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Such people <a href="/wiki/Pigeon_chess" title="Pigeon chess">generally have little interest in an answer</a>, let alone <a href="/wiki/Origins_debate" title="Origins debate">serious discussion of the issue</a>. Going above such people's heads, major creationist institutions — including <a href="/wiki/Answers_in_Genesis" title="Answers in Genesis">Answers in Genesis</a><sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-6">[5]</a></sup> and <a href="/wiki/Creation_Ministries_International" title="Creation Ministries International">Creation Ministries International</a><sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-7">[6]</a></sup> — actually <a href="/wiki/Stopped_clock" title="Stopped clock">warn creationists <i>against</i> asking this question</a>, explaining that the very question itself is based on a blatant misunderstanding of evolution. </p><p>However, the purpose of this article is not to argue that honest questions are <i>stupid</i> — the question could be asked in all innocence by anyone mis- or uninformed about evolutionary theory. Causes of this gap in public understanding of evolution range from poor teaching of the subject to, frequently, <a href="/wiki/FUD" class="mw-redirect" title="FUD">active perpetuation of misrepresentations of it</a> by creationists.<sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-8">[note 2]</a></sup> So, there's no loss in assuming good faith and examining "why there are still monkeys", even though — as the saying <i>incorrectly</i> stipulates — "humans are descended <i>from</i> monkeys". </p> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><span class="toctogglespan"><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></span></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#What_is_behind_the_question.3F"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">What is behind the question?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#Serious_answers"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">Serious answers</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-3"><a href="#Disappearance_of_ancestors"><span class="tocnumber">2.1</span> <span class="toctext">Disappearance of ancestors</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-4"><a href="#Branching_family_tree_of_cousins"><span class="tocnumber">2.2</span> <span class="toctext">Branching family tree of cousins</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-5"><a href="#Complexity_and_intelligence"><span class="tocnumber">2.3</span> <span class="toctext">Complexity and intelligence</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#Socratic_answers"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">Socratic answers</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Informal_answers"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Informal answers</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Joking_answers"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">Joking answers</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Troublesome_answers"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">Troublesome answers</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Why_aren.27t_monkeys_evolving_today.3F"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">Why aren't monkeys evolving today?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#Further_reading"><span class="tocnumber">8</span> <span class="toctext">Further reading</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#See_also"><span class="tocnumber">9</span> <span class="toctext">See also</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#External_links"><span class="tocnumber">10</span> <span class="toctext">External links</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#Notes"><span class="tocnumber">11</span> <span class="toctext">Notes</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#References"><span class="tocnumber">12</span> <span class="toctext">References</span></a></li> </ul> </div> <h2><span id="What_is_behind_the_question?"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="What_is_behind_the_question.3F">What is behind the question?</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=How_come_there_are_still_monkeys%3F&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: What is behind the question?">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <div class="thumb tright"><div class="thumbinner" style="width:302px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Darwin-chart.PNG" class="image"><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Darwin-chart.PNG/300px-Darwin-chart.PNG" decoding="async" width="300" height="118" class="thumbimage" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Darwin-chart.PNG/450px-Darwin-chart.PNG 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Darwin-chart.PNG/600px-Darwin-chart.PNG 2x" data-file-width="1077" data-file-height="424" /></a> <div class="thumbcaption"><div class="magnify"><a href="/wiki/File:Darwin-chart.PNG" class="internal" title="Enlarge"></a></div>The classic "descent of man" image is misleading, as it suggests a <a href="/wiki/Orthogenesis" class="mw-redirect" title="Orthogenesis">linear and progressive evolution</a> from monkey-like creatures or human-like creatures. This leads to the "how come there are still monkeys?" question.</div></div></div> <div class="thumb tright"><div class="thumbinner" style="width:302px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Yadam.png" class="image"><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Yadam.png/330px-Yadam.png" decoding="async" width="300" height="191" class="thumbimage" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Yadam.png/450px-Yadam.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Yadam.png 2x" data-file-width="469" data-file-height="298" /></a> <div class="thumbcaption"><div class="magnify"><a href="/wiki/File:Yadam.png" class="internal" title="Enlarge"></a></div>In reality, the relationship between chimps and humans is non-linear, as shown by this phylogenetic tree. MRCA = most recent common ancestor</div></div></div> <div class="thumb tright"><div class="thumbinner" style="width:302px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Tree_of_life_SVG.svg" class="image"><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Tree_of_life_SVG.svg/330px-Tree_of_life_SVG.svg.png" decoding="async" width="300" height="300" class="thumbimage" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Tree_of_life_SVG.svg/500px-Tree_of_life_SVG.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Tree_of_life_SVG.svg/960px-Tree_of_life_SVG.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1355" data-file-height="1355" /></a> <div class="thumbcaption"><div class="magnify"><a href="/wiki/File:Tree_of_life_SVG.svg" class="internal" title="Enlarge"></a></div>The Tree of Life, of which humans are but one twig. The bit from 00:00 to 9:00 comprises <i>Bacteria</i>, 9:00 to 10:00 represents <i>Archaea</i> (both are prokaryotes) and 10:00 to 12:00 is <i>Eukarya</i> (eukaryotes), including all plants, fungi and animals.</div></div></div> <p>Most of the simple but common "arguments" against evolution stem from serious misunderstandings of the science and principles that underlie it. Exploring the confusion behind the question is key to answering it. "Why are there still monkeys?" involves two major errors: </p> <ul><li>First: the <a href="/wiki/Psychological" class="mw-redirect" title="Psychological">psychological</a> <a href="/wiki/Essentialism" title="Essentialism">essentialism</a> of <a href="/wiki/Folk_science" title="Folk science">folk biology</a>. Research has shown that people (adults and children alike) tend to be "<a href="/wiki/Intuition" title="Intuition">intuitive</a> creationists". The phenomenon of psychological essentialism causes people not to engage in population thinking, but to lump all individual animals of a certain "natural kind" (in this case, monkeys) together as more or less identical. In this misconception of evolution, it is individuals that simultaneously "transform" rather than populations that <i>evolve</i>.<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-9">[7]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-10">[8]</a></sup></li></ul> <ul><li>Second: the question misinterprets evolution as a linear anthropocentric<sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-11">[9]</a></sup> process: an upward-sloping line, like the old, pre-scientific idea of a "<a href="/wiki/Great_Chain_of_Being" title="Great Chain of Being">Great Chain of Being</a>". This is a simple way of viewing evolution and changes are easily visualized in a linear fashion — the famous picture of human ancestors walking behind each other offers a prime example. However, this traces just one twig of a much more complicated <a href="/wiki/Tree_of_life" title="Tree of life">tree of life</a>.</li></ul> <p>Many people are deeply reluctant to consider the possibility seriously, and treat it as asking "<a href="/wiki/Do_you_want_to_be_descended_from_a_monkey%3F" title="Do you want to be descended from a monkey?">Do you want to be descended from a monkey?</a>" But, of course, <a href="/wiki/Science" title="Science">science</a> and <a href="/wiki/History" title="History">history</a> are about what <a href="/wiki/Reality" title="Reality">reality</a> is and was, <a href="/wiki/Hume%27s_law" class="mw-redirect" title="Hume's law">not what we would want it</a> to have been. </p><p>There is also the related question: "If monkeys changed into humans, why aren't today's monkeys changing into humans?" Many people subscribe to the mistaken ideas that: </p> <ol><li>evolution is finished</li> <li>evolution states that one animal only evolves into the next animal — that if we started again, the exact same evolution would happen</li> <li>some modern animals are descendants of other modern animals</li></ol> <p>The reality is that evolution is still happening, even in humans over the past few thousand years — the most famous and clear example being <a href="/wiki/Lactase_persistence" title="Lactase persistence">lactase persistence</a>, which developed in <a href="/wiki/Europe" title="Europe">Europe</a> 10,000 years ago and separately in <a href="/wiki/Kenya" title="Kenya">Kenya</a> 3,000 years ago. Evolution has a multitude of possible paths, with specific changes depending on the environmental pressures at any particular time. Evolution is not random, but is affected by random factors—good enough outcomes of those random factors are what survives. </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Serious_answers">Serious answers</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=How_come_there_are_still_monkeys%3F&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Serious answers">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>Key rebuttals address the misunderstandings behind the monkey issue: </p> <ul><li>Evolution is the change in populations, not in individuals.