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class="vector-toc-numb">2.1</span> <span>Alasan-alasan lain</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Alasan-alasan_lain-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Captains" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Captains"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3</span> <span>Captains</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 ulasan</span> <ul id="toc-Captains-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Note_about_MH17_preliminary_report" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Note_about_MH17_preliminary_report"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4</span> <span>Note about MH17 preliminary report</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 ulasan</span> <ul id="toc-Note_about_MH17_preliminary_report-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Archive_of_DSB_materials" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Archive_of_DSB_materials"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Archive of DSB materials</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 ulasan</span> <ul id="toc-Archive_of_DSB_materials-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div class="mw-content-container"> <main id="content" class="mw-body"> <header class="mw-body-header vector-page-titlebar"> <nav aria-label="Kandungan" class="vector-toc-landmark"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-titlebar-toc vector-button-flush-left" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Togol isi kandungan" > <label id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-label" for="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only " aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-listBullet mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-listBullet"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Togol isi kandungan</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-unpinned-container" class="vector-unpinned-container"> </div> </div> </div> </nav> <h1 id="firstHeading" class="firstHeading mw-first-heading"><span class="mw-page-title-namespace">Perbincangan</span><span class="mw-page-title-separator">:</span><span class="mw-page-title-main">Penerbangan 17 Penerbangan Malaysia</span></h1> <div id="p-lang-btn" class="vector-dropdown mw-portlet 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class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="p-variants" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-variants emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> <div id="right-navigation" class="vector-collapsible"> <nav aria-label="Rupa"> <div id="p-views" class="vector-menu vector-menu-tabs mw-portlet mw-portlet-views" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-view" class="selected vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia"><span>Baca</span></a></li><li id="ca-edit" class="istalk vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia&action=edit" title="Sunting kod sumber untuk laman ini [e]" accesskey="e"><span>Sunting sumber</span></a></li><li id="ca-addsection" class="vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia&action=edit&section=new" title="Buka bahagian baru [+]" accesskey="+"><span>Tambah topik</span></a></li><li id="ca-history" class="vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia&action=history" title="Semakan terdahulu bagi laman ini [h]" accesskey="h"><span>Lihat sejarah</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> <nav class="vector-page-tools-landmark" aria-label="Alatan laman"> <div id="vector-page-tools-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-tools-dropdown" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-page-tools-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-page-tools-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Peralatan" > <label id="vector-page-tools-dropdown-label" for="vector-page-tools-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button 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data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-page-tools.unpin">sorokkan</button> </div> <div id="p-cactions" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-cactions emptyPortlet vector-has-collapsible-items" title="Lagi pilihan" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Tindakan </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-more-view" class="selected vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia"><span>Baca</span></a></li><li id="ca-more-edit" class="istalk vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia&action=edit" title="Sunting kod sumber untuk laman ini [e]" accesskey="e"><span>Sunting sumber</span></a></li><li id="ca-more-addsection" class="vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia&action=edit&section=new"><span>Tambah topik</span></a></li><li id="ca-more-history" class="vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia&action=history"><span>Lihat sejarah</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-tb" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-tb" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Umum </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="t-whatlinkshere" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Khas:Pautan_ke_sini/Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia" title="Senarai semua laman wiki yang mengandungi pautan ke laman ini [j]" accesskey="j"><span>Pautan ke laman ini</span></a></li><li id="t-recentchangeslinked" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Khas:Perubahan_berkaitan/Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia" rel="nofollow" title="Perubahan terkini bagi laman yang dipaut dari laman ini [k]" accesskey="k"><span>Perubahan berkaitan</span></a></li><li id="t-upload" class="mw-list-item"><a href="//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard?uselang=ms" title="Muat naik fail [u]" accesskey="u"><span>Muat naik fail</span></a></li><li id="t-specialpages" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Khas:Laman_khas" title="Senarai semua laman khas [q]" accesskey="q"><span>Laman khas</span></a></li><li id="t-permalink" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia&oldid=3924198" title="Pautan kekal ke semakan laman ini"><span>Pautan kekal</span></a></li><li id="t-info" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia&action=info" title="Maklumat lanjut mengenai laman ini"><span>Maklumat laman</span></a></li><li id="t-urlshortener" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Khas:UrlShortener&url=https%3A%2F%2Fms.