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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Science" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Science">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Science</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Science</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Science</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">science articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-low"><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_science_articles" title="Category:Low-importance science articles">Low</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>Low-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Science/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Science/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="More_software" data-mw-thread-id="h-More_software"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_software"></span>More software<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_software"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: More software"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Any problem with adding <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/">BibDesk</a> to the list of software? --<a href="/wiki/User:RCanine" title="User:RCanine">RCanine</a> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Google_Scholar" data-mw-thread-id="h-Google_Scholar-2006-11-01T19:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Google_Scholar-2006-11-01T19:48:00.000Z"></span>Google Scholar<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Google_Scholar-2006-11-01T19:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Google Scholar"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KevinCole-2006-11-01T19:48:00.000Z-Google_Scholar"></span>I don't know where (or even if) it would fit in this article, but <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://scholar.google.com/scholar_preferences">Google Scholar's preferences page</a> has a <b>Bibliography Manager</b> section which offers the option of showing a link to import citations in BibTeX format. As a new BibTeX user, I'm finding the feature a handy feature to begin fleshing out bibliographies. — <a href="/wiki/User:KevinCole" title="User:KevinCole">KevinCole</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-KevinCole-2006-11-01T19:48:00.000Z-Google_Scholar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KevinCole-2006-11-01T19:48:00.000Z-Google_Scholar"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KevinCole-2006-11-01T19:48:00.000Z-Google_Scholar"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=".bst_example" data-mw-thread-id="h-.bst_example-2006-11-30T14:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-.bst_example-2006-11-30T14:55:00.000Z"></span>.bst example<span data-mw-comment-end="h-.bst_example-2006-11-30T14:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: .bst example"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2006-11-30T14:55:00.000Z-.bst_example"></span>You have examples of .bib files. Could you also include a simple .bst file? — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Omegatron-2006-11-30T14:55:00.000Z-.bst_example" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2006-11-30T14:55:00.000Z-.bst_example"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2006-11-30T14:55:00.000Z-.bst_example"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MFH-2007-01-19T13:57:00.000Z-Omegatron-2006-11-30T14:55:00.000Z"></span>I think they are rarely simple, and usually about 15-20 kB large... see e.g. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://arxiv.org/hypertex/bibstyles/">http://arxiv.org/hypertex/bibstyles/</a> for "real world" examples ; maybe in some bibtex tutorial you might find a really simple one. So <a href="/wiki/Be_bold" class="mw-redirect" title="Be bold">be bold</a>, go google "bibtex tutorial" and when you found, put it on the page...— <a href="/wiki/User:MFH" title="User:MFH">MFH</a>:<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MFH" title="User talk:MFH">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-MFH-2007-01-19T13:57:00.000Z-Omegatron-2006-11-30T14:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MFH-2007-01-19T13:57:00.000Z-Omegatron-2006-11-30T14:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MFH-2007-01-19T13:57:00.000Z-Omegatron-2006-11-30T14:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""crossref"_field?" data-mw-thread-id="h-"crossref"_field?-2006-12-14T23:40:00.000Z"><span id=".22crossref.22_field.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"crossref"_field?-2006-12-14T23:40:00.000Z"></span>"crossref" field?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"crossref"_field?-2006-12-14T23:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: "crossref" field?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-81.97.206.141-2008-08-21T16:02:00.000Z-"crossref"_field?"></span>The BibTeX tutorial link further links to a PDF file somewhere that agrees with the text of this article, but further adds a "crossref" field, "The database key of the entry being cross referenced." </p><p>I'm not familiar with BibTeX myself, so someone knowledgeable out there please amend the article if necessary. </p><p>[Kalthor] </p> <dl><dd>I let myself correct the cross referencing info. Unfortunately without booktitle attribute it generated bibtex warnings.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Cheers <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/81.97.206.141" title="Special:Contributions/81.97.206.141">81.97.206.141</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:81.97.206.141&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:81.97.206.141 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-81.97.206.141-2008-08-21T16:02:00.000Z-"crossref"_field?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-81.97.206.141-2008-08-21T16:02:00.000Z-"crossref"_field?"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-81.97.206.141-2008-08-21T16:02:00.000Z-"crossref"_field?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Raichu2" title="User:Raichu2"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Raichu2-2006-12-14T23:40:00.000Z-"crossref"_field?"></span>Raichu2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Raichu2-2006-12-14T23:40:00.000Z-"crossref"_field?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raichu2-2006-12-14T23:40:00.000Z-"crossref"_field?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Raichu2-2006-12-14T23:40:00.000Z-"crossref"_field?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wietseb-2007-01-18T15:44:00.000Z-Raichu2-2006-12-14T23:40:00.000Z"></span>Hi,</dd> <dd>I would be glad to add some info on crossreferencing, which is a very useful feature of BibTeX! Question is: How many lines would be appropriate? Including some example might be nice.. The really short description you give is correct: "crossref = abc" will cause BibTeX to include the data of the referenced publication. Here "abc" is the referenced publications cite-id. Example:</dd></dl> <pre>@INPROCEEDINGS {author:06, title = {some publication title}, author = {First Author and Second Author}, crossref = {conference:06}, pages = {330--331}, } @PROCEEDINGS {conference:06, editor = {First Editor and Second Editor}, booktitle = {Proceedings of the Xth Conference on XYZ}, year = {2006}, month = {October}, } </pre> <dl><dd>Does something like that sound useful?</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Wietseb" title="User:Wietseb">Wietseb</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Wietseb-2007-01-18T15:44:00.000Z-Raichu2-2006-12-14T23:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wietseb-2007-01-18T15:44:00.000Z-Raichu2-2006-12-14T23:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wietseb-2007-01-18T15:44:00.000Z-Raichu2-2006-12-14T23:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MFH-2007-01-19T14:29:00.000Z-Wietseb-2007-01-18T15:44:00.000Z"></span>very nice idea, although it makes the individual entries quite useless... I don't know if this can easily be implemented in a BST file, which usually iterates on each entry after the other in 1 single pass. But I just checked and found in /usr/local/share/texmf-tetex/bibtex/bib/base/xampl.bib (<a href="/wiki/TeTeX" title="TeTeX">TeTeX</a> distrib) something exactly equivalent to your example, and also examples for Journal articles, book chapters, etc.; finally, there is also an example of using an entry NOTE = "published in Knuth \cite{book-full}". But I don't know inhowfar this will work in all styles (although a grep -rl crossref /usr/local/share/texmf-tetex/bibtex/bst seems to give a positive answer). — <a href="/wiki/User:MFH" title="User:MFH">MFH</a>:<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MFH" title="User talk:MFH">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-MFH-2007-01-19T14:29:00.000Z-Wietseb-2007-01-18T15:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MFH-2007-01-19T14:29:00.000Z-Wietseb-2007-01-18T15:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MFH-2007-01-19T14:29:00.000Z-Wietseb-2007-01-18T15:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-121.74.70.25-2009-10-25T10:42:00.000Z-MFH-2007-01-19T14:29:00.000Z"></span>FWIW, it's much easier to write lbst files for <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.nongnu.org/cl-bibtex/">[1]</a> than the bibtex stack language. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/121.74.70.25" title="Special:Contributions/121.74.70.25">121.74.70.25</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:121.74.70.25&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:121.74.70.25 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-121.74.70.25-2009-10-25T10:42:00.000Z-MFH-2007-01-19T14:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 25 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-121.74.70.25-2009-10-25T10:42:00.000Z-MFH-2007-01-19T14:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-121.74.70.25-2009-10-25T10:42:00.000Z-MFH-2007-01-19T14:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_Bibtex_a_tool?_or_a_standard?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_Bibtex_a_tool?_or_a_standard?-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z"><span id="Is_Bibtex_a_tool.3F_or_a_standard.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_Bibtex_a_tool?_or_a_standard?-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z"></span>Is Bibtex a tool? or a standard?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_Bibtex_a_tool?_or_a_standard?-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Is Bibtex a tool? or a standard?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gronky-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z-Is_Bibtex_a_tool?_or_a_standard?"></span>The article currently says that bibtex is a tool. Can someone point to it so that I can download it? I got the impression that Bibtex is a way to arrange data so that tex can use it and so that everyone's references look the same. If my impression is right, then it's not a tool, it's a standard (which someone announced and which others have agreed, by action, to use). Comments? <a href="/wiki/User:Gronky" title="User:Gronky">Gronky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Gronky-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z-Is_Bibtex_a_tool?_or_a_standard?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gronky-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z-Is_Bibtex_a_tool?_or_a_standard?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gronky-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z-Is_Bibtex_a_tool?_or_a_standard?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jinxs-2006-12-22T12:03:00.000Z-Gronky-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z"></span>One can install the file .bibtex (in linux) or bibtex.exe (under windows), which converts \cite refs into reference section. Therefore, it seems to be a tool. But at the same time, the referencing system is used by other software of this kind (EndNote), which suggests that from that point of view, the syntax is in fact a standard. Any other comments? --<a href="/wiki/User:Jinxs" title="User:Jinxs">Jinxs</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Jinxs-2006-12-22T12:03:00.000Z-Gronky-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:03, 22 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jinxs-2006-12-22T12:03:00.000Z-Gronky-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jinxs-2006-12-22T12:03:00.000Z-Gronky-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2006-12-22T19:14:00.000Z-Gronky-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z"></span>"Standard" may be a bit strong (who maintains the "standard" & how many independent implementations are there?). Like <a href="/wiki/TeX" title="TeX">TeX</a> and <a href="/wiki/LaTeX" title="LaTeX">LaTeX</a>, bibtex can refer to a particular program, a preparation system in general (in the case of (La)TeX, a document or typesetting system; in the case of bibtex, a citation system), or a file format. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Karnesky-2006-12-22T19:14:00.000Z-Gronky-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2006-12-22T19:14:00.000Z-Gronky-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2006-12-22T19:14:00.000Z-Gronky-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MFH-2007-01-19T13:20:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-12-22T19:14:00.000Z"></span>most of the article is in fact about the BibTeX (.BIB) file format. I think it's a kind of solid standard, used since several decades (and as such outdating almost every other standard existing in computer science, except maybe(!!) for "plain <a href="/wiki/ASCII" title="ASCII">ASCII</a>") by millions of scientist, by the most important databases (<a href="/wiki/Arxiv" class="mw-redirect" title="Arxiv">arxiv</a>,...) and supported by most referencing systems (<a href="/wiki/RefWorks" title="RefWorks">RefWorks</a>,...). Only few variations of the basic format exist. (I saw examples using {...} instead of "..." for all data...!?) Just like for <a href="/wiki/HTML" title="HTML">HTML</a>, <a href="/wiki/CSS" title="CSS">CSS</a> etc, the basic standard does not specify in a limiting way the types of entries (ARTICLE, BOOK,...) nor the tags used therein.</dd> <dd>A second "component" of bibtex are the bibliography style (.BST) files. They are MUCH more cumbersome, and in principle there exists "by definition" one for each journal or other media (book series, web site,...), but according to the field of science (biology, math, physics) there are a few <i>de facto</i> standards (justified since there may be varying amount of information that you want to show up in the References). In principle, the <b>implementation</b> of a style does not matter, it's the outcome (TeX code produced by it) which counts.</dd> <dd>The third component is the bibtex "binary" itself. Here again, I think the specs are quite clear (what it should produce, for given format (BST) and data (BIB)) and I don't think that big incompatibilities do exists. (Needless to say that here again the concrete implementation (binary, perl, web2c, ...) should not matter if the specs are respected.)</dd> <dd>But indeed maybe the most important component is the BIB file format, which goes beyond the (La)TeX universe and serves as a de facto standard for bibliographic data exchange between the most various systems. — <a href="/wiki/User:MFH" title="User:MFH">MFH</a>:<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MFH" title="User talk:MFH">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-MFH-2007-01-19T13:20:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-12-22T19:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MFH-2007-01-19T13:20:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-12-22T19:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MFH-2007-01-19T13:20:00.000Z-Karnesky-2006-12-22T19:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samopsa-20240201145500-Gronky-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z"></span>18 years after this post I <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BibTeX&oldid=1201864689">decided to change the wording of the introduction</a>, inspired by a discussion I had with some colleagues about the classification of BibTeX. Here's my reasoning with sources:</dd> <dd>If we look at a (nearly) primary source (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://ctan.org/pkg/bibtex?lang=en">https://ctan.org/pkg/bibtex?lang=en</a>), this is the description of the creator of BibTeX Oren Patashnik:</dd> <dd>'BibTEX allows the user to store his citation data in generic form, while printing citations in a document in the form specified by a BibTEX style, to be specified in the document itself (one often needs a LATEX citation-style package, such as natbib, as well).'