</li> <li>Evolution is <i>not</i> a process in which <a href="/wiki/Species" title="Species">species</a> universally progress up a "ladder".</li> <li>Humans are <i>not</i> descended from any modern species of monkey; both monkeys and humans are descended from some long-extinct ancestor pre-dating both. Although this species, if it were transferred to today, would be considered a "monkey", it is not any living species of monkey.</li> <li>Humans (<i>Homo sapiens</i>) are the only living species of the genus <i>Homo</i>, which is only one branch of the Great Ape (<a href="/wiki/Hominidae" class="mw-redirect" title="Hominidae">Hominidae</a>) family. The other species and genera, such as the extinct <a href="/wiki/Australopithecines" class="mw-redirect" title="Australopithecines">Australopithecines</a>, are less human-like, and such can be called more monkey-like.</li> <li>Evolution explains how <a href="/wiki/Human" title="Human">humans</a> developed from a <a href="/wiki/Primate" title="Primate">primate</a> ancestor, but not an extant species of monkey or <a href="/wiki/Ape" class="mw-redirect" title="Ape">ape</a>. Modern primates include: <a href="/wiki/Bonobo" title="Bonobo">bonobos</a>, <a href="/wiki/Chimpanzee" title="Chimpanzee">chimpanzees</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/gorilla" class="extiw" title="wp:gorilla" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: gorilla">gorilla</span>s</a>,<sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup> <a href="/wiki/Orangutan" class="mw-redirect" title="Orangutan">orangutans</a>, baboons, macaques, lemurs, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/gibbon" class="extiw" title="wp:gibbon" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: gibbon">gibbon</span>s</a>,<sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup> and humans. None of these is a descendant of any other.</li> <li>Regarding Australopithecines and <a href="/wiki/Hominina" class="mw-redirect" title="Hominina">others</a> — including those which truly did eventually evolve into us — it is <b>not</b> true that "there are still" those ancestors.</li> <li>Speciation can occur by branching into two or more reproductively isolated populations (cladogenesis) or when a single population changes over time to such an extent that the later population is considered a different species (anagenesis).</li></ul> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Disappearance_of_ancestors">Disappearance of ancestors</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=How_come_there_are_still_monkeys%3F&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Disappearance of ancestors">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <p>The question assumes that ancestral forms must disappear as evolution takes place. This is not the case — species can often go millions of years with little in the way of change (hence "<a href="/wiki/Living_fossil" title="Living fossil">living fossils</a>"). If an ancestral form is well adapted to a particular set of conditions (i.e. it "fits" an ecological niche) and these conditions do not change, then there is minimal <a href="/wiki/Selection_pressure#Selection_pressures" class="mw-redirect" title="Selection pressure">selection pressure</a> to drive evolution; this is what is really meant by "survival of the fittest": those who best "fit" in their environment. If a sub-population of this species migrates to a new habitat with new conditions (<i>e.g.</i>, new food or a new predator), then selection pressure is placed upon it to evolve. As this sub-population evolves to fit a different set of environmental conditions, it may diversify enough to form a new species while the ancestral form stays relatively unchanged. But there's no rule that says the original species must go extinct to make way for the new one. </p><p>This sort of change drives much of evolution, with populations being split and forced by nature to adapt to new environments. Separation of this type often leads to one species splitting into two separate species. Indeed, it was observations of this sort that initially led Darwin to propose <a href="/wiki/Natural_selection" title="Natural selection">natural selection</a> as the mechanism for evolution. </p> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Branching_family_tree_of_cousins">Branching family tree of cousins</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=How_come_there_are_still_monkeys%3F&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Branching family tree of cousins">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <p>Some report<sup id="cite_ref-12" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-12">[10]</a></sup> success with the cousins analogy: species are extended groups of distant cousins with a long-dead (great-great-great-) grandparent. The current configuration of life is a snapshot of the living; the dead are long gone and no one wrote down the family tree, so we have to work it out from available evidence. <a href="/wiki/Richard_Dawkins" title="Richard Dawkins">Richard Dawkins</a> uses this analogy in his book <i><a href="/wiki/River_Out_of_Eden" title="River Out of Eden">River Out of Eden</a></i>. Asking <i>If humans are descended from monkeys…</i> is the same as asking <i>If I am descended from (misleading, the correct term would be "related to") cousin Bob, why is cousin Bob still alive?</i><sup id="cite_ref-13" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-13">[note 3]</a></sup> </p> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Complexity_and_intelligence">Complexity and intelligence</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=How_come_there_are_still_monkeys%3F&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Complexity and intelligence">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <p>The question also seems to assume that evolution moves from more simple organisms to more complex ones. Given a simplistic view of evolution, it's easy to assume that humans are more complex than monkeys and that consequently "humans evolved from monkeys". But evolution is about adaptation, and this doesn't necessarily involve an increase in complexity — though increases in complexity are frequently the result of improved adaptation. While modern humans certainly possess intellectual skills far superior to those of modern monkeys, it is by no means clear that their common ancestor was less intelligent — or even more monkey-like — than modern monkeys. </p><p>Humans are only "superior" to monkeys in terms of intelligence, and the hidden assumption is that intelligence is a sign that we are the "most evolved". From our anthropomorphic point of view, this makes us superior. However, if we were to classify "most evolved" as meaning "most able to live in trees", then the pinnacle of evolution would be held by monkeys. One could choose any extremely evolved capability to make the same claim — an elephant's trunk, for example. </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Socratic_answers">Socratic answers</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=How_come_there_are_still_monkeys%3F&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Socratic answers">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>You can try to elicit from the questioner what on earth the question means to them using the <a href="/wiki/Socratic_method" class="mw-redirect" title="Socratic method">Socratic method</a>: </p> <ul><li>Why <i>shouldn't</i> there still be monkeys?</li></ul> <p>They're probably thinking in terms of linear evolution working up a ladder of life, but the details may be of interest. </p> <ul><li>Which species of monkey do you expect to be missing? How do you know there wasn't one that is actually missing now, having turned into us?</li></ul> <p>This points out the mistake of believing that all monkeys belong to one "monkey <a href="/wiki/Baraminology" title="Baraminology">kind</a>".<sup id="cite_ref-14" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-14">[11]</a></sup> </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Informal_answers">Informal answers</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=How_come_there_are_still_monkeys%3F&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Informal answers">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <div class="thumb tright"><div class="thumbinner" style="width:302px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Macaque.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="/w/images/thumb/2/23/Macaque.jpg/300px-Macaque.jpg" decoding="async" width="300" height="300" class="thumbimage" srcset="/w/images/thumb/2/23/Macaque.jpg/450px-Macaque.jpg 1.5x, /w/images/2/23/Macaque.jpg 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <div class="thumbcaption"><div class="magnify"><a href="/wiki/File:Macaque.jpg" class="internal" title="Enlarge"></a></div>A monkey (<i>Macaca fascicularis</i>), defiantly persisting in existing.</div></div></div> <p>A scientific or generalized explanation may be difficult for someone with a fundamental misunderstanding of evolutionary theory to grasp. An informal analogy may get the idea of non-linear evolution across: </p> <ul><li>If <a href="/wiki/Dog" class="mw-redirect" title="Dog">dogs</a> are domesticated <a href="/wiki/Wolves" class="mw-redirect" title="Wolves">wolves</a>, how come there are still wolves?</li> <li>If mammals and birds are descended from reptiles, then why are there still reptiles?</li> <li>If white <a href="/wiki/Americans" class="mw-redirect" title="Americans">Americans</a> and white <a href="/wiki/Australia" title="Australia">Australians</a> are both descended from <a href="/wiki/Europe" title="Europe">Europeans</a>, how come there are still Europeans?