinfo-winter"><thead><tr><th class="cookielawinfo-column-1">Cookie</th><th class="cookielawinfo-column-3">Duration</th><th class="cookielawinfo-column-4">Description</th></tr></thead><tbody><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">__gads</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year 24 days</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by Google and stored under the name dounleclick.com. This cookie is used to track how many times users see a particular advert which helps in measuring the success of the campaign and calculate the revenue generated by the campaign. These cookies can only be read from the domain that it is set on so it will not track any data while browsing through another sites.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">_ga</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">2 years</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is installed by Google Analytics. The cookie is used to calculate visitor, session, campaign data and keep track of site usage for the site's analytics report. The cookies store information anonymously and assign a randomly generated number to identify unique visitors.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">_ga_Y7XD5FHQVG</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">2 years</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is installed by Google Analytics.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">_gat_UA-10686674-1</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 minute</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This is a pattern type cookie set by Google Analytics, where the pattern element on the name contains the unique identity number of the account or website it relates to. It appears to be a variation of the _gat cookie which is used to limit the amount of data recorded by Google on high traffic volume websites.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">_gid</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 day</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is installed by Google Analytics. The cookie is used to store information of how visitors use a website and helps in creating an analytics report of how the website is doing. The data collected including the number visitors, the source where they have come from, and the pages visted in an anonymous form.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">ajs_anonymous_id</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">never</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by Segment.io to check the number of ew and returning visitors to the website.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">ajs_user_id</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">never</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The cookie is set by Segment.io and is used to analyze how you use the website</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">ANON_ID</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">3 months</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is provided by Tribalfusion. The cookie is used to give a unique number to visitors, and collects data on user behaviour like what page have been visited. This cookie also helps to understand which sale has been generated by as a result of the advertisement served by third party.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">jam_heavy_ga_session</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">5 years</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is installed by Google Analytics.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">UserID1</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">3 months</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The cookie sets a unique anonymous ID for a website visitor. This ID is used to continue to identify users across different sessions and track their activities on the website. The data collected is used for analysis.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">uvc</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year 1 month</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The cookie is set by addthis.com to determine the usage of Addthis.com service.</td></tr></tbody></table> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="cli-tab-section"> <div class="cli-tab-header"> <a role="button" tabindex="0" class="cli-nav-link cli-settings-mobile" data-target="advertisement" data-toggle="cli-toggle-tab"> Advertisement </a> <div class="cli-switch"> <input type="checkbox" id="wt-cli-checkbox-advertisement" class="cli-user-preference-checkbox" data-id="checkbox-advertisement" /> <label for="wt-cli-checkbox-advertisement" class="cli-slider" data-cli-enable="Enabled" data-cli-disable="Disabled"><span class="wt-cli-sr-only">Advertisement</span></label> </div> </div> <div class="cli-tab-content"> <div class="cli-tab-pane cli-fade" data-id="advertisement"> <div class="wt-cli-cookie-description"> Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. <table class="cookielawinfo-row-cat-table cookielawinfo-winter"><thead><tr><th class="cookielawinfo-column-1">Cookie</th><th class="cookielawinfo-column-3">Duration</th><th class="cookielawinfo-column-4">Description</th></tr></thead><tbody><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">__tbc</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">2 years</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is used for measuring the efficiency of advertisement by registering data on visitors from multiple website.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">_cc_aud</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">8 months 26 days</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The cookie is set by crwdcntrl.net. The purpose of the cookie is to collect statistical information in an anonymous form about the visitors of the website. The data collected include number of visits, average time spent on the website, and the what pages have been loaded. These data are then used to segment audiences based on the geographical location, demographic, and user interest provide relevant content and for advertisers for targeted advertising.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">_cc_cc</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">session</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The cookie is set by crwdcntrl.net. The purpose of the cookie is to collect statistical information in an anonymous form about the visitors of the website. The data collected include number of visits, average time spent on the website, and the what pages have been loaded. These data are then used to segment audiences based on the geographical location, demographic, and user interest provide relevant content and for advertisers for targeted advertising.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">_cc_dc</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">8 months 26 days</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The cookie is set by crwdcntrl.net. The purpose of the cookie is to collect statistical information in an anonymous form about the visitors of the website. The data collected include number of visits, average time spent on the website, and the what pages have been loaded. These data are then used to segment audiences based on the geographical location, demographic, and user interest provide relevant content and for advertisers for targeted advertising.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">_cc_id</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">8 months 26 days</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The cookie is set by crwdcntrl.net. The purpose of the cookie is to collect statistical information in an anonymous form about the visitors of the website. The data collected include number of visits, average time spent on the website, and the what pages have been loaded. These data are then used to segment audiences based on the geographical location, demographic, and user interest provide relevant content and for advertisers for targeted advertising.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">_kuid_</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">5 months 27 days</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The cookie is set by Krux Digital under the domain krxd.net. The cookie stores a unique ID to identify a returning user for the purpose of targeted advertising.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">_rxuuid</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The main purpose of this cookie is targeting, advertesing and effective marketing. This cookie is used to set a unique ID to the visitors, which allow third party advertisers to target the visitors with relevant advertisement up to 1 year.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">ANON_ID_old</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">3 months</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie helps to categorise the users interest and to create profiles in terms of resales of targeted marketing. This cookie is used to collect user information such as what pages have been viewed on the website for creating profiles.