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPerbincangan%3APenerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia"><span>Dapatkan URL pendek</span></a></li><li id="t-urlshortener-qrcode" 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title="Versi boleh cetak bagi laman ini [p]" accesskey="p"><span>Versi boleh cetak</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-wikibase-otherprojects" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-wikibase-otherprojects emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Dalam projek lain </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vector-column-end"> <div class="vector-sticky-pinned-container"> <nav class="vector-page-tools-landmark" aria-label="Alatan laman"> <div id="vector-page-tools-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> </div> </nav> <nav class="vector-appearance-landmark" aria-label="Penampilan"> <div id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> <div id="vector-appearance" class="vector-appearance vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-appearance-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-pinned" data-feature-name="appearance-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-appearance" data-pinned-container-id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" data-unpinned-container-id="vector-appearance-unpinned-container" > <div class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Penampilan</div> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.pin">alih ke bar sisi</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.unpin">sorokkan</button> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div id="bodyContent" class="vector-body" aria-labelledby="firstHeading" data-mw-ve-target-container> <div class="vector-body-before-content"> <div class="mw-indicators"> </div> <div id="siteSub" class="noprint">Daripada Wikipedia, ensiklopedia bebas.</div> </div> <div id="contentSub"><div id="mw-content-subtitle"></div></div> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-talkpageheader"> </div><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="ms" dir="ltr"><meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Senarai_penumpang_mengikut_negara" data-mw-thread-id="h-Senarai_penumpang_mengikut_negara-2014-07-19T06:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Senarai_penumpang_mengikut_negara-2014-07-19T06:37:00.000Z"></span>Senarai penumpang mengikut negara<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Senarai_penumpang_mengikut_negara-2014-07-19T06:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia&action=edit&section=1" title="Sunting kod sumber bahagian: Senarai penumpang mengikut negara"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SyahirSQRT2-2014-07-19T06:37:00.000Z-Senarai_penumpang_mengikut_negara"></span>Macam mana kita nak senaraikan penumpang yang ada dua kewarganegaraan? </p><p>Setakat Sabtu, 11:40 pagi, Malaysia Airlines dah keluarkan senarai ni: </p> <table class="sortable wikitable" style="font-size:85%;"> <caption>Senarai penumpang mengikut kewarganegaraan </caption> <tbody><tr> <th>Negara</th> <th data-sort-type="number">Nombor </th></tr> <tr> <td><span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg/23px-Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg/35px-Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg/45px-Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="900" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> </span><a href="/wiki/Belanda" title="Belanda">Belanda</a></td> <td>192 (termasuk 1 Belanda/US) </td></tr> <tr> <td><span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Flag_of_Malaysia.svg/23px-Flag_of_Malaysia.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Flag_of_Malaysia.svg/35px-Flag_of_Malaysia.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Flag_of_Malaysia.svg/46px-Flag_of_Malaysia.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1200" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> </span><a href="/wiki/Malaysia" title="Malaysia">Malaysia</a></td> <td>44 (termasuk 15 krew dan 2 kanak-kanak) </td></tr> <tr> <td><span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Flag_of_Australia.svg/23px-Flag_of_Australia.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Flag_of_Australia.svg/35px-Flag_of_Australia.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Flag_of_Australia.svg/46px-Flag_of_Australia.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1280" data-file-height="640"/></span></span> </span><a href="/wiki/Australia" title="Australia">Australia</a></td> <td>27 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Flag_of_Indonesia.svg/23px-Flag_of_Indonesia.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Flag_of_Indonesia.svg/35px-Flag_of_Indonesia.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Flag_of_Indonesia.svg/45px-Flag_of_Indonesia.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="900" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> </span><a href="/wiki/Indonesia" title="Indonesia">Indonesia</a></td> <td>12 (termasuk 1 kanak-kanak) </td></tr> <tr> <td><span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom_%281-2%29.svg/23px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom_%281-2%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom_%281-2%29.svg/35px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom_%281-2%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom_%281-2%29.svg/46px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom_%281-2%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1200" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> </span><a href="/wiki/United_Kingdom" title="United Kingdom">United Kingdom</a></td> <td>10 (termasuk 1 UK/Afrika Selatan) </td></tr> <tr> <td><span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Flag_of_Germany.svg/23px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="14" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Flag_of_Germany.svg/35px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Flag_of_Germany.svg/46px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1000" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> </span><a href="/wiki/Jerman" title="Jerman">Jerman</a></td> <td>4 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Flag_of_Belgium_%28civil%29.svg/23px-Flag_of_Belgium_%28civil%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Flag_of_Belgium_%28civil%29.svg/35px-Flag_of_Belgium_%28civil%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Flag_of_Belgium_%28civil%29.svg/45px-Flag_of_Belgium_%28civil%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="900" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> </span><a href="/wiki/Belgium" title="Belgium">Belgium</a></td> <td>4 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Flag_of_the_Philippines.svg/23px-Flag_of_the_Philippines.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Flag_of_the_Philippines.svg/35px-Flag_of_the_Philippines.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Flag_of_the_Philippines.svg/46px-Flag_of_the_Philippines.