</li> <li>If <a href="/wiki/Protestants" class="mw-redirect" title="Protestants">Protestants</a> came from <a href="/wiki/Catholics" class="mw-redirect" title="Catholics">Catholics</a>, how come there are still Catholics?<sup id="cite_ref-15" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-15">[12]</a></sup></li> <li>If <a href="/wiki/Christians" class="mw-redirect" title="Christians">Christians</a> came from <a href="/wiki/Jews" class="mw-redirect" title="Jews">Jews</a>, how come there are still Jews?<sup id="cite_ref-16" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-16">[note 4]</a></sup></li> <li>If rock-and-roll came from the blues, how come there is still the blues?</li> <li>If the English language is descended from Old Norse, Proto-Germanic, and Norman French, how come people still speak Norwegian, German, and French?</li> <li>If the Afrikaans language is descended from Dutch, how come people still speak Dutch?</li> <li>If <a href="/wiki/Rain" title="Rain">rain</a> comes from clouds, how come there are still clouds?</li></ul> <p>One of the most powerful ideas in evolution is that speciation is caused by physical separation. Just as Americans are separated from Europeans by the Atlantic ocean, species can diversify along different routes when isolated from each other. One may change dramatically, one may stay the same. There are still Europeans. There are still monkeys. </p><p>If this doesn't work (actual answer to the Europeans analogy: "But that's <i>different.</i>"), then you may have some trouble getting the point across to this person. </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Joking_answers">Joking answers</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=How_come_there_are_still_monkeys%3F&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Joking answers">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <div class="thumb tright"><div class="thumbinner" style="width:152px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Macaca_nigra_self-portrait.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Macaca_nigra_self-portrait.jpg/150px-Macaca_nigra_self-portrait.jpg" decoding="async" width="150" height="207" class="thumbimage" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Macaca_nigra_self-portrait.jpg/225px-Macaca_nigra_self-portrait.jpg 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Macaca_nigra_self-portrait.jpg/300px-Macaca_nigra_self-portrait.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1085" data-file-height="1500" /></a> <div class="thumbcaption"><div class="magnify"><a href="/wiki/File:Macaca_nigra_self-portrait.jpg" class="internal" title="Enlarge"></a></div>A monkey (<i>Macaca nigra</i>) enjoying your answer.</div></div></div> <p>If you're quite sure the creationist doesn't care about your answer, then feel free not to take the question seriously — although one does run the risk of cementing even more misunderstandings about evolution, as these do resemble the <a href="/wiki/Straw_man" title="Straw man">straw man</a> answers often put forward by creationists to mock evolution. </p> <ul><li>When monkeys turned into humans, the gap was filled in by shrews turning into monkeys, lizards turning into shrews, salamanders turning into lizards, and so on down the line.</li> <li>Some of the monkeys, when given the choice, preferred to stay the same.</li> <li>If man was formed "of the dust of the ground" (<a href="/wiki/RationalWiki:Annotated_Bible/Genesis#Genesis_2:7" title="RationalWiki:Annotated Bible/Genesis">Genesis 2:7</a>), how come there is still dust? <ul><li>Variant: If man was created in the image of <a href="/wiki/God" title="God">God</a>, how come God still exists?</li> <li>Variant: If God made <a href="/wiki/Eve" class="mw-redirect" title="Eve">Eve</a> from <a href="/wiki/Adam" class="mw-redirect" title="Adam">Adam</a>'s rib, then how come there was still Adam?<sup id="cite_ref-17" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-17">[note 5]</a></sup></li></ul></li> <li>Their <a href="/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon" title="Pokémon">Pokétrainers</a> don't put them in enough fights for them to evolve.</li> <li>If you descend from your grandparents, then why do your cousins exist?</li></ul> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Troublesome_answers">Troublesome answers</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=How_come_there_are_still_monkeys%3F&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Troublesome answers">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>One of the very worst ways this question can be answered is to argue the definition of "monkey" or "ape", or whatever. "Ah, but humans <i>are</i> monkeys!" says the feisty <a href="/wiki/Evolutionist" class="mw-redirect" title="Evolutionist">evolutionist</a>, thinking that they can get one up over the creationist by being clever. Any consistent, monophyletic collection which includes all monkeys (as well as apes) also necessarily include humans as well. If the question is about fish, it's even worse, as "fish" is a <a href="/wiki/Cladistics#Cladistic_classification" title="Cladistics">paraphyletic</a> group. </p><p>The important thing is that <i>the universe doesn't give a hoot</i> what we call particular animals and how we group them. Names, clades, groups, species, and sub-species are all human inventions designed to help group and classify animals. These are useful, and in <a href="/wiki/Cladistics" title="Cladistics">scientific taxonomy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Baraminology" title="Baraminology">at least</a>) are based on real properties, but they're not <i>real</i> distinctions. Actual evolution works on populations and individuals that comprise them; the fact that we like to break these up into groups is just a model, nothing more. Any discussion of what is and what isn't a monkey, ape, or human in the context of the "why are there still monkeys" question would be to miss the point entirely. It nicely highlights how our definitions might be a little arbitrary when put next to reality, but this has little bearing on the misconceptions underpinning the fallacy. </p><p>One might be tempted to say that <a href="/wiki/Neanderthals" class="mw-redirect" title="Neanderthals">Neanderthals</a> aren't around anymore. This seems like a simple way of dealing with the issue, avoiding the complexities, and everyone knows that Neanderthals are gone. But it can leave the impression that one is saying that modern humans are a step up the evolutionary ladder from Neanderthals; or that Neanderthals were more monkey-like than modern humans. Does one really want to take that easy way out? </p> <h2><span id="Why_aren't_monkeys_evolving_today?"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Why_aren.27t_monkeys_evolving_today.3F">Why aren't monkeys evolving today?</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=How_come_there_are_still_monkeys%3F&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Why aren't monkeys evolving today?">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>A related question is "Why aren't monkeys evolving (into humans) today?" Or even "Why aren't humans evolving (whether <i>from</i> monkeys, or <i>to</i> something better)?" </p><p>Aside from much that has already been pointed out: </p><p>The simplest answer is that monkeys, and humans, and everything else (unless it's going extinct, which is a kind of evolution anyway) <i>are</i> evolving today. </p> <ul><li>Today's species have taken their own path of evolution over the last millions of years. Evolution from one modern species to another would require <i>undoing</i> a bunch of evolution and <i>repeating</i> another bunch of evolution, which would, if it were possible, take millions of years.</li> <li>The environment — including the various other species to which the species has a relationship as competitor, symbiont, prey, etc. — is different today from when today's species first appeared, so the evolutionary pressures are different. Especially in zoos. (And yes some people seem to think we should be able to go to the zoo and see monkeys evolve.<sup id="cite_ref-18" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-18">[13]</a></sup>)</li> <li>There is no direction that is universally better ("up the ladder"), just change via reaction. "Fit" in "survival of the fittest" is best understood as "those best fit to their environment". (OK, this is repeating what has been said before, but it is worth repeating.)</li> <li>There have been, and continue to be, evolutionary changes to humans. <ul><li>The <a href="/wiki/Malaria#Sickle-cell_disease" title="Malaria">sickle cell anemia</a> trait, in response to <a href="/wiki/Malaria" title="Malaria">malaria</a>.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Lactase_persistence" title="Lactase persistence">Lactase persistence</a> in adults, in several cultures with dairy farming.</li> <li>High altitude tolerance<sup id="cite_ref-19" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-19">[14]</a></sup> in the Andes, Ethiopian highlands, and Himalayas.</li></ul></li> <li>Around five thousand years of recorded history may seem like a long stretch, but it's just a snapshot of the evolutionary process. To ask why something hasn't changed into an entirely different form in that time is like asking why your popcorn hasn't popped after one second in the microwave.</li></ul> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Further_reading">Further reading</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=How_come_there_are_still_monkeys%3F&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Further reading">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <ul><li> <i>Lone Survivors: How We Came to Be the Only Humans on Earth</i> (2013, St Martin's Griffin) Chris Stringer ISBN <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/9781250023308" title="Special:BookSources/9781250023308">9781250023308</a></li></ul> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="See_also">See also</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=How_come_there_are_still_monkeys%3F&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: See also">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/How_do_you_know%3F_Were_you_there%3F" title="How do you know? Were you there?">How do you know? Were you there?