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Please do not modify it. Use the <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal" title="Wikidata:Property proposal">current page</a>, even to continue an old discussion. </td></tr></tbody></table> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Generic_/_Allgemein_/_Général">1 Generic / Allgemein / Général</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-2"><a href="#list_of">1.1 list of</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-3"><a href="#part_of_/_teil_von_/_fr_/_Часть">1.2 part of / teil von / fr / Часть</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-4"><a href="#Commonscat_link">1.3 Commonscat link</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-5"><a href="#Commons_category">1.4 Commons category</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-6"><a href="#seal_description">1.5 seal description</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Authority_control_/_Normdaten_/_Autorité">2 Authority control / Normdaten / Autorité</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-8"><a href="#NDL_Authorities_/_Nationale_Parlamentsbibliothek_(NDL)_/_Bibliothèque_nationale_de_la_Diète_(NDL)">2.1 NDL Authorities / Nationale Parlamentsbibliothek (NDL) / Bibliothèque nationale de la Diète (NDL)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-9"><a href="#ICCU_Authorities">2.2 ICCU Authorities</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-10"><a href="#NLA">2.3 NLA</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#Person_/_Person_/_Personne">3 Person / Person / Personne</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-12"><a href="#cause_of_death">3.1 cause of death</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-13"><a href="#Indirect_relations">3.2 Indirect relations</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-14"><a href="#Military_rank">3.3 Military rank</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-15"><a href="#canonization_status_/_/_/_stato_di_canonizzazione">3.4 canonization status / / / stato di canonizzazione</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-16"><a href="#voice_type_/_/_/_tipo_di_voce_(IT)">3.5 voice type / / / tipo di voce (IT)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-17"><a href="#position_(on_team)">3.6 position (on team)</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#Organization_/_Organisation_/_Organisation">4 Organization / Organisation / Organisation</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-19"><a href="#stock_exchange">4.1 stock exchange</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#Event_/_Veranstaltung_/_Évènement">5 Event / Veranstaltung / Évènement</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="#Creative_work_/_Werk_/_Œuvre_créative">6 Creative work / Werk / Œuvre créative</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-22"><a href="#Discography">6.1 Discography</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-23"><a href="#Number_of_album">6.1.1 Number of album</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-24"><a href="#Type_of_object">6.2 Type of object</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-25"><a href="#software">6.3 software</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-26"><a href="#operating_system_/_Betriebssystem">6.3.1 operating system / Betriebssystem</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-27"><a href="#License">6.3.2 License</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-28"><a href="#Originallanguage_/_Originalsprache_/_Langue_original">6.3.3 Originallanguage / Originalsprache / Langue original</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-29"><a href="#Film">6.4 Film</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-30"><a href="#IMDb_title,_IMDb_name_/_IMDb_Rolle,_IMDb_Name_/_IMDb_titre,_IMDb_nom">6.4.1 IMDb title, IMDb name / IMDb Rolle, IMDb Name / IMDb titre, IMDb nom</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-31"><a href="#cinematography_/_Kamera_/_...">6.4.2 cinematography / Kamera / ...</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-32"><a href="#radio_format_/_Hörfunkformat_/_...">6.4.3 radio format / Hörfunkformat / ...</a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-33"><a href="#Term_/_Sachbegriff_/_Terme">7 Term / Sachbegriff / Terme</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-34"><a href="#Entrez_Gene_ID">7.1 Entrez Gene ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-35"><a href="#UniProt_ID">7.2 UniProt ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-36"><a href="#Symbol">7.3 Symbol</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-37"><a href="#HGNC_ID">7.4 HGNC ID</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-38"><a href="#Place_/_Geografikum_/_Lieu">8 Place / Geografikum / Lieu</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-39"><a href="#Country_/_Land_/_Pays">8.1 Country / Land / Pays</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-40"><a href="#ISO_3166-1">8.1.1 ISO 3166-1</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-41"><a href="#ISO_3166-2">8.1.2 ISO 3166-2</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-42"><a href="#Astronomical_objects">8.2 Astronomical objects</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-43"><a href="#Object_Name_/_Objekt_Name_/_Nom_de_l'objet">8.2.1 Object Name / Objekt Name / Nom de l'objet</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-44"><a href="#Celestial_coordinates_/_Astronomische_Koordinaten_/_coordonnées_célestes">8.2.2 Celestial coordinates / Astronomische Koordinaten / coordonnées célestes</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-45"><a href="#Angular_size">8.2.3 Angular size</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-46"><a href="#Astronomic_symbol_/_/_/_simbolo_astronomico">8.2.4 Astronomic symbol / / / simbolo astronomico</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-47"><a href="#On_astronomical_body_/_/">8.2.5 On astronomical body / /</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-48"><a href="#Parent_body_/_/">8.2.6 Parent body / /</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-49"><a href="#Children_body_/_/">8.2.7 Children body / /</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-50"><a href="#Companion_of_/_/">8.2.8 Companion of / /</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-51"><a href="#City_/_town">8.3 City / town</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-52"><a href="#Patron_saint_/_/_/_Patrono">8.3.1 Patron saint / / / Patrono</a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-53"><a href="#Unsorted">9 Unsorted</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-54"><a href="#main_article_in_category">9.1 main article in category</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-55"><a href="#mountain_type_/_Bergtyp_/_types_de_montagnes">9.2 mountain type / Bergtyp / types de montagnes</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-56"><a href="#EE-number_/_EE-Nummer_/_EE-numéro_/">9.3 EE-number / EE-Nummer / EE-numéro /</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-57"><a href="#Page">9.4 Page</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-58"><a href="#DrTrigonBot_(String)_Value">9.5 DrTrigonBot (String) Value</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-59"><a href="#Taxon_author">9.5.1 Taxon author</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-60"><a href="#quantity_symbol_/_Formelzeichen">9.6 quantity symbol / Formelzeichen</a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Generic_/_Allgemein_/_Général" data-mw-thread-id="h-Generic_/_Allgemein_/_Général-2013-02-01T17:48:00.000Z">Generic / Allgemein / Général</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="list_of" data-mw-thread-id="h-list_of-Generic_/_Allgemein_/_Général-2013-03-24T21:28:00.000Z">list of</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2262253935">.mw-parser-output .property-navibox{background:var(--background-color-progressive-subtle,#f1f4fd);border:3px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1)}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-header{background:var(--background-color-progressive-subtle,#f1f4fd);outline:3px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1);padding:4px}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links{float:right;margin:0}body.rtl .mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links{float:left}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links li{display:inline;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links li:after{display:inline;content:" – "}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links li:last-child:after{content:none}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main{overflow-x:auto}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox table{display:table;overflow-x:visible}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main tr{vertical-align:text-top}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox[dir="ltr"] .property-navibox-main th{padding-right:1em;text-align:left}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox[dir="rtl"] .property-navibox-main th{padding-left:1em;text-align:right}@media(max-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-header{display:flex;flex-direction:column-reverse}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main>table>tbody>tr>td,.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main>table>tbody>tr>th{display:block}}</style><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P360" title="Property:P360">is a list of</a> (P360) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P360" title="Property talk:P360">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>property aims to identify the subject of lists and items providing interwikis to lists at Wikipedia</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>e.g. items with interwikis to (en) pages named "List of" etc.</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q40483" title="Q40483">list of popes</a> "list of" <a href="/wiki/Q19546" title="Q19546">pope</a></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td>See <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2013/03#What_to_do_with_lists.3F" title="Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2013/03">Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2013/03#What_to_do_with_lists.3F</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> – The preceding <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" class="extiw" title="w:Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/wiki/User:Docu" title="User:Docu">Docu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Docu" title="Special:Contributions/Docu">contribs</a>) at <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Docu-2013-03-24T21:28:00.000Z-list_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 24 March 2013 (UTC)</a>. <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support I hope this can be applied to all lists, not just those with interwiki links titled "List of [...]". (E.g. <a href="/wiki/Q3437235" title="Q3437235">Madonna videography</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q25275" title="Q25275">ISO 3166-1</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_of_the_Year" class="extiw" title="w:Mark of the Year">w:Mark of the Year</a>.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Avenue" title="User:Avenue">Avenue</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Avenue" title="User talk:Avenue">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Avenue-2013-03-26T14:25:00.000Z-Docu-2013-03-24T21:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 26 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P360" title="Property:P360">Property:P360</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Docu-2013-03-27T04:04:00.000Z-Avenue-2013-03-26T14:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:04, 27 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="part_of_/_teil_von_/_fr_/_Часть" data-mw-thread-id="h-part_of_/_teil_von_/_fr_/_Часть-Generic_/_Allgemein_/_Général-2013-03-13T11:58:00.000Z">part of / teil von / fr / Часть</h3></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P361" title="Property:P361">Property:P361</a> <ul><li>Description: This item is a part of that item; expresses a whole-part relationship</li> <li>Infobox parameter: N/A</li> <li>Datatype: Item</li> <li>Domain: The domain of the object item</li> <li>Allowed values: Any item</li> <li>Source: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/SimplePartWhole/">W3C working draft document on representing whole-part relations in the Semantic Web</a>; some categories or lists in Wikipedia</li> <li>Example items and values: <a href="/wiki/Q148" title="Q148">China</a> part of <a href="/wiki/Q48" title="Q48">Asia</a>; <a href="/wiki/Q82586" title="Q82586">lepton</a> part of <a href="/wiki/Q2225" title="Q2225">electron</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q2225" title="Q2225">electron</a> part of <a href="/wiki/Q9121" title="Q9121">atom</a>; <a href="/wiki/Q44167" title="Q44167">engine</a> part of <a href="/wiki/Q1420" title="Q1420">automobile</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q446" title="Q446">wheel</a> part of <a href="/wiki/Q1420" title="Q1420">automobile</a>; <a href="/wiki/Q1242632" title="Q1242632">Remus</a> part of <a href="/wiki/Q2197" title="Q2197">Romulus and Remus</a></li> <li>Robot and gadget jobs: Consistency should be checked with proposed property, e.g. "whole thing of" (holonime).</li></ul> <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius" title="User talk:Infovarius">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Infovarius-2013-03-13T11:58:00.000Z-part_of_/_teil_von_/_fr_/_Часть" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:58, 13 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Symbol_note.svg/20px-Symbol_note.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Symbol_note.svg/30px-Symbol_note.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Symbol_note.svg/40px-Symbol_note.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Info not sure if this is redundant to <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">P:P279</a> or not. Perhaps useful--<a href="/wiki/User:Svebert" title="User:Svebert">Svebert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Svebert" title="User talk:Svebert">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Svebert-2013-03-15T19:51:00.000Z-Infovarius-2013-03-13T11:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:51, 15 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I just encountered two items which are suitable for the "part of" relation: <a href="/wiki/Q131772" title="Q131772">Chinese New Year</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q6815921" title="Q6815921">East Asian New Year</a>. Both <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">P:P31</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">P:P279</a> can't apply to this example because neither "Chinese New Year" nor "East Asian New Year" is a class. --<a href="/wiki/User:Stevenliuyi" title="User:Stevenliuyi">Stevenliuyi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stevenliuyi" title="User talk:Stevenliuyi">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-15T21:44:00.000Z-Svebert-2013-03-15T19:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 15 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>There is no article about East Asian New Year in any language I understand, so I can only guess: East Asian New Year is the class/group of all New Years in East Asia. Therefore Chinese New Year “is an-instance“ of Asian New Year, thus <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">P:P31</a> should be used--<a href="/wiki/User:Svebert" title="User:Svebert">Svebert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Svebert" title="User talk:Svebert">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Svebert-2013-03-16T10:36:00.000Z-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-15T21:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:36, 16 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>No, East Asian New Year isn't a class, just like you can't say "China is an instance of Asia". --<a href="/wiki/User:Stevenliuyi" title="User:Stevenliuyi">Stevenliuyi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stevenliuyi" title="User talk:Stevenliuyi">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-16T14:13:00.000Z-Svebert-2013-03-16T10:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:13, 16 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support The “China is an instance of Asia“ example is a very good to make your point. Now I think “Part of“ is a good property!--<a href="/wiki/User:Svebert" title="User:Svebert">Svebert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Svebert" title="User talk:Svebert">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Svebert-2013-03-16T15:23:00.000Z-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-16T14:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 16 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>By "part of" I don't mean "subclass of" which is for P31. See example in the form. <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius" title="User talk:Infovarius">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Infovarius-2013-03-16T13:43:00.000Z-Svebert-2013-03-15T19:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 16 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support, though I would adjust some fields in this proposal: <dl><dd><ul><li>Description: This item is a part of that item (this is a more intuitive and idiomatic way of saying "Part/Subset of something bigger, meronime".)</li> <li>Domain: Everything ("subject main type and category" is an unnecessarily complex and slightly awkward way of saying "everything")</li> <li>Source: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/SimplePartWhole/">W3C working draft document on representing whole-part relations in the Semantic Web</a> (seems like a better source than miscellaneous categories and lists in Wikipedia).</li> <li>Robot and gadget jobs: (The current proposal -- 'Consistency should be checked with proposed property, e.g. "whole thing of" (holonime).' -- seems unnecessary. Requiring these sorts of consistency checks would double the number of properties for each item on Wikidata. The validation seems like it would introduce very little benefit for significant cost.)</li></ul></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Whole-part relations are important for Wikidata to be able to represent. <a href="/wiki/User:Emw" title="User:Emw">Emw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emw" title="User talk:Emw">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Emw-2013-03-16T19:37:00.000Z-Infovarius-2013-03-13T11:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 16 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Question How would this relate to other suggested or existing relations, such as is in, is in administrative unit, country, continent, divides into, member of, belongs to etc? <dl><dd><ul><li>I think this property should be used when no other more particular is appropriate. <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius" title="User talk:Infovarius">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Infovarius-2013-03-21T21:14:00.000Z-Infovarius-2013-03-13T11:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 21 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Question If e.g. Microsoft Word is part of Microsoft Office (is this the way you want to use this property?), why can't I use <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of</a>? Please also see <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P279#Why_do_we_need_this_property.3F" title="Property talk:P279">this discussion</a> and the next section on that discussion page. --<a href="/wiki/User:Faux" title="User:Faux">Faux</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Faux" title="User talk:Faux">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Faux-2013-03-22T08:08:00.000Z-Infovarius-2013-03-13T11:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:08, 22 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>That's a good question. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/SimplePartWhole/">This W3C working draft</a> is helpful reading that describes 'part of' and its potential uses in simple cases. The question of how software suites and their constituent programs could be described with part-whole relations seems slightly more complex. However, I think an example from anatomy shows how 'part of' would be different than <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of</a> in simple part-whole relations:</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><heart> part of <vertebrate organism></li> <li><dog> subclass of <vertebrate organism></li> <li><Fido> instance of <dog></li></ul></dd> <dd>Therefore, Fido has a heart. <a href="/wiki/User:Emw" title="User:Emw">Emw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emw" title="User talk:Emw">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Emw-2013-03-23T03:28:00.000Z-Faux-2013-03-22T08:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:28, 23 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>We will be able to do consequences, cool. <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius" title="User talk:Infovarius">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Infovarius-2013-03-23T20:21:00.000Z-Emw-2013-03-23T03:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 23 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>I think this property has been discussed at length and we have a broad consensus now that we cannot simply use P279 or P31 to replace this property. So I will create it tomorrow if there is no further objection. Besides, I am aware that in some cases it is not very clear which property ("part of" or P279/P31) should be used, I think we could discuss these cases later, case by case. --<a href="/wiki/User:Stevenliuyi" title="User:Stevenliuyi">Stevenliuyi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stevenliuyi" title="User talk:Stevenliuyi">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-26T16:44:00.000Z-Infovarius-2013-03-13T11:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 26 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I understand that there are differences between instance of, subclass of, part of, etc. but the difference it not so clear for me. Could we start a new section in the list of properties which collects these generalizing/specializing properties with specific rules in which case which property has to be used? --<a href="/wiki/User:Faux" title="User:Faux">Faux</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Faux" title="User talk:Faux">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Faux-2013-03-26T22:05:00.000Z-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-26T16:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done as <a href="/wiki/Property:P361" title="Property:P361">P:P361</a>. @Faux: I'm writing <a href="/wiki/User:Stevenliuyi/Differences_among_ontology_properties" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Stevenliuyi/Differences among ontology properties">User:Stevenliuyi/Differences among ontology properties</a>, hope it will make things clear --<a href="/wiki/User:Stevenliuyi" title="User:Stevenliuyi">Stevenliuyi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stevenliuyi" title="User talk:Stevenliuyi">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-27T15:56:00.000Z-Infovarius-2013-03-13T11:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 27 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Great! Definitely useful. We should consider to attach such a listing to all those properties. --<a href="/wiki/User:Faux" title="User:Faux">Faux</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Faux" title="User talk:Faux">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Faux-2013-03-27T21:55:00.000Z-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-27T15:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Commonscat_link" data-mw-thread-id="h-Commonscat_link-Generic_/_Allgemein_/_Général-2013-02-01T17:48:00.000Z">Commonscat link</h3></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P373" title="Property:P373">Property:P373</a> <dl><dd>See also <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#Interwikis_on_Wiktionary_etc." class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:Contact the development team">Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#Interwikis_on_Wiktionary_etc.