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(1-10)</strong><br> <br> 1 (see (5))<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?</strong><br> <br> Clear.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?</strong><br> <br> Interesting and clear.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?</strong><br> <br> None. The scenario doesn't work right now.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)</strong><br> <br> 1 (see (5))<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?</strong><br> <br> Fix it.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?</strong><br> <br> No.</div> <dl class="attachbox"> <dt> Attachments </dt> <dd> <dl class="file"> <dt><img src="./images/upload_icons/zip.gif" alt="" /> <a class="postlink" href="./download/file.php?id=85293&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914">THoT-High Pass replay.gz</a></dt> <dd>(15.67 KiB) Downloaded 491 times</dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div id="sig646688" class="signature"><a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewforum.php?f=68" class="postlink">UMC Replay Forum</a><br> <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C3RJNgIfYY6H6wU73drO8qSByelZNBXra-pvwNEu8RQ/edit#gid=231669847" class="postlink">List of all add-ons and (sort of) their status</a><br> <a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewforum.php?f=22" class="postlink">Mainline campaign feedback</a><br> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4DAMpKPPXlq9m0sA61VZ8Q" class="postlink">Where I upload Wesnoth streams</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p651569" class="post has-profile bg1"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile651569"> <dt class="no-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=197672&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">supperman</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=197672&sr=posts&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914">18</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> February 5th, 2020, 2:43 pm</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content651569"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=651569&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p651569">Re: Scenario Review: THoT 6 - High Pass</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=651569&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=651569&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p651569" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=197672&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">supperman</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2020-02-05T19:11:58+00:00">February 5th, 2020, 7:11 pm</time> </p> <div class="content"><blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=285950&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p285950"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=123454&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914">Content Feedback</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=285950&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p285950" data-post-id="285950" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">March 10th, 2008, 10:58 pm</span></cite> (1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?<br> Challenging on 1.12.5<br> <br> (2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)<br> 10 - Hardest in the campaign. I managed to do it after multiple tries because I happened to have multiple veterans close to leveling.<br> I also got lucky with the thunderguard, which soon leveled into dragonguard. I don't know how else I would have gotten rid of all wolves blocking the way.<br> <br> (3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?<br> Getting through was clear, but the hut with the mage isn't marked anyhow.<br> <br> (4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?<br> Good.<br> <br> (5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?<br> Number of enemies blocking the way.<br> <br> (6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)<br> 3. It's only about trying to get through the enemies before time runs out.<br> <br> (7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?<br> Enemy spawns should be less random. Instead of creating new enemies in the middle of the map, put a flock of wolves in each corner of the map from the beginning. They will reach the player at different times, so random spawns aren't needed. Also all ogres and gryphons should be on the map from the beginning. Just make sure they don't all meet the player at once. If you think there isn't enough action toward the end, make more enemies spawn at *the edge* of the map at some point.<br> <br> (8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?<br> Running out of time, a hero getting surrounded and killed while trying to reach the signpost in time.<br> Losing the loyal gryphon I didn't recall in latter tries. </div></blockquote></div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p666930" class="post has-profile bg2"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile666930"> <dt class="no-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=233278&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">JTamas</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=233278&sr=posts&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914">4</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> July 29th, 2021, 5:41 pm</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content666930"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=666930&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p666930">Re: Scenario Review: THoT 6 - High Pass</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=666930&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=666930&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p666930" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=233278&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">JTamas</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2021-07-29T18:43:24+00:00">July 29th, 2021, 6:43 pm</time> </p> <div class="content">I think this scenario was replaced (end possibly reworked)? It was scenario 4 in my campaign, if I recall correctly.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?</strong><br> <br> Medium, 1.15.15<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)</strong><br> <br> 4. Easy scenario to level some units.