</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Banana_fallacy" class="mw-redirect" title="Banana fallacy">Banana fallacy</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category_mistake" title="Category mistake">Category mistake</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Scopes_trial" title="Scopes trial">Scopes trial</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Teleology" title="Teleology">Teleology</a></li></ul> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="External_links">External links</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=How_come_there_are_still_monkeys%3F&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: External links">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://i.imgur.com/t8zIZ5g.png">Info graphic</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/45594/title/Accept_it_Talk_about_evolution_needs_to_evolve_by_Eugenie_Scott">Accept It: Talk about evolution needs to evolve</a> by <a href="/wiki/Eugenie_Scott" title="Eugenie Scott">Eugenie Scott</a> (director of the <a href="/wiki/National_Center_for_Science_Education" title="National Center for Science Education">National Center for Science Education</a>) in <i>ScienceNews</i> volume 176 number 3 (August 1, 2009) page 32.</li></ul> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Notes">Notes</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=How_come_there_are_still_monkeys%3F&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Notes">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <div class="references-small" style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; font-size:90%;"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-2">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a href="/wiki/Richard_Dawkins" title="Richard Dawkins">Richard Dawkins</a> mentions in his Channel 4 documentary <i><a href="/wiki/Faith_School_Menace%3F" title="Faith School Menace?">Faith School Menace?</a></i> that this is the most common question posed to him. He cheekily turns to the faith school's science teacher to answer (it wouldn't be a spoiler to say she fails), before answering it himself.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-8"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-8">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">Among these, <a href="/wiki/Harun_Yahya" title="Harun Yahya">Harun Yahya</a> ranks among the worst offenders.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-13"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-13">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">Perhaps the point could phrased more true to the situation with <i>If I, a Smith, am descended from my Jones grandparents, how come the Jones family is still alive?</i> However, the cousin Bob analogy is more accurate relatively to the misleading question, since modern apes are not our ancestors (grandparents), but our evolutionary cousins who share with us a common ancestor.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-16"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-16">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">Though Christians have tried to make this one less true over the past 2000 years.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-17"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-17">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">Use with caution, though; too many people think that men <i>are</i> missing one rib. Work by <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/White/medicine/anatomy.html">Vesalius</a> proved this to be wrong in the 16<sup>th</sup> Century after years of just <i>assuming</i> that men must have a missing rib because the Bible said so.</span> </li> </ol></div></div> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="References">References</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=How_come_there_are_still_monkeys%3F&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: References">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <div class="references-small" style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; font-size:90%;"> <div class="mw-references-wrap mw-references-columns"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-1">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">TheThinkingAtheist. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSxgnu3Hww8&feature=player_detailpage#t=93">Top Ten Creationist Arguments.</a> <i>YouTube,</i> December 30, 2009. Retrieved October 24, 2023.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-3">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">See the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia">Wikipedia</a> article on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae" class="extiw" title="wp:Hominidae" rel="nofollow">Hominidae</a>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-4"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-4">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190205025252/https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent-exhibitions/anne-and-bernard-spitzer-hall-of-human-origins/understanding-our-past/dna-comparing-humans-and-chimps">DNA: Comparing Humans and Chimps.</a> <i>American Museum of Natural History.</i> Archived from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent-exhibitions/human-origins-and-cultural-halls/anne-and-bernard-spitzer-hall-of-human-origins/understanding-our-past/dna-comparing-humans-and-chimps/">the original</a> on February 5, 2019.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-5"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-5">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">For the genaeology of the great family of life, see the following <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia">Wikipedia</a> article: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_descent" class="extiw" title="wp:Common descent" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: Common descent">Common descent</span></a>.<sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-6"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-6">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">Mitchell, Tommy. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20230521064254/https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/arguments-to-avoid/if-humans-evolved-from-apes-why-do-apes-exist-today/">If Humans Evolved from Apes, Why Do Apes Exist Today?</a> <i>Answers in Genesis,</i> September 21, 2010. Archived from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/arguments-to-avoid/if-humans-evolved-from-apes-why-do-apes-exist-today/">the original</a> on May 21, 2023.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-7"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-7">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20230425015706/https://creation.com/arguments-we-think-creationists-should-not-use#apes">If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes today?</a> in Arguments We Think Creationists Should NOT Use. <i>Creation Ministries International</i>. Archived from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://creation.com/arguments-we-think-creationists-should-not-use#apes">the original</a> on April 25, 2023.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-9"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-9">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://mixingmemory.blogspot.com/2006/03/thinking-about-evolution-cognitive.html">Thinking About Evolution: Cognitive Factors That Get in the Way</a>, Mixing Memory</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-10"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-10">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">John L. Rudolph and Jim Stewart. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.colorado.edu/MCDB/LearningBiology/readings/Rudolph%26Stewart_1998.pdf">Evolution and the Nature of Science: On the Historical Discord and Its Implications for Education.</a> <i>Journal of Research in Science Teaching</i>, Vol. 35, NO. 10, PP. 1069–1089 (1998)</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-11"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-11">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">See the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia">Wikipedia</a> article on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/anthropocentricism" class="extiw" title="wp:anthropocentricism" rel="nofollow">anthropocentricism</a>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-12"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-12">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">bacopa, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/03/16/a-simple-answer-to-a-common-creationist-question/#comment-197296">comment</a>, <i>Why Evolution Is True</i>, 2021-03-17</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-14"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-14">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">Hat tip to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/05/no_really.php#comment-3996541">"Bruce the Hoon"</a> at PZ Myers' <i>Pharyngula</i> blog, comment dated May 28, 2011.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-15"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-15">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/03/16/a-simple-answer-to-a-common-creationist-question/#comment-197076">This one apparently works quite well.</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-18"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-18">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://markmaynard.com/2010/09/if-evolution-is-real-why-cant-we-go-to-the-zoo-and-see-monkeys-evolving-into-human-beings/">If evolution is real, why can’t we go to the zoo and see monkeys evolving into human beings?</a>, MarkMaynard.com, 2010</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-19"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-19">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">See the Wikipedia article <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altitude_adaptation_in_humans" class="extiw" title="w:High-altitude adaptation in humans">High-altitude adaptation in humans</a>.