</a></dd></dl> <ul><li>Description: Commonscat link</li> <li>Datatype:</li> <li>Links: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Commons (page does not exist)">Commons</a></li> <li>Infobox parameter example:</li> <li>Comments: --<a href="/wiki/User:Ymblanter" title="User:Ymblanter">Ymblanter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ymblanter" title="User talk:Ymblanter">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Ymblanter-2013-02-01T17:48:00.000Z-Commonscat_link" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 1 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Neutral I think this should be done by <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Glossary#Sitelink" title="Wikidata:Glossary">sitelinks</a>. I hope that they will support commons in a few month. <a href="/wiki/User:Tpt" title="User:Tpt">Tpt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tpt" title="User talk:Tpt">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Tpt-2013-02-01T17:54:00.000Z-Ymblanter-2013-02-01T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 1 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Weak support Might be useful as there are commons sites like <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata" class="extiw" title="commons:Wikidata">commons:Wikidata</a> and <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikidata" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Wikidata">commons:Category:Wikidata</a>. And I would prefer to link from a page to the page not to the category. And from a Category to a Category. --<a href="/wiki/User:Sk!d" title="User:Sk!d">Sk!d</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sk!d" title="User talk:Sk!d">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Sk!d-2013-02-01T18:56:00.000Z-Ymblanter-2013-02-01T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 1 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Neutral I am with <a href="/wiki/User:Tpt" title="User:Tpt">Tpt</a> that should be a sitelink. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jarekt" title="User:Jarekt">Jarekt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jarekt" title="User talk:Jarekt">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Jarekt-2013-02-05T04:16:00.000Z-Ymblanter-2013-02-01T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - there is often a commonscat and a commons page for the same topic. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Phoebe" title="User:Phoebe">Phoebe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phoebe" title="User talk:Phoebe">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Phoebe-2013-02-24T20:17:00.000Z-Ymblanter-2013-02-01T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:17, 24 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - this property could be very useful to Wikipedias later on. <a href="/wiki/User:Espeso" title="User:Espeso">Espeso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espeso" title="User talk:Espeso">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Espeso-2013-02-25T08:10:00.000Z-Ymblanter-2013-02-01T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:10, 25 February 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment there are commons pages and connonscats for a lot of stuff, not just geographic areas and entities. If there is a plan to introduce this connection to commons through interwikilinks, I think we should wait. - <a href="/wiki/User:Ssolbergj" title="User:Ssolbergj">Ssolbergj</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ssolbergj" title="User talk:Ssolbergj">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Ssolbergj-2013-02-27T03:39:00.000Z-Ymblanter-2013-02-01T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:39, 27 February 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support sitelinks are currently not available for this and it's crucial to link Commons categories. --<a href="/wiki/User:Docu" title="User:Docu">Docu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Docu-2013-02-27T06:10:00.000Z-Ymblanter-2013-02-01T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:10, 27 February 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Here we go: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P174&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P174 (page does not exist)">Property:P174</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Docu" title="User:Docu">Docu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Docu-2013-03-01T13:46:00.000Z-Ymblanter-2013-02-01T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 1 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Doesn't actually work as "item" type --<a href="/wiki/User:Docu" title="User:Docu">Docu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Docu-2013-03-01T13:55:00.000Z-Docu-2013-03-01T13:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 1 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>No, it should be "external link" item or whatever it will be called, but we do not have it yet. I deleted it :|. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Zolo-2013-03-01T15:40:00.000Z-Docu-2013-03-01T13:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Technically it should probably be a string that is wrapped in "http[s]://commons.wikimedia.org//wiki/Category:" to be protocol relative and to store the minimum of information required. Wikidata and/or the data user (e.g. Wikipedia templates) could create the full URL. <a href="/wiki/User:Espeso" title="User:Espeso">Espeso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espeso" title="User talk:Espeso">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Espeso-2013-03-01T15:46:00.000Z-Zolo-2013-03-01T15:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 1 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><ul><li>Too bad. I guess we have to wait for next year ;) -- -- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Docu-2013-03-01T17:11:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-03-01T15:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 1 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Neutral. Might as well wait until this can be done as a sitelink. It's not like we have a shortage of other things to test out in the meanwhile :)—<a href="/wiki/User:Ezhiki" title="User:Ezhiki">Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky)</a> • (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ezhiki" title="User talk:Ezhiki">yo?</a>); March 8, 2013; 19:11 (UTC)</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support infoboxes often contain a link to commons. This would be usefull for that. <a href="/wiki/User:Amphicoelias" title="User:Amphicoelias">Amphicoelias</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amphicoelias" title="User talk:Amphicoelias">Talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Amphicoelias-2013-03-13T14:58:00.000Z-Ymblanter-2013-02-01T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:58, 13 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support, this would be quite helpful when implemented. — <a href="/wiki/User:Cirt" title="User:Cirt">Cirt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cirt" title="User talk:Cirt">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Cirt-2013-03-17T02:07:00.000Z-Ymblanter-2013-02-01T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:07, 17 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose: this should be included as part of the interwiki system, not as a generic property. --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-NaBUru38-2013-03-27T19:59:00.000Z-Ymblanter-2013-02-01T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:59, 27 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment see also the duplicite proposal <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#Commons_category" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic">Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#Commons_category</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Commons" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:Commons">Wikidata:Commons</a> summary.</li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Fully-fledged connection between Commons and Wikipedias should have be thought out thoroughly and implemented before the phase I of WikiData was started. As well as the fact that WD pages are items and should integrate article interwikis and category interwikis of the corresponding item. Commons links should be integral part of the interwiki system. --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-ŠJů-2013-03-31T02:03:00.000Z-Ymblanter-2013-02-01T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:03, 31 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I agree that proper support should be implemented. This property is an intermediate step until we have full Commons support. When we get that we can just convert the data. Up until now Commons category links got updated the interwiki way: Decentral with a lot of efforts, see <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Multichill/Commonscat_stats" class="extiw" title="commons:User:Multichill/Commonscat stats">this page</a> for some statistics. By putting this in a central place we are much more efficient and it doesn't really matter anymore what kind of templates some language Wikipedia use to represent the data.</li> <li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done created <a href="/wiki/Property:P373" title="Property:P373">Property:P373</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Multichill-2013-03-31T07:35:00.000Z-ŠJů-2013-03-31T02:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:35, 31 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Commons_category" data-mw-thread-id="h-Commons_category-Generic_/_Allgemein_/_Général-2013-03-30T20:44:00.000Z">Commons category</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P373" title="Property:P373">Commons category</a> (P373) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P373" title="Property talk:P373">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Name of the Commons category containing files related to this item</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>commons or commonscat in dozens of templates in many languages.</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>No restriction</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Only existing Commons categories are allowed. The name is without the Category: prefix</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>For <a href="/wiki/Q569101" title="Q569101">Q569101</a> it would be Calosoma reticulatum</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjabloon:Taxobox" class="extiw" title="nl:Sjabloon:Taxobox">nl:Sjabloon:Taxobox</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Bots should be collecting this based on current template usage. If a category at Commons gets deleted and/or renamed, Wikidata should be updated. The commonscat.py Pywikipedia script should be updated.</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Multichill-2013-03-30T20:44:00.000Z-Commons_category" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 30 March 2013 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> This property is an intermediate step until we have full Commons support. When we get that we can just convert the data. Up until now Commons category links got updated the interwiki way: Decentral with a lot of efforts, see <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Multichill/Commonscat_stats" class="extiw" title="commons:User:Multichill/Commonscat stats">this page</a> for some statistics. By putting this in a central place we are much more efficient and it doesn't really matter anymore what kind of templates some language Wikipedia use to represent the data. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Multichill-2013-03-30T20:44:00.000Z-Commons_category-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 30 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support surprised me this one did not exist yet. <a href="/wiki/User:Courcelles" title="User:Courcelles">Courcelles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Courcelles" title="User talk:Courcelles">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Courcelles-2013-03-31T00:12:00.000Z-Multichill-2013-03-30T20:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 31 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Duplicite with the older proposal <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Place#Commonscat_link" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Place">Wikidata:Property proposal/Place#Commonscat link</a> with advanced discussion. See also <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Wikimedia_Commons" title="Wikidata:Wikimedia Commons">Wikidata:Wikimedia Commons</a> summary. --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-ŠJů-2013-03-31T01:44:00.000Z-Multichill-2013-03-30T20:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:44, 31 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Didn't find the earlier request, weird location. Created <a href="/wiki/Property:P373" title="Property:P373">Property:P373</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Multichill-2013-03-31T07:32:00.000Z-ŠJů-2013-03-31T01:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:32, 31 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment <a href="/wiki/Q745989" title="Q745989">Q745989</a> is using this with a full url link to the category. Can we expand the 'allowed value' info to make it clear this is the wrong way. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Filceolaire-2013-04-05T06:23:00.000Z-Multichill-2013-03-30T20:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:23, 5 April 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support my comment the same as the user: Courcelles --<a href="/wiki/User:Vhorvat" title="User:Vhorvat">Vhorvat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vhorvat" title="User talk:Vhorvat">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Vhorvat-2013-04-09T00:17:00.000Z-Multichill-2013-03-30T20:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 9 April 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support because it seems that it will take some time to integrate Commons into Wikidata. --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-NaBUru38-2013-04-11T16:44:00.000Z-Multichill-2013-03-30T20:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 11 April 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="seal_description" data-mw-thread-id="h-seal_description-Generic_/_Allgemein_/_Général-2013-03-02T00:56:00.000Z">seal description</h3></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P418" title="Property:P418">Property:P418</a> <ul><li>Description: Wikipedia article describing subject's seal</li> <li>Datatype: Item</li> <li>Links:</li> <li>Infobox parameter example: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_country" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox country">en:Template:Infobox country</a></li> <li>Comments: Similar in purpose to "flag description" and "coat of arms description" (the latter, which <a href="#Coat_of_arms_description_/_/_Description_des_armoiries">is being</a> discussed, should also be made). - <a href="/wiki/User:Ssolbergj" title="User:Ssolbergj">Ssolbergj</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ssolbergj" title="User talk:Ssolbergj">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Ssolbergj-2013-03-02T00:56:00.000Z-seal_description" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:56, 2 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li>Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P418" title="Property:P418">Property:P418</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Docu-2013-04-14T12:34:00.000Z-Ssolbergj-2013-03-02T00:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:34, 14 April 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Authority_control_/_Normdaten_/_Autorité" data-mw-thread-id="h-Authority_control_/_Normdaten_/_Autorité-2013-03-18T13:23:00.000Z">Authority control / Normdaten / Autorité</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="NDL_Authorities_/_Nationale_Parlamentsbibliothek_(NDL)_/_Bibliothèque_nationale_de_la_Diète_(NDL)" data-mw-thread-id="h-NDL_Authorities_/_Nationale_Parlamentsbibliothek_(NDL)_/_Bibliothèque_nationale-Authority_control_/_Normdaten_/_Autorité-2013-03-18T13:23:00.000Z">NDL Authorities / Nationale Parlamentsbibliothek (NDL) / Bibliothèque nationale de la Diète (NDL)</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P349" title="Property:P349">NDL Authority ID</a> (P349) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P349" title="Property talk:P349">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_NDL_Authorities" class="extiw" title="de:Web NDL Authorities">de:Web NDL Authorities</a></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>NDL</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Normdaten" class="extiw" title="ja:Template:Normdaten">ja:Template:Normdaten</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://id.ndl.go.jp/auth/ndlna/">id.ndl.go.jp/auth/ndlna/</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Kolja21-2013-03-18T13:23:00.000Z-NDL_Authorities_/_Nationale_Parlamentsbibliothek_(NDL)_/_Bibliothèque_nationale" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:23, 18 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Fryed-peach" title="User:Fryed-peach">fryed-peach</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fryed-peach" title="User talk:Fryed-peach">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Fryed-peach-2013-03-19T07:33:00.000Z-Kolja21-2013-03-18T13:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:33, 19 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> created as <a href="/wiki/Property:P349" title="Property:P349">Property:P349</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Ricordisamoa" title="User:Ricordisamoa">Ricordi</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ricordisamoa" title="User talk:Ricordisamoa">samoa</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Ricordisamoa-2013-03-25T01:29:00.000Z-Kolja21-2013-03-18T13:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 25 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="ICCU_Authorities" data-mw-thread-id="h-ICCU_Authorities-Authority_control_/_Normdaten_/_Autorité-2013-03-30T10:00:00.000Z">ICCU Authorities</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P396" title="Property:P396">SBN author ID</a> (P396) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P396" title="Property talk:P396">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>author names ICCU (Istituto Centrale per il Catalogo Unico, the Italian national bibliographic agency) authority control number</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>authority control</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>people (authors/writers/musicians)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>the eight-character fixed string in capital letters "IT\ICCU\" followed, without a space, by a three-character alphabetical or alphanumerical string in capital letters (e.g. "CFI" or "RAV" or others), followed (always), without a space, by the capital letter "V" followed (always), without a space, by the slash character "\" followed without a space by a six-number string (e.g. "017574‏")</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><Francesco Petrarca> ICCU <IT\ICCU\CFIV\017574‏></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://viaf.org/">http://viaf.org/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>to be found (we have few possibilities)</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td>Pierfranco Minsenti 09:30, 30 March 2013 (UTC) (proposal modified by <a href="/wiki/User:Aubrey" title="User:Aubrey">Aubrey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aubrey" title="User talk:Aubrey">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Aubrey-2013-03-30T10:00:00.000Z-ICCU_Authorities" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:00, 30 March 2013 (UTC)</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> Hello, I propose to add this new property to the Authority control section: the Italian authority control number, that is the authority control number used by the records provided to VIAF by ICCU (Istituto Centrale per il Catalogo Unico), the Italian national bibliographic agency which is part of the Italian Ministry of Culture. The identifier code for these authority control numbers should be the same used in VIAF, that is: ICCU. This code can be found in records from the VIAF dataset and accompanies records provided by Italy. This code has the same function as other codes in VIAF which are used to identify the originating source, that is the national bibliographic agency which provided authority control records, such as for example the code BNF (which stands for the Bibliothèque Nationale de France), or the code NDL (which identifies Japan's National Diet Library). Since in the English Wikipedia (<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org</a>) the Property proposal/Authority control already contains a few national codes identifying the originating source for authority control numbers, such as BNF, and these are derived from the VIAF dataset import, it seems justifiable to add even the Italian authority control number using the specific code used by the Italian national bibliographic agency as an identifier for their authority control numbers: the code ICCU. This code should provide a link to the VIAF specific page displaying the Italian record. <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support but we shouldn't take VIAF as source, this would only produce low quality dubs. We can look up ICCU at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.sbn.it/opacsbn/opac/iccu/authority.jsp?db=solr_auth">www.sbn.it/opacsbn/opac/iccu/</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Kolja21-2013-03-31T01:51:00.000Z-ICCU_Authorities" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:51, 31 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Strong support but considering Kolja21 advice. --<a href="/wiki/User:Sannita" title="User:Sannita">Sannita</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sannita" title="User talk:Sannita">not just another it.wiki sysop</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Sannita-2013-03-31T08:43:00.000Z-Kolja21-2013-03-31T01:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:43, 31 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>The VIAF has been indicated as the primary source because