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?</strong><br> <br> Clear.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?</strong><br> <br> I don't think there was much story/dialog. <br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?</strong><br> <br> At one time, the enemy units that pop up in random places on this scenario trapped my leader. I could only get away by luck.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)</strong><br> <br> 7. I found it fun to fight with my dwarves in the mountains.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?</strong><br> <br> Some dialogue could be added the first time the random units appear.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?</strong><br> <br> No.</div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p669681" class="post has-profile bg1"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile669681"> <dt class="no-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=174735&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">KK188</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=174735&sr=posts&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914">6</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> January 8th, 2019, 2:46 am</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content669681"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=669681&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p669681">Re: Scenario Review: THoT 6 - High Pass</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=669681&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=669681&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p669681" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=174735&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">KK188</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2021-12-02T05:39:32+00:00">December 2nd, 2021, 5:39 am</time> </p> <div class="content">What a dumb scenario. Who designed it so that enemies spawn right next to your units, in good terrain, just to block your path. If this stupid spawning mechanic is to be kept, remove the griffins at least.</div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p670918" class="post has-profile bg2"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile670918"> <dt class="no-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=234844&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">mcbanhas</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=234844&sr=posts&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914">3</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> September 1st, 2021, 10:00 pm</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content670918"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=670918&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p670918">Re: Scenario Review: THoT 6 - High Pass</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=670918&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=670918&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p670918" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=234844&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">mcbanhas</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2022-01-17T13:16:07+00:00">January 17th, 2022, 1:16 pm</time> </p> <div class="content"><strong class="text-strong">(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?</strong><br> <br> 1.16.1, Normal (Steelclad)<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)</strong><br> <br> 10<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?</strong><br> <br> Clear.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?</strong><br> <br> Interesting and clear.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?</strong><br> <br> As of the latest revision this scenario appears to be unwinnable on normal difficulty unless you bring a very good carryover. This mission used to be lvl 5 instead of lvl 3 on previous revisions and my impression is that the difficulty wasn't really well accounted for this. The enemy frequently spawns very strong lvl 2 units (ogres, trolls) which are meaty and deal a lot of damage, and are supported by highly mobile flyers and skirmisher units (gryphons, wolves) which can very easily exploit weaknesses from the back or prevent any attempts from escape from the rear or sides. Dwarvish units excel in solid defensive lines, but are slow moving and difficult to maneuver which makes them very vulnerable to this sort of arrangement. The escort mission element doesn't help at all, since the constantly spawning enemy waves turn any forward push into a hopeless crawl. Moving through the forest is not a viable option either, given all enemy units have a defence advantage over yours in this environment and the gryphons can easily intercept a forward moving group. All in all, this scenario feels like nothing less than a perfect trap for your army.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)</strong><br> <br> 2<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?</strong><br> <br> Fixing this mission can be done in many ways, but I feel campaign framing must be considered first and foremost. The most important thing to be taken into account is that this is an intermediate level campaign, meaning that ideally, when played in normal difficulty, it should give the player some challenge without feeling overly taxing or dragging. If not cleared on the 1st try a fitting strategy should be able to be developed by the average player on no more than 2 tries. It should not require any amount or specific-type of carryovers to complete the mission smoothly, although having them would be preferable. As such my suggestions are as follows:<br> 1- The easiest way is to keep the current layout while reducing the number of enemy spawns and change some of the enemy types. Avoid deploying lvl 2 hard hitters from the start and spawn level 1s instead, with a larger lvl 2 boss blocking the end of the road. Gryphons should be limited in number instead of infinitely spawning. Wolves would perhaps be a better fitting main opponent which could be explained in the scenario's plot (the group unknowingly crosses the territory of an aggressive wolf pack).<br> 2 - Given this is only the third mission following two large engagements, perhaps an overhaul shouldn't be taken out of the picture. Having this become a quest-type mission with multiple branching paths, could prove to be a good chance to level up your heroes and a small select group of veteran troops. There could be special triggers, checkpoints for spawning reinforcements and even money/xp bonuses hidden along the way. A nice change of pace to an otherwise battle-heavy campaign.