</span> </li> </ol></div></div> <div role="navigation" aria-labelledby="creationism-navbox" style="clear:both;"> <table class="toccolours collapsible collapsed autocollapse innercollapse outercollapse navbox nowraplinks" style="width:100%;"> <tbody><tr> <th colspan="4" style="background:#000000; 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font-size:125%">Types of creationism:</span></a></b> </td> <td style="background:#F2F2F2;"> <a href="/wiki/Gap_creationism" title="Gap creationism">Gap creationism</a> • <a href="/wiki/Day-age_creationism" title="Day-age creationism">Day-age creationism</a> • <a href="/wiki/Old_Earth_creationism" title="Old Earth creationism">Old Earth creationism</a> • <a href="/wiki/Progressive_creation" title="Progressive creation">Progressive creation</a> • <a href="/wiki/Hare_Krishna_creationism" title="Hare Krishna creationism">Hare Krishna creationism</a> • <a href="/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism" title="Young Earth creationism">Young Earth creationism</a> • <a href="/wiki/Intelligent_design" title="Intelligent design">Intelligent design</a> • </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="3" style="background:#000000; width:20%; text-align:right;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Evidence_against_a_recent_creation" title="Category:Evidence against a recent creation"><span style="color:white; font-size:125%">Evidence against a recent creation:</span></a></b> </td> <td style="background:#F2F2F2;"> <a href="/wiki/Creationism_and_social_history" title="Creationism and social history">Creationism and social history</a> • <a href="/wiki/Geomagnetism" title="Geomagnetism">Geomagnetism</a> • <a href="/wiki/Petrified_forest" title="Petrified forest">Petrified forest</a> • <a href="/wiki/Radiometric_dating" title="Radiometric dating">Radiometric dating</a> • <a href="/wiki/Carbon_dating" title="Carbon dating">Carbon dating</a> • <a href="/wiki/Dendrochronology" title="Dendrochronology">Dendrochronology</a> • <a href="/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam" title="Y-chromosomal Adam">Y-chromosomal Adam</a> • <a href="/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve" title="Mitochondrial Eve">Mitochondrial Eve</a> • <a href="/wiki/Starlight_problem" title="Starlight problem">Starlight problem</a> • <a href="/wiki/Plate_tectonics" title="Plate tectonics">Plate tectonics</a> • <a href="/wiki/Rotation_of_the_Earth" title="Rotation of the Earth">Rotation of the Earth</a> • <a href="/wiki/Atmosphere_of_the_Moon" title="Atmosphere of the Moon">Atmosphere of the Moon</a> • <a href="/wiki/Biogeography" title="Biogeography">Biogeography</a> • <a href="/wiki/K-Pg_extinction_event" title="K-Pg extinction event">K-Pg extinction event</a> • <a href="/wiki/Geologic_timeline" title="Geologic timeline">Geologic timeline</a> • <a href="/wiki/Fossil" title="Fossil">Fossil</a> • <a href="/wiki/Transitional_fossil" title="Transitional fossil">Transitional fossil</a> • <a href="/wiki/Fossil_record" title="Fossil record">Fossil record</a> • <a href="/wiki/Lake_Agassiz" title="Lake Agassiz">Lake Agassiz</a> • <a href="/wiki/List_of_transitional_forms" title="List of transitional forms">List of transitional forms</a> • <a href="/wiki/Recent_African_Origin_hypothesis" title="Recent African Origin hypothesis">Recent African Origin hypothesis</a> • <a href="/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium" title="Punctuated equilibrium">Punctuated equilibrium</a> • <a href="/wiki/Bird_evolution" title="Bird evolution">Bird evolution</a> • <a href="/wiki/Geology" title="Geology">Geology</a> • <a href="/wiki/Grand_Canyon" title="Grand Canyon">Grand Canyon</a> • <a href="/wiki/Evolution" title="Evolution">Evolution</a> • <a href="/wiki/Fossil_fuel" title="Fossil fuel">Fossil fuel</a> • <a href="/wiki/Paleontology" title="Paleontology">Paleontology</a> • <a href="/wiki/History_of_the_Earth" title="History of the Earth">History of the Earth</a> • <a href="/wiki/Evidence_against_a_recent_creation" title="Evidence against a recent creation">Evidence against a recent creation</a> • <a href="/wiki/Yellowstone" title="Yellowstone">Yellowstone</a> • <a href="/wiki/Diamond" title="Diamond">Diamond</a> • <a href="/wiki/Iron" title="Iron">Iron</a> • <a href="/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth" title="Age of the Earth">Age of the Earth</a> • </td></tr> <tr> <td style="width:5%;">  </td> <td colspan="2" style="background:#000000; 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width:15%; text-align:right;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Global_flood" title="Category:Global flood"><span style="color:white; font-size:125%">Global flood:</span></a></b> </td> <td style="background:#F2F2F2;"> <a href="/wiki/Flood_geology" title="Flood geology">Flood geology</a> • <a href="/wiki/Noah%27s_Ark" title="Noah's Ark">Noah's Ark</a> • <a href="/wiki/Noah" title="Noah">Noah</a> • <a href="/wiki/Lunar_bukkake_hypothesis" title="Lunar bukkake hypothesis">Lunar bukkake hypothesis</a> • <a href="/wiki/Fossil_sorting_by_the_global_flood" title="Fossil sorting by the global flood">Fossil sorting by the global flood</a> • <a href="/wiki/Hydroplate_theory" title="Hydroplate theory">Hydroplate theory</a> • <a href="/wiki/Global_flood" title="Global flood">Global flood</a> • <a href="/wiki/Grand_Canyon" title="Grand Canyon">Grand Canyon</a> • <a href="/wiki/Noah_(film)" title="Noah (film)">Noah (film)</a> • <a href="/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh" title="Epic of Gilgamesh">Epic of Gilgamesh</a> • <a href="/wiki/Didit_fallacy" title="Didit fallacy">Didit fallacy</a> • <a href="/wiki/Fun:God%27s_Love" title="Fun:God's Love">God's Love</a> • <a href="/wiki/Noah%27s_Ark_sightings" title="Noah's Ark sightings">Noah's Ark sightings</a> • <a href="/wiki/Haji_Yearam" title="Haji Yearam">Haji Yearam</a> • <a href="/wiki/Lake_Agassiz" title="Lake Agassiz">Lake Agassiz</a> • <a href="/wiki/Parasites_during_the_global_flood" title="Parasites during the global flood">Parasites during the global flood</a> • <a href="/wiki/Life_and_the_global_flood" title="Life and the global flood">Life and the global flood</a> • <a href="/wiki/Global_flood_chronology" title="Global flood chronology">Global flood chronology</a> • <a href="/wiki/Yellowstone" title="Yellowstone">Yellowstone</a> • <a href="/wiki/Petrified_forest" title="Petrified forest">Petrified forest</a> • <a href="/wiki/Baraminology" title="Baraminology">Baraminology</a> • </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="3" style="background:#000000; width:20%; text-align:right;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Intelligent_design_creationism" title="Category:Intelligent design creationism"><span style="color:white; font-size:125%">Intelligent design creationism:</span></a></b> </td> <td style="background:#F2F2F2;"> <a href="/wiki/Falsifiability_of_creationism" title="Falsifiability of creationism">Falsifiability of creationism</a> • <a href="/wiki/Irreducible_complexity" title="Irreducible complexity">Irreducible complexity</a> • <a href="/wiki/Cdesign_proponentsists" title="Cdesign proponentsists">Cdesign proponentsists</a> • <a href="/wiki/Intelligent_design_and_academic_freedom" title="Intelligent design and academic freedom">Intelligent design and academic freedom</a> • <a href="/wiki/Argument_from_design" title="Argument from design">Argument from design</a> • <a href="/wiki/The_Wonders_of_Creation_Reveal_God%27s_Glory" title="The Wonders of Creation Reveal God's Glory">The Wonders of Creation Reveal God's Glory</a> • <a href="/wiki/Biological_Information:_New_Perspectives" title="Biological Information: New Perspectives">Biological Information: New Perspectives</a> • <a href="/wiki/Seeking_God_in_Science:_An_Atheist_Defends_Intelligent_Design" title="Seeking God in Science: An Atheist Defends Intelligent Design">Seeking God in Science: An Atheist Defends Intelligent Design</a> • <a href="/wiki/John_A._Davison" title="John A. Davison">John A. Davison</a> • <a href="/wiki/Evolution_Under_the_Microscope:_A_Scientific_Critique_of_the_Theory_of_Evolution" title="Evolution Under the Microscope: A Scientific Critique of the Theory of Evolution">Evolution Under the Microscope: A Scientific Critique of the Theory of Evolution</a> • <a href="/wiki/Rethinking_Darwin:_A_Vedic_Study_of_Darwinism_and_Intelligent_Design" title="Rethinking Darwin: A Vedic Study of Darwinism and Intelligent Design">Rethinking Darwin: A Vedic Study of Darwinism and Intelligent Design</a> • <a href="/wiki/Mind_and_Cosmos:_Why_the_Materialist_Neo-Darwinian_Conception_of_Nature_Is_Almost_Certainly_False" title="Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature Is Almost Certainly False">Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature Is Almost Certainly False</a> • <a href="/wiki/Providence_Lost:_A_Critique_of_Darwinism" title="Providence Lost: A Critique of Darwinism">Providence Lost: A Critique of Darwinism</a> • <a href="/wiki/The_Darwin_Myth:_The_Life_and_Lies_of_Charles_Darwin" title="The Darwin Myth: The Life and Lies of Charles Darwin">The Darwin Myth: The Life and Lies of Charles Darwin</a> • <a href="/wiki/The_Mystery_of_Life%27s_Origin:_Reassessing_Current_Theories" title="The Mystery of Life's Origin: Reassessing Current Theories">The Mystery of Life's Origin: Reassessing Current Theories</a> • <a href="/wiki/The_Origin_of_Human_Nature:_A_Zen_Buddhist_Looks_at_Evolution" title="The Origin of Human Nature: A Zen Buddhist Looks at Evolution">The Origin of Human Nature: A Zen Buddhist Looks at Evolution</a> • <a href="/wiki/Thomas_Nagel" title="Thomas Nagel">Thomas Nagel</a> • <a href="/wiki/Darwinism_Under_The_Microscope:_How_Recent_Scientific_Evidence_Points_To_Divine_Design" title="Darwinism Under The Microscope: How Recent Scientific Evidence Points To Divine Design">Darwinism Under The Microscope: How Recent Scientific Evidence Points To Divine Design</a> • <a href="/wiki/The_End_of_Darwinism" title="The End of Darwinism">The End of Darwinism</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ask_Darwinists" title="Ask Darwinists">Ask Darwinists</a> • <a href="/wiki/Polonium_halos" title="Polonium halos">Polonium halos</a> • <a href="/wiki/Explanatory_Filter" title="Explanatory