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class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Criticism"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Criticism</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Criticism-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Dickens" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Dickens"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>Dickens</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Dickens-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Picture" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Picture"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>Picture</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Picture-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Iran_?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Iran_?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>Iran ?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Iran_?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Traditional_decapitation_methods?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Traditional_decapitation_methods?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Traditional decapitation methods?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Traditional_decapitation_methods?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Anecdotal?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Anecdotal?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Anecdotal?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Anecdotal?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-WHO_definition" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#WHO_definition"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>WHO definition</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-WHO_definition-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"Almost"_always_fatal?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"Almost"_always_fatal?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>"Almost" always fatal?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-"Almost"_always_fatal?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-redirects" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#redirects"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>redirects</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-redirects-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Beheading_in_the_Roman_Empire" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Beheading_in_the_Roman_Empire"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Beheading in the Roman Empire</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Beheading_in_the_Roman_Empire-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-More_gruesome_photos_displayed" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#More_gruesome_photos_displayed"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>More gruesome photos displayed</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 comments</span> <ul id="toc-More_gruesome_photos_displayed-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Request_for_Comments:_Graphic_image_inclusion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Request_for_Comments:_Graphic_image_inclusion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Request for Comments: Graphic image inclusion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Request_for_Comments:_Graphic_image_inclusion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Sources" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sources"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Sources</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Sources-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:JackHensley.PNG" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:JackHensley.PNG"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Fair use rationale for Image:JackHensley.PNG</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:JackHensley.PNG-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Terrosist_Website_(BEHEADING_WARNING_GRAPHIC)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Terrosist_Website_(BEHEADING_WARNING_GRAPHIC)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Terrosist Website (BEHEADING WARNING GRAPHIC)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Terrosist_Website_(BEHEADING_WARNING_GRAPHIC)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Liberation_/_Occupation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Liberation_/_Occupation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Liberation / Occupation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Liberation_/_Occupation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Not_exactly_alphabetical_order." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Not_exactly_alphabetical_order."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Not exactly alphabetical order.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Not_exactly_alphabetical_order.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Fallbeil" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Fallbeil"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Fallbeil</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Fallbeil-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Famous_people_who_have_been_beheaded?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Famous_people_who_have_been_beheaded?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Famous people who have been beheaded?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Famous_people_who_have_been_beheaded?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Blushing_after_beheading" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Blushing_after_beheading"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Blushing after beheading</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Blushing_after_beheading-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Merge_from_Cephalectomy" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Merge_from_Cephalectomy"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Merge from Cephalectomy</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Merge_from_Cephalectomy-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Possible_photo" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Possible_photo"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>Possible photo</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Possible_photo-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"Shogun"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"Shogun""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>"Shogun"</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-"Shogun"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Link_to_the_"East_London_Decapitator"?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Link_to_the_"East_London_Decapitator"?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Link to the "East London Decapitator"?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Link_to_the_"East_London_Decapitator"?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Russian_example" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Russian_example"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Russian example</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Russian_example-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Removal_of_part_of_a_section_on_decapitation_in_Iraq" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Removal_of_part_of_a_section_on_decapitation_in_Iraq"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Removal of part of a section on decapitation in Iraq</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Removal_of_part_of_a_section_on_decapitation_in_Iraq-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Frisia" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Frisia"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>Frisia</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Frisia-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-History:Japan" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#History:Japan"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>History:Japan</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-History:Japan-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Celts" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Celts"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Celts</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Celts-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-never_reverted_vandalism" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#never_reverted_vandalism"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>never reverted vandalism</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-never_reverted_vandalism-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-US" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#US"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>US</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-US-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-England/Britain!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#England/Britain!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>England/Britain!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-England/Britain!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-History" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#History"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>History</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-History-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Santorini" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Santorini"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Santorini</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Santorini-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-American_patent" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#American_patent"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>American patent</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-American_patent-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-State_vs_Extremist" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#State_vs_Extremist"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>State vs Extremist</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-State_vs_Extremist-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Removed" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Removed"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>Removed</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Removed-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Judicial_and_terrorist_beheading" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Judicial_and_terrorist_beheading"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Judicial and terrorist beheading</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Judicial_and_terrorist_beheading-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Japanese_example" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Japanese_example"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Japanese example</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Japanese_example-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Photo_of_beheaded_and_dismembered_corpses" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Photo_of_beheaded_and_dismembered_corpses"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>Photo of beheaded and dismembered corpses</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Photo_of_beheaded_and_dismembered_corpses-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Srebrenica_massacre" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Srebrenica_massacre"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>Srebrenica massacre</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Srebrenica_massacre-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Use_of_"often"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Use_of_"often""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Use of "often"</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Use_of_"often"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Internal_Decapitation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Internal_Decapitation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Internal Decapitation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Internal_Decapitation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Can_we_upload_a_mexican_behading_video?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Can_we_upload_a_mexican_behading_video?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>Can we upload a mexican behading video?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Can_we_upload_a_mexican_behading_video?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Photo_of_beheaded_and_mutilated_heads" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Photo_of_beheaded_and_mutilated_heads"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>Photo of beheaded and mutilated heads</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Photo_of_beheaded_and_mutilated_heads-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-old_reference" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#old_reference"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>old reference</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-old_reference-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Head_transplants_on_monkeys" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Head_transplants_on_monkeys"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>Head transplants on monkeys</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Head_transplants_on_monkeys-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Was_the_potentially_mis-sourced_material_checked_against_the_suggested_source?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Was_the_potentially_mis-sourced_material_checked_against_the_suggested_source?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>Was the potentially mis-sourced material checked against the suggested source?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Was_the_potentially_mis-sourced_material_checked_against_the_suggested_source?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Possibility_of_survival" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Possibility_of_survival"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>Possibility of survival</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Possibility_of_survival-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Suicide" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Suicide"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>Suicide</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Suicide-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"George_S._Patton_III"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"George_S._Patton_III"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>"George S. 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class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/40px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/60px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/80px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text" style="text-align:center">This is an <b><a href="/wiki/Help:Archiving_a_talk_page" title="Help:Archiving a talk page">archive</a></b> of past discussions about <a href="/wiki/Decapitation" title="Decapitation">Decapitation</a>. <b>Do not edit the contents of this page.</b> If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Decapitation" title="Talk:Decapitation">current talk page</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <table style="text-align:center;margin:0 auto 0.5em;max-width:10em;width:100%;width:-moz-available;width:-webkit-fill-available;width:stretch"><tbody><tr><td><span style="font-size:115%;"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Archive 1</a></span></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Beheadings_in_Saudi_Arabia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Beheadings_in_Saudi_Arabia-2005-04-10T16:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Beheadings_in_Saudi_Arabia-2005-04-10T16:44:00.000Z"></span>Beheadings in Saudi Arabia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Beheadings_in_Saudi_Arabia-2005-04-10T16:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-82.156.167.207-2005-04-10T16:44:00.000Z-Beheadings_in_Saudi_Arabia"></span>I feel that although mentioned in the article it deserves more attention that beheadings in fact account for the vast majority of executions in Saudi Arabia, some 50 in 2003 according to Amenesty International, the majority of them being foreign nationals. See also <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://web.amnesty.org/report2004/sau-summary-eng">http://web.amnesty.org/report2004/sau-summary-eng</a> <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/82.156.167.207" title="Special:Contributions/82.156.167.207">82.156.167.207</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:82.156.167.207&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:82.156.167.207 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-82.156.167.207-2005-04-10T16:44:00.000Z-Beheadings_in_Saudi_Arabia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 10 April 2005 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-82.156.167.207-2005-04-10T16:44:00.000Z-Beheadings_in_Saudi_Arabia"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-82.156.167.207-2005-04-10T16:44:00.000Z-Beheadings_in_Saudi_Arabia"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ostrø_removed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ostrø_removed-2005-10-10T09:15:00.000Z"><span id="Ostr.C3.B8_removed"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ostrø_removed-2005-10-10T09:15:00.000Z"></span>Ostrø removed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ostrø_removed-2005-10-10T09:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daddycruel-2005-10-10T09:15:00.000Z-Ostrø_removed"></span>I removed <a href="/wiki/Hans_Christian_Ostr%C3%B8" class="mw-redirect" title="Hans Christian Ostrø">Hans Christian Ostrø</a> from the list of Iraq decapitation victims. He was beheaded in Kashmir in 1995 by the Al Faran group. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Daddycruel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Daddycruel (page does not exist)">Daddycruel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daddycruel#top" title="User talk:Daddycruel">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Daddycruel" title="Special:Contributions/Daddycruel">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Daddycruel-2005-10-10T09:15:00.000Z-Ostrø_removed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 10 October 2005 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daddycruel-2005-10-10T09:15:00.000Z-Ostrø_removed"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daddycruel-2005-10-10T09:15:00.000Z-Ostrø_removed"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nil?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nil?-2005-12-28T04:56:00.000Z"><span id="Nil.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nil?-2005-12-28T04:56:00.000Z"></span>Nil?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nil?-2005-12-28T04:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mako-2005-12-28T04:56:00.000Z-Nil?"></span>Removed <a href="/wiki/Nil" class="mw-disambig" title="Nil">Nil</a> under the Hindu subheading, as it didn't seem to be linking to a person named "Nil" <a href="/wiki/User:Mako" title="User:Mako">Mako</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Mako-2005-12-28T04:56:00.000Z-Nil?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mako-2005-12-28T04:56:00.000Z-Nil?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mako-2005-12-28T04:56:00.000Z-Nil?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Iraq_War" data-mw-thread-id="h-Iraq_War-2006-01-19T19:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Iraq_War-2006-01-19T19:13:00.000Z"></span>Iraq War<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Iraq_War-2006-01-19T19:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JHMM13-2006-01-19T19:13:00.000Z-Iraq_War"></span>I think we should start considering the necessity of displaying <i>all</i> the decapitation victims from the Iraq War. Although their deaths were gruesome, only a few were actually notable. <a href="/wiki/User:JHMM13" title="User:JHMM13">JHMM13</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JHMM13" title="User talk:JHMM13">T</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JHMM13" title="Special:Contributions/JHMM13">C</a>) <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_United_States.