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Sections older than <b>73 days</b> may be automatically archived by <span class="nowraplinks"><a href="/wiki/User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III" title="User:Lowercase sigmabot III">Lowercase sigmabot III</a></span>.</td></tr> </tbody></table> <p class="mw-empty-elt"> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc" /> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_:_Newcastle-Gateshead_RDT" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_:_Newcastle-Gateshead_RDT-20241220083900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_:_Newcastle-Gateshead_RDT-20241220083900"></span>Template : Newcastle-Gateshead RDT<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_:_Newcastle-Gateshead_RDT-20241220083900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Template : Newcastle-Gateshead RDT"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <pre><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xenophon_Philosopher-20241220083900-Template_:_Newcastle-Gateshead_RDT"></span>Would it be too problematical to show both the former closed railway stations of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Gateshead_West&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Gateshead West (page does not exist)">Gateshead West</a> and <a href="/wiki/Gateshead_East" class="mw-redirect" title="Gateshead East">Gateshead East</a> on an expanded version of the RDT if someone could do that? </pre> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Xenophon_Philosopher" title="User:Xenophon Philosopher">Xenophon Philosopher</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xenophon_Philosopher" title="User talk:Xenophon Philosopher">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Xenophon_Philosopher-20241220083900-Template_:_Newcastle-Gateshead_RDT" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 20 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xenophon_Philosopher-20241220083900-Template_:_Newcastle-Gateshead_RDT"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xenophon_Philosopher-20241220083900-Template_:_Newcastle-Gateshead_RDT"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Redlinked_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-Redlinked_categories-20241221132600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Redlinked_categories-20241221132600"></span>Redlinked categories<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Redlinked_categories-20241221132600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Redlinked categories"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bearcat-20241221132600-Redlinked_categories"></span>Obviously, creating categories takes longer than removing them does, because one has to spend time investigating whether the category <i>should</i> exist or not, where in the tree would it fit, are there any other articles that need to be filed in it alongside the one page that's already there, and on and so forth. Removing a redlinked category only takes a few seconds, while creating a redlinked category takes a few <i>minutes</i>. </p><p>But the current run of <a href="/wiki/Special:WantedCategories" title="Special:WantedCategories">Special:WantedCategories</a> had <i>522</i> redlinks on it, meaning that if I were to spend five minutes on each category for a rate of just 12 redlinks sorted per hour, then I would have to invest <i>43 hours</i> of time into cleaning up the list. And since the list reupdates every three days with hundreds <i>more</i> redlinked categories, dealing with a few redlinks at a time over the course of several weeks isn't an option — each time the list updates, I have just 72 hours to get it cleared. But, of course, people also have to <i>sleep</i> for 24 of those 72 hours, effectively giving me an actual deadline of just <i>48</i> hours to clear the report to zero — so if I were to go with the five minutes per category option, I would have to spend 43 of those 48 hours doing nothing but creating redlinked categories, with just a five-hour reprieve before having to spend another 43 hours creating more redlinked categories. </p><p>It's not my job to spend 43 hours on it, however — I'm entitled to get through the job in a matter of <i>minutes</i>, which means spending no more than a few <i>seconds</i> on each page. </p><p>Sure, if you're seeing just one or two redlinked categories on just one or two pages, then obviously it doesn't seem to <i>you</i> like it should be a deep burden for me to just create the categories instead of removing them — spending five minutes instead of five seconds doesn't seem that onerous if you're talking about just one or two pages. But the job isn't one or two redlinks on one or two pages, it's <i>hundreds</i> of redlinks on <i>hundreds</i> of pages, which means that if I spend five minutes on each category I'd never have any time left to do anything else at all. </p><p>So the way redlinked categories work is not that it's my job to create them on other people's behalf. It's the job of the people who want any category to exist to create it themselves right away — if they leave it as a redlink, it's neither my job to create it for them nor my job to take any clapback from anybody about it. My job is to get the report cleaned up in the absolute <i>shortest</i> amount of time possible, which means getting each redlink cleaned up in a matter of seconds rather than minutes. And it isn't my job to <i>apologize</i> to anybody for deleting a redlinked category instead of creating it, either, so edit summaries criticizing me for not creating the categories are not appropriate or appreciated. <a href="/wiki/User:Bearcat" title="User:Bearcat">Bearcat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bearcat" title="User talk:Bearcat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Bearcat-20241221132600-Redlinked_categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 21 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bearcat-20241221132600-Redlinked_categories"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bearcat-20241221132600-Redlinked_categories"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Seasons_Greetings" data-mw-thread-id="h-Seasons_Greetings-20241222080100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Seasons_Greetings-20241222080100"></span>Seasons Greetings<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Seasons_Greetings-20241222080100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Seasons Greetings"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StarTrekker-20241222080100-Seasons_Greetings"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Magical_Stonehenge_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1628518.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Magical_Stonehenge_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1628518.jpg/250px-Magical_Stonehenge_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1628518.jpg" decoding="async" width="250" height="98" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Magical_Stonehenge_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1628518.jpg/375px-Magical_Stonehenge_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1628518.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Magical_Stonehenge_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1628518.jpg/500px-Magical_Stonehenge_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1628518.jpg 2x" data-file-width="640" data-file-height="250" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Robin_in_the_snow_3_(4250400943).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Robin_in_the_snow_3_%284250400943%29.jpg/92px-Robin_in_the_snow_3_%284250400943%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="92" height="100" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Robin_in_the_snow_3_%284250400943%29.jpg/138px-Robin_in_the_snow_3_%284250400943%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Robin_in_the_snow_3_%284250400943%29.jpg/184px-Robin_in_the_snow_3_%284250400943%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1128" data-file-height="1224" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p><a href="/wiki/User:StarTrekker" title="User:StarTrekker">★Trekker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StarTrekker" title="User talk:StarTrekker">talk</a>) is wishing you <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiLove" title="Wikipedia:WikiLove">Seasons Greetings</a>! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's <a href="/wiki/Solstice" title="Solstice">Solstice</a> or <a href="/wiki/Christmas" title="Christmas">Xmas</a>, <a href="/wiki/Diwali" title="Diwali">Diwali</a>, <a href="/wiki/Hogmanay" title="Hogmanay">Hogmanay</a>, <a href="/wiki/Hanukkah" title="Hanukkah">Hanukkah</a>, <a href="/wiki/Lenaia" title="Lenaia">Lenaia</a>, <a href="/wiki/Festivus" title="Festivus">Festivus</a> or even the <a href="/wiki/Saturnalia" title="Saturnalia">Saturnalia</a>, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! <br /> </p><p><small>Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{<i>subst</i>:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec12}} to your friends' talk pages</small>. </p> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div>, </div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:StarTrekker" title="User:StarTrekker">★Trekker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StarTrekker" title="User talk:StarTrekker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-StarTrekker-20241222080100-Seasons_Greetings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StarTrekker-20241222080100-Seasons_Greetings"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StarTrekker-20241222080100-Seasons_Greetings"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="December_music" data-mw-thread-id="h-December_music-20241225174700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-December_music-20241225174700"></span>December music<span data-mw-comment-end="h-December_music-20241225174700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: December music"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241225174700-December_music"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409" /><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1257001546">.mw-parser-output .infobox-subbox{padding:0;border:none;margin:-3px;width:auto;min-width:100%;font-size:100%;clear:none;float:none;background-color:transparent}.mw-parser-output .infobox-3cols-child{margin:auto}.mw-parser-output .infobox .navbar{font-size:100%}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data:not(.notheme)>div:not(.notheme)[style]{background:#1f1f23!important;color:#f8f9fa}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data:not(.notheme) div:not(.notheme){background:#1f1f23!important;color:#f8f9fa}}@media(min-width:640px){body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table{display:table!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table>caption{display:table-caption!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table>tbody{display:table-row-group}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table tr{display:table-row!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table th,body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table td{padding-left:inherit;padding-right:inherit}}</style><table class="infobox nowrap plainlist" style="width:auto; background-color:#ddd; border:5px solid #ddd; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75);; border-radius:0.5em;"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-image"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Ehrenbach,_snow_on_grass_melting.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Ehrenbach%2C_snow_on_grass_melting.jpg/180px-Ehrenbach%2C_snow_on_grass_melting.jpg" decoding="async" width="180" height="135" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Ehrenbach%2C_snow_on_grass_melting.jpg/270px-Ehrenbach%2C_snow_on_grass_melting.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Ehrenbach%2C_snow_on_grass_melting.jpg/360px-Ehrenbach%2C_snow_on_grass_melting.