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No further edits should be made to this discussion.</i></dd></dl> <p>The result of the move request was: <b>not moved.</b> <small>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Closing_instructions#Non-admin_closure" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions">non-admin closure</a>)</small> - 🔥<a href="/wiki/User:Illusion_Flame" title="User:Illusion Flame">𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Illusion_Flame" title="User talk:Illusion Flame">(𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)</a>🔥 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-Illusion_Flame-20231008123300-Requested_move_1_October_2023" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:33, 8 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illusion_Flame-20231008123300-Requested_move_1_October_2023"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illusion_Flame-20231008123300-Requested_move_1_October_2023"></span> </p> <hr/> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Premier_of_Victoria" title="Premier of Victoria"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000-Requested_move_1_October_2023"></span>Premier of Victoria</a> → <a href="/wiki/List_of_premiers_of_Victoria" title="List of premiers of Victoria">List of premiers of Victoria</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Chief_Minister_of_the_Australian_Capital_Territory" title="Chief Minister of the Australian Capital Territory">Chief Minister of the Australian Capital Territory</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_chief_ministers_of_the_Australian_Capital_Territory&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="List of chief ministers of the Australian Capital Territory (page does not exist)">List of chief ministers of the Australian Capital Territory</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Premier_of_New_South_Wales" title="Premier of New South Wales">Premier of New South Wales</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_premiers_of_New_South_Wales&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="List of premiers of New South Wales (page does not exist)">List of premiers of New South Wales</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Premier_of_Queensland" title="Premier of Queensland">Premier of Queensland</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_premiers_of_Queensland&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="List of premiers of Queensland (page does not exist)">List of premiers of Queensland</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Premier_of_Tasmania" title="Premier of Tasmania">Premier of Tasmania</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_premiers_of_Tasmania&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="List of premiers of Tasmania (page does not exist)">List of premiers of Tasmania</a></li></ul> <p>– To make consistent with <a href="/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_Australia" title="List of prime ministers of Australia">List of prime ministers of Australia</a>. The articles are lists rather than an articles with the majority of the page in each article consisting of tables rather than prose. The page's current titles should be reserved for a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Prose" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Prose">prose</a> dominant article (as is the case for <a href="/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Australia" title="Prime Minister of Australia">Prime Minister of Australia</a>). <small>(Note: I have omitted a few States from the move as they contain a considerable amount of prose and a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Split" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Split">split</a> would be more appropriate).</small> <b>–––</b> <a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne"><span style="color:black">GMH MELBOURNE</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:GMH_Melbourne" title="User talk:GMH Melbourne"><span style="font-size:85%;">TALK</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000-Requested_move_1_October_2023" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:00, 1 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000-Requested_move_1_October_2023"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000-Requested_move_1_October_2023"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070100-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rreagan007" title="User:Rreagan007">Rreagan007</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:Steelkamp" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Steelkamp">Steelkamp</a> – FYI <b>–––</b> <a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne"><span style="color:black">GMH MELBOURNE</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:GMH_Melbourne" title="User talk:GMH Melbourne"><span style="font-size:85%;">TALK</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070100-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:01, 1 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070100-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070100-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Steelkamp-20231001072300-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span>Support</b> in principle. The other ones (<a href="/wiki/Premier_of_Western_Australia" title="Premier of Western Australia">Premier of Western Australia</a>, <a href="/wiki/Premier_of_South_Australia" title="Premier of South Australia">Premier of South Australia</a>, <a href="/wiki/Chief_Minister_of_the_Northern_Territory" title="Chief Minister of the Northern Territory">Chief Minister of the Northern Territory</a>) should be moved as well IMO and the contents split to the original page. That would be a good course of action (rather than a split in the other direction) due to those page's page history, which is mostly focused on the list of premiers. This move would be inline with the Premiers of Canada articles or the Governors of the United States articles, as