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/25px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/38px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/50px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1235" data-file-height="650"/></a></span> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Flag_of_Germany.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/Flag_of_Germany.svg/25px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/Flag_of_Germany.svg/38px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/Flag_of_Germany.svg/50px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1000" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-JHMM13-2006-01-19T19:13:00.000Z-Iraq_War" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 19 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JHMM13-2006-01-19T19:13:00.000Z-Iraq_War"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JHMM13-2006-01-19T19:13:00.000Z-Iraq_War"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Criticism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Criticism-2006-03-27T15:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Criticism-2006-03-27T15:21:00.000Z"></span>Criticism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Criticism-2006-03-27T15:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm#Decapitation"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-192.80.55.74-2006-03-27T15:21:00.000Z-Criticism"></span>http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm#Decapitation</a> <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:192.80.55.74&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:192.80.55.74 (page does not exist)">192.80.55.74</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:192.80.55.74&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:192.80.55.74 (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/192.80.55.74" title="Special:Contributions/192.80.55.74">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-192.80.55.74-2006-03-27T15:21:00.000Z-Criticism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-192.80.55.74-2006-03-27T15:21:00.000Z-Criticism"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-192.80.55.74-2006-03-27T15:21:00.000Z-Criticism"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dickens" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dickens-2006-04-09T01:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dickens-2006-04-09T01:04:00.000Z"></span>Dickens<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dickens-2006-04-09T01:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shtove-2006-04-09T01:04:00.000Z-Dickens"></span>Isn't there an account by <a href="/wiki/Charles_Dickens" title="Charles Dickens">Charles Dickens</a> of his observations on a beheading - the neck contracts into the shoulders etc? It was in a collection of great war-journalism published 10 years ago, I think. The Iraq beheadings don't belong here. <a href="/wiki/Fiach_MacHugh_O%27Byrne" class="mw-redirect" title="Fiach MacHugh O'Byrne">Fiach MacHugh O'Byrne</a> has a good story on a political beheading in 16thC Elizabethan Ireland, under the section <i>Missing Head</i>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Shtove" title="User:Shtove">shtove</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Shtove-2006-04-09T01:04:00.000Z-Dickens" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:04, 9 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shtove-2006-04-09T01:04:00.000Z-Dickens"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shtove-2006-04-09T01:04:00.000Z-Dickens"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Picture" data-mw-thread-id="h-Picture-2006-04-22T14:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Picture-2006-04-22T14:34:00.000Z"></span>Picture<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Picture-2006-04-22T14:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.65.156.77-2006-04-22T14:34:00.000Z-Picture"></span>The painting heading this article, in my opinion, isn't particularly clear. It's got a crowd, and halos, and a limited colour scheme, which all detract from the actual beheading; I couldn't even see what it was meant to be without zooming in. Perhaps something more baroque is appropriate? <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Judith_Beheading_Holofernes_by_Caravaggio.jpg">This</a>, perhaps? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:84.65.156.77&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:84.65.156.77 (page does not exist)">84.65.156.77</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-84.65.156.77-2006-04-22T14:34:00.000Z-Picture" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84.65.156.77-2006-04-22T14:34:00.000Z-Picture"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-84.65.156.77-2006-04-22T14:34:00.000Z-Picture"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Iran_?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Iran_?-2006-05-19T04:46:00.000Z"><span id="Iran_.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Iran_?-2006-05-19T04:46:00.000Z"></span>Iran ?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Iran_?-2006-05-19T04:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-80.242.9.45-2006-05-19T04:46:00.000Z-Iran_?"></span>In Iran the capital punishment is carried out by hanging so i removed the iran from the list of counties in which the beheading is lawful or being practiced. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.242.9.45" title="Special:Contributions/80.242.9.45">80.242.9.45 </a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:80.242.9.45&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:80.242.9.45 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-80.242.9.45-2006-05-19T04:46:00.000Z-Iran_?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-80.242.9.45-2006-05-19T04:46:00.000Z-Iran_?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-80.242.9.45-2006-05-19T04:46:00.000Z-Iran_?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Traditional_decapitation_methods?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Traditional_decapitation_methods?-2006-06-21T05:18:00.000Z"><span id="Traditional_decapitation_methods.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Traditional_decapitation_methods?-2006-06-21T05:18:00.000Z"></span>Traditional decapitation methods?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Traditional_decapitation_methods?-2006-06-21T05:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-72.70.83.233-2006-06-21T05:18:00.000Z-Traditional_decapitation_methods?"></span>Under the heading "Decapitation in the modern world" I think the phrase "Traditional decapitation methods, both ancient and modern,..." is both wordy and implies that decapitation is a tradition. I propose that phrase be changed to "Historically, most methods of beheading..." <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.70.83.233" title="Special:Contributions/72.70.83.233">72.70.83.233</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:72.70.83.233&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:72.70.83.233 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-72.70.83.233-2006-06-21T05:18:00.000Z-Traditional_decapitation_methods?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)</a> </small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-72.70.83.233-2006-06-21T05:18:00.000Z-Traditional_decapitation_methods?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-72.70.83.233-2006-06-21T05:18:00.000Z-Traditional_decapitation_methods?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Anecdotal?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Anecdotal?-2006-02-20T23:44:00.000Z"><span id="Anecdotal.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Anecdotal?-2006-02-20T23:44:00.000Z"></span>Anecdotal?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Anecdotal?-2006-02-20T23:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TKarrde-2006-02-20T23:44:00.000Z-Anecdotal?"></span>I seem to recall a story about a scientist who might have lived some time immediately before or after the French Revolution who, in the process of attempting to determine how long it takes for death to occur to a beheaded human, volunteered himself as a test subject. If memory serves, he told his assistants before heading to the guillotine to count the number of times he blinked his eyes after being beheaded, perhaps using that as a way to indicate the precise moment of death. Anecdotal or based in fact? <a href="/wiki/User:TKarrde" title="User:TKarrde">TKarrde</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-TKarrde-2006-02-20T23:44:00.000Z-Anecdotal?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:44, 20 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TKarrde-2006-02-20T23:44:00.000Z-Anecdotal?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TKarrde-2006-02-20T23:44:00.000Z-Anecdotal?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-161.142.96.136-2006-07-06T12:04:00.000Z-TKarrde-2006-02-20T23:44:00.000Z"></span>You're probably thinking of <a href="/wiki/Lavoisier" class="mw-redirect" title="Lavoisier">Lavoisier</a>. the damned fanatics took his head off for being a farmer of taxes in the ancien regime, despite his great services to science. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/161.142.96.136" title="Special:Contributions/161.142.96.136">161.142.96.136</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:161.142.96.136&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:161.142.96.136 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-161.142.96.136-2006-07-06T12:04:00.000Z-TKarrde-2006-02-20T23:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)</a> <span data-mw-comment-end="c-161.142.96.136-2006-07-06T12:04:00.000Z-TKarrde-2006-02-20T23:44:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-161.142.96.136-2006-07-06T12:04:00.000Z-TKarrde-2006-02-20T23:44:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WHO_definition" data-mw-thread-id="h-WHO_definition-2006-10-20T00:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WHO_definition-2006-10-20T00:32:00.000Z"></span>WHO definition<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WHO_definition-2006-10-20T00:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-85.250.210.251-2006-10-20T00:32:00.000Z-WHO_definition"></span>The WHO defines decapitation as a malady with a mortality rate close to 100%, which was a pandemic in Europe at the end of the seventeenth century, but nowadays is all but erradicated in developed countries.</dd></dl> <p>This sounds to me like a joke, but if it's not it needs a source. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/85.250.210.251" title="Special:Contributions/85.250.210.251">85.250.210.251</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:85.250.210.251&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:85.250.210.251 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-85.250.210.251-2006-10-20T00:32:00.000Z-WHO_definition" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-85.250.210.251-2006-10-20T00:32:00.000Z-WHO_definition"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-85.250.210.251-2006-10-20T00:32:00.000Z-WHO_definition"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Almost"_always_fatal?" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Almost"_always_fatal?-2006-09-04T12:46:00.000Z"><span id=".22Almost.22_always_fatal.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Almost"_always_fatal?-2006-09-04T12:46:00.000Z"></span>"Almost" always fatal?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Almost"_always_fatal?-2006-09-04T12:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ihope127-2006-09-04T12:46:00.000Z-"Almost"_always_fatal?"></span>"Decapitation is almost always fatal, as brain death usually occurs within seconds to minutes without the support of the organism's body." </p> <dl><dd>When is it not fatal? --<a href="/wiki/User:Ihope127" title="User:Ihope127">Ihope127</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Ihope127-2006-09-04T12:46:00.000Z-"Almost"_always_fatal?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ihope127-2006-09-04T12:46:00.000Z-"Almost"_always_fatal?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ihope127-2006-09-04T12:46:00.000Z-"Almost"_always_fatal?"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shtove-2006-09-04T15:59:00.000Z-Ihope127-2006-09-04T12:46:00.000Z"></span>There's a scene in <a href="/wiki/Severance_(film)" title="Severance (film)">Severance (film)</a> in which survival after decapitation is discussed, and then illustrated in true gory horror detail. Anyway, you should stick this quote on the Bad Jokes page.--<a href="/wiki/User:Shtove" title="User:Shtove">Shtove</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Shtove-2006-09-04T15:59:00.000Z-Ihope127-2006-09-04T12:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shtove-2006-09-04T15:59:00.000Z-Ihope127-2006-09-04T12:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shtove-2006-09-04T15:59:00.000Z-Ihope127-2006-09-04T12:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Frencheigh-2006-11-16T13:16:00.000Z-Ihope127-2006-09-04T12:46:00.000Z"></span>How about nonmammals? How about <a href="/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken" title="Mike the Headless Chicken">Mike</a>? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Frencheigh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Frencheigh (page does not exist)">Frencheigh</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Frencheigh-2006-11-16T13:16:00.000Z-Ihope127-2006-09-04T12:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Frencheigh-2006-11-16T13:16:00.000Z-Ihope127-2006-09-04T12:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Frencheigh-2006-11-16T13:16:00.000Z-Ihope127-2006-09-04T12:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="redirects" data-mw-thread-id="h-redirects-2006-12-01T03:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-redirects-2006-12-01T03:34:00.000Z"></span>redirects<span data-mw-comment-end="h-redirects-2006-12-01T03:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Detruncate-2006-12-01T03:34:00.000Z-redirects"></span>the link <a href="/wiki/Decapitated" class="mw-redirect" title="Decapitated">decapitated</a> goes to a metal band. Within the larger scope of wikipedia, I think it would make more sense to redirect to decapitation, as it is much more likely for internall linking to take place with term in mind rather than the band. If no one objects, I'll fiddle with the redirect in a few days. --<a href="/wiki/User:Detruncate" title="User:Detruncate">Detruncate</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Detruncate-2006-12-01T03:34:00.000Z-redirects" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Detruncate-2006-12-01T03:34:00.000Z-redirects"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Detruncate-2006-12-01T03:34:00.000Z-redirects"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Beheading_in_the_Roman_Empire" data-mw-thread-id="h-Beheading_in_the_Roman_Empire-2007-01-19T03:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Beheading_in_the_Roman_Empire-2007-01-19T03:17:00.000Z"></span>Beheading in the Roman Empire<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Beheading_in_the_Roman_Empire-2007-01-19T03:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-74.138.198.103-2007-01-19T03:17:00.000Z-Beheading_in_the_Roman_Empire"></span>Thought I might mention that beheading was a form of punishment for citizens in the Roman Empire, whereas provincials and non-citizens were crucified. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.138.198.103" title="Special:Contributions/74.138.198.103">74.138.198.103</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:74.138.198.103#top" title="User talk:74.138.198.103">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-74.138.198.103-2007-01-19T03:17:00.000Z-Beheading_in_the_Roman_Empire" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-74.138.198.103-2007-01-19T03:17:00.000Z-Beheading_in_the_Roman_Empire"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-74.138.198.103-2007-01-19T03:17:00.000Z-Beheading_in_the_Roman_Empire"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="More_gruesome_photos_displayed" data-mw-thread-id="h-More_gruesome_photos_displayed-2007-04-23T10:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_gruesome_photos_displayed-2007-04-23T10:38:00.000Z"></span>More gruesome photos displayed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_gruesome_photos_displayed-2007-04-23T10:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="boilerplate metadata discussion-archived" style="background-color: #dedaca; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lukeonia1-2007-04-23T10:38:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span>The following discussion is archived. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.</i></dd></dl> <p>Someone using several variations of the username <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ToughLuckMeadow" title="Special:Contributions/ToughLuckMeadow">ToughLuckMeadow</a> has been repeatedly posting the same graphic <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Beheadingirq.jpg">photo</a> on this page. If anyone can come up with a legitimate reason this photo needs to be displayed in the article (as opposed to linked at the bottom, or preferably deleted), I'd be very interested. Otherwise, wouldn't this be considered vandalism? --<a href="/wiki/User:Lukeonia1" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Lukeonia1">Lukeonia1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Lukeonia1-2007-04-23T10:38:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lukeonia1-2007-04-23T10:38:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lukeonia1-2007-04-23T10:38:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToughLuckMeadow-2007-04-23T15:41:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span>How is it vanadalism? It's a real picture of the article being discussed. </p><p>It shouldn't be labeled as "Vandalism" just because some of you are morally opposed to those kind of pictures. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ToughLuckMeadow&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ToughLuckMeadow (page does not exist)">ToughLuckMeadow</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToughLuckMeadow#top" title="User talk:ToughLuckMeadow">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ToughLuckMeadow" title="Special:Contributions/ToughLuckMeadow">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-ToughLuckMeadow-2007-04-23T15:41:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToughLuckMeadow-2007-04-23T15:41:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToughLuckMeadow-2007-04-23T15:41:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lukeonia1-2007-04-23T19:51:00.000Z-ToughLuckMeadow-2007-04-23T15:41:00.000Z"></span>Okay, I take that back. It wouldn't be vandalism as such because it does indeed relate to the article. What I'm saying is, I don't see how the image adds anything to the encyclopedic value of this article. We can all visualize what a severed head looks like, and there are illustrations of that both <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Heads_on_pikes.jpg">above</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Titian-salome.jpg">below</a> this on the page. According to your logic, I could legitimately post <a href="/wiki/Goatse.cx" title="Goatse.cx">hello.jpg</a> in the <a href="/wiki/Anus#Role_in_sexuality" title="Anus">anus</a> article (or the Goatse article itself for that matter) and it would have to be allowed to remain on the grounds that it is "a real picture of the article being discussed." What's the difference, other than the subject matter? --<a href="/wiki/User:Lukeonia1" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Lukeonia1">Lukeonia1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Lukeonia1-2007-04-23T19:51:00.000Z-ToughLuckMeadow-2007-04-23T15:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lukeonia1-2007-04-23T19:51:00.000Z-ToughLuckMeadow-2007-04-23T15:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lukeonia1-2007-04-23T19:51:00.000Z-ToughLuckMeadow-2007-04-23T15:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToughLuckMeadow-2007-04-23T21:30:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span> I just thought there needed to be a picture of the real thing instead of just illustrations from paintings hundreds of years ago. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ToughLuckMeadow&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ToughLuckMeadow (page does not exist)">ToughLuckMeadow</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToughLuckMeadow#top" title="User talk:ToughLuckMeadow">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ToughLuckMeadow" title="Special:Contributions/ToughLuckMeadow">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-ToughLuckMeadow-2007-04-23T21:30:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 23 April 2007 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToughLuckMeadow-2007-04-23T21:30:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToughLuckMeadow-2007-04-23T21:30:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mark.t2006-2007-04-24T15:19:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span>Quote: </p><p><i>How is it vanadalism? It's a real picture of the article being discussed.</i> </p><p>It shouldn't be labeled as "Vandalism" just because some of you are morally opposed to those kind of pictures.<i> & </i>How is it vanadalism? It's a real picture of the article being discussed.<i></i> </p><p>Listen you devious little rat, some things in life are just not acceptable & your one of them, take your gutter material elsewhere, down the toilet where it belongs with yourself. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Mark.t2006" title="User:Mark.t2006">Mark.t2006</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mark.t2006#top" title="User talk:Mark.t2006">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mark.t2006" title="Special:Contributions/Mark.t2006">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Mark.t2006-2007-04-24T15:19:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mark.t2006-2007-04-24T15:19:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mark.t2006-2007-04-24T15:19:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span> </p> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Agamemnon2-2007-04-25T03:06:00.000Z-Mark.t2006-2007-04-24T15:19:00.000Z"></span>How about instead of acting like a whiny git, you just walk away from Wikipedia for a while? In fact, don't bother coming back. --<a href="/wiki/User:Agamemnon2" title="User:Agamemnon2">Agamemnon2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Agamemnon2-2007-04-25T03:06:00.000Z-Mark.t2006-2007-04-24T15:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Agamemnon2-2007-04-25T03:06:00.000Z-Mark.t2006-2007-04-24T15:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Agamemnon2-2007-04-25T03:06:00.000Z-Mark.t2006-2007-04-24T15:19:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bibliomaniac15-2007-04-28T05:27:00.000Z-Mark.t2006-2007-04-24T15:19:00.000Z"></span>Dunno if Aga is on my side or not, but like I said, just because you may be morally opposed to those kind of pictures (Like the fine comment left about me with a gutter mentality) doesn't mean it's labeled vandalism.. It's fair use in the article being discussed and it should be left there. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ToughLuckMeadow&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ToughLuckMeadow (page does not exist)">ToughLuckMeadow</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToughLuckMeadow#top" title="User talk:ToughLuckMeadow">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ToughLuckMeadow" title="Special:Contributions/ToughLuckMeadow">contribs</a>) 15:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)</small></li></ul></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Agamemnon2, please remember to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">civil</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">assume good faith</a>. <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Bibliomaniac15" title="User:Bibliomaniac15"><span style="color:black;">bibliomaniac</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bibliomaniac15" title="User talk:Bibliomaniac15"><span style="color:red;">1</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bibliomaniac15" title="Special:Contributions/Bibliomaniac15"><span style="color:blue;">5</span></a></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Bibliomaniac15-2007-04-28T05:27:00.000Z-Mark.t2006-2007-04-24T15:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bibliomaniac15-2007-04-28T05:27:00.000Z-Mark.t2006-2007-04-24T15:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bibliomaniac15-2007-04-28T05:27:00.000Z-Mark.t2006-2007-04-24T15:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PureRED-2007-04-29T03:23:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span>I don't think the photo is necessary, it's a bit excessive. --<a href="/wiki/User:PureRED" title="User:PureRED">PureRED - Kyle Floyd</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-PureRED-2007-04-29T03:23:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PureRED-2007-04-29T03:23:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PureRED-2007-04-29T03:23:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lukeonia1-2007-05-02T09:24:00.000Z-PureRED-2007-04-29T03:23:00.000Z"></span>Exactly. I think the inclusion of this image detracts from the article by adding an unnecessary shock value. Its inclusion will offend some, but its exclusion will offend none. Without getting into a debate on Wikipedia censorship, which is preferable? If we include this image in the "related" article, why don't we do the same for other <a href="/wiki/Shock_site" title="Shock site">shock sites</a>? Same reasoning, same effect, different genre. --<a href="/wiki/User:Lukeonia1" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Lukeonia1">Lukeonia1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Lukeonia1-2007-05-02T09:24:00.000Z-PureRED-2007-04-29T03:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lukeonia1-2007-05-02T09:24:00.000Z-PureRED-2007-04-29T03:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lukeonia1-2007-05-02T09:24:00.000Z-PureRED-2007-04-29T03:23:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maziotis-2007-05-02T13:19:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span>I agree, for the reasons mentioned above. I believe this picture does not contribute to the encyclopedic value of the article. I think it should be deleted. </p><p>Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Profanity" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Profanity">Wikipedia:Profanity</a>. I believe we can all agree that the deletion of this photo does not <i>cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and</i> that <i>no equally suitable alternatives are available</i>.<a href="/wiki/User:Maziotis" title="User:Maziotis">Maziotis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Maziotis-2007-05-02T13:19:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maziotis-2007-05-02T13:19:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maziotis-2007-05-02T13:19:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-193.190.253.129-2007-05-02T13:39:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span>Even if it did have a reason, the image should be put there without a thumbnail preview using this tag [[:media:wiki.png|Image of the jigsaw globe logo]] , with a warning of EXTREMELY graphic content. --(<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:193.190.253.129&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:193.190.253.129 (page does not exist)">193.190.253.129</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-193.190.253.129-2007-05-02T13:39:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-193.190.253.129-2007-05-02T13:39:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-193.190.253.129-2007-05-02T13:39:00.000Z-More_gruesome_photos_displayed"></span> </p> <dl><dd><i>The above discussion is preserved as an archive. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.</i></dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_for_Comments:_Graphic_image_inclusion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_Comments:_Graphic_image_inclusion-2007-05-02T11:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_Comments:_Graphic_image_inclusion-2007-05-02T11:31:00.000Z"></span>Request for Comments: Graphic image inclusion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_Comments:_Graphic_image_inclusion-2007-05-02T11:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="boilerplate metadata discussion-archived" style="background-color: #dedaca; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alnokta-2007-05-02T11:31:00.000Z-Request_for_Comments:_Graphic_image_inclusion"></span>The following discussion is archived. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.</i></dd></dl> <p>This is a dispute over whether or not a graphic image should be included in the article. --09:28, 2 May 2007 (UTC) </p> <dl><dt>Statements by editors previously involved in dispute</dt></dl> <ul><li>I don't see how the image adds anything to the encyclopedic value of this article. We can all visualize what a severed head looks like, and there are illustrations of that both <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Heads_on_pikes.jpg">above</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Titian-salome.jpg">below</a> this on the page. --Lukeonia1 10:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)</li> <li>I just thought there needed to be a picture of the real thing instead of just illustrations from paintings hundreds of years ago. --Unsigned</li> <li>It's fair use in the article being discussed and it should be left there. --User:ToughLuckMeadow</li> <li>I don't think the photo is necessary, it's a bit excessive. --PureRED - Kyle Floyd 03:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC) <ul><li>Exactly. I think the inclusion of this image detracts from the article by adding an unnecessary shock value. Its inclusion will offend some, but its exclusion will offend none. --Lukeonia1 09:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)</li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dt>Comments</dt></dl> <p>I'm not involved in any disputes but I don't think that there is a need to remove the picture..the picture is free..the article is about beheading, what did you expect? it is encyclopedic as it demonstrates the article in question..whether we like it or not, it shouldn't be removed.. Wikipedia isn't censored as you know...--<a href="/wiki/User:Alnokta" title="User:Alnokta">The Joke</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Alnokta-2007-05-02T11:31:00.000Z-Request_for_Comments:_Graphic_image_inclusion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alnokta-2007-05-02T11:31:00.000Z-Request_for_Comments:_Graphic_image_inclusion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alnokta-2007-05-02T11:31:00.000Z-Request_for_Comments:_Graphic_image_inclusion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoanneB-2007-05-03T19:00:00.000Z-Alnokta-2007-05-02T11:31:00.000Z"></span>I have doubts about how free the picture is. Did the uploader really take this picture himself? Normally, I'd do an image search but don't feel like doing it for this topic (I personally would have preferred not seeing the image, but other than reverting vandalism, I wouldn't edit articles like these). Another thing: Wikipedia is not censored, but what is the informational aspect of this image? I think that the image is pretty worthless without any context. --<a href="/wiki/User:JoanneB" title="User:JoanneB">Joanne</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoanneB" title="User talk:JoanneB">B</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-JoanneB-2007-05-03T19:00:00.000Z-Alnokta-2007-05-02T11:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoanneB-2007-05-03T19:00:00.000Z-Alnokta-2007-05-02T11:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoanneB-2007-05-03T19:00:00.000Z-Alnokta-2007-05-02T11:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoanneB-2007-05-03T19:32:00.000Z-JoanneB-2007-05-03T19:00:00.000Z"></span>I don't believe the image license is correct. It's highly unlikely that someone who shares a computer with his brother is both the producer of a band and the photographer of a decapitation, and this user has vandalised in the past, I don't think he should still get the benefit of the doubt. I'm deleting the image until he comes up with a decent explanation. This is not about whether we should have an image like this, if there are images with a right license, this just isn't one of them. --<a href="/wiki/User:JoanneB" title="User:JoanneB">Joanne</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoanneB" title="User talk:JoanneB">B</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-JoanneB-2007-05-03T19:32:00.000Z-JoanneB-2007-05-03T19:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoanneB-2007-05-03T19:32:00.000Z-JoanneB-2007-05-03T19:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoanneB-2007-05-03T19:32:00.000Z-JoanneB-2007-05-03T19:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Vote to Keep</dt></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SECurtisTX-2007-05-03T19:18:00.000Z-Request_for_Comments:_Graphic_image_inclusion"></span>I draw a distinction between content that is <i>meant</i> to offend, and content that is not meant to offend but offends anyway. The former is plain vandalism. The latter is not. Furthermore, the offense generated by the latter is the responsiblity of those who choose to take offense, not the editor who posts it in good faith. The image does not offend me. It illustrates the article, which is the intent. So my vote is to keep it. But let's get a consensus either way and then abide by it. --<a href="/wiki/User:SECurtisTX" class="mw-redirect" title="User:SECurtisTX">SECurtisTX</a> | <small><a href="/wiki/User:SECurtisTX" class="mw-redirect" title="User:SECurtisTX">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-SECurtisTX-2007-05-03T19:18:00.000Z-Request_for_Comments:_Graphic_image_inclusion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SECurtisTX-2007-05-03T19:18:00.000Z-Request_for_Comments:_Graphic_image_inclusion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SECurtisTX-2007-05-03T19:18:00.000Z-Request_for_Comments:_Graphic_image_inclusion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wsiegmund-2007-05-04T02:22:00.000Z-SECurtisTX-2007-05-03T19:18:00.000Z"></span>I've reviewed this discussion only briefly, but I'm dubious that an allowable license can be established for the image in question. I think JoanneB is correct in her handling of this matter. <a href="/wiki/User:Wsiegmund" title="User:Wsiegmund">Walter Siegmund</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wsiegmund" title="User talk:Wsiegmund">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Wsiegmund-2007-05-04T02:22:00.000Z-SECurtisTX-2007-05-03T19:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 4 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wsiegmund-2007-05-04T02:22:00.000Z-SECurtisTX-2007-05-03T19:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wsiegmund-2007-05-04T02:22:00.000Z-SECurtisTX-2007-05-03T19:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_Isotalo-2007-05-07T12:34:00.000Z-Wsiegmund-2007-05-04T02:22:00.000Z"></span>I saw the request for comments about this issue. It's difficult to comment accurately on this since I haven't seen the now deleted picture, but the reasoning that intent would somehow make a certain image less offensive isn't all that considerate of those who no doubt will be offended or put off by something that is rather explicit. Any addition that in itself requires a disclaimer or explanation should generally be avoided.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Peter_Isotalo" title="User:Peter Isotalo">Peter</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_Isotalo" title="User talk:Peter Isotalo">Isotalo</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Peter_Isotalo-2007-05-07T12:34:00.000Z-Wsiegmund-2007-05-04T02:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:34, 7 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_Isotalo-2007-05-07T12:34:00.000Z-Wsiegmund-2007-05-04T02:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_Isotalo-2007-05-07T12:34:00.000Z-Wsiegmund-2007-05-04T02:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><i>The above discussion is preserved as an archive. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.</i></dd></dl></div> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sources" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sources-2007-04-24T13:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sources-2007-04-24T13:20:00.000Z"></span>Sources<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sources-2007-04-24T13:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Raffles116-2007-04-24T13:20:00.000Z-Sources"></span>Very few sources are properly cited for this article, yet there is a lot of very specific historical information given. While I don't have the knowledge to contradict them, and I believe that most of them are in fact true, they still need to be cited well. I don't have the time to go through and do it now, but maybe whoever inserted these facts can easily find where they got them from?<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Raffles116&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Raffles116 (page does not exist)">Raffles116</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Raffles116-2007-04-24T13:20:00.000Z-Sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raffles116-2007-04-24T13:20:00.000Z-Sources"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Raffles116-2007-04-24T13:20:00.000Z-Sources"></span> </p><p><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeeny-2007-05-15T04:55:00.000Z-Sources"></span>See it's over. I don't get this. There is no need for a REAL image. An illustration is just fine. Just like in any medical book or subject. I agree the inclusion will offend some, its exclusion will offend none. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jeeny&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jeeny (page does not exist)">- Jeeny</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeeny" title="User talk:Jeeny">Talk</a></sup></small> 04:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)</s> Nevermind. Always late, and a dollar short. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jeeny&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jeeny (page does not exist)">- Jeeny</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeeny" title="User talk:Jeeny">Talk</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Jeeny-2007-05-15T04:55:00.000Z-Sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeeny-2007-05-15T04:55:00.000Z-Sources"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeeny-2007-05-15T04:55:00.000Z-Sources"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:JackHensley.PNG" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:JackHensley.PNG-2007-06-05T21:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:JackHensley.PNG-2007-06-05T21:47:00.000Z"></span>Fair use rationale for Image:JackHensley.PNG<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:JackHensley.PNG-2007-06-05T21:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BetacommandBot-2007-06-05T21:47:00.000Z-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:JackHensley.PNG"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_important.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/70px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="70" height="58" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/105px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/140px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="500"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p><b><a href="/wiki/File:JackHensley.PNG" title="File:JackHensley.PNG">Image:JackHensley.PNG</a></b> is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Fair_use" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Fair use">fair use</a> but there is no <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Fair_use_rationale_guideline" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline">explanation or rationale</a> as to why its use in <b>this</b> Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags/Fair_use" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Fair use">boilerplate fair use template</a>, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FU" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FU">fair use</a>. </p><p>Please go to <a href="/wiki/File:JackHensley.PNG" title="File:JackHensley.PNG">the image description page</a> and edit it to include a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Fair_use_rationale_guideline" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline">fair use rationale</a>. Using one of the templates at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Fair_use_rationale_guideline" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline">Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline</a> is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page. </p><p>If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Images.2FMedia" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">criteria for speedy deletion</a>. If you have any questions please ask them at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions" title="Wikipedia:Media copyright questions">Media copyright questions page</a>. Thank you.