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id="A_Space_of_Their_Own,_a_New_Online_Database,_Will_Feature_Works_by_600+_Overlooked_Female_Artists_from_the_15th-19th_Centuries" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_Space_of_Their_Own,_a_New_Online_Database,_Will_Feature_Works_by_600+_Overlook-2018-11-13T02:11:00.000Z"><span id="A_Space_of_Their_Own.2C_a_New_Online_Database.2C_Will_Feature_Works_by_600.2B_Overlooked_Female_Artists_from_the_15th-19th_Centuries"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_Space_of_Their_Own,_a_New_Online_Database,_Will_Feature_Works_by_600+_Overlook-2018-11-13T02:11:00.000Z"></span>A Space of Their Own, a New Online Database, Will Feature Works by 600+ Overlooked Female Artists from the 15th-19th Centuries<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_Space_of_Their_Own,_a_New_Online_Database,_Will_Feature_Works_by_600+_Overlook-2018-11-13T02:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-13T02:11:00.000Z-A_Space_of_Their_Own,_a_New_Online_Database,_Will_Feature_Works_by_600+_Overlook"></span>Check it out: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.openculture.com/2018/11/prepare-online-database-600-overlooked-female-artists-15th-19th-centuries.html?fbclid=IwAR23Jpp2E1H19_c69s0pezBwhlGZ9rkaQ0ZEdSBl3RseDyiWwRTmBAU193w">A Space of Their Own, a New Online Database, Will Feature Works by 600+ Overlooked Female Artists from the 15th-19th Centuries</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosiestep" title="User talk:Rosiestep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Rosiestep-2018-11-13T02:11:00.000Z-A_Space_of_Their_Own,_a_New_Online_Database,_Will_Feature_Works_by_600+_Overlook" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:11, 13 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-13T02:11:00.000Z-A_Space_of_Their_Own,_a_New_Online_Database,_Will_Feature_Works_by_600+_Overlook"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-13T02:11:00.000Z-A_Space_of_Their_Own,_a_New_Online_Database,_Will_Feature_Works_by_600+_Overlook"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-2018-11-15T17:28:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-13T02:11:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the interesting link! Reposted on my social media accounts. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-David_Eppstein-2018-11-15T17:28:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-13T02:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-2018-11-15T17:28:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-13T02:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-2018-11-15T17:28:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-13T02:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Two_questions_about_newly_created_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Two_questions_about_newly_created_article-2018-11-15T05:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Two_questions_about_newly_created_article-2018-11-15T05:32:00.000Z"></span>Two questions about newly created article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Two_questions_about_newly_created_article-2018-11-15T05:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SL93-2018-11-15T05:32:00.000Z-Two_questions_about_newly_created_article"></span>I created <a href="/wiki/Lila_Gene_George" class="mw-redirect" title="Lila Gene George">Lila Gene George</a> and I have two questions - How do I add an entry on Wikidata and how do I cite Newspapers.com correctly? <a href="/wiki/User:SL93" title="User:SL93">SL93</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SL93" title="User talk:SL93">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SL93-2018-11-15T05:32:00.000Z-Two_questions_about_newly_created_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:32, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SL93-2018-11-15T05:32:00.000Z-Two_questions_about_newly_created_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SL93-2018-11-15T05:32:00.000Z-Two_questions_about_newly_created_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-15T08:36:00.000Z-SL93-2018-11-15T05:32:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:SL93" title="User:SL93">SL93</a>:</span> I see the wikidata link has been made. But the (easiest) answer to Q1 is, install <a class="external text" href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:WE-Framework">this gadget</a>, 'cos it's ace. If not, go to <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page</a> and search to see if there is already an entry for Lila George and if there is not, <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:NewItem">create a new item</a>, and maybe wade through the introduction section <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Community_portal">here</a> ... and when you have created the wikidata item, add a sitelink back to the en.wiki article. (TBH, you need to check whether an item corresponding to an article subject exists, whether you take the gadget route or the manual route.) Wikidata is very very far from intuitive, but great fun once it all clicks into place. Newspapers.com ... not sure. Probably use <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_news" title="Template:Cite news">cite news</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, but with a newspapers.com URL. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tagishsimon" title="User talk:Tagishsimon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-15T08:36:00.000Z-SL93-2018-11-15T05:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:36, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-15T08:36:00.000Z-SL93-2018-11-15T05:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-15T08:36:00.000Z-SL93-2018-11-15T05:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-15T08:51:00.000Z-SL93-2018-11-15T05:32:00.000Z"></span>(edit conflict) <dl><dd>Hi there, <a href="/wiki/User:SL93" title="User:SL93">SL93</a>, and thanks for all your biographies of women. I noticed that you have not been using <code>{{DEFAULTSORT:}}</code> in your biographies. (You can include it by clicking on it in the Wiki markup at the foot of the page you are editing.) It's important as it gives the correct alphabetical order in category listings, etc. It's also useful to add <code>{{authority control}}</code> to biographies. I've been back over your recent articles and added both. On Wikidata, I must say I found it pretty difficult to edit the standard Wikidata at <a class="external free" href="https://wikidata.org/">http://wikidata.org/</a>. I found it much easier when I installed the Wikidata gadget. You can find out all about it <a class="external text" href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:WE-Framework">here</a>. As for citing newspapers, I use the following parameters: <code><ref>{{cite web|url=|title=|author=|publisher=|date=|accessdate= |language=}}</ref></code>. It could, for example, look like this: <code><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/15/japan-cyber-security-ministernever-used-computer-yoshitaka-sakurada|title=System error: Japan cyber security minister admits he has never used a computer |author=McCurry, Yoshitaka|publisher=''The Guardian''|date=15 November 2018|accessdate=15 November 2018 |language=}}</ref></code>. I would also encourage you to use the article talk pages, adding the appropriate WIR tags whenever possible. Hope this helps.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ipigott-2018-11-15T08:51:00.000Z-SL93-2018-11-15T05:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:51, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-15T08:51:00.000Z-SL93-2018-11-15T05:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-2018-11-15T08:51:00.000Z-SL93-2018-11-15T05:32:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-15T10:37:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-15T08:51:00.000Z"></span>I've just noticed you are not yet a member of Women in Red. You can join by registering in the box at the top of the main <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red">Women in Red</a> page. In connection with women's biographies, you might also find it useful to look through our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Essays/Ten_Simple_Rules_for_Women_in_Red" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Essays/Ten Simple Rules for Women in Red">Ten Simple Rules</a> and our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Essays/Primer_for_creating_women%27s_biographies" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Essays/Primer for creating women's biographies">Primer for creating women's biographies</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ipigott-2018-11-15T10:37:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-15T08:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-15T10:37:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-15T08:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-2018-11-15T10:37:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-15T08:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Penny_Richards-2018-11-15T14:54:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-15T08:51:00.000Z"></span>There's a sample citation at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Newspapers.com" title="Wikipedia:Newspapers.com">WP:Newspapers.com</a> page. <a href="/wiki/User:Penny_Richards" title="User:Penny Richards">Penny Richards</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Penny_Richards" title="User talk:Penny Richards">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Penny_Richards-2018-11-15T14:54:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-15T08:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Penny_Richards-2018-11-15T14:54:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-15T08:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Penny_Richards-2018-11-15T14:54:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-15T08:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T15:23:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2018-11-15T14:54:00.000Z"></span>Oooh, thanks for pointing that out. I've noticed some people linking to clippings on newspapers.com but I didn't realize it was actually recommended policy to link this way. Makes total sense now that I read that page. Also good to know the clippings won't disappear if my account were to go away - that was part of my concern. Learn something new every day. --<a href="/wiki/User:Krelnik" title="User:Krelnik">Krelnik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Krelnik" title="User talk:Krelnik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T15:23:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2018-11-15T14:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T15:23:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2018-11-15T14:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T15:23:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2018-11-15T14:54:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SL93-2018-11-15T15:36:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2018-11-15T14:54:00.000Z"></span>I must not be clipping it correctly because when I click on the clipping link, it only shows a small portion of what I need. <a href="/wiki/User:SL93" title="User:SL93">SL93</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SL93" title="User talk:SL93">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SL93-2018-11-15T15:36:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2018-11-15T14:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SL93-2018-11-15T15:36:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2018-11-15T14:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SL93-2018-11-15T15:36:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2018-11-15T14:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SL93-2018-11-15T15:38:00.000Z-SL93-2018-11-15T15:36:00.000Z"></span>Oh, I found out what I did wrong. <a href="/wiki/User:SL93" title="User:SL93">SL93</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SL93" title="User talk:SL93">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SL93-2018-11-15T15:38:00.000Z-SL93-2018-11-15T15:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SL93-2018-11-15T15:38:00.000Z-SL93-2018-11-15T15:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SL93-2018-11-15T15:38:00.000Z-SL93-2018-11-15T15:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SL93-2018-11-15T18:10:00.000Z-Two_questions_about_newly_created_article"></span>Ipigott</a> Thanks for your help. I looked at the list of members and I see my username there. It looks like I just forgot the userbox. <a href="/wiki/User:SL93" title="User:SL93">SL93</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SL93" title="User talk:SL93">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SL93-2018-11-15T18:10:00.000Z-Two_questions_about_newly_created_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:10, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SL93-2018-11-15T18:10:00.000Z-Two_questions_about_newly_created_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SL93-2018-11-15T18:10:00.000Z-Two_questions_about_newly_created_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:SL93" title="User:SL93"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-16T07:52:00.000Z-SL93-2018-11-15T18:10:00.000Z"></span>SL93</a>: Sorry, I should have checked more carefully. I checked the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Outreach/List" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/List">mailing list</a> and found you were not there. I've now added your name. If you don't want to receive our monthly notices, please feel free to remove it and add your name to our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Outreach/Opt-out" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/Opt-out">Opt-out list</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ipigott-2018-11-16T07:52:00.000Z-SL93-2018-11-15T18:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:52, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-16T07:52:00.000Z-SL93-2018-11-15T18:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-2018-11-16T07:52:00.000Z-SL93-2018-11-15T18:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lady_Angela_Forbes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lady_Angela_Forbes-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lady_Angela_Forbes-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Lady_Angela_Forbes" title="Lady Angela Forbes">Lady Angela Forbes</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lady_Angela_Forbes-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z-Lady_Angela_Forbes"></span>There is a new article on an Edwardian woman being referred to on the Main Page as "an elderly gorilla afflicted with sex appeal". That comes from the pen of Edith Sitwell, it seems. There is a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ERRORS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ERRORS">WP:ERRORS</a>. Additional comments there are welcome as always. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/213.205.240.161" title="Special:Contributions/213.205.240.161">213.205.240.161</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:213.205.240.161" title="User talk:213.205.240.161">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z-Lady_Angela_Forbes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:18, 14 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z-Lady_Angela_Forbes"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z-Lady_Angela_Forbes"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-14T20:46:00.000Z-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z"></span>It would be appreciated if editors from Women in Red would comment there (in the section "DYK current"). Otherwise we'll never get it across that women shouldn't be represented that way on the main page. <a href="/wiki/User:SlimVirgin" title="User:SlimVirgin">SarahSV</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SlimVirgin" title="User talk:SlimVirgin">(talk)</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-14T20:46:00.000Z-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 14 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-14T20:46:00.000Z-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-14T20:46:00.000Z-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T21:11:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-14T20:46:00.000Z"></span>It beggars belief that this is still on the Main Page, particularly when there are such good alternatives. (Shall we mention her wartime service? No, let's lead with a sexualised insult made about her appearance, 15 years after her death.) This is shameful. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/213.205.240.161" title="Special:Contributions/213.205.240.161">213.205.240.161</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:213.205.240.161" title="User talk:213.205.240.161">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T21:11:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-14T20:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 14 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T21:11:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-14T20:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T21:11:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-14T20:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2018-11-15T00:12:00.000Z-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z"></span>Comment - Might I suggest that those who are concerned about how women are portrayed on the main page of Wikipedia, bookmark the pages that populate the daily main page: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue" title="Template:Did you know/Queue">Template:Did you know/Queue</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article" title="Wikipedia:Today's featured article">Wikipedia:Today's featured article</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates" title="Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates">Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Selected_anniversaries" title="Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries">Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries</a>. It would seem to be human nature to not necessarily be aware of what offends another group until you have walked in their shoes, and each generation measure those offenses on a different scale. So please bookmark those pages and monitor them. You may not want to monitor them, but it's like voting - look what happens when you don't do it.<a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Maile66-2018-11-15T00:12:00.000Z-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2018-11-15T00:12:00.000Z-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2018-11-15T00:12:00.000Z-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T01:26:00.000Z-Maile66-2018-11-15T00:12:00.000Z"></span>Good recommendation. I sometimes participate in DYK review in order to get my own DYK noms pushed along, and I've occasionally noticed other DYK hooks that show very poor judgment - bad grammar, slightly off-color comments, gross or shocking photos, and other stuff that just doesn't belong on the front page. Like anything else in Wikipedia, just dive in there and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">be bold</a>. Its quite common for hooks to be rejected by the reviewer and <s>marked with strikeout</s>. Be sure to compose and recommend an alternate hook if one was not already provided. BTW the place to do this work for DYK is <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know" title="Template talk:Did you know">this page for DYK</a>, by the time stuff shows up in the "queue" it has already been approved and will be harder to fix. --<a href="/wiki/User:Krelnik" title="User:Krelnik">Krelnik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Krelnik" title="User talk:Krelnik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T01:26:00.000Z-Maile66-2018-11-15T00:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:26, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T01:26:00.000Z-Maile66-2018-11-15T00:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T01:26:00.000Z-Maile66-2018-11-15T00:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T03:12:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-15T01:26:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">Maile66</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Krelnik" title="User:Krelnik">Krelnik</a>:</span> the problem is that it's too time-consuming. Looking at the page Krelnik linked to, there aren't even any descriptive headings, so you literally have to scroll through each one. No one should have to do that to keep racist and sexist hooks off the main page. There should be a policy, but any attempt to create one will devolve into <a href="/wiki/Whataboutism" title="Whataboutism">whataboutism</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:SlimVirgin" title="User:SlimVirgin">SarahSV</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SlimVirgin" title="User talk:SlimVirgin">(talk)</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T03:12:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-15T01:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T03:12:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-15T01:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T03:12:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-15T01:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:25:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T03:12:00.000Z"></span>I've got no argument with you there. I kind of dread even nominating one of my own articles because the process is so arcane. But the time-consuming nature of DYK stuff means very few people participate in it, and that's how stuff like this slips through. Perhaps we could figure out a way to automate something to flag DYKs of interest to WiR and call them to everyone's attention, like the article alert system? --<a href="/wiki/User:Krelnik" title="User:Krelnik">Krelnik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Krelnik" title="User talk:Krelnik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:25:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T03:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:25, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:25:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T03:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:25:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T03:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:32:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:25:00.000Z"></span>Update: According to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_alerts" title="Wikipedia:Article alerts">Wikipedia:Article_alerts</a> the authors are aware that the front page workflows like DYK would be useful to have in the alert system. But since DYK was proposed <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Article_alerts/Feature_requests#DYK_workflow" title="Wikipedia talk:Article alerts/Feature requests">over 8 years ago</a> it hasn't been prioritized. I'll start a another thread in that feature requests page and maybe we can all pile on to try to get it prioritized? --<a href="/wiki/User:Krelnik" title="User:Krelnik">Krelnik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Krelnik" title="User talk:Krelnik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:32:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:32, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:32:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:32:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T03:37:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:32:00.000Z"></span>Please leave a note here and/or ping people if you need support. I can't help with technical issues, but I support anything that will help to stop this. <a href="/wiki/User:SlimVirgin" title="User:SlimVirgin">SarahSV</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SlimVirgin" title="User talk:SlimVirgin">(talk)</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T03:37:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:37, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T03:37:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T03:37:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:51:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T03:37:00.000Z"></span>My <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Article_alerts/Feature_requests#Prioritize_DYK_workflow" title="Wikipedia talk:Article alerts/Feature requests">request to the Article Alerts maintainers is here</a>. Feel free to pile on with positive comments, FWIW. --<a href="/wiki/User:Krelnik" title="User:Krelnik">Krelnik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Krelnik" title="User talk:Krelnik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:51:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T03:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:51, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:51:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T03:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:51:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T03:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-16T16:30:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:51:00.000Z"></span>Interesting, I've never noticed before, but it doesn't appear that transcluding the DYK nomination on the article's talk page adds the page to any DYK related tracking categories. If this was the case, we could at least generate half way decent manual reports using PetScan. <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-16T16:30:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-16T16:30:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-16T16:30:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-15T03:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T00:55:00.000Z-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z"></span>The discussion has been removed from that page, because the hook is no longer on the main page. See DYK talk <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&oldid=868876815#Discussion_continued">here</a> for a link. Anyone wanting to comment further on that particular hook can do so there. <a href="/wiki/User:SlimVirgin" title="User:SlimVirgin">SarahSV</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SlimVirgin" title="User talk:SlimVirgin">(talk)</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T00:55:00.000Z-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:55, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T00:55:00.000Z-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-15T00:55:00.000Z-213.205.240.161-2018-11-14T09:18:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft:Ewin_Tang" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft:Ewin_Tang-2018-11-16T17:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft:Ewin_Tang-2018-11-16T17:16:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ewin_Tang&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Ewin Tang (page does not exist)">Draft:Ewin Tang</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft:Ewin_Tang-2018-11-16T17:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XOR'easter-2018-11-16T17:16:00.000Z-Draft:Ewin_Tang"></span>I noticed <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ewin_Tang&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Ewin Tang (page does not exist)">Draft:Ewin Tang</a> because it had been posted at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Physics" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics">WikiProject Physics talk page</a>, but it may be of interest over here too. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:XOR'easter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-XOR'easter-2018-11-16T17:16:00.000Z-Draft:Ewin_Tang" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XOR'easter-2018-11-16T17:16:00.000Z-Draft:Ewin_Tang"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XOR'easter-2018-11-16T17:16:00.000Z-Draft:Ewin_Tang"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-16T17:39:00.000Z-XOR'easter-2018-11-16T17:16:00.000Z"></span>I've expressed the view on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Ewin_Tang&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Ewin Tang (page does not exist)">Draft talk:Ewin Tang</a> that the article is ready to be promoted, and would be likely to survive AfD should someone be misguided enough to send it there - the tl:dr concern being raised right now is that if promoted it would be AfD'd. I'd encourage others from this group to express their opinions on the talk page, having checked the article & its sources. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tagishsimon" title="User talk:Tagishsimon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-16T17:39:00.000Z-XOR'easter-2018-11-16T17:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-16T17:39:00.000Z-XOR'easter-2018-11-16T17:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-16T17:39:00.000Z-XOR'easter-2018-11-16T17:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Naming_conventions_-_Carrie_Kent" data-mw-thread-id="h-Naming_conventions_-_Carrie_Kent-2018-11-18T15:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Naming_conventions_-_Carrie_Kent-2018-11-18T15:48:00.000Z"></span>Naming conventions - Carrie Kent<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Naming_conventions_-_Carrie_Kent-2018-11-18T15:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-18T15:48:00.000Z-Naming_conventions_-_Carrie_Kent"></span>Pursuant to the above discussion of women not even in red, I was fixing up wikilinks to <a href="/wiki/Alice_Harrell_Strickland" title="Alice Harrell Strickland">Alice Harrell Strickland</a> (the first woman elected mayor in Georgia) and stumbled upon Carrie Kent, the first African-American woman elected mayor in Georgia. (The story gets even better from there - the town was incorporated by a committee entirely of women, who also composed the entirety of the first city government. Apparently this got national TV coverage at the time, but of course the <a href="/wiki/Walthourville,_Georgia" title="Walthourville, Georgia">Walthourville, Georgia</a> article makes NO mention of it. I will fix that ASAP). </p><p>But here's my question. In newspaper articles of the time she was elected, she was called Carrie Kent. But that's her married name and she was born Carrie Brown. So normally I would start her article as <a href="/w/index.php?title=Carrie_Brown_Kent&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Carrie Brown Kent (page does not exist)">Carrie Brown Kent</a>. However... </p><p>Articles from the time of her death all refer to her as "Carrie (Kent) Brown" or "Carrie Kent-Brown" - see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.wtoc.com/story/10584588/mother-carrie-kent-brown-laid-to-rest/">this news story</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/coastalcourier/obituary.aspx?n=carrie-brown-kent&pid=128777687&fhid=7023">this paid obit</a> and even <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Walthourville_monument.jpg">this photo of a stone monument to her in Walthoursville</a>. Is this a naming convention in certain communities that I've just never encountered? </p><p>So I've got Carrie Kent, Carrie Kent Brown and Carrie Brown Kent. Clearly I can call attention to the alternate names in the lede and infobox. But which one should be the article name, which should be the redirects? --<a href="/wiki/User:Krelnik" title="User:Krelnik">Krelnik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Krelnik" title="User talk:Krelnik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Krelnik-2018-11-18T15:48:00.000Z-Naming_conventions_-_Carrie_Kent" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 18 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-18T15:48:00.000Z-Naming_conventions_-_Carrie_Kent"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Krelnik-2018-11-18T15:48:00.000Z-Naming_conventions_-_Carrie_Kent"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Krelnik" title="User:Krelnik"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-18T15:57:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-18T15:48:00.000Z"></span>Krelnik</a>, what a great find! I usually go with what the majority of sources say at the time she was living, to avoid any "new age" naming conventions. I searched newspapers.com for Carrie Kent Brown and find 0 hits. Carrie Kent-Brown results in 0 as well. What I do find is Mother Carrie Brown :), but mostly Carrie Kent. I'd go with Carrie Kent and do redirects for the name-sames. <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-18T15:57:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-18T15:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 18 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-18T15:57:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-18T15:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-18T15:57:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-18T15:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Finding_women_who_aren't_even_in_red" data-mw-thread-id="h-Finding_women_who_aren't_even_in_red-2018-11-16T18:43:00.000Z"><span id="Finding_women_who_aren.27t_even_in_red"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Finding_women_who_aren't_even_in_red-2018-11-16T18:43:00.000Z"></span>Finding women who aren't even in red<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Finding_women_who_aren't_even_in_red-2018-11-16T18:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2018-11-16T18:43:00.000Z-Finding_women_who_aren't_even_in_red"></span>I just went through the website of my (small midwestern city) hometown's most important cemetery -- the place where prominent people were buried -- and found over twenty women's names to research. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Valereee-2018-11-16T18:43:00.000Z-Finding_women_who_aren't_even_in_red" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2018-11-16T18:43:00.000Z-Finding_women_who_aren't_even_in_red"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2018-11-16T18:43:00.000Z-Finding_women_who_aren't_even_in_red"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-16T20:09:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-16T18:43:00.000Z"></span>Valereee</a>, exactly! There are notable women all over the world. We just have to find them. I've been working for several months on a notable Belarusian scientist whose male professor warned her 160 years ago that her work would continue to be known long after she was forgotten. So true, I find tantalizing traces of her, but no complete information. Her work is *still* cited, but no one seems to know much about her. Typical story for so many women. Finding them, and then documenting their lives is critical to balancing the historic record. Thank you so much for your work! <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-16T20:09:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-16T18:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-16T20:09:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-16T18:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-16T20:09:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-16T18:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2018-11-16T22:24:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-16T20:09:00.000Z"></span>SusunW</a> one of the problems I'm seeming to see is that some of these small-city women were so very prominent in that town during their lives that no one thought they'd ever be forgotten, lol. The woman I'm researchng now was called the town's 'most prominent historian' in her 1940 obit, and her name isn't even redlinked on the city's article. Her entire presence in Wikipedia is in references for other articles, as the author of various books. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Valereee-2018-11-16T22:24:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-16T20:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2018-11-16T22:24:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-16T20:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2018-11-16T22:24:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-16T20:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-2018-11-16T22:50:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-16T22:24:00.000Z"></span>My experience is that it can be particularly easy to justify inclusion of articles on people who are authors of multiple books: as long as you can find in-depth published reviews of the books, you can use them to make the case for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTHOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTHOR">WP:AUTHOR</a>. In comparison, someone who died in 1940 and was the most prominent person in her town could well only have local newspaper records documenting her life, and although <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> doesn't actually say anything about locality, you can be sure some deletionists will seize on the local nature of the coverage as an excuse for deletion. But maybe that's because I'm working in an area (academic biography) where book reviews are common and nonlocal; finding reviews for someone who published books only on local history could be more challenging. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-David_Eppstein-2018-11-16T22:50:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-16T22:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:50, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-2018-11-16T22:50:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-16T22:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-2018-11-16T22:50:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-16T22:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-16T23:05:00.000Z-David_Eppstein-2018-11-16T22:50:00.000Z"></span>So true, <a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> Lots of women, who were not in academia were widely read. <a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> and I have worked on several together, (Rosie way more than me). Often in newspapers there is coverage of their work picked up in the Associated Press and outside of their local area in various newspapers. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a>, If you don't have access to newspapers.com or newspaperarchives.com, give me a shout and I'll see what I can find. You might also search in Hathitrust. <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-16T23:05:00.000Z-David_Eppstein-2018-11-16T22:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-16T23:05:00.000Z-David_Eppstein-2018-11-16T22:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-16T23:05:00.000Z-David_Eppstein-2018-11-16T22:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2018-11-16T23:15:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-16T23:05:00.000Z"></span>SusunW</a> I sprang for a newspapers.com membership, lol. Too many of the citations I was looking for are only available there. Hadn't heard of hathitrust, I'll have to check that out. Any reason to pay for newspaperarchives.com in addition to newspapers.com? <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Valereee-2018-11-16T23:15:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-16T23:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2018-11-16T23:15:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-16T23:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2018-11-16T23:15:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-16T23:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-16T23:31:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-16T23:15:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a>:</span> That's the pickle. There are so many notable women who aren't part of a list somewhere. When I find one, I feel like I'm a miner, and I've uncovered a gem. Finding additional sources after the first one can be problematic. Like many of you, I use all sorts of search methods to find them. I recognize that I'm privileged by being a WVS at Northeastern Univ, which gives me access to additional resources. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosiestep" title="User talk:Rosiestep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Rosiestep-2018-11-16T23:31:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-16T23:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-16T23:31:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-16T23:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-16T23:31:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-16T23:15:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-16T23:38:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-16T23:15:00.000Z"></span>Valereee</a>, you can get access to newspapers.com and other archives via the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Library" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Library">Wikipedia Library</a>. You don't have to pay for them. <a href="/wiki/User:SlimVirgin" title="User:SlimVirgin">SarahSV</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SlimVirgin" title="User talk:SlimVirgin">(talk)</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-16T23:38:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-16T23:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:38, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-16T23:38:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-16T23:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SlimVirgin-2018-11-16T23:38:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-16T23:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-16T23:43:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-16T23:38:00.000Z"></span>Absolutely a reason to have both. They carry different newspapers. I just found newspapers for Kazakhstan in newspaperarchive.com; newspapers.com only has US, Australia, Britain and Canada. :) <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> look at our primer, there are lots of ideas for sourcing there. <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-16T23:43:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-16T23:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-16T23:43:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-16T23:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-16T23:43:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-16T23:38:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-18T13:26:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-16T23:38:00.000Z"></span>I second that recommendation of <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://babel.hathitrust.org">Hathitrust</a> - it has lots of weird old stuff digitized. I found a family genealogical history written by the father of someone I was writing about. Not a great source by itself, but fine for filling some ancillary details like names of relatives and so on, and it led me to an interesting detail about the subject's family that I <em>never</em> would have found otherwise. Also good for directly linking to out-of-copyright works by the subject, on the occasion that they are not in Google Books or Internet Archive. --<a href="/wiki/User:Krelnik" title="User:Krelnik">Krelnik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Krelnik" title="User talk:Krelnik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Krelnik-2018-11-18T13:26:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-16T23:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 18 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-18T13:26:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-16T23:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Krelnik-2018-11-18T13:26:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2018-11-16T23:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-19T04:20:00.000Z-Finding_women_who_aren't_even_in_red"></span>I had a similar encounter earlier this evening. I was at <a href="/wiki/Lisner_Auditorium" title="Lisner Auditorium">Lisner Auditorium</a> for a performance by <a href="/wiki/Washington_Concert_Opera" title="Washington Concert Opera">Washington Concert Opera</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/Sapho_(Gounod)" title="Sapho (Gounod)">Sapho</a></i> by <a href="/wiki/Charles_Gounod" title="Charles Gounod">Charles Gounod</a>, for those who might be keeping <s>snore</s> score), and had a chance to actually look at the artwork in the basement for once. (All of the pieces on display used to be numbered, but happily they have since been labeled instead.) Found a few women artists I'd never heard of before, including <a href="/w/index.php?title=Louise_Lyons_Heustis&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Louise Lyons Heustis (page does not exist)">Louise Lyons Heustis</a>. She ticks my boxes of interest as both a Southerner (from Mobile, Alabama originally) and a woman artist. There <i>is</i> an article in her biography, which I will develop at some point, but it's proving damn difficult to find much material. A few things on Google Books, but almost nothing on the modern web - it's amazing how thoroughly she has fallen out of sight; she doesn't appear to have been especially <i>prominent</i> during her career, but was nevertheless a well-regarded society portraitist. --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT"><a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao"><i>Che dicono a Signa?</i></a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Lo dicono a Signa.</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-19T04:20:00.000Z-Finding_women_who_aren't_even_in_red" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 19 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-19T04:20:00.000Z-Finding_women_who_aren't_even_in_red"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-19T04:20:00.000Z-Finding_women_who_aren't_even_in_red"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Psychology's_Feminist_Voices" data-mw-thread-id="h-Psychology's_Feminist_Voices-2018-11-19T04:12:00.000Z"><span id="Psychology.27s_Feminist_Voices"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Psychology's_Feminist_Voices-2018-11-19T04:12:00.000Z"></span>Psychology's Feminist Voices<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Psychology's_Feminist_Voices-2018-11-19T04:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-19T04:12:00.000Z-Psychology's_Feminist_Voices"></span>Yet another site I've found in my travels around the internet: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.feministvoices.com/">Psychology's Feminist Voices</a>. It contains lists of biographies, both <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.feministvoices.com/past-profiles/">historical</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.feministvoices.com/presence-profiles/">contemporary</a>. Some have articles...quite a few do not. Another list for me to try and generate in a day or two, or three...or whenever I have a chance. :-) --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT"><a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao"><i>Che dicono a Signa?</i></a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Lo dicono a Signa.</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-19T04:12:00.000Z-Psychology's_Feminist_Voices" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 19 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-19T04:12:00.000Z-Psychology's_Feminist_Voices"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-19T04:12:00.000Z-Psychology's_Feminist_Voices"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-19T13:25:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-19T04:12:00.000Z"></span>FWIW I had a very positive experience working with one of the authors there. A hunk of the material at <a href="/wiki/Amy_Tanner" title="Amy Tanner">Amy Tanner</a> had been derived from her bio at that website, and when I was doing some additions to the our article I discovered that the PFV site had gotten her birth and death date wrong, confusing her with a different Amy Tanner. Once I documented the correct ones, using sources that weren't available when she wrote her bio, the author at the website fixed up her version to match. --<a href="/wiki/User:Krelnik" title="User:Krelnik">Krelnik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Krelnik" title="User talk:Krelnik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Krelnik-2018-11-19T13:25:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-19T04:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:25, 19 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-19T13:25:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-19T04:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Krelnik-2018-11-19T13:25:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-19T04:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Central_Asia_Encyclopedias" data-mw-thread-id="h-Central_Asia_Encyclopedias-2018-11-12T22:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Central_Asia_Encyclopedias-2018-11-12T22:25:00.000Z"></span>Central Asia Encyclopedias<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Central_Asia_Encyclopedias-2018-11-12T22:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-12T22:25:00.000Z-Central_Asia_Encyclopedias"></span>For Asia month, I have been focusing on Central Asia, as our coverage there is dismal. In that regard, I have found two Encyclopedias (I can never remember where these are kept), that have full access: </p> <ul><li>{{cite book |ref=harv |last1=Зенькович |first1=Николай А. |title=Национальная политика: творцы и исполнители |date=2008 |publisher=Олма Медиа Груп |location=Moscow, Russia |isbn=978-5-373-01754-1 |page=345 |url=http://shirvan.cls.az/front/files/libraries/2474/books/421424593.pdf |language=Russian |trans-title=National Policy: Creators and Performers}}</li></ul> <p>It would be lovely if someone could figure out how to archive this link, but I could not and don't have the technical skill to figure out why not. The other one, I was able to archive. </p> <ul><li>{{cite book |ref=harv|last1=Бектурганова |first1=Күлбүбү |title=Кыргызстандын асыл кыздары |date=2006 |publisher=Мамлекеттик тил жана энциклопедия борбору |location=Bishkek, Kyrgystan |isbn=9967-14-040-2 |url=http://www.literatura.kg/uploads/bekturganova_kyrgyzstandyn_asyl_kyzdary.pdf |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20180725183957/http://www.literatura.kg/uploads/bekturganova_kyrgyzstandyn_asyl_kyzdary.pdf |archivedate=25 July 2018 |language=Kyrgyz |trans-title=Precious girls of Kyrgyzstan}}</li></ul> <p>If someone can help by putting these links with our other resources that have full access, that would be marvelous. It would of course, also be helpful if someone could index them, in their "spare time". <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-12T22:25:00.000Z-Central_Asia_Encyclopedias" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 12 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-12T22:25:00.000Z-Central_Asia_Encyclopedias"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-12T22:25:00.000Z-Central_Asia_Encyclopedias"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-13T16:08:00.000Z-Central_Asia_Encyclopedias"></span>And another from Tajikistan: <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-13T16:08:00.000Z-Central_Asia_Encyclopedias" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 13 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-13T16:08:00.000Z-Central_Asia_Encyclopedias"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-13T16:08:00.000Z-Central_Asia_Encyclopedias"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T17:20:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-13T16:08:00.000Z"></span>{{cite book |last1=Bashiri |first1=Iraj |title=Prominent Tajik Figures of the Twentieth Century |date=2002 |publisher=International Borbad Foundation, Academy of Sciences of Tajikistan |location=Dushanbe, Tajikistan |oclc=501842788 |url=https://www.academia.edu/7858297/Prominent_Tajik_Figures_of_the_Twentieth_Century |language=English}}</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a>:</span> That last one I'm pretty sure I wrung dry for the contest last year. I checked it over, and I <i>think</i> I wrote articles about all the women there. I agree with your first point, too: I was stunned at the lack of coverage of Central Asian topics I discovered last year. --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT"><a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao"><i>Che dicono a Signa?</i></a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Lo dicono a Signa.</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T17:20:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-13T16:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 13 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T17:20:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-13T16:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T17:20:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-13T16:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T17:20:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T17:20:00.000Z"></span>There are two more which exist as well: the <i><a href="/wiki/Uzbek_Soviet_Encyclopedia" title="Uzbek Soviet Encyclopedia">Uzbek Soviet Encyclopedia</a></i> and the <i><a href="/wiki/National_Encyclopedia_of_Uzbekistan" title="National Encyclopedia of Uzbekistan">National Encyclopedia of Uzbekistan</a></i>. I <i>believe</i> there used to be a digital version of the second one, but I can't find it at the moment. I do know that it was used as the source of a lot of articles over on the Uzbek Wikipedia. The big problem I had with both of them was transliteration; I'm not sure how to transliterate Uzbek-language names into English, and I didn't want to plunge blindly in. If anyone knows how, or could develop a list in transliterated English, I think it would be very useful. --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT"><a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao"><i>Che dicono a Signa?