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To improve this article, please refer to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOOKS#Article_structure" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOOKS">relevant guideline for the type of work</a>.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Books</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Books</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Books</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Book articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Untitled" data-mw-thread-id="h-Untitled"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Untitled"></span>Untitled<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Untitled"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historia_Augusta&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Untitled"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Even though the Penguin version is only one half, it's far more common on bookstore shelves, and it's useful for people to know how it relates to the full history. (sort of a modern-day version of listing the various corrupt MSS. of an ancient work. :-) ) <a href="/wiki/User:Stan_Shebs" title="User:Stan Shebs">Stan</a> 06:02, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Obvious_falsehood" data-mw-thread-id="h-Obvious_falsehood-2007-08-21T08:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Obvious_falsehood-2007-08-21T08:38:00.000Z"></span>Obvious falsehood<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Obvious_falsehood-2007-08-21T08:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historia_Augusta&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Obvious falsehood"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.20.17.84-2007-08-21T08:38:00.000Z-Obvious_falsehood"></span>Is there some example of obvious falsehoods short enough for modern readers to pick? I ask because the article talks a lot about unreliability but gives no examples. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:84.20.17.84&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:84.20.17.84 (page does not exist)">84.20.17.84</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-84.20.17.84-2007-08-21T08:38:00.000Z-Obvious_falsehood" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84.20.17.84-2007-08-21T08:38:00.000Z-Obvious_falsehood"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-84.20.17.84-2007-08-21T08:38:00.000Z-Obvious_falsehood"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cenedi-2007-08-21T14:29:00.000Z-Obvious_falsehood"></span>I've introduced a new section with some examples. The list could be extended indefinitely! <a href="/wiki/User:Cenedi" title="User:Cenedi">Cenedi</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Cenedi-2007-08-21T14:29:00.000Z-Obvious_falsehood" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cenedi-2007-08-21T14:29:00.000Z-Obvious_falsehood"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cenedi-2007-08-21T14:29:00.000Z-Obvious_falsehood"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.20.17.84-2007-08-22T07:04:00.000Z-Cenedi-2007-08-21T14:29:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. It's easier to understand now. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:84.20.17.84&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:84.20.17.84 (page does not exist)">84.20.17.84</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-84.20.17.84-2007-08-22T07:04:00.000Z-Cenedi-2007-08-21T14:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84.20.17.84-2007-08-22T07:04:00.000Z-Cenedi-2007-08-21T14:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-84.20.17.84-2007-08-22T07:04:00.000Z-Cenedi-2007-08-21T14:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Article_being_managed_by_a_modern_scholar_(Barnes_(?),_Burgess_(?)_vel_sim." data-mw-thread-id="h-Article_being_managed_by_a_modern_scholar_(Barnes_(?),_Burgess_(?)_vel_sim.-2012-02-20T21:35:00.000Z"><span id="Article_being_managed_by_a_modern_scholar_.28Barnes_.28.3F.29.2C_Burgess_.28.3F.29_vel_sim."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Article_being_managed_by_a_modern_scholar_(Barnes_(?),_Burgess_(?)_vel_sim.-2012-02-20T21:35:00.000Z"></span>Article being managed by a modern scholar (Barnes (?), Burgess (?) vel sim.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Article_being_managed_by_a_modern_scholar_(Barnes_(?),_Burgess_(?)_vel_sim.-2012-02-20T21:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historia_Augusta&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Article being managed by a modern scholar (Barnes (?), Burgess (?) vel sim."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beatus.Pistor-2012-02-20T21:35:00.000Z-Article_being_managed_by_a_modern_scholar_(Barnes_(?),_Burgess_(?)_vel_sim."></span>The recent edits of this article by an anonymous author indicate an attempt to threat basic freedom of speech; there is no reason to censor the criticism of the current orthodox view. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Beatus.Pistor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Beatus.Pistor (page does not exist)">Beatus.Pistor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beatus.Pistor" title="User talk:Beatus.Pistor">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Beatus.Pistor" title="Special:Contributions/Beatus.Pistor">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Beatus.Pistor-2012-02-20T21:35:00.000Z-Article_being_managed_by_a_modern_scholar_(Barnes_(?),_Burgess_(?)_vel_sim." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beatus.Pistor-2012-02-20T21:35:00.000Z-Article_being_managed_by_a_modern_scholar_(Barnes_(?),_Burgess_(?)_vel_sim."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beatus.Pistor-2012-02-20T21:35:00.000Z-Article_being_managed_by_a_modern_scholar_(Barnes_(?),_Burgess_(?)_vel_sim."