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class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-New_page_patrol_May_2024_Backlog_drive" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#New_page_patrol_May_2024_Backlog_drive"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>New page patrol May 2024 Backlog drive</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-New_page_patrol_May_2024_Backlog_drive-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_4" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_4"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_4-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Happy_First_Edit_Day!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Happy_First_Edit_Day!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Happy First Edit Day!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Happy_First_Edit_Day!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Your_move_closure" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Your_move_closure"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Your move closure</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Your_move_closure-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Move_review_for_Edward_IV" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Move_review_for_Edward_IV"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Move review for Edward IV</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Move_review_for_Edward_IV-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Move_review_for_Edward_V" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Move_review_for_Edward_V"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Move review for Edward V</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Move_review_for_Edward_V-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Notification of administrators without tools</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_Signpost:_25_April_2024" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_Signpost:_25_April_2024"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span><i>The Signpost</i>: 25 April 2024</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-The_Signpost:_25_April_2024-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Closure_of_David_III_of_Tao_→_David_III" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Closure_of_David_III_of_Tao_→_David_III"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Closure of David III of Tao → David III</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Closure_of_David_III_of_Tao_→_David_III-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Feedback_requests_from_the_Feedback_Request_Service" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Feedback_requests_from_the_Feedback_Request_Service"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Feedback requests from the Feedback Request Service</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Feedback_requests_from_the_Feedback_Request_Service-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_5" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_5"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_5-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Belligerents_at_Battle_of_Kosovo_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Belligerents_at_Battle_of_Kosovo_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Belligerents at Battle of Kosovo article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Belligerents_at_Battle_of_Kosovo_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_4" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_4"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Notification of administrators without tools</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_4-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Move_review_for_David_III_of_Tao" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Move_review_for_David_III_of_Tao"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Move review for David III of Tao</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Move_review_for_David_III_of_Tao-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Non-admin_closures" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Non-admin_closures"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Non-admin closures</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Non-admin_closures-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Administrators'_newsletter_–_May_2024" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Administrators'_newsletter_–_May_2024"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Administrators' newsletter – May 2024</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Administrators'_newsletter_–_May_2024-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_5" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_5"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Notification of administrators without tools</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_5-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Arbitration_Committee_case_request" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Arbitration_Committee_case_request"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Arbitration Committee case request</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Arbitration_Committee_case_request-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-CT_alert" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#CT_alert"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>CT alert</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-CT_alert-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_6" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_6"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Notification of administrators without tools</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_6-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_Signpost:_16_May_2024" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_Signpost:_16_May_2024"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span><i>The Signpost</i>: 16 May 2024</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-The_Signpost:_16_May_2024-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Arbitration_case_request_declined" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Arbitration_case_request_declined"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>Arbitration case request declined</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Arbitration_case_request_declined-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_6" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_6"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_6-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_7" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_7"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_7-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Administrators'_newsletter_–_June_2024" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Administrators'_newsletter_–_June_2024"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Administrators' newsletter – June 2024</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Administrators'_newsletter_–_June_2024-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_8" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_8"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_8-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_Signpost:_8_June_2024" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_Signpost:_8_June_2024"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span><i>The Signpost</i>: 8 June 2024</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-The_Signpost:_8_June_2024-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_7" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_7"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Notification of administrators without tools</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_7-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-David_III" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#David_III"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>David III</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-David_III-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_Signpost:_4_July_2024" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_Signpost:_4_July_2024"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span><i>The Signpost</i>: 4 July 2024</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-The_Signpost:_4_July_2024-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Administrators'_newsletter_–_July_2024" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Administrators'_newsletter_–_July_2024"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>Administrators' newsletter – July 2024</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Administrators'_newsletter_–_July_2024-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_Signpost:_22_July_2024" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_Signpost:_22_July_2024"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span><i>The Signpost</i>: 22 July 2024</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-The_Signpost:_22_July_2024-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Administrators'_newsletter_–_August_2024" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Administrators'_newsletter_–_August_2024"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Administrators' newsletter – August 2024</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Administrators'_newsletter_–_August_2024-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Telegraph_RFC" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Telegraph_RFC"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>Telegraph RFC</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">81 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Telegraph_RFC-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Edit_within_an_archive" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Edit_within_an_archive"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>Edit within an archive</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Edit_within_an_archive-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Gratitude" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Gratitude"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Gratitude</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Gratitude-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_Signpost:_14_August_2024" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_Signpost:_14_August_2024"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span><i>The Signpost</i>: 14 August 2024</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-The_Signpost:_14_August_2024-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_barnstar_for_you!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>A barnstar for you!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-A_barnstar_for_you!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-AxSpA" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#AxSpA"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>AxSpA</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-AxSpA-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-New_pages_patrol_September_2024_Backlog_drive" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#New_pages_patrol_September_2024_Backlog_drive"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>New pages patrol September 2024 Backlog drive</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-New_pages_patrol_September_2024_Backlog_drive-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_9" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_9"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_9-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Administrators'_newsletter_–_September_2024" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Administrators'_newsletter_–_September_2024"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>Administrators' newsletter – September 2024</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Administrators'_newsletter_–_September_2024-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> 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On behalf of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Birthday_Committee" title="Wikipedia:Birthday Committee">Birthday Committee</a>, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Compassionate727&dir=prev&limit=1">your first edit</a> and became a Wikipedian! <a href="/wiki/User:The_Herald" class="mw-redirect" title="User:The Herald">The Herald (Benison)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Herald" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:The Herald">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-The_Herald-20240422023500-Happy_First_Edit_Day!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Herald-20240422023500-Happy_First_Edit_Day!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Herald-20240422023500-Happy_First_Edit_Day!"></span></td><td class="mbox-imageright"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Twemoji2_1f389.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Party popper emoji" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Twemoji2_1f389.svg/50px-Twemoji2_1f389.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Twemoji2_1f389.svg/75px-Twemoji2_1f389.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Twemoji2_1f389.svg/100px-Twemoji2_1f389.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></a></span></td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_move_closure" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_move_closure-20240423074200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_move_closure-20240423074200"></span>Your move closure<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_move_closure-20240423074200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Your move closure"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deb-20240423074200-Your_move_closure"></span>I see that you've closed the discussion on: </p> <dl><dd>Edward V of England → Edward V</dd> <dd>Edward IV of England → Edward IV</dd></dl> <p>even though consensus was clearly not in favour. Would you please consider reverting your close? It appears to me to have little reasoning or valuation of the arguments behind it. Non-admins are advised against closing discussions where the outcome is likely to be controversial - see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BADNAC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BADNAC">WP:BADNAC</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Deb" title="User:Deb">Deb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deb" title="User talk:Deb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Deb-20240423074200-Your_move_closure" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deb-20240423074200-Your_move_closure"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deb-20240423074200-Your_move_closure"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Huwmanbeing-20240423100500-Deb-20240423074200"></span>I just noticed this closure as well and was also surprised, since the discussion did not reach consensus. Like Deb, I would ask that you please consider reverting your non-admin closure. Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:Huwmanbeing" title="User:Huwmanbeing">╠╣uw</a> <span style="font-size:smaller">[<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Huwmanbeing" title="User talk:Huwmanbeing">talk</a>]</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Huwmanbeing-20240423100500-Deb-20240423074200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Huwmanbeing-20240423100500-Deb-20240423074200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Huwmanbeing-20240423100500-Deb-20240423074200"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240423123800-Huwmanbeing-20240423100500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Deb" title="User:Deb">Deb</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Huwmanbeing" title="User:Huwmanbeing">Huwmanbeing</a>:</span> The role of a closer is primarily to apply policies and guidelines and only secondarily to count votes. In this case, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOVEREIGN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOVEREIGN">the guideline</a>'s prescription is clear: Medieval European monarchs should only include a territorial designation when necessary for disambiguation, and disambiguation is not necessary in either of these cases (indeed, there is nothing else to disambiguate from). Those who dislike this prescription should be seeking a consensus to change the guideline (or downgrade its status), rather than attempting to block changes that conform with it on individual articles. I stand by my closure; you may challenge it at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MR">move review</a> if you wish. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240423123800-Huwmanbeing-20240423100500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240423123800-Huwmanbeing-20240423100500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240423123800-Huwmanbeing-20240423100500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Move_review_for_Edward_IV" data-mw-thread-id="h-Move_review_for_Edward_IV-20240423130400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Move_review_for_Edward_IV-20240423130400"></span>Move review for <a href="/wiki/Edward_IV" title="Edward IV">Edward IV</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Move_review_for_Edward_IV-20240423130400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Move review for Edward IV"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deb-20240423130400-Move_review_for_Edward_IV"></span>An editor has asked for a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Move_review#Edward_IV" title="Wikipedia:Move review">Move review</a> of <a href="/wiki/Edward_IV" title="Edward IV">Edward IV</a>. 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However, your closing decision here rests heavily on the following interpretation of the opposing argument: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1244412712">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{padding-left:1.6em}}</style></p><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>the somewhat related [opposition] argument that the proposed titles were less recognizable was valid and weighty under policy</p></blockquote><p>. This statement suggests you believe that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RECOGNIZABILITY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RECOGNIZABILITY">WP:RECOGNIZABILITY</a> is measured on some kind of continuum, where more recognizable is better than less recognizable, period. However, the RECOGNIZABILITY criteria is clearly specified as a <i>threshold</i> that must be met: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1244412712"></p><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize.</p></blockquote><p> That is, a title that "is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize" meets the RECOGNIZABILITY criteria just as well as a title that is more recognizable to the public in general. The proposed titles all meet this criteria, there is no dispute about that, so RECOGNIZABILITY does not favor opposition. </p><p>Your closure also dismisses the supporting argument citing NCROY, because you claim NCROY "does not actually apply to Georgian monarchs (being Asian)". Although NCROY seems to limit its scope to European monarches by stating it is "intended to apply to medieval and modern European rulers and nobility", it also says: "Elsewhere, territorial designations [like “of Tao”] are usually unnecessary in article titles". Georgia is "elsewhere": therefore, per NCROY, "territorial designations are usually unnecessary". Opposition did not show why these titles should be exceptions that necessitate territorial designations in their titles. </p><p>Please reconsider your decision accordingly. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Born2cycle" title="User:Born2cycle">В²C</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Born2cycle#top" title="User talk:Born2cycle">☎</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Born2cycle-20240426045700-Closure_of_David_III_of_Tao_→_David_III" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Born2cycle-20240426045700-Closure_of_David_III_of_Tao_→_David_III"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Born2cycle-20240426045700-Closure_of_David_III_of_Tao_→_David_III"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240428182900-Born2cycle-20240426045700"></span>I want to acknowledge that I've seen this and the comments on the talk page but have been too busy the past couple of days to devote to these questions the attention they deserve. 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As you may recall, the RfC concluded with the exclusion of Muzaka and Jonima from the article. However, their belligerents were also automatically included to the infobox when the leaders were first added. This practice has, of course, been applied consistently for all leaders and their respective belligerents in the infobox. If a leader is put into the infobox, so is their faction too. </p><p>While the focus of the RfC was primarily on the leaders themselves, it seems logical to extend the same rationale to their respective belligerents. Opening a new RfC specifically for the belligerents would be inefficient and time-consuming for everyone involved. Both the leaders and their belligerents were added simultaneously based on the same sources, and both instances conflict with MOS:INFOBOX. </p><p>Rather than initiating a separate RfC, I suggest it would be more efficient if you could share your opinion on the article's talkpage regarding belligerents (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Battle_of_Kosovo#Belligerents" title="Talk:Battle of Kosovo">Talk:Battle of Kosovo § Belligerents</a>). I'm asking you because you've already delved into the topic and gained some insights, and perhaps most importantly, you would serve as a third party. It appears that those who opposed the exclusion of the leaders are less cooperative when it comes to the removal of their belligerents, despite the fact that when they were added, they were added completely simultaneously.<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Kosovo&diff=prev&oldid=1031135993">1</a><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Kosovo&diff=prev&oldid=1160310002">2</a> </p><p>If you believe there are significant differences between the leaders and their belligerents that warrant another RfC, please inform me. I value your opinion regardless. Thank you.