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So if anything it has to be a subclass of human.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwAw\"\u003E2. Personhood might be, but also might not be exclusive to human beings. This is also reflected in the debate on the talk page, see \u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Talk:Q215627#c-Pasleim-2015-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-03-25T16:08:00.000Z\" title=\"Talk:Q215627\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" id=\"mwBA\"\u003Ehere\u003C/a\u003E. Overall, the item is about the philosophical concept of personhood. For example the Wikidata POV implies that animal actors are actors hence artists hence persons, see e.g. \u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Q809222\" title=\"Q809222\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" about=\"#mwt1\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Q\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:Q\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Q809222\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\" id=\"mwBQ\"\u003EBart the Bear \u003Csmall\u003E(Q809222)\u003C/small\u003E\u003C/a\u003E. This does not necessarily contradict the definition you quoted and it's just how we use the item. (Also just in case you were unaware, human is already a subclass of person)\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwBg\"\u003EEdit: the animal actor example contradicts the subclass statement for \"legal person\", so I might remove this after some more coordination.\u003C/p\u003E\u003C/section\u003E" ,"format":"fixed-html"},"watchable":false,"replyToId":"ybc08x6ybgms5r1p","postId":"ybc462ay8v3u5yjd","isMaxThreadingDepth":false,"creator":{"name":"Uniwah","wiki":"wikidatawiki","gender":"unknown","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/Uniwah","title":"Contributions/Uniwah","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:Uniwah","title":"Uniwah","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:Uniwah","title":"User talk:Uniwah","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":6826355},"isNewPage":false,"replies":[]},"ybc5eo71cy340zs8":{"_BC_bools":["isOriginalContent","isModerated","isLocked","isModeratedNotLocked","isWatched","watchable","isMaxThreadingDepth","isNewPage"],"workflowId":"ybc08x6ybgms5r1p","articleTitle":"Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p","revisionId":"ybc5eo71cy340zs8","timestamp":"20240828232759","changeType":"reply","dateFormats":[],"properties":[],"isOriginalContent":true,"isModerated":false,"links":{"topic-history":{"url": "//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p\u0026action=history","title":"History","text":"History"},"topic":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/wiki/Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p","title":"topic","text":"topic"},"post":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p\u0026topic_showPostId=ybc5eo71cy340zs8#flow-post-ybc5eo71cy340zs8","title":"post","text":"post"},"post-revision":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p\u0026topic_postId=ybc5eo71cy340zs8\u0026topic_revId=ybc5eo71cy340zs8\u0026action=single-view","title":"post revision","text":"post revision"},"watch-topic":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p\u0026action=watch","title":"Watch","text":"Watch"},"unwatch-topic":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p\u0026action=unwatch","title":"Unwatch","text":"Unwatch"}},"actions":{"reply":{"url": "//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p\u0026action=reply\u0026topic_postId=ybc5eo71cy340zs8#flow-post-ybc5eo71cy340zs8","title":"Reply","text":"Reply"},"hide":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p\u0026action=moderate-post\u0026topic_postId=ybc5eo71cy340zs8\u0026topic_moderationState=hide","title":"Hide","text":"Hide"},"summarize":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p\u0026action=edit-topic-summary","title":"Summarize","text":"Summarize"}},"size":{"old":"0","new":"939"},"author":{"name":"Prototyperspective","wiki":"wikidatawiki","gender":"unknown","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/Prototyperspective","title":"Contributions/Prototyperspective","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:Prototyperspective","title":"Prototyperspective","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective","title":"User talk:Prototyperspective", "exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":3859607},"lastEditUser":{"name":null,"wiki":null,"gender":"unknown","links":[],"id":null},"lastEditId":null,"previousRevisionId":null,"isLocked":false,"isModeratedNotLocked":false,"content":{"content": "\u003Csection data-mw-section-id=\"0\" id=\"mwAQ\"\u003E\u003Cp id=\"mwAg\"\u003E1.I wasn't sure if it being an instance of human would imply that. Subclass may make more sense.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwAw\"\u003E2.I think that needs a separate term other than person – at least in current understanding and use the term wouldn't fit to let's say sentient intelligent living extraterrestrial-origin beings / aliens. One would need a separate term for that. Animals also are not persons, they may be legal persons for the lack of better legal terms/… but not persons in principle insofar the term has been established and is widely used.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwBA\"\u003E3. Human is not a subclass of person but the other way around. Infants and probably few days pre-birth babies are humans but not necessarily persons. Please fix that.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwBQ\"\u003E4. 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I have added a description this time to make this clear and this time I placed it in P6802 instead of P18, which may be slightly more appropriate. ~~~~</span></p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ycj2kjw3mwlz1iw3&action=reply&topic_postId=ycj2kjw3n0k19mub#flow-post-ycj2kjw3n0k19mub" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ycj2kjw3mwlz1iw3&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1726552412" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">05:53, 17 September 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ycj2kjw3mwlz1iw3&topic_showPostId=ycj2kjw3n0k19mub#flow-post-ycj2kjw3n0k19mub"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ycj2kjw3mwlz1iw3&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=ycj2kjw3n0k19mub&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-ycjcliz882t5quvh" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="ycjcliz882t5quvh" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Prototyperspective</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" class="" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Prototyperspective" title="Contributions/Prototyperspective">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">I