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pasicles-2012-04-26T19:40:00.000Z-Beatus.Pistor-2012-02-20T21:35:00.000Z"></span>Beatus.Pistor -- you need to provide an explanation on this Talk Page for the excessive number of tags you've placed on this article. Adding tags which say "see the discussion on the talk page", and then providing no explanation, is bad wikiquette. Some of the tags such as the ones which say that the section "may not represent a worldwide view of the subject" just seem bizarre to say the least. <a href="/wiki/User:Pasicles" title="User:Pasicles">Pasicles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasicles" title="User talk:Pasicles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Pasicles-2012-04-26T19:40:00.000Z-Beatus.Pistor-2012-02-20T21:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:40, 26 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pasicles-2012-04-26T19:40:00.000Z-Beatus.Pistor-2012-02-20T21:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pasicles-2012-04-26T19:40:00.000Z-Beatus.Pistor-2012-02-20T21:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-94.191.147.92-2012-05-06T13:01:00.000Z-Pasicles-2012-04-26T19:40:00.000Z"></span>I removed these tags for now - it does look a bit like vandalism in my opinion. If Beatus.Pistor is opposed to this he's welcome to outline why those tags are needed on this talk page. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.191.147.92" title="Special:Contributions/94.191.147.92">94.191.147.92</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:94.191.147.92&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:94.191.147.92 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-94.191.147.92-2012-05-06T13:01:00.000Z-Pasicles-2012-04-26T19:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:01, 6 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-94.191.147.92-2012-05-06T13:01:00.000Z-Pasicles-2012-04-26T19:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-94.191.147.92-2012-05-06T13:01:00.000Z-Pasicles-2012-04-26T19:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>My updates of the article were victim of vandalism (if you look at the article's history). This is a debated topic in current academic research (see for instance the reference to Cameron 2011 there), but for some reason it contains only one side of the controversy, and there were users who tried to edit out/censor the subsection on 'criticism of the current orthodox view'. In addition, the article--as it was before I started working on it--contained originally factual errors or statements that were far from being substantiated. (talk) 15:55 17 June 2012 (GMT) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Beatus.Pistor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Beatus.Pistor (page does not exist)">Beatus.Pistor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beatus.Pistor" title="User talk:Beatus.Pistor">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Beatus.Pistor" title="Special:Contributions/Beatus.Pistor">contribs</a>) </span></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Does_Cameron_demolish_all_of_the_arguments_for_the_later_date?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Does_Cameron_demolish_all_of_the_arguments_for_the_later_date?-2012-07-25T00:29:00.000Z"><span id="Does_Cameron_demolish_all_of_the_arguments_for_the_later_date.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Does_Cameron_demolish_all_of_the_arguments_for_the_later_date?-2012-07-25T00:29:00.000Z"></span>Does Cameron demolish all of the arguments for the later date?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Does_Cameron_demolish_all_of_the_arguments_for_the_later_date?-2012-07-25T00:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historia_Augusta&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Does Cameron demolish all of the arguments for the later date?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.191.233.216-2012-07-25T00:29:00.000Z-Does_Cameron_demolish_all_of_the_arguments_for_the_later_date?"></span>I am not familiar with the whole debate, but parts of the life of Claudius Gothicus are dependent on Ammianus, and at least one passage refers to Austrogothi, who probably did not exist, under that name, in the 360s-380s. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.191.233.216" title="Special:Contributions/71.191.233.216">71.191.233.216</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:71.191.233.216" title="User talk:71.191.233.216">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-71.191.233.216-2012-07-25T00:29:00.000Z-Does_Cameron_demolish_all_of_the_arguments_for_the_later_date?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.191.233.216-2012-07-25T00:29:00.000Z-Does_Cameron_demolish_all_of_the_arguments_for_the_later_date?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.191.233.216-2012-07-25T00:29:00.000Z-Does_Cameron_demolish_all_of_the_arguments_for_the_later_date?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Overtagging" data-mw-thread-id="h-Overtagging-2013-07-30T02:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Overtagging-2013-07-30T02:12:00.000Z"></span>Overtagging<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Overtagging-2013-07-30T02:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historia_Augusta&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Overtagging"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cynwolfe-2013-07-30T02:12:00.000Z-Overtagging"></span>I don't disagree with the requests for citations, but when a section is tagged "unreferenced", it's superfluous (per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OVERTAGGING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OVERTAGGING">WP:OVERTAGGING</a>) to tag most or all sentences within it. The article still seems excessively burdened with requests for citations, especially when there's no discussion on the talk page, and at points where it's likely that the whole paragraph comes from the same source. <a href="/wiki/User:Cynwolfe" title="User:Cynwolfe">Cynwolfe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cynwolfe" title="User talk:Cynwolfe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Cynwolfe-2013-07-30T02:12:00.000Z-Overtagging" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 30 July 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cynwolfe-2013-07-30T02:12:00.000Z-Overtagging"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cynwolfe-2013-07-30T02:12:00.000Z-Overtagging"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-216.31.124.106-2013-08-31T14:36:00.000Z-Cynwolfe-2013-07-30T02:12:00.000Z"></span>The problem is we don't know what that source is. More over there is possible misrepresentation of what is being said.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>For example we originally had "Computer-aided stylistic analysis of the work has, however, returned ambiguous results; some elements of style are quite uniform throughout the work, while others vary in a way that suggests multiple authorship. To what extent this is because portions of the work are obviously compiled from multiple sources is unclear.