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1200" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> </span><a href="/wiki/Filipina" title="Filipina">Filipina</a></td> <td>3 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg/23px-Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg/35px-Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg/46px-Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1200" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> </span><a href="/wiki/Kanada" title="Kanada">Kanada</a></td> <td>1 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg/23px-Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg/35px-Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg/46px-Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1200" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> </span><a href="/wiki/New_Zealand" title="New Zealand">New Zealand</a></td> <td>1 </td></tr> <tr class="sortbottom"> <td><b>Jumlah</b></td> <td><b>298</b> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>(Rujukan: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/mh17.html">Saturday, July 19, 11:40 AM GMT +0800 Media Statement 6: MH17 Incident</a>) </p><p><b><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:SyahirSQRT2" title="Pengguna:SyahirSQRT2"><font color="#1BA014">Syahir</font></a><a href="/wiki/Punca_kuasa_dua_2" class="mw-redirect" title="Punca kuasa dua 2"><font color="#1BA014">√2</font></a></b> <sub>(<a href="/wiki/Perbincangan_pengguna:SyahirSQRT2" title="Perbincangan pengguna:SyahirSQRT2">b</a> • <a href="/wiki/Khas:Sumbangan/SyahirSQRT2" title="Khas:Sumbangan/SyahirSQRT2">s</a>)</sub> <a href="https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia#c-SyahirSQRT2-2014-07-19T06:37:00.000Z-Senarai_penumpang_mengikut_negara" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:37, 19 Julai 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SyahirSQRT2-2014-07-19T06:37:00.000Z-Senarai_penumpang_mengikut_negara"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">balas</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SyahirSQRT2-2014-07-19T06:37:00.000Z-Senarai_penumpang_mengikut_negara"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aurora-2014-07-19T07:48:00.000Z-SyahirSQRT2-2014-07-19T06:37:00.000Z"></span>Buat macam en.wiki buat shj. Jadi nota. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Aurora" title="Pengguna:Aurora">...Aurora...</a> (<a href="/wiki/Perbincangan_pengguna:Aurora" title="Perbincangan pengguna:Aurora">b</a>) <a href="https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia#c-Aurora-2014-07-19T07:48:00.000Z-SyahirSQRT2-2014-07-19T06:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:48, 19 Julai 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aurora-2014-07-19T07:48:00.000Z-SyahirSQRT2-2014-07-19T06:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">balas</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aurora-2014-07-19T07:48:00.000Z-SyahirSQRT2-2014-07-19T06:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Penamaan_rencana_/_naming_the_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Penamaan_rencana_/_naming_the_article-2014-07-24T03:54:00.000Z"><span id="Penamaan_rencana_.2F_naming_the_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Penamaan_rencana_/_naming_the_article-2014-07-24T03:54:00.000Z"></span>Penamaan rencana / naming the article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Penamaan_rencana_/_naming_the_article-2014-07-24T03:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia&action=edit&section=2" title="Sunting kod sumber bahagian: Penamaan rencana / naming the article"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pizza1016-2014-07-24T03:54:00.000Z-Penamaan_rencana_/_naming_the_article"></span>Saya telah membatalkan pemindahan oleh <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Malekhanif" title="Pengguna:Malekhanif">Malekhanif</a> untuk sebab-sebab berikut: </p> <ol><li>Mengikut sebab yang diberikan olehnya, media Malaysia menggunakan nama "Pesawat MH17 Malaysia Airlines". Walau bagaimanapun, adalah penting untuk mengingati bahawa kami sedang menulis Wikipedia untuk <b>pembaca antarabangsa</b>, walaupun Bahasa Melayu adalah lebih berkuasa di Malaysia dan (kemungkinan) banyak pembaca kita berasal dari situ. Kami sedang menulis <i>untuk sesiapa dalam dunia ini yang boleh membaca dan memahami Bahasa Melayu</i>, termasuk, tetapi tidak terhad kepada, mereka di negara-negara lain yang berkomunikasi dalam Bahasa Melayu seperti <a href="/wiki/Singapura" title="Singapura">Singapura</a>, <a href="/wiki/Brunei" title="Brunei">Brunei</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pulau_Krismas" title="Pulau Krismas">Pulau Krismas</a> dsb. serta sesiapa yang mempelajari Bahasa Melayu di negara-negara lain. Juga ingatkan bahawa Wikipedia <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOTNEWS" class="extiw" title="en:WP:NOTNEWS">bukan berita</a> (ini pergi ke <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wn:ms:Laman_Utama&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wn:ms:Laman Utama (laman tidak wujud)">Wikiberita</a>); oleh itu kami tidak wajib menggunakan nama yang diberikan oleh sebarang media, kecuali jika dikenali sebagai itu secara umum (juga lihat nombor 3 di bawah).</li> <li>Tambahannya, kembangan "MH" dalam Bahasa Inggeris ialah "Malaysia Airlines Flight ..."; ini sebabnya format ini digunakan pada <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17" class="extiw" title="en:Malaysia Airlines Flight 17">Wikipedia Bahasa Inggeris</a>. Ini akan diterjemahkan kepada "Penerbangan ... Penerbangan Malaysia" (di mana "<a href="/wiki/Penerbangan_Malaysia" title="Penerbangan Malaysia">Penerbangan Malaysia</a>" adalah terjemahan umum nama "Malaysia Airlines") dan oleh sebab itu kami menggunakan format penamaan ini. Pada Wikipedia <i>Bahasa Melayu</i> kami menggunakan nama Melayu yang umum (mengikut keadaan) di mana kami dapat.</li> <li>Pada Wikipedia, kami mahu mempunyai <b>ketekalan</b> dengan penamaan rencana kami; jika kami mengikut penamaan rencana tentang bencana penerbangan seperti <a href="/wiki/Penerbangan_370_Penerbangan_Malaysia" title="Penerbangan 370 Penerbangan Malaysia">Penerbangan 370 Penerbangan Malaysia</a>, <a href="/wiki/Penerbangan_202_Airblue" title="Penerbangan 202 Airblue">Penerbangan 202 Airblue</a>, <a href="/wiki/Penerbangan_175_United_Airlines" title="Penerbangan 175 United Airlines">Penerbangan 175 United Airlines</a> dsb., nama rencana ini hendaklah mengikut gaya penamaan ini sebagai "Penerbangan 17 Penerbangan Malaysia". Oleh itu, ini sebabnya saya telah menggunakan nama ini pada mulanya.