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3574" data-file-height="2681" /></a></span></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Top" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Top">story</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt#Music" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">music</a> · <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Places_and_songs_2024#3_Dec" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2024">places</a></th></tr></tbody></table> <p>Coming from Graham87's talk: thank you what you told him! My <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Stories#25_Dec" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Stories">first Christmas story</a> is about <a href="/wiki/Gelobet_seist_du,_Jesu_Christ,_BWV_91" title="Gelobet seist du, Jesu Christ, BWV 91">Gelobet seist du, Jesu Christ, BWV 91</a>, 300 years today, and its song, 500 years old. Enjoy the season! -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Gerda_Arendt-20241225174700-December_music" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241225174700-December_music"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241225174700-December_music"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20241225182500-Gerda_Arendt-20241225174700"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48" /></span></span> <b>Thank you</b></span> --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🦌 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20241225182500-Gerda_Arendt-20241225174700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 25 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20241225182500-Gerda_Arendt-20241225174700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20241225182500-Gerda_Arendt-20241225174700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Naleork" data-mw-thread-id="h-Naleork-20241226090000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Naleork-20241226090000"></span>Naleork<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Naleork-20241226090000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Naleork"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-10mmsocket-20241226090000-Naleork"></span>Following your reversion of Naleork's future TOC stuff I thought you might have an opinion on this: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Railways#Too_soon_/_WP:CRYSTALBALL" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways">Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Railways#Too_soon_/_WP:CRYSTALBALL</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:10mmsocket" title="User:10mmsocket">10mmsocket</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:10mmsocket" title="User talk:10mmsocket">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-10mmsocket-20241226090000-Naleork" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-10mmsocket-20241226090000-Naleork"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-10mmsocket-20241226090000-Naleork"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion-20241229002600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion-20241229002600"></span>Notice of noticeboard discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion-20241229002600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Notice of noticeboard discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20241229002600-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/25px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/38px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/50px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620" /></span></span> There is currently a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard</a> regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#User:Redrose64_conduct_at_VPT" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">User:Redrose64 conduct at VPT</a>. Thank you. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🦌 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20241229002600-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20241229002600-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20241229002600-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BusterD-20241229115900-Redrose64-20241229002600"></span>Are you doing okay? <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=1265815736">In this diff</a> it appears you were baited (and you bit down). And kept escalating it. With a longtime wikipedian. Not your best moment, but nothing actionable. I don't know all the backstory, but it looks like for just a second, you got defensive. Don't feel bad, and don't feel alone. Lately I have felt the pace upped somewhat, in my case by ai stuff. By your self-post it appeared you were looking for feedback. I think it was trolling, but you didn't have to own it. They hadn't provided diffs or mentioned anyone, so their complaint was not an issue at all. So I'm asking in a friendly way: how ya doin? <a href="/wiki/User:BusterD" title="User:BusterD">BusterD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BusterD" title="User talk:BusterD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-BusterD-20241229115900-Redrose64-20241229002600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BusterD-20241229115900-Redrose64-20241229002600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BusterD-20241229115900-Redrose64-20241229002600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20241229121600-BusterD-20241229115900"></span>Thanks for asking. It's frustration. Advice was requested, which I gave; and was shot down for doing so. See also <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz#Reporting_myself_-_why" title="User talk:Liz">User talk:Liz#Reporting myself - why</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🦌 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20241229121600-BusterD-20241229115900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20241229121600-BusterD-20241229115900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20241229121600-BusterD-20241229115900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BusterD-20241229133200-Redrose64-20241229121600"></span>Liz's talk page was where I saw it first. There's a lot going upon right now and 2025 will be much weirder. Hang in there. Both of you are adults, so no harm done. <a href="/wiki/User:BusterD" title="User:BusterD">BusterD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BusterD" title="User talk:BusterD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-BusterD-20241229133200-Redrose64-20241229121600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 29 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BusterD-20241229133200-Redrose64-20241229121600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BusterD-20241229133200-Redrose64-20241229121600"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User:ActivelyDisinterested"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20241229144900-BusterD-20241229133200"></span>ActivelyDisinterested</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User talk:ActivelyDisinterested">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested" title="Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested">contribs</a>) is now criticising me at VPT for fixing the problem, and is also claiming that I reverted some edit or other. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🦌 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20241229144900-BusterD-20241229133200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20241229144900-BusterD-20241229133200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20241229144900-BusterD-20241229133200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BusterD-20241229155600-Redrose64-20241229144900"></span>Just decide how much you're going to let it bother you. That's all I can add. <a href="/wiki/User:BusterD" title="User:BusterD">BusterD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BusterD" title="User talk:BusterD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-BusterD-20241229155600-Redrose64-20241229144900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BusterD-20241229155600-Redrose64-20241229144900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BusterD-20241229155600-Redrose64-20241229144900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WIkiProject_Doctor_Who:_December_2024_Newsletter" data-mw-thread-id="h-WIkiProject_Doctor_Who:_December_2024_Newsletter-20241231035000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WIkiProject_Doctor_Who:_December_2024_Newsletter-20241231035000"></span>WIkiProject <i>Doctor Who</i>: December 2024 Newsletter<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WIkiProject_Doctor_Who:_December_2024_Newsletter-20241231035000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: WIkiProject Doctor Who: December 2024 Newsletter"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="position: relative; margin-left: 2em; margin-right: 2em; padding: 0.5em 1em; background-color:#CAF1FF; border: 2px solid #bddff2; border-color: rgba( 109, 193, 240, 0.75 ); border-radius: 8px; box-shadow: 8px 8px 12px rgba( 0, 0, 0, 0.7 );"> <tbody><tr> <td><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><span style="font-size: 110%;"><big><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241231035000-WIkiProject_Doctor_Who:_December_2024_Newsletter"></span>The Space-Time Telegraph</b></big><br /><b>Volume II, Issue III — December 2024<br /></b>Brought to you by the editors of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Doctor_Who" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Doctor Who">WikiProject <i>Doctor Who</i></a></span></div> <div style="float:right; width: 75px; height: 60px;"></div> <div style="position: absolute; top: -20px; left: -12px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:The_Twelfth_Doctor%27s_Sonic_Screwdriver_transparent_background.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/The_Twelfth_Doctor%27s_Sonic_Screwdriver_transparent_background.png/65px-The_Twelfth_Doctor%27s_Sonic_Screwdriver_transparent_background.png" decoding="async" width="65" height="65" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/The_Twelfth_Doctor%27s_Sonic_Screwdriver_transparent_background.png/98px-The_Twelfth_Doctor%27s_Sonic_Screwdriver_transparent_background.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/The_Twelfth_Doctor%27s_Sonic_Screwdriver_transparent_background.png/130px-The_Twelfth_Doctor%27s_Sonic_Screwdriver_transparent_background.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a></span></div> <div style="position: absolute; top: -20px; right: -12px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:TARDIS-trans.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/TARDIS-trans.png/40px-TARDIS-trans.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/TARDIS-trans.png/60px-TARDIS-trans.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/TARDIS-trans.png/80px-TARDIS-trans.png 2x" data-file-width="635" data-file-height="889" /></a></span></div> <hr style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgba( 109, 193, 240, 0.75 );" /> <div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">Anyone for a <a href="/wiki/Joy_to_the_World_(Doctor_Who)" title="Joy to the World (Doctor Who)">Ham and Cheese Toastie and a Pumpkin Latte</a>? <p><big><b>Joy to the Doctor Who WikiProjects</b></big> </p> <dl><dd>Hello and welcome to the third issue of the new newsletter! A look ahead to the happenings of the WikiProject as we welcome a new year</dd></dl></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1088965794">@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .columns-start .column{float:left;min-width:20em}.mw-parser-output .columns-2 .column{width:50%}.mw-parser-output .columns-3 .column{width:33.3%}.mw-parser-output .columns-4 .column{width:25%}.mw-parser-output .columns-5 .column{width:20%}}</style><div class="columns-start columns-2"><div class="column"> <p><big><b>Continued Improvement of Content</b></big> </p> <dl><dd>Since the last Newsletter, the articles "<a href="/wiki/Eve_of_the_Daleks" title="Eve of the Daleks">Eve of the Daleks</a>", <i><a href="/wiki/Terror_of_the_Zygons" title="Terror of the Zygons">Terror of the Zygons</a></i>, "<a href="/wiki/The_Name_of_the_Doctor" title="The Name of the Doctor">The Name of the Doctor</a>", "<a href="/wiki/Silence_in_the_Library" title="Silence in the Library">Silence in the Library</a>", <a href="/wiki/Doctor_Who_series_2" title="Doctor Who series 2"><i>Doctor Who</i> series 2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Mel_Bush" title="Mel Bush">Mel Bush</a>, <a href="/wiki/Peter_Capaldi" title="Peter Capaldi">Peter Capaldi</a>, "<a href="/wiki/Midnight_(Doctor_Who)" title="Midnight (Doctor Who)">Midnight</a>", "<a href="/wiki/Forest_of_the_Dead" title="Forest of the Dead">Forest of the Dead</a>", "<a href="/wiki/The_Church_on_Ruby_Road" title="The Church on Ruby Road">The Church on Ruby Road</a>", <a href="/wiki/Doctor_Who_specials_(2023)" title="Doctor Who specials (2023)"><i>Doctor Who</i> specials (2023)</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Doctor_Who_series_14" title="Doctor Who series 14"><i>Doctor Who</i> series 14</a> have all been promoted to Good Article status. The Good Topic <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_topics/Doctor_Who_specials_(2023)" title="Wikipedia:Good topics/Doctor Who specials (2023)"><i>Doctor Who</i> specials (2023)</a> and the Featured Topic <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_topics/Peter_Capaldi" title="Wikipedia:Featured topics/Peter Capaldi">Peter Capaldi</a> have also been promoted.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>With the amount of articles promoted in the year, we have had our second most productive year of all time, falling just short of beating the record set by 2012. Work is continuing underway on articles Project-wide, and the Good Topic for the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Doctor_Who/Goals#2005–present" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Doctor Who/Goals">revived era</a> nears completion.