[citation needed]"</dd></dl> <dl><dd>A little searching produced "Computer-aided stylistic analysis of the work has, however, returned ambiguous results; some elements of style are quite uniform throughout the work, while others vary in a way that suggests multiple authorship. To what extent this is due to the fact that portions of the work are obviously compiled from multiple sources is unclear. <b>Several computer analyses of the text have been done to determine whether there were multiple authors. Many of them conclude that there was but a single author, but disagree on methodology. However, several studies done by the same team concluded there were several authors, though they were not sure how many.</b>" (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://atlas.lib.uiowa.edu/book-01-ninthcentury.php">Prickman, Greg; Head of Special Collections & University Archives at the University of Iowa Libraries, (2013) <i>The Atlas of Early Printing</i> "Ninth Century - The Text"</a>)</dd></dl> <dl><dd>So not only was the statement misrepresented but by not being quoted and cited it was a major violation of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CV">WP:CV</a> to boot. So this is NOT overtagged as we don't know where the items being presented come from or how accurate any of them are.--<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.31.124.106" title="Special:Contributions/216.31.124.106">216.31.124.106</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:216.31.124.106&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:216.31.124.106 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-216.31.124.106-2013-08-31T14:36:00.000Z-Cynwolfe-2013-07-30T02:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 31 August 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-216.31.124.106-2013-08-31T14:36:00.000Z-Cynwolfe-2013-07-30T02:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-216.31.124.106-2013-08-31T14:36:00.000Z-Cynwolfe-2013-07-30T02:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cleanup_of_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cleanup_of_article-2016-02-05T13:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cleanup_of_article-2016-02-05T13:52:00.000Z"></span>Cleanup of article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cleanup_of_article-2016-02-05T13:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historia_Augusta&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Cleanup of article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oatley2112-2016-02-05T13:52:00.000Z-Cleanup_of_article"></span>I have just completed a comprehensive cleanup of the article, mostly adding citations where required. Consequently, I have removed the citation required and original research boxes. <a href="/wiki/User:Oatley2112" title="User:Oatley2112">Oatley2112</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oatley2112" title="User talk:Oatley2112">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Oatley2112-2016-02-05T13:52:00.000Z-Cleanup_of_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oatley2112-2016-02-05T13:52:00.000Z-Cleanup_of_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oatley2112-2016-02-05T13:52:00.000Z-Cleanup_of_article"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Response_to_request_for_comment" data-mw-thread-id="h-Response_to_request_for_comment-2016-05-10T12:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Response_to_request_for_comment-2016-05-10T12:11:00.000Z"></span>Response to request for comment<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Response_to_request_for_comment-2016-05-10T12:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historia_Augusta&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Response to request for comment"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Furius-2016-05-10T12:11:00.000Z-Response_to_request_for_comment"></span>In general this is looking fantastic. Roman history is by no means my specialty, but I have a couple of small points: </p> <ul><li>In some places, it needs to be kept clearer that theories are theories - e.g. the discussion of the source of scriptores' names as Ciceronian references, the presentation of the case for Ignotus. This especially true with explanations of arguments from Syme.</li> <li>I would expand abbreviations like HA and KG - there is no need for them and they may be confusing to people who jump straight to a section, rather than reading the article from start to finish</li> <li>I'm not convinced that the table "Estimated amount of reliable historical details in some of the HA’s secondary and later primary vitae" is actually very helpful - I am skeptical of the methodological validity of the source's decision to create it.</li> <li>There are occassional phrases which seem a bit POV for wiki, like "fertile and fraudulent imagination", "inferior sources". These need to be more clearly attributed to a specific source or made a bit more colourless.</li> <li>"For instance, Herodian is used more often that he is explicitly referenced in the HA; three times his material is cited as "Arrianus", and ten times he is referenced as "Herodianus", probably to multiply the author's sources. Further, the author often distorts Herodian, to suit his literary objective." - but "Herodianus" is just the Latin form of "Herodian".</li> <li>The examples of falsehood section might be trimmed <i>a little</i>. A lot of these items, presented as "falsehood", could be "error" - this could be marked a bit more clearly. The <i>aclys</i> is pretty weak as an "invention" as opposed to literary variety. The ones that rest on an absence of corroborating evidence can probably go too; e.g. on the accession of Tacitus: "(no reason to believe in them, either)" is weak as evidence of falsehood.</li> <li>Historical value: Magie's quote is pretty pompous and unsympathetic and it is not really about historical value so much as literary value. If there is to be a section on "literary value" it should go there - and then it would be nice to balance him with more recent and sympathetic assessments (there must be someone who has viewed the intertextuality of the work as a fascinating and interesting feature of it?).</li> <li>"Criticism of the current mainstream view" should be incorporated into the main body as appropriate - it does not seem fair to me to give such a prominent place to Syme and relegate Momigliano and AHM Jones to the end, when all three are exceptionally distinguished.