</li></ol> <p>Sila hubungi saya pada <a href="/wiki/Perbincangan_pengguna:Pizza1016" title="Perbincangan pengguna:Pizza1016">laman perbincangan saya</a> jika anda mempunyai komen tentang ini. Sekian :) </p><p>I have undone the move by <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Malekhanif" title="Pengguna:Malekhanif">Malekhanif</a> for the following reasons: </p> <ol><li>According to the reason for his/her move, Malaysian media uses the name "Pesawat MH17 Malaysia Airlines". However, it is important to keep in mind that we are writing Wikipedia for an <b>international audience</b>, despite the Malay language being dominant in Malaysia and (possibly) most of our readers originate from there. We are writing <i>for anyone in the world who can read and understand the Malay language</i>, including, but not limited to, those in other countries which communicate in Malay such as <a href="/wiki/Singapura" title="Singapura">Singapore</a>, <a href="/wiki/Brunei" title="Brunei">Brunei</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pulau_Krismas" title="Pulau Krismas">Christmas Island</a> etc. as well as those who learn the Malay language in other countries. Also remember that Wikipedia is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOTNEWS" class="extiw" title="en:WP:NOTNEWS">en:WP:NOTNEWS</a> (that would go onto <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wn:ms:Laman_Utama&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wn:ms:Laman Utama (laman tidak wujud)">Wikinews</a>), hence we're not obliged to follow the naming given by any media, unless is officially known as such (which it isn't by the way; unless you want to cite a source, but then again look at point number 3 below).</li> <li>Additionally, the expansion of "MH" in English is "Malaysia Airlines Flight ...", which is why the name on the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17" class="extiw" title="en:Malaysia Airlines Flight 17">English Wikipedia</a> is given as such. This would translate to "Penerbangan ... Penerbangan Malaysia" (where "<a href="/wiki/Penerbangan_Malaysia" title="Penerbangan Malaysia">Penerbangan Malaysia</a>" is the official translation of "Malaysia Airlines") and hence we use this naming format. On the <i>Malay</i> Wikipedia we use official (depending on the situation) Malay names wherever we can.</li> <li>On Wikipedia, we want to have <b>consistency</b> with the naming of our articles, so if we follow the naming of aviation disaster articles such as <a href="/wiki/Penerbangan_370_Penerbangan_Malaysia" title="Penerbangan 370 Penerbangan Malaysia">Penerbangan 370 Penerbangan Malaysia</a>, <a href="/wiki/Penerbangan_202_Airblue" title="Penerbangan 202 Airblue">Penerbangan 202 Airblue</a>, <a href="/wiki/Penerbangan_175_United_Airlines" title="Penerbangan 175 United Airlines">Penerbangan 175 United Airlines</a> and etc., then the name of this article should follow this style of naming as "Penerbangan 17 Penerbangan Malaysia". Hence this is why I chose this name in the first place.</li></ol> <p>Please contact me on <a href="/wiki/Perbincangan_pengguna:Pizza1016" title="Perbincangan pengguna:Pizza1016">my talk page</a> if you have any comments on this matter. Thanks :) <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Pizza1016" title="Pengguna:Pizza1016">Pizza1016</a> (<a href="/wiki/Perbincangan_pengguna:Pizza1016" title="Perbincangan pengguna:Pizza1016">bincang</a>) <a href="https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia#c-Pizza1016-2014-07-24T03:54:00.000Z-Penamaan_rencana_/_naming_the_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:54, 24 Julai 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pizza1016-2014-07-24T03:54:00.000Z-Penamaan_rencana_/_naming_the_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">balas</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pizza1016-2014-07-24T03:54:00.000Z-Penamaan_rencana_/_naming_the_article"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Alasan-alasan_lain" data-mw-thread-id="h-Alasan-alasan_lain-Penamaan_rencana_/_naming_the_article-2014-07-24T12:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Alasan-alasan_lain-Penamaan_rencana_/_naming_the_article-2014-07-24T12:45:00.000Z"></span>Alasan-alasan lain<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alasan-alasan_lain-Penamaan_rencana_/_naming_the_article-2014-07-24T12:45:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia&action=edit&section=3" title="Sunting kod sumber bahagian: Alasan-alasan lain"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ol><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Malekhanif-2014-07-24T12:45:00.000Z-Alasan-alasan_lain"></span>Perkataan 'Penerbangan' tak boleh diulang dalam ayat yang sama, menyalahi tatabahasa.</li> <li>id : 'Malaysia Airlines Penerbangan 17</li> <li>en : 'Malaysia Airlines Flight 17' = Malaysia Airlines Airlines 17 ? atau Malaysia Flight Flight 17 ?</li> <li>Sebut yang kecil baru yang besar . Contoh Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Malekhanif" title="Pengguna:Malekhanif">Malekhanif</a> (<a href="/wiki/Perbincangan_pengguna:Malekhanif" title="Perbincangan pengguna:Malekhanif">bincang</a>) <a href="https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia#c-Malekhanif-2014-07-24T12:45:00.000Z-Alasan-alasan_lain" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 24 Julai 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Malekhanif-2014-07-24T12:45:00.000Z-Alasan-alasan_lain"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">balas</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Malekhanif-2014-07-24T12:45:00.000Z-Alasan-alasan_lain"></span></li></ol> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amir_Hamzah_2008-2014-07-24T14:17:00.000Z-Alasan-alasan_lain"></span>Hukum D-M menerangkan bahawa perkara yang diterangkan, iaitu "Penerbangan 17" mendahului perkara yang menerangkannya, iaitu "Penerbangan Malaysia". Perkara yang dibincangkan di sini ialah "Penerbangan 17" bagi "Penerbangan Malaysia". Perkataan "penerbangan" dalam "Penerbangan 17" merujuk perihalnya sementara "Penerbangan Malaysia" merupakan nama am (kata nama khas) bagi syarikatnya. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Amir_Hamzah_2008" title="Pengguna:Amir Hamzah 2008">Amir Hamzah 2008</a> (<a href="/wiki/Perbincangan_pengguna:Amir_Hamzah_2008" title="Perbincangan pengguna:Amir Hamzah 2008">bincang</a>) <a href="https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia#c-Amir_Hamzah_2008-2014-07-24T14:17:00.000Z-Alasan-alasan_lain" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 24 Julai 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amir_Hamzah_2008-2014-07-24T14:17:00.000Z-Alasan-alasan_lain"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">balas</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amir_Hamzah_2008-2014-07-24T14:17:00.000Z-Alasan-alasan_lain"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Captains" data-mw-thread-id="h-Captains-2014-08-22T14:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Captains-2014-08-22T14:56:00.000Z"></span>Captains<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Captains-2014-08-22T14:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia&action=edit&section=4" title="Sunting kod sumber bahagian: Captains"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhisperToMe-2014-08-22T14:56:00.000Z-Captains"></span>Here is information: </p><p>The flight had two captains, Wan Amran Wan Hussin of <a href="/wiki/Kuala_Kangsar" title="Kuala Kangsar">Kuala Kangsar</a> and Eugene Choo Jin Leong (Chinese: 朱仁隆 <i>Zhū Rénlóng</i><sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup>) of <a href="/wiki/Seremban" title="Seremban">Seremban</a>, and two copilots, Ahmad Hakimi Hanapi and Muhd Firdaus Abdul Rahim.