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card-text">“…leadership can only occur if there is followership – without followers and following behaviours there would be no leadership.”<br>In this podcast, Associate Editor of BMJ Leader Tim Swanwick talks to Hester Mannion, a psychiatry trainee at South London and the Maudsley NHS Foundation Trust , and Iain Tennant, a GP trainee in Kidbrooke, South London. They comment on the paper “Followership: much more than simply following the leader” (https://bmjleader.bmj.com/content/early/2020/02/04/leader-2019-000162). The Learning Zone series explores key concepts in a short, simple and practical way. <br>Please join the discussion about this paper at the Twitter chat @BMJLeader on Thursday 13th February, 7-8 pm (UK time), #BMJLeaderchat</p></div><div class="read-more"><a href="/e/is-followership-a-thing/" class="text-decoration-none text-truncate"> Read more <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="16" height="16" fill="currentColor" class="bi bi-arrow-right" viewbox="0 0 16 16"><path fill-rule="evenodd" d="M1 8a.5.5 0 0 1 .5-.5h11.793l-3.147-3.146a.5.5 0 0 1 .708-.708l4 4a.5.5 0 0 1 0 .708l-4 4a.5.5 0 0 1-.708-.708L13.293 8.5H1.5A.5.5 0 0 1 1 8z"></path></svg></a></div><div class="cc-post-toolbar"><ul class="list-unstyled d-flex mb-0 row gx-5 p-0"><li class="col-auto"><button class="border-0 p-0 bg-transparent row gx-1 align-items-center" title="Likes" data-bs-toggle="modal" data-bs-target="#likeModal"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="16" height="16" fill="currentColor" class="bi bi-heart col-auto icon-like" viewbox="0 0 16 16"><path d="m8 2.748-.717-.737C5.6.281 2.514.878 1.4 3.053c-.523 1.023-.641 2.5.314 4.385.92 1.815 2.834 3.989 6.286 6.357 3.452-2.368 5.365-4.542 6.286-6.357.955-1.886.838-3.362.314-4.385C13.486.878 10.4.28 8.717 2.01L8 2.748zM8 15C-7.333 4.868 3.279-3.04 7.824 1.143c.06.055.119.112.176.171a3.12 3.12 0 0 1 .176-.17C12.72-3.042 23.333 4.867 8 15z"></path></svg><span class="text-gray col-auto item-name">Likes</span></button></li><li class="col-auto"><a class="border-0 p-0 bg-transparent row gx-1 align-items-center" href="https://www.podbean.com/site/EpisodeDownload/PB14227EFKY37R" target="_blank" title="Download"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="16" height="16" fill="currentColor" class="bi bi-arrow-down-square col-auto" viewbox="0 0 16 16"><path fill-rule="evenodd" d="M15 2a1 1 0 0 0-1-1H2a1 1 0 0 0-1 1v12a1 1 0 0 0 1 1h12a1 1 0 0 0 1-1V2zM0 2a2 2 0 0 1 2-2h12a2 2 0 0 1 2 2v12a2 2 0 0 1-2 2H2a2 2 0 0 1-2-2V2zm8.5 2.5a.5.5 0 0 0-1 0v5.793L5.354 8.146a.5.5 0 1 0-.708.708l3 3a.5.5 0 0 0 .708 0l3-3a.5.5 0 0 0-.708-.708L8.5 10.293V4.5z"></path></svg><span class="text-gray col-auto item-name">Download</span></a></li><li class="col-auto"><button class="border-0 p-0 bg-transparent row gx-1 align-items-center" title="Share" data-bs-toggle="modal" data-bs-target="#shareModal"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="16" height="16" fill="currentColor" class="bi bi-share col-auto" viewbox="0 0 16 16"><path d="M13.5 1a1.5 1.5 0 1 0 0 3 1.5 1.5 0 0 0 0-3zM11 2.5a2.5 2.5 0 1 1 .603 1.628l-6.718 3.12a2.499 2.499 0 0 1 0 1.504l6.718 3.12a2.5 2.5 0 1 1-.488.876l-6.718-3.12a2.5 2.5 0 1 1 0-3.256l6.718-3.12A2.5 2.5 0 0 1 11 2.5zm-8.5 4a1.5 1.5 0 1 0 0 3 1.5 1.5 0 0 0 0-3zm11 5.5a1.5 1.5 0 1 0 0 3 1.5 1.5 0 0 0 0-3z"></path></svg><span class="text-gray item-name col-auto">Share</span></button></li></ul></div></div></div><div class="col6 mt-0 card bg-transparent border-0 d-md-flex list"><div class="episode-logo position-relative" href="javascript:void(0)"><p class="e-l-date">Wednesday Apr 15, 2020</p><div class="hover-bg"></div><div class="play-bg position-absolute d-flex align-items-center justify-content-center"><button type="button" class="btn btn-link play-button" title="Play NHS...ystem? 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And should you become a system leader?</a></h2><p class="r-t-date text-gray">Wednesday Apr 15, 2020</p></div></div><p class="e-date text-gray">Wednesday Apr 15, 2020</p><div class="episode-description"><p class="e-description text-two-line card-text">In this episode, we’re talking to Lord Victor Adebowale about “System Leadership in health and care” - how is it distinct from organisational leadership?<br>The cross-bench member of the House of Lords and former chief exec of Turning Point comments on the paper 'Systems leadership – a fad, or food for the survival of our NHS?' (Louise Hardy, Associate Professor, Faculty of Medicine and Dentistry, University of Plymouth) - https://bmjleader.bmj.com/content/early/2020/07/26/leader-2019-000167.<br>He tells the Editor of BMJ Leader, James Mountford, how we need to create systems leaders and how systems leadership could contribute to important widespread changes in healthcare. <br>Please subscribe to the BMJ Leader podcast to get episodes automatically downloaded to your mobile device and computer. 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