</li> <li>"Historical Value" should, I think, come immediately after "Genre and purpose" and "false documents" & "examples of flasehood" should be sub-sections of it.</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Furius" title="User:Furius">Furius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Furius" title="User talk:Furius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Furius-2016-05-10T12:11:00.000Z-Response_to_request_for_comment" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 10 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Furius-2016-05-10T12:11:00.000Z-Response_to_request_for_comment"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Furius-2016-05-10T12:11:00.000Z-Response_to_request_for_comment"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oatley2112-2016-05-10T22:46:00.000Z-Furius-2016-05-10T12:11:00.000Z"></span>Thanks Furius, those suggestions look good. I will work on these over the next few days. <a href="/wiki/User:Oatley2112" title="User:Oatley2112">Oatley2112</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oatley2112" title="User talk:Oatley2112">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Oatley2112-2016-05-10T22:46:00.000Z-Furius-2016-05-10T12:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 10 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oatley2112-2016-05-10T22:46:00.000Z-Furius-2016-05-10T12:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oatley2112-2016-05-10T22:46:00.000Z-Furius-2016-05-10T12:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Furius-2016-05-11T03:10:00.000Z-Oatley2112-2016-05-10T22:46:00.000Z"></span>No problem. I should reiterate ttha this is looking fantastic - don't feel bound by any of my suggestions if you disagree with them. <a href="/wiki/User:Furius" title="User:Furius">Furius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Furius" title="User talk:Furius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Furius-2016-05-11T03:10:00.000Z-Oatley2112-2016-05-10T22:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:10, 11 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Furius-2016-05-11T03:10:00.000Z-Oatley2112-2016-05-10T22:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Furius-2016-05-11T03:10:00.000Z-Oatley2112-2016-05-10T22:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 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class="plainlist"><ul><li><a href="https://iw.toolforge.org/copyvios/%3Flang%3Den%26project%3Dwikipedia%26oldid%3D%26action%3Dsearch%26use_engine%3D1%26use_links%3D1%26turnitin%3D1%26title%3DHistoria_Augusta" class="extiw" title="toolforge:copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=&action=search&use engine=1&use links=1&turnitin=1&title=Historia Augusta">Copyvio detector</a></li><li><a href="https://xtools.wmcloud.org/authorship/en.wikipedia.org/Historia_Augusta" class="extiw" title="xtools:authorship/en.wikipedia.org/Historia Augusta">Authorship</a></li><li><a href="https://iw.toolforge.org/link-dispenser/analyze/Historia_Augusta" class="extiw" title="toolforge:link-dispenser/analyze/Historia Augusta">External links</a></li></ul></div></td> </tr><tr><th class="sidebar-heading"> Reviewing</th></tr><tr><td class="sidebar-content"> <div class="plainlist"><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations/templates" title="Wikipedia:Good article nominations/templates">Templates</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_criteria" title="Wikipedia:Good article criteria">Criteria</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations/Instructions#Reviewing" title="Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions">Instructions</a></li></ul></div></td> </tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><i>This review is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Transclusion" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Transclusion">transcluded</a> from <a href="/wiki/Talk:Augustan_History/GA1" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Augustan History/GA1">Talk:Augustan History/GA1</a>. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.</i></dd></dl> <p><b>Reviewer:</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Mr_rnddude" title="User:Mr rnddude">Mr rnddude</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr_rnddude" title="User talk:Mr rnddude">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mr_rnddude" title="Special:Contributions/Mr rnddude">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-02T11:58:00.000Z-GA_Review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:58, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-02T11:58:00.000Z-GA_Review"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-02T11:58:00.000Z-GA_Review"></span> </p><p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-02T09:50:00.000Z-GA_Review"></span> Hi there I will be taking on the review of this article, expect a full review up by tomorrow or the day after. <a href="/wiki/User:Mr_rnddude" title="User:Mr rnddude">Mr rnddude</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr_rnddude" title="User talk:Mr rnddude">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-02T09:50:00.000Z-GA_Review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-02T09:50:00.000Z-GA_Review"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-02T09:50:00.000Z-GA_Review"></span> </p> <table class="wikitable" style="text-align:left"> <tbody><tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <th width="30"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-02T09:50:00.000Z-GA_Review-1"></span>Rate </th> <th width="300"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GACR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GACR">Attribute</a> </th> <th>Review Comment </th></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td colspan="3"><b>1.