<a href="/wiki/User:AzorzaI" title="User:AzorzaI">--Azor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AzorzaI" title="User talk:AzorzaI">talk</a>). <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-AzorzaI-20240427150600-Belligerents_at_Battle_of_Kosovo_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AzorzaI-20240427150600-Belligerents_at_Battle_of_Kosovo_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AzorzaI-20240427150600-Belligerents_at_Battle_of_Kosovo_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AlexBachmann-20240428145500-AzorzaI-20240427150600"></span>This is unacceptable, Azorzal. You have been blocked from editing this specific article for 3 months. Now, you're contacting someone who gave a ruling on this specific instance to remove content that you clearly don't like. You had the possibility, until now, to disguise this feeling with arguments, but what you're doing on this article is an <b>anti-Albanian campaign</b>. Everything "Albanian" should be removed from the article, and I can provide diffs if you want it that way to substantiate my claims. Compassionate727, you should be reminded to look at the history of reverts on the article <a href="/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo" title="Battle of Kosovo">Battle of Kosovo</a> as well as on the talk page, it becomes clear for how long and specifically what content has been tried to be removed from certain people. <a href="/wiki/User:AlexBachmann" title="User:AlexBachmann">AlexBachmann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AlexBachmann" title="User talk:AlexBachmann">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-AlexBachmann-20240428145500-AzorzaI-20240427150600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AlexBachmann-20240428145500-AzorzaI-20240427150600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AlexBachmann-20240428145500-AzorzaI-20240427150600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AzorzaI-20240428185100-AlexBachmann-20240428145500"></span>Hi, <a href="/wiki/User:AlexBachmann" title="User:AlexBachmann">AlexBachmann</a>. If you believe removing the content is "anti-Albanian campaign", do you also believe the ones adding the content to have been running a "pro-Albanian campaign"? I am interested in the opinion of third parties to make sure that neutral editing is sustained on the <a href="/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo" title="Battle of Kosovo">Battle of Kosovo</a> article. One might expect that someone running a nationalistic campaign wouldn't seek the input of uninvolved editors through, for example, a RfC, right? You're among those supporting the content's inclusion in the article. Can I ask, have you ever initiated an RfC or any other action which might bring the attention of involved editors to the article's content? <a href="/wiki/User:AzorzaI" title="User:AzorzaI">--Azor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AzorzaI" title="User talk:AzorzaI">talk</a>). <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-AzorzaI-20240428185100-AlexBachmann-20240428145500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AzorzaI-20240428185100-AlexBachmann-20240428145500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AzorzaI-20240428185100-AlexBachmann-20240428145500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240430233900-AzorzaI-20240428185100"></span>I don't know what the entire context for this dispute is and I doubt I want to. I will say that I don't view the commanders and belligerents as necessarily analogous, due to there presumably being much fewer possible co-belligerents than sub-commanders that we could include in the infobox. Beyond that, I agree that a separate discussion would be necessary to reach a consensus on this matter. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240430233900-AzorzaI-20240428185100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240430233900-AzorzaI-20240428185100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240430233900-AzorzaI-20240428185100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AzorzaI-20240501080500-Compassionate727-20240430233900"></span>Thanks for your input! <a href="/wiki/User:AzorzaI" title="User:AzorzaI">--Azor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AzorzaI" title="User talk:AzorzaI">talk</a>). <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-AzorzaI-20240501080500-Compassionate727-20240430233900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:05, 1 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AzorzaI-20240501080500-Compassionate727-20240430233900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AzorzaI-20240501080500-Compassionate727-20240430233900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_4" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_4-20240430210000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_4-20240430210000"></span>Notification of administrators without tools<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_4-20240430210000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Notification of administrators without tools"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color:#fcffdd; width:100%; border:3px solid #fceb92; margin:1em auto 1em auto;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="vertical-align:middle; padding:1px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TolBot-20240430210000-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_4"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Paul1.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Paul1.svg/100px-Paul1.svg.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="98" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Paul1.svg/150px-Paul1.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Paul1.svg/200px-Paul1.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="480" data-file-height="472"/></a></span> </td> <td style="vertical-align:middle; padding:1px; text-align:center;"><b>Greetings, Compassionate727</b>. 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Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. <span style="font-family:Courier;"><b> // <a href="/wiki/User:TimothyBlue" title="User:TimothyBlue">Timothy</a> :: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TimothyBlue" title="User talk:TimothyBlue">talk</a> </b></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-TimothyBlue-20240501040700-Move_review_for_David_III_of_Tao" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:07, 1 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TimothyBlue-20240501040700-Move_review_for_David_III_of_Tao"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TimothyBlue-20240501040700-Move_review_for_David_III_of_Tao"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Non-admin_closures" data-mw-thread-id="h-Non-admin_closures-20240501055300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Non-admin_closures-20240501055300"></span>Non-admin closures<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Non-admin_closures-20240501055300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Non-admin closures"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TimothyBlue-20240501055300-Non-admin_closures"></span>After reviewing your NAC's at <a href="/wiki/Talk:David_III_of_Tao" title="Talk:David III of Tao">Talk:David III of Tao</a> and <a href="/wiki/Talk:Edward_IV" title="Talk:Edward IV">Talk:Edward IV</a>, I think you should read/review <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-admin_closure" title="Wikipedia:Non-admin closure">Wikipedia:Non-admin closure</a>. Specifically under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BADNAC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BADNAC">WP:BADNAC</a> it states, #2 "The outcome is a close call (especially where there are several valid outcomes) or likely to be controversial." These two discussion clearly meet this criteria. </p><p>Additionally I think your close at <a href="/wiki/Talk:David_III_of_Tao" title="Talk:David III of Tao">Talk:David III of Tao</a> is particularly problematic. Closing a discussion with one result, then returning days later and reopening the discussion only to change the result is inappropriate, regardless of whether one side of the discussion is continuing and ignoring the close. Not notifying the participants you reopened the discussion and changed the results is inappropriate. </p><p>When you close a discussion, it clearly states for the participants: </p><p><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</q> </p><p>The new comments from participants you responded to should have been placed in a new discussion section, or should have been discussed at move review. Participants cannot simply continue the discussion once it has been closed. </p><p>If you feel your original close was an error, you as closer could reopen the discussion and notify the participants of your decision to reopen the discussion and the reasons. Since reversing yourself on a close clearly shows the discussion meets <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BADNAC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BADNAC">WP:BADNAC</a> #2 ("where there are several valid outcomes", "likely to be controversial"), you should absolutely refrain from closing the discussion again or changing the result (other than reverting your original close actions). Any new close should give reasonable time for the participants to respond to your explanation for the reopen and I think the close should be made through <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Closure_requests" title="Wikipedia:Closure requests">Wikipedia:Closure requests</a> with a note that an admin should close. </p><p>Your closes may stand on review, but please refrain from future controversial NAC's. <span style="font-family:Courier;"><b> // <a href="/wiki/User:TimothyBlue" title="User:TimothyBlue">Timothy</a> :: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TimothyBlue" title="User talk:TimothyBlue">talk</a> </b></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-TimothyBlue-20240501055300-Non-admin_closures" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TimothyBlue-20240501055300-Non-admin_closures"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TimothyBlue-20240501055300-Non-admin_closures"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240501212600-TimothyBlue-20240501055300"></span>Replied over there. I will add here that I originally thought this would be an uncontroversial no consensus closure, and by the time I realized I was wrong, I felt the best course of action was to continue on the path I'd already charted. I don't enjoy this drama, and I don't intend to court any more of it. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240501212600-TimothyBlue-20240501055300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240501212600-TimothyBlue-20240501055300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1218467362#Handing_in_my_mop" title="Special:PermanentLink/1218467362">MelanieN</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1218761294#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conflict_of_interest_management_closed" title="Special:PermanentLink/1218761294">Nihonjoe</a></li></ul></div></dd></dl> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia_bureaucrat.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Wikipedia_bureaucrat.svg/20px-Wikipedia_bureaucrat.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Wikipedia_bureaucrat.svg/30px-Wikipedia_bureaucrat.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Wikipedia_bureaucrat.svg/40px-Wikipedia_bureaucrat.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a></span> <b>Bureaucrat changes</b> </p> <dl><dd><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Removed"><img alt="removed" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg/20px-Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg/30px-Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg/40px-Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1218761294#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conflict_of_interest_management_closed" title="Special:PermanentLink/1218761294">Nihonjoe</a></dd></dl> </div> <div style="flex: 1 0 20em"> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:ANEWSicon.png" class="mw-file-description"><img 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<dl><dd><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Readded"><img alt="readded" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg/20px-Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg/30px-Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg/40px-Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1219467786#Changes_to_the_functionaries_team,_April_2024" title="Special:PermanentLink/1219467786">Joe Roe</a></dd></dl> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Oversight_logo.png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Oversight_logo.png/20px-Oversight_logo.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Oversight_logo.png/30px-Oversight_logo.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Oversight_logo.png/40px-Oversight_logo.png 2x" data-file-width="1058" data-file-height="1058"/></a></span> <b>Oversight changes</b> </p> <dl><dd><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Removed"><img alt="removed" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg/20px-Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg/30px-Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg/40px-Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1219467786#Changes_to_the_functionaries_team,_April_2024" title="Special:PermanentLink/1219467786">GeneralNotability</a></dd></dl> </div> </div> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Green_check.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Green_check.svg/20px-Green_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Green_check.svg/30px-Green_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Green_check.svg/40px-Green_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> <b>Guideline and policy news</b> </p> <ul><li>Phase I of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review">2024 requests for adminship review</a> has concluded. Several proposals have passed outright and will proceed to implementation, including <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_3b:_Make_the_first_two_days_discussion-only_(trial)" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">creating a discussion-only period</a> (3b) and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_13:_Admin_elections" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">administrator elections</a> (13) on a trial basis. Other successful proposals, such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_2:_Add_a_reminder_of_civility_norms_at_RfA" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">creating a reminder of civility norms</a> (2), will undergo further refinement in Phase II. Proposals passed on a trial basis will be discussed in Phase II, after their trials conclude. Further details on specific proposals can be found in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">full report</a>.</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Octicons-tools.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Octicons-tools.svg/20px-Octicons-tools.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Octicons-tools.svg/30px-Octicons-tools.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Octicons-tools.svg/40px-Octicons-tools.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1024" data-file-height="1024"/></a></span> <b>Technical news</b> </p> <ul><li>Partial action blocks are now in effect on the English Wikipedia. This means that administrators have the ability to restrict users from certain actions, including uploading files, moving pages and files, creating new pages, and sending thanks. <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T280531" class="extiw" title="phab:T280531">T280531</a></li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/20px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/30px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208"/></a></span> <b>Arbitration</b> </p> <ul><li>The arbitration case <i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conflict_of_interest_management" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conflict of interest management">Conflict of interest management</a></i> has been closed.</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Info_Simple_bw.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Info_Simple_bw.svg/20px-Info_Simple_bw.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Info_Simple_bw.svg/30px-Info_Simple_bw.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Info_Simple_bw.svg/40px-Info_Simple_bw.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></a></span> <b>Miscellaneous</b> </p> <ul><li>This may be a good time to reach out to potential nominees to ask if they would consider an RfA.</li> <li>A <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Backlog_drives/May_2024" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/May 2024"><b>New Pages Patrol backlog drive</b></a> is happening in May 2024 to reduce the number of unreviewed articles in the <a href="/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed" title="Special:NewPagesFeed">new pages feed</a>. Currently, there is a backlog of over 15,000 articles awaiting review. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Backlog_drives/May_2024/Participants" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/May 2024/Participants"><b>Sign up here to participate!</b></a></li> <li>Voting for the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2024" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024">Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C)</a> election is open until 9 May 2024. 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Phase I of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review">Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review</a> has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus: </p> <ul><li><b>Proposals 2 and 9b</b> (<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Reminder_of_civility_norms_at_RfA" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Reminder of civility norms at RfA">phase II discussion</a></b>): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_2:_Add_a_reminder_of_civility_norms_at_RfA" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_9b:_Require_links_for_claims_of_specific_policy_violations" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Require links for claims of specific policy violations</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 3b</b> (in trial): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_3b:_Make_the_first_two_days_discussion-only_(trial)" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Make the first two days discussion-only</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 13</b> (in trial): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_13:_Admin_elections" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Admin elections</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 14</b> (implemented): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_14:_Suffrage_requirements" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Suffrage requirements</a></li> <li><b>Proposals 16 and 16c</b> (<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Administrator_recall" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Administrator recall">phase II discussion</a></b>): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_16:_Allow_the_community_to_initiate_recall_RfAs" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_16c:_Community_recall_process_based_on_dewiki" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Community recall process based on dewiki</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 17</b> (<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Designated_RfA_monitors" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Designated RfA monitors">phase II discussion</a></b>): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_17:_Have_named_Admins/crats_to_monitor_infractions" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 24</b> (<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Mentoring_process" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Mentoring process">phase II discussion</a></b>): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_24:_Provide_better_mentoring_for_becoming_an_admin_and_the_RfA_process" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 25</b> (implemented): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_25:_Require_nominees_to_be_extended_confirmed" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Require nominees to be extended confirmed</a></li></ul> <p>See the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review">project page</a> for a full list of proposals and their outcomes. 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Can you please move David III of Tao to <a href="/wiki/David_III" class="mw-redirect" title="David III">David III</a>? It was part of the group request move. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Emperor_of_Emperors" title="User:Emperor of Emperors">An emperor</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emperor_of_Emperors" title="User talk:Emperor of Emperors">✖</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Emperor_of_Emperors-20240621062800-David_III" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:28, 21 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emperor_of_Emperors-20240621062800-David_III"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emperor_of_Emperors-20240621062800-David_III"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240621201600-Emperor_of_Emperors-20240621062800"></span>I did not find a consensus that David III of Tao is the primary topic for David III. Another discussion needs to be held specifically on either making that move or turning <a href="/wiki/David_III" class="mw-redirect" title="David III">David III</a> into a DAB page for Tao and Ethiopia. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240621201600-Emperor_of_Emperors-20240621062800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240621201600-Emperor_of_Emperors-20240621062800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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Not only does this fly in the face of years of practice, it is contrary to the explicit definitions used on the page! "Generally reliable" is defined as having an active consensus that a source is reliable. The next level is defined as "No consensus, unclear, or additional considerations apply". I'm sorry not to be able to let this finally rest but when I see something this categorically wrong I have to speak up. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Thryduulf-20240807004400-Telegraph_RFC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-20240807004400-Telegraph_RFC"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-20240807004400-Telegraph_RFC"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-S_Marshall-20240807073500-Thryduulf-20240807004400"></span>Yup, that close completely misunderstands the way RSN works. The last paragraph is particularly egregious and I'm going to ask you to strike it. You impute thoughts and ideas into my head which aren't there. I have previously closed RSN threads that found the Daily Telegraph 100% reliable; see <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1194373709#The_Daily_Telegraph_(UK)" title="Special:PermanentLink/1194373709">here</a>.</li></ul> <dl><dd>You don't know what I think.