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?</strong><br> <br> Yes. The large amount of enemy spawns and disposition as described above. I wasn't able to clear the mission after trying multiple tactics and unit combinations. Rewinding turns or having a plenty of high level carryovers might be the only way to clear it unless I am missing something. Conversely, I was able to clear the prior two missions on the first try and without rewinding, losing only a single unit in lvl 2 and none in lvl1.</div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p671018" class="post has-profile bg1"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile671018"> <dt class="no-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=234844&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">mcbanhas</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=234844&sr=posts&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914">3</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> September 1st, 2021, 10:00 pm</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content671018"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=671018&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p671018">Re: Scenario Review: THoT 6 - High Pass</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=671018&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=671018&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p671018" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=234844&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">mcbanhas</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2022-01-20T14:32:57+00:00">January 20th, 2022, 2:32 pm</time> </p> <div class="content">An update on my previous post: after one more try I finally managed to beat this mission on one sitting by spacing unit recruitments and slowly pushing forward between enemy waves. It was still a very tight victory, with all enemies cleared only by turn 17, meaning my hero, who was at that point in the middle of the map, was only able to reach the signpost <em class="text-italics">precisely</em> on turn 20. This mission feels like a sharp jump on difficulty and the required macro strategy does not become clear as quickly as in prior missions. I think that having one less wave of ogres/trolls, properly spaced, would make it a lot more fitting for normal difficulty.</div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p672546" class="post has-profile bg2"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile672546"> <dt class="no-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=176246&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">Nobody_III</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=176246&sr=posts&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914">6</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> January 30th, 2019, 8:17 pm</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content672546"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=672546&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p672546">Re: Scenario Review: THoT 6 - High Pass</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=672546&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=672546&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p672546" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=176246&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">Nobody_III</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2022-03-31T05:07:06+00:00">March 31st, 2022, 5:07 am</time> </p> <div class="content">What happened to the mage Ratheln? 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Ask the Project Council's SP Content In-Charge.</div> <div id="sig672883" class="signature"><span style="font-size:85%;line-height:116%">Creator of "<a href="http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=30087" class="postlink">War of Legends</a>"<br> Creator of the <a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=54212" class="postlink">Isle of Mists</a> survival scenario.<br> Maintainer of <a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23656" class="postlink">Forward They Cried</a><br> <a href="http://wiki.wesnoth.org/User:Knyghtmare" class="postlink">User:Knyghtmare</a> | <a href="https://medium.com/@khalidtahsinjahin" class="postlink">My Medium</a></span></div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p678385" class="post has-profile bg2"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile678385"> <dt class="no-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=172119&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">mal_shubertal</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=172119&sr=posts&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914">93</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> December 1st, 2018, 6:58 pm</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content678385"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=678385&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p678385">Re: Scenario Review: THoT 6 - High Pass</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=678385&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=678385&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p678385" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=172119&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">mal_shubertal</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2022-12-26T06:18:25+00:00">December 26th, 2022, 6:18 am</time> </p> <div class="content">(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?<br> 1.16.6 Lord Challenging<br> (2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)<br> 6<br> (3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?<br> very. I like that the signpost is flashed at the beginning to you have an idea of where you're headed. <br> (4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?<br> clear. It's fine, kind of a change of pace scenario. I like the slow character development of the tension between Angarthing and Movrur over each scenario. <br> (5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?<br> A LOT of level 2 enemies, and especially the very mobile griffins, so I had to lose SEVERAL level 2 units. I think I still came out ok, but it was pretty punishing. I'm kind of banking on this only being an intermediate level campaign so that I can recover from these losses.