<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p><p><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:WhisperToMe" title="Pengguna:WhisperToMe">WhisperToMe</a> (<a href="/wiki/Perbincangan_pengguna:WhisperToMe" title="Perbincangan pengguna:WhisperToMe">bincang</a>) <a href="https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia#c-WhisperToMe-2014-08-22T14:56:00.000Z-Captains" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 22 Ogos 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhisperToMe-2014-08-22T14:56:00.000Z-Captains"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">balas</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhisperToMe-2014-08-22T14:56:00.000Z-Captains"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Note_about_MH17_preliminary_report" data-mw-thread-id="h-Note_about_MH17_preliminary_report-2014-09-09T09:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Note_about_MH17_preliminary_report-2014-09-09T09:58:00.000Z"></span>Note about MH17 preliminary report<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Note_about_MH17_preliminary_report-2014-09-09T09:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia&action=edit&section=5" title="Sunting kod sumber bahagian: Note about MH17 preliminary report"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhisperToMe-2014-09-09T09:58:00.000Z-Note_about_MH17_preliminary_report"></span>Here are archives of the preliminary report files: <ul><li>ENGLISH: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/phase-docs/701/b3923acad0ceprem-rapport-mh-17-en-interactief.pdf">http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/phase-docs/701/b3923acad0ceprem-rapport-mh-17-en-interactief.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6SSLxTGmD">http://www.webcitation.org/6SSLxTGmD</a></li> <li>DUTCH: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/phase-docs/700/b0183934171fprem-rapport-mh-17-nl-interactief.pdf">http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/phase-docs/700/b0183934171fprem-rapport-mh-17-nl-interactief.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6SSM4O6O2">http://www.webcitation.org/6SSM4O6O2</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>In English page 6 of 34: "This report is published in the Dutch and English languages. If there is a difference in interpretation between the Dutch and English versions, the English text will prevail."</dd> <dd>In Dutch page 5 of 35: "Dit rapport is zowel in het Nederlands als in het Engels verschenen. Indien er verschil bestaat in de interpretatie van het Nederlandse en Engelse rapport, is het Engelse rapport leidend."</dd></dl> <p><i>Whenever there is a difference between the English and Dutch versions, use the English version as the source</i> <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:WhisperToMe" title="Pengguna:WhisperToMe">WhisperToMe</a> (<a href="/wiki/Perbincangan_pengguna:WhisperToMe" title="Perbincangan pengguna:WhisperToMe">bincang</a>) <a href="https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia#c-WhisperToMe-2014-09-09T09:58:00.000Z-Note_about_MH17_preliminary_report" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:58, 9 September 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhisperToMe-2014-09-09T09:58:00.000Z-Note_about_MH17_preliminary_report"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">balas</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhisperToMe-2014-09-09T09:58:00.000Z-Note_about_MH17_preliminary_report"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Archive_of_DSB_materials" data-mw-thread-id="h-Archive_of_DSB_materials-2015-10-25T16:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Archive_of_DSB_materials-2015-10-25T16:00:00.000Z"></span>Archive of DSB materials<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Archive_of_DSB_materials-2015-10-25T16:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia&action=edit&section=6" title="Sunting kod sumber bahagian: Archive of DSB materials"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhisperToMe-2015-10-25T16:00:00.000Z-Archive_of_DSB_materials"></span>Ladies and gentlemen, </p><p>I have mass-archived primary source material from the Dutch Safety Board about the MH17 crash. I have done so to keep the materials available for future generations of Wikipedia editors and for the international public. </p><p>I apologize for making this post in English, but I am not fluent in any other languages. </p><p>I will post this list to the MH17 talk pages of the following language edition Wikipedias: English, Ukrainian, Russian, Dutch, Malay, Mandarin Chinese, and Tamil. </p> <ul><li>English is the international auxiliary language</li> <li>Ukrainian and Russian are the languages of the location of the crash: Hrabove (Grabovo), Ukraine - These documents are also helpful for readers based in the Russian Federation</li> <li>Dutch is the language of the flight's origin (Amsterdam) and of most of the passengers</li> <li>Malay is the official language of Malaysia (the country of the airline, Malaysia Airlines), as well as the primary language of the destination (Kuala Lumpur). Along with Malay and English, Mandarin Chinese and Tamil are Malaysia's other significant languages as they are used by the country's Chinese and Indian minorities.</li></ul> <p><b>Material in English</b>: </p> <ul><li>Final report: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/report-mh17-crash-en.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/report-mh17-crash-en.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXhujEUQ">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXhujEUQ</a> <ul><li>On page 3/279 the report says "If there is a difference in interpretation between the English and Dutch versions, the <b>English</b> text will prevail." (emphasis mine) - In consideration of this text, on <i>all</i> language Wikipedia editions, please use the English version of the text in case of any difference between it and the Dutch version</li> <li>Report appendices: <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/appendices-au-mh17-crash-en.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/appendices-au-mh17-crash-en.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXjFQjmz">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXjFQjmz</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/appendix-v-consultation-part-a.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/appendix-v-consultation-part-a.