</i></a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Lo dicono a Signa.</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T17:20:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T17:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 13 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T17:20:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T17:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T17:20:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T17:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-13T17:53:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T17:20:00.000Z"></span>Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a> well, then I shan't tell you of the woman I found who was one of the "key features of the 60, 70, and 80s" and whose mom was the first woman to run the Tajik Department of Women ;) You'll just have to wait until I publish it. But, yes, we need redlists prepared by someone who can properly transliterate the names. <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-13T17:53:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T17:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 13 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-13T17:53:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T17:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-13T17:53:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T17:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T21:59:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-13T17:53:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a>:</span> Oh, I'm sure I may have missed one, or two...or three...or four... :-)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Another site, too, which may be of interest to those who are working on film-related subjects: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.kino-teatr.ru">https://www.kino-teatr.ru</a>. It <i>is</i> in Russian, but it's a great database of Soviet-era actors, from all over the Soviet Union. I've found a number of Central Asians on there. --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT"><a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao"><i>Che dicono a Signa?</i></a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Lo dicono a Signa.</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T21:59:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-13T17:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 13 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T21:59:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-13T17:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-13T21:59:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-13T17:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-18T17:37:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-13T16:08:00.000Z"></span>One more. Pretty much if the surname ends in "a", it's a woman. In the first part of the book, names are alphabetical with brief bios. In the back they are listed by country. And, it's in English!:</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>{{cite book |ref=harv |editor1-last=Crowley |editor1-first=Edward L. |editor2-last=Lebed |editor2-first=Andrew I. |editor3-last=Schulz |editor3-first=Heinrich E. |title=Prominent Personalities in the USSR |date=1968 |publisher=[[Scarecrow Press]] |location=Metuchen, New Jersey |oclc=82054760 |url=https://archive.org/details/prominentpersona00inst/page/764}} <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-18T17:37:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-13T16:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 18 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-18T17:37:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-13T16:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-18T17:37:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-13T16:08:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-20T00:42:00.000Z-Central_Asia_Encyclopedias"></span>Two more: </p> <ul><li>{{cite book |title=Women in the Soviet Union: statistical returns |date=1970 |publisher=Progress Publishers |location=Moscow, USSR |oclc=151620 |url=http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00087327/00001/1 |language=English}}</li></ul> <ul><li>{{cite book |editor1-last=İsmayil |editor1-first=Vəliyev |title=Azərbaycan qadını ensiklopediyası |date=2002 |publisher=Azərbaycan Milli Ensiklopediyası Nəşriyyat-Poliqrafiya Birliyi |location=Baku, Azerbaijan |url=http://www.ebooks.az/view/w51MRr2m.pdf |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20181119231553/http://www.ebooks.az/view/w51MRr2m.pdf |archivedate=20 November 2018 |language=Azerbaijani |trans-title=Encyclopedia of Azerbaijani Women}} <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-20T00:42:00.000Z-Central_Asia_Encyclopedias" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:42, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-20T00:42:00.000Z-Central_Asia_Encyclopedias"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-20T00:42:00.000Z-Central_Asia_Encyclopedias"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sakina_Aliyeva" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sakina_Aliyeva-2018-11-20T00:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sakina_Aliyeva-2018-11-20T00:56:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Sakina_Aliyeva" title="Sakina Aliyeva">Sakina Aliyeva</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sakina_Aliyeva-2018-11-20T00:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-20T00:56:00.000Z-Sakina_Aliyeva"></span>I love this quote..."Ömrünün çoxunu dövlət yolunda sərf etmiş, dəfələrlə respublika Parlamentinin deputatı, sədr müavini olmuş, yüksək dərəcəli orden və medallarla, Fəxri Fərmanlarla təltif olunmuş, uzun illər Naxçıvanın siyasi və ictimai həyatında həlledici bir rol oynamış bir şəxs haqqında bu qədərmi məlumatsızlıq olmalıdır? Bu gün 'google'a gir, ən istedadsız müğənninin adını yaz, qarşına yüzlərlə qovluq çıxacaqdır. Amma ömrünü dövlətə həsr etmiş adam haqqında heç nə! Budurmu bizim qədirşünaslığımız?" (Should there be such a lack of knowledge about a person who has spent most of her life in service to the state, who was a deputy of the Republican Parliament, Deputy Chairman of the Parliament, honored with awards and medals, Honorary Decrees, who has played a crucial role in Nakchivan's political and public life for many years? Go to "google" today, write the name of the most talented singer, and you'll get hundreds of articles. But nothing about the woman who devoted her life to the state! Is this our titillation?) <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-20T00:56:00.000Z-Sakina_Aliyeva" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:56, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-20T00:56:00.000Z-Sakina_Aliyeva"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-20T00:56:00.000Z-Sakina_Aliyeva"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Milliners" data-mw-thread-id="h-Milliners-2018-11-02T08:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Milliners-2018-11-02T08:53:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Hatmaking" title="Hatmaking">Milliners</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Milliners-2018-11-02T08:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Coolabahapple-2018-11-02T08:53:00.000Z-Milliners"></span>hi all, i have recently created articles on a couple of ozzie milliners, <a href="/wiki/Felicity_Brown_(milliner)" title="Felicity Brown (milliner)">Felicity Brown</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Ann_Shoebridge" title="Ann Shoebridge">Ann Shoebridge</a>, as there are only 81 pages at the Category:Milliners (that includes both women and men!), theres probably a lot more women milliners that are missing out on a wikiarticle<abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> <a href="/wiki/User:Coolabahapple" title="User:Coolabahapple">Coolabahapple</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coolabahapple" title="User talk:Coolabahapple">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Coolabahapple-2018-11-02T08:53:00.000Z-Milliners" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:53, 2 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Coolabahapple-2018-11-02T08:53:00.000Z-Milliners"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Coolabahapple-2018-11-02T08:53:00.000Z-Milliners"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T10:30:00.000Z-Coolabahapple-2018-11-02T08:53:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for bringing this up, <a href="/wiki/User:Coolabahapple" title="User:Coolabahapple">Coolabahapple</a>. I noticed that the occupation of "millner" redirects to <a href="/wiki/Hatmaking" title="Hatmaking">hatmaking</a> (Q663375). However, "hatter" (Q1639239) exists on Wikidata and several language Wikipedias have articles about it, but not English. I guess, someone could create a Wikidata-generated redlist for "millner" but would need to include Q663375 and Q1639239. <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Victuallers" title="User:Victuallers">Victuallers</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Megalibrarygirl" title="User:Megalibrarygirl">Megalibrarygirl</a>:</span> do you know who has been creating our recent Wikidata lists, and can we ask them to work on this one? --<a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosiestep" title="User talk:Rosiestep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T10:30:00.000Z-Coolabahapple-2018-11-02T08:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:30, 2 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T10:30:00.000Z-Coolabahapple-2018-11-02T08:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T10:30:00.000Z-Coolabahapple-2018-11-02T08:53:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T10:39:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T10:30:00.000Z"></span>Remembering that <a href="/wiki/User:Gamaliel" title="User:Gamaliel">Gamaliel</a> has helped me with some <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Redlist_index" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Redlist index">redlists</a> so adding here. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosiestep" title="User talk:Rosiestep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T10:39:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T10:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:39, 2 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T10:39:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T10:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T10:39:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T10:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-02T11:11:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T10:39:00.000Z"></span>Rosiestep</a>: I already tried out "hatter" and "milliner" on Wikidata but there were no results. The nearest we have is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Missing_articles_by_occupation/Fashion_designers" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Fashion designers">Fashion designers</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ipigott-2018-11-02T11:11:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T10:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 2 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-02T11:11:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T10:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-2018-11-02T11:11:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T10:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T11:15:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-02T11:11:00.000Z"></span>Ipigott</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1639239">"hatter" (Q1639239)</a> does exist. What we don't currently have is an English-language Wikipedia article about it, while other language Wikipedias do. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosiestep" title="User talk:Rosiestep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T11:15:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-02T11:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T11:15:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-02T11:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T11:15:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-02T11:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-02T11:27:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T11:15:00.000Z"></span>Rosiestep</a>: I was referring to the terms on Wikidata where both "hatter" and "milliner" exist. I therefore ran each Q item but there were no results from either of them. You can see here: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Missing_articles_by_occupation/Milliners" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Milliners">Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Milliners</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ipigott-2018-11-02T11:27:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T11:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 2 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-02T11:27:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T11:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-2018-11-02T11:27:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T11:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T11:35:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-02T11:27:00.000Z"></span>Ipigott</a>, Ok, I see what you mean: there are no items to populate the Wikidata redlist as all the articles about women millners/hatmakers from other language Wikipedias already have an English-language article. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosiestep" title="User talk:Rosiestep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T11:35:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-02T11:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:35, 2 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T11:35:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-02T11:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-02T11:35:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-02T11:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oronsay-2018-11-04T20:35:00.000Z-Coolabahapple-2018-11-02T08:53:00.000Z"></span>Just looked on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Missing_articles_by_dictionary/ADB" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/ADB">Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/ADB</a> and found two Australian women described as milliners. On Wikidata, the occupation was listed as Q21550776. Surely this is the Q no. a list could be generated from? <a href="/wiki/User:Oronsay" title="User:Oronsay">Oronsay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oronsay" title="User talk:Oronsay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Oronsay-2018-11-04T20:35:00.000Z-Coolabahapple-2018-11-02T08:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 4 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oronsay-2018-11-04T20:35:00.000Z-Coolabahapple-2018-11-02T08:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oronsay-2018-11-04T20:35:00.000Z-Coolabahapple-2018-11-02T08:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Oronsay" title="User:Oronsay"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-05T07:31:00.000Z-Oronsay-2018-11-04T20:35:00.000Z"></span>Oronsay</a>: If you look at the revision history of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Missing_articles_by_occupation/Milliners" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Milliners">Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Milliners</a>, you'll see I tried that too but no items from other language versions of Wikidata were found. I then tried "hatter" but the result was no better. Other language versions seem to be happier using items related to fashion designers under Q3501317.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ipigott-2018-11-05T07:31:00.000Z-Oronsay-2018-11-04T20:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 5 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-05T07:31:00.000Z-Oronsay-2018-11-04T20:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-2018-11-05T07:31:00.000Z-Oronsay-2018-11-04T20:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T00:04:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-05T07:31:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Coolabahapple" title="User:Coolabahapple">Coolabahapple</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Oronsay" title="User:Oronsay">Oronsay</a>:</span> I found an old milliner's magazine, <i>The Illustrated Milliner</i>, and added a lot of hat images to Commons. Will add them to our #1day1woman outcomes section, too. Lots of men milliner's in the magazine; but unfortunately, only 1 woman pictured, a manager of a millinery company. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosiestep" title="User talk:Rosiestep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T00:04:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-05T07:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:04, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T00:04:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-05T07:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T00:04:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-05T07:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Coolabahapple-2018-11-20T04:45:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T00:04:00.000Z"></span>Wow, thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a>, they are wonderful! ive added some of the pictures to <a href="/wiki/1910s_in_Western_fashion#Women's_fashion" title="1910s in Western fashion">1910s in Western fashion#Women's fashion</a>, it was very difficult to choose which ones, but i though if i added too many some grumpy editor would undo my edits:)) <a href="/wiki/User:Coolabahapple" title="User:Coolabahapple">Coolabahapple</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coolabahapple" title="User talk:Coolabahapple">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Coolabahapple-2018-11-20T04:45:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T00:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:45, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Coolabahapple-2018-11-20T04:45:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T00:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Coolabahapple-2018-11-20T04:45:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T00:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T00:15:00.000Z-Milliners"></span>I recently got some help from <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Request_a_query" class="extiw" title="d:Wikidata:Request a query">d:Wikidata:Request a query</a> for the WIR librarians list, and applied the same workaround here, and it seems to have fixed whatever wasn't working with the original version of the query. <a href="/wiki/User:Gamaliel" title="User:Gamaliel"><span style="color:DarkGreen;">Gamaliel</span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gamaliel" title="User talk:Gamaliel"><span style="color:DarkGreen;">talk</span></a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T00:15:00.000Z-Milliners" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T00:15:00.000Z-Milliners"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T00:15:00.000Z-Milliners"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-20T00:41:00.000Z-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T00:15:00.000Z"></span>So you have. Good work, Gamaliel. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tagishsimon" title="User talk:Tagishsimon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-20T00:41:00.000Z-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T00:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-20T00:41:00.000Z-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T00:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-20T00:41:00.000Z-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T00:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Source_help" data-mw-thread-id="h-Source_help-2018-11-20T14:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Source_help-2018-11-20T14:56:00.000Z"></span>Source help<span 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.id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFMills_College1948" class="citation book cs1">Mills College (1948). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=LZBrAAAAIAAJ"><i>In memoriam, Aurelia Henry Reinhardt, 1877–1948</i></a>. Eucalyptus Press, Mills College.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=In+memoriam%2C+Aurelia+Henry+Reinhardt%2C+1877%E2%80%931948&rft.pub=Eucalyptus+Press%2C+Mills+College&rft.date=1948&rft.au=Mills+College&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3DLZBrAAAAIAAJ&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia+talk%3AWikiProject+Women+in+Red%2FArchive+52" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFHedley1961" class="citation book cs1">Hedley, George Percy (1961). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=0c45AQAAMAAJ"><i>Aurelia Henry Reinhardt: Portrait of a Whole Woman</i></a>. Mills College.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=Aurelia+Henry+Reinhardt%3A+Portrait+of+a+Whole+Woman&rft.pub=Mills+College&rft.date=1961&rft.aulast=Hedley&rft.aufirst=George+Percy&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D0c45AQAAMAAJ&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia+talk%3AWikiProject+Women+in+Red%2FArchive+52" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFBaylis1989" class="citation book cs1">Baylis, Ollie P. (1989). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=yyhPAQAAMAAJ"><i>Aurelia Henry Reinhardt: Analysis of a Charismatic Leader</i></a>. University of California, Berkeley.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=Aurelia+Henry+Reinhardt%3A+Analysis+of+a+Charismatic+Leader&rft.pub=University+of+California%2C+Berkeley&rft.date=1989&rft.aulast=Baylis&rft.aufirst=Ollie+P.&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3DyyhPAQAAMAAJ&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia+talk%3AWikiProject+Women+in+Red%2FArchive+52" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul> <p>Just got this article past GA, headed to DYK, but I have a sneaking suspicion this could wind up at FA, if I could only incorporate the material from these three dedicated biographies. Unfortunately, none of them are available anywhere online, and it looks like they can cost upward of $50 in at least one instance. Anybody have access to a university library wanna see what they can see? <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-20T14:56:00.000Z-Source_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-20T14:56:00.000Z-Source_help"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-20T14:56:00.000Z-Source_help"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="4_recurring_hashtag_trends_that_will_make_your_Tweets_more_impactful" data-mw-thread-id="h-4_recurring_hashtag_trends_that_will_make_your_Tweets_more_impactful-2018-11-20T16:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-4_recurring_hashtag_trends_that_will_make_your_Tweets_more_impactful-2018-11-20T16:46:00.000Z"></span>4 recurring hashtag trends that will make your Tweets more impactful<span data-mw-comment-end="h-4_recurring_hashtag_trends_that_will_make_your_Tweets_more_impactful-2018-11-20T16:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:46:00.000Z-4_recurring_hashtag_trends_that_will_make_your_Tweets_more_impactful"></span>For those of you involved in Women in Red's social media outreach, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://business.twitter.com/en/blog/4-recurring-hashtag-trends-that-will-make-Tweets-impactful.html?ref=gl-en-ptw-b-mf-blog&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=hashtagcopy&utm_campaign=blog">this article</a> might interest you. Simple things like adding #MotivationMonday, #TravelTuesday, #WCW, and #TBT may provide broader reach with our tweets. Let's try it? --<a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosiestep" title="User talk:Rosiestep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:46:00.000Z-4_recurring_hashtag_trends_that_will_make_your_Tweets_more_impactful" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:46, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:46:00.000Z-4_recurring_hashtag_trends_that_will_make_your_Tweets_more_impactful"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:46:00.000Z-4_recurring_hashtag_trends_that_will_make_your_Tweets_more_impactful"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Virginia_Women's_Monument_Wall_of_Honor" data-mw-thread-id="h-Virginia_Women's_Monument_Wall_of_Honor-2018-11-20T17:16:00.000Z"><span id="Virginia_Women.27s_Monument_Wall_of_Honor"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Virginia_Women's_Monument_Wall_of_Honor-2018-11-20T17:16:00.000Z"></span>Virginia Women's Monument Wall of Honor<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Virginia_Women's_Monument_Wall_of_Honor-2018-11-20T17:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T17:16:00.000Z-Virginia_Women's_Monument_Wall_of_Honor"></span>A little poking around related to a thread earlier on this page revealed this list: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://womensmonumentcom.virginia.gov/wallofhonornames.html">Names from the Wall of Honor on the Virginia Women’s Monument</a>. (We also have <a href="/wiki/Draft:Virginia_Women%27s_Monument" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Virginia Women's Monument">Draft:Virginia Women's Monument</a>, which I will take a look at at some point.) Many women here have articles, but many more do not. Criteria for inclusion state: "The nominee must have demonstrated notable achievement, made a significant contribution, or set an important example, within her chosen field of endeavor, her region or at the state or national level. Significance will be assessed within the context of what was customary for a woman to have achieved or contributed in the context of the particular time, place and circumstances in which she lived and worked." This suggests that subjects will absolutely meet the notability guideline. --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT"><a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao"><i>Che dicono a Signa?</i></a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Lo dicono a Signa.