</b> <b>Well-written</b>: </td></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Pass"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> </td> <td><b>1a</b>. the prose is clear, concise, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Make_technical_articles_understandable" title="Wikipedia:Make technical articles understandable">understandable to an appropriately broad audience</a>; spelling and grammar are correct. </td> <td>All issues with prose have been cleared, therefore, this criterion is a pass. </td></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Pass"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> </td> <td><b>1b</b>. it complies with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">Manual of Style</a> guidelines for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section">lead sections</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout">layout</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch">words to watch</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Writing_about_fiction" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction">fiction</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Embedded_lists" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Embedded lists">list incorporation</a>. </td> <td>I am satisfied that this article meets the criteria, it is cleanly broken up into appropriate sections and section titles, the article is neatly laid out, I haven't come across nearly any puffery, as this is a work about a non-fictional topic the MOS fiction requirements do not apply and the embedded lists (I count two) are neatly and correctly set out. </td></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td colspan="3"><b>2.</b> <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">Verifiable</a></b> with <b>no original research</b>: </td></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Pass"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> </td> <td><b>2a</b>. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FNNR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FNNR">the layout style guideline</a>. </td> <td>The issues with the layout of the sources has been fixed. The sources are verifiable and attribution has been properly made. </td></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Pass"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> </td> <td><b>2b</b>. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable sources</a> are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Inline_citation" title="Wikipedia:Inline citation">cited inline</a>. All content that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_that_could_reasonably_be_challenged" title="Wikipedia:Content that could reasonably be challenged">could reasonably be challenged</a>, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). </td> <td>I am reasonably confident that all of the sources used are of repute and are reliable secondary sources, this is a combination of having used some of these sources myself and the known publications. <ul><li>Note; I removed a large set duplinks in the article, normally only the first instance of a word in an article is linked.</li></ul> </td></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Pass"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> </td> <td><b>2c</b>. it contains <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research" title="Wikipedia:No original research">no original research</a>. </td> <td>The below issues have been rectified and this article is now good to pass criterion 2c. <p><br/> </p> </td></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Pass"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> </td> <td><b>2d</b>. it contains no <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright_violations" title="Wikipedia:Copyright violations">copyright violations</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Plagiarism" title="Wikipedia:Plagiarism">plagiarism</a>. </td> <td><s>It's highly likely that a copyright violation has occurred.</s> That copyright violation exists because a University thinks it's appropriate to just wholesale lift other peoples' work and not even attribute it. I know we're accessible to everyone, but, what a dick move. <small>Students are denied the right to use Wikipedia for their assessment pieces, so why are their lecturer's and institutions allowed to use it to deliver lectures?</small> </td></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td colspan="3"><b>3.</b> <b>Broad in its coverage</b>: </td></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Pass"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> </td> <td><b>3a</b>. it addresses the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Out_of_scope" title="Wikipedia:Out of scope">main aspects</a> of the topic. </td> <td>The article covers the topic excellently, this article meets this criterion. </td></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Pass"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> </td> <td><b>3b</b>. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Summary_style" title="Wikipedia:Summary style">summary style</a>). </td> <td>The article is written well, it covers the major points of the history, authorship, use as both a historical and literary source and does so without going into excruciating and minute detail. </td></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Pass"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> </td> <td><b>4</b>. <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">Neutral</a></b>: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. </td> <td>There is an insignificant issue of puffery, a single minute instance of it in the article, that will be dealt with under criterion 1a. </td></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Pass"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> </td> <td><b>5</b>. <b>Stable</b>: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring" title="Wikipedia:Edit warring">edit war</a> or content dispute. </td> <td>The article is in a stable condition, there aren't any outstanding disputes on the article or on the talk page. I will be looking at how Furius' suggestions were incorporated and note that they don't require all (or even any) of their suggestions to be included. </td></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td colspan="3"><b>6.