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Ongoing discussion and goals can be found at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Doctor_Who/Goals" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Doctor Who/Goals">WP:WikiProject Doctor Who/Goals</a> and nominees for promoted content <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Doctor_Who/Article_alerts#GAN" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Doctor Who/Article alerts">here</a>. Feel free to contribute in writing or in reviewing!</dd></dl> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794" /></div><div class="column"> <p><big><b>Reliable Sources</b></big> </p> <dl><dd>A <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Doctor_Who#CultBox" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Doctor Who">discussion</a> on the reliability of <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://cultbox.co.uk/">CultBox</a> has determined that it should be phased out of use in the WikiProject. This source has been widely used across project articles, especially for information about filming. Concerns that the website is self-published and has poor editorial standards were raised. In some articles, project editors have already begun depreciating the source.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Similar concerns were raised about <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doctorwhotv.co.uk">Doctor Who TV (doctorwho.tv.co.uk)</a>. Uses of this source have also been depreciated. This website should NOT be confused with <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doctorwho.tv">Doctor Who TV (doctorwho.tv)</a>, a commercial website published by the Beeb, which is acceptable for use as a primary source.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>As discussed in the previous issue, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doctorwhonews.net/">Doctor Who News</a> has been widely phased out where possible. If you have any comments about these sources or any others, please contribute to the discussions on the project talk page.</dd></dl> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794" /></div><div class="column"> <p><big><b>Novels Being Overhauled</b></big> </p> <dl><dd>The scrutiny on many of the Doctor's past adventures through print over the years continues in regard to determining their individual notability. Discussions can be found on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Doctor_Who" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Doctor Who">the WikiProject's talk page</a>, with discussion still well under way in ironing out which articles pass the notability bar.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>You can contribute by helping to improve articles of the novels, and other extended media, and bringing attention to the ones that might not.</dd></dl> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794" /></div><div class="column"> <p><big><b>Project Barnstar</b></big> </p> <dl><dd>In breaking news, it appears that Torchwood Three has been raided. The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Resurrection_gauntlet">resurrection gauntlet</a> has been stolen and used on the <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Doctor_Who_Award" title="Template:WikiProject Doctor Who Award">WikiProject <i>Doctor Who</i> Barnstar</a>. If you notice exceptional contributions in project areas by any editor, feel free to show them some appreciation by awarding them their very own ✨barnstar✨.</dd></dl> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:DoctorWho-Barnstar2.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/DoctorWho-Barnstar2.png" decoding="async" width="111" height="106" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="111" data-file-height="106" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> </div><div style="clear: both"></div></div> <div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><big><b>Intelligence Bulletin from the Subwave Network</b></big></div> <ul><li><i><a href="/wiki/The_War_Between_the_Land_and_the_Sea" title="The War Between the Land and the Sea">The War Between the Land and the Sea</a></i> concluded filming on 10 December.</li> <li>A 90-minute colourised version of <i><a href="/wiki/The_War_Games" title="The War Games">The War Games</a></i> aired on 23 December.</li> <li>"<a href="/wiki/Joy_to_the_World_(Doctor_Who)" title="Joy to the World (Doctor Who)">Joy to the World</a>" aired on 25 December.</li> <li>An animated version of the completely missing First Doctor serial, <i><a href="/wiki/The_Savages_(Doctor_Who)" title="The Savages (Doctor Who)">The Savages</a></i>, is due to be released in March 2025.</li> <li>The editorial board of the newsletter is able to exclusively confirm that there will be no Dalek shenanigans for the third consecutive New Year. 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I've moved the big list to me mainspace for personal use. I think it's clearer to just have a simple list of blue linked entries. ♦ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dr._Blofeld" title="User talk:Dr. Blofeld"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#aba67e"><i>Dr. Blofeld</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Dr._Blofeld-20250103134200-List_of_jazz_tunes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dr._Blofeld-20250103134200-List_of_jazz_tunes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dr._Blofeld-20250103134200-List_of_jazz_tunes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250103214000-Dr._Blofeld-20250103134200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dr._Blofeld" title="User:Dr. Blofeld">Dr. Blofeld</a>:</span> It's ten months since <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_jazz_tunes&diff=prev&oldid=1211229040">the move took place</a></span>. In the meantime, the redirect has become a set index. What should be done with <a href="/wiki/List_of_jazz_standards" title="List of jazz standards">List of jazz standards</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🦌 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250103214000-Dr._Blofeld-20250103134200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250103214000-Dr._Blofeld-20250103134200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250103214000-Dr._Blofeld-20250103134200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dr._Blofeld-20250103220800-Redrose64-20250103214000"></span>I created the index.. ♦ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dr._Blofeld" title="User talk:Dr. Blofeld"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#aba67e"><i>Dr. Blofeld</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Dr._Blofeld-20250103220800-Redrose64-20250103214000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 3 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dr._Blofeld-20250103220800-Redrose64-20250103214000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dr._Blofeld-20250103220800-Redrose64-20250103214000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dr._Blofeld-20250103221200-Dr._Blofeld-20250103220800"></span>Perhaps it's best to keep it as List of jazz tunes, given that many are minor standards. Then entries can gradually be added once the articles are started. ♦ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dr._Blofeld" title="User talk:Dr. Blofeld"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#aba67e"><i>Dr. Blofeld</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Dr._Blofeld-20250103221200-Dr._Blofeld-20250103220800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dr._Blofeld-20250103221200-Dr._Blofeld-20250103220800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dr._Blofeld-20250103221200-Dr._Blofeld-20250103220800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wheel_arrangements" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wheel_arrangements-20250104204800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wheel_arrangements-20250104204800"></span>Wheel arrangements<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wheel_arrangements-20250104204800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Wheel arrangements"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John-20250104204800-Wheel_arrangements"></span>Thanks for that, I did wonder when I saw it go by. I'll flag it as a false positive at AWB. <a href="/wiki/User:John" title="User:John">John</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John" title="User talk:John">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-John-20250104204800-Wheel_arrangements" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 4 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John-20250104204800-Wheel_arrangements"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John-20250104204800-Wheel_arrangements"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IMSA_SportsCar_Championship_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-IMSA_SportsCar_Championship_template-20250107000400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IMSA_SportsCar_Championship_template-20250107000400"></span>IMSA SportsCar Championship template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IMSA_SportsCar_Championship_template-20250107000400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: IMSA SportsCar Championship template"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SteeledDock541-20250107000400-IMSA_SportsCar_Championship_template"></span>Thanks for fixing that. That's my fault for not noticing and updating the name in the template. Sorry about that. <a href="/wiki/User:SteeledDock541" title="User:SteeledDock541">SteeledDock541</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SteeledDock541" title="User talk:SteeledDock541">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-SteeledDock541-20250107000400-IMSA_SportsCar_Championship_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SteeledDock541-20250107000400-IMSA_SportsCar_Championship_template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SteeledDock541-20250107000400-IMSA_SportsCar_Championship_template"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ANI_regarding_the_IP_hopping_editor" data-mw-thread-id="h-ANI_regarding_the_IP_hopping_editor-20250110103400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ANI_regarding_the_IP_hopping_editor-20250110103400"></span>ANI regarding the IP hopping editor<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ANI_regarding_the_IP_hopping_editor-20250110103400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: ANI regarding the IP hopping editor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Danners430-20250110103400-ANI_regarding_the_IP_hopping_editor"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/25px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/38px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/50px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620" /></span></span> There is currently a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents</a> regarding the IP hopping editor adding invalid parameters to locomotive articles. The thread is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#IP_hopper_repeatedly_adding_unsourced_and_incorrect_information_to_UK_Rail_articles" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">IP hopper repeatedly adding unsourced and incorrect information to UK Rail articles</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Danners430" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Danners430">Danners430</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danners430" title="User talk:Danners430">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Danners430-20250110103400-ANI_regarding_the_IP_hopping_editor" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:34, 10 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Danners430-20250110103400-ANI_regarding_the_IP_hopping_editor"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Danners430-20250110103400-ANI_regarding_the_IP_hopping_editor"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Autoconfirmed_permission_disappeared" data-mw-thread-id="h-Autoconfirmed_permission_disappeared-20250111221700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Autoconfirmed_permission_disappeared-20250111221700"></span>Autoconfirmed permission disappeared<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Autoconfirmed_permission_disappeared-20250111221700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Autoconfirmed permission disappeared"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BittersweetParadox-20250111221700-Autoconfirmed_permission_disappeared"></span>Hello, </p><p>I have been on Wikipedia for over a year and have more than enough edits to be autoconfirmed. However, I do not have the permission for some reason. I have "extended confirmed users" and "pending changes reviewers," but not autoconfirmed, so I cannot move pages. I was trying to change the title