well as the <a href="/wiki/Prime_minister_of_Australia" class="mw-redirect" title="Prime minister of Australia">Prime minister of Australia</a> article and many other heads of government around the world. <a href="/wiki/User:Steelkamp" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Steelkamp">Steelkamp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Steelkamp" title="User talk:Steelkamp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-Steelkamp-20231001072300-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:23, 1 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Steelkamp-20231001072300-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Steelkamp-20231001072300-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Muzi-20231001131100-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span>Oppose</b> Instead of rename and moved because the articles is more about of list of premier. Why don't you create a new page "List of Premiers of Victoria" and remove the list from this page and try to expand this page like <a href="/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Australia" title="Prime Minister of Australia">Prime Minister of Australia</a> I am sure we can write more about roles and authority of premier, and can write history as it was a colony before 1901, privileges, Style of address, etc. Look at the <a href="/wiki/Premier_of_Ontario" title="Premier of Ontario">Premier of Ontario</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Muzi" title="User:Muzi">Muzi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Muzi" title="User talk:Muzi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-Muzi-20231001131100-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 1 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Muzi-20231001131100-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Muzi-20231001131100-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231001141400-Muzi-20231001131100"></span>Not a bad idea, however I would still prefer to move the articles as:</dd> <dd>a) it will allow for exactly what you have described;</dd> <dd>b) the articles in their current form don't contain much prose to expand on (only a lead section); and</dd> <dd>c) it will allow for the lists to retain their edit history. <b>–––</b> <a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne"><span style="color:black">GMH MELBOURNE</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:GMH_Melbourne" title="User talk:GMH Melbourne"><span style="font-size:85%;">TALK</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-GMH_Melbourne-20231001141400-Muzi-20231001131100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 1 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231001141400-Muzi-20231001131100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231001141400-Muzi-20231001131100"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnangarra-20231001135700-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span>Oppose</b> retain the articles as the highest elected position in each state it is notable in its own right and its a significantly logical link from many other articles where people expect to find information about the role, responsibilities, how one comes to hold that office, and any notable high/low lights. By all means break out the list portion as a list article as that will grow in perpetuity but dont break the 1,000's of existing links which arent looking for a list. <a href="/wiki/User:Gnangarra" title="User:Gnangarra">Gnan</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnangarra" title="User talk:Gnangarra">garra</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-Gnangarra-20231001135700-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:57, 1 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnangarra-20231001135700-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnangarra-20231001135700-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231001141100-Gnangarra-20231001135700"></span>I would expect the wikipedia community will develop the articles to include the <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">information about the role, responsibilities, how one comes to hold that office, and any notable high/low lights</q> that doesn't actually exist in the articles in their current form. As they stand the articles are predominately the list with a short lead. This move will allow the lists to keep their edit history and for the subsequent redirects that will be created to become prose articles (as can be seen with <a href="/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Australia" title="Prime Minister of Australia">Prime Minister of Australia</a> and <a href="/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_Australia" title="List of prime ministers of Australia">List of prime ministers of Australia</a>). <b>–––</b> <a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne"><span style="color:black">GMH MELBOURNE</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:GMH_Melbourne" title="User talk:GMH Melbourne"><span style="font-size:85%;">TALK</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-GMH_Melbourne-20231001141100-Gnangarra-20231001135700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:11, 1 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231001141100-Gnangarra-20231001135700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231001141100-Gnangarra-20231001135700"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ITBF-20231002084500-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span>Oppose</b>. The format "premier of X" is the more natural title. Although the bulk of the articles currently may be devoted to a list of officeholders, they're certainly expandable to include more detail on the history and role of the office. This is also in line with articles like <a href="/wiki/Attorney-General_of_Australia" title="Attorney-General of Australia">Attorney-General of Australia</a> and <a href="/wiki/Minister_for_Defence_(Australia)" title="Minister for Defence (Australia)">Minister for Defence (Australia)</a>. With regard to the U.S. governor