</dd> <dd>Oren also describes BibTex on the wonderfully traditional (but still very active!) TeX Users Group website <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://tug.org/bibtex/">https://tug.org/bibtex/</a>:</dd> <dd>"The venerable BibTeX program sorts and writes a document's bibliography (.bbl) using style files (.bst) and formatting-independent (in principle) bibliography databases (.bib). It works with LaTeX, plain TeX, and other TeX variants. It was written by Oren Patashnik as part of the original Stanford TeX project, and is still maintained by him."</dd> <dd>Or in the words of commenter Ian Dennis Miller (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://ctan.org/home/idm">https://ctan.org/home/idm</a>) on CTAN <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://ctan.org/pkg/bibtex">https://ctan.org/pkg/bibtex</a>:</dd> <dd>'It is both a file format specification and an implementation of the processor. In this sense, it permits some ambiguity across different implementations of the processor for other languages. Some BibTEX generators emit broken citations, some parsers break on valid BibTEX, but generally speaking, this is the premiere digital interchange format for scholarly citations. My dissertation would simply not be possible without BibTEX. Learn it. Cherish it.'</dd> <dd>I also took this opportunity to clean up some text, shuffle the paragraphs around, add some sources, and changed some headers in an effort to quickly give a clear overview of what BibTeX is. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Samopsa&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Samopsa (page does not exist)">Samopsa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samopsa" title="User talk:Samopsa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Samopsa-20240201145500-Gronky-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samopsa-20240201145500-Gronky-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samopsa-20240201145500-Gronky-2006-12-22T01:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biogeographist-20240201184000-Samopsa-20240201145500"></span>Thanks—your improved distinction between the file format and the processor was <em>much</em> needed. I made some changes including some reversions, mostly stylistic, to conform with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOS">WP:MOS</a> as <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1201950724" title="Special:Diff/1201950724">summarized in this edit summary</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Biogeographist" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Biogeographist">Biogeographist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biogeographist" title="User talk:Biogeographist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Biogeographist-20240201184000-Samopsa-20240201145500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biogeographist-20240201184000-Samopsa-20240201145500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Biogeographist-20240201184000-Samopsa-20240201145500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Instruction_manual?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Instruction_manual?-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z"><span id="Instruction_manual.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Instruction_manual?-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z"></span>Instruction manual?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Instruction_manual?-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Instruction manual?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT#IINFO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOT"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColourBurst-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z-Instruction_manual?"></span>WP:NOT#IINFO</a> states that Wikipedia isn't an instruction manual. Yet besides the first two lead paragraphs, that's exactly what this article reads like (instead of mentioning the history and real life implication of the software). Shouldn't most of this be transwikied to something like wikibooks, which deals more with instruction manuals and such? <a href="/wiki/User:ColourBurst" title="User:ColourBurst">ColourBurst</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-ColourBurst-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z-Instruction_manual?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColourBurst-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z-Instruction_manual?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColourBurst-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z-Instruction_manual?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jinxs-2007-01-22T08:43:00.000Z-ColourBurst-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z"></span>I totally agree!. A good place in WikiBooks would be here <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Bibliography_Management">[2]</a> Plus i deleted this part about adding more - we don't need much more for this article --<a href="/wiki/User:Jinxs" title="User:Jinxs">Jinxs</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Jinxs-2007-01-22T08:43:00.000Z-ColourBurst-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jinxs-2007-01-22T08:43:00.000Z-ColourBurst-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jinxs-2007-01-22T08:43:00.000Z-ColourBurst-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Njerseyguy-2007-04-08T06:08:00.000Z-ColourBurst-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z"></span>I also agree. This is definitely wikibooks material. I also don't think this will be much of a hardship on those coming to wikipedia to find info on how to use bibtex; we'll simply post a link at the bottom of the article to the how-to wikibook. To busy/lazy to do this. Someone else should. <a href="/wiki/User:Njerseyguy" title="User:Njerseyguy">Njerseyguy</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Njerseyguy-2007-04-08T06:08:00.000Z-ColourBurst-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Njerseyguy-2007-04-08T06:08:00.000Z-ColourBurst-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Njerseyguy-2007-04-08T06:08:00.000Z-ColourBurst-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beveal-2007-06-30T00:20:00.000Z-ColourBurst-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z"></span>I'm gonna mark this with a "howto" template message. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Beveal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Beveal (page does not exist)">Beveal</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Beveal-2007-06-30T00:20:00.000Z-ColourBurst-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beveal-2007-06-30T00:20:00.000Z-ColourBurst-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beveal-2007-06-30T00:20:00.000Z-ColourBurst-2007-01-22T06:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-79.154.66.90-2010-09-02T16:17:00.000Z-Beveal-2007-06-30T00:20:00.000Z"></span>Please, don't remove content until you paste that in BiBTeX wikibooks. It's an excellent source of information. And don't forget to link it to wikibooks.--<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/79.154.66.90" title="Special:Contributions/79.154.66.90">79.154.66.90</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:79.154.66.90&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:79.154.66.90 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-79.154.66.90-2010-09-02T16:17:00.000Z-Beveal-2007-06-30T00:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:17, 2 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-79.154.66.90-2010-09-02T16:17:00.000Z-Beveal-2007-06-30T00:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-79.154.66.90-2010-09-02T16:17:00.000Z-Beveal-2007-06-30T00:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Stylized_BibTeX_text_in_intro_is_broken" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stylized_BibTeX_text_in_intro_is_broken-2007-01-26T04:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stylized_BibTeX_text_in_intro_is_broken-2007-01-26T04:20:00.000Z"></span>Stylized BibTeX text in intro is broken<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stylized_BibTeX_text_in_intro_is_broken-2007-01-26T04:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Stylized BibTeX text in intro is broken"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.111.131.231-2007-01-26T04:20:00.000Z-Stylized_BibTeX_text_in_intro_is_broken"></span>The BibTeX in the intro is written with MathML or something and it's broken. I would fix it but I'm not sure how to format it. <small>—The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.111.131.231" title="Special:Contributions/71.111.131.231">71.111.131.231</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:71.111.131.231&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:71.111.131.231 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-71.111.131.231-2007-01-26T04:20:00.000Z-Stylized_BibTeX_text_in_intro_is_broken" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)</a>.