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title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Glossary">Glossary</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/FAQ" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/FAQ">FAQ</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Function_model" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Function model">Function model</a></li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Updates" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Updates">Updates</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia" title="Global message delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia">subscribe</a>)</li></ul></td> </tr><tr><th class="sidebar-heading"> Development plan</th></tr><tr><td class="sidebar-content plainlist" style="text-align: left"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Summary" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Summary">Summary</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Name" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Name">Name</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Goals" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Goals">Goals</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Organization" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Organization">Organization</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Requirements" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Requirements">Requirements</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Architecture" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Architecture">Architecture</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Components" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Components">Components</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Tasks" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Tasks">Tasks</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Phases" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Phases">Implementation phases</a></li> <li>(<a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Plan" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Plan">single page version</a> of all above)</li></ul></td> </tr><tr><th class="sidebar-heading"> Notes, drafts, discussions</th></tr><tr><td class="sidebar-content plainlist" style="text-align: left"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Notes" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Notes">Overview of notes</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Pre-generic_function_model" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Pre-generic function model">Pre-generic function model</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Object_creation_requirements" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Object creation requirements">Object creation requirements</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/First_evaluation_engine" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/First evaluation engine">First evaluation engine</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Function_evaluator_call" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Function evaluator call">Function evaluator call</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Dates" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Dates">Representation of dates</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Representation_of_languages" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Representation of languages">Representation of languages</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Representation_of_errors" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Representation of errors">Representation of errors</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Error_messages_on_ZObjects" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Error messages on ZObjects">Error messages on ZObjects</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Reserved_ZIDs" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Reserved ZIDs">Reserved ZIDs</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Canonical_and_normal" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Canonical and normal">Canonical and normal</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/User_stories" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/User stories">User stories</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/NLG_system_architecture_proposal" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/NLG system architecture proposal">NLG system architecture proposal</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Template_Language_for_Wikifunctions" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Template Language for Wikifunctions">Template Language for Wikifunctions</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Wikidata_Abstract_Representation" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Wikidata Abstract Representation">Wikidata Abstract Representation</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Early_discussion_topics" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Early discussion topics">Discussion topics</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/External_outreach" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/External outreach">External outreach</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Ideas" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Ideas">Ideas</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Licensing_discussion" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Licensing discussion">Licensing discussion</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Related_and_previous_work" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Related and previous work">Related and previous work</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Related_and_previous_work/Natural_language_generation" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Related and previous work/Natural language generation">Natural language generation</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Related_and_previous_work/Theories_of_semantics_and_meaning_representations" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Related and previous work/Theories of semantics and meaning representations">Theories