</b> <b>Illustrated</b>, if possible, by <b>media</b> such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Images" title="Wikipedia:Images">images</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Videos" title="Wikipedia:Videos">video</a>, or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Audio" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Audio">audio</a>: </td></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Pass"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> </td> <td><b>6a</b>. media are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:File_copyright_tags" title="Wikipedia:File copyright tags">tagged</a> with their <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright" title="Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright">copyright statuses</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_use_rationale_guideline" title="Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline">valid non-free use rationales</a> are provided for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content" title="Wikipedia:Non-free content">non-free content</a>. </td> <td>I made a slight amendment to the PD-art tag of trebellianus, it had an error tag show up because the PD-1923 tag needs to also be included in the image. Other than that, all the image issues have been resolved. </td></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Pass"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> </td> <td><b>6b</b>. media are <a href="/wiki/MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE">relevant</a> to the topic, and have <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Captions" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Captions">suitable captions</a>. </td> <td>The licenses for a few images need an update; Herman Dessau and Trebellianus can be update by the nominator, we'll have to await confirmation from the uploader of CiceroBust before I can prescribe a necessary action there. That said, all of the captions on the images are suitable. </td></tr> <tr style="vertical-align:top;"> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Pass"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> </td> <td><b>7</b>. <b>Overall assessment</b>. </td> <td><s>For the time being I have identified some license issues. I am about to go through and check the substance of the article. I have also noted a likely copyright violation that needs addressing, as per, Earwig's copyvio detector. I also note a couple possible WP:OR violations under 2c. I have also identified some issues minor prose and punctuation issues with 1a.</s> All of the issues that I'd found with the article have been rectified, as such, this article is good to go for GA. </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>I will be using the above table to complete the review for this article. <a href="/wiki/User:Mr_rnddude" title="User:Mr rnddude">Mr rnddude</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr_rnddude" title="User talk:Mr rnddude">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-02T09:50:00.000Z-GA_Review-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-02T09:50:00.000Z-GA_Review-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-02T09:50:00.000Z-GA_Review-1"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oatley2112-2016-08-03T00:58:00.000Z-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-02T09:50:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for beginning the review, looking forward to working with you to get the GA! <a href="/wiki/User:Oatley2112" title="User:Oatley2112">Oatley2112</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oatley2112" title="User talk:Oatley2112">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Oatley2112-2016-08-03T00:58:00.000Z-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-02T09:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:58, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oatley2112-2016-08-03T00:58:00.000Z-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-02T09:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oatley2112-2016-08-03T00:58:00.000Z-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-02T09:50:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Oatley2112" title="User:Oatley2112"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-03T07:04:00.000Z-Oatley2112-2016-08-03T00:58:00.000Z"></span>Oatley2112</a>, I have completed my initial review of this article, my most pressing concerns are with criterion 2d and, less immediately, 2c. The copyvio should be addressed immediately, I am putting this review on hold to give you a chance to handle this issue and the others as well. I can give you a week for 2d and if you'd like another week after that to deal with everything else (if you can handle it earlier, that too is fine, even preferred). This is of course dependent upon your availability. In any case, I must say that this is an excellent article overall and one I hope goes on to A and FA. Feel free to ping me if you need anything. <a href="/wiki/User:Mr_rnddude" title="User:Mr rnddude">Mr rnddude</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr_rnddude" title="User talk:Mr rnddude">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-03T07:04:00.000Z-Oatley2112-2016-08-03T00:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:04, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-03T07:04:00.000Z-Oatley2112-2016-08-03T00:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-03T07:04:00.000Z-Oatley2112-2016-08-03T00:58:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Mr_rnddude" title="User:Mr rnddude"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oatley2112-2016-08-03T23:13:00.000Z-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-03T07:04:00.000Z"></span>Mr rnddude</a>, thank you for the review, it is greatly appreciated. I will look these over and address the concerns over the next 3-4 days; however, just quickly on 2d, as <a href="/wiki/User:Furius" title="User:Furius">Furius</a> has noted on the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Augustan_History" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Augustan History">Talk:Augustan_History</a> page, the Wikipedia article is the primary article for those sections and the UIowa version is the copy. <a href="/wiki/User:Oatley2112" title="User:Oatley2112">Oatley2112</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oatley2112" title="User talk:Oatley2112">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Oatley2112-2016-08-03T23:13:00.000Z-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-03T07:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:13, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oatley2112-2016-08-03T23:13:00.000Z-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-03T07:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oatley2112-2016-08-03T23:13:00.000Z-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-03T07:04:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oatley2112-2016-08-05T11:00:00.000Z-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-03T07:04:00.000Z"></span>8Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Mr_rnddude" title="User:Mr rnddude">Mr rnddude</a>, just a quick note that I have added an additional sentence under <b>Literary value</b>, adding the opinion of M. L. W. Laistner. Let me know if you are happy with it. <a href="/wiki/User:Oatley2112" title="User:Oatley2112">Oatley2112</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oatley2112" title="User