disagree that it fits into "related image" but I think it's not slightly more appropriate but much more appropriate as in not definitely inappropriate. I won't remove it but encourage other users like <span about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Elekhh"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwAw">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Elekhh" title="User:Elekhh" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" id="mwBA">Elekhh</a> <span about="#mwt2" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Moebeus"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwBQ">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Moebeus" title="User:Moebeus" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt2" id="mwBg">Moebeus</a> or <span about="#mwt3" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Eiragorn"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwBw">@</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Eiragorn%3Faction%3Dedit%26redlink%3D1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Eiragorn" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt3" typeof="mw:LocalizedAttrs" data-mw-i18n="{"title":{"lang":"x-page","key":"red-link-title","params":["User:Eiragorn"]}}" id="mwCA">Eiragorn</a> to do so because I think this image should only be set on the item for the fictitious movie or possibly the real-life event and not anywhere here. It's misleading, not illustrative of this film, and this film isn't even a proper historical account of the events but known to be very inaccurate being more fiction than fact.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ycj2kjw3mwlz1iw3&action=reply&topic_postId=ycj2kjw3mwlz1iw3#flow-post-ycj2kjw3mwlz1iw3" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ycj2kjw3mwlz1iw3&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1726563215" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">08:53, 17 September 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ycj2kjw3mwlz1iw3&topic_showPostId=ycjcliz882t5quvh#flow-post-ycjcliz882t5quvh"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ycj2kjw3mwlz1iw3&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=ycjcliz882t5quvh&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <script name="handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" type="text/x-handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" data-type="replace" data-target="~ a" > <form class="flow-post flow-reply-form" method="POST" action="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ycj2kjw3mwlz1iw3&action=reply&topic_postId=ycj2kjw3mwlz1iw3#flow-post-ycj2kjw3mwlz1iw3-form-content" id="flow-reply-ycj2kjw3mwlz1iw3" > <input type="hidden" name="wpEditToken" value="+\" /> <input type="hidden" name="topic_replyTo" value="ycj2kjw3mwlz1iw3" /> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <div class="flow-anon-warning"> <div class="flow-anon-warning-mobile"> <div class="flow-form-collapsible flow-ui-tooltip mw-ui-progressive flow-ui-tooltip-down flow-ui-tooltip-block plainlinks">You are not logged in. 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data-flow-load-handler="topicTitle" > Person change</h2> <div class="flow-topic-meta"> 5 comments • <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1724919707" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">08:21, 29 August 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </div> <span class="flow-reply-count"><span class="flow-reply-count-number">5</span></span> </div> <div class="flow-topic-summary-container " > <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show topic action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet 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href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=moderate-topic&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_topic.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide topic</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-ybc08x6ybkkuduzx" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="ybc08x6ybkkuduzx" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Uniwah" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Uniwah</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uniwah" class="" title="User talk:Uniwah">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Uniwah" title="Contributions/Uniwah">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Hey,</p> <p id="mwAw">I just reverted your recent edits to <a href="/wiki/Q215627" title="Q215627" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Q","href":"./Template:Q"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"215627"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwBA">person <small>(Q215627)</small></a>. "Person" is definitely not *an instance* of human, and by the definition we employ, not a subclass either. Feel free to explain your reasoning behind the two edits, but don't feel obligated, it's not a big deal either way.</p> <p id="mwBQ"> <br id="mwBg"/> Thanks!</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=reply&topic_postId=ybc08x6ybkkuduzx#flow-post-ybc08x6ybkkuduzx" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=ybc09mgccl05n6zd" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1724882141" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">21:55, 28 August 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&topic_showPostId=ybc08x6ybkkuduzx#flow-post-ybc08x6ybkkuduzx"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=ybc08x6ybkkuduzx&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-ybc359w7me7oznc8" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="ybc359w7me7oznc8" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Prototyperspective</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" class="" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Prototyperspective" title="Contributions/Prototyperspective">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">One person is one instance of a human. It may also be a subclass if people do not consider e.g. infants to already be persons as per "A person is a being who has certain capacities or attributes such as reason, morality, consciousness or self-consciousness, and being a part of a culturally established form of social relations such as kinship, ownership of property, or legal responsibility."