at the moment we cannot export any data directly from ICCU since they do not provide this service. Instead the full VIAF dataset also contains records provided from ICCU, so at this time we can have records from ICCU only through VIAF. Beside, the ICCU URL you refer to (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.sbn.it/opacsbn/opac/iccu/authority.jsp?db=solr_auth">http://www.sbn.it/opacsbn/opac/iccu/authority.jsp?db=solr_auth</a> www.sbn.it/opacsbn/opac/iccu/), is only a search interface, useful for searching single author names' records one at a time. But we need a full export functionality of the whole ICCU dataset, which, as I said, is a thing not yet provided by ICCU, only by VIAF. <a href="/wiki/User:Pierfrancominsenti" title="User:Pierfrancominsenti">Pierfranco Minsenti</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Pierfrancominsenti-2013-03-31T15:21:00.000Z-Sannita-2013-03-31T08:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:21, 31 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Hurricanefan24" title="User:Hurricanefan24">Hurricanefan24</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hurricanefan24" title="User talk:Hurricanefan24">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Hurricanefan24-2013-03-31T11:17:00.000Z-Kolja21-2013-03-31T01:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:17, 31 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support As Pierfranco says, I think it's just a matter of interpretation to write in th espurce of the data ICCU or VIAF. The original source of the data is ICCU, of course. But they sent their data only at VIAF, and via VIAF we get them. Just decide what to put in the source (I would say ICCU, maybe with a note/reference/comment), and do it. <a href="/wiki/User:Aubrey" title="User:Aubrey">Aubrey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aubrey" title="User talk:Aubrey">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Aubrey-2013-03-31T19:11:00.000Z-Kolja21-2013-03-31T01:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 31 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done, <a href="/wiki/Property:P396" title="Property:P396">Property:P396</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Legoktm" title="User:Legoktm">Legoktm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Legoktm" title="User talk:Legoktm">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Legoktm-2013-04-06T19:57:00.000Z-ICCU_Authorities" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 6 April 2013 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="NLA" data-mw-thread-id="h-NLA-Authority_control_/_Normdaten_/_Autorité-2013-03-25T12:02:00.000Z">NLA</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P409" title="Property:P409">Libraries Australia ID</a> (P409) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P409" title="Property talk:P409">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>the subject's NLA (National Library of Australia) authority control number</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>authority control</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>people (authors/writers/musicians)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>\d{12}</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><Andrew Barton Patterson> NLA <000035411562></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://nla.gov.au/anbd.aut-an000035411562">http://nla.gov.au/anbd.aut-an000035411562</a></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td> — <a href="/wiki/User:Billinghurst" title="User:Billinghurst">billinghurst</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Billinghurst" title="User talk:Billinghurst">sDrewth</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Billinghurst-2013-03-25T12:02:00.000Z-NLA" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> alternates are "Libraries Australia Authorities", though current exists in <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Authority_control" class="extiw" title="commons:Template:Authority control">Commons:Template:Authority control</a> as NLA; noting that VIAF refers to a url without the leading 0000, ie. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://nla.gov.au/anbd.aut-an35411562">http://nla.gov.au/anbd.aut-an35411562</a> (both work) (hope that I got this right) — <a href="/wiki/User:Billinghurst" title="User:Billinghurst">billinghurst</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Billinghurst" title="User talk:Billinghurst">sDrewth</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Billinghurst-2013-03-25T12:02:00.000Z-NLA-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Hurricanefan24" title="User:Hurricanefan24">Hurricanefan24</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hurricanefan24" title="User talk:Hurricanefan24">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Hurricanefan24-2013-03-28T18:51:00.000Z-Billinghurst-2013-03-25T12:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:51, 28 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Thanks for the link (that VIAF is not providing). --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Kolja21-2013-03-29T17:42:00.000Z-Billinghurst-2013-03-25T12:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 29 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment, your example has only digits. Therefore I'm asking me if we shouldn't use the data type 'numbers'? However, not sure if this upcoming data type would cut of the leading zeros. I suggest to wait till data type number exist and how it works and then decide which data type we should use. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nightwish62" title="User:Nightwish62">Nightwish62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nightwish62" title="User talk:Nightwish62">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Nightwish62-2013-03-30T19:33:00.000Z-Billinghurst-2013-03-25T12:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:33, 30 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Person_/_Person_/_Personne" data-mw-thread-id="h-Person_/_Person_/_Personne-2013-02-21T18:24:00.000Z">Person / Person / Personne</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="cause_of_death" data-mw-thread-id="h-cause_of_death-Person_/_Person_/_Personne-2013-02-21T18:24:00.000Z">cause of death</h3></div> <ul><li>Description: The chain of events -- diseases, injuries, or complications -- that directly caused death. Do not enter terminal events such as cardiac arrest, respiratory arrest, or ventricular fibrillation without showing the cause (i.e., <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiology" class="extiw" title="en:Etiology">etiology</a>)</li> <li>Datatype: item</li> <li>Links:</li> <li>Domain: people (and, in rare cases, other living things)</li> <li>Infobox parameter example: yes, in English biography infoboxes</li> <li>Comments: Sourcing is important here. I intend this to have a value related to a disease or an action (suicide, murder). <a href="/wiki/User:Espeso" title="User:Espeso">Espeso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espeso" title="User talk:Espeso">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Espeso-2013-02-21T18:24:00.000Z-cause_of_death" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:24, 21 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Danrok" title="User:Danrok">Danrok</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danrok" title="User talk:Danrok">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Danrok-2013-02-21T20:07:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-02-21T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 21 February 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose good thing to write in the article but not necessary as a property.--<a href="/wiki/User:Giftzwerg_88" title="User:Giftzwerg 88">Giftzwerg 88</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giftzwerg_88" title="User talk:Giftzwerg 88">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Giftzwerg_88-2013-02-24T18:42:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-02-21T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 24 February 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment it exists in some infoboxes, see for example <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Turpin">Dick Turpin</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Danrok" title="User:Danrok">Danrok</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danrok" title="User talk:Danrok">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Danrok-2013-02-25T16:43:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-02-21T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 25 February 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support I wish a lots of such items in easily accessible formats in a kind of second level, called: details or something in common, somewhat grouped together. For example let's just put your mouse on it and open up a new block from the main, and close when removed. --<a href="/wiki/User:Vhorvat" title="User:Vhorvat">Vhorvat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vhorvat" title="User talk:Vhorvat">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Vhorvat-2013-02-25T23:27:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-02-21T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 25 February 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li>Despite one oppose this doesn't seem controversial to me. It is factual information. Can we get a consensus to create or a more detailed reason not to? <a href="/wiki/User:Espeso" title="User:Espeso">Espeso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espeso" title="User talk:Espeso">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Espeso-2013-02-26T20:56:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-02-21T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 26 February 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Shawn_in_Montreal" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Shawn in Montreal">Shawn in Montreal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shawn_in_Montreal" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Shawn in Montreal">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Shawn_in_Montreal-2013-02-26T20:58:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-02-21T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 26 February 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose pending clearer definition. If a soldier gets shot to death in a training accident, what's the cause of death? "Gunshot wound" (the intuitive answer), whatever the precise medical cause was, or "line of duty" (which is what would be written on the official death certificate)? — <a href="/wiki/User:PinkAmpersand" title="User:PinkAmpersand">PinkAmpers</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PinkAmpersand" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:PinkAmpersand">&(Je vous invite à me parler)</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-PinkAmpersand-2013-02-27T02:17:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-02-21T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:17, 27 February 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>The description has been updated to be clearer. Does that address your concern? <a href="/wiki/User:Emw" title="User:Emw">Emw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emw" title="User talk:Emw">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Emw-2013-03-17T22:59:00.000Z-PinkAmpersand-2013-02-27T02:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 17 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support This is needed, but I would wait for the "MultilingualTextValue" datatype in case the cause of death is not notable. <a href="/wiki/User:Allen4names" title="User:Allen4names">Allen4names</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Allen4names" title="User talk:Allen4names">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Allen4names-2013-03-01T06:38:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-02-21T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:38, 1 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose, see PinkAmpers. I like the idea but it sould be cleared what is meant exactly. -- <a href="/wiki/User:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User:MichaelSchoenitzer">MichaelSchoenitzer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User talk:MichaelSchoenitzer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-MichaelSchoenitzer-2013-03-09T14:54:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-02-21T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 9 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cause_of_death" class="extiw" title="en:Cause of death">Cause of death</a> is an important piece of structured data for persons. <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Michael_Jackson_death_certificate.jpg" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Michael Jackson death certificate.jpg"> An official death certificate released by California in 2009</a> shows a prominent field for 'cause of death'. The certificate's description of the property seems useful to apply here: "Enter the chain of events -- diseases, injuries, or complications -- that directly caused death. DO NOT enter terminal events such as cardiac arrest, respiratory arrest, or ventricular fibrillation without showing the [<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiology" class="extiw" title="en:Etiology">cause</a>]." The certificate gives instructions to list immediate cause of death first, and underlying cause of death last. This report by the World Health Organization gives some reasonable values for this property, and an indication of its importance: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.who.int/whr/2004/annex/topic/en/annex_2_en.pdf">http://www.who.int/whr/2004/annex/topic/en/annex_2_en.pdf</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Emw" title="User:Emw">Emw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emw" title="User talk:Emw">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Emw-2013-03-13T00:03:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-02-21T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 13 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose cause of death would be in the most cases not one word or one sentence but a whole story--<a href="/wiki/User:Svebert" title="User:Svebert">Svebert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Svebert" title="User talk:Svebert">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Svebert-2013-03-14T15:23:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-02-21T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 14 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>(reply) User:Emw just provided plenty of evidence that your assertion is not necessarily true. Nobody wants to pigeonhole the cause of death, but in many cases it is straightforward to document. Has anyone observed <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Causes_of_death" class="extiw" title="en:Category:Causes of death">en:Category:Causes of death</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Deaths_by_cause" class="extiw" title="en:Category:Deaths by cause">en:Category:Deaths by cause</a> (applied to individual biographies)? This category system wouldn't exist if the concerns about how to document it were well-founded. I understand that some causes of death are not suitable to the "item" type, but frankly, most are, and in more complicated cases the cause of death becomes too complicated to document on Wikidata anyway. <a href="/wiki/User:Espeso" title="User:Espeso">Espeso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espeso" title="User talk:Espeso">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Espeso-2013-03-14T16:50:00.000Z-Svebert-2013-03-14T15:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 14 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose per many reasons above. --<a href="/wiki/User:Stryn" title="User:Stryn">Stryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stryn" title="User talk:Stryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Stryn-2013-03-16T08:55:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-02-21T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:55, 16 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose If you can describe all possible causes of death in less than 20 options, Ok, if not, this property is useless because a db need a accurate classification in order to filter the data. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Snipre-2013-03-16T09:03:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-02-21T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:03, 16 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>What do you mean? Properties like <a href="/wiki/Property:P22" title="Property:P22">father</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P127" title="Property:P127">owned by</a> take many more than 20 options, and are among the most used properties. <a href="/wiki/User:Emw" title="User:Emw">Emw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emw" title="User talk:Emw">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Emw-2013-03-16T20:27:00.000Z-Snipre-2013-03-16T09:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 16 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>The interest of a DB is not to have a lot of details in a structure, but to offer a possibility to connect or to compare information. The cause of death is interesting for a person but we don't need a database for that, a simple text is enough. What is interesting for a database is the possibility to perform a connection. In case of cause of death that is possible only if we can group all causes in a small number of defined conditions and if everybody uses it in order to allow extraction of all persons having the same cause of death for example. Again if you connect 2 informations but this connection is not available in others cases, there is no interest for this connection in a db and the wikitext is suffisant. A db is not an collection of isolated tables but you have to link the tables together in order to allow the search of the same information in all tables meaning the need of the same classification and use of terms. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Snipre-2013-03-16T22:03:00.000Z-Emw-2013-03-16T20:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 16 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>Wikidata is not merely a database, it is a project to structure all knowledge. This is a vital property that demographers, historians, public health professionals and much of the general public cares about. 'Cause of death' may have many possible values, but so can 'occupation', 'type' and many other immensely useful properties. Like those other important properties, the fact that this one would need to be stored as a VARCHAR instead of an ENUM in a database does not detract from its value as a piece of structured data. <a href="/wiki/User:Emw" title="User:Emw">Emw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emw" title="User talk:Emw">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Emw-2013-03-16T22:23:00.000Z-Snipre-2013-03-16T22:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 16 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>I'm not sure, sometimes it's relevant and sometimes it's not. --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-NaBUru38-2013-03-19T19:14:00.000Z-cause_of_death" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 19 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li>Hmm... this will exist one day, but apparently not on my accord. <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done <a href="/wiki/User:Espeso" title="User:Espeso">Espeso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espeso" title="User talk:Espeso">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Espeso-2013-03-20T03:42:00.000Z-cause_of_death" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 20 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Indirect_relations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Indirect_relations-Person_/_Person_/_Personne-2013-03-14T16:43:00.000Z">Indirect relations</h3></div> <ul><li>Description: Proposed: "niece/nephew" aunt and uncle exist, "cousin", "grandchild" grandparent exists, "parent-in-law", "sibling-in-law", "child-in-law"</li> <li>Datatype: Item</li> <li>Domain: Person</li> <li>Comments: It is interesting to document the relations between people. Indirect relations are harder to document on Wikidata because the "intermediate" people may not have entries, and may indeed not warrant entries. As such, the six properties above allow for more statements about relations to be made directly. In adding biographical data to entries on people, I have encountered the need to document these on many occasions. If you think I'm crazy to make this a single request, that's fine! I'm tired of extended debate on rather obvious/uncontroversial properties. If they're factual, give it a try and if they don't get used much, then we have our answer as to their value. None of the properties listed above are gender-specific, in line with preferred practice to date. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Espeso" title="User:Espeso">Espeso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espeso" title="User talk:Espeso">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Espeso-2013-03-14T16:43:00.000Z-Indirect_relations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 14 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose, these facts and be derived. --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-NaBUru38-2013-03-19T19:24:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-03-14T16:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 19 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Yair_rand-2013-03-20T00:29:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-03-14T16:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:29, 20 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li>As usual, loads of reasoning in the opposition votes and plain untruths. "The facts can be derived"? As I said, they're indirect relations. The intermediate items don't exist. <a href="/wiki/User:Espeso" title="User:Espeso">Espeso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espeso" title="User talk:Espeso">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Espeso-2013-03-20T03:07:00.000Z-Indirect_relations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:07, 20 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done <a href="/wiki/User:Espeso" title="User:Espeso">Espeso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espeso" title="User talk:Espeso">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Espeso-2013-03-20T03:42:00.000Z-Indirect_relations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 20 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li>strong <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support I see a need to have properties nephew, uncle and cousin in connection with cardinals and popes, because otherwise one cannot understand the relations.</li></ul> We even have <a href="/wiki/Q161165" title="Q161165">nepotism (Q161165)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q1644977" title="Q1644977">list of cardinal-nephews (Q1644977)</a>. Many famous painters married sisters of famous painters. To document this we need brother-in-law, because the sisters have no entry.