</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T17:16:00.000Z-Virginia_Women's_Monument_Wall_of_Honor" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T17:16:00.000Z-Virginia_Women's_Monument_Wall_of_Honor"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T17:16:00.000Z-Virginia_Women's_Monument_Wall_of_Honor"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T17:16:00.000Z"></span>These may be the same people I spoke with at a recent local event about this topic. If I can find their card I can reach out if there's any problems or assistance needed. <a href="/wiki/User:Gamaliel" title="User:Gamaliel"><span style="color:DarkGreen;">Gamaliel</span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gamaliel" title="User talk:Gamaliel"><span style="color:DarkGreen;">talk</span></a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T17:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T17:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T17:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T19:09:00.000Z-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Gamaliel" title="User:Gamaliel">Gamaliel</a>:</span> Thanks, I'll let you know...I probably won't be ready to do anything on the subject until sometime next year. (Probably won't be ready to do a <i>lot</i> of things until sometime next year...) --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT"><a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao"><i>Che dicono a Signa?</i></a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Lo dicono a Signa.</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T19:09:00.000Z-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T19:09:00.000Z-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T19:09:00.000Z-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Women_in_music_timeline" data-mw-thread-id="h-Women_in_music_timeline-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Women_in_music_timeline-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z"></span>Women in music timeline<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Women_in_music_timeline-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z-Women_in_music_timeline"></span>This might be of interest: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.oxfordmusiconline.com/page/Women-in-Music-timeline">http://www.oxfordmusiconline.com/page/Women-in-Music-timeline</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Gamaliel" title="User:Gamaliel"><span style="color:DarkGreen;">Gamaliel</span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gamaliel" title="User talk:Gamaliel"><span style="color:DarkGreen;">talk</span></a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z-Women_in_music_timeline" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z-Women_in_music_timeline"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z-Women_in_music_timeline"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-20T20:02:00.000Z-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z"></span>Good find.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ipigott-2018-11-20T20:02:00.000Z-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-20T20:02:00.000Z-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-2018-11-20T20:02:00.000Z-Gamaliel-2018-11-20T18:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Months_on_African_cinema_:_Wikidata_Women_occupations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Months_on_African_cinema_:_Wikidata_Women_occupations-2018-11-20T16:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Months_on_African_cinema_:_Wikidata_Women_occupations-2018-11-20T16:50:00.000Z"></span>Months on African cinema : Wikidata Women occupations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Months_on_African_cinema_:_Wikidata_Women_occupations-2018-11-20T16:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:50:00.000Z-Months_on_African_cinema_:_Wikidata_Women_occupations"></span>Hello. I just realized it might interest you to check out <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Loves_Women/Current_activity#Launch_of_our_Women_occupation_label_drive">the Wiki Loves Women occupation drive</a>. This is an attempt to improve the occupation labels in WikiData with non gender-biased description and description in more languages (than just English and French...). I am not sure any of you active people can help, because we do not have so many speakers around able to translate "actor" in say... Amharic. But still thought worth mentioning here in case you can point African language local speakers to it in the future. Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:Anthere" title="User:Anthere">Anthere</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anthere" title="User talk:Anthere">talk</a>) </p> <ul><li>Actually, this is really important. Thanks for mentioning, <a href="/wiki/User:Anthere" title="User:Anthere">Anthere</a>. I wonder if there's something meaningful we could do about it using AI? --<a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosiestep" title="User talk:Rosiestep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:50:00.000Z-Months_on_African_cinema_:_Wikidata_Women_occupations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:50:00.000Z-Months_on_African_cinema_:_Wikidata_Women_occupations"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:50:00.000Z-Months_on_African_cinema_:_Wikidata_Women_occupations"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anthere-2018-11-21T00:14:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:50:00.000Z"></span>I am not sure. I would tend to think that this is best left by human. The initial idea was given to me by Harmonia and she insisted that this would typically be something helping the Wikidata community because they considered that had to be done by humans. Practically speaking, it turns out to be quite complicated (or confusing ?) because in some (or many) cases, the term does not exist in the local language and is replaced by the English one. <a href="/wiki/User:Anthere" title="User:Anthere">Anthere</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anthere" title="User talk:Anthere">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Anthere-2018-11-21T00:14:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 21 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anthere-2018-11-21T00:14:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anthere-2018-11-21T00:14:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia_is_a_mirror_of_the_world’s_gender_biases" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia_is_a_mirror_of_the_world’s_gender_biases-2018-11-20T16:30:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia_is_a_mirror_of_the_world.E2.80.99s_gender_biases"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia_is_a_mirror_of_the_world’s_gender_biases-2018-11-20T16:30:00.000Z"></span>Wikipedia is a mirror of the world’s gender biases<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia_is_a_mirror_of_the_world’s_gender_biases-2018-11-20T16:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:30:00.000Z-Wikipedia_is_a_mirror_of_the_world’s_gender_biases"></span>Thank you, <a href="/wiki/User:Katherine_(WMF)" title="User:Katherine (WMF)">Katherine (WMF)</a> for your insightful article, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/2018/10/18/wikipedia-mirror-world-gender-biases/">"Wikipedia is a mirror of the world’s gender biases", 18 October 2018, <i>Wikimedia Blog</i></a>. We appreciate that you've spotlighted the complex issues surrounding gender bias. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosiestep" title="User talk:Rosiestep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:30:00.000Z-Wikipedia_is_a_mirror_of_the_world’s_gender_biases" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:30:00.000Z-Wikipedia_is_a_mirror_of_the_world’s_gender_biases"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:30:00.000Z-Wikipedia_is_a_mirror_of_the_world’s_gender_biases"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-11-20T16:45:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:30:00.000Z"></span>People probably wonder why I'm writing all these articles about women, which seems out of character for me, but it really is simply identifying pieces like the one above as valid criticism and trying to do something about it. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ritchie333-2018-11-20T16:45:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-11-20T16:45:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-11-20T16:45:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-11-20T16:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-20T22:22:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-11-20T16:45:00.000Z"></span>I think that is the perfect reason, <a href="/wiki/User:Rtichie333" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rtichie333">Rtichie333</a>. If you see a problem, you can be part of the solution. Anyone can write about women or other groups that have been marginalized, if they can find sources. Not always easy to do, but every article helps make our world more reflective of the actual diversity that exists. I for one am grateful for all the allies in this work. <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-20T22:22:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-11-20T16:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:22, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-20T22:22:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-11-20T16:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-20T22:22:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-11-20T16:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Rtichie333" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rtichie333"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T21:20:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-20T22:22:00.000Z"></span>Rtichie333</a>, for what it's worth, I suspect there are people who know me in real life who might find my work at WiR at odds with other aspects of my personality. They shouldn't - I've been fascinated by women artists for as long as I can remember. Just a natural outgrowth in my curiosity about the world and its more obscure corners, I suppose. :-) --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT"><a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao"><i>Che dicono a Signa?</i></a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Lo dicono a Signa.</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T21:20:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-20T22:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T21:20:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-20T22:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T21:20:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-20T22:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_city_governments_entirely_run_by_women" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_city_governments_entirely_run_by_women-2018-11-19T23:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_city_governments_entirely_run_by_women-2018-11-19T23:19:00.000Z"></span>List of city governments entirely run by women<span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_city_governments_entirely_run_by_women-2018-11-19T23:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-19T23:19:00.000Z-List_of_city_governments_entirely_run_by_women"></span>In working on the aforementioned <a href="/w/index.php?title=Carrie_Kent&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Carrie Kent (page does not exist)">Carrie Kent</a> and <a href="/wiki/Walthourville,_Georgia" title="Walthourville, Georgia">Walthourville, Georgia</a> all-women government story from 1974 (see above), I was trying to verify the claim made in one article that they were the first in the U.S. It quickly turned out to be bunk - first in Georgia sure, but not in the U.S. But researching this led to a rabbit hole as these things do. The interesting thing is press coverage of the phenomenon of all-woman city governments is all over the place. Lots of different towns claiming to be the first, or articles on recent ones citing "the last time this happened was..." and they always cite a different town. Got me thinking that we're in a good position to help fix this going forward. </p><p>Among the towns that have done this are five different towns in Kansas (possibly more) between 1887 and 1896; <a href="/wiki/Kanab,_Utah" title="Kanab, Utah">Kanab, Utah</a> in 1911; <a href="/wiki/Umatilla,_Oregon" title="Umatilla, Oregon">Umatilla, Oregon</a> in 1916 which has a whole article about it: <a href="/wiki/Petticoat_Revolution" title="Petticoat Revolution">Petticoat Revolution</a>; <a href="/wiki/Jackson,_Wyoming" title="Jackson, Wyoming">Jackson, Wyoming</a> and <a href="/wiki/Yoncalla,_Oregon" title="Yoncalla, Oregon">Yoncalla, Oregon</a> in 1920; <a href="/wiki/Winslow,_Arkansas" title="Winslow, Arkansas">Winslow, Arkansas</a> in 1925; <a href="/wiki/Duvall,_Washington" title="Duvall, Washington">Duvall, Washington</a> in 1932 and <a href="/wiki/Washington,_Virginia" title="Washington, Virginia">Washington, Virginia</a> in 1950. (Of course the pace picks up rapidly in the late 20th century). I'm sure there are others that I'll find once I start digging into sources deeper, I've just been using easily googled web sources for now. </p><p>So naturally I'm going to try to put material on these events into the pages for each town, but I'm wondering if there's a good place to get references to this phenomenon all in one place so a writer researching this in the future would be able find it. Among the places that seem likely: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/List_of_first_women_mayors" title="List of first women mayors">List of first women mayors</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/List_of_first_female_mayors_in_the_United_States" class="mw-redirect" title="List of first female mayors in the United States">List of first female mayors in the United States</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/List_of_the_first_women_holders_of_political_offices" title="List of the first women holders of political offices">List of the first women holders of political offices</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Women_in_government#Historic_firsts_for_women_in_government" title="Women in government">Women in government#Historic firsts for women in government</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/List_of_women%27s_firsts#Politics" title="List of women's firsts">List of women's firsts#Politics</a> - currently empty, refers to the above two</li></ul> <p>One problem with the mayor articles is in some cases the election where the all-women council came in wasn't necessarily the first woman mayor for that town. I was thinking maybe a new article or list about the phenomenon of all-women governments, but I'm always wary to start things like that for fear of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">original research</a> claims. Any thoughts? --<a href="/wiki/User:Krelnik" title="User:Krelnik">Krelnik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Krelnik" title="User talk:Krelnik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Krelnik-2018-11-19T23:19:00.000Z-List_of_city_governments_entirely_run_by_women" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:19, 19 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-19T23:19:00.000Z-List_of_city_governments_entirely_run_by_women"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Krelnik-2018-11-19T23:19:00.000Z-List_of_city_governments_entirely_run_by_women"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-20T00:49:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-19T23:19:00.000Z"></span>I have this same problem. Note above my collection on women in central Asia. Where do we put this kind of stuff so we can easily find it? We need a library. *sigh* I think a list would be less likely to be considered OR. For an article, you'd have to have sources which address the phenomena as a whole. Just my opinion, which is worth nothing. <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-20T00:49:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-19T23:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-20T00:49:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-19T23:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-20T00:49:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-19T23:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T05:17:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-20T00:49:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Krelnik" title="User:Krelnik">Krelnik</a>:</span> I think it's a great idea. Another for your list: <a href="/wiki/Clintwood,_Virginia" title="Clintwood, Virginia">Clintwood, Virginia</a> elected an all-female town council in 1948.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>What I'd like to know, since we're on the subject: who was the first female mayor in Virginia? Google is surprisingly tight-lipped on that subject, last I checked. I'd love to write an article about her...if I knew who she was. --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT"><a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao"><i>Che dicono a Signa?</i></a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Lo dicono a Signa.</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T05:17:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-20T00:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:17, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T05:17:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-20T00:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T05:17:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-20T00:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheCatalyst31-2018-11-20T06:13:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T05:17:00.000Z"></span>The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.richmond.com/from-the-archives/from-the-archives-the-first-woman-mayor-in-the-eastern/article_4d21b2ca-6cdd-587a-a668-f26b359c9307.html">Richmond Times-Dispatch</a> claims it was Dorothy Davis of Washington, who was elected in 1950 along with the aforementioned all-woman city council. I'd find another source to back that up if I were you, though, since this is occasionally a disputed topic. When I was writing <a href="/wiki/Susan_Wissler" title="Susan Wissler">Susan Wissler</a>, I found multiple sources that said she was either the first woman mayor in America or elected within days of the first woman mayor, when the <a href="/wiki/Susanna_M._Salter" title="Susanna M. Salter">actual first woman mayor</a> predated her by two decades. <a href="/wiki/User:TheCatalyst31" title="User:TheCatalyst31">TheCatalyst31</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheCatalyst31" title="User talk:TheCatalyst31">Reaction</a>•<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheCatalyst31" title="Special:Contributions/TheCatalyst31">Creation</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-TheCatalyst31-2018-11-20T06:13:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T05:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:13, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheCatalyst31-2018-11-20T06:13:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T05:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheCatalyst31-2018-11-20T06:13:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T05:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T06:39:00.000Z-TheCatalyst31-2018-11-20T06:13:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TheCatalyst31" title="User:TheCatalyst31">TheCatalyst31</a>:</span> Hmm. Interesting. I know it's not right, because Clintwood elected its all-female council, including mayor, two years earlier. I really ought to shoot the <a href="/wiki/Library_of_Virginia" title="Library of Virginia">Library of Virginia</a> an e-mail and see what they have to say. --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT"><a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao"><i>Che dicono a Signa?</i></a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Lo dicono a Signa.</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T06:39:00.000Z-TheCatalyst31-2018-11-20T06:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:39, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T06:39:00.000Z-TheCatalyst31-2018-11-20T06:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T06:39:00.000Z-TheCatalyst31-2018-11-20T06:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-20T22:01:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T06:39:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TheCatalyst31" title="User:TheCatalyst31">TheCatalyst31</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a>:</span> I guess this Virginia issue certainly underscores the problem I pointed out. I found a newspaper source on the 1948 Clintwood election and added it to the Clintwood article - the 1950 claim is clearly wrong. I'm working on some other stuff right now, but I will create this list of all-women governments sometime soon as I've collected a ton of them into an offline note. --<a href="/wiki/User:Krelnik" title="User:Krelnik">Krelnik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Krelnik" title="User talk:Krelnik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Krelnik-2018-11-20T22:01:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T06:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-20T22:01:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T06:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Krelnik-2018-11-20T22:01:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-20T06:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T17:02:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-20T22:01:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Krelnik" title="User:Krelnik">Krelnik</a>:</span> As of now, it appears Clintwood is the best candidate for town with first woman mayor in Virginia. This pleases me greatly - I always enjoy the chance to write about Southwestern Virginia, and I find the political history of that part of the Commonwealth to be particularly interesting. Clintwood is the county seat of <a href="/wiki/Dickenson_County,_Virginia" title="Dickenson County, Virginia">Dickenson County</a>; one of the first two women returned to the <a href="/wiki/Virginia_House_of_Delegates" title="Virginia House of Delegates">Virginia House of Delegates</a> was <a href="/wiki/Helen_Timmons_Henderson" title="Helen Timmons Henderson">Helen Timmons Henderson</a>, of neighboring <a href="/wiki/Buchanan_County,_Virginia" title="Buchanan County, Virginia">Buchanan County</a>. Her daughter, <a href="/wiki/Helen_Ruth_Henderson" title="Helen Ruth Henderson">Helen Ruth Henderson</a>, also served in the House. Furthermore, at least two more of the early women members of the House were from western Virginia. (I sometimes think that a fascinating study could be made out of the history of women's participation in local politics across the rural South...I'm equally certain that I'm not the person to write it.)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Incidentally, this conversation has also gotten me wondering about the first woman to serve as mayor in the state of Maryland. Thus far the leading candidate appears to be Elizabeth Harrington, who was elected mayor of Greenbelt in 1949, and I <i>think</i> I'm safe in writing an article about her. Again, if anyone can turn up someone <i>earlier</i> I'd be gratified to run with it. --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT"><a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao"><i>Che dicono a Signa?</i></a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Lo dicono a Signa.</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T17:02:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-20T22:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 21 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T17:02:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-20T22:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T17:02:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-20T22:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T21:17:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T17:02:00.000Z"></span>I went ahead and shot an e-mail over to the Library of Virginia. Let's see what they come up with by way of response. --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT"><a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao"><i>Che dicono a Signa?</i></a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Lo dicono a Signa.</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T21:17:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T17:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 21 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T21:17:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T17:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T21:17:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T17:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-21T21:49:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T21:17:00.000Z"></span>Pursuant to this discussion I did some cleanup work today on <a href="/wiki/List_of_first_women_mayors_in_the_United_States" title="List of first women mayors in the United States">List of first women mayors in the United States</a>, including moving it from "...female mayors..." Threw in some mayors I knew of from my all-woman-government research that were missing. Removed a duplicate Utah that somehow had been invented, and added some missing states (SD and WVa) so all 50 are represented. In doing that last bit, I discovered the first woman mayor in South Dakota has the terrific name <a href="/w/index.php?title=Hattie_Pickles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Hattie Pickles (page does not exist)">Hattie Pickles</a>, she's now a WiR for someone to notice. --<a href="/wiki/User:Krelnik" title="User:Krelnik">Krelnik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Krelnik" title="User talk:Krelnik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Krelnik-2018-11-21T21:49:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T21:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 21 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-21T21:49:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T21:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Krelnik-2018-11-21T21:49:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-21T21:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYKs_now_appear_in_Article_Alerts!" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYKs_now_appear_in_Article_Alerts!-2018-11-23T16:40:00.000Z"><span id="DYKs_now_appear_in_Article_Alerts.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYKs_now_appear_in_Article_Alerts!-2018-11-23T16:40:00.000Z"></span>DYKs now appear in Article Alerts!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYKs_now_appear_in_Article_Alerts!-2018-11-23T16:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-23T16:40:00.000Z-DYKs_now_appear_in_Article_Alerts!"