</p> <p id="mwAw">The main thing it is is missing from this page:</p> <ul id="mwBA"><li id="mwBQ">It's not mainly a "person or organization" which is a "class of agents" e.g. in the economy</li></ul> <ul id="mwBg"><li id="mwBw">It's not mainly a "individual person or organism" because that also refers to various nonhuman animals</li> <li id="mwCA">It's not mainly about a "legal person" because this is about a thing in principle not legal things</li></ul> <p id="mwCQ">So please readd this. The main thing this is is missing, what else would it be if not instance or subclass of "human"?</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=reply&topic_postId=ybc359w7me7oznc8#flow-post-ybc359w7me7oznc8" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1724885243" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">22:47, 28 August 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&topic_showPostId=ybc359w7me7oznc8#flow-post-ybc359w7me7oznc8"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=ybc359w7me7oznc8&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-ybc462ay8v3u5yjd" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="ybc462ay8v3u5yjd" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Uniwah" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Uniwah</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uniwah" class="" title="User talk:Uniwah">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Uniwah" title="Contributions/Uniwah">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">1. if "person" was an instance of human, this would put it on the same ontological level as any single concrete human. So if anything it has to be a subclass of human.</p> <p id="mwAw">2. Personhood might be, but also might not be exclusive to human beings. This is also reflected in the debate on the talk page, see <a href="/wiki/Talk:Q215627#c-Pasleim-2015-03-27T18:32:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-03-25T16:08:00.000Z" title="Talk:Q215627" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwBA">here</a>. Overall, the item is about the philosophical concept of personhood. For example the Wikidata POV implies that animal actors are actors hence artists hence persons, see e.g. <a href="/wiki/Q809222" title="Q809222" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Q","href":"./Template:Q"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Q809222"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwBQ">Bart the Bear <small>(Q809222)</small></a>. This does not necessarily contradict the definition you quoted and it's just how we use the item. (Also just in case you were unaware, human is already a subclass of person)</p> <p id="mwBg">Edit: the animal actor example contradicts the subclass statement for "legal person", so I might remove this after some more coordination.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=reply&topic_postId=ybc462ay8v3u5yjd#flow-post-ybc462ay8v3u5yjd" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=ybc4vmj7s9kvho2m" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1724887109" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">23:18, 28 August 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&topic_showPostId=ybc462ay8v3u5yjd#flow-post-ybc462ay8v3u5yjd"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=ybc462ay8v3u5yjd&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-ybc5eo71cy340zs8" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="ybc5eo71cy340zs8" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Prototyperspective</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" class="" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Prototyperspective" title="Contributions/Prototyperspective">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">1.I wasn't sure if it being an instance of human would imply that. Subclass may make more sense.</p> <p id="mwAw">2.I think that needs a separate term other than person – at least in current understanding and use the term wouldn't fit to let's say sentient intelligent living extraterrestrial-origin beings / aliens. One would need a separate term for that. Animals also are not persons, they may be legal persons for the lack of better legal terms/… but not persons in principle insofar the term has been established and is widely used.</p> <p id="mwBA">3. Human is not a subclass of person but the other way around. Infants and probably few days pre-birth babies are humans but not necessarily persons. Please fix that.</p> <p id="mwBQ">4. In conclusion, please allow me to remove or remove subclass of person on the human item and add subclass of: <i id="mwBg">human</i> or, probably better, <i id="mwBw">Homo.</i> And if not specify exactly why or suggest me some place to take this matter for broader debate.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=reply&topic_postId=ybc5eo71cy340zs8#flow-post-ybc5eo71cy340zs8" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1724887679" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">23:27, 28 August 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&topic_showPostId=ybc5eo71cy340zs8#flow-post-ybc5eo71cy340zs8"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=ybc5eo71cy340zs8&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-ybcz034msppj8u13" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="ybcz034msppj8u13" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Uniwah" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Uniwah</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uniwah" class="" title="User talk:Uniwah">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Uniwah" title="Contributions/Uniwah">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">the right place is probably either the <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat" title="Wikidata:Project chat" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwAw">Project chat</a> or, in case you don't mind writing basically an entire proposal how the structure should look like instead, the <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment" title="Wikidata:Requests for comment" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwBA">Requests for comment</a>. At the moment, please don't change it without any coordination because it'd mess up a lot of existing ontology. I think there's some merit to what you're saying, but it might have to be handled in more complex ways than one or two subclass statements.