--<a href="/wiki/User:Oursana" title="User:Oursana">Oursana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oursana" title="User talk:Oursana">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Oursana-2014-01-31T15:14:00.000Z-Indirect_relations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 31 January 2014 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Military_rank" data-mw-thread-id="h-Military_rank-Person_/_Person_/_Personne-2013-03-12T21:34:00.000Z">Military rank</h3></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P410" title="Property:P410">Property:P410</a> <ul><li>Description: the highest military rank achieved by a person</li> <li>Datatype: Item</li> <li>Domain: Person</li> <li>Infobox parameter example: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_military_person" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox military person">en:Template:Infobox military person</a></li> <li>Comments: the rank should be specific, such as <a href="/wiki/Q2608441" title="Q2608441">Q2608441</a> (United States General), not generic <a href="/wiki/Q83460" title="Q83460">Q83460</a> (General) --<a href="/wiki/User:Stevenliuyi" title="User:Stevenliuyi">Stevenliuyi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stevenliuyi" title="User talk:Stevenliuyi">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-12T21:34:00.000Z-Military_rank" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 12 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Goldzahn" title="User:Goldzahn">Goldzahn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldzahn" title="User talk:Goldzahn">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Goldzahn-2013-03-13T10:30:00.000Z-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-12T21:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:30, 13 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment I would think it would be best to wait until we have date qualifiers. That way, we should be able to create the whole biography (Colin Powell: Colonel in 1876? general in 1989...). --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Zolo-2013-03-13T10:33:00.000Z-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-12T21:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:33, 13 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Yes, it's a better way to do it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Stevenliuyi" title="User:Stevenliuyi">Stevenliuyi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stevenliuyi" title="User talk:Stevenliuyi">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-14T18:42:00.000Z-Zolo-2013-03-13T10:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 14 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support, with Stevenliuyi's addition. --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-NaBUru38-2013-03-19T19:19:00.000Z-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-12T21:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Yep. — <a href="/wiki/User:Hahc21" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hahc21">ΛΧΣ</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hahc21" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Hahc21">21</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Hahc21-2013-03-26T04:37:00.000Z-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-12T21:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:37, 26 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-03-28T17:07:00.000Z-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-12T21:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 28 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li>Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P410" title="Property:P410">Property:P410</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Docu-2013-04-14T09:02:00.000Z-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-12T21:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:02, 14 April 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="canonization_status_/_/_/_stato_di_canonizzazione" data-mw-thread-id="h-canonization_status_/_/_/_stato_di_canonizzazione-Person_/_Person_/_Personne-2013-03-24T08:23:00.000Z">canonization status / / / stato di canonizzazione</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P411" title="Property:P411">canonization status</a> (P411) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P411" title="Property talk:P411">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>a person's canonization status</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>not known</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>saints, etc.</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>e.g. <a href="/wiki/Q51621" title="Q51621">Canonization</a> or <a href="/wiki/Q51620" title="Q51620">Beatification</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q989" title="Q989">John Paul II</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q51620" title="Q51620">Beatification</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>wikipedia</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>possibly later</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Ricordisamoa" title="User:Ricordisamoa">Ricordi</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ricordisamoa" title="User talk:Ricordisamoa">samoa</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Ricordisamoa-2013-03-24T08:23:00.000Z-canonization_status_/_/_/_stato_di_canonizzazione" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:23, 24 March 2013 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <ul><li>Also <a href="/wiki/Q869974" title="Q869974">servant of God</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q51619" title="Q51619">Venerable</a> per <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Canonization" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Canonization">en:Template:Canonization</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:MF-Warburg" title="User:MF-Warburg">MF-W</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-MF-Warburg-2013-04-08T22:32:00.000Z-Ricordisamoa-2013-03-24T08:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Of course! --<a href="/wiki/User:Ricordisamoa" title="User:Ricordisamoa">Ricordi</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ricordisamoa" title="User talk:Ricordisamoa">samoa</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Ricordisamoa-2013-04-08T22:35:00.000Z-MF-Warburg-2013-04-08T22:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="voice_type_/_/_/_tipo_di_voce_(IT)" data-mw-thread-id="h-voice_type_/_/_/_tipo_di_voce_(IT)-Person_/_Person_/_Personne-2013-03-29T03:01:00.000Z">voice type / / / tipo di voce (IT)</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P412" title="Property:P412">voice type</a> (P412) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P412" title="Property talk:P412">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:voice_type" class="extiw" title="w:en:voice type">w:en:voice type</a> of singer.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Singers. Mostly classical, but may be applicable to mass-culture ones.</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:voice_type" class="extiw" title="w:en:voice type">w:en:voice type</a> .</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q170726" title="Q170726">Enrico Caruso</a> voice type is <a href="/wiki/Q27914" title="Q27914">tenor</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>data is extractable from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Category:Singers_by_voice_type" class="extiw" title="w:en:Category:Singers by voice type">w:en:Category:Singers by voice type</a></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:EugeneZelenko" title="User:EugeneZelenko">EugeneZelenko</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EugeneZelenko" title="User talk:EugeneZelenko">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-EugeneZelenko-2013-03-29T03:01:00.000Z-voice_type_/_/_/_tipo_di_voce_(IT)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:01, 29 March 2013 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Superm401" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Superm401">Superm401</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Superm401" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Superm401">Talk</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Superm401-2013-04-08T18:09:00.000Z-EugeneZelenko-2013-03-29T03:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:09, 8 April 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-NaBUru38-2013-04-11T16:47:00.000Z-EugeneZelenko-2013-03-29T03:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 11 April 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="position_(on_team)" data-mw-thread-id="h-position_(on_team)-Person_/_Person_/_Personne-2013-04-01T06:40:00.000Z">position (on team)</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P413" title="Property:P413">position played on team / speciality</a> (P413) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P413" title="Property talk:P413">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>What position the player plays (ex: defenceman, pitcher, goalie)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>put infobox parameter here if existing, e.g. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_ice_hockey_player" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox ice hockey player">en:Template:Infobox ice hockey player</a> position</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>sportsperson</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>any position</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q434899" title="Q434899">Joe Thornton</a> <position> <a href="/wiki/Q2583758" title="Q2583758">centre</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Infobox I guess</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>My bot is ready to import this data for all hockey players.</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Legoktm" title="User:Legoktm">Legoktm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Legoktm" title="User talk:Legoktm">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Legoktm-2013-04-01T06:40:00.000Z-position_(on_team)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:40, 1 April 2013 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support, it's essential. --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-NaBUru38-2013-04-11T16:48:00.000Z-Legoktm-2013-04-01T06:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 11 April 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Organization_/_Organisation_/_Organisation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Organization_/_Organisation_/_Organisation-2013-02-28T07:31:00.000Z">Organization / Organisation / Organisation</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="stock_exchange" data-mw-thread-id="h-stock_exchange-Organization_/_Organisation_/_Organisation-2013-02-28T07:31:00.000Z">stock exchange</h4></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P414" title="Property:P414">Property:P414</a> <ul><li>Description: The stock exchange on which this organisation is traded.</li> <li>Datatype: Item</li> <li>Links: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_company" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox company">en:Template:Infobox company</a></li> <li>Infobox parameter example: |traded_as =</li> <li>Comments: Hope the description is written in a correct English. --<a href="/wiki/User:Goldzahn" title="User:Goldzahn">Goldzahn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldzahn" title="User talk:Goldzahn">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Goldzahn-2013-02-28T07:31:00.000Z-stock_exchange" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 28 February 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Danrok" title="User:Danrok">Danrok</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danrok" title="User talk:Danrok">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Danrok-2013-02-28T20:21:00.000Z-Goldzahn-2013-02-28T07:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 28 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>Qualifer required: ticker symbol and stock exchange are a package. If there were two properties, one for each, and a company was listed on two or three markets, you wouldn't be able to determine from the data which symbol went with which market. As such ticker needs to be a qualifier of market, or vice versa. <a href="/wiki/User:Espeso" title="User:Espeso">Espeso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espeso" title="User talk:Espeso">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Espeso-2013-03-02T03:59:00.000Z-Goldzahn-2013-02-28T07:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:59, 2 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Symbol_wait.svg/18px-Symbol_wait.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="19" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Symbol_wait.svg/27px-Symbol_wait.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Symbol_wait.svg/36px-Symbol_wait.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Wait until we have qualifiers before creating this property as "Item". Per above, this needs to be a qualifier of "ticker symbol", because the two are dependent, and "ticker symbol" has now been created. <a href="/wiki/User:Espeso" title="User:Espeso">Espeso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espeso" title="User talk:Espeso">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Espeso-2013-03-10T06:45:00.000Z-Goldzahn-2013-02-28T07:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:45, 10 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>The ticker is more a qualifier of the stock exchange than the contrary. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Greenski&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Greenski (page does not exist)">Greenski</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greenski" title="User talk:Greenski">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Greenski-2013-04-08T14:15:00.000Z-Goldzahn-2013-02-28T07:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:15, 8 April 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-NaBUru38-2013-03-27T19:37:00.000Z-Goldzahn-2013-02-28T07:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 27 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Greenski&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Greenski (page does not exist)">Greenski</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greenski" title="User talk:Greenski">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Greenski-2013-04-08T14:15:00.000Z-Goldzahn-2013-02-28T07:31:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:15, 8 April 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P414" title="Property:P414">Property:P414</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Docu-2013-04-14T10:21:00.000Z-Goldzahn-2013-02-28T07:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 14 April 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Event_/_Veranstaltung_/_Évènement" data-mw-thread-id="h-Event_/_Veranstaltung_/_Évènement">Event / Veranstaltung / Évènement</h2></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Creative_work_/_Werk_/_Œuvre_créative" data-mw-thread-id="h-Creative_work_/_Werk_/_Œuvre_créative-2013-02-21T13:04:00.000Z">Creative work / Werk / Œuvre créative</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discography" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discography-Creative_work_/_Werk_/_Œuvre_créative-2013-02-21T13:04:00.000Z">Discography</h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Number_of_album" data-mw-thread-id="h-Number_of_album-Discography-2013-02-21T13:04:00.000Z">Number of album</h5></div> <ul><li>Description: number of album</li> <li>Datatype: Item</li> <li>Links: Musicbrainz</li> <li>Infobox parameter example:</li> <li>Comments: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/it:Template:Tracce" class="extiw" title="w:it:Template:Tracce">w:it:Template:Tracce</a>. --★ <a href="/wiki/User:Airon90" title="User:Airon90">→ A</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Airon90" title="Special:Contributions/Airon90">ir</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airon90" title="User talk:Airon90">on 90</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Airon90-2013-02-21T13:04:00.000Z-Number_of_album" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Can you explain more about this one? Should data type be integer? <a href="/wiki/User:Danrok" title="User:Danrok">Danrok</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danrok" title="User talk:Danrok">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Danrok-2013-02-25T01:55:00.000Z-Number_of_album" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 25 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>What's the number of Live at Texas album by Linkin Park? Do live, best hits, remixed albums count? --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-NaBUru38-2013-02-25T23:23:00.000Z-Danrok-2013-02-25T01:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:23, 25 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>If this proposal means it, then I have to oppose. Redundant property IMO. Is it used in it-wiki template? --<a href="/wiki/User:Stryn" title="User:Stryn">Stryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stryn" title="User talk:Stryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Stryn-2013-02-26T13:23:00.000Z-NaBUru38-2013-02-25T23:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:23, 26 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Type_of_object" data-mw-thread-id="h-Type_of_object-Creative_work_/_Werk_/_Œuvre_créative-2013-03-05T10:37:00.000Z">Type of object</h3></div> <ul><li>Description: type of object (sculpture, painting, tombstone etc.)</li> <li>Datatype: Item</li> <li>Links:</li> <li>Domain: Creative work</li> <li>Infobox:</li> <li>Comments: especially useful for archeological artefacts (we certainly need to tell somewhere that <a href="/wiki/Q6004980" title="Q6004980">Q6004980</a> is a "kudurru"). But I am not sure about the scope. For instance, should "type of building" be included here. Sometimes boundaries between large "classes" of material objects can be fuzzy. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Zolo-2013-03-05T10:37:00.000Z-Type_of_object" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 5 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose Why not use <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">Is a(n)</a>? Your list of allowed subject items includes "etc", so the software does not need this specific type to check that only allowed types are entered. <a href="/wiki/User:Mange01" title="User:Mange01">Mange01</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mange01" title="User talk:Mange01">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Mange01-2013-03-07T02:27:00.000Z-Type_of_object" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:27, 7 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_artwork" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox artwork">en:Template:Infobox artwork</a> has a parameter "tpye" that is identical with the property "material" (<a href="/wiki/Property:P186" title="Property:P186">Property:P186</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Kolja21-2013-03-07T04:11:00.000Z-Type_of_object" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:11, 7 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Yes, the only infobox I see using this property is <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Infobox_Art%C3%A9fact_arch%C3%A9ologique" class="extiw" title="fr:Modèle:Infobox Artéfact archéologique">fr:Modèle:Infobox Artéfact archéologique</a>. On the other hand, paintings and sculptures usually have separate infoboxes, which also provides some info about the type. Using the "is a" property is ok with me, but if we do not want to have "type of object", I think we should not have <a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">type of building</a> either (I created that one because of the apparent consensus after 3 weeks). To keep things consisent I think we have 3 possible solutions: <ul><li>create this property and leave the reste as is</li> <li>create a new property that would merge type of object and the current "type of building" property</li> <li>delete "type of building" and always use <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">P:P31</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Zolo-2013-03-12T22:02:00.000Z-Kolja21-2013-03-07T04:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 12 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>I would use for type-of-object the is-a property, because the proposed property “type of object“ differs not enough from is-a and does not seem to be specialized enough. Whereas I think the “type of building” proeprty can be kept. It is way more specific than is-a. Nobody would use it for things like a sheep is-an animal (A sheep type-of-building is-an animal ;) ).</dd> <dd>I see it like this: There are many properties which function as “this item belongs to the class of these items“ or “this item is an instance of that item“. The generic properties for these relations are is-a and generalized-by. But this does not mean that we must not have more specific properties with the same function.--<a href="/wiki/User:Svebert" title="User:Svebert">Svebert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Svebert" title="User talk:Svebert">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Svebert-2013-03-15T15:18:00.000Z-Zolo-2013-03-12T22:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 15 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I believe that this is more general propose. See mine below: <a href="#PART_OF_/_Часть">#PART OF / Часть</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius" title="User talk:Infovarius">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Infovarius-2013-03-15T18:41:00.000Z-Svebert-2013-03-15T15:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:41, 15 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose This property is redundant with <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">Property:P31</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">Property:P279</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Emw" title="User:Emw">Emw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emw" title="User talk:Emw">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Emw-2013-03-17T23:23:00.000Z-Type_of_object" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:23, 17 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose per Emw. --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-NaBUru38-2013-03-19T19:30:00.000Z-Emw-2013-03-17T23:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 19 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="software" data-mw-thread-id="h-software-Creative_work_/_Werk_/_Œuvre_créative-2013-03-08T00:23:00.000Z">software</h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="operating_system_/_Betriebssystem" data-mw-thread-id="h-operating_system_/_Betriebssystem-software-2013-03-12T21:41:00.000Z">operating system / Betriebssystem</h4></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P306" title="Property:P306">Property:P306</a> <ul><li>Description: operating system (OS) on which a software works</li> <li>Infobox parameter: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_software" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox software">en:template:Infobox software</a>: operating system.