<a href="/wiki/User:BetacommandBot" title="User:BetacommandBot">BetacommandBot</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-BetacommandBot-2007-06-05T21:47:00.000Z-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:JackHensley.PNG" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BetacommandBot-2007-06-05T21:47:00.000Z-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:JackHensley.PNG"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BetacommandBot-2007-06-05T21:47:00.000Z-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:JackHensley.PNG"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bodybagger-2007-08-22T05:01:00.000Z-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:JackHensley.PNG"></span>I think that the image is actually public domain and cannot be legally copyrighted by anyone in any country. The image is one frame of a video, so it's display is governed by the rules that apply to the original video according to US Code Title 17 sec. 101. I think we all can agree that the original video was created by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who died without copyrighting this video. I think we can agree that this video was released into the public domain by al-Zarqawi with the goal of being seen by as many people as possible. Also, this video was created during the commission of a murder and an act of international terrorism specifically to spread fear as part of the terrorist act. Receiving royalties from this video would be deemed profits from an act of international terrorism, which is a much more serious crime, and so the question is moot. Even if it can be copyrighted, no reasonable person would. Therefore, it is public domain.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bodybagger&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bodybagger (page does not exist)">Bodybagger</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Bodybagger-2007-08-22T05:01:00.000Z-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:JackHensley.PNG" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bodybagger-2007-08-22T05:01:00.000Z-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:JackHensley.PNG"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bodybagger-2007-08-22T05:01:00.000Z-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:JackHensley.PNG"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Terrosist_Website_(BEHEADING_WARNING_GRAPHIC)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Terrosist_Website_(BEHEADING_WARNING_GRAPHIC)-2007-09-04T07:52:00.000Z"><span id="Terrosist_Website_.28BEHEADING_WARNING_GRAPHIC.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Terrosist_Website_(BEHEADING_WARNING_GRAPHIC)-2007-09-04T07:52:00.000Z"></span>Terrosist Website (BEHEADING WARNING GRAPHIC)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Terrosist_Website_(BEHEADING_WARNING_GRAPHIC)-2007-09-04T07:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pleasantview-2007-09-04T07:52:00.000Z-Terrosist_Website_(BEHEADING_WARNING_GRAPHIC)"></span>I'm just bored and I just want to know if we are going to keep the terrorist website up or just take it down due to the contents? (<a href="/wiki/User:Pleasantview" title="User:Pleasantview">Pleasantview</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Pleasantview-2007-09-04T07:52:00.000Z-Terrosist_Website_(BEHEADING_WARNING_GRAPHIC)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:52, 4 September 2007 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pleasantview-2007-09-04T07:52:00.000Z-Terrosist_Website_(BEHEADING_WARNING_GRAPHIC)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pleasantview-2007-09-04T07:52:00.000Z-Terrosist_Website_(BEHEADING_WARNING_GRAPHIC)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Liberation_/_Occupation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Liberation_/_Occupation-2007-10-03T08:26:00.000Z"><span id="Liberation_.2F_Occupation"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Liberation_/_Occupation-2007-10-03T08:26:00.000Z"></span>Liberation / Occupation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Liberation_/_Occupation-2007-10-03T08:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.97.189.144" title="Special:Contributions/68.97.189.144"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Black_Butterfly-2007-10-03T08:26:00.000Z-Liberation_/_Occupation"></span>68.97.189.144</a> has twice now replaced "occupation" with "liberation" in the section for Sharia law. In my view, "occupation" is the more neutral term, in that it describes the situation as it is - the country is under a military occupation - while "liberation" implies a value judgement on that occupation. --<a href="/wiki/User:Black_Butterfly" title="User:Black Butterfly">Black Butterfly</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Black_Butterfly-2007-10-03T08:26:00.000Z-Liberation_/_Occupation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Black_Butterfly-2007-10-03T08:26:00.000Z-Liberation_/_Occupation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Black_Butterfly-2007-10-03T08:26:00.000Z-Liberation_/_Occupation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Not_exactly_alphabetical_order." data-mw-thread-id="h-Not_exactly_alphabetical_order.-2007-11-11T17:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Not_exactly_alphabetical_order.-2007-11-11T17:52:00.000Z"></span>Not exactly alphabetical order.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Not_exactly_alphabetical_order.-2007-11-11T17:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_monkeyhate-2007-11-11T17:52:00.000Z-Not_exactly_alphabetical_order."></span>Right now <a href="/wiki/Scotland" title="Scotland">Scotland</a> is between <a href="/wiki/Mythology" class="mw-redirect" title="Mythology">Mythology</a> and Modern Era. How about moving <a href="/wiki/Mythology" class="mw-redirect" title="Mythology">Mythology</a> to the top? <a href="/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis" title="User:Ancheta Wis">Ancheta Wis</a> 00:41, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Don't lose your head about it. --<a href="/wiki/User:The_monkeyhate" title="User:The monkeyhate">The monkeyhate</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-The_monkeyhate-2007-11-11T17:52:00.000Z-Not_exactly_alphabetical_order." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_monkeyhate-2007-11-11T17:52:00.000Z-Not_exactly_alphabetical_order."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_monkeyhate-2007-11-11T17:52:00.000Z-Not_exactly_alphabetical_order."></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fallbeil" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fallbeil-2007-11-12T18:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fallbeil-2007-11-12T18:34:00.000Z"></span>Fallbeil<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fallbeil-2007-11-12T18:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Probably_Heisenberg-2007-11-12T18:34:00.000Z-Fallbeil"></span>According to the article on the fallbeil the Nazis executed prisoners facing upwards with their eyes propped open by matchsticks. In Plotzensee prison the fallbeil was masked from view by a curtain in front of which stood the person to be executed. No tipping board or bascule was used and the victim was manhandled onto the board and placed under the blade. If a struggle was thought likely then the victim was placed facing away from the execution apparatus with the curtain behind. The victim was then pushed backwards and face upwards. This was for the sake of expedition. Executions could be carried out quickly at intervals of three minutes. I have never seen a reference to the use of matchsticks -seems very unlikely as it would have interferred with efficiency! <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Probably_Heisenberg" title="User:Probably Heisenberg">Probably Heisenberg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Probably_Heisenberg" title="User talk:Probably Heisenberg">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Probably_Heisenberg" title="Special:Contributions/Probably Heisenberg">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Probably_Heisenberg-2007-11-12T18:34:00.000Z-Fallbeil" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Probably_Heisenberg-2007-11-12T18:34:00.000Z-Fallbeil"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Probably_Heisenberg-2007-11-12T18:34:00.000Z-Fallbeil"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Famous_people_who_have_been_beheaded?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Famous_people_who_have_been_beheaded?-2007-11-20T07:18:00.000Z"><span id="Famous_people_who_have_been_beheaded.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Famous_people_who_have_been_beheaded?-2007-11-20T07:18:00.000Z"></span>Famous people who have been beheaded?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Famous_people_who_have_been_beheaded?-2007-11-20T07:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Steven_X-2007-11-20T07:18:00.000Z-Famous_people_who_have_been_beheaded?"></span>Some of the people on the list are only famous because they were being beheaded.--<a href="/wiki/User:Steven_X" title="User:Steven X">Steven X</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Steven_X" title="User talk:Steven X">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Steven_X-2007-11-20T07:18:00.000Z-Famous_people_who_have_been_beheaded?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Steven_X-2007-11-20T07:18:00.000Z-Famous_people_who_have_been_beheaded?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Steven_X-2007-11-20T07:18:00.000Z-Famous_people_who_have_been_beheaded?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Blushing_after_beheading" data-mw-thread-id="h-Blushing_after_beheading-2007-12-04T00:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Blushing_after_beheading-2007-12-04T00:56:00.000Z"></span>Blushing after beheading<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Blushing_after_beheading-2007-12-04T00:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randomsoup-2007-12-04T00:56:00.000Z-Blushing_after_beheading"></span>The guillotine section states 'witnesses say that it blushed as though angry, although, with no blood circulation possible, this evidence is obviously false'. I'm not sure you can say it's <i>obviously</i> false, as circulation isn't necessarily required for skin to redden - I would think that even a head removed from the body could still 'blush' due to breaking of the capillaries when slapped. <i>Obviously</i> seems a bit strong. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Randomsoup&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Randomsoup (page does not exist)">Randomsoup</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Randomsoup-2007-12-04T00:56:00.000Z-Blushing_after_beheading" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randomsoup-2007-12-04T00:56:00.000Z-Blushing_after_beheading"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randomsoup-2007-12-04T00:56:00.000Z-Blushing_after_beheading"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merge_from_Cephalectomy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge_from_Cephalectomy-2008-02-05T15:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merge_from_Cephalectomy-2008-02-05T15:48:00.000Z"></span>Merge from Cephalectomy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merge_from_Cephalectomy-2008-02-05T15:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T15:48:00.000Z-Merge_from_Cephalectomy"></span>The <a href="/w/index.php?title=Cephalectomy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Cephalectomy (page does not exist)">Cephalectomy</a> page has been re-added as a page about a medical term after speedy deletion of a page about a band of that name. The evidence for its use as a medical term is flimsy at best; the band themselves claimed to have made the word up<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.algoblast.com/fnf/itw/ceph.htm">[1]</a>. I can only find one unrelated use of cephalectomy in medical literature<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cephalectomy+did+not+affect+the+pituitary-thyroid">[2]</a> (and no mentions in PubMed), as opposed to related terms in regular use - decerebration, encephalectomy, cephalotomy, craniectomy, etc. References in google books <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?um=1&q=cephalectomy+&btnG=Search+Books">[3]</a> are all neologisms as part of a joke. In any case, since there is <i>one</i> reference for this as a medical term, it could be added in here somewhere, but it doesn't appear to rate an article --<a href="/wiki/User:Bazzargh" title="User:Bazzargh">Bazzargh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bazzargh" title="User talk:Bazzargh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T15:48:00.000Z-Merge_from_Cephalectomy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 5 February 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T15:48:00.000Z-Merge_from_Cephalectomy"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T15:48:00.000Z-Merge_from_Cephalectomy"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T16:11:00.000Z-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T15:48:00.000Z"></span>Actually looking closer at that paper, even that might not be using the word. Its a review of mice lacking the hormone TRH. The sentence picked up in the search appears to be a reference to a reviewed paper, and there are several papers on fetal <i>en</i>cephalectomy and TRH<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=encephalectomy+did+not+affect+the+pituitary-thyroid">[4]</a>. So the original paper may say encephalectomy and its just been split by a linebreak, or typo'd --<a href="/wiki/User:Bazzargh" title="User:Bazzargh">Bazzargh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bazzargh" title="User talk:Bazzargh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T16:11:00.000Z-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T15:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 5 February 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T16:11:00.000Z-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T15:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T16:11:00.000Z-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T15:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T22:35:00.000Z-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T16:11:00.000Z"></span>After some discussion with the pages author on my <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bazzargh" title="User talk:Bazzargh">talk</a> page, I'm changing this to a proposed deletion --<a href="/wiki/User:Bazzargh" title="User:Bazzargh">Bazzargh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bazzargh" title="User talk:Bazzargh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T22:35:00.000Z-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T16:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 5 February 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T22:35:00.000Z-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T16:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T22:35:00.000Z-Bazzargh-2008-02-05T16:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Possible_photo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Possible_photo-2008-04-22T19:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Possible_photo-2008-04-22T19:22:00.000Z"></span>Possible photo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Possible_photo-2008-04-22T19:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-89.1.72.27-2008-04-22T19:22:00.000Z-Possible_photo"></span> Is this a good photo to place under this article ? </p><figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Arifat_rosh_001.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Arifat_rosh_001.jpg/220px-Arifat_rosh_001.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="255" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Arifat_rosh_001.jpg/330px-Arifat_rosh_001.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Arifat_rosh_001.jpg/440px-Arifat_rosh_001.jpg 2x" data-file-width="516" data-file-height="599"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/89.1.72.27" title="Special:Contributions/89.1.72.27">89.1.72.27</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:89.1.72.27&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:89.1.72.27 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-89.1.72.27-2008-04-22T19:22:00.000Z-Possible_photo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-89.1.72.27-2008-04-22T19:22:00.000Z-Possible_photo"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-89.1.72.27-2008-04-22T19:22:00.000Z-Possible_photo"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Shogun"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Shogun"-2008-04-29T00:42:00.000Z"><span id=".22Shogun.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Shogun"-2008-04-29T00:42:00.000Z"></span>"Shogun"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Shogun"-2008-04-29T00:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.138.130.48-2008-04-29T00:42:00.000Z-"Shogun""></span>The novel Shogun is a fictional story making it an unreliable source to cite in this article. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.138.130.48" title="Special:Contributions/71.138.130.48">71.138.130.48</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:71.138.130.48&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:71.138.130.48 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-71.138.130.48-2008-04-29T00:42:00.000Z-"Shogun"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.138.130.48-2008-04-29T00:42:00.000Z-"Shogun""></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.138.130.48-2008-04-29T00:42:00.000Z-"Shogun""></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Link_to_the_"East_London_Decapitator"?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Link_to_the_"East_London_Decapitator"?-2008-06-17T00:39:00.000Z"><span id="Link_to_the_.22East_London_Decapitator.22.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Link_to_the_"East_London_Decapitator"?-2008-06-17T00:39:00.000Z"></span>Link to the "East London Decapitator"?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Link_to_the_"East_London_Decapitator"?-2008-06-17T00:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lasse_Havelund-2008-06-17T00:39:00.000Z-Link_to_the_"East_London_Decapitator"?"></span>In the #External_links section, there's a link to a <a href="/wiki/Flickr" title="Flickr">Flickr</a> profile of someone who calls himself the "East London Decapitator" - how is this link relevant? <em>— <a href="/wiki/User:Lasse_Havelund" title="User:Lasse Havelund">Lasse Havelund</a> (<a href="/wiki/User:Lasse_Havelund" title="User:Lasse Havelund">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lasse_Havelund" title="Special:Contributions/Lasse Havelund">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lasse_Havelund" title="Special:Contributions/Lasse Havelund">c</a>)</em> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Lasse_Havelund-2008-06-17T00:39:00.000Z-Link_to_the_"East_London_Decapitator"?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lasse_Havelund-2008-06-17T00:39:00.000Z-Link_to_the_"East_London_Decapitator"?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lasse_Havelund-2008-06-17T00:39:00.000Z-Link_to_the_"East_London_Decapitator"?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NailPuppy-2008-08-03T21:00:00.000Z-Lasse_Havelund-2008-06-17T00:39:00.000Z"></span>It appears that it is a collection of photographs from someone who defaces/decapitates advertisements in East London. While I can't say for sure if it belongs here it looks interesting and at least somewhat relevant to the article. <a href="/wiki/User:NailPuppy" title="User:NailPuppy">NailPuppy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NailPuppy" title="User talk:NailPuppy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-NailPuppy-2008-08-03T21:00:00.000Z-Lasse_Havelund-2008-06-17T00:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 3 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NailPuppy-2008-08-03T21:00:00.000Z-Lasse_Havelund-2008-06-17T00:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NailPuppy-2008-08-03T21:00:00.000Z-Lasse_Havelund-2008-06-17T00:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Russian_example" data-mw-thread-id="h-Russian_example-2008-08-11T19:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Russian_example-2008-08-11T19:07:00.000Z"></span>Russian example<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Russian_example-2008-08-11T19:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-23skidoo-2008-08-11T19:07:00.000Z-Russian_example"></span>Under the "notable people" section, there was one I had to remove. I removed: <i> In August 2007 a video surfaced on the Internet of Russian neo-Nazis beheading a one man and shooting one other. One of the men was from Dagestan and the other, from Tajikistan. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6946810.stm">[5]</a></i> for two reasons: 1. There is nothing to indicate these two individuals were notable and 2. The source cited makes no reference to this being decapitation. <a href="/wiki/User:23skidoo" title="User:23skidoo">23skidoo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:23skidoo" title="User talk:23skidoo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-23skidoo-2008-08-11T19:07:00.000Z-Russian_example" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-23skidoo-2008-08-11T19:07:00.000Z-Russian_example"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-23skidoo-2008-08-11T19:07:00.000Z-Russian_example"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removal_of_part_of_a_section_on_decapitation_in_Iraq" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removal_of_part_of_a_section_on_decapitation_in_Iraq-2008-08-21T13:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removal_of_part_of_a_section_on_decapitation_in_Iraq-2008-08-21T13:34:00.000Z"></span>Removal of part of a section on decapitation in Iraq<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removal_of_part_of_a_section_on_decapitation_in_Iraq-2008-08-21T13:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ramdrake-2008-08-21T13:34:00.000Z-Removal_of_part_of_a_section_on_decapitation_in_Iraq"></span>I removed the edit because first it was unsourced or improperly sourced: reading thorugh the sources, they did not say what was being affirmed in the paragraph. Second, it contained several errors: the <a href="/wiki/Zabihah" class="mw-redirect" title="Zabihah">Zabihah</a> is performed with a slicing, not a sawing motion. The execution of the animal is meant to drain it from as much as possible of its blood, granted, but the addition "before the heart stops" is both dubious and unnecessary. And lastly but most importantly, it is done to <b>minimize</b> the pain of the execution (short of stunning) for the animal, which is plain contrary to what the original editor stated in the paragraph.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ramdrake" title="User:Ramdrake">Ramdrake</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ramdrake" title="User talk:Ramdrake">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Ramdrake-2008-08-21T13:34:00.000Z-Removal_of_part_of_a_section_on_decapitation_in_Iraq" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:34, 21 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ramdrake-2008-08-21T13:34:00.000Z-Removal_of_part_of_a_section_on_decapitation_in_Iraq"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ramdrake-2008-08-21T13:34:00.000Z-Removal_of_part_of_a_section_on_decapitation_in_Iraq"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Frisia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Frisia-2008-09-29T12:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Frisia-2008-09-29T12:04:00.000Z"></span>Frisia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Frisia-2008-09-29T12:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c--The_Bold_Guy--2008-09-29T12:04:00.000Z-Frisia"></span>I added a section on beheadings in Frisia during the <a href="/wiki/Frisian_peasants_rebellion" class="mw-redirect" title="Frisian peasants rebellion">Frisian peasants rebellion</a> from 1515 - 1523 in which <a href="/wiki/Pier_Gerlofs_Donia" title="Pier Gerlofs Donia">Pier Gerlofs Donia</a> beheaded muany enemies. Ironically, his successor and co-founder <a href="/wiki/Wijard_Jelckama" class="mw-redirect" title="Wijard Jelckama">Wijard Jelckama</a> was beheaded himself in 1523, ending the rebellion. I also included an image of a statue of the man himself. Just to inform you people here. <a href="/wiki/User:-The_Bold_Guy-" title="User:-The Bold Guy-">-The Bold Guy-</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:-The_Bold_Guy-" title="User talk:-The Bold Guy-">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c--The_Bold_Guy--2008-09-29T12:04:00.000Z-Frisia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:04, 29 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c--The_Bold_Guy--2008-09-29T12:04:00.000Z-Frisia"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c--The_Bold_Guy--2008-09-29T12:04:00.000Z-Frisia"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="History:Japan" data-mw-thread-id="h-History:Japan-2008-10-17T13:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-History:Japan-2008-10-17T13:55:00.000Z"></span>History:Japan<span data-mw-comment-end="h-History:Japan-2008-10-17T13:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grassynoel-2008-10-17T13:55:00.000Z-History:Japan"></span>Part of this belongs in the Modern World section. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Grassynoel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Grassynoel (page does not exist)">Grassynoel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grassynoel" title="User talk:Grassynoel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Grassynoel-2008-10-17T13:55:00.000Z-History:Japan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 17 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grassynoel-2008-10-17T13:55:00.000Z-History:Japan"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grassynoel-2008-10-17T13:55:00.000Z-History:Japan"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Celts" data-mw-thread-id="h-Celts-2008-11-28T12:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Celts-2008-11-28T12:49:00.000Z"></span>Celts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Celts-2008-11-28T12:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lianachan-2008-11-28T12:49:00.000Z-Celts"></span>There's surprisingly little (in fact, nothing at all) about the veneration (and collection) of heads by those in the European Celtic cultures. This was widespread in the British Isles. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Lianachan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Lianachan (page does not exist)">Lianachan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lianachan" title="User talk:Lianachan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Lianachan-2008-11-28T12:49:00.000Z-Celts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lianachan-2008-11-28T12:49:00.000Z-Celts"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lianachan-2008-11-28T12:49:00.000Z-Celts"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="never_reverted_vandalism" data-mw-thread-id="h-never_reverted_vandalism-2009-01-15T14:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-never_reverted_vandalism-2009-01-15T14:38:00.000Z"></span>never reverted vandalism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-never_reverted_vandalism-2009-01-15T14:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decapitation&diff=252047518&oldid=251858798"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheFEARgod-2009-01-15T14:38:00.000Z-never_reverted_vandalism"></span>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decapitation&diff=252047518&oldid=251858798</a> shame. --<a href="/wiki/User:TheFEARgod" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheFEARgod"><span style="color:#003399;">The<b>FE</b></span><span style="color:red;"><b>AR</b>god</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheFEARgod" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:TheFEARgod"><b>Ч</b></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-TheFEARgod-2009-01-15T14:38:00.000Z-never_reverted_vandalism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheFEARgod-2009-01-15T14:38:00.000Z-never_reverted_vandalism"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheFEARgod-2009-01-15T14:38:00.000Z-never_reverted_vandalism"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="US" data-mw-thread-id="h-US-2009-02-21T23:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-US-2009-02-21T23:46:00.000Z"></span>US<span data-mw-comment-end="h-US-2009-02-21T23:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-70.226.173.133-2009-02-21T23:46:00.000Z-US"></span>I think corpses in parts of New England were decapitated for some time for fear they were vampires. Not sure if it should be added. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.226.173.133" title="Special:Contributions/70.226.173.133">70.226.173.133</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:70.226.173.133&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:70.226.173.133 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-70.226.173.133-2009-02-21T23:46:00.000Z-US" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-70.226.173.133-2009-02-21T23:46:00.000Z-US"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-70.226.173.133-2009-02-21T23:46:00.000Z-US"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="England/Britain!" data-mw-thread-id="h-England/Britain!-2009-02-23T17:12:00.000Z"><span id="England.2FBritain.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-England/Britain!-2009-02-23T17:12:00.000Z"></span>England/Britain!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-England/Britain!-2009-02-23T17:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.64.184.16-2009-02-23T17:12:00.000Z-England/Britain!"></span>it says very little if anything about decapition in england, which looking at how long the list is compared to other countrys in the <a href="/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_been_beheaded" class="mw-redirect" title="List of people who have been beheaded">List of people who have been beheaded</a> artical, Germany has a section. So in short can we add sections about england/britian and france. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/84.64.184.16" title="Special:Contributions/84.64.184.16">84.64.184.16</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:84.64.184.16#top" title="User talk:84.64.184.16">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-84.64.184.16-2009-02-23T17:12:00.000Z-England/Britain!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 23 February 2009 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84.64.184.16-2009-02-23T17:12:00.000Z-England/Britain!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-84.64.184.16-2009-02-23T17:12:00.000Z-England/Britain!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="History" data-mw-thread-id="h-History-2009-05-15T20:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-History-2009-05-15T20:49:00.000Z"></span>History<span data-mw-comment-end="h-History-2009-05-15T20:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Faro0485-2009-05-15T20:49:00.000Z-History"></span>Should we perhaps summarize cases, such as what type of people decapitate, rather than individual cases? <a href="/wiki/User:Faro0485" title="User:Faro0485">Faro0485</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Faro0485" title="User talk:Faro0485">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Faro0485-2009-05-15T20:49:00.000Z-History" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Faro0485-2009-05-15T20:49:00.000Z-History"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Faro0485-2009-05-15T20:49:00.000Z-History"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Santorini" data-mw-thread-id="h-Santorini-2009-10-15T18:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Santorini-2009-10-15T18:19:00.000Z"></span>Santorini<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Santorini-2009-10-15T18:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unfree-2009-10-15T18:19:00.000Z-Santorini"></span>The incident in Santorini, Greece, in August, 2008, deserves mention. <a href="/wiki/User:Unfree" title="User:Unfree">Unfree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Unfree" title="User talk:Unfree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Unfree-2009-10-15T18:19:00.000Z-Santorini" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 15 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unfree-2009-10-15T18:19:00.000Z-Santorini"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unfree-2009-10-15T18:19:00.000Z-Santorini"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="American_patent" data-mw-thread-id="h-American_patent-2007-08-27T13:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-American_patent-2007-08-27T13:19:00.000Z"></span>American patent<span data-mw-comment-end="h-American_patent-2007-08-27T13:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sensemaker-2007-08-27T13:19:00.000Z-American_patent"></span>The article says: "There is no way to provide life support for a severed head with current medical techniques, although, in 1987, an American patent was granted for a device designed to provide "physical and biochemical support for an animal's head which has been "discorporated" (i.e., severed from its body)."" </p><p>Well, I work with patents and I can assure you that this is not relevant. The patent offices of the world do not test machines to see if they work. Why should they? A patent of a non-working machine is worthless so if some fool wishes to waste money this way, it is his problem. Sometimes they do require further explanation if an invention seems to contradict the basic laws of science such as perpettum mobile machines. So the fact that US patent office has granted this patent is not a valid argument that it works. There are actually plenty of non-working patents out there. I'm removing this text. It is misleading in its current form. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Sensemaker" title="User:Sensemaker">Sensemaker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sensemaker#top" title="User talk:Sensemaker">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sensemaker" title="Special:Contributions/Sensemaker">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Sensemaker-2007-08-27T13:19:00.000Z-American_patent" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sensemaker-2007-08-27T13:19:00.000Z-American_patent"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sensemaker-2007-08-27T13:19:00.000Z-American_patent"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unfree-2009-10-15T18:30:00.000Z-Sensemaker-2007-08-27T13:19:00.000Z"></span>The American patent office has refused to consider perpetual motion machines for a long time. <a href="/wiki/User:Unfree" title="User:Unfree">Unfree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Unfree" title="User talk:Unfree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Unfree-2009-10-15T18:30:00.000Z-Sensemaker-2007-08-27T13:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 15 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unfree-2009-10-15T18:30:00.000Z-Sensemaker-2007-08-27T13:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unfree-2009-10-15T18:30:00.000Z-Sensemaker-2007-08-27T13:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="State_vs_Extremist" data-mw-thread-id="h-State_vs_Extremist-2006-05-20T15:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-State_vs_Extremist-2006-05-20T15:24:00.000Z"></span>State vs Extremist<span data-mw-comment-end="h-State_vs_Extremist-2006-05-20T15:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MingMecca-2006-05-20T15:24:00.000Z-State_vs_Extremist"></span>Shouldn't there be a distinction between state-sponsored decapitations and those executed by an extremist / terrorist group? This would be under "Decapitation in the modern world" -brain <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:MingMecca" title="User:MingMecca">MingMecca</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MingMecca#top" title="User talk:MingMecca">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MingMecca" title="Special:Contributions/MingMecca">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-MingMecca-2006-05-20T15:24:00.000Z-State_vs_Extremist" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MingMecca-2006-05-20T15:24:00.000Z-State_vs_Extremist"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MingMecca-2006-05-20T15:24:00.000Z-State_vs_Extremist"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-72.70.83.233-2006-06-21T05:24:00.000Z-State_vs_Extremist"></span>I agree, a distinction should be made between capital punishment and beheadings carried out by individuals with no judicial process. -sean <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.70.83.233" title="Special:Contributions/72.70.83.233">72.70.83.233</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:72.70.83.233&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:72.70.83.233 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-72.70.83.233-2006-06-21T05:24:00.000Z-State_vs_Extremist" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)</a> </small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-72.70.83.233-2006-06-21T05:24:00.000Z-State_vs_Extremist"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-72.70.83.233-2006-06-21T05:24:00.000Z-State_vs_Extremist"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-94.139.21.154-2009-10-27T04:41:00.000Z-State_vs_Extremist"></span>I disagree-where is the difference ? Ghandhi <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.139.21.154" title="Special:Contributions/94.139.21.154">94.139.21.154</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:94.139.21.154&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:94.139.21.154 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-94.139.21.154-2009-10-27T04:41:00.000Z-State_vs_Extremist" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:41, 27 October 2009 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-94.139.21.154-2009-10-27T04:41:00.000Z-State_vs_Extremist"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-94.139.21.154-2009-10-27T04:41:00.000Z-State_vs_Extremist"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removed-2010-04-01T23:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removed-2010-04-01T23:32:00.000Z"></span>Removed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removed-2010-04-01T23:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Matt_Deres-2010-04-01T23:32:00.000Z-Removed"></span>I've removed the following piece from the article: </p> <blockquote> <p>The soldiers were part of a small force of 13 Russian soldiers that were guarding a small Russian compound near Dagestan. The small squad of only 13 soldiers were on patrol, or doing perimeter checks on the compound, when a large force of Chechen Rebels ambushed the Russians, with overwhelming firepower. A majority of the Russian soldiers fled completely and were not followed by the Chechen Rebels. A total of 6 brave and young soldiers fought back with the little amount of ammo that they had. Eventually the Russian soldiers ran out of ammo, and decided they were going to surrender. The Rebels accepted their "surrender" and lied to the Russians that they would be treated according to the Geneva Convention, and POW rules of human rights. That never happened, the Russians were beaten harshly and had their hands tied behind their backs. (WARNING: The following events are completely truthful and in no way racist towards Muslims, or Islams, And the follow details of this cruel and disturbing event is graphic in nature and very violent. Parents please supervise any one under +18. This is intended for Mature Viewers Only +18.) </p><p>Following the Russian soldier's surrender, the Chechen Rebels tied the Russian soldier's hand behind their back, and took them on top of a small hill in a near by field. After that, the Rebels slowly and cruely used knives to cut the throats of the Russians until the Russian soldier's heads were almost completely cut off. One of the soldiers, a young first Lieutenant had his throat slit but it wasn't a proper cut, and the young soldier's blood gush and pooled all around his head and neck. Also the Russian was laid face down and began to slowly drown in his own pool of blood, until he managed to whimper a few muffled crys and flip over on his back with blood everywhere. Earlier the first Russian that was executed put up a struggle and wrestled with his captors and made a failed escape when a rebel slammed a rifle butt into the Russian's face, breaking his nose and right after the Russian fell down a Chechen Rebel cut and slit his throat, and neck with a knife. This was filmed by an Iraqi "Gun for Hire." Towards the end of the video the 5th Russian managed somehow to weakly stand up and break free from the Rebels. The Russian was bleeding to death from his slit throat and managed to break free and as he began to run, a rebel shot the Russian in the back which killed the Russian instantly. The youngest Russian