</small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.111.131.231-2007-01-26T04:20:00.000Z-Stylized_BibTeX_text_in_intro_is_broken"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.111.131.231-2007-01-26T04:20:00.000Z-Stylized_BibTeX_text_in_intro_is_broken"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_about_ISBN" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_about_ISBN-2007-03-09T10:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_about_ISBN-2007-03-09T10:53:00.000Z"></span>How about <a href="/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number" class="mw-redirect" title="International Standard Book Number">ISBN</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_about_ISBN-2007-03-09T10:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: How about ISBN"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bromskloss-2007-03-09T10:53:00.000Z-How_about_ISBN"></span>The "isbn" item is not present in either the list of entry fields nor in the list of entry types, but it does appear in one of the examples. Which is correct? Is there an official specification to look it up in? —<a href="/wiki/User:Bromskloss" title="User:Bromskloss">Bromskloss</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Bromskloss-2007-03-09T10:53:00.000Z-How_about_ISBN" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bromskloss-2007-03-09T10:53:00.000Z-How_about_ISBN"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bromskloss-2007-03-09T10:53:00.000Z-How_about_ISBN"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Drawbacks_of_BibTeX" data-mw-thread-id="h-Drawbacks_of_BibTeX-2007-04-08T09:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Drawbacks_of_BibTeX-2007-04-08T09:17:00.000Z"></span>Drawbacks of BibTeX<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Drawbacks_of_BibTeX-2007-04-08T09:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Drawbacks of BibTeX"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bronger-2007-04-08T09:17:00.000Z-Drawbacks_of_BibTeX"></span>What do you think about a section about problems with BibTeX? I know that every program has its issues, however, I think that there are enough in BibTeX that they deserve being mentioned in a section of its own. Other, mostly proprietary programs, have "Criticism" sections, too, after all. I think of the following issues: </p> <ul><li>Long URLs are broken by the program with a "%" inbetween, which irritates the non-experienced user since there is no easy remedy; you have to use hyperref to remove them <i>after</i> the BibTeX processing.</li></ul> <ul><li>Poor support of non-English languages. The German "ä" has to be written {\"a}, unless you use a special 8-bit variant of BibTeX which is not part of the official release branch, not even written in the same programming language.</li></ul> <ul><li>The BST format for style layout is very difficult to use. (By the way, custombib is also difficult to use in contrast to what is said in the article.) Thus, getting the bibliography layout as you want it, can be a very tedious task. This has led to the development of BibLaTeX which makes all the formatting on the LaTeX level, reducing BibTeX's task to sorting and providing the labels.</li></ul> <ul><li>The BIB file format is not strictly standardised. The fields that are provided and their format depend solely on the current BST style. Although there is strong overlap in the functionality of BST styles, the file format is not as unambiguous as other bibliography file formats.</li></ul> <ul><li>Poorly maintained; current version is 0.99c for years (I must check for how long exactly) although all these problems are well-known.</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Bronger" title="User:Bronger">Torsten Bronger</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Bronger-2007-04-08T09:17:00.000Z-Drawbacks_of_BibTeX" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bronger-2007-04-08T09:17:00.000Z-Drawbacks_of_BibTeX"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bronger-2007-04-08T09:17:00.000Z-Drawbacks_of_BibTeX"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2007-04-08T11:11:00.000Z-Bronger-2007-04-08T09:17:00.000Z"></span>Some of these points could be added to (or expanded in) the main text. I think others might be difficult to find a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> for and to present with a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a>. The only other bibliographic software criticism I see is <a href="/wiki/EndNote#Issues" title="EndNote">EndNote#Issues</a>, which should probably not be used as the model. We don't want <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Karnesky-2007-04-08T11:11:00.000Z-Bronger-2007-04-08T09:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2007-04-08T11:11:00.000Z-Bronger-2007-04-08T09:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2007-04-08T11:11:00.000Z-Bronger-2007-04-08T09:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="BibTeX_logo_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-BibTeX_logo_question-2007-07-13T18:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BibTeX_logo_question-2007-07-13T18:36:00.000Z"></span>BibTeX logo question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BibTeX_logo_question-2007-07-13T18:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: BibTeX logo question"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timoteostewart-2007-07-13T18:36:00.000Z-BibTeX_logo_question"></span>Is the BibTeX logo accurately drawn? It uses the TeX logo, but in the TeX logo (<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TeX_logo.svg">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TeX_logo.svg</a>), the T and E and X are all slightly touching. I realize this is picky, but what's the use of a top-flight typographical language if you don't get to be picky sometimes? </p><p>I don't know enough about the BibTeX logo or drawing programs to redraw the logo myself; and--who knows?--maybe in the BibTeX logo the T and E and X aren't supposed to touch. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Timoteostewart" title="User:Timoteostewart">Timoteostewart</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Timoteostewart-2007-07-13T18:36:00.000Z-BibTeX_logo_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timoteostewart-2007-07-13T18:36:00.000Z-BibTeX_logo_question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timoteostewart-2007-07-13T18:36:00.000Z-BibTeX_logo_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84user-2011-07-15T19:34:00.000Z-Timoteostewart-2007-07-13T18:36:00.000Z"></span>(Four years later) I just noticed this. Accordingly, I have replaced it with the more accurate logo <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:BibTeX_logo.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/BibTeX_logo.png/80px-BibTeX_logo.png" decoding="async" width="80" height="22" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/BibTeX_logo.png/120px-BibTeX_logo.