</li> <li>Datatype: Item</li> <li>Domain: don't know, Software</li> <li>Allowed values:</li> <li>Source: named infobox</li> <li>Example item and value:</li> <li>Robot and gadget jobs:</li> <li>Comments:</li></ul> <dl><dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Reaper35" title="User:Reaper35">#Reaper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reaper35" title="User talk:Reaper35">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Reaper35-2013-03-12T21:41:00.000Z-operating_system_/_Betriebssystem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 12 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support -- <a href="/wiki/User:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User:MichaelSchoenitzer">MichaelSchoenitzer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User talk:MichaelSchoenitzer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-MichaelSchoenitzer-2013-03-13T22:29:00.000Z-Reaper35-2013-03-12T21:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:29, 13 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-NaBUru38-2013-03-19T19:41:00.000Z-Reaper35-2013-03-12T21:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:41, 19 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Toru10" title="User:Toru10">Toru10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toru10" title="User talk:Toru10">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Toru10-2013-03-20T18:39:00.000Z-Reaper35-2013-03-12T21:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 20 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done - <a href="/wiki/Property:P306" title="Property:P306">Property:P306</a> -- <a href="/wiki/User:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User:MichaelSchoenitzer">MichaelSchoenitzer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User talk:MichaelSchoenitzer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-MichaelSchoenitzer-2013-03-21T15:51:00.000Z-operating_system_/_Betriebssystem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:51, 21 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="License" data-mw-thread-id="h-License-software-2013-03-23T23:58:00.000Z">License</h4></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P275" title="Property:P275">copyright license</a> (P275) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P275" title="Property talk:P275">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>software</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>GPL, BSD etc</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Nashev" title="User:Nashev">Nashev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nashev" title="User talk:Nashev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Nashev-2013-03-23T23:58:00.000Z-License" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:58, 23 March 2013 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done Already exists! P275 -- <a href="/wiki/User:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User:MichaelSchoenitzer">MichaelSchoenitzer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User talk:MichaelSchoenitzer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-MichaelSchoenitzer-2013-03-24T16:15:00.000Z-License" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 24 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Originallanguage_/_Originalsprache_/_Langue_original" data-mw-thread-id="h-Originallanguage_/_Originalsprache_/_Langue_original-software-2013-03-08T00:23:00.000Z">Originallanguage / Originalsprache / Langue original</h4></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P364" title="Property:P364">Property:P364</a> <ul><li>Description: languages in with the book, movie, etc. was originally created</li> <li>Datatype: Item</li> <li>Links:</li> <li>Domain: Creative work</li> <li>Comments:</li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User:MichaelSchoenitzer">MichaelSchoenitzer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User talk:MichaelSchoenitzer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-MichaelSchoenitzer-2013-03-08T00:23:00.000Z-Originallanguage_/_Originalsprache_/_Langue_original" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 8 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Janjko" title="User:Janjko">Janjko</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Janjko" title="User talk:Janjko">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Janjko-2013-03-19T15:58:00.000Z-MichaelSchoenitzer-2013-03-08T00:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 19 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. Don't forget adding multiple languages to Babel and Inglorious Basterds, for example. --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-NaBUru38-2013-03-19T19:29:00.000Z-MichaelSchoenitzer-2013-03-08T00:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 19 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Viscontino&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Viscontino (page does not exist)">Viscontino</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Viscontino" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Viscontino">talk</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Viscontino-2013-03-26T10:15:00.000Z-MichaelSchoenitzer-2013-03-08T00:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:15, 26 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done -- <a href="/wiki/Property:P364" title="Property:P364">P364</a> -- <a href="/wiki/User:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User:MichaelSchoenitzer">MichaelSchoenitzer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User talk:MichaelSchoenitzer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-MichaelSchoenitzer-2013-03-28T00:28:00.000Z-Originallanguage_/_Originalsprache_/_Langue_original" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 28 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Film" data-mw-thread-id="h-Film-Creative_work_/_Werk_/_Œuvre_créative-2013-02-26T02:23:00.000Z">Film</h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="IMDb_title,_IMDb_name_/_IMDb_Rolle,_IMDb_Name_/_IMDb_titre,_IMDb_nom" data-mw-thread-id="h-IMDb_title,_IMDb_name_/_IMDb_Rolle,_IMDb_Name_/_IMDb_titre,_IMDb_nom-Film-2013-03-14T05:56:00.000Z">IMDb title, IMDb name / IMDb Rolle, IMDb Name / IMDb titre, IMDb nom</h4></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P345" title="Property:P345">Property:P345</a> <ul><li>Description: ID number on the <a href="/wiki/Q37312" title="Q37312">Internet Movie Database</a> for the title and name.</li> <li>Infobox parameter: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:IMDb_title" class="extiw" title="en:Template:IMDb title">en:Template:IMDb title</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:IMDb_episode" class="extiw" title="en:Template:IMDb episode">en:Template:IMDb episode</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:IMDb_name" class="extiw" title="en:Template:IMDb name">en:Template:IMDb name</a>.</li> <li>Datatype: Numerical</li> <li>Domain: Creative work, Person</li> <li>Allowed values: 7-digit long numerical values</li> <li>Source: Wikipedia templates</li> <li>Example item and value: On <a href="/wiki/Q172241" title="Q172241">Shawshank Redemption</a>, the number for "IMDb title" would be "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111161/">0111161</a>". For <a href="/wiki/Q37079" title="Q37079">Tom Cruise</a>, the number for "IMDb name" would be <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000129/">0000129</a></li> <li>Robot and gadget jobs: ?</li> <li>Comment: Note that this is actually two related properties. Other possibilities include "IMDb character", "IMDb company", etc. <a href="/wiki/User:FallingGravity" title="User:FallingGravity">FallingGravity</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FallingGravity" title="User talk:FallingGravity">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-FallingGravity-2013-03-14T05:56:00.000Z-IMDb_title,_IMDb_name_/_IMDb_Rolle,_IMDb_Name_/_IMDb_titre,_IMDb_nom" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:56, 14 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support As a member of the Film WikiProject, I'm more familiar with the Wikipedia templates for title and person, and I imagine those would be the most needed. <a href="/wiki/User:Shawn_in_Montreal" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Shawn in Montreal">Shawn in Montreal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shawn_in_Montreal" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Shawn in Montreal">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Shawn_in_Montreal-2013-03-17T01:52:00.000Z-IMDb_title,_IMDb_name_/_IMDb_Rolle,_IMDb_Name_/_IMDb_titre,_IMDb_nom" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I'm confused: if a given Wikidata entry/Wikipedia article only treats one IMDB entity (movie, actor, etc), then we could have a single "IMDB identifier" property. Is my assumption correct (without getting into rare exceptions that prove the rule)? <a href="/wiki/User:Espeso" title="User:Espeso">Espeso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espeso" title="User talk:Espeso">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Espeso-2013-03-17T01:56:00.000Z-Shawn_in_Montreal-2013-03-17T01:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 17 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>There are different templates used to recognize different classes of IMDb ID codes: such as film titles or people's names. With these templates, one simply has to paste in the final digits of the URL in order to produce a link with the subject name. I think that these numbers may be reused in different classes of IMDb entries, meaning that we would need a range of properties. But that's just an assumption, not sure. --<a href="/wiki/User:Shawn_in_Montreal" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Shawn in Montreal">Shawn in Montreal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shawn_in_Montreal" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Shawn in Montreal">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Shawn_in_Montreal-2013-03-17T02:21:00.000Z-Espeso-2013-03-17T01:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 17 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>There is a prefix (tt, nm, ch.....) before the ID in IMDB URL. Can we also use these prefixes to distinguish different classes? --<a href="/wiki/User:Stevenliuyi" title="User:Stevenliuyi">Stevenliuyi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stevenliuyi" title="User talk:Stevenliuyi">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-17T02:33:00.000Z-Shawn_in_Montreal-2013-03-17T02:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:33, 17 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>Yes the prefix is hardcoded in those templates, but that doesn't mean it should be excluded from the identifier. The IMDB identifier, to the extent that there is one other than the URL string, includes those prefixes. Assuming again that one Wikidata entry is only about one IMDB item in general, the correct solution would be to make one property for "IMDB identifier" and pass the whole value to the Wikipedia template. Not a difficult adjustment on the Wikipedia side (requiring most simplistically an instruction to strip the leftmost two characters). I will not beat the drum of "don't format things to suit Wikipedia" any more, but it applies here. The prefixes are also informational and without them, you would likely have an ambiguous URL portion; that is "tt01000" and "nm01000" are very different things (obviously). <a href="/wiki/User:Espeso" title="User:Espeso">Espeso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espeso" title="User talk:Espeso">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Espeso-2013-03-17T03:03:00.000Z-Shawn_in_Montreal-2013-03-17T02:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Per above, I <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support one property -- "IMDb identifier" -- unless there is a demonstrated need otherwise. <a href="/wiki/User:Espeso" title="User:Espeso">Espeso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espeso" title="User talk:Espeso">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Espeso-2013-03-17T03:14:00.000Z-Shawn_in_Montreal-2013-03-17T01:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:14, 17 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-NaBUru38-2013-03-19T19:37:00.000Z-Shawn_in_Montreal-2013-03-17T01:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support but as "IMDb identifier" and with prefix as String. -- <a href="/wiki/User:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User:MichaelSchoenitzer">MichaelSchoenitzer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User talk:MichaelSchoenitzer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-MichaelSchoenitzer-2013-03-22T16:36:00.000Z-Shawn_in_Montreal-2013-03-17T01:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 22 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support as "IMDb identifier" and with prefix as String. I believe a template can be configured to extract the prefix and customize the URL accordingly. <a href="/wiki/User:Rsocol" title="User:Rsocol">Rsocol</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rsocol" title="User talk:Rsocol">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Rsocol-2013-03-24T05:47:00.000Z-Shawn_in_Montreal-2013-03-17T01:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done as <a href="/wiki/Property:P345" title="Property:P345">IMDb identifier</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Stevenliuyi" title="User:Stevenliuyi">Stevenliuyi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stevenliuyi" title="User talk:Stevenliuyi">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Stevenliuyi-2013-03-24T09:35:00.000Z-Shawn_in_Montreal-2013-03-17T01:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:35, 24 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="cinematography_/_Kamera_/_..." data-mw-thread-id="h-cinematography_/_Kamera_/_...-Film-2013-03-20T14:12:00.000Z">cinematography / Kamera / ...</h4></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P344" title="Property:P344">director of photography</a> (P344) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P344" title="Property talk:P344">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The name of the cinematographer.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>cinematography at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_television" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox television">en:Template:Infobox television</a> & <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_film" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox film">en:Template:Infobox film</a>, Kamera at <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage_Infobox_Film" class="extiw" title="de:Vorlage Infobox Film">de:Vorlage Infobox Film</a> & <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Infobox_Fernsehsendung" class="extiw" title="de:Vorlage:Infobox Fernsehsendung">de:Vorlage:Infobox Fernsehsendung</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>films and similar productions</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Wikipedia templates</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:CennoxX" title="User:CennoxX">CENNOXX</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CennoxX" title="User talk:CennoxX">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-CennoxX-2013-03-20T14:12:00.000Z-cinematography_/_Kamera_/_..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:12, 20 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done Created the <a href="/wiki/Property:P344" title="Property:P344">Property:P344 – cinematography</a>. It shouldn't be a big issue, because of the similiar properties <a href="/wiki/Property:P57" title="Property:P57">film director</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P58" title="Property:P58">screenwriter</a>…--<a href="/wiki/User:CennoxX" title="User:CennoxX">CENNOXX</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CennoxX" title="User talk:CennoxX">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-CennoxX-2013-03-23T14:09:00.000Z-CennoxX-2013-03-20T14:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 23 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="radio_format_/_Hörfunkformat_/_..." data-mw-thread-id="h-radio_format_/_Hörfunkformat_/_...-Film-2013-02-26T02:23:00.000Z">radio format / Hörfunkformat / ...</h4></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P415" title="Property:P415">radio format</a> (P415) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P415" title="Property talk:P415">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>describes the overall content broadcast on a radio station</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_radio_station" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox radio station">en:Template:Infobox radio station</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Kolja21-2013-02-26T02:23:00.000Z-radio_format_/_Hörfunkformat_/_..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:23, 26 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Danrok" title="User:Danrok">Danrok</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danrok" title="User talk:Danrok">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Danrok-2013-02-27T14:14:00.000Z-Kolja21-2013-02-26T02:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 27 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support, rename to "program format" to allow television and web programs use it too. --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-NaBUru38-2013-03-19T19:39:00.000Z-Kolja21-2013-02-26T02:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support I like NaBUru38's suggestion. --<a href="/wiki/User:FelGru" title="User:FelGru">FelGru</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FelGru" title="User talk:FelGru">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-FelGru-2013-04-04T21:10:00.000Z-NaBUru38-2013-03-19T19:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 4 April 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I'm not sure I do. I'd support broadcast format for radio and TV stations/channels, but would individual programs not fall under the existing "genre" property? <a href="/wiki/User:Shawn_in_Montreal" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Shawn in Montreal">Shawn in Montreal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shawn_in_Montreal" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Shawn in Montreal">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Shawn_in_Montreal-2013-04-05T00:41:00.000Z-FelGru-2013-04-04T21:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:41, 5 April 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support original proposal for radio format; <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose an extension of this property into creative works such as TV programs until this idea is fully weighed with respect to the preexisting <a href="/wiki/Property:P136" title="Property:P136">Property:P136</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Shawn_in_Montreal" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Shawn in Montreal">Shawn in Montreal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shawn_in_Montreal" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Shawn in Montreal">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Shawn_in_Montreal-2013-04-05T15:20:00.000Z-Kolja21-2013-02-26T02:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 5 April 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Term_/_Sachbegriff_/_Terme" data-mw-thread-id="h-Term_/_Sachbegriff_/_Terme-2013-03-12T20:35:00.000Z">Term / Sachbegriff / Terme</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Entrez_Gene_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Entrez_Gene_ID-Term_/_Sachbegriff_/_Terme-2013-03-12T20:35:00.000Z">Entrez Gene ID</h4></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P351" title="Property:P351">Property:P351</a> <ul><li>Description: The Entrez Gene identifier for a gene.</li> <li>Infobox parameter: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:GNF_Protein_box" class="extiw" title="en:Template:GNF Protein box">en:Template:GNF Protein box</a></li> <li>Datatype: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model#Strings_that_are_not_translated" class="extiw" title="m:Wikidata/Data model">String</a></li> <li>Domain: Genes</li> <li>Allowed values: Any alphanumeric string</li> <li>Source: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://mygene.info">http://mygene.info</a>, e.g., <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://mygene.info/gene/1017">http://mygene.info/gene/1017</a></li> <li>Use case: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Gene_Wiki" class="extiw" title="en:Portal:Gene Wiki">en:Portal:Gene Wiki</a></li> <li>Robot and gadget jobs: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://bitbucket.org/sulab/pygenewiki">https://bitbucket.org/sulab/pygenewiki</a> (See also <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Gene_Wiki" class="extiw" title="en:Portal:Gene Wiki">en:Portal:Gene Wiki</a>.)</li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support As requestor. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Su" title="User:Andrew Su">Andrew Su</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Su" title="User talk:Andrew Su">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Andrew_Su-2013-03-13T16:18:00.000Z-Entrez_Gene_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 13 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support The problem with the proposals about Genes is, that they are strings with links. At the moment, I think, this is not possible. One developer wrote, that maybe this datatype will be developed, even it was not planed. If not, moving Wikipedia data into a Wikidata string and appending an external link within Wikipedia, is in my view a bad solution. We have the same problem with authority control data like ISSN, ISBN, OCLC, VIAF. --<a href="/wiki/User:Goldzahn" title="User:Goldzahn">Goldzahn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldzahn" title="User talk:Goldzahn">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Goldzahn-2013-03-12T20:35:00.000Z-Andrew_Su-2013-03-13T16:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 12 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Great point. I agree, as your other examples illustrate there's a bigger issue here than just with gene identifiers. Is there a better forum to raise this issue, since I doubt this comment thread will get broadly noticed by the right people? If so, I'm happy to lend my support/thoughts there. Regardless, I'm hoping we can move forward with these properties as strings and modify them when/if a better datatype is created... Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Su" title="User:Andrew Su">Andrew Su</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Su" title="User talk:Andrew Su">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Andrew_Su-2013-03-13T16:18:00.000Z-Goldzahn-2013-03-12T20:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 13 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Tools#AuthorityControl.js" title="Wikidata:Tools">AuthorityControl.js</a> can be extended to support this property, like many others ;) --<a href="/wiki/User:Ricordisamoa" title="User:Ricordisamoa">Ricordi</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ricordisamoa" title="User talk:Ricordisamoa">samoa</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Ricordisamoa-2013-03-13T16:36:00.000Z-Andrew_Su-2013-03-13T16:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 13 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>That doesn´t help showing Wikidata data in Wikipedia the right way. I´don´t know if it is possible to add something like this into a configuration page in Wikipedia. Maybe as a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Gadget#Default_gadgets" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Gadget">en:Wikipedia:Gadget#Default_gadgets</a> (default gadget)? --<a href="/wiki/User:Goldzahn" title="User:Goldzahn">Goldzahn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldzahn" title="User talk:Goldzahn">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Goldzahn-2013-03-14T00:29:00.000Z-Ricordisamoa-2013-03-13T16:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:29, 14 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I proposed <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal#Formatter_URL_.2F_.2F_.2F_URL_di_formattazione" title="Wikidata:Property proposal">a property</a> that would help for this. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ricordisamoa" title="User:Ricordisamoa">Ricordi</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ricordisamoa" title="User talk:Ricordisamoa">samoa</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Ricordisamoa-2013-03-14T00:43:00.000Z-Goldzahn-2013-03-14T00:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:43, 14 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>If we add all of them in <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Tools#AuthorityControl.js" title="Wikidata:Tools">AuthorityControl.js</a>, it should be relatively easy to convert later on if a better format becomes available. As for Wikipedia infoboxes, I dont think it is such a problem, as we wont get rid of infobox templates anytime soon, the data may come from here, but the formatting will still have to be done on Wikipedia. Adding a link in the relevant infobox parameter should not be very difficult. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Zolo-2013-03-15T08:58:00.000Z-Goldzahn-2013-03-14T00:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:58, 15 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P351" title="Property:P351">Property:P351</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="UniProt_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-UniProt_ID-Term_/_Sachbegriff_/_Terme">UniProt ID</h4></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P352" title="Property:P352">Property:P352</a> <ul><li>Description: The UniProt identifier for the protein product of a gene.</li> <li>Infobox parameter: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:GNF_Protein_box" class="extiw" title="en:Template:GNF Protein box">en:Template:GNF Protein box</a></li> <li>Datatype: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model#Strings_that_are_not_translated" class="extiw" title="m:Wikidata/Data model">String</a></li> <li>Domain: Genes/Proteins</li> <li>Allowed values: Any alphanumeric string</li> <li>Source: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://mygene.info">http://mygene.info</a>, e.g., <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://mygene.info/gene/1017">http://mygene.info/gene/1017</a></li> <li>Use case: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Gene_Wiki" class="extiw" title="en:Portal:Gene Wiki">en:Portal:Gene Wiki</a></li> <li>Robot and gadget jobs: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://bitbucket.org/sulab/pygenewiki">https://bitbucket.org/sulab/pygenewiki</a> (See also <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Gene_Wiki" class="extiw" title="en:Portal:Gene Wiki">en:Portal:Gene Wiki</a>.)</li></ul> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P352" title="Property:P352">Property:P352</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Symbol" data-mw-thread-id="h-Symbol-Term_/_Sachbegriff_/_Terme">Symbol</h4></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P353" title="Property:P353">Property:P353</a> <ul><li>Description: The official gene symbol for a gene (from the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.genenames.org/">HGNC</a>).</li> <li>Infobox parameter: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:GNF_Protein_box" class="extiw" title="en:Template:GNF Protein box">en:Template:GNF Protein box</a></li> <li>Datatype: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model#Strings_that_are_not_translated" class="extiw" title="m:Wikidata/Data model">String</a></li> <li>Domain: Genes</li> <li>Allowed values: Any alphanumeric string</li> <li>Source: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://mygene.info">http://mygene.info</a>, e.g., <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://mygene.info/gene/1017">http://mygene.info/gene/1017</a></li> <li>Use case: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Gene_Wiki" class="extiw" title="en:Portal:Gene Wiki">en:Portal:Gene Wiki</a></li> <li>Robot and gadget jobs: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://bitbucket.org/sulab/pygenewiki">https://bitbucket.org/sulab/pygenewiki</a> (See also <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Gene_Wiki" class="extiw" title="en:Portal:Gene Wiki">en:Portal:Gene Wiki</a>.)</li></ul> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P353" title="Property:P353">Property:P353</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="HGNC_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-HGNC_ID-Term_/_Sachbegriff_/_Terme">HGNC ID</h4></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P354" title="Property:P354">Property:P354</a> <ul><li>Description: The HGNC identifier from the HUGO Gene Nomenclature Committee for a gene.</li> <li>Infobox parameter: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:GNF_Protein_box" class="extiw" title="en:Template:GNF Protein box">en:Template:GNF Protein box</a></li> <li>Datatype: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model#Strings_that_are_not_translated" class="extiw" title="m:Wikidata/Data model">String</a></li> <li>Domain: Genes</li> <li>Allowed values: Any alphanumeric string</li> <li>Source: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://mygene.info">http://mygene.info</a>, e.g., <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://mygene.info/gene/1017">http://mygene.info/gene/1017</a></li> <li>Use case: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Gene_Wiki" class="extiw" title="en:Portal:Gene Wiki">en:Portal:Gene Wiki</a></li> <li>Robot and gadget jobs: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://bitbucket.org/sulab/pygenewiki">https://bitbucket.org/sulab/pygenewiki</a> (See also <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Gene_Wiki" class="extiw" title="en:Portal:Gene Wiki">en:Portal:Gene Wiki</a>.)</li></ul> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P354" title="Property:P354">Property:P354</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Place_/_Geografikum_/_Lieu" data-mw-thread-id="h-Place_/_Geografikum_/_Lieu-2013-02-05T09:11:00.000Z">Place / Geografikum / Lieu</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Country_/_Land_/_Pays" data-mw-thread-id="h-Country_/_Land_/_Pays-Place_/_Geografikum_/_Lieu-2013-02-08T17:36:00.000Z">Country / Land / Pays</h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="ISO_3166-1" data-mw-thread-id="h-ISO_3166-1-Country_/_Land_/_Pays-2013-02-08T17:36:00.000Z">ISO 3166-1</h4></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P297" title="Property:P297">Property:P297</a> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P298" title="Property:P298">Property:P298</a> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P299" title="Property:P299">Property:P299</a> <ul><li>Description: Country code of the International Organization for Standardization´´</li> <li>Datatype: value</li> <li>Links:</li> <li>Infobox parameter example:</li> <li>Comments: see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:ISO_3166-1" class="extiw" title="w:en:ISO 3166-1">w:en:ISO 3166-1</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>We have to decide wheter we're using ISO 3166-1-Alpha-2, ISO 3166-1-Alpha-3 or ISO 3166-1-Numeric. <a href="/wiki/User:Inkowik" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Inkowik">IW</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Inkowik-2013-02-08T17:36:00.000Z-ISO_3166-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:36, 8 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I think we should create 3 property, one for each <a href="/wiki/User:Fale" title="User:Fale">Fale</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fale" title="User talk:Fale">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Fale-2013-02-10T14:46:00.000Z-Inkowik-2013-02-08T17:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 10 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment I agree with Fale. - <a href="/wiki/User:Ssolbergj" title="User:Ssolbergj">Ssolbergj</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ssolbergj" title="User talk:Ssolbergj">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Ssolbergj-2013-02-27T03:55:00.000Z-Inkowik-2013-02-08T17:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 27 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>Agree. I think we can also add <a href="/w/index.php?title=ISO_3166-1_numeric&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="ISO 3166-1 numeric (page does not exist)">ISO 3166-1 numeric</a>. Though it is numeric, I think it is really a string as the number do not refer to any quantity. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Zolo-2013-03-07T12:23:00.000Z-Inkowik-2013-02-08T17:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:23, 7 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P297" title="Property:P297">P:P297</a> for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2" class="extiw" title="en:ISO 3166-1 alpha-2">ISO 3166-1 alpha-2</a> codes; <a href="/wiki/Property:P298" title="Property:P298">P:P298</a> for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-3" class="extiw" title="en:ISO 3166-1 alpha-3">ISO 3166-1 alpha-3</a> codes; <a href="/wiki/Property:P299" title="Property:P299">P:P299</a> for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_numeric" class="extiw" title="en:ISO 3166-1 numeric">ISO 3166-1 numeric</a> codes. All are type string (even the numeric ones, as they don't hold any mathematical value, they are just strings that happen to consist of numbers). <a href="/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User:Jon Harald Søby">Jon Harald Søby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User talk:Jon Harald Søby">talk</a>) 20:50, 18 March 2013 (UTC) (I have corrected the P-links --<a href="/wiki/User:Monsieurbecker" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Monsieurbecker">Monsieurbecker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Monsieurbecker" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Monsieurbecker">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-2013-03-18T20:50:00.000Z-ISO_3166-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 19 March 2013 (UTC)</a>) <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="ISO_3166-2" data-mw-thread-id="h-ISO_3166-2-Country_/_Land_/_Pays-2013-03-07T13:58:00.000Z">ISO 3166-2</h4></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P300" title="Property:P300">Property:P300</a> <ul><li>Description: Country subdivision code of the International Organization for Standardization</li> <li>Datatype: <s>value</s> monolingual string</li> <li>Domain: Places (Administrative subdivision units).</li> <li>Source:</li> <li>Infobox parameter:</li> <li>Example values: SE-Y or SE-22</li> <li>Comments: see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:ISO_3166-2" class="extiw" title="w:en:ISO 3166-2">w:en:ISO 3166-2</a></li></ul> Similar to country codes, these are codes for country subdivisions. Only textual codes exist. <a href="/wiki/User:Nikola_Smolenski" title="User:Nikola Smolenski">Nikola</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikola_Smolenski" title="User talk:Nikola Smolenski">talk</a>) 13:58, 7 March 2013 (UTC) <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment I changed datatype to "string". I support when a source or infobox parameter is provided. <a href="/wiki/User:Mange01" title="User:Mange01">Mange01</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mange01" title="User talk:Mange01">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Nikola_Smolenski-2013-03-07T13:58:00.000Z-ISO_3166-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:22, 13 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support I've been waiting for this for some time. <a href="/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User:Jon Harald Søby">Jon Harald Søby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User talk:Jon Harald Søby">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-2013-03-15T14:16:00.000Z-Nikola_Smolenski-2013-03-07T13:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 15 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P300" title="Property:P300">P:P300</a> for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2" class="extiw" title="en:ISO 3166-2">ISO 3166-2</a> codes. They should include country codes, as that is the standard. <a href="/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User:Jon Harald Søby">Jon Harald Søby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User talk:Jon Harald Søby">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-2013-03-18T20:50:00.000Z-ISO_3166-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 18 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Astronomical_objects" data-mw-thread-id="h-Astronomical_objects-Place_/_Geografikum_/_Lieu-2013-02-05T09:11:00.000Z">Astronomical objects</h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Object_Name_/_Objekt_Name_/_Nom_de_l'objet" data-mw-thread-id="h-Object_Name_/_Objekt_Name_/_Nom_de_l'objet-Astronomical_objects-2013-02-05T09:11:00.000Z">Object Name / Objekt Name / Nom de l'objet</h4></div> <ul><li>Description: Name of the object.</li> <li> Datatype: <del>two<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model#Strings_that_are_not_translated" class="extiw" title="meta:Wikidata/Data model">StringValue</a></del><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model#Strings_that_are_not_translated" class="extiw" title="meta:Wikidata/Data model">StringValue</a></li> <li>Links:</li> <li>Infobox parameter example: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_planet" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox planet">en:template:Infobox planet</a> name</li> <li>Comments: astronomic objects have lots of names due to the huge number of catalogues. My idea is to use the first string to identify the catalogue and the second the name. For common names, the "catalogue string" has "no value" value. --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-02-05T09:11:00.000Z-Object_Name_/_Objekt_Name_/_Nom_de_l'objet" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:11, 5 February 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I don't know if a "two StringValue" will be technically possible; in alternative we can use a sigle StringValue with the catalogue as a qualifier (or without qualifier for a common name). --<a href="/wiki/User:Beta16" title="User:Beta16">Beta16</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beta16" title="User talk:Beta16">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Beta16-2013-02-05T09:53:00.000Z-Paperoastro-2013-02-05T09:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:53, 5 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>It could be a good idea. --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-02-05T21:24:00.000Z-Beta16-2013-02-05T09:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 5 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>It sounds more straightforward to make the name of simple string, and that catalogue a source. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Zolo-2013-02-06T09:29:00.000Z-Beta16-2013-02-05T09:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:29, 6 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Interesting idea, but I have a doubt: is it possible use the value of a source in a query? --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-02-06T22:27:00.000Z-Zolo-2013-02-06T09:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:27, 6 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I am pretty sure that it will, but I cannot find the page where it is mentionned. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Zolo-2013-02-06T22:47:00.000Z-Paperoastro-2013-02-06T22:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 6 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>For me both solutions are valid: I have just changed the datatype to one string. --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-02-07T11:31:00.000Z-Zolo-2013-02-06T22:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:31, 7 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment I propose a new name of the property to remove possible confusion. If there isn't opposition, tomorrow I will create it --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-03-06T23:50:00.000Z-Object_Name_/_Objekt_Name_/_Nom_de_l'objet" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:50, 6 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Celestial_coordinates_/_Astronomische_Koordinaten_/_coordonnées_célestes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Celestial_coordinates_/_Astronomische_Koordinaten_/_coordonnées_célestes-Astronomical_objects-2013-02-07T18:43:00.000Z">Celestial coordinates / Astronomische Koordinaten / coordonnées célestes</h4></div> <ul><li>Description: position of the object.</li> <li>Datatype: a new datatype with two coordinates expressed in degrees (hours), minutes, and seconds and the epoch. <del>Probably also a string with the type of coordinate system</del> A qualifier could distinguish the type of the coordinate system.</li> <li>Links: see for example <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-basic?Ident=Sirius&submit=SIMBAD+search">this</a>.</li> <li>Infobox parameter example: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_galaxy" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox galaxy">en:template:Infobox galaxy</a> ra, dec, epoch</li> <li>Comments:</li></ul> <dl><dd>There will be a special datatype for coordinates. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Zolo-2013-02-07T18:43:00.000Z-Celestial_coordinates_/_Astronomische_Koordinaten_/_coordonnées_célestes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 7 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Very good! :) --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-02-07T20:04:00.000Z-Zolo-2013-02-07T18:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>There are also coordinates for locations on earth. Please choose a label which makes it clear, which one is which.--<a href="/wiki/User:Giftzwerg_88" title="User:Giftzwerg 88">Giftzwerg 88</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giftzwerg_88" title="User talk:Giftzwerg 88">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Giftzwerg_88-2013-02-07T22:54:00.000Z-Paperoastro-2013-02-07T20:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 7 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-02-07T23:16:00.000Z-Giftzwerg_88-2013-02-07T22:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:16, 7 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I de-templated your comment so that people wouldn't think that the property has already been created. <a href="/wiki/User:Sven_Manguard" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sven Manguard">Sven Manguard</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sven_Manguard" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Sven Manguard">Wha?</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Sven_Manguard-2013-02-24T17:21:00.000Z-Paperoastro-2013-02-07T23:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 24 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support if this is plausible in Wikidata. <a href="/wiki/User:PiRSquared17" title="User:PiRSquared17">πr2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PiRSquared17" title="User talk:PiRSquared17">t</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17" title="Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17">c</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-PiRSquared17-2013-02-09T16:37:00.000Z-Celestial_coordinates_/_Astronomische_Koordinaten_/_coordonnées_célestes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 9 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarilho1" title="User talk:Sarilho1">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Sarilho1-2013-03-11T11:45:00.000Z-Celestial_coordinates_/_Astronomische_Koordinaten_/_coordonnées_célestes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:45, 11 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support probably complicated, but definitely wanted.--<a href="/wiki/User:Grondilu" title="User:Grondilu">Grondilu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grondilu" title="User talk:Grondilu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Grondilu-2013-03-14T11:31:00.000Z-Celestial_coordinates_/_Astronomische_Koordinaten_/_coordonnées_célestes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:31, 14 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Angular_size" data-mw-thread-id="h-Angular_size-Astronomical_objects-2013-02-08T18:18:00.000Z">Angular size</h4></div> <ul><li>Description: The apparent size of large astronomic objects (e.g. galaxies, nebulae, clusters...).</li> <li>Datatype: Usually angular size is expressed as major axis × minor axis. If this is not possible in Wikidata, two property could be created.