></span>Per the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red#Lady_Angela_Forbes" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red">Lady Angela Forbes</a> discussion above, we requested DYK be added to Article Alerts and I just noticed this was done on November 18. Thank you so much to <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Hellknowz" title="User:Hellknowz">Hellknowz</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Wugapodes" title="User:Wugapodes">Wugapodes</a>:</span> and anyone else who is involved in implementing this. Check out <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Article_alerts#DYKN" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Article alerts">the current results here</a>. (CC: <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:SlimVirgin" title="User:SlimVirgin">SlimVirgin</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">Maile66</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Alex_Shih" title="User:Alex Shih">Alex Shih</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a>:</span> who also participated in the discussion over at the article alert feature request page). --<a href="/wiki/User:Krelnik" title="User:Krelnik">Krelnik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Krelnik" title="User talk:Krelnik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Krelnik-2018-11-23T16:40:00.000Z-DYKs_now_appear_in_Article_Alerts!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 23 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Krelnik-2018-11-23T16:40:00.000Z-DYKs_now_appear_in_Article_Alerts!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Krelnik-2018-11-23T16:40:00.000Z-DYKs_now_appear_in_Article_Alerts!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-24T08:06:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-23T16:40:00.000Z"></span>It's a good feeling when the process works. 16:45, 23 November 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>This is a very useful feature.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ipigott-2018-11-24T08:06:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-23T16:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:06, 24 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-24T08:06:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-23T16:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-2018-11-24T08:06:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-23T16:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hellknowz-2018-11-24T12:14:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-23T16:40:00.000Z"></span>Dang, that's a long list. I sort of expected there to be a couple to few items in busy projects like TFAs. But I guess a few projects sure have many DYKs, with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Article_alerts&oldid=870367505">MILHIST</a> taking the cake. Having the blurb in report effectively doubles the list size. I will likely wrap it in <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Hover_title" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Hover title">hover title</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. — <small> <a href="/wiki/User:Hellknowz" title="User:Hellknowz"><span style="color: #B00;">HELL</span>KNOWZ</a> ▎<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hellknowz" title="User talk:Hellknowz">TALK</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Hellknowz-2018-11-24T12:14:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-23T16:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 24 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hellknowz-2018-11-24T12:14:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-23T16:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hellknowz-2018-11-24T12:14:00.000Z-Krelnik-2018-11-23T16:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2018-11-24T14:08:00.000Z-Hellknowz-2018-11-24T12:14:00.000Z"></span>That's useful! Nice to see all in one place what's been nominated and needs DYK review! <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Valereee-2018-11-24T14:08:00.000Z-Hellknowz-2018-11-24T12:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 24 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2018-11-24T14:08:00.000Z-Hellknowz-2018-11-24T12:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2018-11-24T14:08:00.000Z-Hellknowz-2018-11-24T12:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="BBC_100_Women_2018" data-mw-thread-id="h-BBC_100_Women_2018-2018-11-19T20:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BBC_100_Women_2018-2018-11-19T20:53:00.000Z"></span>BBC 100 Women 2018<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BBC_100_Women_2018-2018-11-19T20:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jane023-2018-11-19T20:53:00.000Z-BBC_100_Women_2018"></span>I guess it's that time of year again - see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-46225037">here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Jane023-2018-11-19T20:53:00.000Z-BBC_100_Women_2018" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 19 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jane023-2018-11-19T20:53:00.000Z-BBC_100_Women_2018"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jane023-2018-11-19T20:53:00.000Z-BBC_100_Women_2018"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-19T23:10:00.000Z-Jane023-2018-11-19T20:53:00.000Z"></span>I've updated <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/BBC_100_Women_redlinks" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/BBC 100 Women redlinks">Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/BBC 100 Women redlinks</a>, listing the 62 out of 100 women for whom we did not already have an article, at the top of the page. I guess in time they can be pushed down into their respective countries, but it might be useful to consider them as a cohort for the time being. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tagishsimon" title="User talk:Tagishsimon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-19T23:10:00.000Z-Jane023-2018-11-19T20:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 19 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-19T23:10:00.000Z-Jane023-2018-11-19T20:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-19T23:10:00.000Z-Jane023-2018-11-19T20:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jane023-2018-11-20T15:32:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-19T23:10:00.000Z"></span>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Jane023-2018-11-20T15:32:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-19T23:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jane023-2018-11-20T15:32:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-19T23:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jane023-2018-11-20T15:32:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-19T23:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jane023-2018-11-21T12:37:00.000Z-BBC_100_Women_2018"></span>And now, thanks to a fb live video on "rebel editting Wikipedia", we now have an article about human rights activist <a href="/wiki/Uma_Devi_Badi" title="Uma Devi Badi">Uma Devi Badi</a>, courtesy of <a href="/wiki/User:RebelEdit" title="User:RebelEdit">User:RebelEdit</a> (video is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.facebook.com/BookWeekScotland/videos/290120811632054/">here</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Jane023-2018-11-21T12:37:00.000Z-BBC_100_Women_2018" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 21 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jane023-2018-11-21T12:37:00.000Z-BBC_100_Women_2018"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jane023-2018-11-21T12:37:00.000Z-BBC_100_Women_2018"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T14:06:00.000Z-Jane023-2018-11-21T12:37:00.000Z"></span>They all should now have Wikidata entries at least, see <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mike_Peel/100_Women&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mike Peel/100 Women (page does not exist)">User:Mike Peel/100 Women</a>. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Peel" title="User:Mike Peel">Mike Peel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Peel" title="User talk:Mike Peel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T14:06:00.000Z-Jane023-2018-11-21T12:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 21 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T14:06:00.000Z-Jane023-2018-11-21T12:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T14:06:00.000Z-Jane023-2018-11-21T12:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PamD-2018-11-21T16:18:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T14:06:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Peel" title="User:Mike Peel">Mike Peel</a>:</span> Nice work, thanks. How do I connect your <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q58914439" class="extiw" title="d:Q58914439">d:Q58914439</a> to my newly-created <a href="/wiki/Svetlana_Alekseeva_(model)" title="Svetlana Alekseeva (model)">Svetlana Alekseeva (model)</a>? I'm a bit vague about Wikidata, though I've add <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Authority_control" title="Template:Authority control">Authority control</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span style="color: green"><i><b>Pam</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PamD" title="User talk:PamD"><span style="color: brown"><i><b>D</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-PamD-2018-11-21T16:18:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T14:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 21 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PamD-2018-11-21T16:18:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T14:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PamD-2018-11-21T16:18:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T14:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T16:30:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-21T16:18:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD">PamD</a>:</span> <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q58914439&diff=795478515&oldid=794816077">like this</a>. The list should automatically update at some point. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Peel" title="User:Mike Peel">Mike Peel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Peel" title="User talk:Mike Peel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T16:30:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-21T16:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 21 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T16:30:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-21T16:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T16:30:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-21T16:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PamD-2018-11-21T16:34:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T16:30:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Peel" title="User:Mike Peel">Mike Peel</a>:</span> Thanks. I got to the Wikidata entry for her but couldn't work out how to link to the disambiguated en.wiki title. <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span style="color: green"><i><b>Pam</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PamD" title="User talk:PamD"><span style="color: brown"><i><b>D</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-PamD-2018-11-21T16:34:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 21 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PamD-2018-11-21T16:34:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T16:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PamD-2018-11-21T16:34:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T16:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T16:38:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-21T16:34:00.000Z"></span>You can add the sitelink by clicking 'Edit' next to 'Wikipedia', then 'en' in the wiki box, then the page title in the next box, then click 'publish' (again next to 'Wikipedia'). It's a bit of a different interface from here, but straightforward once you've done it once or twice. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Peel" title="User:Mike Peel">Mike Peel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Peel" title="User talk:Mike Peel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T16:38:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-21T16:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 21 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T16:38:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-21T16:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T16:38:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-21T16:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-21T16:40:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T16:38:00.000Z"></span>Good work on adding the awards to Wikidata, Mike. That was to be my evening task, but you're way ahead of me. Thank you. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tagishsimon" title="User talk:Tagishsimon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-21T16:40:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T16:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 21 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-21T16:40:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T16:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-21T16:40:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2018-11-21T16:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-24T20:25:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-21T16:40:00.000Z"></span>Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Peel" title="User:Mike Peel">Mike Peel</a> for adding the awards to Wikidata. And thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Gamaliel" title="User:Gamaliel">Gamaliel</a> for the new <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/BBC_100_Women_2018" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/BBC 100 Women 2018">redlist</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosiestep" title="User talk:Rosiestep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Rosiestep-2018-11-24T20:25:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-21T16:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:25, 24 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-24T20:25:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-21T16:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-24T20:25:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-21T16:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tables_scrolling_(so_far,_works_only_in_Firefox_and_Safari_browsers)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tables_scrolling_(so_far,_works_only_in_Firefox_and_Safari_browsers)-2018-11-22T01:30:00.000Z"><span id="Tables_scrolling_.28so_far.2C_works_only_in_Firefox_and_Safari_browsers.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tables_scrolling_(so_far,_works_only_in_Firefox_and_Safari_browsers)-2018-11-22T01:30:00.000Z"></span>Tables scrolling (so far, works only in Firefox and Safari browsers)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tables_scrolling_(so_far,_works_only_in_Firefox_and_Safari_browsers)-2018-11-22T01:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2018-11-22T01:30:00.000Z-Tables_scrolling_(so_far,_works_only_in_Firefox_and_Safari_browsers)"></span>FYI (and ignore if you already knew this). You know those long tables we scroll through on women? Or short tables. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Sticky_table_headers" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)">VP: Sticky table headers</a>. The thread is about scrolling features on tables format. The short of it is: "Testing and development" at the bottom of <a href="/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets" title="Special:Preferences">Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets</a> has "Make sure that headers of tables remain in view as long as the table is in view". So, check that feature on that page, and you should be able to scroll down tables, while the row you're looking at appears immediately under the header. Lord, what a time saver. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Maile66-2018-11-22T01:30:00.000Z-Tables_scrolling_(so_far,_works_only_in_Firefox_and_Safari_browsers)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 22 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2018-11-22T01:30:00.000Z-Tables_scrolling_(so_far,_works_only_in_Firefox_and_Safari_browsers)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2018-11-22T01:30:00.000Z-Tables_scrolling_(so_far,_works_only_in_Firefox_and_Safari_browsers)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PamD-2018-11-25T17:19:00.000Z-Maile66-2018-11-22T01:30:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. <a href="/wiki/List_of_mountains_of_the_British_Isles_by_height" title="List of mountains of the British Isles by height">List_of_mountains_of_the_British_Isles_by_height</a> and so on will never be the same again! Brilliant. <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span style="color: green"><i><b>Pam</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PamD" title="User talk:PamD"><span style="color: brown"><i><b>D</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-PamD-2018-11-25T17:19:00.000Z-Maile66-2018-11-22T01:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PamD-2018-11-25T17:19:00.000Z-Maile66-2018-11-22T01:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PamD-2018-11-25T17:19:00.000Z-Maile66-2018-11-22T01:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Women_who_are_redirects" data-mw-thread-id="h-Women_who_are_redirects-2018-11-23T12:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Women_who_are_redirects-2018-11-23T12:20:00.000Z"></span>Women who are redirects<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Women_who_are_redirects-2018-11-23T12:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2018-11-23T12:20:00.000Z-Women_who_are_redirects"></span>Through clicking through the DYK section I found <a href="/wiki/Ma%C5%82ka_Zdrojewicz" class="mw-redirect" title="Małka Zdrojewicz">Małka Zdrojewicz</a> and to me she seems notable enough to have her own article rather than being a redirect to a famous photograph of her; the photo isn't the only thing that makes her notable. She does get more than just a mention in the photograph article, but still. I made an article a few days ago when I discovered a prominent local philanthropist was a redirect to her father in law, where she was barely mentioned. It's making me wonder if there are a lot of women who aren't redlinks but instead are redirects, sometimes to articles in which they're only mentioned in passing, which dismisses them almost more clearly than a redlink does. It made me wonder if this project has anything in place to try to detect women who aren't in red, but who are redirects when they could have their own article? I see the "Redirects for Discussion" section on the main page, but I'm not suggesting that Zdrojewicz -shouldn't- redirect there for now, just that for the purposes of this project she ought to be treated as a redlink. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Valereee-2018-11-23T12:20:00.000Z-Women_who_are_redirects" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 23 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2018-11-23T12:20:00.000Z-Women_who_are_redirects"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2018-11-23T12:20:00.000Z-Women_who_are_redirects"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Penny_Richards-2018-11-23T14:54:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-23T12:20:00.000Z"></span>I do those sometimes. In case you're looking for another example, I recently started an article for <a href="/wiki/Marian_Irwin_Osterhout" title="Marian Irwin Osterhout">Marian Irwin Osterhout</a>, a plant biologist whose name previously only redirected to the page for the surname <a href="/wiki/Osterhout" title="Osterhout">Osterhout</a>, not even to her husband's or father's pages (they both already had articles). - <a href="/wiki/User:Penny_Richards" title="User:Penny Richards">Penny Richards</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Penny_Richards" title="User talk:Penny Richards">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Penny_Richards-2018-11-23T14:54:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-23T12:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 23 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Penny_Richards-2018-11-23T14:54:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-23T12:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Penny_Richards-2018-11-23T14:54:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-23T12:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2018-11-23T15:57:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2018-11-23T14:54:00.000Z"></span>ugh, that sucks <a href="/wiki/User:Penny_Richards" title="User:Penny Richards">Penny Richards</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Valereee-2018-11-23T15:57:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2018-11-23T14:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 23 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2018-11-23T15:57:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2018-11-23T14:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2018-11-23T15:57:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2018-11-23T14:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-23T15:49:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2018-11-23T14:54:00.000Z"></span>Valereee</a> I think we've all noticed the trend, but I'm not sure how we convince people to insert the names as redlinks rather than redirects. There are a whole lot of people who don't even like redlinks, but fortunately consensus at this time is against their POV. Not sure how a list could be made of women redirects without an article. Far too technical an issue for me to deal with. I write them as I discover them. <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-23T15:49:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2018-11-23T14:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 23 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-23T15:49:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2018-11-23T14:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-23T15:49:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2018-11-23T14:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2018-11-23T15:57:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-23T15:49:00.000Z"></span>SusunW</a> I was thinking more of keeping a list, separate from the redlinks lists because they'd of course show up there in blue. And, yes, I know some people prefer to make a redirect to some related article instead of a redlink; I get the reason, but it does make it harder to detect missing women...do you think anyone would object to a category for 'Redirects' ? Or would that somehow break wikipedia? <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Valereee-2018-11-23T15:57:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-23T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 23 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2018-11-23T15:57:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-23T15:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2018-11-23T15:57:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-23T15:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-23T16:53:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-23T15:57:00.000Z"></span>Valereee</a>. I have no idea. Wikipedia technology is not intuitive nor is policy on obscure areas easy to find. Hopefully some page watcher can answer your question. <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-23T16:53:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-23T15:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 23 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-23T16:53:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-23T15:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-23T16:53:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-23T15:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Warofdreams-2018-11-23T16:58:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-23T16:53:00.000Z"></span>The subcats of <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_with_possibilities" title="Category:Redirects with possibilities">Category:Redirects with possibilities</a> would be a good place, <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_spouses" title="Category:Redirects from spouses">Category:Redirects from spouses</a> in particular mostly contains women and some may well be sufficiently notable for articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Warofdreams" title="User:Warofdreams">Warofdreams</a> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Warofdreams" title="User talk:Warofdreams">talk</a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Warofdreams-2018-11-23T16:58:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-23T16:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 23 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Warofdreams-2018-11-23T16:58:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-23T16:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Warofdreams-2018-11-23T16:58:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-23T16:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PamD-2018-11-25T14:21:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-23T15:49:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a>:</span> Sorry, but I think creating redlinks instead of redirects is not a good idea. If there is any information on a woman it's more useful to the reader to be directed to it (even if it's a passing mention in husband's or alma mater's article), as it gives a bit of chronological and geographical context and may have information sources to lead to much more. Yes, we should be on the lookout for women who haven't got an article of their own but don't have a red link because they are a redirect - is there scope for our WikiData lists to include them, I wonder? But we mustn't forget that the purpose of the encyclopedia is to help readers find information. Short-term they are better served by a redirect, even if long-term the presence of redlinks might lead to creation of proper articles which will help the reader more. <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span style="color: green"><i><b>Pam</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PamD" title="User talk:PamD"><span style="color: brown"><i><b>D</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-PamD-2018-11-25T14:21:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-23T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:21, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PamD-2018-11-25T14:21:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-23T15:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PamD-2018-11-25T14:21:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-23T15:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2018-11-25T14:48:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T14:21:00.000Z"></span>PamD</a> the problem with redirects is that they don't show up, so you might not realize a women is a redirect unless you click on every bluelink woman's name. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Valereee-2018-11-25T14:48:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T14:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2018-11-25T14:48:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T14:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2018-11-25T14:48:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T14:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T14:56:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T14:21:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a>:</span>*cough* Read my reply, below, which you kinda pushed out of the way :( --<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tagishsimon" title="User talk:Tagishsimon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T14:56:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T14:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T14:56:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T14:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T14:56:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T14:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2018-11-25T15:16:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T14:56:00.000Z"></span>Tagishsimon</a> I'm sorry, I don't understand pushed out of the way? I indented further in than you did under PamD so it would be obvious I was replying to her <i>after</i> you'd replied? I guess I'm doing that wrong? Guess I need to go read some guideline lol <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) 15:16, 25 November 2018 (UTC) ETA: lol, I see that I didn't in fact indent bigger! fixing <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Valereee-2018-11-25T15:16:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T14:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2018-11-25T15:16:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T14:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2018-11-25T15:16:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T14:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PamD-2018-11-25T17:17:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-25T15:16:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a>:</span> But for the reader, as opposed to the editor, a redirect pointing to a little bit of information is more helpful than a redlink which just tells them "someone thinks there ought to be an article about her but there isn't one yet". The readers are the priority. <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span style="color: green"><i><b>Pam</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PamD" title="User talk:PamD"><span style="color: brown"><i><b>D</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-PamD-2018-11-25T17:17:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-25T15:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:17, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PamD-2018-11-25T17:17:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-25T15:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PamD-2018-11-25T17:17:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-25T15:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T14:36:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T14:21:00.000Z"></span>Wikidata does not, as a rule, have sitelinks to redirects, so wikidata redlists will list women even if their prospective article title has been made into a redirect. By-hand redlists should continue to list redirect article titles. Fwiw, I use <a href="/wiki/User:Anomie/linkclassifier" title="User:Anomie/linkclassifier">User:Anomie/linkclassifier</a>, which usefully colour-codes links by type; so redirects are green, DAB pages have yellow highlighting, etc - see <a href="/wiki/User:Anomie/linkclassifier#Legend" title="User:Anomie/linkclassifier">User:Anomie/linkclassifier#Legend</a>. Highly recommended. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tagishsimon" title="User talk:Tagishsimon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T14:36:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T14:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T14:36:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T14:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T14:36:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T14:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2018-11-25T15:19:00.000Z-Women_who_are_redirects"></span>Okay, now I have zero idea what I'm screwing up <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Valereee-2018-11-25T15:19:00.000Z-Women_who_are_redirects" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:19, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2018-11-25T15:19:00.000Z-Women_who_are_redirects"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2018-11-25T15:19:00.000Z-Women_who_are_redirects"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-25T16:30:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-25T15:19:00.000Z"></span>PamD</a>, what I frequently see is a redirect from a woman to an article that doesn't even mention her. How is that helpful? The poor reader has no idea why they ended up on John Doe's page if Jane's name isn't anywhere in the text and is left to ponder— so was she his partner, sister, mother, or his murderer? <a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a>, THAT is cool. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-25T16:30:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-25T15:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-25T16:30:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-25T15:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-25T16:30:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-25T15:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T16:36:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-25T16:30:00.000Z"></span>Transformational, SusunW. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tagishsimon" title="User talk:Tagishsimon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T16:36:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-25T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T16:36:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-25T16:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T16:36:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-25T16:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joseph2302-2018-11-25T16:42:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T16:36:00.000Z"></span>FYI, <a href="/wiki/User:Anomie/linkclassifier" title="User:Anomie/linkclassifier">this link classifier</a> helps you spot redirects- it shows them as green. But I agree there's too many redirects for women to articles with not much/nothing about them, so it'd be a good idea to get a proper article about them. <a href="/wiki/User:Joseph2302" title="User:Joseph2302"><b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseph2302" title="User talk:Joseph2302"><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseph2302" title="User talk:Joseph2302">talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Joseph2302-2018-11-25T16:42:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T16:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joseph2302-2018-11-25T16:42:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T16:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joseph2302-2018-11-25T16:42:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-25T16:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PamD-2018-11-25T16:55:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2018-11-25T16:42:00.000Z"></span>If there's a redirect to a page which doesn't mention the woman, then please send it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RfD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RfD">WP:RfD</a> - or dig around for some relevant info to add to the article if you can work out what the person who created the redirect had in mind, perhaps from the page history. <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span style="color: green"><i><b>Pam</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PamD" title="User talk:PamD"><span style="color: brown"><i><b>D</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-PamD-2018-11-25T16:55:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2018-11-25T16:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:55, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PamD-2018-11-25T16:55:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2018-11-25T16:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PamD-2018-11-25T16:55:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2018-11-25T16:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PamD-2018-11-25T16:58:00.000Z-Women_who_are_redirects"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a>:</span> (can't work out the appropriate level of indentation!), I think the idea is if you're replying to me (as at 2:48) you indent one level further than my 2:21 post, but you put it below anyone else (like Tagishsimon's 2:36) which was also a one-level-in reply to my 2:21 post. It does get confusing. <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span style="color: green"><i><b>Pam</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PamD" title="User talk:PamD"><span style="color: brown"><i><b>D</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-PamD-2018-11-25T16:58:00.000Z-Women_who_are_redirects" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PamD-2018-11-25T16:58:00.000Z-Women_who_are_redirects"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PamD-2018-11-25T16:58:00.000Z-Women_who_are_redirects"></span> </p><p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PamD-2018-11-25T16:58:00.000Z-Women_who_are_redirects-1"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Joseph2302" title="User:Joseph2302">Joseph2302</a>:</span> That colour-coding sounds very useful, especially for this project - I already have all links to dab pages coloured orange (using a Gadget under Preferences). It looks a bit complicated so I'll need to take a bit of time to look carefully and work out how to use it. But thanks for telling us about it, it looks great. <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span style="color: green"><i><b>Pam</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PamD" title="User talk:PamD"><span style="color: brown"><i><b>D</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-PamD-2018-11-25T16:58:00.000Z-Women_who_are_redirects-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PamD-2018-11-25T16:58:00.000Z-Women_who_are_redirects-1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PamD-2018-11-25T16:58:00.000Z-Women_who_are_redirects-1"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PamD-2018-11-25T17:10:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T16:58:00.000Z"></span>Yup, I think I've now added it to my .js and it's looking good. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span style="color: green"><i><b>Pam</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PamD" title="User talk:PamD"><span style="color: brown"><i><b>D</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-PamD-2018-11-25T17:10:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T16:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PamD-2018-11-25T17:10:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T16:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PamD-2018-11-25T17:10:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T16:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Joseph2302" title="User:Joseph2302"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2018-11-25T18:16:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T17:10:00.000Z"></span>Joseph2302</a> thank you, that is awesome! <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Valereee-2018-11-25T18:16:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T17:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2018-11-25T18:16:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T17:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2018-11-25T18:16:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-25T17:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Link_problem" data-mw-thread-id="h-Link_problem-2018-11-26T05:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Link_problem-2018-11-26T05:15:00.000Z"></span>Link problem<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Link_problem-2018-11-26T05:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oronsay-2018-11-26T05:15:00.000Z-Link_problem"></span>On the #1Day1Woman project page, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/00/2018" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/00/2018">Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/00/2018</a> the links to earlier months in 2018 don't work because all the months from January to October are hidden. Can someone please figure out how to fix this? Many thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Oronsay" title="User:Oronsay">Oronsay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oronsay" title="User talk:Oronsay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Oronsay-2018-11-26T05:15:00.000Z-Link_problem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:15, 26 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oronsay-2018-11-26T05:15:00.000Z-Link_problem"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oronsay-2018-11-26T05:15:00.000Z-Link_problem"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Oronsay" title="User:Oronsay"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-26T09:09:00.000Z-Oronsay-2018-11-26T05:15:00.000Z"></span>Oronsay</a>: Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I think it's OK now.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ipigott-2018-11-26T09:09:00.000Z-Oronsay-2018-11-26T05:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:09, 26 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-26T09:09:00.000Z-Oronsay-2018-11-26T05:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-2018-11-26T09:09:00.000Z-Oronsay-2018-11-26T05:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oronsay-2018-11-26T09:12:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-26T09:09:00.000Z"></span>Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a>. It does work OK now. <a href="/wiki/User:Oronsay" title="User:Oronsay">Oronsay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oronsay" title="User talk:Oronsay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Oronsay-2018-11-26T09:12:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-26T09:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:12, 26 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oronsay-2018-11-26T09:12:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-26T09:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oronsay-2018-11-26T09:12:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-26T09:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_Space_of_Their_Own_-_database_of_women_artists" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_Space_of_Their_Own_-_database_of_women_artists-2018-11-06T16:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_Space_of_Their_Own_-_database_of_women_artists-2018-11-06T16:54:00.000Z"></span>A Space of Their Own - database of women artists<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_Space_of_Their_Own_-_database_of_women_artists-2018-11-06T16:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-06T16:54:00.000Z-A_Space_of_Their_Own_-_database_of_women_artists"></span>From the blog of the <a href="/wiki/National_Museum_of_Women_in_the_Arts" title="National Museum of Women in the Arts">National Museum of Women in the Arts</a>: "Researchers at Indiana University Bloomington are creating a comprehensive online database of female artists active in the U.S. and Europe from the 15th to 19th centuries." More <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://hyperallergic.com/468225/a-space-of-their-own-advancing-women-artists/">here</a> from Hyperallergic. </p><p>The article also mentions the CLARA database from NMWA, no longer being updated, and the Canadian Women Artists History Initiative, of which I have heard as well. There is also <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://awarewomenartists.com/en/artistes_femmes/">the database kept by AWARE</a>, an index of women visual artists born between 1860 and 1920. That one I'd never encountered before. </p><p>The Indiana University database has yet to come online, and it looks like it's going to be in the very early stages soon. Even so, this is a.) an exciting development, and b.) a potentially great new source, it seems. --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT"><a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao"><i>Che dicono a Signa?</i></a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Lo dicono a Signa.</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-06T16:54:00.000Z-A_Space_of_Their_Own_-_database_of_women_artists" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 6 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-06T16:54:00.000Z-A_Space_of_Their_Own_-_database_of_women_artists"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-06T16:54:00.000Z-A_Space_of_Their_Own_-_database_of_women_artists"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-06T17:06:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-06T16:54:00.000Z"></span>Fabulous <a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a>. You should put the links on the Ideas page for Art + Feminism in March. <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-06T17:06:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-06T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 6 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-06T17:06:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-06T16:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-06T17:06:00.000Z-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-06T16:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-06T17:36:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-06T17:06:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a>:</span> Done. :-) --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT"><a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao"><i>Che dicono a Signa?</i></a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Lo dicono a Signa.</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-06T17:36:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-06T17:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:36, 6 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-06T17:36:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-06T17:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao-2018-11-06T17:36:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-06T17:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jane023-2018-11-26T09:16:00.000Z-A_Space_of_Their_Own_-_database_of_women_artists"></span>I created the item Q59205772 for this database/catalog of 15th-19th century female artists, which I assume can already be used to add to the items for the works listed in that article. If anyone finds published summaries elsewhere we can use those too. The article also mentions <a href="/wiki/Clara_database" title="Clara database">Clara database</a> as inspiration and I suppose we need an item/article for the French <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://awarewomenartists.com/en/a_propos/">AWARE</a> (20th-century) and also for <a href="/wiki/Jane_Fortune" title="Jane Fortune">Jane Fortune</a>'s <a href="/w/index.php?title=The_Florence_Committee_of_the_National_Museum_for_Women_in_the_Arts&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="The Florence Committee of the National Museum for Women in the Arts (page does not exist)">The Florence Committee of the National Museum for Women in the Arts</a> as well (if it is not already out there as the former name of <a href="/wiki/Advancing_Women_Artists_Foundation" title="Advancing Women Artists Foundation">Advancing Women Artists Foundation</a>). Any other similar societies that are out there need items. It would probably be good to list a project page for each country covered in their scope to help get the works into Wikidata and the artists onto Wikipedia during A&F 2019. <a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Jane023-2018-11-26T09:16:00.000Z-A_Space_of_Their_Own_-_database_of_women_artists" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:16, 26 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jane023-2018-11-26T09:16:00.000Z-A_Space_of_Their_Own_-_database_of_women_artists"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jane023-2018-11-26T09:16:00.000Z-A_Space_of_Their_Own_-_database_of_women_artists"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="December_WIR_topics" data-mw-thread-id="h-December_WIR_topics-2018-11-25T11:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-December_WIR_topics-2018-11-25T11:29:00.000Z"></span>December WIR topics<span data-mw-comment-end="h-December_WIR_topics-2018-11-25T11:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joseph2302-2018-11-25T11:29:00.000Z-December_WIR_topics"></span>Just wondering, has it been decided what the three December WIR topics are going to be? Usually the events pages has them up a few weeks in advance. <a href="/wiki/User:Joseph2302" title="User:Joseph2302"><b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseph2302" title="User talk:Joseph2302"><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseph2302" title="User talk:Joseph2302">talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Joseph2302-2018-11-25T11:29:00.000Z-December_WIR_topics" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joseph2302-2018-11-25T11:29:00.000Z-December_WIR_topics"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joseph2302-2018-11-25T11:29:00.000Z-December_WIR_topics"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Joseph2302" title="User:Joseph2302"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-25T13:48:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2018-11-25T11:29:00.000Z"></span>Joseph2302</a>: This is still under discussion on our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Ideas#Firming_up_for_December" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Ideas">Ideas page</a>. As soon as the focus has been clarified, I'll add the details to the Events page.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ipigott-2018-11-25T13:48:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2018-11-25T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 25 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-25T13:48:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2018-11-25T11:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-2018-11-25T13:48:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2018-11-25T11:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Joseph2302" title="User:Joseph2302"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-27T08:50:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-25T13:48:00.000Z"></span>Joseph2302</a>: The priorities for December have now been decided: they are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/101" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/101">Photography</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/102" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/102">Laureates</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/103" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/103">Countries beginning with 'I'</a>. Invitations will be sent out soon.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ipigott-2018-11-27T08:50:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-25T13:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 27 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-2018-11-27T08:50:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-25T13:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-2018-11-27T08:50:00.000Z-Ipigott-2018-11-25T13:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="December_2018_at_Women_in_Red" data-mw-thread-id="h-December_2018_at_Women_in_Red-2018-11-27T13:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-December_2018_at_Women_in_Red-2018-11-27T13:54:00.000Z"></span>December 2018 at Women in Red<span data-mw-comment-end="h-December_2018_at_Women_in_Red-2018-11-27T13:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 6px solid #8DB600 ; background-color: #FFFFFF;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-27T13:54:00.000Z-December_2018_at_Women_in_Red"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Women_in_Red_logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Women_in_Red_logo.svg/100px-Women_in_Red_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="92" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Women_in_Red_logo.svg/150px-Women_in_Red_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Women_in_Red_logo.svg/200px-Women_in_Red_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="630" data-file-height="580"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <big><i>The</i> <i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red">WiR</a></i> <i>December editathons provide something for everyone.