of semantics and meaning representations</a></li> <li>– <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Related_and_previous_work/Workshops" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Related and previous work/Workshops">Workshops</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/ZObject" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/ZObject">ZObject</a></li></ul></td> </tr><tr><th class="sidebar-heading"> Examples & mockups</th></tr><tr><td class="sidebar-content plainlist" style="text-align: left"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Examples" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Examples">Examples</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Early_function_examples" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Early function examples">Examples of functions</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Early_mockups" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Early mockups">Mockups</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Examples/Jupiter" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Examples/Jupiter">Example: Jupiter</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Examples/Function_composition" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Examples/Function composition">Examples: Function composition</a></li></ul></td> </tr><tr><th class="sidebar-heading"> Data tools</th></tr><tr><td class="sidebar-content plainlist" style="text-align: left"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Data" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Data">Data</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Lexicographical_coverage" class="extiw" title="d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Lexicographical coverage">Lexicographical coverage</a></li></ul></td> </tr><tr><th class="sidebar-heading"> Historical</th></tr><tr><td class="sidebar-content plainlist" style="text-align: left"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Papers,_press,_and_videos" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Papers, press, and videos">Papers, press, and videos</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Historic_proposal" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Historic proposal">Historic proposal</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Wiki_of_functions_naming_contest" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Wiki of functions naming contest">Naming contest</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Wikifunctions_logo_concept" title="Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Wikifunctions logo concept">Logo contest</a></li> <li><div style="margin:0 .5em;float:right;margin-right:0"><bdi lang="en" dir="ltr" class="plainlinks" style="font-size:smaller;"><a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate/page-Template:Abstract_Wikipedia_navbox&language=en&action=page"><span style="margin:1px;padding:0 1px"><span class="mw-default-size mw-valign-middle" typeof="mw:File"><span title="Translate"><img alt="Translate" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Globe_of_letters.png/16px-Globe_of_letters.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Globe_of_letters.png/25px-Globe_of_letters.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Globe_of_letters.png/32px-Globe_of_letters.png 2x" data-file-width="144" data-file-height="116"/></span></span></span></a></bdi></div><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Category:Abstract_Wikipedia/Archives" title="Special:MyLanguage/Category:Abstract Wikipedia/Archives">Archives</a></li></ul></td> </tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Outdated?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Outdated?-20231003041700"><span id="Outdated.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Outdated?-20231003041700"></span>Outdated?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Outdated?-20231003041700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Outdated?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Sannita_(WMF)-20240208151700-Finell-20231003041700">10 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Finell-20231003041700-Outdated?"></span>It seems to me that a content page entitled "<a href="/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia" title="Abstract Wikipedia">Abstract Wikipedia</a>" should include the current state of the project. The page describes the project schedule, but does not describe what been done and what remains to be done. For example, did the "Abstract Wikipedia part of the project ... start in roughly 2022"? Did the Wikifunctions Beta launch in 2022? <a href="/wiki/User:Finell" title="User:Finell">Finell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Finell" title="User talk:Finell">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#c-Finell-20231003041700-Outdated?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:17, 3 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Finell-20231003041700-Outdated?"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Finell-20231003041700-Outdated?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sannita_(WMF)-20240208151700-Finell-20231003041700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Finell" title="User:Finell">Finell</a> Thanks for reporting this, and sorry for taking this long to answer. Yes, the main page needs to be updated, and we will do it soon. We just have been caught in a lot of work behind the scenes since the launch of the project. <a href="/wiki/User:Sannita_(WMF)" title="User:Sannita (WMF)">Sannita (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sannita_(WMF)" title="User talk:Sannita (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#c-Sannita_(WMF)-20240208151700-Finell-20231003041700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sannita_(WMF)-20240208151700-Finell-20231003041700"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sannita_(WMF)-20240208151700-Finell-20231003041700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Suggestions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suggestions-20240102173400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suggestions-20240102173400"></span>Suggestions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suggestions-20240102173400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Suggestions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Username142857-20240102173400-Suggestions">11 