</li> <li>Links: see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-basic?Ident=m+31&submit=SIMBAD+search">this</a> as example</li> <li>Domain: deep sky objects</li> <li>Infobox parameter example: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_galaxy" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox galaxy">en:Template:Infobox galaxy</a> size_v</li> <li>Comments: --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-02-08T18:18:00.000Z-Angular_size" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 8 February 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose The apparent size of a galaxy (and some other objects) is strongly dependent on the sensitivity of the telescope used for observations and the integration time. The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/H/Half-light+Radius">effective radius</a> is a notoriously difficult quantity to measure. <a href="/wiki/User:MER-C" title="User:MER-C">MER-C</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MER-C" title="User talk:MER-C">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-MER-C-2013-02-11T13:36:00.000Z-Angular_size" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 11 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>You are right, but usually Infoboxes report this information (see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Galaxy" class="extiw" title="w:Andromeda Galaxy">this example</a>), even if the reference site (NED) has a disclaimer for this! In my opinion a well-defined value could be useful to have an idea of the size of the object for observations in the visible band. HyperLEDA-galaxy archive try to make a standard, using the diameter of the isophotal level 25 mag/arcsec; <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://leda.univ-lyon1.fr/leda/param/logd25.html">here</a> there is the explanation (of course we could use the decimal value instead of logarithm). Could be a solution? --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-02-12T11:44:00.000Z-MER-C-2013-02-11T13:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:44, 12 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>If there is a fixed surface brightness limit, then that's great. But one might start to wonder what the angular size is if the SB limit is X mag arcsec^-2, and then you're going to need (1) a large telescope and/or (2) a copy of <code>galfit</code>. <a href="/wiki/User:MER-C" title="User:MER-C">MER-C</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MER-C" title="User talk:MER-C">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-MER-C-2013-02-19T02:48:00.000Z-Paperoastro-2013-02-12T11:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 19 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><code>galfit</code> is a great tool to measure galaxy parameters, but there are many other methods to calculate the angular size: for example <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRAF" class="extiw" title="w:IRAF">IRAF</a> a has tool for isophotes. Many old catalogues, based on the plates of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Geographic_Society_%E2%80%93_Palomar_Observatory_Sky_Survey" class="extiw" title="w:National Geographic Society – Palomar Observatory Sky Survey">POSS</a>, reports the angular size of galaxies (see for example the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uppsala_General_Catalogue" class="extiw" title="w:Uppsala General Catalogue">UGC</a> catalogue <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://cdsarc.u-strasbg.fr/viz-bin/Cat?VII/26D">here</a>). Also new catalogues, as the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://cdsarc.u-strasbg.fr/viz-bin/Cat?II/294">The SDSS Photometric Catalog</a> report the isophotal diameters. --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-02-23T12:00:00.000Z-MER-C-2013-02-19T02:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:00, 23 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-03-29T21:49:00.000Z-Angular_size" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 29 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Astronomic_symbol_/_/_/_simbolo_astronomico" data-mw-thread-id="h-Astronomic_symbol_/_/_/_simbolo_astronomico-Astronomical_objects-2013-03-23T23:04:00.000Z">Astronomic symbol / / / simbolo astronomico</h4></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P367" title="Property:P367">astronomic symbol image</a> (P367) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P367" title="Property talk:P367">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>image of the symbols that identify planets and some asteroids of the solar system</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model#Media" class="extiw" title="m:Wikidata/Data model">Media</a>-invalid datatype (not in <a href="/wiki/Module:I18n/datatype" title="Module:I18n/datatype">Module:i18n/datatype</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:infobox_planet" class="extiw" title="en:template:infobox planet">en:template:infobox planet</a> symbol</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>planets of the solar system and some asteroids</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><<a href="/wiki/Q319" title="Q319">Jupiter</a>> astronomic symbol <<a href="/wiki/File:Jupiter_symbol.svg" title="File:Jupiter symbol.svg">File:Jupiter symbol.svg</a>></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-03-23T23:04:00.000Z-Astronomic_symbol_/_/_/_simbolo_astronomico" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support useful, we should create also a property for the Unicode equivalent (e.g. "♃") --<a href="/wiki/User:Ricordisamoa" title="User:Ricordisamoa">Ricordi</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ricordisamoa" title="User talk:Ricordisamoa">samoa</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Ricordisamoa-2013-03-27T11:22:00.000Z-Paperoastro-2013-03-23T23:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:22, 27 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>Since this property is needed, I'll create it soon if there aren't objections. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ricordisamoa" title="User:Ricordisamoa">Ricordi</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ricordisamoa" title="User talk:Ricordisamoa">samoa</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Ricordisamoa-2013-03-29T07:13:00.000Z-Paperoastro-2013-03-23T23:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:13, 29 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> created as <a href="/wiki/Property:P367" title="Property:P367">Property:P367</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ricordisamoa" title="User:Ricordisamoa">Ricordi</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ricordisamoa" title="User talk:Ricordisamoa">samoa</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Ricordisamoa-2013-03-29T13:14:00.000Z-Ricordisamoa-2013-03-29T07:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:14, 29 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="On_astronomical_body_/_/" data-mw-thread-id="h-On_astronomical_body_/_/-Astronomical_objects-2013-03-05T17:42:00.000Z">On astronomical body / /</h4></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P376" title="Property:P376">Property:P376</a> <ul><li>Description: the subject is a feature or "place", e.g. <del>ring</del>, crater, protoplanetary accreting discs, on an astronomic body (the object/linked item), ...</li> <li>Datatype: Item</li> <li>Example: <<a href="/wiki/Q634366" title="Q634366">Archimedes crater</a>> belongs to <<a href="/wiki/Q405" title="Q405">Moon</a>></li> <li>Infobox mapping: If <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:lunar_crater_data" class="extiw" title="en:template:lunar crater data">en:template:lunar crater data</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_Mars_crater" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox Mars crater">en:template:Infobox Mars crater</a> or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_Venus_crater" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox Venus crater">en:template:Infobox Venus crater</a> is used in the article, the value is moon, Mars or Venus. (No infobox exists for rings.)</li> <li>Domain: potentially all astronomic bodies</li> <li>Comments: see parent body proposal. --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-03-05T17:42:00.000Z-On_astronomical_body_/_/" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment I suggest that this should be called "on astronomical body", and should be extended to also include geographical features on earth, for a generic approach. Rings are not on the body, so I suggest that "satellite of" should be used in that case instead. No simple infobox mapping exists, but this property is needed anyway. <a href="/wiki/User:Mange01" title="User:Mange01">Mange01</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mange01" title="User talk:Mange01">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Mange01-2013-03-23T13:39:00.000Z-On_astronomical_body_/_/" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:39, 23 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Good suggestions. I changed the name of the property: with this new name, it is straightforward including also geographical features on Earth! Concerning rings: "satellite of" can be appropriated, or, if my proposals above will be approved, would be used "parent body" (on the ring item) and "children body" (on the planet item). --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-03-23T20:15:00.000Z-Mange01-2013-03-23T13:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 23 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P376" title="Property:P376">P:P376</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-03-31T20:02:00.000Z-On_astronomical_body_/_/" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Parent_body_/_/" data-mw-thread-id="h-Parent_body_/_/-Astronomical_objects-2013-03-05T17:42:00.000Z">Parent body / /</h4></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P397" title="Property:P397">Property:P397</a> <ul><li>Description: the major body the item "belongs" to. It is not a pysical properties, but a hierarchycal classification followed by astronomers.</li> <li>Datatype: Item</li> <li>Links: <<a href="/wiki/Q6604" title="Q6604">Charon</a>> parent body <<a href="/wiki/Q339" title="Q339">Pluto</a>></li> <li>Infobox parameter example: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_planet" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox planet">Infobox planet</a> satellite_of, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_GRB" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox GRB">Infobox GRB</a> host, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_galaxy" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox galaxy">Infobox galaxy</a> group_cluster, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_meteor_shower" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox meteor shower">Infobox meteor shower</a> parent, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_meteorite" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox meteorite">Infobox meteorite</a> Parent body</li> <li>Domain: potentially all astronomic bodies</li> <li>Comments: Some users suggested or asked to have a two-direction hierarchy of astronomic objects. Now we have three specific properties: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P96&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P96 (page does not exist)">natural satellite</a> that lists the satellites of a major body; <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P99&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P99 (page does not exist)">planet</a> that lists the planets of a major body; <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P116&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P116 (page does not exist)">host galaxy</a> that get the host galaxy of a body. Following the example of <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties#Administrative_divisions" title="Wikidata:List of properties">Administrative divisions</a>, I propose four general properties that should be cover all cases. --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-03-05T17:42:00.000Z-Parent_body_/_/" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>Do we have any solution for binary systems? I mean when there is a system of two (or more) objects of a similair size, where you normally not name them satellites of each other. ´This is not unusual in the Kuiper belt. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Lavallen" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Lavallen">Lavallen</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Lavallen" title="Special:Block/Lavallen">block</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Lavallen-2013-03-20T17:19:00.000Z-Paperoastro-2013-03-05T17:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 20 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>The solution I proposed for binary systems is to use for them the property companion of proposed below. --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-03-21T08:44:00.000Z-Lavallen-2013-03-20T17:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:44, 21 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Parent body is also used in meteoritics for the planet/planetesimal from which a meteorite originated. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Tobias1984-2013-04-06T13:34:00.000Z-Paperoastro-2013-03-05T17:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:34, 6 April 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I add in the "Infobox parameter example" the infobox parameters for meteor shower and meteorite infoboxes. --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-04-06T19:58:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-04-06T13:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 6 April 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-04-06T21:17:00.000Z-Parent_body_/_/" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 6 April 2013 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Children_body_/_/" data-mw-thread-id="h-Children_body_/_/-Astronomical_objects-2013-03-05T17:42:00.000Z">Children body / /</h4></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P398" title="Property:P398">Property:P398</a> <ul><li>Description: the opposite of the previous property: the minor body that "belongs" to the item. It is not a pysical properties, but a hierarchycal classification followed by astronomers.</li> <li>Datatype: Item</li> <li>Links: <<a href="/wiki/Q339" title="Q339">Pluto</a>> childern body <<a href="/wiki/Q6604" title="Q6604">Charon</a>></li> <li>Infobox parameter example: e.g. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_planet" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox planet">en:template:Infobox planet</a> satellites</li> <li>Domain: all astronomic bodies</li> <li>Comments: see parent body proposal. --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-03-05T17:42:00.000Z-Children_body_/_/" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-04-06T21:21:00.000Z-Children_body_/_/" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 6 April 2013 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Companion_of_/_/" data-mw-thread-id="h-Companion_of_/_/-Astronomical_objects-2013-03-05T17:42:00.000Z">Companion of / /</h4></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P399" title="Property:P399">Property:P399</a> <ul><li>Description: two or more objects of the same type relating to each other, e.g. star systems, double star clusters, interacting galaxies...</li> <li>Datatype: Item</li> <li>Links: <<a href="/wiki/Q482454" title="Q482454">h Persei</a>> companion of <<a href="/wiki/Q33571" title="Q33571">chi Persei</a>></li> <li>Infobox parameter example:</li> <li>Domain: potentially all astronomic bodies</li> <li>Comments: see parent body proposal. --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-03-05T17:42:00.000Z-Companion_of_/_/" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment If there is no opposition, I will create as soon as possible parent body, children body and companion of and I will put in cancellation <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P96&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P96 (page does not exist)">natural satellite</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P99&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P99 (page does not exist)">planet</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P116&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P116 (page does not exist)">host galaxy</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-03-31T21:09:00.000Z-Companion_of_/_/" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 31 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Paperoastro-2013-04-06T21:24:00.000Z-Companion_of_/_/" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 6 April 2013 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="City_/_town" data-mw-thread-id="h-City_/_town-Place_/_Geografikum_/_Lieu-2013-03-27T11:20:00.000Z">City / town</h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Patron_saint_/_/_/_Patrono" data-mw-thread-id="h-Patron_saint_/_/_/_Patrono-City_/_town-2013-03-27T11:20:00.000Z">Patron saint / / / Patrono</h4></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P417" title="Property:P417">patron saint</a> (P417) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P417" title="Property talk:P417">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>the patron saint of a town/city</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>e.g. the "Patrono" parameter in <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Divisione_amministrativa" class="extiw" title="it:Template:Divisione amministrativa">it:Template:Divisione amministrativa</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Place (towns and cities)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>all saints</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2634" title="Q2634">Naples</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q315312" title="Q315312">Q315312</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>infobox (see above)</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>could be imported from WP</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Ricordisamoa" title="User:Ricordisamoa">Ricordi</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ricordisamoa" title="User talk:Ricordisamoa">samoa</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Ricordisamoa-2013-03-27T11:20:00.000Z-Patron_saint_/_/_/_Patrono" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:20, 27 March 2013 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <ul><li><ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-NaBUru38-2013-03-27T20:11:00.000Z-Ricordisamoa-2013-03-27T11:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 27 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Kizar" title="User:Kizar">Kizar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kizar" title="User talk:Kizar">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Kizar-2013-04-07T19:01:00.000Z-Ricordisamoa-2013-03-27T11:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 7 April 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unsorted" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unsorted-2013-02-02T19:59:00.000Z">Unsorted</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="main_article_in_category" data-mw-thread-id="h-main_article_in_category-Unsorted-2013-03-13T13:55:00.000Z">main article in category</h4></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P301" title="Property:P301">category's main topic</a> (P301) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P301" title="Property talk:P301">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>main article in category</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Template:Cat_main" class="extiw" title="w:en:Template:Cat main">w:en:Template:Cat main</a> usage.</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>categories</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q183" title="Q183">Q183</a> is main article in category <a href="/wiki/Q1410828" title="Q1410828">Q1410828</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Could be automated, but human oversight will be good idea.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <a href="/wiki/User:EugeneZelenko" title="User:EugeneZelenko">EugeneZelenko</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EugeneZelenko" title="User talk:EugeneZelenko">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-EugeneZelenko-2013-03-13T13:55:00.000Z-main_article_in_category" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 13 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - I think this is a novel and potential useful idea. And since the Category Q-pages are going to sit there with little on them anyway... <a href="/wiki/User:Espeso" title="User:Espeso">Espeso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espeso" title="User talk:Espeso">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Espeso-2013-03-15T06:06:00.000Z-EugeneZelenko-2013-03-13T13:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:06, 15 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - Wow, you read my mind. <a href="/wiki/User:FallingGravity" title="User:FallingGravity">FallingGravity</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FallingGravity" title="User talk:FallingGravity">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-FallingGravity-2013-03-15T06:40:00.000Z-EugeneZelenko-2013-03-13T13:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:40, 15 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done, <a href="/wiki/Property:P301" title="Property:P301">Property:P301</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Espeso" title="User:Espeso">Espeso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espeso" title="User talk:Espeso">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Espeso-2013-03-19T06:43:00.000Z-EugeneZelenko-2013-03-13T13:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:43, 19 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="mountain_type_/_Bergtyp_/_types_de_montagnes" data-mw-thread-id="h-mountain_type_/_Bergtyp_/_types_de_montagnes-Unsorted-2013-03-15T02:44:00.000Z">mountain type / Bergtyp / types de montagnes</h4></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P302&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P302 (page does not exist)">no label</a> (P302) (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P302&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property talk:P302 (page does not exist)">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>type of mountain</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_mountain" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox mountain">en:Template:Infobox mountain</a>: type</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Place</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauna_Loa" class="extiw" title="en:Mauna Loa">en:Mauna Loa</a> - Shield volcano</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountain_types" class="extiw" title="en:List of mountain types">en:List of mountain types</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Shawn_in_Montreal" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Shawn in Montreal">Shawn in Montreal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shawn_in_Montreal" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Shawn in Montreal">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Shawn_in_Montreal-2013-03-15T02:44:00.000Z-mountain_type_/_Bergtyp_/_types_de_montagnes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 15 March 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P302&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P302 (page does not exist)">Property:P302</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Goldzahn" title="User:Goldzahn">Goldzahn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldzahn" title="User talk:Goldzahn">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Goldzahn-2013-03-19T23:34:00.000Z-Shawn_in_Montreal-2013-03-15T02:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:34, 19 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="EE-number_/_EE-Nummer_/_EE-numéro_/" data-mw-thread-id="h-EE-number_/_EE-Nummer_/_EE-numéro_/-Unsorted-2013-03-17T23:16:00.000Z">EE-number / EE-Nummer / EE-numéro /</h4></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P303" title="Property:P303">EE breed number</a> (P303) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P303" title="Property talk:P303">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The object is the identifier of breeds in the EE-List of the breeds of fancy pigeons / Objekt ist ein Bezeichner der EE-Liste der Rassetauben / l´objet est l´identificateur de la liste EE des races de pigeons</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#monolingualtext" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Monolingual text</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>eegroup</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Term</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5219796" title="Q5219796">Q5219796</a> - 0404 and <a href="/wiki/Q824567" title="Q824567">Q824567</a> - 0411</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_pigeon_breed" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox pigeon breed">en:Template:Infobox pigeon breed</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dd>You see at the left side of <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:List_of_Entente_Europ%C3%A9enne_Pigeon_Breeds" class="extiw" title="commons:Commons:List of Entente Européenne Pigeon Breeds">commons:Commons:List of Entente Européenne Pigeon Breeds</a> the numbers, which should be stored as a string as a value to this property. See also <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pigeon_breeds" class="extiw" title="en:List of pigeon breeds">en:List of pigeon breeds</a>. And a new German template in in work, like the one in <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berner_Gugger" class="extiw" title="de:Berner Gugger">de:Berner Gugger</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Goldzahn" title="User:Goldzahn">Goldzahn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldzahn" title="User talk:Goldzahn">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Goldzahn-2013-03-17T23:16:00.000Z-EE-number_/_EE-Nummer_/_EE-numéro_/" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:16, 17 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I´ve changed label and description. --<a href="/wiki/User:Goldzahn" title="User:Goldzahn">Goldzahn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldzahn" title="User talk:Goldzahn">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Goldzahn-2013-03-18T18:25:00.000Z-Goldzahn-2013-03-17T23:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 18 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P303" title="Property:P303">Property:P303</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:PigeonIP" title="User:PigeonIP">PigeonIP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PigeonIP" title="User talk:PigeonIP">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-PigeonIP-2013-03-20T06:30:00.000Z-EE-number_/_EE-Nummer_/_EE-numéro_/" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:30, 20 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Page-Unsorted-2013-02-02T19:59:00.000Z">Page</h4></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P304" title="Property:P304">Property:P304</a> <ul><li>Description: Page(s) of the publication</li> <li>Datatype: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model#Numbers" class="extiw" title="m:Wikidata/Data model">Integer</a></li> <li>Links:</li> <li>Infobox parameter example:</li> <li>Comments: Page(s) of the publication where the information is. If it is a range of pages use the<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model#PropertyIntervalSnak" class="extiw" title="m:Wikidata/Data model">PropertyIntervalSnak</a>. Done to be used as a qualifier of Publication. <a href="/wiki/User:Tpt" title="User:Tpt">Tpt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tpt" title="User talk:Tpt">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Tpt-2013-02-02T19:59:00.000Z-Page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:59, 2 February 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>What about publications that have different numbering systems in it? For example, some start off with I, II, III, IV, etc, on for quite a while, and then go on to 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. Also, some publications have things like page 23A, and such. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Yair_rand-2013-02-04T06:33:00.000Z-Tpt-2013-02-02T19:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I've forgotten that issue. It's a real problem. We should maybe use the string datatype. <a href="/wiki/User:Tpt" title="User:Tpt">Tpt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tpt" title="User talk:Tpt">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Tpt-2013-02-04T14:50:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2013-02-04T06:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 4 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Do you know if it would be possible to allow both datatypes? I think it would be preferable to use a simple number (that could be, for example, automatically translated for languages with different numbering systems) where possible, but it also needs to have the option to have other forms. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Yair_rand-2013-02-05T01:17:00.000Z-Tpt-2013-02-04T14:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:17, 5 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="DrTrigonBot_(String)_Value" data-mw-thread-id="h-DrTrigonBot_(String)_Value-Unsorted-2013-02-08T17:47:00.000Z">DrTrigonBot (String) Value</h4></div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P368" title="Property:P368">Property:P368</a> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P369" title="Property:P369">Property:P369</a> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P370" title="Property:P370">Sandbox-String</a> (P370) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P370" title="Property talk:P370">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>any kind of values automatically updated in items</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model#Strings_that_are_not_translated" class="extiw" title="m:Wikidata/Data model">StringValue</a> (later may be <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model#Numbers" class="extiw" title="m:Wikidata/Data model">QuantityValue</a> would be useful too)-invalid datatype (not in <a href="/wiki/Module:I18n/datatype" title="Module:I18n/datatype">Module:i18n/datatype</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>any/generic</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>any kind of values automatically updated in items</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>any/generic</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q25344" title="Q25344">Q25344</a> currently I am using "inventory number" (<a href="/wiki/Property:P217" title="Property:P217">Property:P217</a>) instead</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>external (as given by the bot); URL & mail (formats include plain text, csv, zip, odt, xlsx, html, rss, ...)</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Because of <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/DrTrigonBot" title="Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/DrTrigonBot">Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/DrTrigonBot</a></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:DrTrigon" title="User:DrTrigon">DrTrigon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DrTrigon" title="User talk:DrTrigon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-DrTrigon-2013-03-22T20:54:00.000Z-DrTrigonBot_(String)_Value" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 22 March 2013 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> To be honest I am badly informed about wikidata, just to make that clear. I do think that I need a property to be created in order to store values, please confer <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/DrTrigonBot" title="Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/DrTrigonBot">Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/DrTrigonBot</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Infoboxes_task_force#Feasibility_of_DrTrigonBot/Subster_to_update_Wikidata" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata talk:Infoboxes task force">Wikidata talk:Infoboxes task force#Feasibility of DrTrigonBot/Subster to update Wikidata</a>. Thanks for all your help and patience. Greetings --<a href="/wiki/User:DrTrigon" title="User:DrTrigon">DrTrigon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DrTrigon" title="User talk:DrTrigon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-DrTrigon-2013-03-22T20:54:00.000Z-DrTrigonBot_(String)_Value-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 22 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Sorry. What do you need ? An property with a numeric datatype ? Or a property representing a numeric concept with a string as datatype ? If I take your example with swiss franc you want something like "currency division" to give the nominal value of each coin/note ( 0.05, 0.1, 0.2, 0.5, 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 200, 1000)? <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Snipre-2013-03-22T21:03:00.000Z-DrTrigon-2013-03-22T20:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 22 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>In fact I think a good thing would be a generic property (e.g. "DrTrigonBot Value" or even more generic "Bot Value") for the bot in cases when it has data to write for which no property was created yet - as it is the situation right now for a property "Currency Exchange Rate" (or similar) that is needed for swiss franc. This would allow the bot to already be tested or used without having the need to create always the suitable/correct property before being able to check if the bot works at all (in that specific situation), e.g. That would be a really good and useful/helpful thing! Thanks a lot for considering this and Greetings --<a href="/wiki/User:DrTrigon" title="User:DrTrigon">DrTrigon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DrTrigon" title="User talk:DrTrigon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-DrTrigon-2013-03-22T21:41:00.000Z-Snipre-2013-03-22T21:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Just for a test you can see if there is a property in request for deletion using string as datatype or a property which not used in a lot of item or finally try on the demo version of wikidata. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Snipre-2013-03-22T22:05:00.000Z-DrTrigon-2013-03-22T21:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Thats clear, currently I am using something else. Also the demo was already used to adopt the bot code. What I need is something permanent. In future and daily (usual) operation there will always be a case where you have to test, since the bot is freely configurable from here - by any user. --<a href="/wiki/User:DrTrigon" title="User:DrTrigon">DrTrigon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DrTrigon" title="User talk:DrTrigon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-DrTrigon-2013-03-22T22:36:00.000Z-Snipre-2013-03-22T22:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 22 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I think testing bots should not be done on the productive Wikidata, except in the <a href="/wiki/Q4115189" title="Q4115189">sandbox</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Faux" title="User:Faux">Faux</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Faux" title="User talk:Faux">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Faux-2013-03-23T17:04:00.000Z-DrTrigon-2013-03-22T22:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>It is not testing bots, but testing setups - as on wikipedia itself you will always have situations were you have to change something, modify setup of data, configuration and so on... at least that is what holds for me. Then I have to disagree because testing of bots is needed, e.g. in order to fullfill the bot flag request a given number (e.g. 250) of test edits have to be done. And there will in future clearly be other situations - as soon wikidata will be used frequently... Greetings --<a href="/wiki/User:DrTrigon" title="User:DrTrigon">DrTrigon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DrTrigon" title="User talk:DrTrigon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-DrTrigon-2013-03-23T20:55:00.000Z-Faux-2013-03-23T17:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 23 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>I mean ... it does not need to be something bot specific, what about general maintenance (for human users)? I would even more support such a property, that can be used if it is e.g. not clear yet what property to use, one has to be renamed, other name conflicts or anything else... --<a href="/wiki/User:DrTrigon" title="User:DrTrigon">DrTrigon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DrTrigon" title="User talk:DrTrigon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-DrTrigon-2013-03-23T20:59:00.000Z-Faux-2013-03-23T17:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 23 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Why not simply a sandbox property per datatype ? I do not see what harm can be done with that, as long as it is clear that it is a sandbox. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Zolo-2013-03-23T21:29:00.000Z-DrTrigon-2013-03-23T20:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:29, 23 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Sounds good! (+1) Thanks for the idea! Greetings --<a href="/wiki/User:DrTrigon" title="User:DrTrigon">DrTrigon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DrTrigon" title="User talk:DrTrigon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-DrTrigon-2013-03-23T22:41:00.000Z-Zolo-2013-03-23T21:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:41, 23 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>Do you plan using that sandbox property only on sandbox/test items, or also on production items? --<a href="/wiki/User:Faux" title="User:Faux">Faux</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Faux" title="User talk:Faux">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Faux-2013-03-24T12:12:00.000Z-Zolo-2013-03-23T21:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:12, 24 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I do not see anything wrong in using it other items. It will not look very good, and if we can avoid using it too massively, that is better, but raw Wikidata items do not look very good anyhow. The important thing is that it does not unintendedly get transcluded to Wikipedias and other clients. And as long as they do not query sandbox statements, I see no reason for that to happen. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Zolo-2013-03-24T12:22:00.000Z-Faux-2013-03-24T12:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:22, 24 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>So... are we done here, or for what are we waiting? ;) If you agree I would step forwards and create following 3 properties: <ol><li>Label: Sandbox-CommonsMediaFile / Description: Sandbox property for value of type "Commons Media File" / Data type: Commons Media File</li> <li>Label: Sandbox-Item / Description: Sandbox property for value of type "Item" / Data type: Item</li> <li>Label: Sandbox-String / Description: Sandbox property for value of type "String" / Data type: String</li></ol></dd> <dd>any comments or thoughts on this? Thanks and Greetings --<a href="/wiki/User:DrTrigon" title="User:DrTrigon">DrTrigon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DrTrigon" title="User talk:DrTrigon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-DrTrigon-2013-03-29T10:52:00.000Z-DrTrigon-2013-03-22T20:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:52, 29 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Ok here we go: <ol><li><a href="/wiki/Property:P368" title="Property:P368">Sandbox-CommonsMediaFile (P368)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P369" title="Property:P369">Sandbox-Item (P369)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P370" title="Property:P370">Sandbox-String (P370)</a></li></ol></dd> <dd>so these can be considered done but I think it makes sence to propose the future ones too and set them to the <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending">pending</a> page: <ul><li>Label: Sandbox-Quantity / Description: Sandbox property for value of type "Quantity" / Data type: Quantity</li> <li>(and all other data types to be introduced in future...)</li></ul></dd> <dd>Thanks for all your help! Greetings --<a href="/wiki/User:DrTrigon" title="User:DrTrigon">DrTrigon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DrTrigon" title="User talk:DrTrigon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-DrTrigon-2013-03-30T01:09:00.000Z-DrTrigon-2013-03-29T10:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:09, 30 March 2013 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Added the proposals to the pending page. Greetings --<a href="/wiki/User:DrTrigon" title="User:DrTrigon">DrTrigon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DrTrigon" title="User talk:DrTrigon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-DrTrigon-2013-03-30T12:51:00.000Z-DrTrigon-2013-03-30T01:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:51, 30 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Taxon_author" data-mw-thread-id="h-Taxon_author-DrTrigonBot_(String)_Value-2013-02-08T17:47:00.000Z">Taxon author</h5></div> <div>Status: Done</div> → <a href="/wiki/Property:P405" title="Property:P405">Property:P405</a> <ul><li>Description: the author(s) of the first scientific description</li> <li>Datatype: StringValue</li> <li>Links:</li> <li>Infobox parameter example:</li> <li>Comments: datatype could be Item? <dl><dd>Cannot be an Item because there are standardized author syntax like '(L.) Oken' where L. is the first author and Oken the author renaming Liné1 (talk) 08:05, 8 March 2013 (UTC)</dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. Data type should be item. - <a href="/wiki/User:Soulkeeper" title="User:Soulkeeper">Soulkeeper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Soulkeeper" title="User talk:Soulkeeper">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Soulkeeper-2013-02-08T17:47:00.000Z-Taxon_author" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:47, 8 February 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. This is a type of information that is commonly found in infoboxes and is therefore usefull or phase II. <a href="/wiki/User:Amphicoelias" title="User:Amphicoelias">Amphicoelias</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amphicoelias" title="User talk:Amphicoelias">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Amphicoelias-2013-03-07T12:17:00.000Z-Soulkeeper-2013-02-08T17:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:17, 7 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. Taxon name means nothing without the Taxon author because there are case of duplicated Taxon name that can only be separated with the author.<a href="/wiki/User:Lin%C3%A91" title="User:Liné1">Liné1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lin%C3%A91" title="User talk:Liné1">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Liné1-2013-03-08T08:05:00.000Z-Soulkeeper-2013-02-08T17:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:05, 8 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Mandatory as there are duplicates <a href="/wiki/User:Mirgolth" title="User:Mirgolth">Mirgolth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mirgolth" title="User talk:Mirgolth">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Mirgolth-2013-03-08T08:25:00.000Z-Soulkeeper-2013-02-08T17:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:25, 8 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. same. The real difficulty is to treat wikilinks, for which exact target name should differ on different wikis <a href="/wiki/User:Hexasoft" title="User:Hexasoft">Hexasoft</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hexasoft" title="User talk:Hexasoft">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Hexasoft-2013-03-08T08:51:00.000Z-Soulkeeper-2013-02-08T17:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:51, 8 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User:MichaelSchoenitzer">MichaelSchoenitzer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User talk:MichaelSchoenitzer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-MichaelSchoenitzer-2013-03-09T15:33:00.000Z-Soulkeeper-2013-02-08T17:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 9 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. --<a href="/wiki/User:Salixen" title="User:Salixen">Salixen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Salixen" title="User talk:Salixen">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Salixen-2013-03-13T15:10:00.000Z-Soulkeeper-2013-02-08T17:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 13 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Datatype should be item. Author acronyms can be implemented as an additional property of the biologists themselves. <a href="/wiki/User:23PowerZ" title="User:23PowerZ">23PowerZ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:23PowerZ" title="User talk:23PowerZ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-23PowerZ-2013-04-06T00:30:00.000Z-Soulkeeper-2013-02-08T17:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:30, 6 April 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Should be item. If I understand right, Liné1 is saying the syntax distinguishes between the author and subsequent renamers. If so, the right solution is to add another property for "taxon renamer". And if the abbreviation isn't trivial, 23PowerZ is right that can be its own property on the person's item. <a href="/wiki/User:Superm401" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Superm401">Superm401</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Superm401" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Superm401">Talk</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Superm401-2013-04-06T01:13:00.000Z-Soulkeeper-2013-02-08T17:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:13, 6 April 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Created with datatype set to items per most supporters. I understand the proposer's ideal behind using StringValue, but the community thinks this can be done with items. The property is here: <a href="/wiki/Property:P405" title="Property:P405">Property:P405</a>. — <a href="/wiki/User:Hahc21" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hahc21">ΛΧΣ</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hahc21" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Hahc21">21</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Hahc21-2013-04-07T19:43:00.000Z-Soulkeeper-2013-02-08T17:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 7 April 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="quantity_symbol_/_Formelzeichen" data-mw-thread-id="h-quantity_symbol_/_Formelzeichen-Unsorted-2013-03-22T08:22:00.000Z">quantity symbol / Formelzeichen</h4></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P416" title="Property:P416">quantity symbol (string)</a> (P416) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P416" title="Property talk:P416">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Symbol of a quantity (<a href="/wiki/Q1401551" title="Q1401551">Q1401551</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>Can be mapped to <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Infobox_Physikalische_Gr%C3%B6%C3%9Fe" class="extiw" title="de:Vorlage:Infobox Physikalische Größe">de:Vorlage:Infobox Physikalische Größe</a>: Formelzeichen.</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>physical quantitys (<a href="/wiki/Q107715" title="Q107715">Q107715</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Unicode symbol or sequence of symbols</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>“Q” and “q” for <a href="/wiki/Q1111" title="Q1111">electric charge</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q568496" title="Q568496">ISO/IEC 80000</a></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Fomafix" title="User:Fomafix">Fomafix</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fomafix" title="User talk:Fomafix">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#c-Fomafix-2013-03-22T08:22:00.000Z-quantity_symbol_/_Formelzeichen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 22 March 2013 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" 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