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/BibTeX_logo.png/160px-BibTeX_logo.png 2x" data-file-width="2573" data-file-height="712"/></a></span>, although that has the "E" character serif's passing somewhat through the "X". Maybe someone could produce a yet more accurate version? -<a href="/wiki/User:84user" title="User:84user">84user</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:84user" title="User talk:84user">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-84user-2011-07-15T19:34:00.000Z-Timoteostewart-2007-07-13T18:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 15 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84user-2011-07-15T19:34:00.000Z-Timoteostewart-2007-07-13T18:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-84user-2011-07-15T19:34:00.000Z-Timoteostewart-2007-07-13T18:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="INBOOK_VS_INCOLLECTION" data-mw-thread-id="h-INBOOK_VS_INCOLLECTION-2007-08-30T21:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-INBOOK_VS_INCOLLECTION-2007-08-30T21:18:00.000Z"></span>INBOOK VS INCOLLECTION<span data-mw-comment-end="h-INBOOK_VS_INCOLLECTION-2007-08-30T21:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: INBOOK VS INCOLLECTION"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PierreWiki-2007-08-30T21:18:00.000Z-INBOOK_VS_INCOLLECTION"></span>What is the difference between those two types? Common sense would say that INCOLLECTION is a book in a collection of book, but my understanding is that it is actually a chapter when the title is available. You use INBOOK when the title of the chapter is not available. This does not make much sence though... Why anohter type when a field is not available? And why calling it INCOLLECTION? </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:PierreWiki" title="User:PierreWiki">PierreWiki</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-PierreWiki-2007-08-30T21:18:00.000Z-INBOOK_VS_INCOLLECTION" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PierreWiki-2007-08-30T21:18:00.000Z-INBOOK_VS_INCOLLECTION"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PierreWiki-2007-08-30T21:18:00.000Z-INBOOK_VS_INCOLLECTION"></span> </p><p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Raichu2-2007-09-12T05:57:00.000Z-INBOOK_VS_INCOLLECTION"></span> It depends on whether you're (a) citing a work that happens to be published together with other material in a larger published volume, or (b) you're citing a book only focusing on a particular chapter or set of pages. </p><p>Personally I'd normally use INBOOK unless there is a good reason to do otherwise. If you use INCOLLECTION, the title field (the cited work) is the section you're referring to and the booktitle field is the name of the published volume. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Raichu2" title="User:Raichu2">Raichu2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Raichu2-2007-09-12T05:57:00.000Z-INBOOK_VS_INCOLLECTION" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raichu2-2007-09-12T05:57:00.000Z-INBOOK_VS_INCOLLECTION"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Raichu2-2007-09-12T05:57:00.000Z-INBOOK_VS_INCOLLECTION"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-140.226.23.186-2008-02-01T22:20:00.000Z-INBOOK_VS_INCOLLECTION"></span>If you've got a book that was written by a single author and you want to cite one chapter of it, use INBOOK. If you've got a book that was written by multiple people, with each having authored one chapter/article in it, then use INCOLLECTION. That lets you separate out book authorship/editorship from chapter/article authorship. INBOOK doesn't let you do that. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/140.226.23.186" title="Special:Contributions/140.226.23.186">140.226.23.186</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:140.226.23.186&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:140.226.23.186 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-140.226.23.186-2008-02-01T22:20:00.000Z-INBOOK_VS_INCOLLECTION" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 1 February 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-140.226.23.186-2008-02-01T22:20:00.000Z-INBOOK_VS_INCOLLECTION"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-140.226.23.186-2008-02-01T22:20:00.000Z-INBOOK_VS_INCOLLECTION"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-150.203.212.101-20220818093600-140.226.23.186-2008-02-01T22:20:00.000Z"></span>that's right. You get errors using the 'editor' field with @INBOOK. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/150.203.212.101" title="Special:Contributions/150.203.212.101">150.203.212.101</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:150.203.212.101" title="User talk:150.203.212.101">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-150.203.212.101-20220818093600-140.226.23.186-2008-02-01T22:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:36, 18 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-150.203.212.101-20220818093600-140.226.23.186-2008-02-01T22:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-150.203.212.101-20220818093600-140.226.23.186-2008-02-01T22:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Most_of_this_page_needs_to_go" data-mw-thread-id="h-Most_of_this_page_needs_to_go-2009-04-23T11:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Most_of_this_page_needs_to_go-2009-04-23T11:16:00.000Z"></span>Most of this page needs to go<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Most_of_this_page_needs_to_go-2009-04-23T11:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Most of this page needs to go"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thumperward-2009-04-23T11:16:00.000Z-Most_of_this_page_needs_to_go"></span>At the moment this page does not provide an encycopedic overview of bibTeX, more a manual page followed by a link farm. We should delete all of this detail and refer to other sources. — <a href="/wiki/User:Ciphergoth/Please_don%27t_use_this" title="User:Ciphergoth/Please don't use this">ciphergoth</a> 11:34, 23 May 2008 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>I've started on this. <a href="/wiki/User:Thumperward" title="User:Thumperward">Chris Cunningham (not at work)</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thumperward" title="User talk:Thumperward">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Thumperward-2009-04-23T11:16:00.000Z-Most_of_this_page_needs_to_go" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thumperward-2009-04-23T11:16:00.000Z-Most_of_this_page_needs_to_go"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thumperward-2009-04-23T11:16:00.000Z-Most_of_this_page_needs_to_go"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="status_of_bibtex" data-mw-thread-id="h-status_of_bibtex-2010-07-28T21:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-status_of_bibtex-2010-07-28T21:49:00.000Z"></span>status of bibtex<span data-mw-comment-end="h-status_of_bibtex-2010-07-28T21:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: status of bibtex"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.233.125.182-2010-07-29T00:58:00.000Z-status_of_bibtex"></span>as of 28 July 2010 : BibTeX is NOT discontinued. Oren IS the maintainer. please see : </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://tug.org/svn/texlive/trunk/Build/source/texk/web2c/bibtex.web?view=log">http://tug.org/svn/texlive/trunk/Build/source/texk/web2c/bibtex.web?view=log</a> and notably : Revision 17398 - (view) (download) (annotate) - [select for diffs] Modified Tue Mar 9 16:51:12 2010 UTC (4 months, 2 weeks ago) by karl File length: 384493 byte(s) Diff to previous 17253 final 0.99d from Oren </p><p>... i recommend that where the article says : </p><p>Discontinued 0.99c / February 1988; 22 years ago Development status Unmaintained </p><p>... be changed to fit the facts. see the texhax email list too. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.233.125.182" title="Special:Contributions/71.233.125.182">71.233.125.182</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:71.233.125.182&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:71.233.125.182 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 00:58, 29 July 2010 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bryanlepore&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bryanlepore (page does not exist)">Bryanlepore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bryanlepore" title="User talk:Bryanlepore">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bryanlepore" title="Special:Contributions/Bryanlepore">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-71.233.125.182-2010-07-29T00:58:00.000Z-status_of_bibtex" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 28 July 2010 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.233.125.182-2010-07-29T00:58:00.000Z-status_of_bibtex"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.233.125.182-2010-07-29T00:58:00.000Z-status_of_bibtex"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oneiros-2010-07-28T21:49:00.000Z-71.233.125.182-2010-07-29T00:58:00.000Z"></span>After how many years do you consider a software unmaintained? 0.99d is the first release since <i>1988</i> (22 years). BibTeX 1.00 is and will always be <a href="/wiki/Vaporware" title="Vaporware">vaporware</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Oneiros" title="User:Oneiros">Oneiros</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oneiros" title="User talk:Oneiros">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Oneiros-2010-07-28T21:49:00.000Z-71.233.125.182-2010-07-29T00:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 28 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oneiros-2010-07-28T21:49:00.000Z-71.233.125.182-2010-07-29T00:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oneiros-2010-07-28T21:49:00.000Z-71.233.125.182-2010-07-29T00:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.233.125.182-2010-07-29T00:58:00.000Z-status_of_bibtex-1"></span>wow, that was fast - hmm. i see your point - they do however always put it into TeXLive. is there another term for such packages? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.233.125.182" title="Special:Contributions/71.233.125.182">71.233.125.182</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:71.233.125.182&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:71.233.125.182 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 00:58, 29 July 2010 (UTC) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.233.125.182" title="Special:Contributions/71.233.125.182">71.233.125.182</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:71.233.125.182&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:71.233.125.182 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-71.233.125.182-2010-07-29T00:58:00.000Z-status_of_bibtex-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:42, 29 July 2010 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.233.125.182-2010-07-29T00:58:00.000Z-status_of_bibtex-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.233.125.182-2010-07-29T00:58:00.000Z-status_of_bibtex-1"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2010-07-29T00:55:00.000Z-71.233.125.182-2010-07-29T00:58:00.000Z"></span>Just because the two releases are separated by a significant amount of time does not mean that the package is "unmaintained". The revisions made my 71.233.125.182 are fine. We can, alternatively, merely omit the "status" line. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky" title="User talk:Karnesky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Karnesky-2010-07-29T00:55:00.000Z-71.233.125.182-2010-07-29T00:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:55, 29 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2010-07-29T00:55:00.000Z-71.233.125.182-2010-07-29T00:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2010-07-29T00:55:00.000Z-71.233.125.182-2010-07-29T00:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oneiros-2010-07-29T14:10:00.000Z-Karnesky-2010-07-29T00:55:00.000Z"></span>22 years between releases is probably a record. I repeat: Till the change for 0.99d the software was unmaintained. I don't think it's maintained now—I doubt that we will ever see another release. And just because the software still compiles doesn't mean it's maintained.--<a href="/wiki/User:Oneiros" title="User:Oneiros">Oneiros</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oneiros" title="User talk:Oneiros">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Oneiros-2010-07-29T14:10:00.000Z-Karnesky-2010-07-29T00:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oneiros-2010-07-29T14:10:00.000Z-Karnesky-2010-07-29T00:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oneiros-2010-07-29T14:10:00.000Z-Karnesky-2010-07-29T00:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2010-07-29T15:09:00.000Z-Oneiros-2010-07-29T14:10:00.000Z"></span>I'm not saying you can't maintain that opinion. I'm just saying that it is unverifiable original research that does not belong in the article. Any claim in the article that this is "unmaintained" should be followed by a citation. Again, I'd be fine with not having any status line in the infobox. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky" title="User talk:Karnesky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Karnesky-2010-07-29T15:09:00.000Z-Oneiros-2010-07-29T14:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:09, 29 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2010-07-29T15:09:00.000Z-Oneiros-2010-07-29T14:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2010-07-29T15:09:00.000Z-Oneiros-2010-07-29T14:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oneiros-2010-07-29T22:11:00.000Z-Karnesky-2010-07-29T15:09:00.000Z"></span>Would a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://river-valley.tv/panel/">video of the author announcing a new release real soon now in 2007</a> be enough to mark the software as unmaintained in 2010?--<a href="/wiki/User:Oneiros" title="User:Oneiros">Oneiros</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oneiros" title="User talk:Oneiros">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Oneiros-2010-07-29T22:11:00.000Z-Karnesky-2010-07-29T15:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 29 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oneiros-2010-07-29T22:11:00.000Z-Karnesky-2010-07-29T15:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oneiros-2010-07-29T22:11:00.000Z-Karnesky-2010-07-29T15:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnesky-2010-07-30T01:41:00.000Z-Oneiros-2010-07-29T22:11:00.000Z"></span>No: that would require a biased interpretation of a primary source. See also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SYNTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SYNTH">WP:SYNTH</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karnesky" title="User:Karnesky">Karnesky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Karnesky" title="User talk:Karnesky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Karnesky-2010-07-30T01:41:00.000Z-Oneiros-2010-07-29T22:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnesky-2010-07-30T01:41:00.000Z-Oneiros-2010-07-29T22:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnesky-2010-07-30T01:41:00.000Z-Oneiros-2010-07-29T22:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="conference,_inproceedings_(Entry_types)" data-mw-thread-id="h-conference,_inproceedings_(Entry_types)-2011-07-25T12:07:00.000Z"><span id="conference.2C_inproceedings_.28Entry_types.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-conference,_inproceedings_(Entry_types)-2011-07-25T12:07:00.000Z"></span>conference, inproceedings (Entry types)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-conference,_inproceedings_(Entry_types)-2011-07-25T12:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: conference, inproceedings (Entry types)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-193.174.3.88-2011-07-25T12:07:00.000Z-conference,_inproceedings_(Entry_types)"></span>For conference, it says: The same as inproceedings ... Yet, inproceedings has the optional field series, conference doesn't. Which one is wrong? Or is this difference correct / on purpose? --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/193.174.3.88" title="Special:Contributions/193.174.3.88">193.174.3.88</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:193.174.3.88&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:193.174.3.88 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-193.174.3.88-2011-07-25T12:07:00.000Z-conference,_inproceedings_(Entry_types)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 25 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-193.174.3.88-2011-07-25T12:07:00.000Z-conference,_inproceedings_(Entry_types)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-193.174.3.88-2011-07-25T12:07:00.000Z-conference,_inproceedings_(Entry_types)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_to_cite_a_website?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_to_cite_a_website?-2012-06-25T15:06:00.000Z"><span id="How_to_cite_a_website.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_to_cite_a_website?-2012-06-25T15:06:00.000Z"></span>How to cite a website?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_to_cite_a_website?-2012-06-25T15:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: How to cite a website?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultinate-2012-06-25T15:06:00.000Z-How_to_cite_a_website?"></span>We should mention a way how to cite a website here. Ideas: </p> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/35977/how-to-add-a-url-to-a-latex-bibtex-file">http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/35977/how-to-add-a-url-to-a-latex-bibtex-file</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://win.ua.ac.be/~nschloe/content/bibtex-how-cite-website">http://win.ua.ac.be/~nschloe/content/bibtex-how-cite-website</a> <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ultinate&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ultinate (page does not exist)">Ultinate</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ultinate&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Ultinate (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ultinate" title="Special:Contributions/Ultinate">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Ultinate-2012-06-25T15:06:00.000Z-How_to_cite_a_website?