—<a href="/wiki/User:S_Marshall" title="User:S Marshall"><b style="font-family: Verdana; color: Maroon;">S Marshall</b></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:S_Marshall" title="User talk:S Marshall">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/S_Marshall" title="Special:Contributions/S Marshall">C</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-S_Marshall-20240807073500-Thryduulf-20240807004400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:35, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-S_Marshall-20240807073500-Thryduulf-20240807004400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-S_Marshall-20240807073500-Thryduulf-20240807004400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240807131200-Thryduulf-20240807004400"></span>Sorry, Compassionate727, but I have to disagree with this close. Funnily enough, my objections to your close can be found in the arguments in that close review where people have !voted for Overturn: namely that this looks like a supervote: taking one camp's arguments at face value, while minimizing arguments made by other voters.</dd> <dd>A lot of people have also argued for the RFC to be reclosed, and not closed to a different outcome. Unsure where you addressed those arguments in your close. <span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:black"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span>→∞ (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">talk to me</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-0xDeadbeef-20240807131200-Thryduulf-20240807004400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240807131200-Thryduulf-20240807004400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240807131200-Thryduulf-20240807004400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-20240807133700-0xDeadbeef-20240807131200"></span>As one of the people who voted that the RFC should be reclosed by someone else (not overturned to a specific outcome), I would appreciate that being addressed in the closing statement. I'm obviously biased on the issue, but I thought "let someone else close it" was the consensus outcome, particularly in light of the "Part 1" sub-section that was specifically about this issue (where "5", let someone else reclose, seemed to have consensus). <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Levivich-20240807133700-0xDeadbeef-20240807131200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-20240807133700-0xDeadbeef-20240807131200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-20240807133700-0xDeadbeef-20240807131200"></span> <dl><dd><small><span style="display:inline-block;padding:0 1em;line-height:1.75em;border:1px solid #C2C2C2; font-family:sans-serif; border-radius:3px; background:#FFFFFF; text-align:center;" class="plusonetemplate"><span style="color:#D3452A;" class="plusonetemplate"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mach61-20240809160100-Levivich-20240807133700"></span>+<span style="font-weight:bold;">1</span></span></span></small> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mach61" title="User talk:Mach61">Mach61</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Mach61-20240809160100-Levivich-20240807133700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mach61-20240809160100-Levivich-20240807133700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mach61-20240809160100-Levivich-20240807133700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240807134000-Thryduulf-20240807004400"></span>I also object to this close. The first paragraph reads as an obvious <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SUPERVOTE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SUPERVOTE">WP:SUPERVOTE</a> to me. <a href="/wiki/User:LokiTheLiar" title="User:LokiTheLiar">Loki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LokiTheLiar" title="User talk:LokiTheLiar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-LokiTheLiar-20240807134000-Thryduulf-20240807004400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240807134000-Thryduulf-20240807004400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LokiTheLiar-20240807134000-Thryduulf-20240807004400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chess-20240807140900-Thryduulf-20240807004400"></span>This is why RSP sucks. It doesn't distinguish between an affirmative consensus that there shouldn't be a general consensus and no consensus on if there's a general consensus.</dd> <dd>In practice, "additional considerations apply" means the first, that we agree there shouldn't be a broad policy applying to the source and it must be argued about on every page.</dd> <dd>RSP needs something else. Right now, we have a no consensus nesting doll where we have to resolve what "no consensus" on the above means for the source. <span class="nowrap"><a href="/wiki/User:Chess" title="User:Chess">Chess</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chess" title="User talk:Chess">talk</a>) <small>(please <a href="/wiki/Help:Talk_pages#Notifications" title="Help:Talk pages">mention</a> me on reply)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Chess-20240807140900-Thryduulf-20240807004400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chess-20240807140900-Thryduulf-20240807004400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chess-20240807140900-Thryduulf-20240807004400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Liu-20240807141600-Chess-20240807140900"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>It doesn't distinguish between an affirmative consensus that there shouldn't be a general consensus and no consensus on if there's a general consensus.</p></blockquote>I don't see how that is a problem. <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu"><span style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Aaron_Liu-20240807141600-Chess-20240807140900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Liu-20240807141600-Chess-20240807140900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Liu-20240807141600-Chess-20240807140900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-20240807141900-Chess-20240807140900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Chess" title="User:Chess">Chess</a> what practical difference would making such a distinction mean in terms of applying the RSP guidance to source? There is no point making distinctions that are irrelevant to those evaluating the reliability of (potential) sources in articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Thryduulf-20240807141900-Chess-20240807140900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:19, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-20240807141900-Chess-20240807140900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-20240807141900-Chess-20240807140900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chess-20240807162900-Thryduulf-20240807141900"></span>Because many people wanted to impose additional considerations as a mechanism to prefer other sources when possible, which is what <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MREL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MREL">WP:MREL</a> means in practice. Immediately after the entry was added to RSP, editors began removing it from articles. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LGB_Alliance&diff=prev&oldid=1233432855">[1]</a></dd> <dd>If you think the close should have been "no consensus" and recorded at RSP, we should have a separate no consensus option at RSP to make it clear that one can't cite the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSP">WP:RSP</a> entry as global consensus of something. <span class="nowrap"><a href="/wiki/User:Chess" title="User:Chess">Chess</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chess" title="User talk:Chess">talk</a>) <small>(please <a href="/wiki/Help:Talk_pages#Notifications" title="Help:Talk pages">mention</a> me on reply)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Chess-20240807162900-Thryduulf-20240807141900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chess-20240807162900-Thryduulf-20240807141900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chess-20240807162900-Thryduulf-20240807141900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200-Telegraph_RFC"></span>While I agree with most of what you say in your close (thank goodness it seems you read a very different discussion than the one Thryduulf did) I absolutely have to protest that any remark acknowledging WP:RSP "practice" is out of place. Still, you deserve thanks and best wishes. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_Gulutzan" title="User:Peter Gulutzan">Peter Gulutzan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_Gulutzan" title="User talk:Peter Gulutzan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200-Telegraph_RFC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200-Telegraph_RFC"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200-Telegraph_RFC"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-20240807161900-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200"></span>After reading this discussion I have <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#No_consensus_versus_mixed_consensus" title="Wikipedia talk:Reliable sources/Perennial sources">posted on the RSP talk page</a> about whether "no consensus" needs some different labeling/nuance. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Barkeep49-20240807161900-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-20240807161900-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-20240807161900-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Berchanhimez-20240807162600-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200"></span>Is there a requirement that the person evaluating the consensus in a close review cannot be the one to re-close the discussion if there was consensus in the close review to overturn the closure? I cannot find anything that suggests that this user could not both close the close review <b>and</b> reclose the discussion. The fact they posted their "re-close" of the discussion as part of their close review should not change whether their re-close is valid or not. There was, as Compassionate727 states, <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">a consensus to overturn S Marshall's close</q>. They state in their close of the close review <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I think that if I needed to find a specific consensus on that question, the side arguing it should've probably had it</q>, referring to option 1. The entire first two paragraphs of the close review are summarizing both the consensus of the close review <i>and</i> the initial discussion. So absent a reason they are disqualified from closing the original discussion, I see no reason they should be prohibited from analyzing the consensus in the original discussion and thus making the decision to overturn <i>and</i> re-close the discussion to status quo.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>The bottom line is there was a consensus that there were significant issues with S Marshall's close, and merely disagreeing with the outcome does not change whether Compassionate727 was qualified to re-close the discussion in addition to evaluating consensus at the close review. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | <a href="/wiki/User:Berchanhimez" title="User:Berchanhimez">me</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Berchanhimez" title="User talk:Berchanhimez">talk to me!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Berchanhimez-20240807162600-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Berchanhimez-20240807162600-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Berchanhimez-20240807162600-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-20240807164200-Berchanhimez-20240807162600"></span>I'm not arguing Compasionate727 wasn't qualified to close the discussion. I'm arguing that they closed the discussion with a result that does not reflect the consensus found in the discussion and that was, at least in part, based on a fundamental misunderstanding of RSP. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Thryduulf-20240807164200-Berchanhimez-20240807162600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-20240807164200-Berchanhimez-20240807162600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-20240807164200-Berchanhimez-20240807162600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Berchanhimez-20240807164800-Thryduulf-20240807164200"></span>They stated they found a consensus in the RSN discussion (not the close review, the original discussion) that the source should still be considered generally reliable. They spent two paragraphs discussing why they came to this conclusion. <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">As a whole, the arguments of this side were compelling and unrefuted, and I'll note that even S Marshall himself essentially admitted that he primarily considered editors' opinions of The Telegraph's reliability (rather than specific evidence and arguments)</q>. You're free to disagree with that, but the AN discussion shows that there was a consensus for it to be re-closed - and that amounts to a reclosure of it. Many people opined at AN that the original close did not take that point into account - that the claims were "compelling and unrefuted" (in support of reliability) while the claims of unreliability were neither compelling nor unrefuted.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Compassionate727's views on RSP don't even come into play - because there was a consensus that the source should be deemed reliable still based on the "compelling and unrefuted" arguments in favor of no change to the consensus of it being reliable. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | <a href="/wiki/User:Berchanhimez" title="User:Berchanhimez">me</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Berchanhimez" title="User talk:Berchanhimez">talk to me!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Berchanhimez-20240807164800-Thryduulf-20240807164200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Berchanhimez-20240807164800-Thryduulf-20240807164200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Berchanhimez-20240807164800-Thryduulf-20240807164200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-20240807170700-Berchanhimez-20240807164800"></span>Many people did argue that, but many people also argued the contrary (that such arguments <i>were</i> refuted) and this is completely ignored. You have made it abundantly clear that <i>you</i> regard the arguments as refuted, but one person repeating this time and again does not necessarily make it true. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Thryduulf-20240807170700-Berchanhimez-20240807164800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-20240807170700-Berchanhimez-20240807164800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-20240807170700-Berchanhimez-20240807164800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Berchanhimez-20240807181300-Thryduulf-20240807170700"></span>The people arguing that they were refuted were doing so based on a !vote count. Compassionate727 evaluated the arguments, and there were no (or very few) people who actually refuted based on something other than their own opinion. And Compassionate727 correctly downweighted those people claiming that the original refutation of the initial claims was invalid just because they disagreed with it.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>You are continuing to argue that it should be closed differently just because one side was louder. That is simply not how things on Wikipedia work, as you yourself should know. The point stands that the majority of non option 1 (or 1/2) !voters voted based on reasons that do not conform with policy, and/or reasons that were based on a misunderstanding of what the sources said. !votes like that which are not based on fact are not to be given equal weighting as those based in fact, regardless of how many of them there are. I have yet to see you express any <b>concrete reasoning</b> that Compassionate727’s closure (both of the AN close review and their accompanying re-analysis and re-close of the original discussion) are invalid that aren’t based in “enough people screamed loudly”. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | <a href="/wiki/User:Berchanhimez" title="User:Berchanhimez">me</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Berchanhimez" title="User talk:Berchanhimez">talk to me!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Berchanhimez-20240807181300-Thryduulf-20240807170700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Berchanhimez-20240807181300-Thryduulf-20240807170700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Berchanhimez-20240807181300-Thryduulf-20240807170700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samuelshraga-20240807181400-Thryduulf-20240807170700"></span>Your reply could have been used verbatim in the previous discussions, seemingly by both sides although I would have written it in response to Loki's denial that almost his entire opening statement at the RfC was refuted. Perhaps we should just have a link to it that editors can use to save time in this escalating series of recursive reviews.</dd> <dd>I think we've reached the point where some editors of GREL stripes simply consider the GUNREL arguments refuted, and some editors of GUNREL side simply consider the GREL arguments refuted, to the point that the world views are simply incommensurable. I hope that this gulf could be bridged - for some editors at least - if we returned to RS/N and considered the arguments on their merits, but perhaps this is naive. I certainly don't think it will happen here. <a href="/wiki/User:Samuelshraga" title="User:Samuelshraga">Samuelshraga</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samuelshraga" title="User talk:Samuelshraga">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Samuelshraga-20240807181400-Thryduulf-20240807170700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samuelshraga-20240807181400-Thryduulf-20240807170700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samuelshraga-20240807181400-Thryduulf-20240807170700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samuelshraga-20240807181600-Samuelshraga-20240807181400"></span>In any case, characterising it as "one person repeating this time and again" is uncharitable and untrue. Even though I would post most of your reply to GUNREL/Endorse supporters, I recognise that there are a non-trivial number of them. <a href="/wiki/User:Samuelshraga" title="User:Samuelshraga">Samuelshraga</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samuelshraga" title="User talk:Samuelshraga">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Samuelshraga-20240807181600-Samuelshraga-20240807181400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samuelshraga-20240807181600-Samuelshraga-20240807181400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samuelshraga-20240807181600-Samuelshraga-20240807181400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240807184400-Samuelshraga-20240807181400"></span>While I basically agree with your evaluation of what's going on here, I also think that that evaluation screams "no consensus".</dd> <dd>Also, while it's certainly true that there were a number of GREL supporters, I do think that Berchanhimez in particular has been much more insistent than others that there was <i>no</i> reason whatsoever that someone could think the Telegraph was GUNREL. The plurality of Option 1 supporters acknowledged that the Telegraph was biased, and most of them acknowledged the Telegraph had indeed made some mistakes of fact. But Berchanhimez keeps on repeating in a needlessly inflammatory way that all the claims of GUNREL supporters have been entirely refuted, when some of the key claims of GUNREL supporters have been acknowledged to be true by even the majority of GREL supporters. <a href="/wiki/User:LokiTheLiar" title="User:LokiTheLiar">Loki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LokiTheLiar" title="User talk:LokiTheLiar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-LokiTheLiar-20240807184400-Samuelshraga-20240807181400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240807184400-Samuelshraga-20240807181400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LokiTheLiar-20240807184400-Samuelshraga-20240807181400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Berchanhimez-20240807184700-LokiTheLiar-20240807184400"></span>After removing the refuted claims of actual misinformation/incorrect information, the only things left are two arguments - either that it is biased and thus unreliable (not in compliance with policy/guidelines on bias not equalling unreliability), or the second argument of “well that’s not how I read the source”. The second argument is based on reading something into a source that is not there - either by ignoring the attribution of opinions to specific individuals (which is not misinformation) and treating those as “facts” reported by the source, or based on reading things that the source didn’t actually say (ex: the litter box things) into the source. Those arguments are equally irrelevant. Consensus is based on strength of argument - and when removing the refuted arguments the arguments left are at best extremely weak - this doesn’t change just because enough people screamed that they wanted it to be declared unreliable. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | <a href="/wiki/User:Berchanhimez" title="User:Berchanhimez">me</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Berchanhimez" title="User talk:Berchanhimez">talk to me!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Berchanhimez-20240807184700-LokiTheLiar-20240807184400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Berchanhimez-20240807184700-LokiTheLiar-20240807184400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Berchanhimez-20240807184700-LokiTheLiar-20240807184400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-20240807184900-Berchanhimez-20240807184700"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">After removing the refuted claims of actual misinformation/incorrect information</q> the point is that there is not a consensus that these <i>were</i> refuted. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Thryduulf-20240807184900-Berchanhimez-20240807184700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-20240807184900-Berchanhimez-20240807184700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-20240807184900-Berchanhimez-20240807184700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Berchanhimez-20240807185500-Thryduulf-20240807184900"></span>In your reading. But you have not provided any evidence for why Compassionate727 finding such a consensus is wrong other than “I don’t like it”. Whenever possible, a consensus should be sought out rather than just declaring there is no consensus.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Please point out anywhere in the discussion anyone “refuting the refutations” did so with actual factual evidence rather than an argument based on “I read it differently (because I ignore the words present in the source)”. There isn’t any. Again, when evaluating the consensus or lack thereof, the arguments must be weighted. Those arguing the refutations were invalid because the source “clearly said X” when the source did not say X at all should be given virtually no weight whatsoever.