of a category I created ("Category:Negro League Baseball players from Puerto Rico"); I wanted to make "League" and "Baseball" lowercase to conform with the format of their parent category, "Negro league baseball players." However, when I went to move it, I could not find the move button and did some research, leading me to realize that I do not have the "autoconfirmed" status. </p><p>There is not a way to request that status, which is why I am contacting you. Either I am not able to find the move button, or my "autoconfirmed" status got taken away for some reason. Thank you for your time! <a href="/wiki/User:BittersweetParadox" title="User:BittersweetParadox">BittersweetParadox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BittersweetParadox" title="User talk:BittersweetParadox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-BittersweetParadox-20250111221700-Autoconfirmed_permission_disappeared" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:17, 11 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BittersweetParadox-20250111221700-Autoconfirmed_permission_disappeared"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BittersweetParadox-20250111221700-Autoconfirmed_permission_disappeared"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250111222900-BittersweetParadox-20250111221700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:BittersweetParadox" title="User:BittersweetParadox">BittersweetParadox</a>:</span> First, you do have autoconfirmed - you couldn't have got extended-confirmed without it. I also don't think that it's possible to lose autoconfirmed, even if you're not extended-confirmed. But see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Moving_a_page#How_to_move_a_category" title="Wikipedia:Moving a page">Wikipedia:Moving a page#How to move a category</a> - even with extended-confirmed, you can't move categories. This is because moving a category page is much more complicated than moving other pages; instead, you should file a rename request at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CFDS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CFDS">WP:CFDS</a> where experienced users will check that the move is in order, perform the move, and also all of the ancillary cleanup that is required. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250111222900-BittersweetParadox-20250111221700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:29, 11 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250111222900-BittersweetParadox-20250111221700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250111222900-BittersweetParadox-20250111221700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="January_music" data-mw-thread-id="h-January_music-20250114202700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-January_music-20250114202700"></span>January music<span data-mw-comment-end="h-January_music-20250114202700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: January music"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250114202700-January_music"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409" /><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1257001546" /><table class="infobox nowrap plainlist" style="width:auto; background-color:#ddd; border:5px solid #ddd; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75);; border-radius:0.5em;"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-image"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Ehrenbach_icicles.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Ehrenbach_icicles.jpg/180px-Ehrenbach_icicles.jpg" decoding="async" width="180" height="135" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Ehrenbach_icicles.jpg/270px-Ehrenbach_icicles.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Ehrenbach_icicles.jpg/360px-Ehrenbach_icicles.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3806" data-file-height="2855" /></a></span></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Top" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Top">story</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt#Music" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">music</a> · <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Places_and_songs_2025#16_Jan" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2025">places</a></th></tr></tbody></table> <p>Happy new year 2025! Today, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Main_Page_history/2025_January_14" title="Wikipedia:Main Page history/2025 January 14">pictured on the Main page</a>, <a href="/wiki/Tosca" title="Tosca">Tosca</a>, in memory of her first appearance on stage OTD in 1900, and of principal author <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brianboulton" title="User talk:Brianboulton">Brian Boulton</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250114202700-January_music" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250114202700-January_music"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250114202700-January_music"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250115165400-Gerda_Arendt-20250114202700"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48" /></span></span> <b>Thank you</b></span> --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250115165400-Gerda_Arendt-20250114202700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 15 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250115165400-Gerda_Arendt-20250114202700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250115165400-Gerda_Arendt-20250114202700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250121090000-Redrose64-20250115165400"></span>Today I had <a href="/wiki/Elgar_Howarth" title="Elgar Howarth">a composer</a> (trumpeter, conductor) on the main page who worked closely with <a href="/wiki/Alexander_Goehr" title="Alexander Goehr">another</a> who just became GA, - small world! To celebrate: mostly flowers pics from vacation ;) --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Gerda_Arendt-20250121090000-Redrose64-20250115165400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:00, 21 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250121090000-Redrose64-20250115165400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20250121090000-Redrose64-20250115165400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Minor_disused_UK_railway_stations." data-mw-thread-id="h-Minor_disused_UK_railway_stations.-20250116100200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Minor_disused_UK_railway_stations.-20250116100200"></span>Minor disused UK railway stations.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Minor_disused_UK_railway_stations.-20250116100200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Minor disused UK railway stations."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PamD-20250116100200-Minor_disused_UK_railway_stations."></span>Thanks for adding a solid source to <a href="/wiki/Annesley_South_Junction_Halt_railway_station" title="Annesley South Junction Halt railway station">Annesley South Junction Halt railway station</a>. You may or may not be aware of the context: see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Me_(DragonofBatley)" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Me (DragonofBatley)</a>. Your expertise, and your bookshelf, could be very helpful in upgrading some of the articles under consideration. <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span style="color: green"><i><b>Pam</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PamD" title="User talk:PamD"><span style="color: brown"><i><b>D</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-PamD-20250116100200-Minor_disused_UK_railway_stations." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:02, 16 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PamD-20250116100200-Minor_disused_UK_railway_stations."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PamD-20250116100200-Minor_disused_UK_railway_stations."></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KJP1-20250120221700-Minor_disused_UK_railway_stations."></span>As the book isn't being cited, I'm a bit puzzled as to why you think the {{cite book}} template is appropriate? A link for the book is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://search.worldcat.org/title/1266449742?oclcNum=1266449742">here</a>. Would you prefer this? <a href="/wiki/User:KJP1" title="User:KJP1">KJP1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KJP1" title="User talk:KJP1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-KJP1-20250120221700-Minor_disused_UK_railway_stations." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KJP1-20250120221700-Minor_disused_UK_railway_stations."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KJP1-20250120221700-Minor_disused_UK_railway_stations."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250120222700-KJP1-20250120221700"></span>The template helps to format it, it doesn't imply that the book is being cited as a reference. But the URL does not yield the text of the book - it is the publisher's web page about the book, and gives virtually no information about the station, other than the fact that it is the subject of two photographs in the book. We don't need the WorldCat link if the <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|isbn=</code> is supplied. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250120222700-KJP1-20250120221700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250120222700-KJP1-20250120221700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250120222700-KJP1-20250120221700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KJP1-20250120223700-Redrose64-20250120222700"></span>Maybe I'm tired, but as far as I can see neither url gives any information about the station. If you have the book and it provides coverage of the station, can't we just use it as a source, and include whatever content it has? It's not as if the article as it stands is cite-heavy. <a href="/wiki/User:KJP1" title="User:KJP1">KJP1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KJP1" title="User talk:KJP1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-KJP1-20250120223700-Redrose64-20250120222700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 20 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KJP1-20250120223700-Redrose64-20250120222700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KJP1-20250120223700-Redrose64-20250120222700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250120231700-KJP1-20250120223700"></span>I don't have the book. Perhaps <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD">PamD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PamD" title="User talk:PamD">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PamD" title="Special:Contributions/PamD">contribs</a>) does, as they <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Annesley_South_Junction_Halt_railway_station&diff=prev&oldid=1269164891">added the mention</a></span> in the first place. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250120231700-KJP1-20250120223700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250120231700-KJP1-20250120223700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250120231700-KJP1-20250120223700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PamD-20250120233600-Redrose64-20250120231700"></span>I only found the publishers' website, with its table of contents which helps verify the halt's existence and name, and added it as Further Reading because that seemed a good place for an RS I can't access but where the info I can access shows that it has a couple of pages about (or pages of photos of) it. <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span style="color: green"><i><b>Pam</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PamD" title="User talk:PamD"><span style="color: brown"><i><b>D</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-PamD-20250120233600-Redrose64-20250120231700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PamD-20250120233600-Redrose64-20250120231700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PamD-20250120233600-Redrose64-20250120231700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PamD-20250120234900-PamD-20250120233600"></span>Ah, I misread it: a couple of photos, not pages. But still evidence of station name, which was thin on the ground when I added it. I think the other two sites are External links, rather than FR. And yes using the cite book template when not citing is common eg in lists of an author's work: it formats it consistently, and links the isbn. <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span style="color: green"><i><b>Pam</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PamD" title="User talk:PamD"><span style="color: brown"><i><b>D</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-PamD-20250120234900-PamD-20250120233600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 20 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PamD-20250120234900-PamD-20250120233600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PamD-20250120234900-PamD-20250120233600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KJP1-20250120234900-PamD-20250120233600"></span>No worries. I will leave as is. If I get really obsessed I shall buy it <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166936123180?