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Username142857-20240102173400-Suggestions"></span>I have some criticisms. In <a href="/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Examples" title="Abstract Wikipedia/Examples">this article</a>, these examples are given: </p><p>subclassification_string_from_n_n_language(n_wikipedia, n_encyclopedia, English) </p><p>English : Wikipedias are encyclopedias. </p><p>subclassification_string_from_n_n_language(n_wikipedia, n_encyclopedia, German) </p><p>German : Wikipedien sind Enzyklopädien. </p><p>Subclassification(Wikipedia, Encyclopedia) </p><p>English : Wikipedias are encyclopedias. </p><p>German : Wikipedien sind Enzyklopädien. </p><p>However, what bothers me is the claim that this is language-neutral, when it's so obviously Anglocentric. If it were German-centred instead, for example, the code would look like this instead: </p><p>Zeichenfolge_für_die_Unterklassifizierung_von_n_n_Sprache(n_Wikipedia, n_Enzyklopädie, Englisch) </p><p>Zeichenfolge_für_die_Unterklassifizierung_von_n_n_Sprache(n_Wikipedia, n_Enzyklopädie, Deutsch) </p><p>Unterklassifikation(Wikipedia, Enzyklopädie) (thanks, google translate!) </p><p>So, what's the point of lying? Also, I think that the functions should be stratified (to avoid nasty things like self-referential paradoxes), like predicate logic or set theory. A predicate is a special case of a function whose output is T or F. Logical operators are similar in this regard, except that the input is also T or F. </p><p>If we're mirroring predicate logic, then we could instead have: </p><p>Encyclopedia(Wikipedia) or Enzyklopädie(Wikipedia) </p><p>Similarly, the set {x|Encyclopedia(x)} (or {x|Enzyklopädie(x)}) can be defined. </p><p>Quantifiers should also be included, so that one could state that for example, all humans are mortal. Now, I have an idea for stratification (if you dislike it, feel free to modify it- this is purely illustrative. If I'm unclear, feel free to ask for clarification- I'm $h!t at explaining things :)) </p><p>0th order: Objects </p><p>1st order: Functions (incl. predicates) between objects (we'll state that these functions quantify over objects, in analogy to predicates in predicate logic), statements that only quantify over objects, and sets defined by said functions. All of these collectively will be referred to as first-order objects. </p><p>2nd order: Functions between first-order objects (but no higher), statements quantifying over first order objects (but no higher), and sets defined by said functions. All of these collectively will be referred to as second-order objects. </p><p>3rd order: Functions between second-order objects (but no higher), statements quantifying over second-order objects (but no higher), and sets defined by said functions. All of these collectively will be referred to as third-order objects. </p><p>etc. </p><p>Transfinite induction is obvious: </p><p>ω-order: Functions between nth-order objects (for n<ω), statements quantifying over nth-order objects (for n<ω), and sets defined by said functions. All of these collectively will be referred to as ω-order objects. (this can be applied to other limit ordinals too) </p><p>All functions, statements, and sets will be assigned the lowest ordinals consistent with the definitions provided <a href="/wiki/User:Username142857" title="User:Username142857">Username142857</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Username142857" title="User talk:Username142857">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#c-Username142857-20240102173400-Suggestions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:34, 2 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Username142857-20240102173400-Suggestions"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Username142857-20240102173400-Suggestions"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Change_project_name_to_"Machine_Wikipedia"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Change_project_name_to_"Machine_Wikipedia"-20241107123300"><span id="Change_project_name_to_.22Machine_Wikipedia.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Change_project_name_to_"Machine_Wikipedia"-20241107123300"></span>Change project name to "Machine Wikipedia"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Change_project_name_to_"Machine_Wikipedia"-20241107123300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Change project name to "Machine Wikipedia""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241117065900-Feeglgeef-20241117062700">24 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>6 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241107123300-Change_project_name_to_"Machine_Wikipedia""></span>Hi, according to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)#Creating_"Machine_Wikipedia"_as_an_edition_of_Wikipedia" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)">this discussion</a>, I propose to change this project name to "Machine Wikipedia" to match Tim Berners-Lee's vocabulary proposal about Web 3.0 and making the web machine-readable. </p><p>I also propose to make fully textual articles called "Machine articles" written in RDF, like other editions of Wikipedia, these fully textual articles can be filled by humans and AI (by NLP). </p><p>The implementation of "Machine Wikipedia" is very fast and bots and machines can benefit from this edition very much. Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:Hooman_Mallahzadeh" title="User:Hooman Mallahzadeh">Hooman Mallahzadeh</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hooman_Mallahzadeh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Hooman Mallahzadeh (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#c-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241107123300-Change_project_name_to_"Machine_Wikipedia"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241107123300-Change_project_name_to_"Machine_Wikipedia""><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241107123300-Change_project_name_to_"Machine_Wikipedia""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Feeglgeef-20241117005100-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241107123300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DVrandecic_(WMF)" title="User:DVrandecic (WMF)">DVrandecic (WMF)</a>:</span> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Feeglgeef&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Feeglgeef (page does not exist)">Feeglgeef</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Feeglgeef&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Feeglgeef (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#c-Feeglgeef-20241117005100-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241107123300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Feeglgeef-20241117005100-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241107123300"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Feeglgeef-20241117005100-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241107123300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Feeglgeef-20241117005900-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241107123300"></span>I would just like to add here that this project is more about giving more humans access to more knowledge, not giving robots a way to get knowledge. I'm also not quite sure what you mean by "machine-readable". All the AI scraper bots (see <a href="https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/wf:Status_updates/2024-09-13#Site_reliability_issues" class="extiw" title="f:wf:Status updates/2024-09-13">f:wf:Status_updates/2024-09-13#Site_reliability_issues</a> for <i>our own</i> struggles with this) already can read and comprehend (to some capacity) all of the Wikimedia projects. "Abstract" more accurately describes the end goal of the project, being able to generate articles from every language in an Abstract language, and any impact on AI/machine use of Wikipedia is not really the goal. We plan to use Wikidata based objects, instead of RDF for the generation of content, which you can read more about at <a href="https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/wf:Status_updates/2024-10-17" class="extiw" title="f:wf:Status updates/2024-10-17">f:wf:Status_updates/2024-10-17</a>. Generally, the Wikimedia community is skeptical about AI involvement in content creation; this project is not intended to change that. Thanks! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Feeglgeef&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Feeglgeef (page does not exist)">Feeglgeef</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Feeglgeef&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Feeglgeef (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#c-Feeglgeef-20241117005900-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241107123300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Feeglgeef-20241117005900-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241107123300"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Feeglgeef-20241117005900-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241107123300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241117043600-Feeglgeef-20241117005900"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Feeglgeef&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Feeglgeef (page does not exist)">Feeglgeef</a> Besides its benefits for chatbots and machines, encoding editions of Wikipedia to RDF can help to make some symmetry or harmony between existing human-readable Wikipedias.</dd> <dd>For example: If English Wikipedia lacks some data about Steve Jobs (for example his father name), but French Wikipedia has, we can detect that deficiency of English edition by using "Machine Wikipedia" because after encoding process of English edition to RDF, the result lacks this data. Then we can alarm editors of English edition to add a sentence for that from the sentence existing in French.</dd> <dd>I should note that Machine Wikipedia can be an accumulation of all human-readable Wikipedia (English, French etc.) containing all its data, but without any redundant information. <a href="/wiki/User:Hooman_Mallahzadeh" title="User:Hooman Mallahzadeh">Hooman Mallahzadeh</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hooman_Mallahzadeh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Hooman Mallahzadeh (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#c-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241117043600-Feeglgeef-20241117005900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:36, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241117043600-Feeglgeef-20241117005900"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241117043600-Feeglgeef-20241117005900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Feeglgeef-20241117062700-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241117043600"></span>Actually, this problem would really be fixed by Abstract Wikipedia. The ideal ending for the project is for every Wikipedia to disappear in favor of one Abstract one, where <a href="https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/" class="extiw" title="f:">f:</a> code will be used to convert to a user's language. An RDF Wiki, separate from this, might be useful, but I would redirect you to <a href="/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages" title="Requests for new languages">Requests for new languages</a>. You can create a proposal there. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Feeglgeef&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Feeglgeef (page does not exist)">Feeglgeef</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Feeglgeef&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Feeglgeef (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#c-Feeglgeef-20241117062700-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241117043600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Feeglgeef-20241117062700-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241117043600"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Feeglgeef-20241117062700-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241117043600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hooman_Mallahzadeh-20241117065900-Feeglgeef-20241117062700"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Feeglgeef&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Feeglgeef (page does not exist)">Feeglgeef</a> I proposed the idea <a href="/wiki/Machine_Wikipedia" title="Machine Wikipedia">here</a>. Please inspect that. 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