articles, I think there has been a fair bit of to-ing and fro-ing around article titles, but it's currently a mixture of titles like <a href="/wiki/Governor_of_Colorado" title="Governor of Colorado">Governor of Colorado</a> (includes a list) vs. <a href="/wiki/List_of_governors_of_Delaware" title="List of governors of Delaware">List of governors of Delaware</a> vs. separate office/list articles. I wouldn't be in favour of separating out lists of premiers as I think that's what most readers are looking for. <a href="/wiki/User:ITBF" title="User:ITBF">ITBF</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ITBF" title="User talk:ITBF">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-ITBF-20231002084500-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:45, 2 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ITBF-20231002084500-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ITBF-20231002084500-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DilatoryRevolution-20231002114100-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span>Oppose</b>: the articles are about the positions, one element of which is the list of office-holders, but other elements of the office are, and should be, included. --<a href="/wiki/User:DilatoryRevolution" title="User:DilatoryRevolution">DilatoryRevolution</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DilatoryRevolution" title="User talk:DilatoryRevolution">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-DilatoryRevolution-20231002114100-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 2 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DilatoryRevolution-20231002114100-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DilatoryRevolution-20231002114100-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Totallynotarandomalt69-20231004065200-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span>Oppose</b> - Article fine as is</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Totallynotarandomalt69" title="User:Totallynotarandomalt69">Totallynotarandomalt69</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Totallynotarandomalt69" title="User talk:Totallynotarandomalt69">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-Totallynotarandomalt69-20231004065200-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:52, 4 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Totallynotarandomalt69-20231004065200-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Totallynotarandomalt69-20231004065200-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Axver-20231004094700-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span>Soft oppose for now</b>. If these articles were large and unwieldy, then moving the list to its own page would be justified, but we're not at that stage yet. I can see an argument for being proactive but unless anyone is planning to do some serious editing in the near future, I think it would look rather awkward to have each "premier of [insert state]" article as short, even stub-length, pieces. Coincidentally, I visited the <a href="/wiki/Premier_of_Alberta" title="Premier of Alberta">premier of Alberta</a> page just this morning and was surprised both by its brevity and by having to click through to another article for a list of premiers. It felt like an unnecessary extra step. <a href="/wiki/User:Axver" title="User:Axver">Axver</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Axver" title="User talk:Axver">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-Axver-20231004094700-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:47, 4 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Axver-20231004094700-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Axver-20231004094700-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Siegfried_Nugent-20231004112400-Axver-20231004094700"></span>Oppose</b>. On the basis of Axver's comments above. I can see in the future, if the pages have been appropriately fleshed out and expanded, that a separate list page could be needed. However, it is too soon for that. Moving the pages confuses the issue further. The current arrangement at least allows for future expansion and then subdivision should the main page become too unwieldy.<a href="/wiki/User:Siegfried_Nugent" title="User:Siegfried Nugent">Siegfried Nugent</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Siegfried_Nugent" title="User talk:Siegfried Nugent">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-Siegfried_Nugent-20231004112400-Axver-20231004094700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:24, 4 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Siegfried_Nugent-20231004112400-Axver-20231004094700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Siegfried_Nugent-20231004112400-Axver-20231004094700"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Milkk7-20231005022500-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span>Support</b> per original rationale. <a href="/wiki/User:Milkk7" title="User:Milkk7">Milkk7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Milkk7" title="User talk:Milkk7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-Milkk7-20231005022500-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:25, 5 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Milkk7-20231005022500-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Milkk7-20231005022500-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231005233900-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span>Comment</b> I am working on a article to replace <a href="/wiki/Premiers_of_Victoria" class="mw-redirect" title="Premiers of Victoria">Premiers of Victoria</a> for if the move were to take place <a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne/sandbox" title="User:GMH Melbourne/sandbox">(see here)</a>.