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May I ask that one of the copyright experts help me understand this? The image in question is '''[[:File:The badge of the Wolf's Head Society.png]]'''. The comment was that ''it may fail the first non-free content criterion''. I believe this usage is supportable under fair use. '''Would someone help me clarify the license statement here, or explain how my thinking is wrong?''' The salient points are: # The original gold badge was designed and created circa 1883. # By the time this particular badge was made, several hundred had been cast, and distributed to members. # The description from the source of ''the photo'' of the badge indicates it was awarded to a Yale student and member of this society in 1936. Logically, the badge was made prior to his initiation date. # I assume the photo itself was taken in November of 2021, by a local paper, according to the source of the photo. # Members of the Fraternity and Sorority Project group have searched for online examples of this pin, and this is the only one we have found. Hence, no free alternative is known at this writing. # The badge is discussed within the Symbolism section of the article, as is standard for similar articles where we have uploaded photos of other badges. # I have adjusted the color, saturation and contrast of the photo significantly, also cropped the original photo and have reduced it in size by approximately 80% from the original. Do these adjustments take it out of copyright, as the image has been 'artistically adjusted' and made substantially smaller? Does the copyright concern here have to do with the Original badge, with the specific casting of this badge (1936), or use of the photo from 2021? [[User:Jax MN|Jax MN]] ([[User talk:Jax MN|talk]]) 08:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC) : The ''original design of the item'' is obviously in the public domain. So to get a freely licensed photo, you have to take one. What's stopping you from taking one? — Ирука&lt;sup>[[user:Iruka13|13]]&lt;/sup> 08:57, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::I do not have this badge in my possession. Nor do any of the pin collectors with whom I have discussed this item. This particular badge is thus fairly difficult to find, yet we know that some thousand or so exist. So rather than taking a photo, I artistically adjusted the photo I found via a web search. ::From which of the three dates would we calculate copyright for this situation? From 1883, or from 1936, or from 2021? [[User:Jax MN|Jax MN]] ([[User talk:Jax MN|talk]]) 09:12, 15 November 2024 (UTC) :::Because it is a photo of a three-dimensional object, the 2021 photo will remain under copyright until long after you and I are deceased. None of the changes you made will affect the fact that such revised versions are [[:derivative works]] from a very copyrighted image. --[[User:Orangemike|&lt;span style="color:#F80">Orange Mike&lt;/span>]] &amp;#124; [[User talk:Orangemike|&lt;span style="color:#FA0">Talk&lt;/span>]] 13:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Thank you both for responding. This is a serious inquiry, and I'll stipulate that you likely know more about copyright rules here on Wikipedia than I do. '''Would you explain further?''' We use the carve-out that a single image (logo, coat-of-arms or pin image) may be used in the infobox, low-res, as an identifier of an organization. We make diligent efforts to ensure there is no commercial viability for the JPG or PNG we upload, vis-a-vis the the original work. Thousands of these have now been uploaded, and approved by administrators. Secondarily, our standard infobox has optional parameters that give room for a thumbnail image of a member badge and/or pledge pin, also in the infobox. These are uploaded IF their symbolism is discussed in the body text, as a visual aid to that discussion. The Upload File genie has a standard pathway for this kind of usage. We typically find our source images from organizational history books, the societies themselves, or as images that online merchants provide. None of these vendors have ever complained about this, as our efforts arguably help them in promoting membership or the collection or sale of such antique pins. The vast majority of the original pin castings were designed prior to 1924 but later photographs and printed images may have been made after that year. Again, the organizations (fraternities) themselves routinely welcome our use of these images on articles about their groups. ::::After cropping, color-correcting, fixing inadvertent artifacts, flattening, and after we make significant reductions in size to result in images that are always &lt;100KB, I ask, are works such as the resultant photo of the Wolf's Head pin sufficiently distinct from the original that they are allowable here? ''Over a decade and a half, several thousand of these have been approved by admins.'' Across our '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Fraternities_and_Sororities|Project]]''' usage, these appear to have no commercial viability, in comparison to the original sources. [[User:Jax MN|Jax MN]] ([[User talk:Jax MN|talk]]) 19:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC) :::::As explained by Orange Mike, the item in question can be PD but whoever took the image will still hold the copyright of the image. I've reverted my edits to ''pictures'' of such pins. An alternative will be to contact the fraternities for them to take a picture of their pin and license them as a CC file so the file can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons for use on other Wikipedias as well. --[[User:Minorax|&lt;span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C">Min☠︎rax&lt;/span>]]&lt;sup>&amp;laquo;&amp;brvbar;[[User talk:Minorax|'''talk''']]&amp;brvbar;&amp;raquo;&lt;/sup> 02:19, 16 November 2024 (UTC) ::::::Question: if the photo was taken by staff of federal or otherwise governmental museum or library, wouldn't that image be usable? [[User:Rublamb|Rublamb]] ([[User talk:Rublamb|talk]]) 00:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC) :::::::{{ping|Rublamb}} If the photo was taken by [[:WP:PD#US government works|an employee of the US federal government as part of their official duties]], and whatever was photographed was not independently eligible for copyright protection, then most like such a photo would be fine. The same, however, can't necessarily be said for state, county, city or other sub-federal level government officials since copyright laws at the state and under level can vary (sometimes quite a bit). The same can't also be said for countries other than the US because copyright laws can vary quite a bit from country to country. Finally, a distinction is made with respect to "official duties" even for federal employees; for example, working for the federal government doesn't make everything one posts on one's personal social media accounts or personal websites public domain. 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