that was captured and killed was 18 years old. </p><p>The group of Chechen Rebels that preformed this cruel act were killed in a counter attack, and ambush by Russian forces later that year. (These events took place in 1999.) Only one of the Chechen Rebels was arrested, and that was the leader of the Chechen group that carried out the killings. The Russian military arrested him in 2001, he had fled to the wartorn Eastern European nation of Georgia. He is serving a 8 year kidnapping sentence, along with the charges for Crimes against Humanity that took place in that field when they killed the Russian Soldiers. </p> </blockquote> <p>Even ignoring the NPOV problems and incorrect tone, this is too much detail for any specific incident; we can't have a quarter of the article devoted to a single incident. <a href="/wiki/User:Matt_Deres" title="User:Matt Deres">Matt Deres</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matt_Deres" title="User talk:Matt Deres">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Matt_Deres-2010-04-01T23:32:00.000Z-Removed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Matt_Deres-2010-04-01T23:32:00.000Z-Removed"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Matt_Deres-2010-04-01T23:32:00.000Z-Removed"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Judicial_and_terrorist_beheading" data-mw-thread-id="h-Judicial_and_terrorist_beheading-2010-05-24T08:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Judicial_and_terrorist_beheading-2010-05-24T08:41:00.000Z"></span>Judicial and terrorist beheading<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Judicial_and_terrorist_beheading-2010-05-24T08:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JanDeFietser-2010-05-24T08:41:00.000Z-Judicial_and_terrorist_beheading"></span>My opinion is that we should distinguish between the "regular" decapitation as a form of <a href="/wiki/Capital_punishment" title="Capital punishment">capital punishment</a>, regardless of any opinion on the topic of capital punishment itself, on one side and the brute beheading as performed by non-state actors as <a href="/wiki/Terrorism" title="Terrorism">terrorists</a> and <a href="/wiki/War_crime" title="War crime">war criminals</a> on the other side. </p><p>Of beheading of the latter category videos are published with the purpose of propaganda and intimidation: both by the terrorist as well as their opponents who publish them to expose their brutality and arouse indignation (shown on the website www.truthTube.tv) etc. --<a href="/wiki/User:JanDeFietser" title="User:JanDeFietser">JanDeFietser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JanDeFietser" title="User talk:JanDeFietser">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-JanDeFietser-2010-05-24T08:41:00.000Z-Judicial_and_terrorist_beheading" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:41, 24 May 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JanDeFietser-2010-05-24T08:41:00.000Z-Judicial_and_terrorist_beheading"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JanDeFietser-2010-05-24T08:41:00.000Z-Judicial_and_terrorist_beheading"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Japanese_example" data-mw-thread-id="h-Japanese_example-2010-06-17T18:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Japanese_example-2010-06-17T18:29:00.000Z"></span>Japanese example<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Japanese_example-2010-06-17T18:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hkwon-2010-06-17T18:29:00.000Z-Japanese_example"></span>I am correcting a couple of errors on historical facts in this section. </p><p>1) Decapitation (without seppuku) was not considered the severest and most degrading form of punishment. <a href="/wiki/Crucifixion" title="Crucifixion">Crucifixion</a> was considered more severe and degrading.<br/> 2) It is not historically true that <a href="/wiki/Ishida_Mitsunari" title="Ishida Mitsunari">Ishida Mitsunari</a> was buried in the ground and decapitated with a saw. Well-known examples to which the described execution method (nokogiribiki; 鋸引き) was applied include executions of Sugitani Jenjubo (<a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9D%89%E8%B0%B7%E5%96%84%E4%BD%8F%E5%9D%8A" class="extiw" title="ja:杉谷善住坊">ja:杉谷善住坊</a>), who attempted to assassinate <a href="/wiki/Oda_Nobunaga" title="Oda Nobunaga">Oda Nobunaga</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Oga_Yashiro" title="Oga Yashiro">Oga Yashiro</a>, a traitor to <a href="/wiki/Tokugawa" class="mw-disambig" title="Tokugawa">Tokugawa</a> clan. Ishida was executed by normal beheading. <a href="/wiki/User:Hkwon" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hkwon">Hkwon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hkwon" title="User talk:Hkwon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Hkwon-2010-06-17T18:29:00.000Z-Japanese_example" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 17 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hkwon-2010-06-17T18:29:00.000Z-Japanese_example"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hkwon-2010-06-17T18:29:00.000Z-Japanese_example"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Photo_of_beheaded_and_dismembered_corpses" data-mw-thread-id="h-Photo_of_beheaded_and_dismembered_corpses-2010-09-30T17:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Photo_of_beheaded_and_dismembered_corpses-2010-09-30T17:16:00.000Z"></span>Photo of beheaded and dismembered corpses<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Photo_of_beheaded_and_dismembered_corpses-2010-09-30T17:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Parmadil-2010-09-30T17:16:00.000Z-Photo_of_beheaded_and_dismembered_corpses"></span>Do we really need something so graphic here? I'm sure there are plenty of other illustrations that could be used. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Parmadil" title="User:Parmadil">Parmadil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Parmadil" title="User talk:Parmadil">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Parmadil" title="Special:Contributions/Parmadil">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Parmadil-2010-09-30T17:16:00.000Z-Photo_of_beheaded_and_dismembered_corpses" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Parmadil-2010-09-30T17:16:00.000Z-Photo_of_beheaded_and_dismembered_corpses"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Parmadil-2010-09-30T17:16:00.000Z-Photo_of_beheaded_and_dismembered_corpses"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DarkLordWaffles-2010-10-10T05:19:00.000Z-Photo_of_beheaded_and_dismembered_corpses"></span>I am extremely baffled. What purpose does this serve? Where did this come from? What's the story behind the obviously Photoshopped picture?? What is this doing on the page??? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:DarkLordWaffles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:DarkLordWaffles (page does not exist)">DarkLordWaffles</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DarkLordWaffles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:DarkLordWaffles (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/DarkLordWaffles" title="Special:Contributions/DarkLordWaffles">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-DarkLordWaffles-2010-10-10T05:19:00.000Z-Photo_of_beheaded_and_dismembered_corpses" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:19, 10 October 2010 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DarkLordWaffles-2010-10-10T05:19:00.000Z-Photo_of_beheaded_and_dismembered_corpses"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DarkLordWaffles-2010-10-10T05:19:00.000Z-Photo_of_beheaded_and_dismembered_corpses"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ianmacm-2010-10-10T06:21:00.000Z-DarkLordWaffles-2010-10-10T05:19:00.000Z"></span>The image Bodyparts.jpg is causing controversy (also in the section above). I would dispute that it is fake and photoshopped, but there are concerns about whether it is really necessary for the article. What do other users think? The image is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bodyparts.jpg">here</a>, not for the easily offended.--<i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Ianmacm" title="User:Ianmacm"><span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ianmacm" title="User talk:Ianmacm">(talk to me)</a></sup></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Ianmacm-2010-10-10T06:21:00.000Z-DarkLordWaffles-2010-10-10T05:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ianmacm-2010-10-10T06:21:00.000Z-DarkLordWaffles-2010-10-10T05:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ianmacm-2010-10-10T06:21:00.000Z-DarkLordWaffles-2010-10-10T05:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Richwales-2010-10-11T05:47:00.000Z-Ianmacm-2010-10-10T06:21:00.000Z"></span>Aside from possible questions of ghastliness, I don't think this image is appropriate here because it doesn't deal specifically with decapitation (the torsos have had the arms and legs removed in addition to the heads). <a href="/wiki/User:Richwales" title="User:Richwales">Richwales</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Richwales" title="User talk:Richwales">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Richwales" title="Special:Contributions/Richwales">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Richwales-2010-10-11T05:47:00.000Z-Ianmacm-2010-10-10T06:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:47, 11 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Richwales-2010-10-11T05:47:00.000Z-Ianmacm-2010-10-10T06:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Richwales-2010-10-11T05:47:00.000Z-Ianmacm-2010-10-10T06:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TJRC-2010-10-11T19:50:00.000Z-Richwales-2010-10-11T05:47:00.000Z"></span>First, a note for others joining the conversation and wondering what image we're talking about; it's <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Bodyparts.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Bodyparts.jpg (page does not exist)">File:Bodyparts.jpg</a>. (If I'm wrong, please correct me; it's important that we're all discussing the same image.)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>My take is that it should remain <b>out</b> of the article. I'm not offended by its goriness; decapitation is gory. But I'm with <a href="/wiki/User:Richwales" title="User:Richwales">Richwales</a> here; the photo does not really illustrate mere decapitation; it's more <a href="/wiki/Dismemberment" title="Dismemberment">dismemberment</a>. It doesn't seem point-on to this article. As a side note, I am skeptical of the claim that it is an original work of the uploader, as stated on <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bodyparts.jpg" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Bodyparts.jpg">commons:File:Bodyparts.jpg</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:TJRC" title="User:TJRC">TJRC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TJRC" title="User talk:TJRC">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-TJRC-2010-10-11T19:50:00.000Z-Richwales-2010-10-11T05:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TJRC-2010-10-11T19:50:00.000Z-Richwales-2010-10-11T05:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TJRC-2010-10-11T19:50:00.000Z-Richwales-2010-10-11T05:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TJRC-2010-10-18T21:44:00.000Z-Richwales-2010-10-11T05:47:00.000Z"></span>Followup</b>: I raised my concerns about the copyright at commons, see <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Bodyparts.jpg" class="extiw" title="commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Bodyparts.jpg">Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Bodyparts.jpg</a>; and the file was subsequently deleted. <a href="/wiki/User:TJRC" title="User:TJRC">TJRC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TJRC" title="User talk:TJRC">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-TJRC-2010-10-18T21:44:00.000Z-Richwales-2010-10-11T05:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 18 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TJRC-2010-10-18T21:44:00.000Z-Richwales-2010-10-11T05:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TJRC-2010-10-18T21:44:00.000Z-Richwales-2010-10-11T05:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Srebrenica_massacre" data-mw-thread-id="h-Srebrenica_massacre-2012-05-02T16:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Srebrenica_massacre-2012-05-02T16:28:00.000Z"></span>Srebrenica massacre<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Srebrenica_massacre-2012-05-02T16:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Richwales-2012-05-02T16:28:00.000Z-Srebrenica_massacre"></span>Hi. An IP editor has been repeatedly making <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decapitation&diff=490264279&oldid=490162074">changes</a> to the "Bosnia and Herzegovina" section which remove all existing mention of decapitation during the <a href="/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre" title="Srebrenica massacre">Srebrenica massacre</a> and replace the existing text with a general summary description of the incident and its status as an act of genocide. While this new material is probably appropriate in some other articles, IMO it <i><b>does not belong here</b></i> — and it certainly doesn't belong here if it is going to displace a focussed description of the use of decapitation during the Srebrenica massacre (together with appropriate references to presumably reliable sources). I don't want to see an edit war happen here, but the issue seems to me to be pretty cut and dried, and I think it might validly be said that this sort of change — which the IP editor redid even after having been notified of the concern on the IP address's talk page — goes beyond a content dispute and borders on vandalism. What do others think? </p><p>I should probably also mention that, to the extent that problems with this article touch on the general subject of the Balkans, the ArbCom <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AC/DS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AC/DS">discretionary sanctions</a> arising from the Macedonia case would apply here (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBMAC#Standard_discretionary_sanctions" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBMAC">WP:ARBMAC#Standard discretionary sanctions</a>). Yes, I know Bosnia/Herzegovina is not in Macedonia, but please note that this particular ArbCom sanction applies generally to "topics related to the Balkans, broadly interpreted" and <i><b>not</b></i> exclusively to the subject of that particular case (Macedonia). — <a href="/wiki/User:Richwales" title="User:Richwales"><u>Rich</u></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Richwales" title="User talk:Richwales">wales</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Richwales-2012-05-02T16:28:00.000Z-Srebrenica_massacre" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Richwales-2012-05-02T16:28:00.000Z-Srebrenica_massacre"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Richwales-2012-05-02T16:28:00.000Z-Srebrenica_massacre"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TJRC-2012-05-02T19:32:00.000Z-Richwales-2012-05-02T16:28:00.000Z"></span>I agree, the material that has nothing to do with decapitation does not belong in the article. I'm not familiar with the ArbCom matter and express no opinion on it one way or he other. <a href="/wiki/User:TJRC" title="User:TJRC">TJRC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TJRC" title="User talk:TJRC">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-TJRC-2012-05-02T19:32:00.000Z-Richwales-2012-05-02T16:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 2 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TJRC-2012-05-02T19:32:00.000Z-Richwales-2012-05-02T16:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TJRC-2012-05-02T19:32:00.000Z-Richwales-2012-05-02T16:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Richwales-2012-05-03T15:06:00.000Z-TJRC-2012-05-02T19:32:00.000Z"></span>The IP editor did the same thing again, without any attempt to acknowledge or discuss the matter either on the IP address's talk page, my talk page, or this article's talk page, and without any explanation via an edit summary. I have reverted the edit, blocked the IP for one week, and logged what I did as an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AE">arbitration enforcement</a> action at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBMAC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBMAC">WP:ARBMAC</a>. I considered an article ban instead of a block, but I concluded the IP's prolonged refusal to engage anyone meant he was unlikely to pay any attention to a ban. If similar disruptive editing of this page continues via a different IP or a brand new account, I believe the next step should be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SEMI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SEMI">semi-protection</a> of the article. — <a href="/wiki/User:Richwales" title="User:Richwales"><u>Rich</u></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Richwales" title="User talk:Richwales">wales</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Richwales-2012-05-03T15:06:00.000Z-TJRC-2012-05-02T19:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 3 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Richwales-2012-05-03T15:06:00.000Z-TJRC-2012-05-02T19:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Richwales-2012-05-03T15:06:00.000Z-TJRC-2012-05-02T19:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Use_of_"often"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Use_of_"often"-2007-06-14T04:04:00.000Z"><span id="Use_of_.22often.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Use_of_"often"-2007-06-14T04:04:00.000Z"></span>Use of "often"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Use_of_"often"-2007-06-14T04:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-169.199.106.20-2007-06-14T04:04:00.000Z-Use_of_"often""></span>Separation of the head from the rest of the body <b>often</b> results in death in humans. </p><p><i>often!?</i> --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Il_hamster&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Il hamster (page does not exist)">Il hamster</a> 08:16, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC) </p><p><br/> </p> <dl><dd>Often, or almost always. However, it is possible to survive an <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/05/23/news/local/doc46538b42329b2339623435.txt"><i>internal</i> decapitation</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:169.199.106.20&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:169.199.106.20 (page does not exist)">169.199.106.20</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-169.199.106.20-2007-06-14T04:04:00.000Z-Use_of_"often"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-169.199.106.20-2007-06-14T04:04:00.000Z-Use_of_"often""></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-169.199.106.20-2007-06-14T04:04:00.000Z-Use_of_"often""></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mylittlezach-2012-05-09T02:46:00.000Z-Use_of_"often""></span>That link is dead. I do not believe that is true. The brain needs oxygen which is why you have 'brain death' if you have a lack of oxygen and your heart starts to beat again. Cut that oxygen and the brain is dead. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mylittlezach&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mylittlezach (page does not exist)">Mylittlezach</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mylittlezach" title="User talk:Mylittlezach">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Mylittlezach-2012-05-09T02:46:00.000Z-Use_of_"often"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:46, 9 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mylittlezach-2012-05-09T02:46:00.000Z-Use_of_"often""></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mylittlezach-2012-05-09T02:46:00.000Z-Use_of_"often""></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Internal_Decapitation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Internal_Decapitation-2006-06-12T04:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Internal_Decapitation-2006-06-12T04:29:00.000Z"></span>Internal Decapitation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Internal_Decapitation-2006-06-12T04:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-209.152.99.61-2006-06-12T04:29:00.000Z-Internal_Decapitation"></span>This article does not mention a rare, but related, injury called internal decapitation. Nor is there an article on the subject. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/209.152.99.61" title="Special:Contributions/209.152.99.61">209.152.99.61</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:209.152.99.61&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:209.152.99.61 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-209.152.99.61-2006-06-12T04:29:00.000Z-Internal_Decapitation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-209.152.99.61-2006-06-12T04:29:00.000Z-Internal_Decapitation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-209.152.99.61-2006-06-12T04:29:00.000Z-Internal_Decapitation"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shtove-2006-06-12T07:28:00.000Z-209.152.99.61-2006-06-12T04:29:00.000Z"></span>More info, please.--<a href="/wiki/User:Shtove" title="User:Shtove">Shtove</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Shtove-2006-06-12T07:28:00.000Z-209.152.99.61-2006-06-12T04:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:28, 12 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shtove-2006-06-12T07:28:00.000Z-209.152.99.61-2006-06-12T04:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shtove-2006-06-12T07:28:00.000Z-209.152.99.61-2006-06-12T04:29:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-70.176.194.33-2006-10-12T09:45:00.000Z-Internal_Decapitation"></span>It's where the spine is severed inside the neck, but no outward damage is observed. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.176.194.33" title="Special:Contributions/70.176.194.33">70.176.194.33</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:70.176.194.33&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:70.176.194.33 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-70.176.194.33-2006-10-12T09:45:00.000Z-Internal_Decapitation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:45, 12 October 2006 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-70.176.194.33-2006-10-12T09:45:00.000Z-Internal_Decapitation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-70.176.194.33-2006-10-12T09:45:00.000Z-Internal_Decapitation"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-172.143.165.183-2006-11-30T18:22:00.000Z-Internal_Decapitation"></span>the "spine" is not severed - the atlanto-occipital joint suffers a dislocation with resultant tearing of ligaments. <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanto-occipital_joint">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanto-occipital_joint</a> damage to the spinal cord is dependent on the severity of the dislocation - cases range from nearly full recovery to death. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/172.143.165.183" title="Special:Contributions/172.143.165.183">172.143.165.183</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:172.143.165.183&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:172.143.165.183 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-172.143.165.183-2006-11-30T18:22:00.000Z-Internal_Decapitation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-172.143.165.183-2006-11-30T18:22:00.000Z-Internal_Decapitation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-172.143.165.183-2006-11-30T18:22:00.000Z-Internal_Decapitation"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mylittlezach-2012-05-09T02:51:00.000Z-Internal_Decapitation"></span>That does not sound like true decapitation. Sounds like a spinal injury. Decapitation is the severing of the head from the body. Either the head is severed or it is not. I do not believe that 'internal' decapitation belongs in this article at all. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mylittlezach&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mylittlezach (page does not exist)">Mylittlezach</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mylittlezach" title="User talk:Mylittlezach">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Mylittlezach-2012-05-09T02:51:00.000Z-Internal_Decapitation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:51, 9 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mylittlezach-2012-05-09T02:51:00.000Z-Internal_Decapitation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mylittlezach-2012-05-09T02:51:00.000Z-Internal_Decapitation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Can_we_upload_a_mexican_behading_video?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can_we_upload_a_mexican_behading_video?-2012-12-07T04:24:00.000Z"><span id="Can_we_upload_a_mexican_behading_video.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Can_we_upload_a_mexican_behading_video?-2012-12-07T04:24:00.000Z"></span>Can we upload a mexican behading video?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Can_we_upload_a_mexican_behading_video?-2012-12-07T04:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-68.228.240.147-2012-12-07T04:24:00.000Z-Can_we_upload_a_mexican_behading_video?"></span>This article needs it. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.228.240.147" title="Special:Contributions/68.228.240.147">68.228.240.147</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:68.228.240.147&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:68.228.240.147 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-68.228.240.147-2012-12-07T04:24:00.000Z-Can_we_upload_a_mexican_behading_video?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:24, 7 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.228.240.147-2012-12-07T04:24:00.000Z-Can_we_upload_a_mexican_behading_video?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.228.240.147-2012-12-07T04:24:00.000Z-Can_we_upload_a_mexican_behading_video?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Photo_of_beheaded_and_mutilated_heads" data-mw-thread-id="h-Photo_of_beheaded_and_mutilated_heads-2013-03-12T17:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Photo_of_beheaded_and_mutilated_heads-2013-03-12T17:38:00.000Z"></span>Photo of beheaded and mutilated heads<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Photo_of_beheaded_and_mutilated_heads-2013-03-12T17:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-184.175.14.142-2013-03-12T17:38:00.000Z-Photo_of_beheaded_and_mutilated_heads"></span>I just want to register my absolute DISGUST that a photograph was inserted at the bottom of the article of two heads with penises in their mouths. I'm sure someone will try to justify this on "encyclopedic grounds". Utter nonsense. I didn't want to see that, nor did it help me in any way to understand the topic of the article better. And there was no warning. I am removing this bestial photograph immediately and hope no one even thinks of re-inserting it. THE WIKIPEDIA COMMUNITY CAN DO BETTER. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/184.175.14.142" title="Special:Contributions/184.175.14.142">184.175.14.142</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:184.175.14.142&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:184.175.14.142 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-184.175.14.142-2013-03-12T17:38:00.000Z-Photo_of_beheaded_and_mutilated_heads" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 12 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-184.175.14.142-2013-03-12T17:38:00.000Z-Photo_of_beheaded_and_mutilated_heads"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-184.175.14.142-2013-03-12T17:38:00.000Z-Photo_of_beheaded_and_mutilated_heads"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ianmacm-2013-03-12T18:53:00.000Z-184.175.14.142-2013-03-12T17:38:00.000Z"></span>Please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED">WP:NOTCENSORED</a>. Personally, I am in no hurry to put this back, but inclusion would require <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONSENSUS">WP:CONSENSUS</a>.--<i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Ianmacm" title="User:Ianmacm"><span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ianmacm" title="User talk:Ianmacm">(talk to me)</a></sup></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Ianmacm-2013-03-12T18:53:00.000Z-184.175.14.142-2013-03-12T17:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 12 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ianmacm-2013-03-12T18:53:00.000Z-184.175.14.142-2013-03-12T17:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ianmacm-2013-03-12T18:53:00.000Z-184.175.14.142-2013-03-12T17:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-74.176.27.2-2014-02-26T22:43:00.000Z-Photo_of_beheaded_and_mutilated_heads"></span>The pictures are inappropriate for all ages. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.176.27.2" title="Special:Contributions/74.176.27.2">74.176.27.2</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:74.176.27.2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:74.176.27.2 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-74.176.27.2-2014-02-26T22:43:00.000Z-Photo_of_beheaded_and_mutilated_heads" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 26 February 2014 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-74.176.27.2-2014-02-26T22:43:00.000Z-Photo_of_beheaded_and_mutilated_heads"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-74.176.27.2-2014-02-26T22:43:00.000Z-Photo_of_beheaded_and_mutilated_heads"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TJRC-2014-02-26T23:15:00.000Z-74.176.27.2-2014-02-26T22:43:00.000Z"></span>Wikipedia does not aim to limit itself to kids' level. As Ianmacm noted, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED">WP:NOTCENSORED</a> is the relevant policy here. (Clarification: 74.176.27.2 is apparently referring to the general grotesqueness inherent in the depiction of any decapitation. The "two heads with penises in their mouths" referred to in the 12 March 2013 comment above were <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decapitation&diff=543662419&oldid=542774810">removed</a> almost a year ago. I concur with that removal; decapitation can be adequately illustrated without penises in mouths.) <a href="/wiki/User:TJRC" title="User:TJRC">TJRC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TJRC" title="User talk:TJRC">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-TJRC-2014-02-26T23:15:00.000Z-74.176.27.2-2014-02-26T22:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 26 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TJRC-2014-02-26T23:15:00.000Z-74.176.27.2-2014-02-26T22:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TJRC-2014-02-26T23:15:00.000Z-74.176.27.2-2014-02-26T22:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="old_reference" data-mw-thread-id="h-old_reference-2014-12-01T20:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-old_reference-2014-12-01T20:01:00.000Z"></span>old reference<span data-mw-comment-end="h-old_reference-2014-12-01T20:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DGG-2014-12-01T20:01:00.000Z-old_reference"></span>"This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Chambers, Ephraim, ed. (1728). "article name needed". Cyclopædia, or an Universal Dictionary of Arts and Sciences (first ed.). James and John Knapton, et al." is not sufficient. It is necessary to indicate exactly what text has been copied from it, just as for anything else in Wikipedia. Otherwise it fails attribution. (& it would be even better to remove the text, rewrite that part from a modern source, and give the material there as an interesting external link. <b><a href="/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG"> DGG</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DGG" title="User talk:DGG"> talk </a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-DGG-2014-12-01T20:01:00.000Z-old_reference" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DGG-2014-12-01T20:01:00.000Z-old_reference"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DGG-2014-12-01T20:01:00.000Z-old_reference"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Head_transplants_on_monkeys" data-mw-thread-id="h-Head_transplants_on_monkeys-2005-02-12T14:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Head_transplants_on_monkeys-2005-02-12T14:27:00.000Z"></span>Head transplants on monkeys<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Head_transplants_on_monkeys-2005-02-12T14:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jguk-2005-02-12T14:27:00.000Z-Head_transplants_on_monkeys"></span>I thought that whereas monkeys have been kept alive for a few days after a head transplant, they have always remained paralysed after the operation. I'm not sure I'd call that a "successful" operation, <a href="/wiki/User:Jguk" title="User:Jguk">jguk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Jguk-2005-02-12T14:27:00.000Z-Head_transplants_on_monkeys" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 12 February 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jguk-2005-02-12T14:27:00.000Z-Head_transplants_on_monkeys"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jguk-2005-02-12T14:27:00.000Z-Head_transplants_on_monkeys"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Was_the_potentially_mis-sourced_material_checked_against_the_suggested_source?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Was_the_potentially_mis-sourced_material_checked_against_the_suggested_source?-2017-08-02T19:57:00.000Z"><span id="Was_the_potentially_mis-sourced_material_checked_against_the_suggested_source.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Was_the_potentially_mis-sourced_material_checked_against_the_suggested_source?-2017-08-02T19:57:00.000Z"></span>Was the potentially mis-sourced material checked against the suggested source?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Was_the_potentially_mis-sourced_material_checked_against_the_suggested_source?-2017-08-02T19:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoergenB-2017-08-02T19:57:00.000Z-Was_the_potentially_mis-sourced_material_checked_against_the_suggested_source?"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kablammo" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Kablammo">Kablammo</a>:</span> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decapitation&diff=792838907&oldid=792835555">Here</a>, you removed the following material from the <i>United States</i> section: </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Indians and Black slaves were often beheaded during slave revolts or "Indian wars." The most notorious example was during an uprising near New Orleans in 1811. Over 100 slaves were beheaded, and some had hands or feet chopped off before beheading, or were slowly roasted over fires. Many of their heads were then mounted on pikes and left in public as warnings.</dd> <dd>Maryland law required slaves be punished specifically by "brutal" means for the worst crimes, and one way specified as an option was by beheading.</dd> <dd>In the Seminole Wars in Florida, Seminole Indians were sometimes beheaded, the most famous example being Chief Osceola.</dd> <dd>In the California Indian genocide during the Gold Rush, many of the 120,000 to 300,000 Natives killed were beheaded. The state of California and some local governments had money set aside in their budget for the scalps of Indians, and sometimes the murderers in gold miner militias simply chopped off the heads.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>This material was inserted some 18 months ago <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decapitation&type=revision&diff=698242630&oldid=698147018">here</a>, by an IP with rather few edits (but no obvious vandalism among these). Therefore, my guess is that you were right in assuming that the material was erroneously inserted between the Utah note and the source for that note, without thought about the validity of that source for the additional statements. On the other hand, if an experienced wikipedian had done a similar insertion, it might have been correct, because the inserted material might have been verified by the same source. </p><p>Thus, I wonder if you actually have verified that the source (<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFMiller2012" class="citation book cs1">Miller, Wilbur R. (2012). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=tYME6Z35nyAC&pg=PA1856"><i>The Social History of Crime and Punishment in America: An Encyclopedia</i></a>. SAGE. p. 1856. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/9781412988766" title="Special:BookSources/9781412988766"><bdi>9781412988766</bdi></a>. <a href="/wiki/OCLC_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="OCLC (identifier)">OCLC</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://search.worldcat.org/oclc/768569594">768569594</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=The+Social+History+of+Crime+and+Punishment+in+America%3A+An+Encyclopedia&rft.pages=1856&rft.pub=SAGE&rft.date=2012&rft_id=info%3Aoclcnum%2F768569594&rft.isbn=9781412988766&rft.aulast=Miller&rft.aufirst=Wilbur+R.&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3DtYME6Z35nyAC%26pg%3DPA1856&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3ADecapitation%2FArchive+1" class="Z3988"></span>) does not contain support the inserted material; or if you just (like me) guessed it. <a href="/wiki/User:JoergenB" title="User:JoergenB">JoergenB</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoergenB" title="User talk:JoergenB">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-JoergenB-2017-08-02T19:57:00.000Z-Was_the_potentially_mis-sourced_material_checked_against_the_suggested_source?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 2 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoergenB-2017-08-02T19:57:00.000Z-Was_the_potentially_mis-sourced_material_checked_against_the_suggested_source?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoergenB-2017-08-02T19:57:00.000Z-Was_the_potentially_mis-sourced_material_checked_against_the_suggested_source?"></span> </p> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kablammo-2017-08-02T20:17:00.000Z-Was_the_potentially_mis-sourced_material_checked_against_the_suggested_source?"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1232521257">.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk{margin:auto 0;border:1px dashed var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:4px;padding-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk-title{font-weight:bold}</style><div class="reflist-talk"> <p class="reflist-talk-title">References</p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFMiller2012" class="citation book cs1">Miller, Wilbur R. (2012). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=tYME6Z35nyAC&pg=PA1856"><i>The Social History of Crime and Punishment in America: An Encyclopedia</i></a>. SAGE. p. 1856. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/9781412988766" title="Special:BookSources/9781412988766"><bdi>9781412988766</bdi></a>. <a href="/wiki/OCLC_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="OCLC (identifier)">OCLC</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://search.worldcat.org/oclc/768569594">768569594</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=The+Social+History+of+Crime+and+Punishment+in+America%3A+An+Encyclopedia&rft.pages=1856&rft.pub=SAGE&rft.date=2012&rft_id=info%3Aoclcnum%2F768569594&rft.isbn=9781412988766&rft.aulast=Miller&rft.aufirst=Wilbur+R.&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3DtYME6Z35nyAC%26pg%3DPA1856&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3ADecapitation%2FArchive+1" class="Z3988"></span></span> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <dl><dd>There is nothing on the cited page in the cited source about Maryland, Seminoles, New Orleans, black slaves, or California Indians. <a href="/wiki/User:Kablammo" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Kablammo">Kablammo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kablammo" title="User talk:Kablammo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Kablammo-2017-08-02T20:17:00.000Z-Was_the_potentially_mis-sourced_material_checked_against_the_suggested_source?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:17, 2 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kablammo-2017-08-02T20:17:00.000Z-Was_the_potentially_mis-sourced_material_checked_against_the_suggested_source?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kablammo-2017-08-02T20:17:00.000Z-Was_the_potentially_mis-sourced_material_checked_against_the_suggested_source?"