<br> (6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)<br> 7. A nice change of pace, and the unusual enemy unit mix made you think very hard about your movement every turn. The terrain being a mix of frozen forests and non-frozen mountains makes the player think hard about the unique ways that dwarves interact with the terrain differently than other factions. <br> (7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?<br> I still think that Movrur and Angarthing should speak in at least somewhat different dialects/speech patterns, like the two orc leaders spoke differently in the last scenario. It would highlight the cultural differences between the Alliance and non-Alliance dwarves. <br> (8) Was there any event that caused you to lose the game and forced you to reload or restart the scenario?<br> No, but I did lose a significant number of level 2 units, so if I play the next scenario and find out that I'm too weak, I might have to come back and replay this one more carefully.<br> EDIT: I got VERY stuck on Forbidden Forest, so I did indeed go back and replay several scenarios, including this one, to get Angarthing to level 3 earlier and have a stronger group of level 3 units for that scenario. I'll add the better playthrough as well. My main difference was that I recruited almost 100% dwarvish fighters and almost no ranged units. The combination of slow, smart use of terrain, and a lot of expandable fodder units with good resistances meant that was able to come out of the scenario with several lvl 3 dwarves and lvl 3 Angarthing. I also stuck around for an extra turn or 2 at the end to farm a little extra xp once I had claimed most villages, and I was sure to take out the griffin leader earlier.</div> <dl class="attachbox"> <dt> Attachments </dt> <dd> <dl class="file"> <dt><img src="./images/upload_icons/zip.gif" alt="" /> <a class="postlink" href="./download/file.php?id=94271&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914">THoT-High Pass replay 20221226-150424.gz</a></dt> <dd>(22.55 KiB) Downloaded 159 times</dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <dl class="file"> <dt><img src="./images/upload_icons/zip.gif" alt="" /> <a class="postlink" href="./download/file.php?id=94269&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914">THoT-High Pass replay 20221226-005947.gz</a></dt> <dd>(24.23 KiB) Downloaded 142 times</dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p685856" class="post has-profile bg1"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile685856"> <dt class="no-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=268197&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">JL42</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=268197&sr=posts&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914">66</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> December 9th, 2023, 11:19 am</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content685856"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=685856&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p685856">Re: Scenario Review: THoT 6 - High Pass</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=685856&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=685856&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p685856" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=268197&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">JL42</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2024-01-13T16:11:21+00:00">January 13th, 2024, 4:11 pm</time> </p> <div class="content"><blockquote class="uncited"><div> What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on? </div></blockquote> v. 1.16.10<br> Lord / Challenging<br> <blockquote class="uncited"><div> How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10) </div></blockquote> 2<br> <blockquote class="uncited"><div> How clear did you find the scenario objectives? </div></blockquote> Very clear.<br> <blockquote class="uncited"><div> How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario? </div></blockquote> Not much dialogue; it was fine.<br> <blockquote class="uncited"><div> What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario? </div></blockquote> This one is drastically easier than the previous two scenarios; not much in the way of challenges. You have unpredictably appearing enemies but they are relatively weak and few in numbers, and now you can finally get the dwarves into the mountains where they become nearly invincible. There's also plenty of villages here, so when units get moderately injured they can hang out and heal so that they don't get too low on HP.<br> <br> The only problem I can see coming up is if the player arrives here without sufficiently leveled units, since it is only the third scenario. However, if you don't have a good number of level 2 units by now (which makes this map easy) then there's no way you're going to get through the upcoming scenarios anyway. The problem here is that several XP-building scenarios have been removed from the campaign, so it's easy for people to get behind. I've seen several commenters say that the previous two scenarios were easy and this one is hard – which is the opposite of my impression – and the only thing I can figure out is that they must not have been concerned with preserving and leveling some troops during those earlier scenarios.<br> <br> I think the "High Pass" has been toned down from the previous version, where the timer was a lot shorter and you had to rush forward quickly along the path while trying to just fend off attacks from the flanks and rear. For me, the previous version was more of a challenge, but also more fun.<br> <blockquote class="uncited"><div> How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10) </div></blockquote> 5<br> <blockquote class="uncited"><div> What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun? </div></blockquote> Nothing major that I can think of. Maybe reduce the timer again, or add some more enemies to make it more difficult. Really need to have another scenario or two before this one though, to make sure that the player has built up enough of a level-2 army to handle this map.