talk:Oatley2112">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Oatley2112-2016-08-05T11:00:00.000Z-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-03T07:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:00, 5 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oatley2112-2016-08-05T11:00:00.000Z-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-03T07:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oatley2112-2016-08-05T11:00:00.000Z-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-03T07:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-05T11:02:00.000Z-Oatley2112-2016-08-05T11:00:00.000Z"></span>Is fine. <a href="/wiki/User:Mr_rnddude" title="User:Mr rnddude">Mr rnddude</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr_rnddude" title="User talk:Mr rnddude">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-05T11:02:00.000Z-Oatley2112-2016-08-05T11:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:02, 5 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-05T11:02:00.000Z-Oatley2112-2016-08-05T11:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-05T11:02:00.000Z-Oatley2112-2016-08-05T11:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Comments" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comments-2016-08-03T08:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comments-2016-08-03T08:05:00.000Z"></span>Comments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comments-2016-08-03T08:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historia_Augusta&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Comments"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Finnusertop-2016-08-03T08:05:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Non-reviewer comment: </p> <ul><li>There is both "Magie 1921" and "Magie & Historia Augusta 1921" in References, but only "Magie, David; Historia Augusta (1921)" in Sources.</li> <li>There is a "Birley 1988" in References but "Birley, Anthony; Historia Augusta (1988)" in Sources.</li> <li>There is a "Cameron 2011" in References but "Cameron, Alan (2010)" in Sources.</li> <li>There is a "Habelt 1968" in References but "Habelt, Rudolf (1966)" in Sources.</li> <li>There is a "Prickman 2013, book-01-ninthcentury.php" in References but "Prickman, Greg" in Sources.</li> <li>Finally, no citation points to "Anonymous (c. 395)" ({{sfnRef|Historia Augusta|AD 395}}) in Sources. <span style="font-family: serif; letter-spacing: 0.1em">– <a href="/wiki/User:Finnusertop" title="User:Finnusertop">Finnusertop</a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Finnusertop" title="User talk:Finnusertop">talk</a> ⋅ <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Finnusertop" title="Special:Contributions/Finnusertop">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Finnusertop-2016-08-03T08:05:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:05, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Finnusertop-2016-08-03T08:05:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Finnusertop-2016-08-03T08:05:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Finnusertop-2016-08-06T17:55:00.000Z-Finnusertop-2016-08-03T08:05:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Oatley2112" title="User:Oatley2112">Oatley2112</a>:</span> Please take great care with these refs, they still don't match. You should go through them one by one and see if the links work or not. <span style="font-family: serif; letter-spacing: 0.1em">– <a href="/wiki/User:Finnusertop" title="User:Finnusertop">Finnusertop</a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Finnusertop" title="User talk:Finnusertop">talk</a> ⋅ <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Finnusertop" title="Special:Contributions/Finnusertop">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Finnusertop-2016-08-06T17:55:00.000Z-Finnusertop-2016-08-03T08:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 6 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Finnusertop-2016-08-06T17:55:00.000Z-Finnusertop-2016-08-03T08:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Finnusertop-2016-08-06T17:55:00.000Z-Finnusertop-2016-08-03T08:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Furius-2016-08-03T10:16:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Non-Reviewer comment: </p> <ul><li>On the issue of "the" in front of names. Examples like "the Alexander Severus" stand for "the Life of Alexander Severus" and probably should be expanded to that. "The Philippics" is the standard name for a set of speeches by Cicero. 09:37, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</li> <li>On the copyvio - The wikipedia article is primary and the UIowa version is the copy. The "offending sections" in the wiki article go back to at <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Augustan_History&oldid=70976489">least 2006</a>; the UIowa version is first visible in 2014 <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20140810020748/http://atlas.lib.uiowa.edu/book-01-ninthcentury.php">on the wayback machine</a> and the front page of that UIowa project says that its entire project only began in 2008 <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20141015043404/http://atlas.lib.uiowa.edu/about.php">[1]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Furius" title="User:Furius">Furius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Furius" title="User talk:Furius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Furius-2016-08-03T10:16:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:16, 3 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Furius-2016-08-03T10:16:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Furius-2016-08-03T10:16:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-04T02:22:00.000Z-Furius-2016-08-03T10:16:00.000Z"></span>I see, to be entirely honest, I thought that that might be the case but wasn't sure how to check. <a href="/wiki/User:Mr_rnddude" title="User:Mr rnddude">Mr rnddude</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr_rnddude" title="User talk:Mr rnddude">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-04T02:22:00.000Z-Furius-2016-08-03T10:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 4 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-04T02:22:00.000Z-Furius-2016-08-03T10:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr_rnddude-2016-08-04T02:22:00.000Z-Furius-2016-08-03T10:16:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <p><br/> <b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oatley2112-2016-08-06T05:49:00.000Z-Comments"></span>A big thank you to everyone who contributed to making this article into a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_articles" title="Wikipedia:Good articles">Good Article</a>, in particular the reviewer <a href="/wiki/User:Mr_rnddude" title="User:Mr rnddude">Mr rnddude</a>, as well as <a href="/wiki/User:Furius" title="User:Furius">Furius</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Llywrch" title="User:Llywrch">Llywrch</a>.