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=reply&topic_postId=ybc08x6ybgms5r1p#flow-post-ybc08x6ybgms5r1p" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=ybcz4v586wvh9e9p" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1724919707" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">08:21, 29 August 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&topic_showPostId=ybcz034msppj8u13#flow-post-ybcz034msppj8u13"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=ybcz034msppj8u13&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <script name="handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" type="text/x-handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" data-type="replace" data-target="~ a" > <form class="flow-post flow-reply-form" method="POST" action="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybc08x6ybgms5r1p&action=reply&topic_postId=ybc08x6ybgms5r1p#flow-post-ybc08x6ybgms5r1p-form-content" id="flow-reply-ybc08x6ybgms5r1p" > <input type="hidden" name="wpEditToken" value="+\" /> <input type="hidden" name="topic_replyTo" value="ybc08x6ybgms5r1p" /> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <div class="flow-anon-warning"> <div class="flow-anon-warning-mobile"> <div class="flow-form-collapsible flow-ui-tooltip mw-ui-progressive flow-ui-tooltip-down flow-ui-tooltip-block plainlinks">You are not logged in. 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We usually add new genres if they have external identifiers or at least external url's describing the subject and its notability, which is required by Wikidata policy: <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:N" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwAw">WD:N</a>. If you want to keep <a href="/wiki/Q124791567" title="Q124791567" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"q","href":"./Template:Q"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Q124791567"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwBA">Drum and bass electronic rock <small>(Q124791567)</small></a>, it is worth adding some articles detailing the concept in <a href="/wiki/Property:P973" title="Property:P973" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt2" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"p","href":"./Template:P"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"P973"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwBQ">described at URL<span typeof="mw:Entity"> </span><small dir="ltr">(P973)</small></a> or other external IDs confirming its notability, otherwise it have to be nominated for deletion. Thanks.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y0qwd1fpoh7iznok&action=reply&topic_postId=y0qwd1fpol5l7rms#flow-post-y0qwd1fpol5l7rms" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y0qwd1fpoh7iznok&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=y0qwfg1nvgvtgzhd" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1710100618" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">19:56, 10 March 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">8 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y0qwd1fpoh7iznok&topic_showPostId=y0qwd1fpol5l7rms#flow-post-y0qwd1fpol5l7rms"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y0qwd1fpoh7iznok&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=y0qwd1fpol5l7rms&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-y0r87u9ix6y95q2e" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="y0r87u9ix6y95q2e" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Prototyperspective</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" class="" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Prototyperspective" title="Contributions/Prototyperspective">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Alright, makes sense. There are sources about it which I'll add, I just don't think they use this name but maybe I can find a source for that as well.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y0qwd1fpoh7iznok&action=reply&topic_postId=y0r87u9ix6y95q2e#flow-post-y0r87u9ix6y95q2e" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y0qwd1fpoh7iznok&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1710113319" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">23:28, 10 March 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">8 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span 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Or is there another way fusions/hybrids are being dealt with here?</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y0qwd1fpoh7iznok&action=reply&topic_postId=y0r8m3wr916sx8u3#flow-post-y0r8m3wr916sx8u3" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y0qwd1fpoh7iznok&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1710113746" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">23:35, 10 March 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">8 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y0qwd1fpoh7iznok&topic_showPostId=y0r8m3wr916sx8u3#flow-post-y0r8m3wr916sx8u3"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y0qwd1fpoh7iznok&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=y0r8m3wr916sx8u3&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-y0r8ud11qp3ow6iy" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="y0r8ud11qp3ow6iy" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Solidest" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Solidest</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Solidest" class="" title="User talk:Solidest">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Solidest" title="Contributions/Solidest">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Nope, that won't work as it would violate <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Verifiability" title="Wikidata:Verifiability" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwAw">Wikidata:Verifiability</a>. We only create items for concepts that are established in the sources, and until then we have to use a combination of two separate items for every artist/release.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y0qwd1fpoh7iznok&action=reply&topic_postId=y0r8ud11qp3ow6iy#flow-post-y0r8ud11qp3ow6iy" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y0qwd1fpoh7iznok&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1710113993" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">23:39, 10 March 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">8 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a 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there is some way that combinations can be explored / used via Wikidata – I guess one way would be SPARQL queries that list all musicians with both the genre drum and bass and rock (or any of either subgenres) set...is there any other?</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y0qwd1fpoh7iznok&action=reply&topic_postId=y0r94aam6542clr4#flow-post-y0r94aam6542clr4" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y0qwd1fpoh7iznok&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1710114290" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">23:44, 10 March 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">8 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div 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