</i></big> <p><br/><br/> New: <span class="plainlinks clickbutton"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/101" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/101"><span class="mw-ui-button"><small>Photography</small></span></a></span> <span class="plainlinks clickbutton"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/102" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/102"><span class="mw-ui-button"><small>Laureates</small></span></a></span> <span class="plainlinks clickbutton"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/103" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/103"><span class="mw-ui-button"><small>Countries beginning with 'I'</small></span></a></span> </p><p>Continuing: <span class="plainlinks clickbutton"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/00/2018" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/00/2018"><span class="mw-ui-button"><small>#1day1woman Global Initiative</small></span></a></span> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid #000000;"> <p><b>Latest headlines, news, and views on the Women in Red talkpage (Join the conversation!):</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red#BBC_100_Women_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red">BBC 100 Women 2018</a></li></ul> <p><small>(To subscribe: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Women_in_Red/Invite/List" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Meetup/Women in Red/Invite/List">Women in Red/English language mailing list</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Outreach/International_list" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/International list">Women in Red/international list</a>. Unsubscribe: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Women_in_Red/Invite/Opt-out" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Meetup/Women in Red/Invite/Opt-out">Women in Red/Opt-out list</a>)<br/>--<a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosiestep" title="User talk:Rosiestep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Rosiestep-2018-11-27T13:54:00.000Z-December_2018_at_Women_in_Red" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 27 November 2018 (UTC)</a> via MassMessaging</small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-27T13:54:00.000Z-December_2018_at_Women_in_Red"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosiestep-2018-11-27T13:54:00.000Z-December_2018_at_Women_in_Red"></span> </p> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="assistance_with_previously_deleted_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-assistance_with_previously_deleted_article-2018-11-27T18:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-assistance_with_previously_deleted_article-2018-11-27T18:10:00.000Z"></span>assistance with previously deleted article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-assistance_with_previously_deleted_article-2018-11-27T18:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Dara_Quigley" title="Dara Quigley"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2018-11-27T18:10:00.000Z-assistance_with_previously_deleted_article"></span>Dara Quigley</a> shows as previously deleted a bit over ten months agao as 'clearly not news' and 'no lasting coverage' here: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dara_Quigley" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dara Quigley">Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dara_Quigley</a>. It's continued to receive coverage, including some in the past couple of months, so I'm crossing my fingers, but response to my draft would be appreciated: <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee/Dara_Quigley" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Valereee/Dara Quigley">User:Valereee/Dara Quigley</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Valereee-2018-11-27T18:10:00.000Z-assistance_with_previously_deleted_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:10, 27 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2018-11-27T18:10:00.000Z-assistance_with_previously_deleted_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2018-11-27T18:10:00.000Z-assistance_with_previously_deleted_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SamHolt6-2018-11-28T05:56:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-27T18:10:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a>:</span> having given a quick glace at your draft, I would say that the article has a good chance of surviving in the mainspace. If you feel comfortable enough to submit the draft to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFC">WP:AFC</a>, I would be willing to conduct an in-depth review and then (assuming it meets criteria, which it almost certainly does) move the article to the mainspace.--<a href="/wiki/User:SamHolt6" title="User:SamHolt6">SamHolt6</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SamHolt6" title="User talk:SamHolt6">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SamHolt6-2018-11-28T05:56:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-27T18:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:56, 28 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SamHolt6-2018-11-28T05:56:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-27T18:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SamHolt6-2018-11-28T05:56:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-27T18:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-2018-11-28T08:24:00.000Z-SamHolt6-2018-11-28T05:56:00.000Z"></span>Just an observation. What is notable is the controversy surrounding this person's death, sadly not the person themselves. I rather doubt it would survive as an article in its own right, an article on the controversy probably would. IMHO that is the article you should be writing. <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Wee_Curry_Monster" title="User:Wee Curry Monster">W</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wee_Curry_Monster" title="Special:Contributions/Wee Curry Monster">C</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wee_Curry_Monster" title="User talk:Wee Curry Monster">M</a></span><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Wee_Curry_Monster" title="Special:EmailUser/Wee Curry Monster">email</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Wee_Curry_Monster-2018-11-28T08:24:00.000Z-SamHolt6-2018-11-28T05:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:24, 28 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-2018-11-28T08:24:00.000Z-SamHolt6-2018-11-28T05:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-2018-11-28T08:24:00.000Z-SamHolt6-2018-11-28T05:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PamD-2018-11-28T08:43:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-27T18:10:00.000Z"></span>The earlier AfD was very poorly attended - just one editor in addition to the one who proposed deletion. I wonder whether she was tagged for attention of any WikiProjects - Ireland, Women, possibly some project concerned with data protection? We must make sure that if the new article goes into mainspace it is tagged for appropriate projects, so that interested parties are alerted to any discussions. <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span style="color: green"><i><b>Pam</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PamD" title="User talk:PamD"><span style="color: brown"><i><b>D</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-PamD-2018-11-28T08:43:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-27T18:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:43, 28 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PamD-2018-11-28T08:43:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-27T18:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PamD-2018-11-28T08:43:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-27T18:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:SamHolt6" title="User:SamHolt6"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2018-11-28T12:49:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-28T08:43:00.000Z"></span>SamHolt6</a> Thank you -- I'll ping you when I'm ready; I've got one more article that I just got access to (thanks to <a href="/wiki/User:Megalibrarygirl" title="User:Megalibrarygirl">Megalibrarygirl</a> who helped with a paywall). <a href="/wiki/User:Wee_Curry_Monster" title="User:Wee Curry Monster">Wee Curry Monster</a> thanks, I had actually wondered about that, I'll give it some thought. Are you thinking an article named <a href="/w/index.php?title=Dara_Quigly_controversy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Dara Quigly controversy (page does not exist)">Dara Quigly controversy</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD">PamD</a> I saw that -- only one commenter beyond the nomination for deletion. It was tagged for multiple projects, but only that one commenter came in, and I was wondering whether that was a factor of the article having been created at a point when it was expected to perhaps be no longer in the news, just another sad tale with little staying power. The fact it's being written about fairly regularly while the investigation drags maybe would be enough. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Valereee-2018-11-28T12:49:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-28T08:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 28 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2018-11-28T12:49:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-28T08:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2018-11-28T12:49:00.000Z-PamD-2018-11-28T08:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_journal_article_published" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_journal_article_published-2018-11-19T15:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_journal_article_published-2018-11-19T15:26:00.000Z"></span>New journal article published<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_journal_article_published-2018-11-19T15:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zeromonk-2018-11-19T15:26:00.000Z-New_journal_article_published"></span>Hello folks. Just wanted to let you know that an article I wrote about the history of women in engineering on wiki has been published (open access, hurrah!) <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://journal.sciencemuseum.ac.uk/browse/issue-10/the-history-of-women-in-engineering-on-wikipedia">here</a>. If you have any thoughts or comments then I'd be very glad to learn from them. <a href="/wiki/User:Zeromonk" title="User:Zeromonk">Zeromonk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zeromonk" title="User talk:Zeromonk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Zeromonk-2018-11-19T15:26:00.000Z-New_journal_article_published" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:26, 19 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zeromonk-2018-11-19T15:26:00.000Z-New_journal_article_published"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zeromonk-2018-11-19T15:26:00.000Z-New_journal_article_published"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Zeromonk" title="User:Zeromonk"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2018-11-19T18:24:00.000Z-Zeromonk-2018-11-19T15:26:00.000Z"></span>Zeromonk</a>, Great article. I was very interested to read your analysis of the "History of women in engineering" page. It points to a specific conundrum often encountered — how does one incorporate women (and minorities) into the encyclopedia. The problem is, to my mind, that most people are never taught about anything other than mainstream culture. Studying minority history only typically occurs at the university level, thus broad knowledge of marginalized people's history is unknown in general, and is taught as separate fields (Gender Studies, Latino Studies, Caribbean Studies, African Studies, Asian Studies, etc). In a way, as always, WP then mirrors academia. Women/marginalized groups' history in any given field <i>was</i> different. From a historical perspective, they were treated separately: Their citizenship was questionable, their participation in the job market was often curtailed, as was their participation in general society. Trying to relate these different experiences becomes lost in an article about the entire field; while simultaneously reinforcing the obscurity of their experiences. It is often challenged as violating NPOV, as well. So how do you fix it? The only way I know is to fix/write each article when you notice a gap in coverage. Simply slapping on a tag for someone else to fix the problem, to my mind, just exacerbates the problem, as it points out that there is an issue but no will to actually "do" something about it. <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-SusunW-2018-11-19T18:24:00.000Z-Zeromonk-2018-11-19T15:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:24, 19 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2018-11-19T18:24:00.000Z-Zeromonk-2018-11-19T15:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2018-11-19T18:24:00.000Z-Zeromonk-2018-11-19T15:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zeromonk-2018-11-28T15:59:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-19T18:24:00.000Z"></span>SusunW</a> thanks so much for that really thoughtful response, I appreciate you taking the time and I agree with you on the idea of being active! <a href="/wiki/User:Zeromonk" title="User:Zeromonk">Zeromonk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zeromonk" title="User talk:Zeromonk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Zeromonk-2018-11-28T15:59:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-19T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 28 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zeromonk-2018-11-28T15:59:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-19T18:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zeromonk-2018-11-28T15:59:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-11-19T18:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Afd_Rachel_Parent" data-mw-thread-id="h-Afd_Rachel_Parent-2018-11-29T11:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Afd_Rachel_Parent-2018-11-29T11:50:00.000Z"></span>Afd Rachel Parent<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Afd_Rachel_Parent-2018-11-29T11:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Vintage_Feminist-2018-11-29T11:50:00.000Z-Afd_Rachel_Parent"></span>There is currently an Afd for Rachel Parent, comments welcome <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rachel_Parent_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rachel Parent (2nd nomination)">WP:Articles for deletion/Rachel Parent (2nd nomination)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:The_Vintage_Feminist" title="User:The Vintage Feminist">The Vintage Feminist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Vintage_Feminist" title="User talk:The Vintage Feminist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-The_Vintage_Feminist-2018-11-29T11:50:00.000Z-Afd_Rachel_Parent" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:50, 29 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Vintage_Feminist-2018-11-29T11:50:00.000Z-Afd_Rachel_Parent"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Vintage_Feminist-2018-11-29T11:50:00.000Z-Afd_Rachel_Parent"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Irish_revolutionary_women" data-mw-thread-id="h-Irish_revolutionary_women-2018-11-30T00:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Irish_revolutionary_women-2018-11-30T00:12:00.000Z"></span>Irish revolutionary women<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Irish_revolutionary_women-2018-11-30T00:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T00:12:00.000Z-Irish_revolutionary_women"></span>The Irish war of independence formed the same day as the first Irish parliament, 21 January 1919 (though in fact the events were independent of each other) and the war ran until 10 May 1921. I spent some time creating pages for the women of 1916 and many were obviously also involved in this war. I intend to try to complete the list of Irish revolutionary women (as many as I can anyway) and I hope to kick off on the appropriate date. </p><p>Obviously <a href="/wiki/Constance_Markievicz" title="Constance Markievicz">Constance Markievicz</a> was there as was the brother of <a href="/wiki/Louise_Gavan_Duffy" title="Louise Gavan Duffy">Louise Gavan Duffy</a>. Another was the husband of <a href="/wiki/Mabel_McConnell_Fitzgerald" title="Mabel McConnell Fitzgerald">Mabel McConnell Fitzgerald</a> and many other brothers and husbands of prominent women were in the ensuing parliaments -As well some of those women in subsequent elections...I would have loved to get some of these articles to GA before then but I wasn't able to especially when I went and broke my arm. Typing is a royal pain. I have never done the Photo of the day idea - if anyone could suggest anything or would like to help or anything, I would be thrilled. For me, 1919-21 was about the war so I hope for 2019-21 to focus (at least some of the time) on the women who have been left out of the histories.<a href="/wiki/User:Antiqueight" title="User:Antiqueight"><em style="font-family: Kristen ITC; color:red"> ☕ Antiqueight</em></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antiqueight" title="User talk:Antiqueight"><sup><small>chatter</small></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T00:12:00.000Z-Irish_revolutionary_women" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T00:12:00.000Z-Irish_revolutionary_women"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T00:12:00.000Z-Irish_revolutionary_women"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T01:10:00.000Z-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T00:12:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Antiqueight" title="User:Antiqueight">Antiqueight</a>:</span> You probably want the National Library of Ireland for this, and they do put some pretty high resolutioon copies up which I can... probably figure out how to get. Let's go through how I evaluate, it might help.</dd> <dd>Let's start by evaluating what we need to know. <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory" class="extiw" title="commons:Commons:Copyright rules by territory">commons:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory</a> is a useful start, and clicking on to <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Copyright_rules_by_territory/Consolidated_list_I-L#Ireland" class="extiw" title="commons:Copyright rules by territory/Consolidated list I-L">Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Consolidated_list_I-L#Ireland</a> we see that we have fairly standard European copyright laws. That's slightly annoying, but nothing too bad.</dd> <dd>So, let's check the library. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://catalogue.nli.ie/">[1]</a> First of all, it gives you the option to only search for digitized images with a check box. We may as well check it; anything undigitised isn't much use to us. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://catalogue.nli.ie/Search/Results?lookfor=Markievicz&type=AllFields&submit=FIND&filter%5B%5D=digitised%3A%22Digitised%22">There's a lot of things under Markievicz</a>].</dd> <dd>We need to evaluate two things: Copyright, and usability. For example, if we look at <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000643593">[2]</a>, we can zoom in on her face by clicking the "+" button on the digitised section, and see it's... not very usable. Plus, the library claims rights on the image: "Reproduction rights owned by the National Library of Ireland." - No good!</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000643581">[3]</a> is excellent quality, and if we couldn't find anything free-licensed, we might be able to fair use it. But we have free-licenced images, so that "Reproduction rights owned by the National Library of Ireland." means we move on.</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000030562">[4]</a> is interesting, but... "Reproduction rights owned by the National Library of Ireland." WAIT, though. This is in our article, and <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.flickr.com/people/47290943@N03">[5]</a> - their own upload - says that there's no known copyright restrictions.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>So at this point, we flip the National Library of Ireland off and go off grumbling for a bit, wondering what the hell's going on here.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Once we've calmed down, we go to <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://catalogue.nli.ie/Ask_a_Librarian/Home">http://catalogue.nli.ie/Ask_a_Librarian/Home</a> and write them an e-mail. I wrote (in part) "...What does this mean for reuse? On the one hand, they're being uploaded to a place saying to use it freely, and on the other, it's saying you own the rights, and presumably need negotiated with."</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Next, we wait for a response. Tune in next time when we get to deal with all this. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Adam_Cuerden" title="User:Adam Cuerden">Adam Cuerden</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adam_Cuerden" title="User talk:Adam Cuerden">talk</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T01:10:00.000Z-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T00:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:10, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T01:10:00.000Z-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T00:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T01:10:00.000Z-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T00:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T02:31:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T01:10:00.000Z"></span>Copytheft is going on. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000643581">[6]</a>, for instance, is an A. H. Poole Studio Photographer image, and publication+70 would seem to apply. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.nli.ie/en/udlist/photographs-collections.aspx?article=4ab1d661-275a-4a4b-bd1e-d66d23ce3329">AHP went out of business in 1954</a> and on the face of it any of their photos for which the photographer cannot be identified are public domain. It's a terrible shame to see museums and libraries try to enclose the commons like this; shocking and contemptible behaviour. Per <a href="/wiki/National_Portrait_Gallery_and_Wikimedia_Foundation_copyright_dispute" title="National Portrait Gallery and Wikimedia Foundation copyright dispute">National Portrait Gallery and Wikimedia Foundation copyright dispute</a> I think the best thing to do is act as the law, rather than the misguided library's fantasy, dictates; assess the copyright status from first principles and act accordingly. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tagishsimon" title="User talk:Tagishsimon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T02:31:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T01:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T02:31:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T01:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T02:31:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T01:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:47:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T02:31:00.000Z"></span>Copyright principles are often confusing to me and I typically cave and go for the fair use option loading the image to the local rather than commons site even when I'm pretty sure that it should be public domain. Unless the site I find it on openly states the image is usable or I took it myself, I tend to play for the 'safe' option... Your greater understanding of these issues is enlightening and welcome.<a href="/wiki/User:Antiqueight" title="User:Antiqueight"><em style="font-family: Kristen ITC; color:red"> ☕ Antiqueight</em></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antiqueight" title="User talk:Antiqueight"><sup><small>chatter</small></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:47:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T02:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:47, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:47:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T02:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:47:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T02:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T03:06:00.000Z-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:47:00.000Z"></span>I have become <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://twitter.com/Tagishsimon/status/1068334078590676992">somewhat militant</a> over the years; probably some sort of autistic black & white viewpoint; and not necessarily very productive nor persuasive. As I note in the link, NLI have watermarked the images, as many copythieves do, as an additional fuck-you to the society that feeds and funds them. I find their myopic sense of entitlement triggering & genuinely distressing. But as a practical way forwards, the fair-use route is pragmatic. Now if you'll forgive me, I need to go & howl at the moon. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tagishsimon" title="User talk:Tagishsimon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T03:06:00.000Z-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:06, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T03:06:00.000Z-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T03:06:00.000Z-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="An_odd_question...." data-mw-thread-id="h-An_odd_question....-2018-11-30T00:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-An_odd_question....-2018-11-30T00:49:00.000Z"></span>An odd question....<span data-mw-comment-end="h-An_odd_question....-2018-11-30T00:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T00:49:00.000Z-An_odd_question...."></span>Is it worth seeking out some high-resolution anti-suffragette material? Generally speaking, it's all SO bad that it shouldn't risk people using it to attack women nowadays - for example: </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/RQP8klVJytfwDfLugoQ2pql9Kh8=/fit-in/1072x0/filters:focal(1100x1230:1101x1231)/https://public-media.smithsonianmag.com/filer/c3/d6/c3d6580b-b45b-4cd5-b35c-b47e38c8b900/holding_his_own.jpg">https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/RQP8klVJytfwDfLugoQ2pql9Kh8=/fit-in/1072x0/filters:focal(1100x1230:1101x1231)/https://public-media.smithsonianmag.com/filer/c3/d6/c3d6580b-b45b-4cd5-b35c-b47e38c8b900/holding_his_own.jpg</a> </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/QTZrB1sJgg3d0bSjFzyY7JHRtP4=/fit-in/1072x0/https://public-media.smithsonianmag.com/filer/c8/fd/c8fd1760-2448-4f79-9d34-83bc7d24e751/if_you_love_your_life_1.jpg">https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/QTZrB1sJgg3d0bSjFzyY7JHRtP4=/fit-in/1072x0/https://public-media.smithsonianmag.com/filer/c8/fd/c8fd1760-2448-4f79-9d34-83bc7d24e751/if_you_love_your_life_1.jpg</a> </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/oFSe1omHRut_20b4_CAjzL4hC-k=/fit-in/1072x0/https://public-media.smithsonianmag.com/filer/5e/19/5e193833-6bdd-4528-9946-baaa939c8287/when_women_vote_washing_day.jpg">https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/oFSe1omHRut_20b4_CAjzL4hC-k=/fit-in/1072x0/https://public-media.smithsonianmag.com/filer/5e/19/5e193833-6bdd-4528-9946-baaa939c8287/when_women_vote_washing_day.jpg</a> </p><p>...But is it useful? I can probably find some and get it featured if it's worthwhile having. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Adam_Cuerden" title="User:Adam Cuerden">Adam Cuerden</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adam_Cuerden" title="User talk:Adam Cuerden">talk</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T00:49:00.000Z-An_odd_question...." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T00:49:00.000Z-An_odd_question...."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T00:49:00.000Z-An_odd_question...."