</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Oatley2112" title="User:Oatley2112">Oatley2112</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oatley2112" title="User talk:Oatley2112">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Oatley2112-2016-08-06T05:49:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:49, 6 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oatley2112-2016-08-06T05:49:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oatley2112-2016-08-06T05:49:00.000Z-Comments"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""From_the_sixth_century_to_the_end_of_the_19th_century,_historians_had_recognized_that_the_Historia_Augusta_was_a_flawed_and_not_a_particularly_reliable_source"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"From_the_sixth_century_to_the_end_of_the_19th_century,_historians_had_recognize-20230326164100"><span id=".22From_the_sixth_century_to_the_end_of_the_19th_century.2C_historians_had_recognized_that_the_Historia_Augusta_was_a_flawed_and_not_a_particularly_reliable_source.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"From_the_sixth_century_to_the_end_of_the_19th_century,_historians_had_recognize-20230326164100"></span>"From the sixth century to the end of the 19th century, historians had recognized that the Historia Augusta was a flawed and not a particularly reliable source"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"From_the_sixth_century_to_the_end_of_the_19th_century,_historians_had_recognize-20230326164100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historia_Augusta&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: "From the sixth century to the end of the 19th century, historians had recognized that the Historia Augusta was a flawed and not a particularly reliable source""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Koopinator-20230326164100-"From_the_sixth_century_to_the_end_of_the_19th_century,_historians_had_recognize"></span>I would like more expansion on this claim. What 6th century historians objected to this work, and in what way? <a href="/wiki/User:Koopinator" title="User:Koopinator">Koopinator</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Koopinator" title="User talk:Koopinator">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historia_Augusta#c-Koopinator-20230326164100-"From_the_sixth_century_to_the_end_of_the_19th_century,_historians_had_recognize" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 26 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Koopinator-20230326164100-"From_the_sixth_century_to_the_end_of_the_19th_century,_historians_had_recognize"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Koopinator-20230326164100-"From_the_sixth_century_to_the_end_of_the_19th_century,_historians_had_recognize"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historia_Augusta&oldid=1207547053">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historia_Augusta&oldid=1207547053</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_good_articles" title="Category:Wikipedia good articles">Wikipedia good articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:History_good_articles" title="Category:History good articles">History good articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:GA-Class_Classical_Greece_and_Rome_articles" title="Category:GA-Class Classical Greece and Rome articles">GA-Class Classical Greece and Rome articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Classical_Greece_and_Rome_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Classical Greece and Rome articles">Mid-importance Classical Greece and Rome articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:All_WikiProject_Classical_Greece_and_Rome_pages" title="Category:All WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome pages">All WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:GA-Class_military_history_articles" title="Category:GA-Class military history articles">GA-Class military history articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:GA-Class_Roman_and_Byzantine_military_history_articles" title="Category:GA-Class Roman and Byzantine military history articles">GA-Class Roman and Byzantine military history articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Roman_and_Byzantine_military_history_task_force_articles" title="Category:Roman and Byzantine military history task force articles">Roman and Byzantine military history task force articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:GA-Class_Classical_warfare_articles" title="Category:GA-Class Classical warfare articles">GA-Class Classical warfare articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Classical_warfare_task_force_articles" title="Category:Classical warfare task force articles">Classical warfare task force articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:GA-Class_Latin_articles" title="Category:GA-Class Latin articles">GA-Class Latin articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Latin_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Latin articles">Mid-importance Latin articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:GA-Class_history_articles" title="Category:GA-Class history articles">GA-Class history articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_history_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance history articles">Mid-importance history articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_History_articles" title="Category:WikiProject History articles">WikiProject History articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:GA-Class_Book_articles" title="Category:GA-Class Book articles">GA-Class Book articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Books_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Books articles">WikiProject Books articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 15 February 2024, at 03:06<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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