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXjHnV6i">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXjHnV6i</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/appendix-w-consultation-part-b.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/appendix-w-consultation-part-b.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXjf0BGo">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXjf0BGo</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/appendix-x-nlr-report-en.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/appendix-x-nlr-report-en.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXjiEtv8">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXjiEtv8</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/appendix-y-tno-report-en.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/appendix-y-tno-report-en.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXjxHsbn">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXjxHsbn</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/appendix-z-tno-report-en.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/appendix-z-tno-report-en.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXkDtNh1">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXkDtNh1</a></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/brochure-mh17-crash-en.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/brochure-mh17-crash-en.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXiqttSC">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXiqttSC</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/report-mh17-passengerinformation-en.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/report-mh17-passengerinformation-en.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXkfu4tj">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXkfu4tj</a> <ul><li>Note: p. 3/98 says: "NB: This report is published in the Dutch and English languages. If there is a difference in interpretation between the Dutch and English versions, the <b>Dutch</b> text will prevail." - <i>However</i> the Dutch version says that the English version is to be preferred in case of differences between the two</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/appendix-b-passengerinformation.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/appendix-b-passengerinformation.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXkn3YM5">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXkn3YM5</a></li></ul></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/brochure-mh17-passengerinformation-en.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/brochure-mh17-passengerinformation-en.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXlBpphd">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXlBpphd</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/report-mh17-abouttheinvestigation-en.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/report-mh17-abouttheinvestigation-en.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXlH0O3K">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXlH0O3K</a></li> <li>Videos: <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video01-crashmh17-en.mp4">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video01-crashmh17-en.mp4</a> (unable to be archived on webcitation, but is available on the <a href="/wiki/Internet_Archive" title="Internet Archive">Internet Archive</a>) - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://wayback.archive.org/*/http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video01-crashmh17-en.mp4">http://wayback.archive.org/*/http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video01-crashmh17-en.mp4</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video02-causes-en.mp4">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video02-causes-en.mp4</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXmhsvmB">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXmhsvmB</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video03-flyingconflictzones-en.mp4">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video03-flyingconflictzones-en.mp4</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXmZ7RPc">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXmZ7RPc</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video04-reconstrucion-en.mp4">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video04-reconstrucion-en.mp4</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXmqT5Q3">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXmqT5Q3</a></li></ul></li> <li>DSB index page: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/">http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXhy9Fqc">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXhy9Fqc</a></li> <li>Press release: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/pressrelease-mh17-en.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/pressrelease-mh17-en.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXiHwItV">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXiHwItV</a></li></ul> <p><b>Material in Dutch</b>: </p> <ul><li>Final report (Dutch version): <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/rapport-mh17-crash-nl.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/rapport-mh17-crash-nl.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXn6vVbI">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXn6vVbI</a> <ul><li>p. 3/297 states: "N.B. Dit rapport is zowel in het Engels als in het Nederlands verschenen. Indien er verschil bestaat in de interpretatie van het Nederlandse en Engelse rapport, is het Engelse rapport leidend." - The Dutch report also says that the text in English prevails if there is any difference between the English and Dutch versions</li> <li>Appendices: <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/bijlagen-au-mh17-crash-nl.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/bijlagen-au-mh17-crash-nl.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXpKAr40">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXpKAr40</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/bijlage-v-inzage-deel-a.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/bijlage-v-inzage-deel-a.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXpPFMox">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXpPFMox</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/bijlage-w-inzage-deel-b.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/bijlage-w-inzage-deel-b.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXpaXzar">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXpaXzar</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/bijlage-x-nlr-rapport-nl.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/bijlage-x-nlr-rapport-nl.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXpbL3Uk">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXpbL3Uk</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/bijlage-y-tno-rapport-nl.