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T01:23:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T00:49:00.000Z"></span>Yes. <a href="/wiki/Anti-suffragism" title="Anti-suffragism">Anti-suffragism</a> was (perhaps is, idk) a thing, as is <a href="/wiki/Propaganda" title="Propaganda">propaganda</a> and we should document these as fully as we can, including having well-developed and comprehensively populated commons directories of media. I guess that does not answer the implicit question: how obnoxious must material be before we refuse to deal with it; tbh the three you feature look like snapshots from my household - they're rather sweet & far from whatever the cut-off should be. They remind me of nothing so much as <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1062731138031120384">this</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tagishsimon" title="User talk:Tagishsimon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T01:23:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T00:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:23, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T01:23:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T00:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T01:23:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T00:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T01:55:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T01:23:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a>:</span> Aye. Those are ones where any malice is long gone. One could also make a case for something like <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://collections.museumoflondon.org.uk/online/object/289813.html">[7]</a>, on the other extreme, where the crudity of the malice leave only a bad taste.</dd> <dd>But we don't want to produce something only for it to be grabbed by the so-called "Men's Rights Activists", and used to attack women, so there's somewhere in between the mostly harmless and the so-horrible-noone-would-dare-connect-themselves-with-it that we should avoid over-promoting. The front page of Wikipedia is not a place to hurt women's rights. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Adam_Cuerden" title="User:Adam Cuerden">Adam Cuerden</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adam_Cuerden" title="User talk:Adam Cuerden">talk</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T01:55:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T01:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T01:55:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T01:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T01:55:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T01:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:07:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T01:55:00.000Z"></span>We're rather hoping to reenact the bar shown <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://theappendix.net/posts/2014/02/why-not-go-to-the-limit">here</a> sometime next year..<a href="/wiki/User:Antiqueight" title="User:Antiqueight"><em style="font-family: Kristen ITC; color:red"> ☕ Antiqueight</em></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antiqueight" title="User talk:Antiqueight"><sup><small>chatter</small></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:07:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T01:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:07, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:07:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T01:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:07:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T01:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T05:42:00.000Z-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:07:00.000Z"></span>Ooh, now, that would be a fun one to do. There a good article for it? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Adam_Cuerden" title="User:Adam Cuerden">Adam Cuerden</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adam_Cuerden" title="User talk:Adam Cuerden">talk</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T05:42:00.000Z-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:42, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T05:42:00.000Z-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T05:42:00.000Z-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T02:13:00.000Z-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:07:00.000Z"></span>Wholehearted support for Edwardian dress, cigarette holders and a generally superior bearing being the uniform of WiR from this quarter.</dd> <dd>Yes, Adam; we'd want considerable circumspection and context for an image which we sought to promote to the front page; and ideally we'd want good metadata and context for images on commons. I'm less convinced that we want our freedom of movement affected by MRAs or by concern about the use they might make of material we handle. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tagishsimon" title="User talk:Tagishsimon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T02:13:00.000Z-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:13, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T02:13:00.000Z-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T02:13:00.000Z-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T02:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T11:47:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T02:13:00.000Z"></span>All these scandalous women smoking and gambling in public, yet granny in the back with a pint in her pocket was the only one to think they could do it without wearing a corset. <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T11:47:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T02:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:47, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T11:47:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T02:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T11:47:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T02:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2018-11-30T12:56:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T11:47:00.000Z"></span>OMG scroll down to the bottom of the page of the link <a href="/wiki/User:Antiqueight" title="User:Antiqueight">Antiqueight</a> posted for an 1895 cartoon showing a predicted society wedding announcement for 2001. Carton is of a tall, strong woman marrying a cringing, small man. Details include his hand over her arm rather than the traditional opposite. The caption reads "In The Year 2001: A brilliant society wedding took place last night at Grace Church, the contracting parties being Miss Helen Strongmind, the well-known young stock broker of Wall Street, and Mr. Percy Lightweight, the beautiful and fascinating brunette whose come-out ball was such a society event of the early season. The bridesmen were the most beautiful that have been seen at any wedding this year. They were Clarence Tulip, Chauncey Maybud, and Willie Highfly, all of whom were chums of the groom at Madame Devere’s Seminary for Young Men. The bridegroom was attired in a handsome close-fitting silk dress, which showed to advantage the lines of his svelte form, and he held in his hands a magnificent bunch of lilies. The officiating minister was the Rev. Mary Walker." I think this one is practically perfect -- neither ugly nor simply silly, just expresses all the fear that if women get the vote, they'll treat men the way men have always treated women, horrors! Can someone put that cartoon into Commons? I can't figure out how to get to the high-res version. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Valereee-2018-11-30T12:56:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T11:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:56, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2018-11-30T12:56:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T11:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2018-11-30T12:56:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T11:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T13:03:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-30T12:56:00.000Z"></span>And verily it came to pass...<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=Cara+Delevingne+-+Princess+Eugenie+wedding">https://www.google.com/search?q=Cara+Delevingne+-+Princess+Eugenie+wedding</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Tagishsimon" title="User:Tagishsimon">Tagishsimon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tagishsimon" title="User talk:Tagishsimon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T13:03:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-30T12:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:03, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T13:03:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-30T12:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T13:03:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-30T12:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:28:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T13:03:00.000Z"></span>hahahahaha <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:28:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T13:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:28:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T13:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:28:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T13:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T22:12:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:28:00.000Z"></span>Imagine though if Robbie Williams had shown up in Liv Tyler's outfit what talk there would have been!! We still have a ways to go!<a href="/wiki/User:Antiqueight" title="User:Antiqueight"><em style="font-family: Kristen ITC; color:red"> ☕ Antiqueight</em></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antiqueight" title="User talk:Antiqueight"><sup><small>chatter</small></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T22:12:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T22:12:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Antiqueight-2018-11-30T22:12:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:28:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T13:29:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:28:00.000Z"></span>Geeeeeeezus. <i>There's a lot of these.</i> Working on transferring everything with a verifiable date to Commons. But this may take a while. <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T13:29:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T13:29:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T13:29:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:43:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T13:29:00.000Z"></span>I think I got that one: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Standard18950427int08-large.jpg">[8]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:43:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T13:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:43:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T13:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:43:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T13:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T14:24:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:43:00.000Z"></span>I'm working on <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://sites.uni.edu/palczews/NEW%20postcard%20webpage/Postcard%20index.html">this archive</a>. So, not trying to discourage anybody from helping, but if anyone wants to, please start at the bottom of the page and work up, and I'll continue from the top. Don't want to put a bunch of effort into queueing up a bunch of uploads only to have them fail as duplicates (or have them succeed only to need deletion). See also <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Palczewski_Suffrage_Postcard_Archive" class="extiw" title="c:Category:Palczewski Suffrage Postcard Archive">c:Category:Palczewski Suffrage Postcard Archive</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T14:24:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:24, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T14:24:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T14:24:00.000Z-Valereee-2018-11-30T13:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Galobtter-2018-11-30T14:00:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T13:03:00.000Z"></span>Ha! That's a dapper look. <a href="/wiki/User:Galobtter" title="User:Galobtter">Galobtter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Galobtter" title="User talk:Galobtter">pingó mió</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Galobtter-2018-11-30T14:00:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T13:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Galobtter-2018-11-30T14:00:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T13:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Galobtter-2018-11-30T14:00:00.000Z-Tagishsimon-2018-11-30T13:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T21:18:00.000Z-An_odd_question...."></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248256098">@media all and (max-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery{width:100%!important}}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery{display:table}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery-default{background:transparent;margin-top:4px}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery-center{margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery-left{float:left}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery-right{float:right}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery-none{float:none}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery-collapsible{width:100%}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .title,.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .main,.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .footer{display:table-row}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .title>div{display:table-cell;padding:0 4px 4px;text-align:center;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .main>div{display:table-cell}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .gallery{line-height:1.35em}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .footer>div{display:table-cell;padding:4px;text-align:right;font-size:85%;line-height:1em}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .title>div *,.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .footer>div *{overflow:visible}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .gallerybox img{background:none!important}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .bordered-images .thumb img{border:solid var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0)1px}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .whitebg .thumb{background:var(--background-color-base,#fff)!important}</style><div class="mod-gallery mod-gallery-default mod-gallery-center"><div class="main"><div><ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional nochecker bordered-images whitebg"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 215px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 210px; height: 210px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Why_not_go_the_limit%3F_-_Harry_Grant_Dart._LCCN2011647291.tif" class="mw-file-description" title="All the pixels but poor color and dividing line"><img alt="All the pixels but poor color and dividing line" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Why_not_go_the_limit%3F_-_Harry_Grant_Dart._LCCN2011647291.tif/lossy-page1-180px-Why_not_go_the_limit%3F_-_Harry_Grant_Dart._LCCN2011647291.tif.jpg" decoding="async" width="180" height="118" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Why_not_go_the_limit%3F_-_Harry_Grant_Dart._LCCN2011647291.tif/lossy-page1-270px-Why_not_go_the_limit%3F_-_Harry_Grant_Dart._LCCN2011647291.tif.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Why_not_go_the_limit%3F_-_Harry_Grant_Dart._LCCN2011647291.tif/lossy-page1-360px-Why_not_go_the_limit%3F_-_Harry_Grant_Dart._LCCN2011647291.tif.jpg 2x" data-file-width="8698" data-file-height="5681"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">All the pixels but poor color and dividing line</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 215px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 210px; height: 210px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Why_Not_Go_the_Limit.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Most of the pixels, better color but still unrepaired dividing line"><img alt="Most of the pixels, better color but still unrepaired dividing line" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Why_Not_Go_the_Limit.jpg/180px-Why_Not_Go_the_Limit.jpg" decoding="async" width="180" height="114" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Why_Not_Go_the_Limit.jpg/270px-Why_Not_Go_the_Limit.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Why_Not_Go_the_Limit.jpg/360px-Why_Not_Go_the_Limit.jpg 2x" data-file-width="7223" data-file-height="4585"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">Most of the pixels, better color but still unrepaired dividing line</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 215px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 210px; height: 210px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Punch_poster-large.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Some of the pixels but with better color and the dividing line mostly repaired"><img alt="Some of the pixels but with better color and the dividing line mostly repaired" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Punch_poster-large.jpg/180px-Punch_poster-large.jpg" decoding="async" width="180" height="107" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Punch_poster-large.jpg/270px-Punch_poster-large.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Punch_poster-large.jpg/360px-Punch_poster-large.jpg 2x" data-file-width="960" data-file-height="572"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">Some of the pixels but with better color and the dividing line mostly repaired</div> </li> </ul></div></div></div> <ul><li>Good news everyone. <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Palczewski_Suffrage_Postcard_Archive" class="extiw" title="c:Category:Palczewski Suffrage Postcard Archive">c:Category:Palczewski Suffrage Postcard Archive</a> now has >100 postcards for all your suffrage needs. Also we have the above with regard to the bar scene. Third option probably better for thumbnails. Second probably better if anyone is looking to repair the dividing line distortions and go for an FA on it for the main page day. <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T21:18:00.000Z-An_odd_question...." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T21:18:00.000Z-An_odd_question...."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T21:18:00.000Z-An_odd_question...."></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnbod-2018-11-30T21:42:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T21:18:00.000Z"></span>Nah, the 2nd is not good. No 1 best for FP, imo. Great image anyway. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnbod" title="User:Johnbod">Johnbod</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnbod" title="User talk:Johnbod">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Johnbod-2018-11-30T21:42:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T21:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnbod-2018-11-30T21:42:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T21:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnbod-2018-11-30T21:42:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-11-30T21:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T23:07:00.000Z-Johnbod-2018-11-30T21:42:00.000Z"></span>I've repaired a few of these before. Trust me on this one:</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-packed"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 462.66666666667px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 460.66666666667px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Joseph_Ferdinand_Keppler_-_The_Pirate_Publisher_-_Puck_Magazine_-_Original_LoC_scan.tif" class="mw-file-description" title="Before"><img alt="Before" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Joseph_Ferdinand_Keppler_-_The_Pirate_Publisher_-_Puck_Magazine_-_Original_LoC_scan.tif/lossy-page1-691px-Joseph_Ferdinand_Keppler_-_The_Pirate_Publisher_-_Puck_Magazine_-_Original_LoC_scan.tif.jpg" decoding="async" width="461" height="300" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Joseph_Ferdinand_Keppler_-_The_Pirate_Publisher_-_Puck_Magazine_-_Original_LoC_scan.tif/lossy-page1-1036px-Joseph_Ferdinand_Keppler_-_The_Pirate_Publisher_-_Puck_Magazine_-_Original_LoC_scan.tif.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Joseph_Ferdinand_Keppler_-_The_Pirate_Publisher_-_Puck_Magazine_-_Original_LoC_scan.tif/lossy-page1-1381px-Joseph_Ferdinand_Keppler_-_The_Pirate_Publisher_-_Puck_Magazine_-_Original_LoC_scan.tif.jpg 2x" data-file-width="8720" data-file-height="5682"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">Before</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 454px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 452px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Joseph_Ferdinand_Keppler_-_The_Pirate_Publisher_-_Puck_Magazine_-_Restoration_by_Adam_Cuerden.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="After"><img alt="After" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Joseph_Ferdinand_Keppler_-_The_Pirate_Publisher_-_Puck_Magazine_-_Restoration_by_Adam_Cuerden.jpg/678px-Joseph_Ferdinand_Keppler_-_The_Pirate_Publisher_-_Puck_Magazine_-_Restoration_by_Adam_Cuerden.jpg" decoding="async" width="452" height="300" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Joseph_Ferdinand_Keppler_-_The_Pirate_Publisher_-_Puck_Magazine_-_Restoration_by_Adam_Cuerden.jpg/1017px-Joseph_Ferdinand_Keppler_-_The_Pirate_Publisher_-_Puck_Magazine_-_Restoration_by_Adam_Cuerden.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Joseph_Ferdinand_Keppler_-_The_Pirate_Publisher_-_Puck_Magazine_-_Restoration_by_Adam_Cuerden.jpg/1356px-Joseph_Ferdinand_Keppler_-_The_Pirate_Publisher_-_Puck_Magazine_-_Restoration_by_Adam_Cuerden.jpg 2x" data-file-width="7780" data-file-height="5164"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">After</div> </li> </ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>This one is much less egregious, so should be pretty easy. Just note down any articles you use it in, so I can find them when the restoration's done, since it's split over three. Also, I call the one next to the fudge and almonds if we re-enact this. Because yum. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Adam_Cuerden" title="User:Adam Cuerden">Adam Cuerden</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adam_Cuerden" title="User talk:Adam Cuerden">talk</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T23:07:00.000Z-Johnbod-2018-11-30T21:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:07, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T23:07:00.000Z-Johnbod-2018-11-30T21:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T23:07:00.000Z-Johnbod-2018-11-30T21:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-12-01T02:29:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T23:07:00.000Z"></span>As someone who has stumbled into my FPs mostly....how the shit? That's impressive. <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-GreenMeansGo-2018-12-01T02:29:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T23:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:29, 1 December 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-12-01T02:29:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T23:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-12-01T02:29:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-11-30T23:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-12-01T05:07:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-12-01T02:29:00.000Z"></span>I've been doing it for years, in large amounts. The secret, by the way, is perspective fixes on individual parts of the folded image, adding the space needed to stretch it out while doing so, then going through and fixing the joins. (And, actually, this seems like a good comment for the new signature I was working on earlier...) <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Adam_Cuerden" title="User:Adam Cuerden">Adam Cuerden</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adam_Cuerden" title="User talk:Adam Cuerden">talk</a>)</sup><sub>Has about 8.8% of all <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FP">FPs</a></sub></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-12-01T05:07:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-12-01T02:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:07, 1 December 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-12-01T05:07:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-12-01T02:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adam_Cuerden-2018-12-01T05:07:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-12-01T02:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-2018-12-01T08:26:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-12-01T05:07:00.000Z"></span>Amazingly good work.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-Ipigott-2018-12-01T08:26:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-12-01T05:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:26, 1 December 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-2018-12-01T08:26:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-12-01T05:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-2018-12-01T08:26:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2018-12-01T05:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Another_source_of_redirects_that_could_be_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Another_source_of_redirects_that_could_be_articles-2018-12-01T08:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Another_source_of_redirects_that_could_be_articles-2018-12-01T08:38:00.000Z"></span>Another source of redirects that could be articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Another_source_of_redirects_that_could_be_articles-2018-12-01T08:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-2018-12-01T08:38:00.000Z-Another_source_of_redirects_that_could_be_articles"></span>See <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:VIAF_not_on_Wikidata&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:VIAF not on Wikidata (page does not exist)">Category:VIAF not on Wikidata</a>. A fair number of these are redirects (because Wikidata does not allow redirects to have their own entries) and a fair number of the redirects are for potentially-notable women associated with someone or something else. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52#c-David_Eppstein-2018-12-01T08:38:00.000Z-Another_source_of_redirects_that_could_be_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:38, 1 December 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-2018-12-01T08:38:00.000Z-Another_source_of_redirects_that_could_be_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-2018-12-01T08:38:00.000Z-Another_source_of_redirects_that_could_be_articles"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52&oldid=1212163624">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_52&oldid=1212163624</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 6 March 2024, at 12:15<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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