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It doesn't have a language code, and the article states it's a jargon rather than an independent language. I'm not super familiar with this variety, so you may know better, but it looked to me that this content would be better maintained there until sizeable enough to be spun out. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">— <a href="/wiki/User:Wugapodes" title="User:Wugapodes">Wug·</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wugapodes" title="User talk:Wugapodes">a·po·des</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Adurgari#c-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T03:21:00.000Z-Merge" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:21, 4 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T03:21:00.000Z-Merge"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-01-04T03:21:00.000Z","author":"Wugapodes","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T03:21:00.000Z-Merge","replies":["c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T03:38:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T03:21:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Wug\u00b7"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T03:21:00.000Z-Merge"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T03:38:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T03:21:00.000Z"></span>I'm not super familiar with this either, but from what I've seen so far it appears that: 1) not much is known about it and it may well be that not much more will ever be known (this lends support to a merge proposal in principle), 2) some vague mentions have been made of a putative relationship to Kohistani (I don't know which Kohistani is meant, but even if we knew we'd need very solid evidence before merging there). I have no issue with this being a standalone article (I think secret languages, if sufficiently unique, should be inherently notable), and I don't see a suitable merge target at present. Of course, if at some point in the future a proper article is created about the <a href="/wiki/Shaikh_Mohammadi" class="mw-redirect" title="Shaikh Mohammadi">Shaikh Mohammadi</a> (and not just a fork-out of the one paragraph we currently have on that redirect's target), then a merge there would make sense. – <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uanfala" title="User talk:Uanfala">Uanfala (talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Adurgari#c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T03:38:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T03:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:38, 4 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T03:38:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T03:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-01-04T03:38:00.000Z","author":"Uanfala","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T03:38:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T03:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T15:01:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-04T03:38:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T03:38:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T03:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T15:01:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-04T03:38:00.000Z"></span>I'll let it be then, thanks! <span style="white-space: nowrap;">— <a href="/wiki/User:Wugapodes" title="User:Wugapodes">Wug·</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wugapodes" title="User talk:Wugapodes">a·po·des</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Adurgari#c-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T15:01:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-04T03:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:01, 4 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T15:01:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-04T03:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-01-04T15:01:00.000Z","author":"Wugapodes","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T15:01:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-04T03:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T15:01:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Wug\u00b7"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T15:01:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-04T03:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T15:01:00.000Z"></span>A heads up, <a href="/wiki/User:Wugapodes" title="User:Wugapodes">Wugapodes</a>, about the section immediately below. The moral is that it's never a good idea to boldly merge or split articles based solely on what wikipedia says about the topics without checking the sources, and it's almost never a good idea to do so based only on other tertiary texts. – <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uanfala" title="User talk:Uanfala">Uanfala (talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Adurgari#c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T15:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 4 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T15:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z","author":"Uanfala","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T15:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T01:30:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-04T15:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T01:30:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z"></span>I disagree with your moral since (1) readers still get to the same content through the same links (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRESERVE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRESERVE">WP:PRESERVE</a>), (2) it's <a href="http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/ReversibleChange" class="extiw" title="meatball:ReversibleChange">easily reversed</a> if someone disagrees or shows it's in error, and (3) draws attention to articles in need of it from people with knowledge and interest (See <a href="http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/PageChurn" class="extiw" title="meatball:PageChurn">meatball:PageChurn</a>). It's not like there's any harm and clearly the article has benefited from the attention, so I'll continue to follow <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">WP:BRD</a> since it works fine. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">— <a href="/wiki/User:Wugapodes" title="User:Wugapodes">Wug·</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wugapodes" title="User talk:Wugapodes">a·po·des</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Adurgari#c-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T01:30:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 5 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T01:30:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-01-05T01:30:00.000Z","author":"Wugapodes","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T01:30:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Uanfala-2020-01-05T01:54:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T01:30:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Wug\u00b7"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T01:30:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Uanfala-2020-01-05T01:54:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T01:30:00.000Z"></span>Sorry but what you appear to be saying is that making a mess was a good idea because after it eventually got cleaned up everything got nicer than before. And the fact that this particular mess got clean up was a stroke of luck, most other articles about smaller languages don't really have any watchers. Maybe what happened here – the merging of two articles that had nothing to do with each other – is an extreme example, but in any number of cases it's a terrible idea to be making big changes to the topic structure without doing at least some of the background reading first. – <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uanfala" title="User talk:Uanfala">Uanfala (talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Adurgari#c-Uanfala-2020-01-05T01:54:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T01:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:54, 5 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Uanfala-2020-01-05T01:54:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T01:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-01-05T01:54:00.000Z","author":"Uanfala","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Uanfala-2020-01-05T01:54:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T01:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T11:30:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-05T01:54:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Uanfala-2020-01-05T01:54:00.000Z-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T01:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T11:30:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-05T01:54:00.000Z"></span>I think you and I place different value or emphasis on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLD</a>. If you have further suggestions for the article feel free to leave them here; if you have problems with me, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wugapodes" title="User talk:Wugapodes">my user talk page</a> is a more appropriate place to raise concerns. For what it's worth, I like this thought from your user page <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">If you think of yourself as efficient, chances are others will see you as sloppy. Conversely, if you expect people to be careful, you'll most likely be seen as a curmudgeon.</q> and perhaps we can both reflect on it. Thanks for being the R in BRD. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">— <a href="/wiki/User:Wugapodes" title="User:Wugapodes">Wug·</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wugapodes" title="User talk:Wugapodes">a·po·des</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Adurgari#c-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T11:30:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-05T01:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:30, 5 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T11:30:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-05T01:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-01-05T11:30:00.000Z","author":"Wugapodes","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T11:30:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-05T01:54:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Wug\u00b7"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wugapodes-2020-01-05T11:30:00.000Z-Uanfala-2020-01-05T01:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-The_Kohistani_connection-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-The_Kohistani_connection"],"text":"The Kohistani connection","linkableTitle":"The Kohistani connection"}--><h2 id="The_Kohistani_connection" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Kohistani_connection-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Kohistani_connection-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z"></span>The Kohistani connection<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Kohistani_connection-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Adurgari&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: The Kohistani connection"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-The_Kohistani_connection-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-The_Kohistani_connection"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-The_Kohistani_connection","timestamp":"2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-The_Kohistani_connection-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-The_Kohistani_connection"],"text":"The Kohistani connection","linkableTitle":"The Kohistani connection"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-The_Kohistani_connection"></span>I've just removed the mention of the purported similarity to Kohistani from the article. It was sourced to David Phillips' 2001 encyclopedia <i>Peoples on the Move: Introducing the Nomads of the World</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc=y&id=54gyRnhIugkC&q=adurgari#v=snippet&q=adurgari&f=false">[1]</a>, which states that Adurgari <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">resembles Kohistani in Pakistan</q>, but this is almost certainly a misinterpretation of the following claim in Olesen's 1987 paper: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">a detailed analysis of this language would perhaps, indicate the predominance of a particular ethnic group, such as the Kohistāni (of Parwān), among the Sheikh Mohammadi.