Filter">Explanatory Filter</a> • <a href="/wiki/Flowers_of_asexually-reproducing_plants" title="Flowers of asexually-reproducing plants">Flowers of asexually-reproducing plants</a> • <a href="/wiki/Eye" title="Eye">Eye</a> • <a href="/wiki/Argument_from_fine_tuning" title="Argument from fine tuning">Argument from fine tuning</a> • <a href="/wiki/Argument_from_beauty" title="Argument from beauty">Argument from beauty</a> • <a href="/wiki/Argument_from_first_cause" title="Argument from first cause">Argument from first cause</a> • <a href="/wiki/Flagellum" title="Flagellum">Flagellum</a> • <a href="/wiki/Moody_Institute_of_Science" title="Moody Institute of Science">Moody Institute of Science</a> • <a href="/wiki/Intelligent_design" title="Intelligent design">Intelligent design</a> • <a href="/wiki/Laryngeal_nerve" title="Laryngeal nerve">Laryngeal nerve</a> • <a href="/wiki/Suboptimal_design" title="Suboptimal design">Suboptimal design</a> • <a href="/wiki/Adam_and_Evolution:_A_Scientific_Critique_of_Neo-Darwinism" title="Adam and Evolution: A Scientific Critique of Neo-Darwinism">Adam and Evolution: A Scientific Critique of Neo-Darwinism</a> • <a href="/wiki/Expelled:_Leader%27s_Guide" title="Expelled: Leader's Guide">Expelled: Leader's Guide</a> • <a href="/wiki/Banana_argument" title="Banana argument">Banana argument</a> • <a href="/wiki/Vault-Co" title="Vault-Co">Vault-Co</a> • </td></tr> <tr> <td style="width:5%;">  </td> <td colspan="2" style="background:#000000; width:15%; text-align:right;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Intelligent_alternatives" title="Category:Intelligent alternatives"><span style="color:white; font-size:125%">"Intelligent" alternatives:</span></a></b> </td> <td style="background:#F2F2F2;"> <a href="/wiki/Intelligent_falling" title="Intelligent falling">Intelligent falling</a> • <a href="/wiki/Scientific_storkism" title="Scientific storkism">Scientific storkism</a> • <a href="/wiki/Pastafarianism" title="Pastafarianism">Pastafarianism</a> • <a href="/wiki/Fun:Scientific_Geoterrapinism" title="Fun:Scientific Geoterrapinism">Scientific Geoterrapinism</a> • <a href="/wiki/Fun:Wedgie_strategy" title="Fun:Wedgie strategy">Wedgie strategy</a> • </td></tr> <tr> <td style="width:5%;">  </td> <td colspan="2" style="background:#000000; width:15%; text-align:right;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Teach_the_controversy" title="Category:Teach the controversy"><span style="color:white; font-size:125%">Teach the controversy:</span></a></b> </td> <td style="background:#F2F2F2;"> <a href="/wiki/Santorum_Amendment" title="Santorum Amendment">Santorum Amendment</a> • <a href="/wiki/Missouri_House_Bill_1227" title="Missouri House Bill 1227">Missouri House Bill 1227</a> • <a href="/wiki/Indiana_Senate_Bill_89" title="Indiana Senate Bill 89">Indiana Senate Bill 89</a> • <a href="/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District" title="Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District">Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District</a> • <a href="/wiki/Academic_Freedom_Act" title="Academic Freedom Act">Academic Freedom Act</a> • <a href="/wiki/Louisiana_Academic_Freedom_Act" title="Louisiana Academic Freedom Act">Louisiana Academic Freedom Act</a> • <a href="/wiki/Tennessee_monkey_bill" title="Tennessee monkey bill">Tennessee monkey bill</a> • <a href="/wiki/Edwards_v._Aguillard" title="Edwards v. Aguillard">Edwards v. Aguillard</a> • <a href="/wiki/Thomas_More_Law_Center" title="Thomas More Law Center">Thomas More Law Center</a> • <a href="/wiki/School_vouchers" title="School vouchers">School vouchers</a> • <a href="/wiki/Eugenie_Scott" title="Eugenie Scott">Eugenie Scott</a> • <a href="/wiki/Teach_the_controversy" title="Teach the controversy">Teach the controversy</a> • <a href="/wiki/Truth_in_Science" title="Truth in Science">Truth in Science</a> • <a href="/wiki/McLean_v._Arkansas_Board_of_Education" title="McLean v. Arkansas Board of Education">McLean v. Arkansas Board of Education</a> • </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="3" style="background:#000000; width:20%; text-align:right;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Creationists" title="Category:Creationists"><span style="color:white; font-size:125%">Creationists:</span></a></b> </td> <td style="background:#F2F2F2;"> <a href="/wiki/Ben_Stein" title="Ben Stein">Ben Stein</a> • <a href="/wiki/Barry_Setterfield" title="Barry Setterfield">Barry Setterfield</a> • <a href="/wiki/Jonathan_Sarfati" title="Jonathan Sarfati">Jonathan Sarfati</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ray_Comfort" title="Ray Comfort">Ray Comfort</a> • <a href="/wiki/B.H._Shadduck" title="B.H. Shadduck">B.H. Shadduck</a> • <a href="/wiki/Kirk_Cameron" title="Kirk Cameron">Kirk Cameron</a> • <a href="/wiki/Harun_Yahya" title="Harun Yahya">Harun Yahya</a> • <a href="/wiki/Wendy_Wright" title="Wendy Wright">Wendy Wright</a> • <a href="/wiki/Carl_Wieland" title="Carl Wieland">Carl Wieland</a> • <a href="/wiki/John_Ankerberg" title="John Ankerberg">John Ankerberg</a> • <a href="/wiki/Jack_Cuozzo" title="Jack Cuozzo">Jack Cuozzo</a> • <a href="/wiki/William_Jennings_Bryan" title="William Jennings Bryan">William Jennings Bryan</a> • <a href="/wiki/Russ_Miller" title="Russ Miller">Russ Miller</a> • <a href="/wiki/Lee_Strobel" title="Lee Strobel">Lee Strobel</a> • <a href="/wiki/Brother_Stair" title="Brother Stair">Brother Stair</a> • <a href="/wiki/Paul_Nelson" title="Paul Nelson">Paul Nelson</a> • <a href="/wiki/James_Nienhuis" title="James Nienhuis">James Nienhuis</a> • <a href="/wiki/Art_Robinson" title="Art Robinson">Art Robinson</a> • <a href="/wiki/Alan_O%27Reilly" title="Alan O'Reilly">Alan O'Reilly</a> • <a href="/wiki/PPSIMMONS" title="PPSIMMONS">PPSIMMONS</a> • <a href="/wiki/Hank_Hanegraaff" title="Hank Hanegraaff">Hank Hanegraaff</a> • <a href="/wiki/Charlie_Wagner" title="Charlie Wagner">Charlie Wagner</a> • <a href="/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh" title="Rush Limbaugh">Rush Limbaugh</a> • <a href="/wiki/Roy_Spencer" title="Roy Spencer">Roy Spencer</a> • <a href="/wiki/Grover_Norquist" title="Grover Norquist">Grover Norquist</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ann_Coulter" title="Ann Coulter">Ann Coulter</a> • <a href="/wiki/Christopher_Booker" title="Christopher Booker">Christopher Booker</a> • <a href="/wiki/Andrea_Minichiello_Williams" title="Andrea Minichiello Williams">Andrea Minichiello Williams</a> • <a href="/wiki/Tom_Bethell" title="Tom Bethell">Tom Bethell</a> • <a href="/wiki/Chuck_Baldwin" title="Chuck Baldwin">Chuck Baldwin</a> • <a href="/wiki/Rick_Perry" title="Rick Perry">Rick Perry</a> • <a href="/wiki/Bradley_Monton" title="Bradley Monton">Bradley Monton</a> • <a href="/wiki/Christopher_Langan" title="Christopher Langan">Christopher Langan</a> • <a href="/wiki/Aimee_Semple_McPherson" title="Aimee Semple McPherson">Aimee Semple McPherson</a> • <a href="/wiki/Richard_Kent" title="Richard Kent">Richard Kent</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ljiljana_%C4%8Coli%C4%87" title="Ljiljana Čolić">Ljiljana Čolić</a> • <a href="/wiki/Abuz_Zubair" title="Abuz Zubair">Abuz Zubair</a> • <a href="/wiki/Scott_Huse" title="Scott Huse">Scott Huse</a> • <a href="/wiki/Barry_Arrington" title="Barry Arrington">Barry Arrington</a> • <a href="/wiki/Grant_Jeffrey" title="Grant Jeffrey">Grant Jeffrey</a> • <a href="/wiki/Janet_Porter" title="Janet Porter">Janet Porter</a> • <a href="/wiki/Alan_Clifford" title="Alan Clifford">Alan Clifford</a> • <a href="/wiki/Kurt_Wise" title="Kurt Wise">Kurt Wise</a> • <a href="/wiki/Kenneth_McKilliam" title="Kenneth McKilliam">Kenneth McKilliam</a> • <a href="/wiki/Bradlee_Dean" title="Bradlee Dean">Bradlee Dean</a> • <a href="/wiki/Hugh_Ross" title="Hugh Ross">Hugh Ross</a> • <a href="/wiki/Geoffrey_Simmons" title="Geoffrey Simmons">Geoffrey Simmons</a> • <a href="/wiki/James_Le_Fanu" title="James Le Fanu">James Le Fanu</a> • <a href="/wiki/Norman_Nevin" title="Norman Nevin">Norman Nevin</a> • <a href="/wiki/Shaun_Johnston" title="Shaun Johnston">Shaun Johnston</a> • <a href="/wiki/Issac_Bourne" title="Issac Bourne">Issac Bourne</a> • <a href="/wiki/John_C._Sanford" title="John C. Sanford">John C. Sanford</a> • <a href="/wiki/Fazale_Rana" title="Fazale Rana">Fazale Rana</a> • <a href="/wiki/Benjamin_Wiker" title="Benjamin Wiker">Benjamin Wiker</a> • <a href="/wiki/Hugh_Dower" title="Hugh Dower">Hugh Dower</a> • <a href="/wiki/Lee_Spetner" title="Lee Spetner">Lee Spetner</a> • <a href="/wiki/Mark_Ludwig" title="Mark Ludwig">Mark Ludwig</a> • <a href="/wiki/Alan_Hayward" title="Alan Hayward">Alan Hayward</a> • <a href="/wiki/Werner_Gitt" title="Werner Gitt">Werner Gitt</a> • <a href="/wiki/William_Fix" title="William Fix">William Fix</a> • <a href="/wiki/Maciej_Giertych" title="Maciej Giertych">Maciej Giertych</a> • <a href="/wiki/John_C._Landon" title="John C. Landon">John C. Landon</a> • <a href="/wiki/Barbara_Cargill" title="Barbara Cargill">Barbara Cargill</a> • <a href="/wiki/Philip_Snow" title="Philip Snow">Philip Snow</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ken_Jopp" title="Ken Jopp">Ken Jopp</a> • <a href="/wiki/Frank_Tipler" title="Frank Tipler">Frank Tipler</a> • <a href="/wiki/Richard_William_Nelson" title="Richard William Nelson">Richard William Nelson</a> • <a href="/wiki/Todd_Friel" title="Todd Friel">Todd Friel</a> • <a href="/wiki/Bob_Sorensen" title="Bob Sorensen">Bob Sorensen</a> • <a href="/wiki/Eugene_Windchy" title="Eugene Windchy">Eugene Windchy</a> • <a href="/wiki/Berit_Kjos" title="Berit Kjos">Berit Kjos</a> • <a href="/wiki/Glenn_Beck" title="Glenn Beck">Glenn Beck</a> • <a href="/wiki/Robert_McLuhan" title="Robert McLuhan">Robert McLuhan</a> • <a href="/wiki/George_C._Deutsch" title="George C. Deutsch">George C. Deutsch</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ross_McKitrick" title="Ross McKitrick">Ross McKitrick</a> • <a href="/wiki/Daniel_Neiman" title="Daniel Neiman">Daniel Neiman</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ron_Wyatt" title="Ron Wyatt">Ron Wyatt</a> • <a href="/wiki/Desmond_Paul_Allen" title="Desmond Paul Allen">Desmond Paul Allen</a> • <a href="/wiki/Jay_Wile" title="Jay Wile">Jay Wile</a> • <a href="/wiki/Jack_Chick" title="Jack Chick">Jack Chick</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ian_Juby" title="Ian