<br> <br> ---------------<br> About the Overall Campaign:<br> <br> This campaign has deteriorated a bit since the last time I played. Which sucks, because it used to be one of the absolute best. There are still some very strong points – particularly in the last few scenarios (I'm agnostic about the changes to the final map; both versions of that one are good) – and the core strength of the writing continues to carry it. I love how the story develops the heathen culture of the dwarves and their sense of honor etc. However, it desperately needs some work, or restoration, around the middle of the campaign to resolve the confusing events, logical lapses, and frustrating gameplay that have been introduced. I really dislike the addition of the character Movrur, who is not as strong in the writing and kind of ruins the mystery and sense of exploration and adventure that drove the original campaign. In addition to having less mystery and tension, the story is now very confusing and illogical in places, and the maps around scenarios 3–5 are much less enjoyable than previous versions. This used to be one of my favorite campaigns in Wesnoth, five out of five, full marks, but I can't really say that anymore. I'll give it 3 out of 5 stars for the current version, and that is generous based on the lingering writing strength and still having a few solid maps. Would really, really love to see this campaign developed or restored a bit to bring it back to where it could be.</div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p691300" class="post has-profile bg2"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile691300"> <dt class="no-profile-rank has-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=274878&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="avatar"><img class="avatar" src="./download/file.php?avatar=274878_1719078602.png" width="72" height="72" alt="User avatar" /></a> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=274878&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">General_Steelclad</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=274878&sr=posts&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914">5</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> June 22nd, 2024, 5:39 pm</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content691300"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=691300&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p691300">Re: Scenario Review: THoT 6 - High Pass</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=691300&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=691300&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914#p691300" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=274878&sid=1cb9bae26672a07615008415d29b0914" class="username">General_Steelclad</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2024-06-24T15:56:37+00:00">June 24th, 2024, 3:56 pm</time> </p> <div class="content">My thoughts and advice about strategy for this scenario, just in case some newbie bumps into this forum, as I did. Brief specs: 1.16.9 Steelclad (Normal), 314 gold (first attempt of pushing through), 378 gold (second time, more successful finale)<br> <br> First of all, don't rush. Before this campaign I was always rushing through maps as hell, especially for scenarios where it's required to reach a certain signpost. Usually it worked kind of okayish, but making it through the High Pass this way I have got only ruthless casualties (all units lost but the main three characters!) which prevented me from successing in the Forbidden Forest. Remember, this dreadful massacre is just a few scenarios later, and your entire army must be very, very well-prepared beforehand on each preceding battle in order to get through. After watching some replays of mature wesnothians from this forum I realised that speedrunning was a wrong idea! The thing is that you're given a number of moves big enough to get your mission's objectives done as well as the invaluable experience gained for promoting and upgrading your units. This is crucial, for in Wesnoth a fine army means more than a swift pace.<br> <br> Secondly, you have to make sure that your main characters are all at lvl 2 or close to it, so you would upgrade them to lvl 3-ish before reaching the doomed forest. I had had Angarthing at a pretty low level by that time, and only a substantial change in my tactics of using him allowed me to get the witness become a loremaster by some first turns of the Forbidden Forest later on. Also, <a class="postlink" href="//wiki.wesnoth.org/Thehammerofthursagan#High_Pass">Wiki says about this scenario</a>: <blockquote class="uncited"><div>In the early turns especially, the best strategy is to have him [the Gryphon Master] start behind your lines, 'peek' out a few hexes to see as much as he can, then run back behind your lines to stay safe.</div></blockquote> This is a very safe choice indeed, but in particular very unfortunate for his gaining XP and levelling up. Once again, note that the actual purpose of upgrading your Gryphon Master is to supply him with a number of hitpoints large enough to turn this unit into a relatively strong meatshield able to withstand two or three fierce attacks of elvish warriors in the Forest of Damnation. <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes"><br> <br> Third, to perform the aforementioned upgrade you should <strong class="text-strong"><span style="text-decoration:underline">exterminate all of your enemies</span></strong>. This is not a 'fence-off-and-run' sort of battles. You have to keep calm and carry on through the mountains, where you are almost invincible, as it was already noted here. There you go, choosing the attacking squads wisely, from time to time creeping out in the road to finish off the survivors cowardly seeking refuge in their huts on the other side. <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil"><br> Needless to say, gathering more villages under your flags will also be incredibly helpful for decent carryover gold supplies. I managed to get the southern ones by the gryphon whilst dwarvish forces were covering him up and taking the enemy on themselves in the upper side of the mountains. <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_whistle.gif" width="28" height="15" alt=":whistle:" title="Whistle"><br> <br> Roughly speaking, this is it. Make use of long-ranged attackers such as thunderguards and pathfinders against trolls and ogres, support them with Angarthing who will slow those beasts down, making their violent blows nothing more than gentle zephyrs. 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