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>When weighting the “anti-refutation” arguments properly, there is a clear consensus that the initial claims were refuted successfully. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | <a href="/wiki/User:Berchanhimez" title="User:Berchanhimez">me</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Berchanhimez" title="User talk:Berchanhimez">talk to me!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Berchanhimez-20240807185500-Thryduulf-20240807184900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Berchanhimez-20240807185500-Thryduulf-20240807184900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Berchanhimez-20240807185500-Thryduulf-20240807184900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240807185000-Berchanhimez-20240807184700"></span>See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. You say "the refuted claims of actual misinformation" but the idea that they were refuted is an opinion not shared with over half of participants, including many Option 1 voters. <a href="/wiki/User:LokiTheLiar" title="User:LokiTheLiar">Loki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LokiTheLiar" title="User talk:LokiTheLiar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-LokiTheLiar-20240807185000-Berchanhimez-20240807184700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240807185000-Berchanhimez-20240807184700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LokiTheLiar-20240807185000-Berchanhimez-20240807184700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Berchanhimez-20240807185600-LokiTheLiar-20240807185000"></span>You don’t get to just vote count to support your claim that they weren’t refuted. When weighing the arguments that were based on a complete misrepresentation (or incomplete representation) of what the Telegraph actually wrote, the consensus is clear. You and others are attempting to engage in vote counting to say “well, the arguments on one side were clearly stronger, but because more people screamed on the other side the first side can’t have a consensus and there must be no consensus”. And that’s not how WP works. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | <a href="/wiki/User:Berchanhimez" title="User:Berchanhimez">me</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Berchanhimez" title="User talk:Berchanhimez">talk to me!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Berchanhimez-20240807185600-LokiTheLiar-20240807185000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Berchanhimez-20240807185600-LokiTheLiar-20240807185000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Berchanhimez-20240807185600-LokiTheLiar-20240807185000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Liu-20240807224600-LokiTheLiar-20240807185000"></span>Not to mention that "over half" is quite shaky, as has been somehow extensively brought up and debated during the CRV. <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu"><span style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Aaron_Liu-20240807224600-LokiTheLiar-20240807185000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Liu-20240807224600-LokiTheLiar-20240807185000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Liu-20240807224600-LokiTheLiar-20240807185000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samuelshraga-20240807185300-LokiTheLiar-20240807184400"></span>I've seen at least 2 previous GREL supporters accused of bludgeoning in the prior discussions. I don't give these accusations much credence - they seemed to be playing the man and not the ball quite frankly. And if I were you Loki, I wouldn't want to start a discussion about who has been needlessly repetitive.</dd> <dd>I don't think my evaluation screams "no consensus". I've made my arguments about argument-weighing over vote-counting before. <a href="/wiki/User:Samuelshraga" title="User:Samuelshraga">Samuelshraga</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samuelshraga" title="User talk:Samuelshraga">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Samuelshraga-20240807185300-LokiTheLiar-20240807184400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samuelshraga-20240807185300-LokiTheLiar-20240807184400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samuelshraga-20240807185300-LokiTheLiar-20240807184400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-20240807185100-Berchanhimez-20240807162600"></span>I agree that closing the close review as "overturn and let someone else close it," and then also closing the underlying RFC, is an available option. If that's what C727 did, they should update the close review closing statement, and the RFC closing statement, to reflect that. Then editors will know whether they're challenging the close review close, or the RFC re-close. <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Levivich-20240807185100-Berchanhimez-20240807162600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:51, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-20240807185100-Berchanhimez-20240807162600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-20240807185100-Berchanhimez-20240807162600"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-20240807223700-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200"></span>As someone who thought briefly about closing this a couple of times and then decided I didn't have the fortitude to read everything the two or three times necessary to close it correctly, I'm appreciative of C727's willingness to do the work. I think the concluding paragraph is well written and many would do well to think on it. I am surprised a day later that we haven't heard from C727 at all in answer to these comments. Dealing thoughtfully with concerns is, for me, part of what someone is volunteering for when they close something like this. I hope we hear from C727 soon. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Barkeep49-20240807223700-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-20240807223700-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-20240807223700-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240807225700-Barkeep49-20240807223700"></span>Well, I went to bed a couple hours after posting that and have been at work all day. I'll try to respond to everything here shortly, but wow, there's a lot of comments here. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240807225700-Barkeep49-20240807223700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240807225700-Barkeep49-20240807223700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240807225700-Barkeep49-20240807223700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Liu-20240807230100-Compassionate727-20240807225700"></span>Try your best! Expect that for controversial RfCs, especially ones with over 50 participants. <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu"><span style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Aaron_Liu-20240807230100-Compassionate727-20240807225700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 7 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Liu-20240807230100-Compassionate727-20240807225700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Liu-20240807230100-Compassionate727-20240807225700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240808002300-Compassionate727-20240807225700"></span>Here's a quick stab at it:</dd> <dd>1) Regarding practice at RSP: I am aware of what "no consensus" normally means at RSP. I also saw a lot of participants in this close review take exception to that standard being applied here, for essentially the reason <a href="/wiki/User:Chess" title="User:Chess">Chess</a> explained further up this section: in effect, MREL at RSP means the source can't be relied on for anything controversial, and many people (about as many people as explicitly okayed it) objected to a lack of consensus at an RSN discussion being a sort of backdoor to automatically downgrade an otherwise reputable newspaper of record in one specific topic area. It's not my intention to overthrow the whole standard practice of RSP, but I did see a degree of opposition to it in this specific case that I believed couldn't be ignored. What, if any, other ramifications there ought to be from that are not clear to me; like I said in my close, a discussion of that issue specifically may be prudent.</dd> <dd>2) At any rate, the consensus to overturn hinged relatively little on any questions about how RSP works; in my mind (and I tried to communicate this with the first sentence of the third paragraph), the consensus to overturn came mainly from arguments in the close review that arguments in the underlying discussion weren't properly weighed. I was attempting to make my finding more robust by incorporating those who complained about downgrading on lack of consensus into a kind of coalition of people who think the discussion shouldn't have resulted in a note at RSP, but I see that I fostered confusion by doing so and perhaps should've just stuck to "there was a consensus the arguments weren't weighed correctly."</dd> <dd>3) In my head, I was not closing both the close review and the underlying discussion, just the close review. Of course, I recognize that the way I closed it effectively did both, as is normal for any kind of close review (the vast majority of which determine a specific outcome for the underlying discussion, rather than merely vacating the close). I'm surprised to find people discussing whether a closer has the ability to do that.</dd> <dd>4) As for <i>why</i> I didn't merely vacate, I didn't think that would be helpful here. We'd have to wait (potentially a while) for someone else to close it, and I'm guessing they'd also have gotten complaints no matter what they did; it didn't seem right (or helpful) to just kick that off onto someone else. I would have bowed to a strong preference from participants for merely vacating, but the dedicated section only indicated a slight preference, and participants who thought the discussion should have originally been closed in favor of option 1 (instead of without consensus) were underrepresented there, so I don't think that apparent slight preference was actually a consensus.</dd> <dd>That was my attempt to quickly (although it didn't end up proving very quick) respond to a bunch of different things and probably doesn't make for a coherent argument. Feel free to ask further questions. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240808002300-Compassionate727-20240807225700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240808002300-Compassionate727-20240807225700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240808002300-Compassionate727-20240807225700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240808022100-Compassionate727-20240808002300"></span>I have a lot of issues with this response, but here are my chief ones:</dd> <dd>1) Yes, some people in the original discussion objected to the way RSP works. But it wasn't even a consensus, it was just some people. Also even if it had been a consensus, an RFC about a single source cannot change policy, including the way RFC works. This IMO was clearly decided incorrectly.</dd> <dd>2) Most close reviews also "close" the underlying discussion <i>because most close reviews affirm the original close</i>. Of close reviews that overturn a close, the large majority just vacate the close. And there again wasn't a consensus to do this even by your own admission. So this IMO was also clearly decided incorrectly.</dd> <dd>3) This doesn't really address many of the biggest issues with the close, like the weird snipe against S Marshall, or the fact that your whole first paragraph reads as a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SUPERVOTE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SUPERVOTE">WP:SUPERVOTE</a> for Option 1. <a href="/wiki/User:LokiTheLiar" title="User:LokiTheLiar">Loki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LokiTheLiar" title="User talk:LokiTheLiar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-LokiTheLiar-20240808022100-Compassionate727-20240808002300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240808022100-Compassionate727-20240808002300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LokiTheLiar-20240808022100-Compassionate727-20240808002300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Berchanhimez-20240808025100-LokiTheLiar-20240808022100"></span>1. A discussion about one topic certainly can <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">be opposite of prior consensus/practice</a> if it is merited.</dd> <dd>2. As others have opined here, it is clearly not against any rules for the closer of a close review to also re-close the discussion.</dd> <dd>3. It's not a supervote, it is a re-analysis of the consensus that was present in the original discussion. You disagreeing with the consensus does not make it a supervote. There was no snipe against S Marshall - just a reminder that perhaps it is not best to close discussions when you have a pre-existing opinion on the discussion, because it can result in a mis-evaluation of consensus (as happened here). There was no attempt by C727 to say that S Marshall messed up <i>because</i> of their opinions, but there was certainly that possibility. Making a general remark is not a "snipe" even if it does not apply to the discussion in question. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | <a href="/wiki/User:Berchanhimez" title="User:Berchanhimez">me</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Berchanhimez" title="User talk:Berchanhimez">talk to me!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Berchanhimez-20240808025100-LokiTheLiar-20240808022100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:51, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Berchanhimez-20240808025100-LokiTheLiar-20240808022100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Berchanhimez-20240808025100-LokiTheLiar-20240808022100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mach61-20240808140600-Berchanhimez-20240808025100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Berchanhimez" title="User:Berchanhimez">Berchanhimez</a> Generally, there needs to be a <i>very</i> strong sentiment in favor of invoking <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">WP:IAR</a> when it comes to large discussions like this. That sentiment did not exist in this case. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mach61" title="User talk:Mach61">Mach61</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Mach61-20240808140600-Berchanhimez-20240808025100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mach61-20240808140600-Berchanhimez-20240808025100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mach61-20240808140600-Berchanhimez-20240808025100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Red-tailed_hawk-20240808024500-Compassionate727-20240808002300"></span>Thank you for your clarification here. I think that your close was well written, and ultimately followed the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DETCON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DETCON">strength of the arguments in light of the relevant policy</a>. Thank you for taking the time to close the behemoth of the discussion. — <a href="/wiki/User:Red-tailed_hawk" title="User:Red-tailed hawk"><span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed hawk</span></a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Red-tailed_hawk" title="User talk:Red-tailed hawk"><span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Red-tailed_hawk-20240808024500-Compassionate727-20240808002300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Red-tailed_hawk-20240808024500-Compassionate727-20240808002300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Red-tailed_hawk-20240808024500-Compassionate727-20240808002300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-S_Marshall-20240808071600-Red-tailed_hawk-20240808024500"></span>Compassionate727, I hope that's not your entire response. I ask again if you'll strike the final paragraph or, preferably, self-revert.</dd> <dd>Berchanhimez, there may be people on Mars who've read your opinion about this less than seventeen times. I do so look forward to reading it all again every third or fourth post about this. —<a href="/wiki/User:S_Marshall" title="User:S Marshall"><b style="font-family: Verdana; color: Maroon;">S Marshall</b></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:S_Marshall" title="User talk:S Marshall">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/S_Marshall" title="Special:Contributions/S Marshall">C</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-S_Marshall-20240808071600-Red-tailed_hawk-20240808024500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-S_Marshall-20240808071600-Red-tailed_hawk-20240808024500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-S_Marshall-20240808071600-Red-tailed_hawk-20240808024500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samuelshraga-20240808072700-S_Marshall-20240808071600"></span>I'm sorry the badgering of Berchanhimez over repetition, just as when it has been done to Chess and to BilledMammal before, is out of order. It reads like having a lot more to do with disliking the points being raised than any substantive concern. If you have an issue with how Berchanhimez conducts themself, why wouldn't you take it to their user page in the first instance? It's just unpleasant. <a href="/wiki/User:Samuelshraga" title="User:Samuelshraga">Samuelshraga</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samuelshraga" title="User talk:Samuelshraga">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Samuelshraga-20240808072700-S_Marshall-20240808071600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samuelshraga-20240808072700-S_Marshall-20240808071600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samuelshraga-20240808072700-S_Marshall-20240808071600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-S_Marshall-20240808084000-Samuelshraga-20240808072700"></span>...right. Because it's everyone else badgering Berchanhimez that's the problem here. Got it.—<a href="/wiki/User:S_Marshall" title="User:S Marshall"><b style="font-family: Verdana; color: Maroon;">S Marshall</b></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:S_Marshall" title="User talk:S Marshall">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/S_Marshall" title="Special:Contributions/S Marshall">C</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-S_Marshall-20240808084000-Samuelshraga-20240808072700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:40, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-S_Marshall-20240808084000-Samuelshraga-20240808072700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-S_Marshall-20240808084000-Samuelshraga-20240808072700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Berchanhimez-20240808085000-S_Marshall-20240808084000"></span>You’ve been getting more and more irritated ever since the close review was opened and many people began expressing their distaste with your close. You got it wrong (and there was consensus for that regardless of this specific close), and you have the opportunity to drop the stick and move on with dignity. I recommend you do that. Other people will “continue the fight” if C727’s close was improper. There is nothing you stand to gain by continuing to blame/malign others (including myself) or continuing to act like you got it right. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | <a href="/wiki/User:Berchanhimez" title="User:Berchanhimez">me</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Berchanhimez" title="User talk:Berchanhimez">talk to me!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Berchanhimez-20240808085000-S_Marshall-20240808084000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Berchanhimez-20240808085000-S_Marshall-20240808084000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Berchanhimez-20240808085000-S_Marshall-20240808084000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240808090500-Berchanhimez-20240808085000"></span>I wonder when we'd stop making comments about contributors rather than the things they say or things they do. The original slight snark (<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Mars</q> etc.) was unnecessary, but the escalation to <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">You’ve been getting more and more irritated ever since the close review [..]</q> is really bad. Reading it even though I'm not S Marshall makes me feel things. It really felt like "u mad bro?" said in a more formal way.</dd> <dd>I'm sad or angry or whatever that the close happened this way, but I hope I can choose not to let that affect me when I argue for what I think is right. <span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:black"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span>→∞ (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">talk to me</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-0xDeadbeef-20240808090500-Berchanhimez-20240808085000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:05, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240808090500-Berchanhimez-20240808085000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240808090500-Berchanhimez-20240808085000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240808225400-S_Marshall-20240808071600"></span>I deliberately didn't respond to this request last night because I was not sure how to do so without likely inflaming things and I was hoping you would calm down on your own, but I guess I need to say something.</dd> <dd>You are correct that I do not know your thoughts. I did not claim to know them. I gave my personal opinion (and clearly identified it as personal opinion) that your opinions, whatever they are, seem to me to have affected your closure, and jumping from there gave the entire community some advice about closing discussions about things one has opinions on. I know I'm not the first person to end a closing statement for a messy discussion like this with an opinion and some advice, and my opinion strikes me as moderate compared to some of the opinions expressed in the discussion. I regret that it has caused you offense, but honestly don't understand why it has.</dd> <dd>I'm not particularly attached to that paragraph; I'll change it if enough people say I should. But a lot of people have come here to express an opinion on this closure, and only you and Loki have expressed any objection to that paragraph, which I think makes it the least controversial component of the whole thing. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240808225400-S_Marshall-20240808071600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240808225400-S_Marshall-20240808071600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240808225400-S_Marshall-20240808071600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240809041900-Compassionate727-20240808225400"></span>If anything, I also do object to that paragraph (as I felt that was like a personal jab). I just thought it was obvious to me so I didn't weigh in. <span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--color-emphasized,#000)"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span>→∞ (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">talk to me</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-0xDeadbeef-20240809041900-Compassionate727-20240808225400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:19, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240809041900-Compassionate727-20240808225400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240809041900-Compassionate727-20240808225400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240808093000-Compassionate727-20240808002300"></span>Your point 4) really reads like a supervote to me. It sounded like <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237805129"><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>[because I felt] it didn't seem right (or helpful) to just kick that off onto someone else, I don't think that apparent slight preference was actually a consensus.