</q> The rub is that <a href="/wiki/Parwan" class="mw-redirect" title="Parwan">Parwan</a> is in Afghanistan and has nothing to do with Pakistani Kohistan (where <a href="/wiki/Indus_Kohistani" title="Indus Kohistani">the language most commonly known as "Kohistani"</a> is spoken). I'm not quite sure what to make of this statement, maybe it suggest some language of Parwan (like Pashayi) as a source of the vocabulary? Rao 1995 gives five words in the language, and judging from her footnotes, two of these are from Arabic/Persian, while there's one word each with a parallel in <a href="/wiki/Magati" class="mw-disambig" title="Magati">Magati</a> and in European Romani. – <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uanfala" title="User talk:Uanfala">Uanfala (talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Adurgari#c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-The_Kohistani_connection" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 4 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-The_Kohistani_connection"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Adurgari&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Sources"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Sources-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-Sources"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-Sources","timestamp":"2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Sources-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-Sources"],"text":"Sources","linkableTitle":"Sources"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-Sources"></span>For the benefit of the future generations who will attempt to expand the article: The first-hand sources on the language so far appear to be the following: </p> <ul><li><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFOlesen1977" class="citation book cs1">Olesen, Asta (1977). <i>Fra kaste til pjalteproletariat? : etnisk erhvervsspecialisering i Østafghanistan, belyst ved udviklingen i kornrenseres, sigtemageres og småhandelsfolks vilkår</i>. Århus: Univ. Institut for etnografi og socialantropologie.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=Fra+kaste+til+pjalteproletariat%3F+%3A+etnisk+erhvervsspecialisering+i+%C3%98stafghanistan%2C+belyst+ved+udviklingen+i+kornrenseres%2C+sigtemageres+og+sm%C3%A5handelsfolks+vilk%C3%A5r&rft.place=%C3%85rhus&rft.pub=Univ.+Institut+for+etnografi+og+socialantropologie&rft.date=1977&rft.aulast=Olesen&rft.aufirst=Asta&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AAdurgari" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFAllan1978" class="citation thesis cs1">Allan, Nigel John Roger (1978). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://search.proquest.com/docview/302899559/9FDEB90DFE5D4FD0PQ/1"><i>Men and Crops in the Central Hindukush</i></a> (Thesis). New York: Syracuse University.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adissertation&rft.title=Men+and+Crops+in+the+Central+Hindukush.&rft.inst=Syracuse+University&rft.date=1978&rft.aulast=Allan&rft.aufirst=Nigel+John+Roger&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.proquest.com%2Fdocview%2F302899559%2F9FDEB90DFE5D4FD0PQ%2F1&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AAdurgari" class="Z3988"></span> <span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment"><code class="cs1-code">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_thesis" title="Template:Cite thesis">cite thesis</a>}}</code>: </span><span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment">Invalid <code class="cs1-code">|ref=harv</code> (<a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#invalid_param_val" title="Help:CS1 errors">help</a>)</span></li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFOlesen1987" class="citation book cs1">Olesen, Asta (1987). "Peddling in East Afghanistan: Adaptive Strategies of the Peripatetic Sheikh Mohammadi". In Rao, Aparna (ed.). <i>In The Other Nomads: Peripatetic Minorities in Cross-Cultural Perspective</i>. Cologne: Böhlau. pp. 35–63. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/3-412-08085-3" title="Special:BookSources/3-412-08085-3"><bdi>3-412-08085-3</bdi></a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=bookitem&rft.atitle=Peddling+in+East+Afghanistan%3A+Adaptive+Strategies+of+the+Peripatetic+Sheikh+Mohammadi&rft.btitle=In+The+Other+Nomads%3A+Peripatetic+Minorities+in+Cross-Cultural+Perspective&rft.place=Cologne&rft.pages=35-63&rft.pub=B%C3%B6hlau&rft.date=1987&rft.isbn=3-412-08085-3&rft.aulast=Olesen&rft.aufirst=Asta&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AAdurgari" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFRao1995" class="citation journal cs1">Rao, Aparna (1995). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015077550260;view=1up;seq=11">"Marginality and language use: the example of peripatetics in Afghanistan"</a>. <i>Journal of the Gypsy Lore Society</i>. <b>5</b> (2): 69–95.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.jtitle=Journal+of+the+Gypsy+Lore+Society&rft.atitle=Marginality+and+language+use%3A+the+example+of+peripatetics+in+Afghanistan&rft.volume=5&rft.issue=2&rft.pages=69-95&rft.date=1995&rft.aulast=Rao&rft.aufirst=Aparna&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fbabel.hathitrust.org%2Fcgi%2Fpt%3Fid%3Dmdp.39015077550260%3Bview%3D1up%3Bseq%3D11&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AAdurgari" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul> <p>I don't have access to the first two, #3 had a very brief mention, and #4 has about half a page. Additionally, Pstrusinska and Orywal have written on the topic, but as far as I've been able to tell, their work is all second-hand. – <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uanfala" title="User talk:Uanfala">Uanfala (talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Adurgari#c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-Sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 4 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-Sources"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z","author":"Uanfala","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-Sources","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Uanfala-2020-01-04T22:31:00.000Z-Sources"></span> </p> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.eqiad.main‐5dc468848‐9dwlq Cached time: 20241123043658 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1, vary‐revision‐id] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.012 seconds CPU time usage: 0.277 seconds Real time usage: 0.355 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 522/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 28997/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 1152/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 10/100 Expensive parser function count: 7/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 27287/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.199/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 4059186/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 303.956 1 -total 61.01% 185.444 1 Template:WikiProject_banner_shell 32.85% 99.841 1 Template:WikiProject_Afghanistan 26.30% 79.929 2 Template:Cite_book 5.39% 16.395 3 Template:Tq 4.09% 12.423 1 Template:WikiProject_Languages 2.41% 7.319 1 Template:Cite_thesis 2.34% 7.102 3 Template:Encodefirst 1.82% 5.545 1 Template:Re 1.80% 5.458 1 Template:Cite_journal --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:idhash:31125956-0!canonical and timestamp 20241123043658 and revision id 1198053352. 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