Juby">Ian Juby</a> • <a href="/wiki/Anthony_Peake" title="Anthony Peake">Anthony Peake</a> • <a href="/wiki/Tim_Ball" title="Tim Ball">Tim Ball</a> • <a href="/wiki/Sheik_Feiz_Muhammad" title="Sheik Feiz Muhammad">Sheik Feiz Muhammad</a> • <a href="/wiki/J._P._Holding" title="J. P. Holding">J. P. Holding</a> • <a href="/wiki/Michael_Cremo" title="Michael Cremo">Michael Cremo</a> • <a href="/wiki/Chuck_Norris" title="Chuck Norris">Chuck Norris</a> • <a href="/wiki/Steve_Milloy" title="Steve Milloy">Steve Milloy</a> • <a href="/wiki/Rick_Santorum" title="Rick Santorum">Rick Santorum</a> • <a href="/wiki/Christine_O%27Donnell" title="Christine O'Donnell">Christine O'Donnell</a> • <a href="/wiki/Larry_Craig" title="Larry Craig">Larry Craig</a> • <a href="/wiki/Mike_Bara" title="Mike Bara">Mike Bara</a> • <a href="/wiki/John_Hawkins" title="John Hawkins">John Hawkins</a> • <a href="/wiki/Alan_Keyes" title="Alan Keyes">Alan Keyes</a> • <a href="/wiki/Chris_Carter" title="Chris Carter">Chris Carter</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ted_Cruz" title="Ted Cruz">Ted Cruz</a> • <a href="/wiki/Bobby_Jindal" title="Bobby Jindal">Bobby Jindal</a> • <a href="/wiki/James_Ussher" title="James Ussher">James Ussher</a> • <a href="/wiki/Larry_Pratt" title="Larry Pratt">Larry Pratt</a> • <a href="/wiki/Bob_Dutko" title="Bob Dutko">Bob Dutko</a> • <a href="/wiki/Steve_Fuller" title="Steve Fuller">Steve Fuller</a> • <a href="/wiki/Denyse_O%27Leary" title="Denyse O'Leary">Denyse O'Leary</a> • <a href="/wiki/Mike_Huckabee" title="Mike Huckabee">Mike Huckabee</a> • <a href="/wiki/Babu_G._Ranganathan" title="Babu G. Ranganathan">Babu G. Ranganathan</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ben_Hobrink" title="Ben Hobrink">Ben Hobrink</a> • <a href="/wiki/Carl_Baugh" title="Carl Baugh">Carl Baugh</a> • <a href="/wiki/Humans_Are_Free" title="Humans Are Free">Humans Are Free</a> • <a href="/wiki/Mary_Lou_Bruner" title="Mary Lou Bruner">Mary Lou Bruner</a> • <a href="/wiki/Educate-yourself.org" title="Educate-yourself.org">Educate-yourself.org</a> • <a href="/wiki/Andrew_Schlafly" title="Andrew Schlafly">Andrew Schlafly</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ian_Paisley" title="Ian Paisley">Ian Paisley</a> • <a href="/wiki/VenomFangX" title="VenomFangX">VenomFangX</a> • <a href="/wiki/Todd_Akin" title="Todd Akin">Todd Akin</a> • <a href="/wiki/Paul_Broun" title="Paul Broun">Paul Broun</a> • <a href="/wiki/James_Manning" title="James Manning">James Manning</a> • <a href="/wiki/Mike_Pence" title="Mike Pence">Mike Pence</a> • <a href="/wiki/Shockofgod" title="Shockofgod">Shockofgod</a> • <a href="/wiki/Sye_Ten_Bruggencate" title="Sye Ten Bruggencate">Sye Ten Bruggencate</a> • <a href="/wiki/Brad_Stine" title="Brad Stine">Brad Stine</a> • <a href="/wiki/Charlton_Heston" title="Charlton Heston">Charlton Heston</a> • <a href="/wiki/Pat_Toomey" title="Pat Toomey">Pat Toomey</a> • <a href="/wiki/Josh_Axe" title="Josh Axe">Josh Axe</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ben_Carson" title="Ben Carson">Ben Carson</a> • <a href="/wiki/William_Dembski" title="William Dembski">William Dembski</a> • <a href="/wiki/Presents_Of_God_Ministry" title="Presents Of God Ministry">Presents Of God Ministry</a> • <a href="/wiki/Jim_Allister" title="Jim Allister">Jim Allister</a> • <a href="/wiki/Whale.to" title="Whale.to">Whale.to</a> • <a href="/wiki/Jonathan_Otto" title="Jonathan Otto">Jonathan Otto</a> • <a href="/wiki/Becky_Fischer" title="Becky Fischer">Becky Fischer</a> • <a href="/wiki/Roy_Moore" title="Roy Moore">Roy Moore</a> • <a href="/wiki/David_Wilcock" title="David Wilcock">David Wilcock</a> • <a href="/wiki/Jerry_Falwell_Sr." title="Jerry Falwell Sr.">Jerry Falwell Sr.</a> • <a href="/wiki/Mark_Dice" title="Mark Dice">Mark Dice</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ron_Paul" title="Ron Paul">Ron Paul</a> • <a href="/wiki/Sam_Brownback" title="Sam Brownback">Sam Brownback</a> • <a href="/wiki/Pat_Buchanan" title="Pat Buchanan">Pat Buchanan</a> • <a href="/wiki/Don_McLeroy" title="Don McLeroy">Don McLeroy</a> • <a href="/wiki/Marco_Rubio" title="Marco Rubio">Marco Rubio</a> • <a href="/wiki/Michele_Bachmann" title="Michele Bachmann">Michele Bachmann</a> • <a href="/wiki/Pat_Robertson" title="Pat Robertson">Pat Robertson</a> • <a href="/wiki/John_Hagee" title="John Hagee">John Hagee</a> • <a href="/wiki/Mary_Fallin" title="Mary Fallin">Mary Fallin</a> • <a href="/wiki/The_Vigilant_Christian" title="The Vigilant Christian">The Vigilant Christian</a> • <a href="/wiki/Betsy_DeVos" title="Betsy DeVos">Betsy DeVos</a> • <a href="/wiki/WND" title="WND">WND</a> • <a href="/wiki/Joseph_Farah" title="Joseph Farah">Joseph Farah</a> • <a href="/wiki/Media_Research_Center" title="Media Research Center">Media Research Center</a> • <a href="/wiki/Theodore_Beale" title="Theodore Beale">Theodore Beale</a> • <a href="/wiki/Encyclopedia_of_American_Loons" title="Encyclopedia of American Loons">Encyclopedia of American Loons</a> • <a href="/wiki/Got_Questions" title="Got Questions">Got Questions</a> • <a href="/wiki/R._L._Wysong" title="R. L. Wysong">R. L. Wysong</a> • <a href="/wiki/ProphecyFilm.com" title="ProphecyFilm.com">ProphecyFilm.com</a> • <a href="/wiki/Kent_Hovind" title="Kent Hovind">Kent Hovind</a> • <a href="/wiki/Steven_Anderson" title="Steven Anderson">Steven Anderson</a> • <a href="/wiki/Dennis_Prager" title="Dennis Prager">Dennis Prager</a> • <a href="/wiki/Bernard_d%27Abrera" title="Bernard d'Abrera">Bernard d'Abrera</a> • <a href="/wiki/Mohammad_Tawhidi" title="Mohammad Tawhidi">Mohammad Tawhidi</a> • <a href="/wiki/CJ_Pearson" title="CJ Pearson">CJ Pearson</a> • <a href="/wiki/Christian_Apologetics_and_Research_Ministry" title="Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry">Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry</a> • <a href="/wiki/Eric_Hovind" title="Eric Hovind">Eric Hovind</a> • <a href="/wiki/Cornelius_Van_Til" title="Cornelius Van Til">Cornelius Van Til</a> • <a href="/wiki/Frank_Turek" title="Frank Turek">Frank Turek</a> • <a href="/wiki/Sarah_Palin" title="Sarah Palin">Sarah Palin</a> • <a href="/wiki/William_Lane_Craig" title="William Lane Craig">William Lane Craig</a> • <a href="/wiki/Alex_Jones_(slovensky)" title="Alex Jones (slovensky)">Alex Jones (slovensky)</a> • <a href="/wiki/Charlie_Kirk" title="Charlie Kirk">Charlie Kirk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Owen_Benjamin" title="Owen Benjamin">Owen Benjamin</a> • <a href="/wiki/Steven_Crowder" title="Steven Crowder">Steven Crowder</a> • <a href="/wiki/Rick_Warren" title="Rick Warren">Rick Warren</a> • <a href="/wiki/Jerry_Falwell_Jr." title="Jerry Falwell Jr.">Jerry Falwell Jr.</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ted_Holden" title="Ted Holden">Ted Holden</a> • <a href="/wiki/Alex_Jones" title="Alex Jones">Alex Jones</a> • <a href="/wiki/E._Calvin_Beisner" title="E. Calvin Beisner">E. Calvin Beisner</a> • <a href="/wiki/Kate_Tieje" title="Kate Tieje">Kate Tieje</a> • <a href="/wiki/Michael_Denton" title="Michael Denton">Michael Denton</a> • <a href="/wiki/New_Independent_Fundamentalist_Baptist_Movement" title="New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Movement">New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Movement</a> • <a href="/wiki/Mark_Cahill" title="Mark Cahill">Mark Cahill</a> • <a href="/wiki/Jim_Inhofe" title="Jim Inhofe">Jim Inhofe</a> • <a href="/wiki/Gary_Birdsong" title="Gary Birdsong">Gary Birdsong</a> • <a href="/wiki/R._J._Rushdoony" title="R. J. Rushdoony">R. J. Rushdoony</a> • <a href="/wiki/Pat_Boone" title="Pat Boone">Pat Boone</a> • <a href="/wiki/The_Washington_Times" title="The Washington Times">The Washington Times</a> • <a href="/wiki/Canada_Free_Press" title="Canada Free Press">Canada Free Press</a> • <a href="/wiki/NewsBusters" title="NewsBusters">NewsBusters</a> • <a href="/wiki/Jimmy_Swaggart" title="Jimmy Swaggart">Jimmy Swaggart</a> • <a href="/wiki/Miroljub_Petrovi%C4%87" title="Miroljub Petrović">Miroljub Petrović</a> • <a href="/wiki/Marjorie_Taylor_Greene" title="Marjorie Taylor Greene">Marjorie Taylor Greene</a> • <a href="/wiki/Chuck_Colson" title="Chuck Colson">Chuck Colson</a> • <a href="/wiki/Stephen_E._Jones" title="Stephen E. Jones">Stephen E. Jones</a> • <a href="/wiki/Lew_Rockwell" title="Lew Rockwell">Lew Rockwell</a> • <a href="/wiki/Tom_Tancredo" title="Tom Tancredo">Tom Tancredo</a> • <a href="/wiki/John_Kasich" title="John Kasich">John Kasich</a> • <a href="/wiki/Gary_North" title="Gary North">Gary North</a> • <a href="/wiki/E._W._Jackson" title="E. W. Jackson">E. W. Jackson</a> • <a href="/wiki/Kevin_Stitt" title="Kevin Stitt">Kevin Stitt</a> • <a href="/wiki/Steve_Turley" title="Steve Turley">Steve Turley</a> • <a href="/wiki/Zachary_K._Hubbard" title="Zachary K. Hubbard">Zachary K. Hubbard</a> • <a href="/wiki/Conservapedia" title="Conservapedia">Conservapedia</a> • <a href="/wiki/Mike_Johnson" title="Mike Johnson">Mike Johnson</a> • <a href="/wiki/National_Rifle_Association" title="National Rifle Association">National Rifle Association</a> • <a href="/wiki/Butch_Hartman" title="Butch Hartman">Butch Hartman</a> • <a href="/wiki/Joshua_Feuerstein" title="Joshua Feuerstein">Joshua Feuerstein</a> • <a href="/wiki/Christopher_Rufo" title="Christopher Rufo">Christopher Rufo</a> • <a href="/wiki/Peter_Sweden" title="Peter Sweden">Peter Sweden</a> • <a href="/wiki/Alvin_Plantinga" title="Alvin Plantinga">Alvin Plantinga</a> • <a href="/wiki/Tucker_Carlson" title="Tucker Carlson">Tucker Carlson</a> • <a href="/wiki/Mission:_America" title="Mission: America">Mission: America</a> • <a href="/wiki/American_Thinker" title="American Thinker">American Thinker</a> • <a href="/wiki/Brandon_Tatum" title="Brandon Tatum">Brandon Tatum</a> • <a href="/wiki/Nick_Fuentes" title="Nick Fuentes">Nick Fuentes</a> • </td></tr> <tr> <td style="width:5%;">  </td> <td colspan="2" style="background:#000000; 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width:15%; text-align:right;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Discovery_Institute" title="Category:Discovery Institute"><span style="color:white; font-size:125%">Discovery Institute:</span></a></b> </td> <td style="background:#F2F2F2;"> <a href="/wiki/Teach_the_controversy" title="Teach the controversy">Teach the controversy</a> • <a href="/wiki/Of_Pandas_and_People" title="Of Pandas and People">Of Pandas and People</a> • <a href="/wiki/Wedge_Strategy" title="Wedge Strategy">Wedge Strategy</a> • <a href="/wiki/Text_of_The_Wedge_Strategy" title="Text of The Wedge Strategy">Text of The Wedge Strategy</a> • <a href="/wiki/Explore_Evolution" title="Explore Evolution">Explore Evolution</a> • <a href="/wiki/David_Berlinski" title="David Berlinski">David Berlinski</a> • <a href="/wiki/Biologic_Institute" title="Biologic Institute">Biologic Institute</a> • <a href="/wiki/Jonathan_Wells" title="Jonathan Wells">Jonathan Wells</a> • <a href="/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed" title="Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed">Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed</a> • <a href="/wiki/Michael_Egnor" title="Michael Egnor">Michael Egnor</a> • <a href="/wiki/Douglas_Axe" title="Douglas Axe">Douglas Axe</a> • <a href="/wiki/Academic_Freedom_Day" title="Academic Freedom Day">Academic Freedom Day</a> • <a href="/wiki/Casey_Luskin" title="Casey Luskin">Casey Luskin</a> • <a href="/wiki/What_is_intelligent_design%3F" title="What is intelligent design?">What is intelligent design?