<b>––– <a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne"><span style="color:black">GMH MELBOURNE</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-GMH_Melbourne-20231005233900-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 5 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231005233900-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231005233900-GMH_Melbourne-20231001070000"></span></li></ul> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20231109051200-Requested_move_1_October_2023"></span>The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: #FF0000;">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;"></div> <p>Postscript: Premier of Victoria was moved against the above consensus, <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1184223354#Contested_technical_requests" title="Special:PermanentLink/1184223354">discussion ensued</a> at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM/TR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM/TR">WP:RM/TR</a>, and the article returned to its original longstanding title. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-Rotideypoc41352-20231109051200-Requested_move_1_October_2023" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:12, 9 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20231109051200-Requested_move_1_October_2023"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rotideypoc41352-20231109051200-Requested_move_1_October_2023"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Legend_for_political_parties" data-mw-thread-id="h-Legend_for_political_parties-20231129013900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Legend_for_political_parties-20231129013900"></span>Legend for political parties<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Legend_for_political_parties-20231129013900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Legend for political parties"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231129013900-Legend_for_political_parties"></span>Does the Legend for political parties need to be there (at the top of the '<a href="/wiki/Premier_of_Victoria#List_of_premiers_of_Victoria" title="Premier of Victoria">List of premiers of Victoria</a>' section) when it states the political party in the 8th column? ––– <a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne">GMH Melbourne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GMH_Melbourne" title="User talk:GMH Melbourne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-GMH_Melbourne-20231129013900-Legend_for_political_parties" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231129013900-Legend_for_political_parties"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231129013900-Legend_for_political_parties"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Steelkamp-20231129022100-GMH_Melbourne-20231129013900"></span>I don't think the legend needs to be there. <a href="/wiki/User:Steelkamp" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Steelkamp">Steelkamp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Steelkamp" title="User talk:Steelkamp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-Steelkamp-20231129022100-GMH_Melbourne-20231129013900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Steelkamp-20231129022100-GMH_Melbourne-20231129013900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Steelkamp-20231129022100-GMH_Melbourne-20231129013900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Friendlyhistorian-20231204050700-GMH_Melbourne-20231129013900"></span>my take is most lists have it so lets leave there <a href="/wiki/User:Friendlyhistorian" title="User:Friendlyhistorian">Friendlyhistorian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Friendlyhistorian" title="User talk:Friendlyhistorian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-Friendlyhistorian-20231204050700-GMH_Melbourne-20231129013900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Friendlyhistorian-20231204050700-GMH_Melbourne-20231129013900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Friendlyhistorian-20231204050700-GMH_Melbourne-20231129013900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removing_the_Monarch_and_Governor_columns" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removing_the_Monarch_and_Governor_columns-20231130013800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removing_the_Monarch_and_Governor_columns-20231130013800"></span>Removing the Monarch and Governor columns<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removing_the_Monarch_and_Governor_columns-20231130013800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Removing the Monarch and Governor columns"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231130013800-Removing_the_Monarch_and_Governor_columns"></span>Are the Monarch and Governor columns necessary when we have <a href="/wiki/Governor_of_Victoria" title="Governor of Victoria">Governor of Victoria</a> and <a href="/wiki/Monarch_of_Australia" class="mw-redirect" title="Monarch of Australia">Monarch of Australia</a> articles as well as this information in the infoboxes of most of the premiers. To me is seems like clutter. Thoughts? ––– <a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne">GMH Melbourne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GMH_Melbourne" title="User talk:GMH Melbourne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-GMH_Melbourne-20231130013800-Removing_the_Monarch_and_Governor_columns" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231130013800-Removing_the_Monarch_and_Governor_columns"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GMH_Melbourne-20231130013800-Removing_the_Monarch_and_Governor_columns"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Friendlyhistorian-20231130015200-GMH_Melbourne-20231130013800"></span>Personally i am ok with with keeping Governor columns but removing the monarch column that being said i would not mind removing both i think keeping only the Governor column would be the best solution <a href="/wiki/User:Friendlyhistorian" title="User:Friendlyhistorian">Friendlyhistorian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Friendlyhistorian" title="User