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 25 June 2012 (UTC)</a></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultinate-2012-06-25T15:06:00.000Z-How_to_cite_a_website?"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultinate-2012-06-25T15:06:00.000Z-How_to_cite_a_website?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removed_broken_links" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removed_broken_links-2013-09-26T20:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removed_broken_links-2013-09-26T20:20:00.000Z"></span>Removed broken links<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removed_broken_links-2013-09-26T20:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Removed broken links"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mcswell-2013-09-26T20:20:00.000Z-Removed_broken_links"></span>I removed the links to an FAQ (and inside that FAQ) that pointed to colorado.edu. The FAQ is apparently no longer there; I did a search at the colorado.edu website, and also in Google. If the site comes back, I guess the URL can be retrieved from the history. <a href="/wiki/User:Mcswell" title="User:Mcswell">Mcswell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mcswell" title="User talk:Mcswell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Mcswell-2013-09-26T20:20:00.000Z-Removed_broken_links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 26 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mcswell-2013-09-26T20:20:00.000Z-Removed_broken_links"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mcswell-2013-09-26T20:20:00.000Z-Removed_broken_links"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Biblatex_extension_@ONLINE?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Biblatex_extension_@ONLINE?"><span id="Biblatex_extension_.40ONLINE.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Biblatex_extension_@ONLINE?"></span>Biblatex extension @ONLINE?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Biblatex_extension_@ONLINE?"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Biblatex extension @ONLINE?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I'm not sure if it would be appropriate to include extensions found in biblatex. For instance, biblatex offers the @ONLINE extension. </p><p>Source: </p> <pre><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://nschloe.blogspot.com/2009/06/bibtex-how-to-cite-website_21.html">http://nschloe.blogspot.com/2009/06/bibtex-how-to-cite-website_21.html</a> </pre> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Field_types_not_in_official_documentation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Field_types_not_in_official_documentation-2015-03-16T23:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Field_types_not_in_official_documentation-2015-03-16T23:01:00.000Z"></span>Field types not in official documentation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Field_types_not_in_official_documentation-2015-03-16T23:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Field types not in official documentation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EmmetCaulfield-2015-03-16T23:01:00.000Z-Field_types_not_in_official_documentation"></span>The field types <tt>doi</tt>, <tt>eprint</tt>, and <tt>url</tt> are in the list of field types. </p><p>While these might occasionally be seen in the wild, they are <i>not</i> documented in the latest version of <i>BibTeXing</i>. </p><p>If the criterion is “any field supported by any style”, then one would have to include <tt>isbn</tt>, <tt>issn</tt>, <tt>abstract</tt>, and probably a few dozen more. </p><p>If the criterion is “fields supported by BibTeX default styles”, then these should either be removed as not being supported or their continued inclusion should be justified by a citation, since they are absent from the official documentation. <a href="/wiki/User:EmmetCaulfield" title="User:EmmetCaulfield">EmmetCaulfield</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EmmetCaulfield" title="User talk:EmmetCaulfield">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-EmmetCaulfield-2015-03-16T23:01:00.000Z-Field_types_not_in_official_documentation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 16 March 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EmmetCaulfield-2015-03-16T23:01:00.000Z-Field_types_not_in_official_documentation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EmmetCaulfield-2015-03-16T23:01:00.000Z-Field_types_not_in_official_documentation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Psychonaut-2015-03-17T09:04:00.000Z-EmmetCaulfield-2015-03-16T23:01:00.000Z"></span>OK, fixed. —<a href="/wiki/User:Psychonaut" title="User:Psychonaut">Psychonaut</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Psychonaut" title="User talk:Psychonaut">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Psychonaut-2015-03-17T09:04:00.000Z-EmmetCaulfield-2015-03-16T23:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 17 March 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Psychonaut-2015-03-17T09:04:00.000Z-EmmetCaulfield-2015-03-16T23:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Psychonaut-2015-03-17T09:04:00.000Z-EmmetCaulfield-2015-03-16T23:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="BibTeX_syntax_highlighting_lost" data-mw-thread-id="h-BibTeX_syntax_highlighting_lost-2015-07-12T02:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BibTeX_syntax_highlighting_lost-2015-07-12T02:35:00.000Z"></span>BibTeX syntax highlighting lost<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BibTeX_syntax_highlighting_lost-2015-07-12T02:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: BibTeX syntax highlighting lost"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_Vandenberg-2015-07-12T02:35:00.000Z-BibTeX_syntax_highlighting_lost"></span>Since the switch from Geshi to Pygments for syntax highlighting (<a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85794" class="extiw" title="phab:T85794">phab:T85794</a>), support for BibTeX was unfortunately dropped, as can be seen with the plain text formatting on this page and others. If you want bibtex syntax highlight support again, it will need to be added to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://pygments.org/">Pygments</a>. <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><a href="/wiki/User:John_Vandenberg" title="User:John Vandenberg">John Vandenberg</a> <sup><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Vandenberg" title="User talk:John Vandenberg">chat</a>)</b></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-John_Vandenberg-2015-07-12T02:35:00.000Z-BibTeX_syntax_highlighting_lost" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:35, 12 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_Vandenberg-2015-07-12T02:35:00.000Z-BibTeX_syntax_highlighting_lost"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_Vandenberg-2015-07-12T02:35:00.000Z-BibTeX_syntax_highlighting_lost"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_Vandenberg-2015-07-12T03:02:00.000Z-John_Vandenberg-2015-07-12T02:35:00.000Z"></span>I have put up a <a class="external text" href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/224297/">patch</a> for bibtex to fall back to using LaTeX syntax as a temporary measure. <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><a href="/wiki/User:John_Vandenberg" title="User:John Vandenberg">John Vandenberg</a> <sup><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Vandenberg" title="User talk:John Vandenberg">chat</a>)</b></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-John_Vandenberg-2015-07-12T03:02:00.000Z-John_Vandenberg-2015-07-12T02:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:02, 12 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_Vandenberg-2015-07-12T03:02:00.000Z-John_Vandenberg-2015-07-12T02:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_Vandenberg-2015-07-12T03:02:00.000Z-John_Vandenberg-2015-07-12T02:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="External_links_modified" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified-2016-03-02T12:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links_modified-2016-03-02T12:45:00.000Z"></span>External links modified<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links_modified-2016-03-02T12:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: External links modified"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cyberbot_II-2016-03-02T12:45:00.000Z-External_links_modified"></span>Hello fellow Wikipedians, </p><p>I have just added archive links to one external link on <a href="/wiki/BibTeX" title="BibTeX">BibTeX</a>. Please take a moment to review <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=707898295">my edit</a>. If necessary, add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cbignore" title="Template:Cbignore">cbignore</a>}}</code> after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Nobots" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Nobots">nobots</a>|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}</code> to keep me off the page altogether. 