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But a points deduction seems highly unlikely – especially since the English national team were actually permitted to wear similar armbands featuring poppies for a game ahead of Armistice Day in 2011 against Spain.</p> <p>If England and Scotland challenged any poppy sanctions with the Court of Arbitration for Sport, they could have a strong chance of winning the case, citing that precedent.</p> <div class="inline-block inline-block-related-single inline-block-left" data-nid="/sport/football/international/fifa-poppy-ban-england-vs-scotland-1999-didnt-wear-poppies-fa-a7395011.html"><a href="/web/20161107125815/http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/fifa-poppy-ban-england-vs-scotland-1999-didnt-wear-poppies-fa-a7395011.html"><img src="/web/20161107125815im_/http://www.independent.co.uk/s3/files/styles/readmore_card/public/thumbnails/image/2016/11/03/10/colin-hendry-alan-shearer-17.jpg"/><div class="content"> <div class="context-capsule">Read more</div> <h2>England didn't wear poppies in 1999, so why the calls to defy Fifa?</h2> </div> </a></div> <p>Fifa’s tougher stance seems to stem in part from a change in personnel since 2011, with president and Gianni Infantino and Senegalese secretary general Fatma Samba Diouf Samoura looking for consistency. But the governing body is still likely to impose a fine.</p> <p>“It is not really my ambition to punish anybody,” Samoura said at Wembley ahead of a meeting of the International Football Association Board, which features the English and Scottish FAs. “They [the FA and SFA] just have to recognize themselves that they are part of the rules of the game and they should be ready to face any kind of sanctions. They know better than me because they made the law.”</p> <p>The FA did, indeed, propose the law outlawing “political, religious or personal slogans” on “equipment”. It also inadvertently contributed to this week’s saga by checking with Fifa that wearing armbands was acceptable – thinking they would say "yes".</p> <div class="dnd-widget-wrapper context-sdl_editor_representation type-video"><div class="dnd-atom-rendered"><div class="image"> <div class="bc_container"> <video id="5193612082001" data-account="624246174001" data-player="2d3d4a83-ba40-464e-9bfb-2804b076bf67" data-embed="default" data-video-id="5193612082001" class="video-js" controls=""></video><script src="//web.archive.org/web/20161107125815js_/http://players.brightcove.net/624246174001/2d3d4a83-ba40-464e-9bfb-2804b076bf67_default/index.min.js"></script></div>  </div></div><div class="dnd-caption-wrapper">Theresa May: Fifa ban on poppies outrageous</div></div> <p>The FA thought it was doing the right thing when, as one of the guardians of the laws of the game as a member of the International Football Association Board, it made that check call several weeks ago. 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