talk:Friendlyhistorian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-Friendlyhistorian-20231130015200-GMH_Melbourne-20231130013800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Friendlyhistorian-20231130015200-GMH_Melbourne-20231130013800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Friendlyhistorian-20231130015200-GMH_Melbourne-20231130013800"></span> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240108052500-Friendlyhistorian-20231130015200"></span>Additional Comment:</b> By removing the two columns, the list will be able to become sortable. ––– <a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne">GMH Melbourne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GMH_Melbourne" title="User talk:GMH Melbourne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-GMH_Melbourne-20240108052500-Friendlyhistorian-20231130015200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240108052500-Friendlyhistorian-20231130015200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240108052500-Friendlyhistorian-20231130015200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HoHo3143-20240108055400-GMH_Melbourne-20240108052500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne">GMH Melbourne</a> I've tried playing around with it and I don't think it's possible. This is because some premiers have served more than once but split up by another term. Bolte is an example of this occurring. <a href="/wiki/User:HoHo3143" title="User:HoHo3143">HoHo3143</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HoHo3143" title="User talk:HoHo3143">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-HoHo3143-20240108055400-GMH_Melbourne-20240108052500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HoHo3143-20240108055400-GMH_Melbourne-20240108052500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HoHo3143-20240108055400-GMH_Melbourne-20240108052500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Splitting_proposal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Splitting_proposal-20240108053600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Splitting_proposal-20240108053600"></span>Splitting proposal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Splitting_proposal-20240108053600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Splitting proposal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="boilerplate discussion-archived mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: var(--background-color-progressive-subtle, #f5f3ef); color: var(--color-base, inherit); overflow:auto; margin: 1em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid var(--border-color-subtle, #aaa)"> <div class="boilerplate-header"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GraziePrego-20240222022200-Splitting_proposal"></span>The following discussion is closed. <span style="color:var(--color-error, red)"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.</i> <i>A summary of the conclusions reached follows.</i> <dl><dd>The result of this discussion was to split, to improve consistency with similar articles and overall length. <a href="/wiki/User:GraziePrego" title="User:GraziePrego">GraziePrego</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GraziePrego" title="User talk:GraziePrego">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-GraziePrego-20240222022200-Splitting_proposal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GraziePrego-20240222022200-Splitting_proposal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GraziePrego-20240222022200-Splitting_proposal"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240108053600-Splitting_proposal"></span>I propose that the article be split in two: <b>List of premiers of Victoria</b> and <b>Premier of Victoria</b>. The split has been suggested in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Premier_of_Victoria/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Peer review/Premier of Victoria/archive1">peer review for this article</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:HoHo3143" title="User:HoHo3143">HoHo3143</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:JML1148" title="User:JML1148">JML1148</a>. The split will be consistent with articles <a href="/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Australia" title="Prime Minister of Australia">Prime Minister of Australia</a> and <a href="/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_Australia" title="List of prime ministers of Australia">List of prime ministers of Australia</a>, and will also allow for the merging of <a href="/wiki/List_of_premiers_of_Victoria_by_time_in_office" title="List of premiers of Victoria by time in office">List of premiers of Victoria by time in office</a> into the <i>List of premiers of Victoria</i> aritcle. ––– <a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne">GMH Melbourne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GMH_Melbourne" title="User talk:GMH Melbourne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-GMH_Melbourne-20240108053600-Splitting_proposal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240108053600-Splitting_proposal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240108053600-Splitting_proposal"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Friendlyhistorian-20240110100200-GMH_Melbourne-20240108053600"></span>Support</b> I agree it should be split just like the prime ministers of Australia article its also good for consistency as mentioned <a href="/wiki/User:Friendlyhistorian" title="User:Friendlyhistorian">Friendlyhistorian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Friendlyhistorian" title="User talk:Friendlyhistorian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-Friendlyhistorian-20240110100200-GMH_Melbourne-20240108053600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:02, 10 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Friendlyhistorian-20240110100200-GMH_Melbourne-20240108053600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Friendlyhistorian-20240110100200-GMH_Melbourne-20240108053600"></span></dd></dl> <p><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240108054000-Splitting_proposal"></span>Pinging users that may be interested: <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Totallynotarandomalt69" title="User:Totallynotarandomalt69">Totallynotarandomalt69</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Steelkamp" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Steelkamp">Steelkamp</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Axver" title="User:Axver">Axver</a>:</span> ––– <a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne">GMH Melbourne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GMH_Melbourne" title="User talk:GMH Melbourne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-GMH_Melbourne-20240108054000-Splitting_proposal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240108054000-Splitting_proposal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240108054000-Splitting_proposal"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HoHo3143-20240108055800-GMH_Melbourne-20240108054000"></span>Support</b>. I agree with the reasons stated above. In addition, we have also had 49 premiers since the positions creation, so the list is getting quite long. 1 side note is that I think the list by time in office needs to be kept as the table can't be sorted due to some premiers serving split terms. This is unless both are put on the same <b>List of premiers of Victoria</b> article. <a href="/wiki/User:HoHo3143" title="User:HoHo3143">HoHo3143</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HoHo3143" title="User talk:HoHo3143">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-HoHo3143-20240108055800-GMH_Melbourne-20240108054000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:58, 8 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HoHo3143-20240108055800-GMH_Melbourne-20240108054000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HoHo3143-20240108055800-GMH_Melbourne-20240108054000"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JML1148-20240108065900-GMH_Melbourne-20240108054000"></span>Support</b>, obviously. The existing article, <a href="/wiki/Premiers_of_Victoria" class="mw-redirect" title="Premiers of Victoria">Premiers of Victoria</a>, is getting very long and can easily be a standalone article. Removing the list brings it in line with <a href="/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Australia" title="Prime Minister of Australia">Prime Minister of Australia</a> and <a href="/wiki/President_of_the_United_States_of_America" class="mw-redirect" title="President of the United States of America">President of the United States of America</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:JML1148" title="User:JML1148">JML1148</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JML1148" title="User talk:JML1148"><span style="color:#58c8cc">talk</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JML1148" title="Special:Contributions/JML1148"><span style="color:#58c8cc">contribs</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-JML1148-20240108065900-GMH_Melbourne-20240108054000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JML1148-20240108065900-GMH_Melbourne-20240108054000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JML1148-20240108065900-GMH_Melbourne-20240108054000"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nibraa-20240111202800-GMH_Melbourne-20240108054000"></span>Oppose</b>, if as appears to be the case, although not explicitly stated, the proposal is not just to split but to move <a href="/wiki/Premier_of_Victoria" title="Premier of Victoria">Premier of Victoria</a> to <a href="/wiki/Premiers_of_Victoria" class="mw-redirect" title="Premiers of Victoria">Premiers of Victoria</a>. If so this will require a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM</a>. While I am <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">assuming good faith</a>, there has been trouble before with this article <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests&diff=prev&oldid=1184051066">having been moved before despite a consensus not to</a>. <a href="/wiki/Premiers_of_Victoria" class="mw-redirect" title="Premiers of Victoria">Premiers of Victoria</a> would be inconsistent with all other members of <a href="/wiki/Category:Lists_of_heads_of_government_of_Australian_states_and_territories" title="Category:Lists of heads of government of Australian states and territories">Category:Lists of heads of government of Australian states and territories</a> that are named in the singular.</dd> <dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne">GMH Melbourne</a>:</span> can you please clarify whether your proposal is that <a href="/wiki/Premier_of_Victoria" title="Premier of Victoria">Premier of Victoria</a> be renamed <a href="/wiki/Premiers_of_Victoria" class="mw-redirect" title="Premiers of Victoria">Premiers of Victoria</a>?</dd> <dd>Rather than creating <a href="/wiki/List_of_premiers_of_Victoria" title="List of premiers of Victoria">List of premiers of Victoria</a>, would suggest incorporating the relevant text into the existing <a href="/wiki/List_of_premiers_of_Victoria_by_time_in_office" title="List of premiers of Victoria by time in office">List of premiers of Victoria by time in office</a> article. If that article is then be renamed will also require a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nibraa&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nibraa (page does not exist)">Nibraa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nibraa" title="User talk:Nibraa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-Nibraa-20240111202800-GMH_Melbourne-20240108054000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nibraa-20240111202800-GMH_Melbourne-20240108054000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nibraa-20240111202800-GMH_Melbourne-20240108054000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240112055000-Nibraa-20240111202800"></span>My apologies, 'Premiers of Victoria' rather than 'Premier of Victoria' was a typo which I have now fixed in the proposal. <a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne">GMH Melbourne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GMH_Melbourne" title="User talk:GMH