</a> • <a href="/wiki/Behe:_The_Edge_of_Evolution,_Interview" title="Behe: The Edge of Evolution, Interview">Behe: The Edge of Evolution, Interview</a> • <a href="/wiki/Science_and_Human_Origins" title="Science and Human Origins">Science and Human Origins</a> • <a href="/wiki/Fun:Wedgie_strategy" title="Fun:Wedgie strategy">Wedgie strategy</a> • <a href="/wiki/Project_Steve" title="Project Steve">Project Steve</a> • <a href="/wiki/BIO-Complexity" title="BIO-Complexity">BIO-Complexity</a> • <a href="/wiki/Texas_Board_of_Education" title="Texas Board of Education">Texas Board of Education</a> • <a href="/wiki/Richard_Weikart" title="Richard Weikart">Richard Weikart</a> • <a href="/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District" title="Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District">Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District</a> • <a href="/wiki/Human_exceptionalism" title="Human exceptionalism">Human exceptionalism</a> • <a href="/wiki/Darwin%27s_Predictions" title="Darwin's Predictions">Darwin's Predictions</a> • <a href="/wiki/Stephen_Meyer" title="Stephen Meyer">Stephen Meyer</a> • <a href="/wiki/Howard_Ahmanson" title="Howard Ahmanson">Howard Ahmanson</a> • <a href="/wiki/Melvin_Mulder" title="Melvin Mulder">Melvin Mulder</a> • <a href="/wiki/Lists_of_creationist_scientists" title="Lists of creationist scientists">Lists of creationist scientists</a> • <a href="/wiki/Discovery_Institute" title="Discovery Institute">Discovery Institute</a> • <a href="/wiki/Complex_Specified_Information" title="Complex Specified Information">Complex Specified Information</a> • <a href="/wiki/Michael_Behe" title="Michael Behe">Michael Behe</a> • <a href="/wiki/Phillip_Johnson" title="Phillip Johnson">Phillip Johnson</a> • <a href="/wiki/Joel_Brind" title="Joel Brind">Joel Brind</a> • <a href="/wiki/Non-materialist_neuroscience" title="Non-materialist neuroscience">Non-materialist neuroscience</a> • <a href="/wiki/Academic_Freedom_Act" title="Academic Freedom Act">Academic Freedom Act</a> • </td></tr> <tr> <td style="width:5%;">  </td> <td colspan="2" style="background:#000000; width:15%; text-align:right;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Answers_in_Genesis" title="Category:Answers in Genesis"><span style="color:white; font-size:125%">Answers in Genesis:</span></a></b> </td> <td style="background:#F2F2F2;"> <a href="/wiki/Answers_in_Genesis_Dawkins_interview_controversy" title="Answers in Genesis Dawkins interview controversy">Answers in Genesis Dawkins interview controversy</a> • <a href="/wiki/Bodie_Hodge" title="Bodie Hodge">Bodie Hodge</a> • <a href="/wiki/Andrew_Snelling" title="Andrew Snelling">Andrew Snelling</a> • <a href="/wiki/Affirmations_and_Denials_Essential_to_a_Consistent_Christian_(Biblical)_Worldview" title="Affirmations and Denials Essential to a Consistent Christian (Biblical) Worldview">Affirmations and Denials Essential to a Consistent Christian (Biblical) Worldview</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_in_Genesis/Creation_Ministries_International%27s_Statement_of_Faith" title="Answers in Genesis/Creation Ministries International's Statement of Faith">Answers in Genesis/Creation Ministries International's Statement of Faith</a> • <a href="/wiki/Hanzi_of_Genesis" title="Hanzi of Genesis">Hanzi of Genesis</a> • <a href="/wiki/Atheists_Outline_Their_Global_Religious_Agenda" title="Atheists Outline Their Global Religious Agenda">Atheists Outline Their Global Religious Agenda</a> • <a href="/wiki/12_Arguments_Evolutionists_Should_Avoid" title="12 Arguments Evolutionists Should Avoid">12 Arguments Evolutionists Should Avoid</a> • <a href="/wiki/Creation_Ministries_International" title="Creation Ministries International">Creation Ministries International</a> • <a href="/wiki/Lists_of_creationist_scientists" title="Lists of creationist scientists">Lists of creationist scientists</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal" title="Answers Research Journal">Answers Research Journal</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ark_Encounter" title="Ark Encounter">Ark Encounter</a> • <a href="/wiki/Jason_Lisle" title="Jason Lisle">Jason Lisle</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_in_Genesis" title="Answers in Genesis">Answers in Genesis</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ken_Ham" title="Ken Ham">Ken Ham</a> • <a href="/wiki/Creation_Museum" title="Creation Museum">Creation Museum</a> • <a href="/wiki/Buddy_Davis" title="Buddy Davis">Buddy Davis</a> • <a href="/wiki/Bill_Nye_debates_Ken_Ham" title="Bill Nye debates Ken Ham">Bill Nye debates Ken Ham</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ham_Hightail" title="Ham Hightail">Ham Hightail</a> • <a href="/wiki/Cedarville_University" title="Cedarville University">Cedarville University</a> • </td></tr> <tr> <td style="width:0%;">  </td> <td style="width:0%;">  </td> <td colspan="1" style="background:#000000; width:10%; text-align:right;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Answers_Research_Journal" title="Category:Answers Research Journal"><span style="color:white; font-size:125%">Answers Research Journal:</span></a></b> </td> <td style="background:#F2F2F2;"> <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal_volume_2" title="Answers Research Journal volume 2">Answers Research Journal volume 2</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal_volume_3" title="Answers Research Journal volume 3">Answers Research Journal volume 3</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal_volume_5" title="Answers Research Journal volume 5">Answers Research Journal volume 5</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal_volume_1" title="Answers Research Journal volume 1">Answers Research Journal volume 1</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal_volume_6" title="Answers Research Journal volume 6">Answers Research Journal volume 6</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal_volume_4" title="Answers Research Journal volume 4">Answers Research Journal volume 4</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal" title="Answers Research Journal">Answers Research Journal</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal_volume_7" title="Answers Research Journal volume 7">Answers Research Journal volume 7</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal_volume_8" title="Answers Research Journal volume 8">Answers Research Journal volume 8</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal_volume_9" title="Answers Research Journal volume 9">Answers Research Journal volume 9</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal_volume_10" title="Answers Research Journal volume 10">Answers Research Journal volume 10</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal_volume_11" title="Answers Research Journal volume 11">Answers Research Journal volume 11</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal_volume_12" title="Answers Research Journal volume 12">Answers Research Journal volume 12</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal_volume_13" title="Answers Research Journal volume 13">Answers Research Journal volume 13</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal_volume_14" title="Answers Research Journal volume 14">Answers Research Journal volume 14</a> • <a href="/wiki/Answers_Research_Journal_Volume_15" title="Answers Research Journal Volume 15">Answers Research Journal Volume 15</a> • </td></tr> <tr> <td style="width:5%;">  </td> <td colspan="2" style="background:#000000; width:15%; text-align:right;"><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Institute_for_Creation_Research" title="Category:Institute for Creation Research"><span style="color:white; font-size:125%">Institute for Creation Research:</span></a></b> </td> <td style="background:#F2F2F2;"> <a href="/wiki/Nathaniel_Jeanson" title="Nathaniel Jeanson">Nathaniel Jeanson</a> • <a href="/wiki/Jeffrey_Tomkins" title="Jeffrey Tomkins">Jeffrey Tomkins</a> • <a href="/wiki/Lawrence_Ford" title="Lawrence Ford">Lawrence Ford</a> • <a href="/wiki/Henry_Morris" title="Henry Morris">Henry Morris</a> • <a href="/wiki/Brian_Thomas" title="Brian Thomas">Brian Thomas</a> • <a href="/wiki/Duane_Gish" title="Duane Gish">Duane Gish</a> • <a href="/wiki/RATE" title="RATE">RATE</a> • <a href="/wiki/Your_Origins_Matter" title="Your Origins Matter">Your Origins Matter</a> • <a href="/wiki/John_Morris" title="John Morris">John Morris</a> • <a href="/wiki/Jerry_Bergman" title="Jerry Bergman">Jerry Bergman</a> • <a href="/wiki/San_Diego_Christian_College" title="San Diego Christian College">San Diego Christian College</a> • <a href="/wiki/Timothy_LaHaye" title="Timothy LaHaye">Timothy LaHaye</a> • <a href="/wiki/Russell_Humphreys" title="Russell Humphreys">Russell Humphreys</a> • <a href="/wiki/Lists_of_creationist_scientists" title="Lists of creationist scientists">Lists of creationist scientists</a> • <a href="/wiki/Transnational_Association_of_Christian_Colleges_and_Schools" title="Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools">Transnational Association of Christian 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