_skw=nottingham+towards+kirby-in-ashfield&epid=10046708448&itmmeta=01JJ31QFS1ZKJB6T1P0MQACM0G&hash=item26de2b172c:g:Bo4AAOSw6cRgip2T&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA4HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKlcZgmk1LZbNaqm%2BOIshCWkAuhOLSQfo2WLo5aEaeKFInXoblA6Z3mPD%2BHF3bP348JL98FsZIa4d3qQruBfcHiYauz7xVGabkCFum1bYzJczfDg7b%2F9NwDLVWsIfOtXWRCRqGDjwKp5uoL8XfemSK%2FrHLtDI82EN%2BF6qrekCR15o7T3v0oEyf0HYwTal0Eb3AKijCFQLwnN8eoxUPqn6x6EcP6mLC2WXPUrovk1qFmaOTtv%2F7VB%2B7WPUblzn2WdnQNM%2FaroerlT1sZO88H8rxbe%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9T83eGQZQ">online</a>, pay the exorbitant shipping costs, and cite it myself! It’s one of the many odd quirks of Wikipedia - my grandfather was born in Annesley and likely travelled on that very line. <a href="/wiki/User:KJP1" title="User:KJP1">KJP1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KJP1" title="User talk:KJP1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-KJP1-20250120234900-PamD-20250120233600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 20 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KJP1-20250120234900-PamD-20250120233600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KJP1-20250120234900-PamD-20250120233600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Railway_Children" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Railway_Children-20250122232000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Railway_Children-20250122232000"></span>The Railway Children<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Railway_Children-20250122232000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: The Railway Children"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-86.162.44.232-20250122232000-The_Railway_Children"></span>Thanks for getting the 1991 Series changed to the original Radio 5 <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a 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Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Beland" title="User:Beland">Beland</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beland" title="User talk:Beland">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Beland-20250130054600-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_30_§_7th" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:46, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beland-20250130054600-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_30_§_7th"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beland-20250130054600-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_30_§_7th"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_rail_accidents_in_the_United_Kingdom" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_rail_accidents_in_the_United_Kingdom-20250201115400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_rail_accidents_in_the_United_Kingdom-20250201115400"></span>List of rail accidents in the United Kingdom<span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_rail_accidents_in_the_United_Kingdom-20250201115400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: List of rail accidents in the United Kingdom"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Isimmons1-20250201115400-List_of_rail_accidents_in_the_United_Kingdom"></span>I made a contribution regarding the death of my grandfather on the 9th December 1970 at the Chivers Level Crossing. </p><p>His death certificated states: Died of multiple Injuries as a result of the train which "he was driving" accidently running into the trailer of an articulated lorry there on that day. I can provide a copy of the death certificate. </p><p>See the accident report: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/DoT_Chivers1976.pdf">https://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/DoT_Chivers1976.pdf</a> this crash was almost identical. On page 4 paragraph 5 it mentions the his death on the 9th of December 1970. </p><p>See: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.eastanglianrailwayarchive.co.uk/Railways/Ely-to-Norwich/i-2QFmqfB">https://www.eastanglianrailwayarchive.co.uk/Railways/Ely-to-Norwich/i-2QFmqfB</a> </p><p>I have had feedback from: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.railwayaccidents.port.ac.uk/sorry-no-registration-allowed/">https://www.railwayaccidents.port.ac.uk/sorry-no-registration-allowed/</a> </p><p>See: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.railcar.co.uk/topic/accidents/1970s">https://www.railcar.co.uk/topic/accidents/1970s</a> </p><p>Also read the the 1970 Chief Inspector of Railways Annual Health and Safety Report – see paragraph 123. I can provide a copy. </p><p>See: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/eventsummary.php?eventID=460">https://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/eventsummary.php?eventID=460</a> follow link to the PDF report. </p><p>I think that is sufficient evidence for you to see my grandfather was killed there. I am not sure what "Source" you read but you unfortunately missed the part about my grandfather the train driver being killed there on the 9th of December. </p><p>Look forward to hearing from you. Please don't delete again. </p><p>Kind regards. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isimmons1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isimmons1 (page does not exist)">Isimmons1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isimmons1" title="User talk:Isimmons1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Isimmons1-20250201115400-List_of_rail_accidents_in_the_United_Kingdom" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:54, 1 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Isimmons1-20250201115400-List_of_rail_accidents_in_the_United_Kingdom"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Isimmons1-20250201115400-List_of_rail_accidents_in_the_United_Kingdom"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250201143000-Isimmons1-20250201115400"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isimmons1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isimmons1 (page does not exist)">Isimmons1</a>:</span> You refer, presumably, to <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_rail_accidents_in_the_United_Kingdom&diff=prev&oldid=1273230528">this revert</a></span>. This is now the <i>fourth</i> time that you have added that content. Your edit summary reads <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">redrose has not check his facts. I will message redrose with the fact as I had to with another person who deleted my contribution regarding the death of my grandfather. I think his family and friends know more about this. it was more than merely a "car accident". This accident was identical to one in 1976 same location. See that report. top of page 4 paragraph 5.</q></dd> <dd>Can we forget, for the moment, your claim that your grandfather was killed there. The content that you wish to include reads: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Shippea_Hill_railway_station" title="Shippea Hill railway station">Chivers Occupation</a> level crossing, Cambridgeshire: Passenger train collided with lorry on unmanned level crossing</li></ul></dd> <dd>It was agreed, some years ago, that level crossing collisions were <i>simply not worth writing about</i>, unless they were major accidents such as <a href="/wiki/Hixon_rail_crash" title="Hixon rail crash">Hixon (1968)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Ufton_Nervet_rail_crash" title="Ufton Nervet rail crash">Ufton Nervet (2004)</a>. Many level crossing accidents are the fault of the road user, and there are several each year. Why is this incident at Chivers occupation crossing at all significant? The fact that there is no entry for it in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/eventlisting.php?page=2&endYear=1970&startYear=1970">The Railways Archive for 1970</a> could be because of several reasons, but two that immediately spring to mind are (i) no report was published; or (ii) a report was published, but The Railways Archive do not consider it to be significant enough to prioritise over other, more serious, accidents. You will see from the link that I have provided that they don't ignore level crossing accidents entirely - but Low Fields Farm (October 1970) was an error by railway staff, and Upper Denton (December 1970) was due to the design of the crossing. The report on Chivers occupation crossing (1976) blames the road driver, and in mentioning the 1970 accident, remarking that the two occurrences were <q>very similar</q>.</dd> <dd>Whether the driver who was killed was your grandfather or not should have no bearing on including the content, because <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTMEMORIAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTMEMORIAL">Wikipedia is not a ... memorial site</a>. Your possession of a death certificate is inadmissible, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">the policy on verifiability</a>. Even if the death cert <i>were</i> allowed, the statement <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704" /><q class="inline-quote-talk">Died of multiple Injuries as a result of the train which "he was driving" accidently running into the trailer of an articulated lorry there on that day.</q> does not give the location. This seems to me that you are putting two different sources together to draw a separate conclusion, which is inadmissible per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SYNTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SYNTH">the policy on synthesis of published material</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250201143000-Isimmons1-20250201115400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 1 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250201143000-Isimmons1-20250201115400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250201143000-Isimmons1-20250201115400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Isimmons1-20250201154300-Redrose64-20250201143000"></span>And once again you have miss read the 1976 report which said the driver was killed in 1970. It is totally irrelevant that he was my grandfather, first thing we do agree on. However, you can't include the 1976 accident if you don't include the 1970 accident as the were both almost exactly the same. I have written to the Railway Archive along with many other people and sites, all have taken time to reply to me accept for Railway Archives. I have no understanding of why they have not even taken the time to send me a polite reply but they have not. Maybe you could ask them for me ? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isimmons1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isimmons1 (page does not exist)">Isimmons1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isimmons1" title="User talk:Isimmons1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Isimmons1-20250201154300-Redrose64-20250201143000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 1 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Isimmons1-20250201154300-Redrose64-20250201143000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Isimmons1-20250201154300-Redrose64-20250201143000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WP:Indigenous_Peoples_of_North_America/Anishinaabe" data-mw-thread-id="h-WP:Indigenous_Peoples_of_North_America/Anishinaabe-20250202183200"><span id="WP:Indigenous_Peoples_of_North_America.2FAnishinaabe"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WP:Indigenous_Peoples_of_North_America/Anishinaabe-20250202183200"></span>WP:Indigenous Peoples of North America/Anishinaabe<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WP:Indigenous_Peoples_of_North_America/Anishinaabe-20250202183200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: WP:Indigenous Peoples of North America/Anishinaabe"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Significa_liberdade-20250202183200-WP:Indigenous_Peoples_of_North_America/Anishinaabe"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a>, and thank you for pinging me regarding {{WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America/Anishinaabe}}! I add WikiProjects using <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Rater" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Rater">Rater</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFCH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFCH">AFCH</a>, neither of which show edit previews. This appears to be an issue with AFCH acceptance, where I am seeing this project listed as a possibility. I'll bring up the concern there. </p><p>Thanks again for pinging me with this issue! I hadn't seen your previous edit. <a href="/wiki/User:Significa_liberdade" title="User:Significa liberdade">Significa liberdade <small>(she/her)</small></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Significa_liberdade" title="User