</p></blockquote></dd> <dd>I find it weird that you suggested that people specifically called for an overturn finding <i>consensus</i> for option 1, were not <i>represented</i> in the section about <i>what to overturn to</i>. That just immediately sounds contradictory to me. If someone articulates that they want to overturn to option 1, then they must have clearly articulated what to overturn to. The question was more so for people who didn't disagree with the <i>no consensus</i> result but had still argued that the status quo be kept.</dd> <dd>And I really need an answer from you about what the original RFC should be overturned to as. Should it be that there is no consensus on whether The Telegraph is generally reliable for the specific topic, or that there actually is consensus that it is generally reliable (therefore consensus for option 1)? If it is the former, then from my reading the people who primarily argued for that also argued for the original close of the RFC to be reverted. Where are your findings on the level of consensus of the "Part 1" subsection? Isn't the close technically a supervote for Option 2 under that? <span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:black"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span>→∞ (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">talk to me</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-0xDeadbeef-20240808093000-Compassionate727-20240808002300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:30, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240808093000-Compassionate727-20240808002300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240808093000-Compassionate727-20240808002300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samuelshraga-20240808110300-0xDeadbeef-20240808093000"></span>The question <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Part_1" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">here</a> was not for people who agreed with the no consensus result - it was for everyone who supported overturn, regardless of how wide or narrow their objections to the RS/N close was (in order to clarify what those shades of opinion were).</dd> <dd>Question as to what was actually done here. Clearly the RS/N close was overturned. It seems to me that what happened wasn't Option 2 ("Overturn to no consensus, defaulting to no change") at all.</dd> <dd>Rather, I gather that C727 has overturned and reclosed the discussion at RS/N as consensus for GREL (which could be taken either as Option 1, or Option 5 followed by C727 reclosing at RS/N for GREL). I think adding a new closing statement on the original discussion might be helpful if that is the case. <a href="/wiki/User:Samuelshraga" title="User:Samuelshraga">Samuelshraga</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samuelshraga" title="User talk:Samuelshraga">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Samuelshraga-20240808110300-0xDeadbeef-20240808093000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:03, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samuelshraga-20240808110300-0xDeadbeef-20240808093000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samuelshraga-20240808110300-0xDeadbeef-20240808093000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240808124700-Samuelshraga-20240808110300"></span>Regarding your first paragraph, I might have phrased it a bit awkwardly in my comment. It more so meant that people who had already explicitly suggested it to be reclosed with consensus for option 1 did not need to restate their position.</dd> <dd>I don't think the rest of your reply really addressed what I meant. 5 explicitly said <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Overturn by reverting the close, leaving someone else to close with no guidance from the community on how.</q> There's no way C727 could have closed the review and reclosed the rfc at the same time, by that wording. And supervoting, whether for option 1 or for option 2 (as I claimed), is still supervoting.</dd> <dd>And I disagree that the reclose was that way. Especially when the closing statement explicitly said <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I'll dither on whether there was a consensus that the original discussion should have been closed affirmatively in favor of option 1</q>.</dd> <dd>Let's not try to add more replies that further confound the discussion. I think it's important that C727 considers what I said about the close and answers the questions I had. I think it might not be very helpful if you tried to interpret the closing statement for me. (I, for instance, may interpret things very differently from you, so it is important that I hear thoughts from the closer) <span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x<a href="/wiki/User:0xDeadbeef" title="User:0xDeadbeef"><span style="text-transform:uppercase;color:black"><b>Deadbeef</b></span></a></span>→∞ (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:0xDeadbeef#top" title="User talk:0xDeadbeef">talk to me</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-0xDeadbeef-20240808124700-Samuelshraga-20240808110300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:47, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-0xDeadbeef-20240808124700-Samuelshraga-20240808110300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-0xDeadbeef-20240808124700-Samuelshraga-20240808110300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samuelshraga-20240808125900-0xDeadbeef-20240808124700"></span>I'll just say this: I don't think that Option 5 (which I supported) precluded the same person who closed the review as reclosing the discussion. The "someone else" is in reference to S Marshall I think. <a href="/wiki/User:Samuelshraga" title="User:Samuelshraga">Samuelshraga</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samuelshraga" title="User talk:Samuelshraga">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Samuelshraga-20240808125900-0xDeadbeef-20240808124700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:59, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samuelshraga-20240808125900-0xDeadbeef-20240808124700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samuelshraga-20240808125900-0xDeadbeef-20240808124700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Berchanhimez-20240808165100-0xDeadbeef-20240808124700"></span>I agree with Samuelshraga - I did not intend for my opinion of option 5 to mean the person closing the close review couldn’t also re-close the discussion. Nor did I read any of the options to preclude that outcome. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | <a href="/wiki/User:Berchanhimez" title="User:Berchanhimez">me</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Berchanhimez" title="User talk:Berchanhimez">talk to me!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Berchanhimez-20240808165100-0xDeadbeef-20240808124700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Berchanhimez-20240808165100-0xDeadbeef-20240808124700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Berchanhimez-20240808165100-0xDeadbeef-20240808124700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240808223200-0xDeadbeef-20240808093000"></span>Regarding your first concern: that section existed because many people who had voted to overturn had provided little clarity about what they expected to happen. Many other people had already made clear (or otherwise strongly implied) what they thought should happen and did not participate in this subsection, presumably because they saw no need to repeat themselves. Because of reasons like this, a subsection of a discussion like this which has relatively light participation does not necessarily make a consensus that's binding on the whole discussion. It can be informative, but I concluded that in this case, the appearance it gave was deceptive.</dd> <dd>Regarding your second paragraph: I overturned <i>The Telegraph</i> to being generally reliable on trans topics, which was the status quo prior to this discussion (as derived from the <i>The Telegraph</i><span class="nowrap" style="padding-left:0.1em;">'</span>s being generally reliable). You asked other things, but I'm finding myself confused by them, and I'm not sure whether that's because you wrote them in a confusing manner or if I'm just struggling to process it because I only slept four hours last night. I'll try to answer them again tomorrow. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240808223200-0xDeadbeef-20240808093000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240808223200-0xDeadbeef-20240808093000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240808223200-0xDeadbeef-20240808093000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-20240808224200-Compassionate727-20240808223200"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Regarding your second paragraph: I overturned The Telegraph to being generally reliable on trans topics, which was the status quo prior to this discussion (as derived from the The Telegraph's being generally reliable)</q> that's incompatible with a finding of no consensus in the RFC as repeatedly explained. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Thryduulf-20240808224200-Compassionate727-20240808223200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-20240808224200-Compassionate727-20240808223200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-20240808224200-Compassionate727-20240808223200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Raladic-20240808233200-Compassionate727-20240808223200"></span>By the way, since the RFC, and now your overturn, more articles have been published in the Telegraph with very questionable reliability on transgender issues - <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/07/trans-extremism-is-still-rife-in-the-health-service/">[2]</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/01/the-militant-bma-is-becoming-an-enemy-of-the-people/">[3]</a> - attacking the largest doctor union of the UK, representing 190,000 doctors and calling them "trans extremists" is not what a GREL newspaper would publish on a topic. This isn't merely bias anymore.</dd> <dd>So, if your overturn stands instead of no consensus=MREL, I expect another RFC very soon in light of some of the recent new articles, in particular as more and more international (and with the BMA also UK based) organizations have found serious flaws with the Cass Review. <a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Raladic" title="User talk:Raladic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Raladic-20240808233200-Compassionate727-20240808223200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raladic-20240808233200-Compassionate727-20240808223200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Raladic-20240808233200-Compassionate727-20240808223200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240809003700-Raladic-20240808233200"></span>Those are both opinion articles, which I deliberately avoided.</dd> <dd>I will say that if I could include opinion, there's some real whoppers from the Telegraph. I can think of <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/15/the-evil-trans-ideology-is-in-retreat-at-last/">one specific editorial</a> where the author claimed that <a href="/wiki/Josef_Mengele" title="Josef Mengele">Josef Mengele</a> was transitioning children. <a href="/wiki/User:LokiTheLiar" title="User:LokiTheLiar">Loki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LokiTheLiar" title="User talk:LokiTheLiar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-LokiTheLiar-20240809003700-Raladic-20240808233200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:37, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240809003700-Raladic-20240808233200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LokiTheLiar-20240809003700-Raladic-20240808233200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Raladic-20240809012200-LokiTheLiar-20240809003700"></span>I think at some point, platforming such opinion pieces does add into the actual newspapers reliability once it gets as extreme as these linked ones are. <a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Raladic" title="User talk:Raladic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Raladic-20240809012200-LokiTheLiar-20240809003700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raladic-20240809012200-LokiTheLiar-20240809003700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Raladic-20240809012200-LokiTheLiar-20240809003700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Liu-20240809034900-Raladic-20240809012200"></span>To you? Maybe. But that doesn't affect its use for the purpose of Wikipedia until it does. <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu"><span style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Aaron_Liu-20240809034900-Raladic-20240809012200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:49, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Liu-20240809034900-Raladic-20240809012200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Liu-20240809034900-Raladic-20240809012200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Super_Goku_V-20240809112000-Raladic-20240808233200"></span>I would expect another RfC regardless with how much criticism both closers have had to deal with. --<a href="/wiki/User:Super_Goku_V" title="User:Super Goku V">Super Goku V</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Super_Goku_V" title="User talk:Super Goku V">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Super_Goku_V-20240809112000-Raladic-20240808233200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Super_Goku_V-20240809112000-Raladic-20240808233200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Super_Goku_V-20240809112000-Raladic-20240808233200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Liu-20240808140100-Compassionate727-20240808002300"></span>I think Marshall made a pretty good point at the RSP talk page:<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237805129"><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>This drama is all about the Daily Telegraph and whether it's a reliable source about trans people. There's a broad consensus that the Daily Telegraph is, in general, a newspaper of record and a reliable source, and we've tested that consensus several times. Whether it's a reliable source about trans people is disputed, and there's no consensus among Wikipedians whether it is or isn't.<br/><span class="talkquote-by">— <a href="/wiki/User:S_Marshall" title="User:S Marshall">User:S Marshall</a></span> <small><a href="/wiki/Special:GoToComment/c-S_Marshall-20240808073800-Context" title="Special:GoToComment/c-S Marshall-20240808073800-Context">07:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a></small></p></blockquote> <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu"><span style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Aaron_Liu-20240808140100-Compassionate727-20240808002300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:01, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Liu-20240808140100-Compassionate727-20240808002300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Liu-20240808140100-Compassionate727-20240808002300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240808161900-Aaron_Liu-20240808140100"></span>Yes, exactly. Honestly, I wish that had been his original close. <a href="/wiki/User:LokiTheLiar" title="User:LokiTheLiar">Loki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LokiTheLiar" title="User talk:LokiTheLiar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-LokiTheLiar-20240808161900-Aaron_Liu-20240808140100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240808161900-Aaron_Liu-20240808140100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LokiTheLiar-20240808161900-Aaron_Liu-20240808140100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-S_Marshall-20240808163100-LokiTheLiar-20240808161900"></span>Really? You think that wasn't in my original close? Really?—<a href="/wiki/User:S_Marshall" title="User:S Marshall"><b style="font-family: Verdana; color: Maroon;">S Marshall</b></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:S_Marshall" title="User talk:S Marshall">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/S_Marshall" title="Special:Contributions/S Marshall">C</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-S_Marshall-20240808163100-LokiTheLiar-20240808161900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-S_Marshall-20240808163100-LokiTheLiar-20240808161900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-S_Marshall-20240808163100-LokiTheLiar-20240808161900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240808172500-S_Marshall-20240808163100"></span>It was <i>in</i> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1233119786">your original close</a>, yes, as a few lines buried in the middle. I wish it <i>was</i> your original close. The reason we're having problems here is that you started your close by editorializing about the Telegraph instead of summarizing the discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:LokiTheLiar" title="User:LokiTheLiar">Loki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LokiTheLiar" title="User talk:LokiTheLiar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-LokiTheLiar-20240808172500-S_Marshall-20240808163100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240808172500-S_Marshall-20240808163100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LokiTheLiar-20240808172500-S_Marshall-20240808163100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-S_Marshall-20240808175200-LokiTheLiar-20240808172500"></span>Yes, I "buried" it, as you put it, as the whole of paragraph 4. You know, I've been closing contentious RfCs for about ten years and in that time I've learned to have a pretty high threshold for people who moan about closes they haven't read; but the Daily Telegraph is starting to make me wonder if I need an eyerolling emoji.—<a href="/wiki/User:S_Marshall" title="User:S Marshall"><b style="font-family: Verdana; color: Maroon;">S Marshall</b></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:S_Marshall" title="User talk:S Marshall">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/S_Marshall" title="Special:Contributions/S Marshall">C</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-S_Marshall-20240808175200-LokiTheLiar-20240808172500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-S_Marshall-20240808175200-LokiTheLiar-20240808172500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-S_Marshall-20240808175200-LokiTheLiar-20240808172500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-20240808180600-S_Marshall-20240808175200"></span>You seem to be misunderstanding what Loki is saying. The problem isn't that it wasn't in your close or wasn't prominent in your close, the problem is your close contained a lot of stuff in addition to it. (The stuff you're suggesting they haven't read.) <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Levivich-20240808180600-S_Marshall-20240808175200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-20240808180600-S_Marshall-20240808175200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-20240808180600-S_Marshall-20240808175200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240808180900-Levivich-20240808180600"></span>Yes, exactly. <a href="/wiki/User:LokiTheLiar" title="User:LokiTheLiar">Loki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LokiTheLiar" title="User talk:LokiTheLiar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-LokiTheLiar-20240808180900-Levivich-20240808180600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240808180900-Levivich-20240808180600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LokiTheLiar-20240808180900-Levivich-20240808180600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20240808235000-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200"></span>If I have understood what you are saying here correctly, when you closed the review you functionally re-closed the RfC as a consensus for Option 1? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-BilledMammal-20240808235000-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:50, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20240808235000-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20240808235000-Peter_Gulutzan-20240807140200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Liu-20240809004100-BilledMammal-20240808235000"></span>I don't think "functionally" is a good avenue for debate. What he seemingly did was re-close the RfC as NOCON and interpret that as "retain status quo". <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu"><span style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Aaron_Liu-20240809004100-BilledMammal-20240808235000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:41, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Liu-20240809004100-BilledMammal-20240808235000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Liu-20240809004100-BilledMammal-20240808235000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20240809004400-Aaron_Liu-20240809004100"></span>I'm not sure they did re-close it as NOCON, which is why I'm asking for clarification. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-BilledMammal-20240809004400-Aaron_Liu-20240809004100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20240809004400-Aaron_Liu-20240809004100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20240809004400-Aaron_Liu-20240809004100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240809011200-BilledMammal-20240809004400"></span>Sorry, this is a mess of my own making. Honestly, I wanted to close as a consensus for option 1, but opted to close it as no consensus to change anything from the previous status quo (which is functionally option 1). I thought doing it this way would be more conservative, but it has instead proven more controversial, since it has come across as discarding the norms at RSP (which the discussion highlighted significant unease over, but certainly didn't establish any kind of a consensus to overthrow). Based on all the feedback here, I'm considering revising it to more straightforwardly find a consensus for option 1. While I'm not convinced the way I originally approached it is necessarily wrong, I'm beginning to appreciate that I complicated things needlessly. Sorry for the on-the-job learning moment, everyone. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240809011200-BilledMammal-20240809004400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:12, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240809011200-BilledMammal-20240809004400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240809011200-BilledMammal-20240809004400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Raladic-20240809011900-Compassionate727-20240809011200"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I'm considering revising it to more straightforwardly find a consensus for option 1</q> - that’s a bit concerning - if you’re searching for content to back your desired outcome then that’s like research being conducted that already knows what the result is and doing the “research” to fit that desired outcome.</dd> <dd>If your close was truly actually no consensus, then it should respect RSP and say that actually it wasn’t that clear a consensus for GREL, but actually no consensus and as such MREL. <a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Raladic" title="User talk:Raladic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Raladic-20240809011900-Compassionate727-20240809011200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:19, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raladic-20240809011900-Compassionate727-20240809011200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Raladic-20240809011900-Compassionate727-20240809011200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240809012300-Raladic-20240809011900"></span>Sorry, "want" was not a clear word. I "wanted" to close it as option 1 in the sense that after reading the discussion, I thought that was the side that prevailed, judging from the strength of the arguments made during the close review and which of those arguments were found persuasive by participants. I have no personal opinion on the underlying matter. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240809012300-Raladic-20240809011900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240809012300-Raladic-20240809011900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240809012300-Raladic-20240809011900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240809014100-Compassionate727-20240809012300"></span>To close <i>the underlying RFC</i> as option 1, you'd need to find that the strength of the arguments made <i>during the underlying RFC</i> were strongest, not during the close review.</dd> <dd>Basically I think the best thing here would be for you to vacate your close and have an admin close the review. And maybe the underlying RFC as well. <a href="/wiki/User:LokiTheLiar" title="User:LokiTheLiar">Loki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LokiTheLiar" title="User talk:LokiTheLiar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-LokiTheLiar-20240809014100-Compassionate727-20240809012300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:41, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LokiTheLiar-20240809014100-Compassionate727-20240809012300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LokiTheLiar-20240809014100-Compassionate727-20240809012300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240809015100-LokiTheLiar-20240809014100"></span>Obviously, I'm also considering the strength of the arguments in the underlying discussion. Many of the the arguments in the close review were about that. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240809015100-LokiTheLiar-20240809014100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240809015100-LokiTheLiar-20240809014100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240809015100-LokiTheLiar-20240809014100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-20240809083300-Compassionate727-20240809015100"></span>Sorry, Compassionate, but the more you say on this page the less I'm convinced that you have understood matters. You clearly haven't understood RSP (something that isn't unique to you), but you also don't seem to have understood the difference between the original RFC and the close review. I can only encourage you to stop digging the hole you've found yourself in by vacating the close. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Thryduulf-20240809083300-Compassionate727-20240809015100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-20240809083300-Compassionate727-20240809015100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-20240809083300-Compassionate727-20240809015100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-S_Marshall-20240809143700-Thryduulf-20240809083300"></span>I shouldn't be the one to launch a close review review, but... it's an option. In somewhat different circumstances, it's been done before. Whichever way, I'm starting to wonder if it's no longer fair to pile on on Compassionate727's talk page.—<a href="/wiki/User:S_Marshall" title="User:S Marshall"><b style="font-family: Verdana; color: Maroon;">S Marshall</b></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:S_Marshall" title="User talk:S Marshall">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/S_Marshall" title="Special:Contributions/S Marshall">C</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-S_Marshall-20240809143700-Thryduulf-20240809083300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-S_Marshall-20240809143700-Thryduulf-20240809083300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-S_Marshall-20240809143700-Thryduulf-20240809083300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-20240809145600-S_Marshall-20240809143700"></span>My advice is that you totally and completely disengage with this. <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Levivich-20240809145600-S_Marshall-20240809143700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-20240809145600-S_Marshall-20240809143700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-20240809145600-S_Marshall-20240809143700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-S_Marshall-20240809153500-Levivich-20240809145600"></span>I've considered that and I'm afraid I can't. I'm unable to tolerate the people who're actively lying about this.—<a href="/wiki/User:S_Marshall" title="User:S Marshall"><b style="font-family: Verdana; color: Maroon;">S Marshall</b></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:S_Marshall" title="User talk:S Marshall">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/S_Marshall" title="Special:Contributions/S Marshall">C</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-S_Marshall-20240809153500-Levivich-20240809145600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-S_Marshall-20240809153500-Levivich-20240809145600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-S_Marshall-20240809153500-Levivich-20240809145600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ADroughtOfVowels-20240809162400-S_Marshall-20240809153500"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">...the people who're actively lying about this.</q> ? <i><b><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ADroughtOfVowels" title="User talk:ADroughtOfVowels"><span style="color:black">W</span></a></sub><a href="/wiki/User:ADroughtOfVowels" title="User:ADroughtOfVowels"><span style="color:black">ADroughtOfVowels</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ADroughtOfVowels" title="Special:Contributions/ADroughtOfVowels"><span style="color:black">P</span></a></sup></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-ADroughtOfVowels-20240809162400-S_Marshall-20240809153500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ADroughtOfVowels-20240809162400-S_Marshall-20240809153500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ADroughtOfVowels-20240809162400-S_Marshall-20240809153500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240810000900-Thryduulf-20240809083300"></span>…the purpose of a close review is to determine whether a closer correctly weighed the arguments in light of policy. This necessarily involves considering arguments from both the close review and the underlying discussion. To take an example from this case: an editor argues that participants in the original discussion conflated bias and reliability, and their votes should have been given less weight. The person closing the close review must consider whether that person was correct in arguing both a) that bias and reliability are distinct under policy and b) that arguments in the original discussion conflated the two. When the closer makes a determination about the latter question, he is thus considering the strength of arguments from the original discussion, even though he does so because he is interested in the strength of the arguments in the close review. Do you not agree?</dd> <dd>At any rate, while I don't wish to be obstinate and would be relieved to not deal with this anymore, I haven't been convinced and don't see much agreement that I got it fundamentally wrong, so I don't yet think self-reverting is the right path. If you believe a formal challenge is necessary, then proceed with my blessing, but I must wonder if it wouldn't be more profitable to simply start a new discussion than litigate this one yet again. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240810000900-Thryduulf-20240809083300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240810000900-Thryduulf-20240809083300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240810000900-Thryduulf-20240809083300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xxanthippe-20240809020900-Telegraph_RFC"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a>. I commend your courageous (in the <a href="/wiki/Yes_Minister" title="Yes Minister">Yes Minister</a> sense) NAC closure of this contentious RfC. I think your closure was logical and fair. <a href="/wiki/User:Xxanthippe" title="User:Xxanthippe">Xxanthippe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xxanthippe" title="User talk:Xxanthippe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Xxanthippe-20240809020900-Telegraph_RFC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a>.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xxanthippe-20240809020900-Telegraph_RFC"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xxanthippe-20240809020900-Telegraph_RFC"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-20240809082800-Xxanthippe-20240809020900"></span>I would like to say the same thing, but the more I read on this page the less I'm convinced it was either logical or fair. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Thryduulf-20240809082800-Xxanthippe-20240809020900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-20240809082800-Xxanthippe-20240809020900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-20240809082800-Xxanthippe-20240809020900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-S_Marshall-20240809143700-Thryduulf-20240809082800"></span>In the UK TV series <i>Yes Minister</i> to which Xxanthippe refers, "courageous" is a polite euphemism for controversial and ill-advised. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik8JT2S-kBE">Youtube</a>, if you've got 30 seconds to spare.—<a href="/wiki/User:S_Marshall" title="User:S Marshall"><b style="font-family: Verdana; color: Maroon;">S Marshall</b></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:S_Marshall" title="User talk:S Marshall">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/S_Marshall" title="Special:Contributions/S Marshall">C</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-S_Marshall-20240809143700-Thryduulf-20240809082800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-S_Marshall-20240809143700-Thryduulf-20240809082800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-S_Marshall-20240809143700-Thryduulf-20240809082800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20240809211400-Xxanthippe-20240809020900"></span>For reference <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hemiauchenia">Hemiauchenia</a></span> has reverted the close<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1239530755">[4]</a> as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BADNAC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BADNAC">WP:BADNAC</a> #2. -- <small>LCU</small> <b><a href="/wiki/User:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User:ActivelyDisinterested">A<small>ctively</small>D<small>isinterested</small></a></b> <small><i>«<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User talk:ActivelyDisinterested">@</a>» °<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested" title="Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested">∆t</a>°</i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-ActivelyDisinterested-20240809211400-Xxanthippe-20240809020900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20240809211400-Xxanthippe-20240809020900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20240809211400-Xxanthippe-20240809020900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Wordsmith-20240809212400-ActivelyDisinterested-20240809211400"></span>That should be reverted. By longstanding community consensus, BADNAC by itself is not a valid reason to unilaterally overturn a close. I'd do it myself, but I participated in the close review. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New"><a href="/wiki/User:The_Wordsmith" title="User:The Wordsmith"><b>The Wordsmith</b></a></span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Wordsmith" title="User talk:The Wordsmith">Talk to me</a></i></small></span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-The_Wordsmith-20240809212400-ActivelyDisinterested-20240809211400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Wordsmith-20240809212400-ActivelyDisinterested-20240809211400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Wordsmith-20240809212400-ActivelyDisinterested-20240809211400"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_within_an_archive" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_within_an_archive-20240808132700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_within_an_archive-20240808132700"></span>Edit within an archive<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_within_an_archive-20240808132700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: Edit within an archive"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Springee-20240808132700-Edit_within_an_archive"></span>C727, wow, you are brave to take on that closing! For all the demands and grievances above I feel a bit bad about asking for one more thing. Would you mind either restoring the RSN discussion so the new close is public or perhaps posting a notice that the closing was changed? Editors who haven't followed all the AN discussions may not realize things have changed since the closing that was shown on RSN. A note at RSN would ensure that people with that page on their watch list will see the change in closing. Again, I hate to pile on but I hope this is at least an easy request to address. <a href="/wiki/User:Springee" title="User:Springee">Springee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Springee" title="User talk:Springee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Springee-20240808132700-Edit_within_an_archive" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Springee-20240808132700-Edit_within_an_archive"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Springee-20240808132700-Edit_within_an_archive"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240808230200-Springee-20240808132700"></span>Yes, apologies for the oversight, I will do that now. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240808230200-Springee-20240808132700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240808230200-Springee-20240808132700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240808230200-Springee-20240808132700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240808230300-Compassionate727-20240808230200"></span>Nevermind, <a href="/wiki/User:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User:ActivelyDisinterested">ActivelyDisinterested</a> beat me to it. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240808230300-Compassionate727-20240808230200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:03, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240808230300-Compassionate727-20240808230200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240808230300-Compassionate727-20240808230200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Gratitude" data-mw-thread-id="h-Gratitude-20240810164600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Gratitude-20240810164600"></span>Gratitude<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Gratitude-20240810164600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: Gratitude"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20240810164600-Gratitude"></span>Even though it has now been rescind I'd still like to thank you for your close of the Telegraph RFC, and the other closes you've done. It requires an amount of courage to put yourself in the spot light, and I'd hope the recent events don't put you off. -- <small>LCU</small> <b><a href="/wiki/User:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User:ActivelyDisinterested">A<small>ctively</small>D<small>isinterested</small></a></b> <small><i>«<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User talk:ActivelyDisinterested">@</a>» °<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested" title="Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested">∆t</a>°</i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-ActivelyDisinterested-20240810164600-Gratitude" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20240810164600-Gratitude"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20240810164600-Gratitude"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-20240810164700-ActivelyDisinterested-20240810164600"></span>+1, thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Levivich-20240810164700-ActivelyDisinterested-20240810164600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 10 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-20240810164700-ActivelyDisinterested-20240810164600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-20240810164700-ActivelyDisinterested-20240810164600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samuelshraga-20240810191300-Levivich-20240810164700"></span>I'm going to join the gratitude parade. I just wanted to say that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#c-Compassionate727-20240810131100-ActivelyDisinterested-20240809212100" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">this comment here</a> to me shows you spotted exactly what you got right and what you got wrong in this whole episode - which to me is as if not more impressive than the decision to put yourself out there and step up in the first place. Well done. <a href="/wiki/User:Samuelshraga" title="User:Samuelshraga">Samuelshraga</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samuelshraga" title="User talk:Samuelshraga">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Samuelshraga-20240810191300-Levivich-20240810164700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 10 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samuelshraga-20240810191300-Levivich-20240810164700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samuelshraga-20240810191300-Levivich-20240810164700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Liu-20240812021000-Samuelshraga-20240810191300"></span>I agree. <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu"><span style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Aaron_Liu-20240812021000-Samuelshraga-20240810191300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:10, 12 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Liu-20240812021000-Samuelshraga-20240810191300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Liu-20240812021000-Samuelshraga-20240810191300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Signpost:_14_August_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Signpost:_14_August_2024-20240814224700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Signpost:_14_August_2024-20240814224700"></span><i>The Signpost</i>: 14 August 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Signpost:_14_August_2024-20240814224700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: The Signpost: 14 August 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><div style="column-count:2;"> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240814224700-The_Signpost:_14_August_2024"></span>In the media: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/In the media">Portland pol profile paid for from public purse</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Recent research: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/Recent_research" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/Recent research">STORM: AI agents role-play as "Wikipedia editors" and "experts" to create Wikipedia-like articles, a more sophisticated effort than previous auto-generation systems</a></li></ul> <ul><li>In focus: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/In_focus" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/In focus">Twitter marks the spot</a></li></ul> <ul><li>News and notes: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/News_and_notes" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/News and notes">Another Wikimania has concluded.</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Special report: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/Special_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/Special report">Nano or just nothing: Will nano go nuclear?</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Opinion: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/Opinion" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/Opinion">HouseBlaster's RfA debriefing</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Traffic report: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/Traffic_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/Traffic report">Ball games, movies, elections, but nothing really <i>weird</i></a></li></ul> <ul><li>Humour: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/Humour" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/Humour">I'm proud to be a template</a> </li></ul></div> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; 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background-color: #F0F8FF;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:top;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DanCherek-20240819023800-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:CopyClean_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/CopyClean_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-CopyClean_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/CopyClean_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-CopyClean_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/CopyClean_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-CopyClean_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Copyright Cleanup Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;">Thank you for your diligent work at CopyPatrol! <a href="/wiki/User:DanCherek" title="User:DanCherek">DanCherek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DanCherek" title="User talk:DanCherek">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-DanCherek-20240819023800-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:38, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DanCherek-20240819023800-A_barnstar_for_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DanCherek-20240819023800-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AxSpA" data-mw-thread-id="h-AxSpA-20240822045000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AxSpA-20240822045000"></span>AxSpA<span data-mw-comment-end="h-AxSpA-20240822045000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: AxSpA"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.54.174.60-20240822045000-AxSpA"></span>Greetings, Why did you remove the necessary new chapter about axSpA pathophysiology? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/84.54.174.60" title="Special:Contributions/84.54.174.60">84.54.174.60</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:84.54.174.60&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:84.54.174.60 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-84.54.174.60-20240822045000-AxSpA" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84.54.174.60-20240822045000-AxSpA"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-84.54.174.60-20240822045000-AxSpA"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240823201900-84.54.174.60-20240822045000"></span>Presumably because it contained a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright_violation" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Copyright violation">copyright violation</a>. 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title="Wikipedia:CSD">criterion for speedy deletion</a>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#C4" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">C4</a>, which <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">applies to unused maintenance categories, such as empty dated maintenance categories for dates in the past</q>.</li> <li>A <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(species)#Proposal_to_adopt_this_guideline" title="Wikipedia talk:Notability (species)">request for comment</a> is open to discuss whether <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(species)" title="Wikipedia:Notability (species)">Notability (species)</a> should be adopted as a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SNG">subject-specific notability guideline</a>.</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" 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title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Historical elections">Historical Elections</a> is currently open. Proposed decision is expected by 3 September 2024 for this case.</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Info_Simple_bw.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Info_Simple_bw.svg/20px-Info_Simple_bw.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Info_Simple_bw.svg/30px-Info_Simple_bw.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Info_Simple_bw.svg/40px-Info_Simple_bw.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></a></span> <b>Miscellaneous</b> </p> <ul><li>Editors can now enter into <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_review_circles" title="Wikipedia:Good article review circles">good article review circles</a>, an alternative for informal <i><a href="/wiki/Quid_pro_quo" title="Quid pro quo">quid pro quo</a></i> arrangements, to have a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations" title="Wikipedia:Good article nominations">GAN</a> reviewed in return for reviewing a different editor's nomination.</li> <li>A <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Backlog_drives/September_2024" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/September 2024"><b>New Pages Patrol backlog drive</b></a> is happening in September 2024 to reduce the number of unreviewed articles and redirects in the <a href="/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed" title="Special:NewPagesFeed">new pages feed</a>. 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Is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gail_Lumet_Buckley&diff=1245254943&oldid=1245254039">this version</a> better? Thanks. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.88.88.200" title="Special:Contributions/65.88.88.200">65.88.88.200</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:65.88.88.200" title="User talk:65.88.88.200">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-65.88.88.200-20240911225300-Gail_Lumet_Buckley" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-65.88.88.200-20240911225300-Gail_Lumet_Buckley"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-65.88.88.200-20240911225300-Gail_Lumet_Buckley"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240911225800-65.88.88.200-20240911225300"></span>Yes, thank you. Make sure not to remove the copyvio template, though, that's there to make sure an admin deletes the old versions from the page history (so we don't continue hosting copyright violations). <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240911225800-65.88.88.200-20240911225300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240911225800-65.88.88.200-20240911225300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240911225800-65.88.88.200-20240911225300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-65.88.88.200-20240911230600-Compassionate727-20240911225800"></span>Ok. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.88.88.200" title="Special:Contributions/65.88.88.200">65.88.88.200</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:65.88.88.200" title="User talk:65.88.88.200">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-65.88.88.200-20240911230600-Compassionate727-20240911225800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-65.88.88.200-20240911230600-Compassionate727-20240911225800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-65.88.88.200-20240911230600-Compassionate727-20240911225800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="African_American_History" data-mw-thread-id="h-African_American_History-20240912190500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-African_American_History-20240912190500"></span>African American History<span data-mw-comment-end="h-African_American_History-20240912190500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: African American History"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RFAvaria-20240912190500-African_American_History"></span>Hello!!, Hope all is well. I am just circling back with you because you deleted some text from the "African American History" page and the only feedback you provided was "large amounts of junk". Can you share with me specifically which parts of the history that was cited is in your view "junk" and why you believe it does not benefit the reader to contextually learn more about the topic. Thanks and I look forward to your response. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RFAvaria&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RFAvaria (page does not exist)">RFAvaria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RFAvaria" title="User talk:RFAvaria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-RFAvaria-20240912190500-African_American_History" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RFAvaria-20240912190500-African_American_History"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RFAvaria-20240912190500-African_American_History"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240912191600-RFAvaria-20240912190500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RFAvaria&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RFAvaria (page does not exist)">RFAvaria</a>:</span> Sorry for the curt edit summary, I'm still looking at that page's history trying to make sense of all the changes that were made. Your first edit made a mess of the lead and introduced a copyright violation (you copied several sentences word-for-word from <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-changing-definition-of-african-american-4905887/">https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-changing-definition-of-african-american-4905887/</a>), while some of your later edits like <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1245329847" title="Special:Diff/1245329847">this</a> seemed to remove some information from citations for no apparent reason, but on closer examination, it looks like it was just <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VisualEditor" title="Wikipedia:VisualEditor">VisualEditor</a> rearranging everything confusingly. I haven't actually looked at your prose additions all that closely. If you want to reinstate some of your changes, I think that's probably fine, as long as you make sure to avoid copying the language of your sources too closely. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240912191600-RFAvaria-20240912190500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240912191600-RFAvaria-20240912190500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240912191600-RFAvaria-20240912190500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RFAvaria-20240912192200-Compassionate727-20240912191600"></span>Thanks for the response, I will reinstate. I cannot help but wonder if maybe (because I am a horrible speller) I actually write my thoughts into ChatGPT and then I say, please clean up text provided. So I am wondering if maybe that is why it loos similar. In future what I can do is just ask it to correct my spelling that way I know that in the refining process it did not use something that was too close to someone else's words . Its good to know someone else has a second set of eyes on this as it is (imo) a pretty important topic to get right. thanks TTYS <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RFAvaria&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RFAvaria (page does not exist)">RFAvaria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RFAvaria" title="User talk:RFAvaria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-RFAvaria-20240912192200-Compassionate727-20240912191600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RFAvaria-20240912192200-Compassionate727-20240912191600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RFAvaria-20240912192200-Compassionate727-20240912191600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240912192500-RFAvaria-20240912192200"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RFAvaria&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RFAvaria (page does not exist)">RFAvaria</a>:</span> I would strongly recommend against using ChatGPT or any other AI software to write for you. The output is often very poor quality, and sometimes outright false. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Large_language_models" title="Wikipedia:Large language models">Wikipedia:Large language models</a> for more on that. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240912192500-RFAvaria-20240912192200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240912192500-RFAvaria-20240912192200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240912192500-RFAvaria-20240912192200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RFAvaria-20240912192800-Compassionate727-20240912192500"></span>opinion not option....lol (I told you I was a horrible speller) lololol <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RFAvaria&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RFAvaria (page does not exist)">RFAvaria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RFAvaria" title="User talk:RFAvaria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-RFAvaria-20240912192800-Compassionate727-20240912192500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RFAvaria-20240912192800-Compassionate727-20240912192500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RFAvaria-20240912192800-Compassionate727-20240912192500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RFAvaria-20240912192700-Compassionate727-20240912191600"></span>Hey- OK, thanks, while you are here an looking at that page I could use an option..... I keep looking at the section at the bottom where it reads "women owned businesses" and I feel like that is just plopped inn the middle of the page . I feel like there needs to be the explanation of why people were opening their own businesses because of what was happening in the larger context of society but I feel like in so doing it would repeat a lot of what is explained in the other Eras... How would you tackle this?? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RFAvaria&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RFAvaria (page does not exist)">RFAvaria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RFAvaria" title="User talk:RFAvaria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-RFAvaria-20240912192700-Compassionate727-20240912191600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RFAvaria-20240912192700-Compassionate727-20240912191600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RFAvaria-20240912192700-Compassionate727-20240912191600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Molly_Searcy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Molly_Searcy-20240913001700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Molly_Searcy-20240913001700"></span>Molly Searcy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Molly_Searcy-20240913001700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: Molly Searcy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imperial_meter-20240913001700-Molly_Searcy"></span>Even you reverted, could you please partially restore or rewrite some parts to avoid copyvio? Although to do it myself or not, m however, I would able to use the link listed on an external page instead and I partially copied some words and sometimes rewrite them because I cannot even use ChatGPT and almost sucked at writing sentences. But thanks for your concerns. <a href="/wiki/User:Imperial_meter" title="User:Imperial meter">Imperial meter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imperial_meter" title="User talk:Imperial meter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Imperial_meter-20240913001700-Molly_Searcy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Imperial_meter-20240913001700-Molly_Searcy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Imperial_meter-20240913001700-Molly_Searcy"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240913172300-Imperial_meter-20240913001700"></span>I don't fully understand what you are requesting. If you want me to rewrite the content that you copied for you, I am willing to consider it, but I have other priorities right now, so it definitely won't happen soon. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240913172300-Imperial_meter-20240913001700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240913172300-Imperial_meter-20240913001700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240913172300-Imperial_meter-20240913001700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imperial_meter-20240913221600-Compassionate727-20240913172300"></span>I could add it back but would that be ok to reinstate my edit and rewrite in my own words? I need advice on how to fix or alter the sentences and paragraphs that should not be too close to the sources. Let me know first. <a href="/wiki/User:Imperial_meter" title="User:Imperial meter">Imperial meter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imperial_meter" title="User talk:Imperial meter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Imperial_meter-20240913221600-Compassionate727-20240913172300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Imperial_meter-20240913221600-Compassionate727-20240913172300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Imperial_meter-20240913221600-Compassionate727-20240913172300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240914132900-Imperial_meter-20240913221600"></span>No, you may not reinsert the copyrighted material; you must rewrite it first. The best way to avoid copyright violations is to summarize: exclude any details that aren't really necessary. The second best way is to change both the vocabulary and the sentence structure of the passages you are using. The latter may be difficult if you're a non-native English speaker, but if you wish to attempt it, feel free to tell me when you've done so and I'll give feedback. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240914132900-Imperial_meter-20240913221600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240914132900-Imperial_meter-20240913221600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240914132900-Imperial_meter-20240913221600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Feedback_on_Speedy_Deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Feedback_on_Speedy_Deletion-20240913012600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Feedback_on_Speedy_Deletion-20240913012600"></span>Feedback on Speedy Deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Feedback_on_Speedy_Deletion-20240913012600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: Feedback on Speedy Deletion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kurinobaka-20240913012600-Feedback_on_Speedy_Deletion"></span>Hi, thanks for your comment but could you take away the deletion because this is a draft that I don't intend to build up past a stub or start class. I am new to Wikipedia and im currently still re-editig it and this is to lead to a larger article on courtesans in Ancient India. However I do accept your criticisms and I will re edit it <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kurinobaka&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kurinobaka (page does not exist)">Kurinobaka</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kurinobaka" title="User talk:Kurinobaka">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Kurinobaka-20240913012600-Feedback_on_Speedy_Deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kurinobaka-20240913012600-Feedback_on_Speedy_Deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kurinobaka-20240913012600-Feedback_on_Speedy_Deletion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240913171800-Kurinobaka-20240913012600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kurinobaka&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kurinobaka (page does not exist)">Kurinobaka</a>:</span> No, that is not within my power to do. I would not do it even if I could, because your draft consisted almost entirely of material copied from one website, and copyright violations are unacceptable on Wikipedia for legal reasons. Moreover, starting with such a draft and rewriting it will almost certainly leave with you with a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Close_paraphrasing" title="Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing">close paraphrase</a>, which is also unacceptable.</dd> <dd>That said, if you want, you can ask the deleting adminstrator (<a href="/wiki/User:Whpq" title="User:Whpq">Whpq</a>), and he <i>might</i> (or might not) be willing to email you a copy of your draft. If he does, you cannot repost in on Wikipedia without radically changing it first. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240913171800-Kurinobaka-20240913012600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240913171800-Kurinobaka-20240913012600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240913171800-Kurinobaka-20240913012600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whpq-20240913175300-Kurinobaka-20240913012600"></span>I do not restore copyright violations either on-wiki or by email. <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kurinobaka&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kurinobaka (page does not exist)">Kurinobaka</a>:</span> You will need to write your article from scratch using your own words. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Whpq" title="User:Whpq">Whpq</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whpq" title="User talk:Whpq">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Whpq-20240913175300-Kurinobaka-20240913012600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whpq-20240913175300-Kurinobaka-20240913012600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whpq-20240913175300-Kurinobaka-20240913012600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kurinobaka-20240913182900-Whpq-20240913175300"></span>Noted! Thanks for the info! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kurinobaka&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kurinobaka (page does not exist)">Kurinobaka</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kurinobaka" title="User talk:Kurinobaka">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Kurinobaka-20240913182900-Whpq-20240913175300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kurinobaka-20240913182900-Whpq-20240913175300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kurinobaka-20240913182900-Whpq-20240913175300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_cup_of_tea_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_cup_of_tea_for_you!-20240918133600"><span id="A_cup_of_tea_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_cup_of_tea_for_you!-20240918133600"></span>A cup of tea for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_cup_of_tea_for_you!-20240918133600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=58" title="Edit section: A cup of tea for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Starship.paint-20240918133600-A_cup_of_tea_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg/120px-Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="90" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg/180px-Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg/240px-Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1500"/></a></span> </td> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Compassionate727, I wish you a speedy recovery back to full health. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Starship.paint" title="User:Starship.paint"><span style="color:#512888">starship</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Starship.paint" title="Special:Contributions/Starship.paint"><span style="color:#512888">.paint</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starship.paint" title="User talk:Starship.paint">RUN</a>)</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Starship.paint-20240918133600-A_cup_of_tea_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Starship.paint-20240918133600-A_cup_of_tea_for_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Starship.paint-20240918133600-A_cup_of_tea_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_10" data-mw-thread-id="h-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_10-20240923173000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_10-20240923173000"></span>Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_10-20240923173000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=59" title="Edit section: Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Naypta-20240923173000-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_10"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Internet-group-chat.svg/48px-Internet-group-chat.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="48" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Internet-group-chat.svg/72px-Internet-group-chat.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Internet-group-chat.svg/96px-Internet-group-chat.