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大昔には「熊」を意味する単語もあったけど、「名前を呼ぶと熊を呼び寄せてしまう」という信仰があり、その単語は<span class="f17 c01">誰も思い出せないくらい使われなくなり、ついには忘れ去られてしまったらしい。おとぎ話みたいだな。</span> <a href="https://t.co/ExkgPdSw5j" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pic.twitter.com/ExkgPdSw5j</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/katomani/status/1482566144259096577" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-01-16 13:11:28</a> </span> </span> <div class="list_photo_box"> <figure class='list_photo'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="5" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="6" style="height: 300px; width: 500px;"/> </figure> </div> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='1' data-id='1482567626979045376'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/katomani' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="4" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">加藤マニ</strong> <span class="status_name">@katomani</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>ロシア語には「熊」という意味の単語はないけれど、「メドヴェーチ（Медведь）」という言葉があって、意味は「蜂蜜をたべるもの」なんだけど、この言葉が「熊」という意味も持ってるらしい。歪曲的に表現することで熊を呼び寄せないようにしてるみたいだ。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/katomani/status/1482567626979045376" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-01-16 13:17:21</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='2' data-id='1571511249212698624'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/butachan_emuson' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="7" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">emuson（えむそん）</strong> <span class="status_name">@butachan_emuson</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>これ気になって大学助教授やってるロシア人の友達に聞いたら一ヶ月調べてくれて、まさに古い語で「Бер」と言う。（bearと同源？） <span class="f17 c01">現在は熊の巣穴を指す「Берлога」など熊に関する言葉に残っている。でも殆どのロシア人は「Бер」だと通じなくて一般的に「медведь」じゃないと通じないという🧸</span> <a href="https://t.co/G6tUdOBzub" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">twitter.com/katomani/statu…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/butachan_emuson/status/1571511249212698624" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-09-18 23:47:33</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='3' data-id='1571771787356274691'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/butachan_emuson' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="7" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">emuson（えむそん）</strong> <span class="status_name">@butachan_emuson</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><span class="f17 c01">これ面白かったのは元ツイートの「ロシア語には熊という単語が存在しない」って話自体、当のロシア人が知らなかった事。</span>その友人達も「え？熊ってмедведьじゃないの？」って感じだったという。友人が聞いたロシア人全員が『何で日本人がそんな事知ってるんだ』と不思議がっていたという。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/butachan_emuson/status/1571771787356274691" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-09-19 17:02:50</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='4' data-id='1487784796843433985'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/oldmanequine1' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="8" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">はにーぺろたん</strong> <span class="status_name">@oldmanequine1</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/katomani" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@katomani</a> それでは研究者は困るだろうと思い、調べたら、ヒグマ(Ursus arctos)はбурый медведь、ツキノワグマ(Ursus thibetanus)はГималайский медведь、ホッキョクグマ(Ursus maritimus)はбе́лый медве́дь 。やはり「クマ」はмедведьでは？</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/oldmanequine1/status/1487784796843433985" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-01-30 22:48:31</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='5' data-id='1490245707722551302'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/katomani' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="4" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">加藤マニ</strong> <span class="status_name">@katomani</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/oldmanequine1" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@oldmanequine1</a> はい！<span class="f17 c01">学術的にも一般的にもメドヴェーチ(медведь)なんですが、これがどうも「熊」という単語ではなく「蜂蜜を食べるもの」っていう歪曲表現らしいです。</span>そして<span class="f13 c16">メドヴェーチすらも発語を避ける人が既にいる</span>らしく、そうした人はミハイルとかミーシャとか人の名前をつけて呼んだりもするそうです。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/katomani/status/1490245707722551302" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-02-06 17:47:18</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='6' data-id='1572177131094024192'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/ursus21627082' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="9" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">ursus</strong> <span class="status_name">@ursus21627082</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><span class="f17 c01">古スラブ語から「熊」を直接意味する語が消えて「蜂蜜を食べる者」系の単語メドヴェーヂ（Медведи）とかになっていった</span>のみならず、ゲルマン系のbearとかも「茶色のあいつ」的な言葉で（brownと近い）、やはり「熊」という直接の言葉は忌避されたと考えられている。 <a href="https://t.co/nmEMkjjoB2" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">twitter.com/butachan_emuso…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/ursus21627082/status/1572177131094024192" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-09-20 19:53:32</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='7' data-id='1487795444986130435'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/Siberian_644' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="10" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">SF_Siberian</strong> <span class="status_name">@Siberian_644</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/katomani" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@katomani</a> Медведь = ベア Мед - ハニー + Ведать (古代ロシア語) - 知る = 彼はハニーの居場所を知っている</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/Siberian_644/status/1487795444986130435" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-01-30 23:30:50</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='8' data-id='1572052649696194560'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/Xenia_OTE' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="11" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">Xenia@OTE</strong> <span class="status_name">@Xenia_OTE</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/Siberian_644" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@Siberian_644</a> <a href="https://x.com/katomani" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@katomani</a> <span class="f17 c01">古代ロシア語って素敵ですね。</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/Xenia_OTE/status/1572052649696194560" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-09-20 11:38:53</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='9' data-id='1572111439707648001'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/manulmanulmanul' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="12" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">manul</strong> <span class="status_name">@manulmanulmanul</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/butachan_emuson" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@butachan_emuson</a> これ私のロシア人の母親(ソ連教育)は普通に知ってて教えてくれたので、そのご友人の年齢は知らないんですけど、ソ連後に教育の方針がガラッと変わったのと関係あるかなぁとボンヤリ思いました</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/manulmanulmanul/status/1572111439707648001" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-09-20 15:32:30</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='10' data-id='1572130392660123648'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/butachan_emuson' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="7" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">emuson（えむそん）</strong> <span class="status_name">@butachan_emuson</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/manulmanulmanul" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@manulmanulmanul</a> その友人は20代ですが聞いたことなかったそうです。