talk:Significa liberdade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Significa_liberdade-20250202183200-WP:Indigenous_Peoples_of_North_America/Anishinaabe" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Significa_liberdade-20250202183200-WP:Indigenous_Peoples_of_North_America/Anishinaabe"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Significa_liberdade-20250202183200-WP:Indigenous_Peoples_of_North_America/Anishinaabe"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="closing_RfCs" data-mw-thread-id="h-closing_RfCs-20250203023100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-closing_RfCs-20250203023100"></span>closing RfCs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-closing_RfCs-20250203023100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: closing RfCs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zero0000-20250203023100-closing_RfCs"></span>Hi, Regarding <a href="/wiki/Talk:Alan_Turing" title="Talk:Alan Turing">Talk:Alan Turing</a>, what you did produced visible text <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Rfc" title="Template:Rfc">rfc</a>|bio|sci}}</code>. I've never seen anything like that on a closed RfC before (or maybe I didn't look carefully enough). Perhaps that should be removed altogether? <a href="/wiki/User:Zero0000" title="User:Zero0000">Zero</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zero0000" title="User talk:Zero0000">talk</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Zero0000-20250203023100-closing_RfCs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 3 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zero0000-20250203023100-closing_RfCs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zero0000-20250203023100-closing_RfCs"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250203190100-Zero0000-20250203023100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Zero0000" title="User:Zero0000">Zero0000</a>:</span> Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFCEND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFCEND">WP:RFCEND</a>, which states: <dl><dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704" /><q class="inline-quote-talk"><b>To end an RfC manually</b>, remove the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Rfc" title="Template:Rfc">rfc</a>}}</code> tag from the talk page. Legobot will remove the discussion from the central lists on its next run. ... If you are also closing the discussion, you should do this in the same edit. As an alternative to removing the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Rfc" title="Template:Rfc">rfc</a>}}</code> tag, you may use one of the template-linking templates such as <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Tlx" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Tlx">tlx</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to disable it, as in <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Tlx" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Tlx">tlx</a>|rfc|bio|rfcid=fedcba9}}</code>. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> <b>Do not</b> enclose the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Rfc" title="Template:Rfc">rfc</a>}}</code> tag in <code class="nowrap" style=""><nowiki>...</nowiki></code> or <code class="nowrap" style=""><syntaxhighlight>...</syntaxhighlight></code> tags, nor place it in HTML comment markers <code class="nowrap" style=""></code> since Legobot will ignore these and treat the RfC as if it is still open – and may also corrupt the RfC listing pages.</q></dd></dl></dd> <dd>This is exactly what happened <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Economy,_trade,_and_companies&diff=prev&oldid=1273431206">here</a></span> - although you didn't touch <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:What_Wikipedia_is_not#rfc_4A58B81" title="Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not">Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not</a>, its entry at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC/ECON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFC/ECON">WP:RFC/ECON</a> became corrupted. <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:What_Wikipedia_is_not&diff=prev&oldid=1273490542">My edit</a></span> caused it to be <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Economy,_trade,_and_companies&diff=prev&oldid=1273495665">restored</a></span>.</dd> <dd>But speaking personally - this is not in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFC">WP:RFC</a> - I would say that if the RfC is being suspended (or closed temporarily), use the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Tlx" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Tlx">tlx</a>}}</code> method; if it's being closed permanently, remove the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Rfc" title="Template:Rfc">rfc</a>}}</code> tag entirely. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250203190100-Zero0000-20250203023100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 3 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250203190100-Zero0000-20250203023100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250203190100-Zero0000-20250203023100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zero0000-20250203233100-Redrose64-20250203190100"></span>Thanks for the detailed reply and your help. Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:Zero0000" title="User:Zero0000">Zero</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zero0000" title="User talk:Zero0000">talk</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Zero0000-20250203233100-Redrose64-20250203190100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 3 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zero0000-20250203233100-Redrose64-20250203190100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zero0000-20250203233100-Redrose64-20250203190100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:One_Direction" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:One_Direction-20250209175100"><span id="Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices.2FPage.2FTalk:One_Direction"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:One_Direction-20250209175100"></span>Nomination for deletion of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:One_Direction&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:One Direction (page does not exist)">Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:One Direction</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:One_Direction-20250209175100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Nomination for deletion of Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:One Direction"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MadGuy7023-20250209175100-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:One_Direction"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ambox_warning_blue.svg/30px-Ambox_warning_blue.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ambox_warning_blue.svg/45px-Ambox_warning_blue.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ambox_warning_blue.svg/60px-Ambox_warning_blue.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326" /></span></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:One_Direction&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:One Direction (page does not exist)">Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:One Direction</a> has been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion">nominated for deletion</a>. You are invited to comment on the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_9#Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:One_Direction" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 February 9"><b>the entry on the Templates for discussion page</b></a>. <a href="/wiki/User:MadGuy7023" title="User:MadGuy7023">MadGuy7023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MadGuy7023" title="User talk:MadGuy7023">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-MadGuy7023-20250209175100-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:One_Direction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 9 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MadGuy7023-20250209175100-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:One_Direction"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MadGuy7023-20250209175100-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:One_Direction"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Oxford_Bus_Company" data-mw-thread-id="h-Oxford_Bus_Company-20250210213400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Oxford_Bus_Company-20250210213400"></span>Oxford Bus Company<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Oxford_Bus_Company-20250210213400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Oxford Bus Company"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Murgatroyd49-20250210213400-Oxford_Bus_Company"></span>If Thames Travel have been operating the service to Wallingford since last year there must be a record of the change that can be quoted. I did point out that Google Maps still thinks it is OBC. <a href="/wiki/User:Murgatroyd49" title="User:Murgatroyd49">Murgatroyd49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Murgatroyd49" title="User talk:Murgatroyd49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Murgatroyd49-20250210213400-Oxford_Bus_Company" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Murgatroyd49-20250210213400-Oxford_Bus_Company"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Murgatroyd49-20250210213400-Oxford_Bus_Company"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250210221800-Murgatroyd49-20250210213400"></span>I don't trust Google Maps. They're not a bus operator, so are under no obligation to ensure that bus information is up to date.</dd> <dd>Two or three times a year, when there are timetable changes on several routes all at once, Oxford and Thames Travel jointly produce a Service Changes web page; the most recent one mentioning the X40 route is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.oxfordbus.co.uk/service-changes-14th-april-2024">Service Changes from 14th April 2024</a>, but these pages don't always indicate a change of operator.</dd> <dd>Have a look at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.oxfordbus.co.uk/services/buses-in-and-around-oxford">Buses in and around Oxford</a> - the last line of each box shows the operator, and about three-fifths of the way down is the entry for <blockquote style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:2px;"><p><span style="background-color: #36AFE6; color:#FFFFFF; padding:3px;">River Rapids X40, River Rapids 40C, River Rapids NX40</span><br />Oxford City Centre to Central Reading<br />via Iffley Road, Berinsfield, Shillingford, Benson, Wallingford, Woodcote & Caversham<br />Thames Travel</p></blockquote> Note that it says "Thames Travel", not "Oxford Bus Company".</dd> <dd>On a more technical level, the current X40 timetable is at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://passenger-line-assets.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/oxfordbus/THTR/X40-timetable-20240414-44ad4fa7.pdf">https://passenger-line-assets.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/oxfordbus/THTR/X40-timetable-20240414-44ad4fa7.pdf</a> - in that URL, THTR denotes Thames Travel (Oxford would be OXBC as in <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://passenger-line-assets.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/oxfordbus/OXBC/X1-timetable-20240901-173a237c.pdf">https://passenger-line-assets.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/oxfordbus/OXBC/X1-timetable-20240901-173a237c.pdf</a>) and 20240414 is the effective date in CCYYMMDD format. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250210221800-Murgatroyd49-20250210213400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250210221800-Murgatroyd49-20250210213400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250210221800-Murgatroyd49-20250210213400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Murgatroyd49-20250211084700-Redrose64-20250210221800"></span>Any of those the original editor could have used as a reference, instead they just assumed everybody woud believe it because they said so. I may be wrong but I thought that was the antithesis of everything WP stood for. <a href="/wiki/User:Murgatroyd49" title="User:Murgatroyd49">Murgatroyd49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Murgatroyd49" title="User talk:Murgatroyd49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Murgatroyd49-20250211084700-Redrose64-20250210221800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:47, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Murgatroyd49-20250211084700-Redrose64-20250210221800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Murgatroyd49-20250211084700-Redrose64-20250210221800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250211085600-Murgatroyd49-20250211084700"></span>There is also <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.oxfordbus.co.uk/services/buses-in-and-around-wallingford">Buses in and around Wallingford</a> - all four entries show Thames Travel as the operator. From this we may conclude that Oxford don't serve Wallingford. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250211085600-Murgatroyd49-20250211084700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:56, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250211085600-Murgatroyd49-20250211084700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250211085600-Murgatroyd49-20250211084700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Murgatroyd49-20250211090000-Redrose64-20250211085600"></span>And your point is? <a href="/wiki/User:Murgatroyd49" title="User:Murgatroyd49">Murgatroyd49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Murgatroyd49" title="User talk:Murgatroyd49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Murgatroyd49-20250211090000-Redrose64-20250211085600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:00, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Murgatroyd49-20250211090000-Redrose64-20250211085600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Murgatroyd49-20250211090000-Redrose64-20250211085600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250211090400-Murgatroyd49-20250211090000"></span>That removing Wallingford from the list of places served by Oxford was a valid removal. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250211090400-Murgatroyd49-20250211090000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250211090400-Murgatroyd49-20250211090000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250211090400-Murgatroyd49-20250211090000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Murgatroyd49-20250211091800-Redrose64-20250211090400"></span>So we can change what we like without providing evidence, fine, glad we got that sorted. <a href="/wiki/User:Murgatroyd49" title="User:Murgatroyd49">Murgatroyd49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Murgatroyd49" title="User talk:Murgatroyd49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Murgatroyd49-20250211091800-Redrose64-20250211090400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:18, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Murgatroyd49-20250211091800-Redrose64-20250211090400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Murgatroyd49-20250211091800-Redrose64-20250211090400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250211093400-Murgatroyd49-20250211091800"></span>Might I remind you of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BURDEN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BURDEN">WP:BURDEN</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704" /><q class="inline-quote-talk">The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material</q>. So, by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oxford_Bus_Company&diff=prev&oldid=1275059225">restoring</a></span> the mention of Wallingford as a place served by Oxford BC, it's up to <i>you</i> to supply a source for that. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250211093400-Murgatroyd49-20250211091800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:34, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250211093400-Murgatroyd49-20250211091800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250211093400-Murgatroyd49-20250211091800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="My_problem_on_Dracula's_Guest" data-mw-thread-id="h-My_problem_on_Dracula's_Guest-20250211230000"><span id="My_problem_on_Dracula.27s_Guest"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-My_problem_on_Dracula's_Guest-20250211230000"></span>My problem on Dracula's Guest<span data-mw-comment-end="h-My_problem_on_Dracula's_Guest-20250211230000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: My problem on Dracula's Guest"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aemilius_Adolphin-20250211230000-My_problem_on_Dracula's_Guest"></span>Thank you for taking the time to explain what was happening to me on this article. It was driving me nuts and I thought I had accidently ruined the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Aemilius_Adolphin" title="User:Aemilius Adolphin">Aemilius Adolphin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aemilius_Adolphin" title="User talk:Aemilius Adolphin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Aemilius_Adolphin-20250211230000-My_problem_on_Dracula's_Guest" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aemilius_Adolphin-20250211230000-My_problem_on_Dracula's_Guest"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aemilius_Adolphin-20250211230000-My_problem_on_Dracula's_Guest"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thanks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thanks-20250215005900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thanks-20250215005900"></span>Thanks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thanks-20250215005900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Thanks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnadams11-20250215005900-Thanks"></span>Thanks for your repair my RfC. I was experimenting with syntax because the text of the RfC was not populating on the notice page -- it was just showing the title. Would be interested in learning what it was that I did wrong. Thx. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnadams11" title="User:Johnadams11">Johnadams11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnadams11" title="User talk:Johnadams11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Johnadams11-20250215005900-Thanks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnadams11-20250215005900-Thanks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnadams11-20250215005900-Thanks"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250215123900-Johnadams11-20250215005900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Johnadams11" title="User:Johnadams11">Johnadams11</a>:</span> It's simply that <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_Strip&diff=prev&oldid=1275705503">this edit</a></span> lacked a signature (which is optional) and a timestamp (which is mandatory, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFCST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFCST">WP:RFCST</a> item 6). My first edit, at 23:02 (UTC), added that missing timestamp (and also a copy of your usual signature), but since Legobot only runs once an hour, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC/HIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFC/HIST">WP:RFC/HIST</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC/POL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFC/POL">WP:RFC/POL</a> were not updated until 00:01 (UTC). --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250215123900-Johnadams11-20250215005900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:39, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250215123900-Johnadams11-20250215005900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250215123900-Johnadams11-20250215005900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnadams11-20250215143100-Redrose64-20250215123900"></span>Thank you. I has spent so much time properly formatting the RfC that I neglected the signature! Thanks again! <a href="/wiki/User:Johnadams11" title="User:Johnadams11">Johnadams11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnadams11" title="User talk:Johnadams11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Johnadams11-20250215143100-Redrose64-20250215123900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:31, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnadams11-20250215143100-Redrose64-20250215123900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnadams11-20250215143100-Redrose64-20250215123900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_16_§_Category:July_1852_in_the_United_Kingdom" data-mw-thread-id="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_16_§_Ca-20250216162200"><span id="CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion.2FLog.2F2025_February_16_.C2.A7_Category:July_1852_in_the_United_Kingdom"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_16_§_Ca-20250216162200"></span>CfD nomination at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_16#Category:July_1852_in_the_United_Kingdom" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 16">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 16 § Category:July 1852 in the United Kingdom</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_16_§_Ca-20250216162200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 16 § Category:July 1852 in the United Kingdom"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aidan721-20250216162200-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_16_§_Ca"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326" /></span></span></div><p>A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization" title="Wikipedia:Categorization">categorization</a> guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_16#Category:July_1852_in_the_United_Kingdom" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 16">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 16 § Category:July 1852 in the United Kingdom</a></b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">categories for discussion</a> page. Thank you. –<a href="/wiki/User:Aidan721" title="User:Aidan721">Aidan721</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aidan721" title="User talk:Aidan721">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Aidan721-20250216162200-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_16_§_Ca" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aidan721-20250216162200-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_16_§_Ca"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aidan721-20250216162200-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_16_§_Ca"></span> </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Foundation_Books" data-mw-thread-id="h-Foundation_Books-20250217072400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Foundation_Books-20250217072400"></span>Foundation Books<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Foundation_Books-20250217072400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Foundation Books"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geni-20250217072400-Foundation_Books"></span>Debate at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#We_want_to_buy_you_books" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request">Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#We_want_to_buy_you_books</a>.<a href="/wiki/User:Geni" title="User:Geni">©Geni</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geni" title="User talk:Geni">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Geni-20250217072400-Foundation_Books" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:24, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Geni-20250217072400-Foundation_Books"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Geni-20250217072400-Foundation_Books"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250217181700-Geni-20250217072400"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48" /></span></span> <b>Thank you</b></span> --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250217181700-Geni-20250217072400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250217181700-Geni-20250217072400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250217181700-Geni-20250217072400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Flying_Scotsman" data-mw-thread-id="h-Flying_Scotsman-20250218150600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Flying_Scotsman-20250218150600"></span>Flying Scotsman<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Flying_Scotsman-20250218150600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Flying Scotsman"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-66.206.125.114-20250218150600-Flying_Scotsman"></span>Hi, what would have to be done to get the <a href="/wiki/LNER_Class_A3_4472_Flying_Scotsman" title="LNER Class A3 4472 Flying Scotsman">Flying Scotsman</a> article to featured article status? I’m <a href="/wiki/User:ThatTrainGuy1945" title="User:ThatTrainGuy1945">ThatTrainGuy1945</a> (signed out right now) and I saw that you dabble in the British railway system. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/66.206.125.114" title="Special:Contributions/66.206.125.114">66.206.125.114</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:66.206.125.114" title="User talk:66.206.125.114">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-66.206.125.114-20250218150600-Flying_Scotsman" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-66.206.125.114-20250218150600-Flying_Scotsman"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-66.206.125.114-20250218150600-Flying_Scotsman"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250218182500-66.206.125.114-20250218150600"></span>Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates" title="Wikipedia:Featured article candidates">Wikipedia:Featured article candidates</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250218182500-66.206.125.114-20250218150600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250218182500-66.206.125.114-20250218150600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250218182500-66.206.125.114-20250218150600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Heritage_railway_stations_in_Bedfordshire_has_been_nominated_for_merging" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Heritage_railway_stations_in_Bedfordshire_has_been_nominated_for_mergin-20250223143200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Heritage_railway_stations_in_Bedfordshire_has_been_nominated_for_mergin-20250223143200"></span><a href="/wiki/Category:Heritage_railway_stations_in_Bedfordshire" title="Category:Heritage railway stations in Bedfordshire">Category:Heritage railway stations in Bedfordshire</a> has been nominated for merging<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Heritage_railway_stations_in_Bedfordshire_has_been_nominated_for_mergin-20250223143200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Category:Heritage railway stations in Bedfordshire has been nominated for merging"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RanDom_404-20250223143200-Category:Heritage_railway_stations_in_Bedfordshire_has_been_nominated_for_mergin"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326" /></span></span></div><p><a href="/wiki/Category:Heritage_railway_stations_in_Bedfordshire" title="Category:Heritage railway stations in Bedfordshire">Category:Heritage railway stations in Bedfordshire</a> has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization" title="Wikipedia:Categorization">categorization</a> guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_23#Category:Heritage_railway_stations_in_Bedfordshire" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 23">the category's entry</a></b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">categories for discussion</a> page. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:RanDom_404" title="User:RanDom 404">RanDom 404</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RanDom_404" title="User talk:RanDom 404">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-RanDom_404-20250223143200-Category:Heritage_railway_stations_in_Bedfordshire_has_been_nominated_for_mergin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RanDom_404-20250223143200-Category:Heritage_railway_stations_in_Bedfordshire_has_been_nominated_for_mergin"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RanDom_404-20250223143200-Category:Heritage_railway_stations_in_Bedfordshire_has_been_nominated_for_mergin"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="GWR_6800_Class_6880_Betton_Grange" data-mw-thread-id="h-GWR_6800_Class_6880_Betton_Grange-20250225090600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-GWR_6800_Class_6880_Betton_Grange-20250225090600"></span>GWR 6800 Class 6880 Betton Grange<span data-mw-comment-end="h-GWR_6800_Class_6880_Betton_Grange-20250225090600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: GWR 6800 Class 6880 Betton Grange"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lkingscott-20250225090600-GWR_6800_Class_6880_Betton_Grange"></span>I have reverted your reversion of my edit of this article. The first steam information I added to the timeline was coppied from further up the article, which also had a reference. I did not think it necessary to add the reference a second time but have now duplicated the reference in my reversion just to make it clear. Please be more careful withyour reversion of other people's edits. If you had taken time to inspect the article before your kneejerk removal of my edit, you would have seen the text further up the article and could have simply added the duplicate reference, if that was your only gripe with it. <a href="/wiki/User:Lkingscott" title="User:Lkingscott">Lkingscott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lkingscott" title="User talk:Lkingscott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Lkingscott-20250225090600-GWR_6800_Class_6880_Betton_Grange" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:06, 25 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lkingscott-20250225090600-GWR_6800_Class_6880_Betton_Grange"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lkingscott-20250225090600-GWR_6800_Class_6880_Betton_Grange"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250225093700-Lkingscott-20250225090600"></span>First, it was your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BURDEN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BURDEN">WP:BURDEN</a>, not mine. Second, the content that you added had all the appearance of <a href="/wiki/Blogging" class="mw-redirect" title="Blogging">blogging</a>; and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTBLOG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTBLOG">Wikipedia is not a blog</a>. Articles about preserved railway locomotives seem to attract blogging, possibly from one of the people working on the project, eager to publicise the next "milestone". --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250225093700-Lkingscott-20250225090600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37, 25 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250225093700-Lkingscott-20250225090600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250225093700-Lkingscott-20250225090600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Irish_music" data-mw-thread-id="h-Irish_music-20250225155700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Irish_music-20250225155700"></span>Irish music<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Irish_music-20250225155700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redrose64&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Irish music"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ridiculopathy-20250225155700-Irish_music"></span>hi Redrose64, I was the one who added those Category:1950s in Irish music]] etc. It's my first time attempting to make categories. I didn't know I'd done it wrong. How do I go about doing it correctly? There are already categories for the decades 1960s-2020s in Irish music so I don't get the problem. Why did you describe the ones I added 1870s-1950s as "pointless self-cat"s? <a href="/wiki/User:Ridiculopathy" title="User:Ridiculopathy">Ridiculopathy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ridiculopathy" title="User talk:Ridiculopathy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Ridiculopathy-20250225155700-Irish_music" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 25 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ridiculopathy-20250225155700-Irish_music"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ridiculopathy-20250225155700-Irish_music"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250225191100-Ridiculopathy-20250225155700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ridiculopathy" title="User:Ridiculopathy">Ridiculopathy</a>:</span> They were showing up in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Self-categorized_categories" title="Wikipedia:Database reports/Self-categorized categories">Wikipedia:Database reports/Self-categorized categories</a> (and will remain there until next Tuesday when the report next runs). To fix them, I looked at other similar categories - such as <a href="/wiki/Category:1970s_in_Irish_music" title="Category:1970s in Irish music">Category:1970s in Irish music</a> - and copied the code in there. Basically: we don't create category loops, and a self-categorized category is the smallest kind of loop. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250225191100-Ridiculopathy-20250225155700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 25 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250225191100-Ridiculopathy-20250225155700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250225191100-Ridiculopathy-20250225155700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ridiculopathy-20250225224700-Redrose64-20250225191100"></span>Hi Redrose64, thanks for the explanation. Oh so you fixed them rather than deleted them. Thanks. I had thought you had deleted them outright or something. I really do not understand how Categories work on here yet. I guess I'll go and educate myself. By the way, yesterday I made some Self-categorized categories for 'Category:1960s in Irish comedy' all the way up to 'Category:2020s in Irish comedy', so i guess these will show up in the next report. It was the only way I knew how to make a category red-link go blue. <a href="/wiki/User:Ridiculopathy" title="User:Ridiculopathy">Ridiculopathy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ridiculopathy" title="User talk:Ridiculopathy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Ridiculopathy-20250225224700-Redrose64-20250225191100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 25 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ridiculopathy-20250225224700-Redrose64-20250225191100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ridiculopathy-20250225224700-Redrose64-20250225191100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250225235600-Ridiculopathy-20250225224700"></span>They almost certainly will. All categories must be placed in one or more approriate parent categories, but a category cannot be its own parent, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PARENTCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PARENTCAT">WP:PARENTCAT</a>. Also, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Decade_in_nationality_comedy_category&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Decade in nationality comedy category (page does not exist)">Template:Decade in nationality comedy category</a> doesn't exist, so <code>{{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Decade_in_nationality_comedy_category&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Decade in nationality comedy category (page does not exist)">Decade in nationality comedy category</a>}}</code> displays a redlink instead of something meaningful. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Redrose64-20250225235600-Ridiculopathy-20250225224700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 25 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20250225235600-Ridiculopathy-20250225224700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20250225235600-Ridiculopathy-20250225224700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ridiculopathy-20250226020900-Redrose64-20250225235600"></span>Do you know how I go about creating the template <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Decade_in_nationality_comedy_category&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Decade in nationality comedy category (page does not exist)">Template:Decade in nationality comedy category</a>? One would assume if there's such a template for music it would be no problem to have one for comedy. Or do I have to float it by the community first. <a href="/wiki/User:Ridiculopathy" title="User:Ridiculopathy">Ridiculopathy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ridiculopathy" title="User talk:Ridiculopathy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64#c-Ridiculopathy-20250226020900-Redrose64-20250225235600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 26 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ridiculopathy-20250226020900-Redrose64-20250225235600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ridiculopathy-20250226020900-Redrose64-20250225235600"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Template:Decade_in_nationality_music_category" title="Template:Decade in nationality music category"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20250226181500-Ridiculopathy-20250226020900"></span>Template:Decade in nationality music category</a> looks rather complicated, I wouldn't want to replicate that for comedy. It was created by <a href="/wiki/User:BrownHairedGirl" title="User:BrownHairedGirl">BrownHairedGirl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrownHairedGirl" title="User talk:BrownHairedGirl">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl" title="Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl">contribs</a>), but they're serving an indefinite block so cannot be asked for advice.</dd> <dd>But a more fundamental question might be: why do you need categories for decades in Irish comedy? Do we have categories for decades in comedy that could do with splitting down by country? Or do we have categories for decades in Ireland that could do with splitting down by topic? Or even categories for Irish comedy that could usefully be split by decade? In short: can you justify a set of categories, each of which is a three-way intersection, in a manner that would survive a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CFD">WP:CFD</a> nomination? 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