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">bscookie</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">2 years</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is a browser ID cookie set by Linked share Buttons and ad tags.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">CMID</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The cookie is set by CasaleMedia. The cookie is used to collect information about the usage behavior for targeted advertising.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">CMPRO</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">3 months</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by Casalemedia and is used for targeted advertisement purposes.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">CMPS</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">3 months</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by Casalemedia and is used for targeted advertisement purposes.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">CMST</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 day</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The cookie is set by CasaleMedia. The cookie is used to collect information about the usage behavior for targeted advertising.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">DSID</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 hour</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is setup by doubleclick.net. This cookie is used by Google to make advertising more engaging to users and are stored under doubleclick.net. It contains an encrypted unique ID.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">google_push</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">5 minutes</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by the Bidswitch. This cookie is used to collect statistical data related to the user website visit such as the number of visits, average time spent on the website and what pages have been loaded. This collected information is used to sort out the users based on demographics and geographical locations inorder to serve them with relevant online advertising.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">i</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The purpose of the cookie is not known yet.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">id</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">3 months</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The main purpose of this cookie is targeting and advertising. It is used to create a profile of the user's interest and to show relevant ads on their site. This Cookie is set by DoubleClick which is owned by Google.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">IDE</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year 24 days</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">Used by Google DoubleClick and stores information about how the user uses the website and any other advertisement before visiting the website. This is used to present users with ads that are relevant to them according to the user profile.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">IDSYNC</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is used for advertising purposes.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">KADUSERCOOKIE</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">3 months</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The cookie is set by pubmatic.com for identifying the visitors' website or device from which they visit PubMatic's partners' website.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">KTPCACOOKIE</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 day</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by pubmatic.com for the purpose of checking if third-party cookies are enabled on the user's website.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">ljt_reader</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This is a Lijit Advertising Platform cookie. The cookie is used for recognizing the browser or device when users return to their site or one of their partner's site.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">loc</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year 1 month</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by Addthis. This is a geolocation cookie to understand where the users sharing the information are located.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">mc</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year 1 month</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is associated with Quantserve to track anonymously how a user interact with the website.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">mt_mop</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 month</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">Stores information about how the user uses the website such as what pages have been loaded and any other advertisement before visiting the website for the purpose of targeted advertisements.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">personalization_id</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">2 years</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by twitter.com. It is used integrate the sharing features of this social media. It also stores information about how the user uses the website for tracking and targeting.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">suid_legacy</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is used to collect information on user preference and interactioin with the website campaign content. This cookie is used for promoting events and products by the webiste owners on CRM-campaign-platform.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">TDCPM</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The cookie is set by CloudFlare service to store a unique ID to identify a returning users device which then is used for targeted advertising.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">TDID</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The cookie is set by CloudFlare service to store a unique ID to identify a returning users device which then is used for targeted advertising.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">test_cookie</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">15 minutes</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by doubleclick.net. The purpose of the cookie is to determine if the user's browser supports cookies.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">tluid</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">3 months</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by the provider AdRoll.This cookie is used to identify the visitor and to serve them with relevant ads by collecting user behaviour from multiple websites.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">tuuid</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by .bidswitch.net. The cookies stores a unique ID for the purpose of the determining what adverts the users have seen if you have visited any of the advertisers website. The information is used for determining when and how often users will see a certain banner.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">tuuid_lu</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by .bidswitch.net. The cookies stores a unique ID for the purpose of the determining what adverts the users have seen if you have visited any of the advertisers website. The information is used for determining when and how often users will see a certain banner.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">uid</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">5 months 27 days</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is used to measure the number and behavior of the visitors to the website anonymously. The data includes the number of visits, average duration of the visit on the website, pages visited, etc. for the purpose of better understanding user preferences for targeted advertisments.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">uuid</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year 27 days</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">To optimize ad relevance by collecting visitor data from multiple websites such as what pages have been loaded.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">VISITOR_INFO1_LIVE</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">5 months 27 days</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">This cookie is set by Youtube. Used to track the information of the embedded YouTube videos on a website.</td></tr><tr class="cookielawinfo-row"><td class="cookielawinfo-column-1">wfivefivec</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-3">1 year 1 month</td><td class="cookielawinfo-column-4">The domain of this cookie is owned by Dataxu. 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