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And the section on style files should certainly have been kept, because use of style files is an important part of BibTeX. If necessary, the example and following matter for style files could have been removed. </p><p>Could others please weigh in on this? I don't want to just jump into reverting it. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/130.216.37.202" title="Special:Contributions/130.216.37.202">130.216.37.202</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:130.216.37.202" title="User talk:130.216.37.202">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-130.216.37.202-2016-04-21T00:19:00.000Z-User:Toddst1's_recent_edits_removed_too_much" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 21 April 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-130.216.37.202-2016-04-21T00:19:00.000Z-User:Toddst1's_recent_edits_removed_too_much"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-130.216.37.202-2016-04-21T00:19:00.000Z-User:Toddst1's_recent_edits_removed_too_much"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mark_viking-2016-04-21T03:02:00.000Z-130.216.37.202-2016-04-21T00:19:00.000Z"></span>I agree, the clean up tossed some good material, too. Deleting the styles section in particular was a mistake; these are central to BibTeX. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mark_viking" title="User:Mark viking">Mark viking</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mark_viking" title="User talk:Mark viking">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Mark_viking-2016-04-21T03:02:00.000Z-130.216.37.202-2016-04-21T00:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mark_viking-2016-04-21T03:02:00.000Z-130.216.37.202-2016-04-21T00:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mark_viking-2016-04-21T03:02:00.000Z-130.216.37.202-2016-04-21T00:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mark_viking-2016-04-21T03:33:00.000Z-130.216.37.202-2016-04-21T00:19:00.000Z"></span>I re-added the file structure and style file sections using a summary style that shouldn't run afoul of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTMANUAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTMANUAL">WP:NOTMANUAL</a>. See what you think. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mark_viking" title="User:Mark viking">Mark viking</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mark_viking" title="User talk:Mark viking">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-Mark_viking-2016-04-21T03:33:00.000Z-130.216.37.202-2016-04-21T00:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:33, 21 April 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mark_viking-2016-04-21T03:33:00.000Z-130.216.37.202-2016-04-21T00:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mark_viking-2016-04-21T03:33:00.000Z-130.216.37.202-2016-04-21T00:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="External_links_modified_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified_2-2016-04-24T07:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links_modified_2-2016-04-24T07:48:00.000Z"></span>External links modified<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links_modified_2-2016-04-24T07:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:BibTeX&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: External links modified"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cyberbot_II-2016-04-24T07:48:00.000Z-External_links_modified_2"></span>Hello fellow Wikipedians, </p><p>I have just modified one external link on <a href="/wiki/BibTeX" title="BibTeX">BibTeX</a>. 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This had a reference on an unrelated topic; I think as an oblique exemplar to demonstrate the site's use of BibTex. I removed that, added an internal reference to <a href="/wiki/Google.ai" class="mw-redirect" title="Google.ai">Google.ai</a>, and in that page added the Publication database to the "Projects" section with an external reference (link). </p><p>One of the primary factors influencing my decision to begin editing Wikipedia was the Five Pillars <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PILLARS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PILLARS">WP:PILLARS</a>. Writing, even technical writing requiring referencing, is an art. I am not alone in understanding that hard rules kill style (see <a href="/wiki/Benjamin_Dreyer" title="Benjamin Dreyer">Benjamin Dreyer</a>'s <i>Dreyer's English: An Utterly Correct Guide to Clarity and Style</i> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:P5&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:P5 (page does not exist)">WP:P5</a>). </p><p>Concerning the 'Uses' section, each item is internally linked — backed by another wiki article. This easily meets the guidance in both <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources" title="Wikipedia:Citing sources">Wikipedia:Citing sources</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Inline_citation" title="Wikipedia:Inline citation">Wikipedia:Inline citation</a>. That is, the section is <i>completely referenced</i>. </p><p>I allow that several of the linked articles are stubs or otherwise in need of improvement. Such is the state of the entire project — any project involving our changing knowledge and understanding. By nature the Wikipedia project is built upon hypertext and links. "Internal links bind the project together into an interconnected whole."<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p><p>Maintenance templates are broad brushes / gross tools. When this template was applied, the section was remarkably the same as it is now with each item internally linked (see <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&oldid=693172427#Uses">DissidentAggressor's version at 21:59, 30 November 2015</a></span>, <a href="/wiki/User:DissidentAggressor" title="User:DissidentAggressor">DissidentAggressor</a>). If the internally linked articles are insufficiently referenced, calls for improvement are appropriate there. Avoiding absolutism and pursuing another Pillar, there are many means to address issues/concerns. Our primary means is here. In this instance, before placing the banner it might have been useful to begin a talk page section asking for input/feedback. With some fuzziness, types of feedback, inorder, are generally <a href="/wiki/Doxa" title="Doxa">doxa</a>, <a href="/wiki/Techne" title="Techne">techne</a>, <a href="/wiki/Episteme" title="Episteme">episteme</a>, but mostly <a href="/wiki/Phronesis" title="Phronesis">phronesis</a>. Uninformed, unmindful opinion (often popular) may be a start, but it is rarely, if ever, better than informed, relevant experience (techne); a broader, deeper knowledge base (episteme); or synthesis of the latter two to some degree (phronesis). Since I'm on a roll, my inclination goes toward Stoicism<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> and Philosophical Taoism.<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p><p>My point — discretion/balance and context matter. The section template is unwarranted. I will monitor feedback for a while before removing the template. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BiosocialPolymath&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BiosocialPolymath (page does not exist)">BiosocialPolymath</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BiosocialPolymath" title="User talk:BiosocialPolymath">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BibTeX#c-BiosocialPolymath-2019-05-08T17:44:00.000Z-Uses_–_The_'unreferenced'_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 8 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BiosocialPolymath-2019-05-08T17:44:00.000Z-Uses_–_The_'unreferenced'_template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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