Melbourne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-GMH_Melbourne-20240112055000-Nibraa-20240111202800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:50, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240112055000-Nibraa-20240111202800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240112055000-Nibraa-20240111202800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240112055100-GMH_Melbourne-20240112055000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nibraa&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nibraa (page does not exist)">Nibraa</a> (forgot to ping) <a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne">GMH Melbourne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GMH_Melbourne" title="User talk:GMH Melbourne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-GMH_Melbourne-20240112055100-GMH_Melbourne-20240112055000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240112055100-GMH_Melbourne-20240112055000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240112055100-GMH_Melbourne-20240112055000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HoHo3143-20240112081300-GMH_Melbourne-20240112055000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne">GMH Melbourne</a> thanks for the fix <a href="/wiki/User:HoHo3143" title="User:HoHo3143">HoHo3143</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HoHo3143" title="User talk:HoHo3143">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-HoHo3143-20240112081300-GMH_Melbourne-20240112055000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HoHo3143-20240112081300-GMH_Melbourne-20240112055000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HoHo3143-20240112081300-GMH_Melbourne-20240112055000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240113194800-Splitting_proposal"></span>Note to closer of split discussion</b>: If the result of the discussion is 'split', in order to best retain the contribution history of the two pages, I suggest moving this article to 'List of premiers of Victoria' as the majority of this article's history pertains to the list of premiers section. I also suggest moving <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:GMH_Melbourne/Premier_of_Victoria&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:GMH Melbourne/Premier of Victoria (page does not exist)">User:GMH Melbourne/Premier of Victoria</a> into this title ('Premier of Victoria') as that page has already had the prose copied over and has in its history has the contributions of all the users that helped form the prose that exists now. <a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne">GMH Melbourne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GMH_Melbourne" title="User talk:GMH Melbourne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-GMH_Melbourne-20240113194800-Splitting_proposal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 13 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240113194800-Splitting_proposal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240113194800-Splitting_proposal"></span> </p> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. 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Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Allow the sorting of the main list in this article. Please, if you don't want to, explain on my talk page. If you don't want to make this change I want to know the reasons against it(if there are any). <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sanciston&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sanciston (page does not exist)">Sanciston</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sanciston" title="User talk:Sanciston">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-Sanciston-20240723214900-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_23_July_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sanciston-20240723214900-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_23_July_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sanciston-20240723214900-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_23_July_2024"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Left_guide-20240723220000-Sanciston-20240723214900"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Semi-protection-unlocked.svg/28px-Semi-protection-unlocked.svg.png" decoding="async" width="28" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Semi-protection-unlocked.svg/42px-Semi-protection-unlocked.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Semi-protection-unlocked.svg/56px-Semi-protection-unlocked.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="366"/></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> According to the page's protection level you should be able to <a href="/wiki/Help:Editing" title="Help:Editing">edit the page yourself</a>. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-Left_guide-20240723220000-Sanciston-20240723214900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 23 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Left_guide-20240723220000-Sanciston-20240723214900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Left_guide-20240723220000-Sanciston-20240723214900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240929142600-Sanciston-20240723214900"></span>Hello, sorting would be difficult as some cells are vertically merged (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates/List_of_premiers_of_Victoria/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of premiers of Victoria/archive1">discussed here</a>) making it sortable will break the table every time a user toggles a sort. <a href="/wiki/User:GMH_Melbourne" title="User:GMH Melbourne">GMH Melbourne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GMH_Melbourne" title="User talk:GMH Melbourne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_premiers_of_Victoria#c-GMH_Melbourne-20240929142600-Sanciston-20240723214900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240929142600-Sanciston-20240723214900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GMH_Melbourne-20240929142600-Sanciston-20240723214900"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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