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoergenB-2017-08-09T18:12:00.000Z-Kablammo-2017-08-02T20:17:00.000Z"></span>OK. <a href="/wiki/User:JoergenB" title="User:JoergenB">JoergenB</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoergenB" title="User talk:JoergenB">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-JoergenB-2017-08-09T18:12:00.000Z-Kablammo-2017-08-02T20:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 9 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoergenB-2017-08-09T18:12:00.000Z-Kablammo-2017-08-02T20:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoergenB-2017-08-09T18:12:00.000Z-Kablammo-2017-08-02T20:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Possibility_of_survival" data-mw-thread-id="h-Possibility_of_survival-2016-11-12T21:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Possibility_of_survival-2016-11-12T21:12:00.000Z"></span>Possibility of survival<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Possibility_of_survival-2016-11-12T21:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andreaseksted-2016-11-12T21:12:00.000Z-Possibility_of_survival"></span>I have been removing the part that says that it is impossible for humans to survive decapitation, but since it was restored twice, it seems like a good idea to start a discussion about it. In the most recent restoration, the edit summary said "There have been no recorded instances of a human ever surviving it. Also, all animals on which a head transplant has been performed died." </p><p>However that argument is not very applicable. No recorded instance is not at all the same as it being impossible. Also since it has been successfully performed on dogs and monkeys there is even good reason to believe that it is in fact possible. Yes, all animals on which the procedure was performed eventually died, but some of them did survive for quite a while and the cause of death in some (or perhaps most?) of the cases were not due to the decapitation, but rather because the animals were killed after the experiment was over. </p><p>Even if we were to assume that it is currently impossible to survive for a long time after a head transplant, the restored text would still be problematic. The restored text says that it is not possible. Not just that it is not currently possible. Also it says that the reason is that "it deprives all other organs of the involuntary functions which are essential for the body to function while the brain itself is deprived of oxygenated blood.", but that is not a major difficulty for achieving long-term survival after a head transplant.<a href="/wiki/User:Andreaseksted" title="User:Andreaseksted">Andreaseksted</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andreaseksted" title="User talk:Andreaseksted">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Andreaseksted-2016-11-12T21:12:00.000Z-Possibility_of_survival" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:12, 12 November 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andreaseksted-2016-11-12T21:12:00.000Z-Possibility_of_survival"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andreaseksted-2016-11-12T21:12:00.000Z-Possibility_of_survival"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andreaseksted-2016-11-20T12:05:00.000Z-Andreaseksted-2016-11-12T21:12:00.000Z"></span>Since there have been no objections to the reasoning above, I have now once again removed that part from the article.<a href="/wiki/User:Andreaseksted" title="User:Andreaseksted">Andreaseksted</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andreaseksted" title="User talk:Andreaseksted">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Andreaseksted-2016-11-20T12:05:00.000Z-Andreaseksted-2016-11-12T21:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 20 November 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andreaseksted-2016-11-20T12:05:00.000Z-Andreaseksted-2016-11-12T21:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andreaseksted-2016-11-20T12:05:00.000Z-Andreaseksted-2016-11-12T21:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-192.121.232.253-2018-10-05T13:51:00.000Z-Andreaseksted-2016-11-20T12:05:00.000Z"></span>It can at least be safely said that it is impossible for humans to survive a properly done beheading. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/192.121.232.253" title="Special:Contributions/192.121.232.253">192.121.232.253</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:192.121.232.253" title="User talk:192.121.232.253">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-192.121.232.253-2018-10-05T13:51:00.000Z-Andreaseksted-2016-11-20T12:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 5 October 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-192.121.232.253-2018-10-05T13:51:00.000Z-Andreaseksted-2016-11-20T12:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-192.121.232.253-2018-10-05T13:51:00.000Z-Andreaseksted-2016-11-20T12:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Suicide" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suicide-2015-10-06T10:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suicide-2015-10-06T10:15:00.000Z"></span>Suicide<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suicide-2015-10-06T10:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mojace-2015-10-06T10:15:00.000Z-Suicide"></span>The claim that suicide by decapitation is rare seems completely false to me. As far as I know, decapitation by train is a very common method of suicide in the western world; could someone maybe have a look at this and make the article reflect it? -<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mojace&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mojace (page does not exist)">Mojace</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mojace" title="User talk:Mojace">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Mojace-2015-10-06T10:15:00.000Z-Suicide" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:15, 6 October 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mojace-2015-10-06T10:15:00.000Z-Suicide"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mojace-2015-10-06T10:15:00.000Z-Suicide"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-195.67.149.175-2019-08-07T15:24:00.000Z-Mojace-2015-10-06T10:15:00.000Z"></span>Uh, jumping in front of a train is not the same as getting beheaded by it. If "beheading by train" means doing it Anna Karenina style and pushing one's neck between the wheels, then no, it's not a commonly used method, it's actually very rare. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/195.67.149.175" title="Special:Contributions/195.67.149.175">195.67.149.175</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:195.67.149.175&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:195.67.149.175 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-195.67.149.175-2019-08-07T15:24:00.000Z-Mojace-2015-10-06T10:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 7 August 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-195.67.149.175-2019-08-07T15:24:00.000Z-Mojace-2015-10-06T10:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-195.67.149.175-2019-08-07T15:24:00.000Z-Mojace-2015-10-06T10:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""George_S._Patton_III"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-"George_S._Patton_III"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion-2020-12-15T06:13:00.000Z"><span id=".22George_S._Patton_III.22_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"George_S._Patton_III"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion-2020-12-15T06:13:00.000Z"></span>"George S. Patton III" listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion">Redirects for discussion</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-"George_S._Patton_III"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion-2020-12-15T06:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hawkeye7-2020-12-15T06:13:00.000Z-"George_S._Patton_III"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/30px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/45px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/60px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> A discussion is taking place to address the redirect <a href="/wiki/George_S._Patton_III" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="George S. 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Patton III</a> until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Hawkeye7" title="User:Hawkeye7"><span style="color:#800082">Hawkeye7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7" title="User talk:Hawkeye7"><span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Hawkeye7-2020-12-15T06:13:00.000Z-"George_S._Patton_III"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:13, 15 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawkeye7-2020-12-15T06:13:00.000Z-"George_S._Patton_III"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawkeye7-2020-12-15T06:13:00.000Z-"George_S._Patton_III"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Armenia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Armenia-2020-12-26T02:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Armenia-2020-12-26T02:21:00.000Z"></span>Armenia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Armenia-2020-12-26T02:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Solavirum" title="User:Solavirum"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Armatura-2020-12-26T02:21:00.000Z-Armenia"></span>Solavirum</a> You have added a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decapitation#Armenia">section on Armenia</a> in this article. Decapitation or beheading, is the <i>total separation of the head</i> from the body. "Cutting the throat" (as you have written) or "sticking a knife into throat" (as your reference actually says) is act of homicide but not decapitation by definition. Can you please remove your addition accordingly? Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Armatura" title="User:Armatura">Armatura</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Armatura" title="User talk:Armatura">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Armatura-2020-12-26T02:21:00.000Z-Armenia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 26 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Armatura-2020-12-26T02:21:00.000Z-Armenia"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Armatura-2020-12-26T02:21:00.000Z-Armenia"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Solavirum-2020-12-31T19:24:00.000Z-Armatura-2020-12-26T02:21:00.000Z"></span>Most likely. --► Sincerely: <b><a href="/wiki/User:Solavirum" title="User:Solavirum"><span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:black">Sola</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Solavirum" title="User talk:Solavirum"><span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:#560605">Virum</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Solavirum-2020-12-31T19:24:00.000Z-Armatura-2020-12-26T02:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 31 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Solavirum-2020-12-31T19:24:00.000Z-Armatura-2020-12-26T02:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Solavirum-2020-12-31T19:24:00.000Z-Armatura-2020-12-26T02:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Solavirum" title="User:Solavirum"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Armatura-2021-01-02T13:28:00.000Z-Solavirum-2020-12-31T19:24:00.000Z"></span>Solavirum</a> Pardon me? <a href="/wiki/User:Armatura" title="User:Armatura">Armatura</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Armatura" title="User talk:Armatura">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Armatura-2021-01-02T13:28:00.000Z-Solavirum-2020-12-31T19:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Armatura-2021-01-02T13:28:00.000Z-Solavirum-2020-12-31T19:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Armatura-2021-01-02T13:28:00.000Z-Solavirum-2020-12-31T19:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Solavirum-2021-01-02T15:46:00.000Z-Armatura-2021-01-02T13:28:00.000Z"></span>What's wrong? --► Sincerely: <b><a href="/wiki/User:Solavirum" title="User:Solavirum"><span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:black">Sola</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Solavirum" title="User talk:Solavirum"><span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:#560605">Virum</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Solavirum-2021-01-02T15:46:00.000Z-Armatura-2021-01-02T13:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 2 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Solavirum-2021-01-02T15:46:00.000Z-Armatura-2021-01-02T13:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Solavirum-2021-01-02T15:46:00.000Z-Armatura-2021-01-02T13:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Solavirum" title="User:Solavirum"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Armatura-2021-01-02T16:14:00.000Z-Solavirum-2021-01-02T15:46:00.000Z"></span>Solavirum</a> What exactly did you mean by writing "Most likely"? <a href="/wiki/User:Armatura" title="User:Armatura">Armatura</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Armatura" title="User talk:Armatura">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Armatura-2021-01-02T16:14:00.000Z-Solavirum-2021-01-02T15:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 2 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Armatura-2021-01-02T16:14:00.000Z-Solavirum-2021-01-02T15:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Armatura-2021-01-02T16:14:00.000Z-Solavirum-2021-01-02T15:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Solavirum-2021-01-02T17:05:00.000Z-Armatura-2021-01-02T16:14:00.000Z"></span>Ugh, me agreeing with your point. --► Sincerely: <b><a href="/wiki/User:Solavirum" title="User:Solavirum"><span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:black">Sola</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Solavirum" title="User talk:Solavirum"><span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:#560605">Virum</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Solavirum-2021-01-02T17:05:00.000Z-Armatura-2021-01-02T16:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Solavirum-2021-01-02T17:05:00.000Z-Armatura-2021-01-02T16:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Solavirum-2021-01-02T17:05:00.000Z-Armatura-2021-01-02T16:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Decapitation_of_war_prisoner_by_Japan_soldier" data-mw-thread-id="h-Decapitation_of_war_prisoner_by_Japan_soldier-2021-03-10T09:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Decapitation_of_war_prisoner_by_Japan_soldier-2021-03-10T09:43:00.000Z"></span>Decapitation of war prisoner by Japan soldier<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Decapitation_of_war_prisoner_by_Japan_soldier-2021-03-10T09:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Slav_Sepo-2021-03-10T09:43:00.000Z-Decapitation_of_war_prisoner_by_Japan_soldier"></span>See it as dishonorable ist Western culture point of wiev probably. I would like to know an japan wiev because decapitation was also end of seppuku, made with honor by closest frend. In centuries of Samurai ist was used also by winer of the Beatle to present kiled enemies but I am not sur it was in meaning of dishonor. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Slav_Sepo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Slav Sepo (page does not exist)">Slav Sepo</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Slav_Sepo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Slav Sepo (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Slav_Sepo-2021-03-10T09:43:00.000Z-Decapitation_of_war_prisoner_by_Japan_soldier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:43, 10 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Slav_Sepo-2021-03-10T09:43:00.000Z-Decapitation_of_war_prisoner_by_Japan_soldier"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Slav_Sepo-2021-03-10T09:43:00.000Z-Decapitation_of_war_prisoner_by_Japan_soldier"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Omission_and_exaggeration" data-mw-thread-id="h-Omission_and_exaggeration-2020-02-20T00:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Omission_and_exaggeration-2020-02-20T00:51:00.000Z"></span>Omission and exaggeration<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Omission_and_exaggeration-2020-02-20T00:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_F._Jackson-2020-02-20T00:51:00.000Z-Omission_and_exaggeration"></span>I have been researching World War II for novels I have already written and that are works in progress. I am a member of the International Association of Genocide Scholars. I was a member of Wikipedia, but had to reestablish a new identity just now. I am appalled with this article on intentional decapitation (beheading). My nation which, with its share of military abuses (not unlike others) is somewhat singled out for beheading enemy soldiers in battle, something my country is not known for. I am aware of America's flawed conquests; my novels point them out. The Philippine American War was our worst moment, and my wife is from the Philippines. All militaries commit some crimes because of the brutality and passions in war, but American forces were not known historically for beheading. I believe the claims may not be well sourced. It is my mistake for not checking that detail. </p><p>But the worst thing about this article is the omission of the massive murders (often through beheading) committed by the Japanese in World War II. It is an insult to scholarship. I actually wonder if this article has been vandalized. Rape and murder of civilians was literally a standard operating procedure. It was worse in some areas than others. They apparently did not like the Chinese. Females of all ages (including little girls) were brutally raped and then brutally murdered, unless they were turned in to comfort women (forced military prostitutes). Manila in the Philippines fared badly near the end, when the Japanese Army personnel there realized they would not be rescued. In a book out just this summer, Manila in 1944 is being compared to the Rape of Nanking in 1937. Estimates vary, but probably well over 200,000 Chinese were murdered in Nanking. Surely, logic dictates that 25,000 to 50,000 were beheadings. That is one city among many the Japanese Army conquered, though granted the biggest. Your own publication has several articles on these issues, events, and massive atrocities; yet this article singles out the Americans who fought and died to stop Japan's evil as if the United States was the most active military to engage in beheading. There is not one word in the article about Japanese beheading in World War II a war crime as notorious as the Nazi Holocaust. There is one photo. As I mentioned, I actually wonder if this article has been vandalized. Surely, during the whole war period from 1937 to 1945, the number of beheadings must have soared in to the tens of thousands. They usually executed the innocent that way or by shooting. </p><p>Will someone deal with this, or should I try to? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Robert_F._Jackson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Robert F. Jackson (page does not exist)">Robert F. Jackson</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_F._Jackson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Robert F. Jackson (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Robert_F._Jackson-2020-02-20T00:51:00.000Z-Omission_and_exaggeration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 20 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_F._Jackson-2020-02-20T00:51:00.000Z-Omission_and_exaggeration"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_F._Jackson-2020-02-20T00:51:00.000Z-Omission_and_exaggeration"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eldamarth-2021-04-01T17:08:00.000Z-Omission_and_exaggeration"></span>This is a worthy topic for discussion if citations can be provided - a good amount of scholarly work (as mentioned above) has been done on both Nanking and Manila; resulting data should be included and properly cited. Having lived previously on the islands of Saipan and Guam, I will also suggest looking for information on the brutalities inflicted on the civilian populations of the Marianas Islands. <span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Eldamarth&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Eldamarth (page does not exist)">Eldamarth</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Eldamarth&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Eldamarth (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eldamarth" title="Special:Contributions/Eldamarth">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1#c-Eldamarth-2021-04-01T17:08:00.000Z-Omission_and_exaggeration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 1 April 2021 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eldamarth-2021-04-01T17:08:00.000Z-Omission_and_exaggeration"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eldamarth-2021-04-01T17:08:00.000Z-Omission_and_exaggeration"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1&oldid=1181153370">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Decapitation/Archive_1&oldid=1181153370</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 21 October 2023, at 05:37<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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