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/bijlage-y-tno-rapport-nl.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXqXyzZZ">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXqXyzZZ</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/bijlage-z-tno-rapport-nl.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/bijlage-z-tno-rapport-nl.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXqkiMri">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXqkiMri</a></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/publieksversie-mh17-crash-nl.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/publieksversie-mh17-crash-nl.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXrxZea5">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXrxZea5</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/rapport-mh17-passagiersinformatie-nl.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/rapport-mh17-passagiersinformatie-nl.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXsOQFW7">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXsOQFW7</a> <ul><li>Note: p. 3/102 says: "N.B. Dit rapport is zowel in het Engels als in het Nederlands verschenen. Indien er verschil bestaat in de interpretatie van het Engelse en Nederlandse rapport, is het Engelse rapport leidend." - However the English report says the Dutch report has supremacy</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/bijlage-b-passagiersinformatie-nl.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/bijlage-b-passagiersinformatie-nl.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXsSoJWT">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXsSoJWT</a></li></ul></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/publieksversie-mh17-passagiersinformatie-nl.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/publieksversie-mh17-passagiersinformatie-nl.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXsVEHzq">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXsVEHzq</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/rapport-mh17-onderzoeksverantwoording-nl.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/rapport-mh17-onderzoeksverantwoording-nl.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXsXm9go">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXsXm9go</a></li> <li>Videos: <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video01-crashmh17-nl.mp4">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video01-crashmh17-nl.mp4</a> - Too large to be on webcitation, but archived at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video01-crashmh17-nl.mp4">http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video01-crashmh17-nl.mp4</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video02-oorzaken-nl.mp4">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video02-oorzaken-nl.mp4</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXtGQxX6">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXtGQxX6</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video03-vliegenconflictgebieden-nl.mp4">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video03-vliegenconflictgebieden-nl.mp4</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXtOLo8E">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXtOLo8E</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video04-reconstructie-nl.mp4">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video04-reconstructie-nl.mp4</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXtWAUTA">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXtWAUTA</a></li></ul></li> <li>DSB index page: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/nl.html">http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/nl.html</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXiElxCS">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXiElxCS</a></li> <li>Press release: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/persbericht-mh17-nl.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/persbericht-mh17-nl.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXmyOrHW">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXmyOrHW</a></li></ul> <p><b>Material in Russian</b>: </p> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/brochure-mh17-crash-ru.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/brochure-mh17-crash-ru.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXiyINZu">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXiyINZu</a></li> <li>Video in English with Russian subtitles: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video01-crashmh17-ru.mp4">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video01-crashmh17-ru.mp4</a> (unable to be archived on webcitation, but is available on the <a href="/wiki/Internet_Archive" title="Internet Archive">Internet Archive</a>) <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://wayback.archive.org/*/http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video01-crashmh17-ru.mp4">http://wayback.archive.org/*/http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video01-crashmh17-ru.mp4</a></li></ul> <p><b>Material in Ukrainian</b>: </p> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/brochure-mh17-crash-uk.pdf">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/brochure-mh17-crash-uk.pdf</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXj2Cf5Q">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXj2Cf5Q</a></li> <li>Video in English with Ukrainian subtitles: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video01-crashmh17-ukr.mp4">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video01-crashmh17-ukr.mp4</a> (unable to be archived on webcitation, but is available on the <a href="/wiki/Internet_Archive" title="Internet Archive">Internet Archive</a>) <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://wayback.archive.org/*/http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video01-crashmh17-ukr.mp4">http://wayback.archive.org/*/http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/movies/video01-crashmh17-ukr.mp4</a></li></ul> <p><b>Photographs</b>: </p> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig01-reconstructie.jpg">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig01-reconstructie.jpg</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXtnrh6t">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXtnrh6t</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig02-reconstructie.jpg">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig02-reconstructie.jpg</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXtqR6pe">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXtqR6pe</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig03-reconstructie.jpg">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig03-reconstructie.jpg</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXtuJT3v">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXtuJT3v</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig04-reconstructie.jpg">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig04-reconstructie.jpg</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXtwunkT">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXtwunkT</a></li> <li>figure 