ソ連時代とで教育の変化があったら面白いですね！</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/butachan_emuson/status/1572130392660123648" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-09-20 16:47:49</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='11' data-id='1572066306341613568'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/YOSHII3939' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="13" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">Yosy</strong> <span class="status_name">@YOSHII3939</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/butachan_emuson" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@butachan_emuson</a> <span class="f17 c01">ゴキブリという単語すら嫌われて黒くて速いあいつみたいな言葉だけが残ったとかそんな感じだろうか</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/YOSHII3939/status/1572066306341613568" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-09-20 12:33:09</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='12' data-id='1572093835160989698'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/butachan_emuson' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="7" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">emuson（えむそん）</strong> <span class="status_name">@butachan_emuson</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/YOSHII3939" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@YOSHII3939</a> 今で言うと「G」とか「黒いの」そんな感じでしょうね。大昔は「アクタムシ」とか「油虫」などと呼ばれていて今の名前元になった御器囓（ゴキカブリ）も昔の名前で呼びたくなかったから変転していったのかもしれません。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/butachan_emuson/status/1572093835160989698" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-09-20 14:22:33</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='13' data-id='1482957529835778048'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/zOJHraRoBORtYkp' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="14" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">こーどりー</strong> <span class="status_name">@zOJHraRoBORtYkp</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/katomani" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@katomani</a> ほほぅ、そうなのですか。。勉強になります。<span class="f17 c01">ほんとにおとぎ話みたいですね🐻</span>もともとは何と呼ばれていたのでしょうね。忘れ去られてしまったなんて…😆😆</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/zOJHraRoBORtYkp/status/1482957529835778048" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-01-17 15:06:41</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='14' data-id='1572179478327197696'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/Cristoforou' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="15" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">saebou</strong> <span class="status_name">@Cristoforou</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>よくわからなくなってきたんですけど、そういう言語で「熊」を直接意味するもともとの言葉っていうのは何なんでしょうか…？「茶色なんとか」とか「蜂蜜なんとか」も、ずっと使っていれば「熊」を直接意味する言葉になるのでは…？ <a href="https://t.co/D2SAAtRvc2" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">twitter.com/ursus21627082/…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/Cristoforou/status/1572179478327197696" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-09-20 20:02:51</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='15' data-id='1572180037440503808'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/ursus21627082' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="9" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">ursus</strong> <span class="status_name">@ursus21627082</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>前半の部分は<span class="f20 c01">「もうわからない」</span>、後半の部分は、それはそうですね、というのが今お答えできるところでしょうか… <a href="https://t.co/7oCSefxpOj" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">twitter.com/Cristoforou/st…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/ursus21627082/status/1572180037440503808" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-09-20 20:05:05</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='16' data-id='1486265574090895363'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/katomani' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="4" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">加藤マニ</strong> <span class="status_name">@katomani</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/zOJHraRoBORtYkp" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@zOJHraRoBORtYkp</a> 昔のは<span class="f20 c01">本当にわからない</span>のですが、<span class="f13 c16">じょじょにメドヴェーチすら(熊という意味をもちはじめたので)使わない人もいるみたいです</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/katomani/status/1486265574090895363" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-01-26 18:11:40</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='17' data-id='1487781317655908358'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/qlocka' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="16" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">浜尻六彁 🍄🌪️ はまじりろっか</strong> <span class="status_name">@qlocka</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><span class="f17 c01">熊をクマと呼ばない習慣は他の言語にもみられるよ。</span> ロマンス系のフランス語ours・イタリア語orso・ラテン語ursusなどは「破壊者」という語源。ゲルマン系ではそれをさらに「茶色い奴」という語で上書きして、英語bear・ドイツ語Bär・オランダ語beerになった（「野獣」だとする語源説もある） <a href="https://t.co/dloS0o4500" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">twitter.com/katomani/statu…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/qlocka/status/1487781317655908358" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-01-30 22:34:42</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='18' data-id='1572219633410908162'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/JI1ARI' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="17" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">ｱﾏﾁｭｱﾑｾﾝJI1ARIじんざい</strong> <span class="status_name">@JI1ARI</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>そう言われると日本語の「くま」も、「暗いもの」という意味で熊そのものじゃない <a href="https://t.co/wNMxCrADY0" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">twitter.com/ursus21627082/…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/JI1ARI/status/1572219633410908162" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-09-20 22:42:25</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='19' data-id='1572204258992488448'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/kurumatou' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="18" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">車糖🏳️‍🌈</strong> <span class="status_name">@kurumatou</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>日本の古語の「くま」に「隅」や「暗い」「黒い」という意味があるのにちょっとだけ似てる。これを聞いたとき、山の中で目の隅で茂みにいるクマを見つけた人の気持ちになったのだ…。 <a href="https://t.co/ROqPjXQ7Dx" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">twitter.com/ursus21627082/…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/kurumatou/status/1572204258992488448" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2022-09-20 21:41:20</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='20' data-id='1572191516722106368'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/Exodus_Solidus' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="19" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">六線沢(非営利)</strong> <span class="status_name">@Exodus_Solidus</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><span class="f17 c01">日本語の「くま」も、もうかなりそれより先がたどれなくなってるべな名詞ってそんなもんだべな</span> 在来の動植物の名が一番そうなるべ <a href="https://t.co/bZI3Em11cb" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">twitter.com/Cristoforou/st…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/Exodus_Solidus/status/1572191516722106368" 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