5 <ul><li>English: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig05-crash-fig12-en.jpg">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig05-crash-fig12-en.jpg</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXtzh3Z6">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXtzh3Z6</a></li> <li>Dutch: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig05-crash-fig12-nl.jpg">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig05-crash-fig12-nl.jpg</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXu3NYRM">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXu3NYRM</a></li></ul></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig06-crash-fig19.jpg">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig06-crash-fig19.jpg</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXu8whkV">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXu8whkV</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig07-crash-fig33.jpg">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig07-crash-fig33.jpg</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXuGMJkz">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXuGMJkz</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig08-crash-fig37.jpg">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig08-crash-fig37.jpg</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXuKukSh">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXuKukSh</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig09-crash-fig45.jpg">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig09-crash-fig45.jpg</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXubYED0">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXubYED0</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig10-crash-fig48.jpg">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig10-crash-fig48.jpg</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXudtQxC">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXudtQxC</a></li> <li>figure 11 <ul><li>English: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig11-crash-fig61-en.jpg">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig11-crash-fig61-en.jpg</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXugbZ0W">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXugbZ0W</a></li> <li>Dutch: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig11-crash-fig61-nl.jpg">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig11-crash-fig61-nl.jpg</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXuj1q6Y">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXuj1q6Y</a></li></ul></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig-12.jpg">http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/fig-12.jpg</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6cXulMtVS">http://www.webcitation.org/6cXulMtVS</a></li></ul> <p>As far as I know, no material from the DSB has been published in the other languages of Malaysia (Malay, Chinese, or Tamil). <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:WhisperToMe" title="Pengguna:WhisperToMe">WhisperToMe</a> (<a href="/wiki/Perbincangan_pengguna:WhisperToMe" title="Perbincangan pengguna:WhisperToMe">bincang</a>) <a href="https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia#c-WhisperToMe-2015-10-25T16:00:00.000Z-Archive_of_DSB_materials" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 25 Oktober 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhisperToMe-2015-10-25T16:00:00.000Z-Archive_of_DSB_materials"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">balas</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhisperToMe-2015-10-25T16:00:00.000Z-Archive_of_DSB_materials"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yosri-2015-10-25T17:56:00.000Z-WhisperToMe-2015-10-25T16:00:00.000Z"></span>The correct Wiki to post primary document is at <a class="external text" href="https://wikisource.org/wiki/Main_Page">WikiSources</a>. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Yosri" title="Pengguna:Yosri">Yosri</a> (<a href="/wiki/Perbincangan_pengguna:Yosri" title="Perbincangan pengguna:Yosri">bincang</a>) <a href="https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia#c-Yosri-2015-10-25T17:56:00.000Z-WhisperToMe-2015-10-25T16:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 25 Oktober 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yosri-2015-10-25T17:56:00.000Z-WhisperToMe-2015-10-25T16:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">balas</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yosri-2015-10-25T17:56:00.000Z-WhisperToMe-2015-10-25T16:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhisperToMe-2017-01-31T00:22:00.000Z-Yosri-2015-10-25T17:56:00.000Z"></span>Material that is not copyrighted may be posted at Wikisource, but stuff that is may not. AFAIK DSB materials are not copyrighted. The procedure is to post raw PDF files, videos, audio, etc. on the Commons, then write plaintext Wikisource pages based on the raw PDFs. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:WhisperToMe" title="Pengguna:WhisperToMe">WhisperToMe</a> (<a href="/wiki/Perbincangan_pengguna:WhisperToMe" title="Perbincangan pengguna:WhisperToMe">bincang</a>) <a href="https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perbincangan:Penerbangan_17_Penerbangan_Malaysia#c-WhisperToMe-2017-01-31T00:22:00.000Z-Yosri-2015-10-25T17:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:22, 31 Januari 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhisperToMe-2017-01-31T00:22:00.000Z-Yosri-2015-10-25T17:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">balas</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhisperToMe-2017-01-31T00:22:00.000Z-Yosri-2015-10-25T17:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">"<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://news.sina.com.cn/w/2014-07-18/170430543109.shtml">MH17航班华裔机长父妻均曾就职马航</a>" (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6RWlHmVgT">Archive</a>). <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=Sina_(company)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Sina (company) (laman tidak wujud)">Sina</a></i>. July 18, 2014. Retrieved on August 22, 2014.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-2">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">"<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/08/22/The-crew-of-MH17/">The crew of MH17</a>" (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6S0tSU9RB">Archive</a>). <i><a href="/wiki/The_Star_(Malaysia)" title="The Star (Malaysia)">The Star</a></i>. Friday 22 August 2914. 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