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p>Your feedback is requested at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Million_Dollar_Extreme#rfc_FCE4D59" title="Talk:Million Dollar Extreme"><b>Talk:Million Dollar Extreme</b> on a "All RFCs" request for comment</a>. 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Contact <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Naypta" title="User talk:Naypta">my bot operator</a>. | Sent at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Naypta-20240923173000-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Naypta-20240923173000-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_10"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Naypta-20240923173000-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_10"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Regarding_Talk:Trump_International_Golf_Club_shooting#Requested_move_15_September_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Regarding_Talk:Trump_International_Golf_Club_shooting#Requested_move_15_Septembe-20240924205500"><span id="Regarding_Talk:Trump_International_Golf_Club_shooting.23Requested_move_15_September_2024"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Regarding_Talk:Trump_International_Golf_Club_shooting#Requested_move_15_Septembe-20240924205500"></span>Regarding Talk:Trump_International_Golf_Club_shooting#Requested_move_15_September_2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Regarding_Talk:Trump_International_Golf_Club_shooting#Requested_move_15_Septembe-20240924205500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: Regarding Talk:Trump_International_Golf_Club_shooting#Requested_move_15_September_2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Locke_Cole-20240924205500-Regarding_Talk:Trump_International_Golf_Club_shooting#Requested_move_15_Septembe"></span>Could you please undo your closure, as you did not seem to follow the directions at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RMCI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RMCI">WP:RMCI</a>. Specifically: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">Further, any move request that is out of keeping with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Naming conventions">naming conventions</a> or is otherwise in conflict with applicable guideline and policy, unless there is a very good reason to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">ignore rules</a>, should be closed without moving regardless of how many of the participants support it. Remember, the participants in any given discussion represent only a tiny fraction of the Wikipedia community whose consensus is reflected in the policy, guidelines and conventions to which all titles are to adhere. Thus, closers are expected to be familiar with such matters, so that they have the ability to make these assessments.</q> As I mentioned at the discussion, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCE">WP:NCE</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOYEAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOYEAR">WP:NOYEAR</a> are clear here, there does not currently exist a period long enough to satisfy the <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">historical perspective</q> necessary to not include a year in the title of this event. Thanks. —<a href="/wiki/User:Locke_Cole" title="User:Locke Cole">Locke Cole</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Locke_Cole" title="User talk:Locke Cole">t</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Locke_Cole" title="Special:Contributions/Locke Cole">c</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Locke_Cole-20240924205500-Regarding_Talk:Trump_International_Golf_Club_shooting#Requested_move_15_Septembe" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Locke_Cole-20240924205500-Regarding_Talk:Trump_International_Golf_Club_shooting#Requested_move_15_Septembe"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Locke_Cole-20240924205500-Regarding_Talk:Trump_International_Golf_Club_shooting#Requested_move_15_Septembe"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240925082500-Locke_Cole-20240924205500"></span>I don't believe your understanding of "historic perspective" is the only valid one under policy; a case can be made that the only relevant history is the history that has actually happened, and that the "where" and "what" are sufficient for identification in that context, as many people felt they were. I don't see any policy arguments compelling enough to overthrow the clear numerical preference shown for the now-current title. That said, it was a chaotic RM without any specific proposal under consideration, and if you believe that it would be better to also or instead use the date, I would encourage you to start an RM specifically proposing that. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240925082500-Locke_Cole-20240924205500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240925082500-Locke_Cole-20240924205500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240925082500-Locke_Cole-20240924205500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Locke_Cole-20240925154000-Compassionate727-20240925082500"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">I don't believe your understanding of "historic perspective" is the only valid one under policy</q> It's not "my" understanding. Please note all of the examples provided at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOYEAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOYEAR">WP:NOYEAR</a> are all ten years or older. Do you have a precedent for <i>your</i> "understanding" of <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">historic perspective</q> and how a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LOCALCON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LOCALCON">local consensus</a> can override it (which, as originally stated, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RMCI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RMCI">WP:RMCI</a> cautions against)? I think your understanding is a novel one, with the historic perspective only being a couple of weeks... There's also the serious issues with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPCRIME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPCRIME">WP:BLPCRIME</a> (which again, a local consensus cannot override on their own). —<a href="/wiki/User:Locke_Cole" title="User:Locke Cole">Locke Cole</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Locke_Cole" title="User talk:Locke Cole">t</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Locke_Cole" title="Special:Contributions/Locke Cole">c</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Locke_Cole-20240925154000-Compassionate727-20240925082500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Locke_Cole-20240925154000-Compassionate727-20240925082500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Locke_Cole-20240925154000-Compassionate727-20240925082500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20240925223000-Locke_Cole-20240925154000"></span>As the person asserting that your arguments should be greatly favored over others', the onus is on you to demonstrate that your reading of policy is the only right one. I don't find your attempts to justify your interpretation of "historic" by the handful of examples cited in the policy compelling. Others cited a consistency argument with the Gerald Ford assassination attempts articles, which I think works against your argument that the consensus here is exceptionally local. As for the BLPCRIME arguments, I'm continuing to pay close attention to that, but the issue was barely raised in the RM and even in the section dedicated to the current title potentially being a BLPCRIME violation, I'm not seeing a consensus that it is. Consequently, I don't feel like I'd be justified closing the RM any other way. You can challenge it at MR if you want, I guess, but I truly think bringing a specific alternative title with these arguments to a new RM would get you further. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20240925223000-Locke_Cole-20240925154000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20240925223000-Locke_Cole-20240925154000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20240925223000-Locke_Cole-20240925154000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Locke_Cole-20240926051500-Compassionate727-20240925223000"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">As the person asserting that your arguments should be greatly favored over others', the onus is on you to demonstrate that your reading of policy is the only right one.</q> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RMCI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RMCI">WP:RMCI</a> is still there: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">Further, any move request that is out of keeping with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Naming conventions">naming conventions</a> or is otherwise in conflict with applicable guideline and policy, unless there is a very good reason to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">ignore rules</a>, should be closed without moving regardless of how many of the participants support it. Remember, the participants in any given discussion represent only a tiny fraction of the Wikipedia community whose consensus is reflected in the policy, guidelines and conventions to which all titles are to adhere. Thus, closers are expected to be familiar with such matters, so that they have the ability to make these assessments.</q> The title you claim has a consensus fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCE">WP:NCE</a>. At any rate, you were given an opportunity to reverse yourself and chose not to. Off to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MRV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MRV">WP:MRV</a> it is I guess. —<a href="/wiki/User:Locke_Cole" title="User:Locke Cole">Locke Cole</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Locke_Cole" title="User talk:Locke Cole">t</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Locke_Cole" title="Special:Contributions/Locke Cole">c</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Locke_Cole-20240926051500-Compassionate727-20240925223000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Locke_Cole-20240926051500-Compassionate727-20240925223000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Locke_Cole-20240926051500-Compassionate727-20240925223000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Signpost:_26_September_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Signpost:_26_September_2024-20240926200700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Signpost:_26_September_2024-20240926200700"></span><i>The Signpost</i>: 26 September 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Signpost:_26_September_2024-20240926200700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: The Signpost: 26 September 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><div style="column-count:2;"> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240926200700-The_Signpost:_26_September_2024"></span>In the media: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-09-26/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-09-26/In the media">Courts order Wikipedia to give up names of editors, legal strain anticipated from "online safety laws"</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Community view: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-09-26/Community_view" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-09-26/Community view">Indian courts order Wikipedia to take down name of crime victim, editors strive towards consensus</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Serendipity: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-09-26/Serendipity" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-09-26/Serendipity">A Wikipedian at the 2024 Paralympics</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Opinion: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-09-26/Opinion" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-09-26/Opinion">asilvering's RfA debriefing</a></li></ul> <ul><li>News and notes: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-09-26/News_and_notes" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-09-26/News and notes">Are you ready for admin elections?</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Gallery: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-09-26/Gallery" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-09-26/Gallery">Are Ludd<i>ai</i>tes defending the English Wikipedia?</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Recent research: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-09-26/Recent_research" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-09-26/Recent research">Article-writing AI is less "prone to reasoning errors (or hallucinations)" than human Wikipedia editors</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Traffic report: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-09-26/Traffic_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-09-26/Traffic report">Jump in the line, rock your body in time</a> </li></ul></div> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost">Read this Signpost in full</a></b> * <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Single/2024-09-26" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Single/2024-09-26">Single-page</a> * <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Subscribe" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe">Unsubscribe</a> * <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240926200700-The_Signpost:_26_September_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240926200700-The_Signpost:_26_September_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240926200700-The_Signpost:_26_September_2024"></span> </div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RFA2024_update:_Discussion-only_period_now_open_for_review" data-mw-thread-id="h-RFA2024_update:_Discussion-only_period_now_open_for_review-20240927093800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RFA2024_update:_Discussion-only_period_now_open_for_review-20240927093800"></span>RFA2024 update: Discussion-only period now open for review<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RFA2024_update:_Discussion-only_period_now_open_for_review-20240927093800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: RFA2024 update: Discussion-only period now open for review"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240927093800-RFA2024_update:_Discussion-only_period_now_open_for_review"></span>Hi there! The trial of the <strong>RfA discussion-only period</strong> passed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFA2024" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFA2024">WP:RFA2024</a> has concluded, and after open discussion, the RfC is now considering whether to retain, modify, or discontinue it. You are invited to participate at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Discussion-only_period" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Discussion-only period">Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Discussion-only period</a></b>. Cheers, and happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240927093800-RFA2024_update:_Discussion-only_period_now_open_for_review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240927093800-RFA2024_update:_Discussion-only_period_now_open_for_review"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240927093800-RFA2024_update:_Discussion-only_period_now_open_for_review"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Quit_India_Movement" data-mw-thread-id="h-Quit_India_Movement-20240928172300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Quit_India_Movement-20240928172300"></span>Quit India Movement<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Quit_India_Movement-20240928172300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: Quit India Movement"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sxk125125-20240928172300-Quit_India_Movement"></span>Can you please help me? There are millions of Gandhi and Indian Congress party lovers on internet and they do not want the stuff which I have written, Can you please undo the latest deletion as it is not allowing me do it. Out of all the citations, none is mine - all are well documented and from 1942 British Govt declassified files and 1942 New York Times and 1942 Indian Express. Thanks <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sxk125125&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sxk125125 (page does not exist)">Sxk125125</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sxk125125" title="User talk:Sxk125125">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Sxk125125-20240928172300-Quit_India_Movement" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sxk125125-20240928172300-Quit_India_Movement"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sxk125125-20240928172300-Quit_India_Movement"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dympies-20240928172900-Sxk125125-20240928172300"></span>Wikipedia is not a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">platform for posting your personal research</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Dympies" title="User:Dympies">Dympies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dympies" title="User talk:Dympies">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Dympies-20240928172900-Sxk125125-20240928172300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dympies-20240928172900-Sxk125125-20240928172300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dympies-20240928172900-Sxk125125-20240928172300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sxk125125-20240928173500-Dympies-20240928172900"></span>Then no body should be allowed to write anything at wikipedia because s/he is quoting from a book or newspaper and hence it is his/her personal research!!!!!! There is no requirement like it at wikipedia!!!! You have no idea about it. Others did not question it - please see comments from others. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sxk125125&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sxk125125 (page does not exist)">Sxk125125</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sxk125125" title="User talk:Sxk125125">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Sxk125125-20240928173500-Dympies-20240928172900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sxk125125-20240928173500-Dympies-20240928172900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sxk125125-20240928173500-Dympies-20240928172900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sxk125125-20240928174500-Sxk125125-20240928173500"></span>please read the paragraph - "no reliable published source exists" - Please undo the deletion!!!</dd> <dd><b>Wikipedia articles must not contain original research.</b> On <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia">Wikipedia</a>, <i>original research</i> means material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">reliable, published source</a> exists. This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Synthesis_of_published_material" title="Wikipedia:No original research">reaches or implies a conclusion not stated by the sources</a>. To demonstrate that you are not adding original research, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are <i>directly related</i> to the topic of the article and <i>directly support</i> the material being presented. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sxk125125&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sxk125125 (page does not exist)">Sxk125125</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sxk125125" title="User talk:Sxk125125">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Sxk125125-20240928174500-Sxk125125-20240928173500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sxk125125-20240928174500-Sxk125125-20240928173500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sxk125125-20240928174500-Sxk125125-20240928173500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dympies-20240928174500-Sxk125125-20240928174500"></span>You can cite a book that has produced 100% same conclusions as yours. Right now you are only publishing your personal understanding of some sources which are forbidden by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Dympies" title="User:Dympies">Dympies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dympies" title="User talk:Dympies">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Dympies-20240928174500-Sxk125125-20240928174500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dympies-20240928174500-Sxk125125-20240928174500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dympies-20240928174500-Sxk125125-20240928174500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sxk125125-20240928174800-Dympies-20240928174500"></span>You have NO IDEA about research. Please go through all my citations. It is not a question of personal understanding - EVERYTHING IS CLEAR IN THOSE CITATIONS!!! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sxk125125&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sxk125125 (page does not exist)">Sxk125125</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sxk125125" title="User talk:Sxk125125">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Sxk125125-20240928174800-Dympies-20240928174500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sxk125125-20240928174800-Dympies-20240928174500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sxk125125-20240928174800-Dympies-20240928174500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sxk125125-20240928175300-Dympies-20240928174500"></span>Show me the line in forbidden by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a>. which prohibits. Anyone who would go through the 1942 documents would immediately come to conclusion which I have written. There is no question of a book. There are MILLIONs of Wikipedia pages having quotes from newspaper website links are there - now the question is - as per you, all these should be deleted because they are not from a book!!! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sxk125125&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sxk125125 (page does not exist)">Sxk125125</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sxk125125" title="User talk:Sxk125125">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Sxk125125-20240928175300-Dympies-20240928174500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sxk125125-20240928175300-Dympies-20240928174500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sxk125125-20240928175300-Dympies-20240928174500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sxk125125-20240928175700-Sxk125125-20240928175300"></span>Please DONOT use you own personal definition of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a>. Please undo the deletion. Thanks <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sxk125125&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sxk125125 (page does not exist)">Sxk125125</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sxk125125" title="User talk:Sxk125125">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Sxk125125-20240928175700-Sxk125125-20240928175300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sxk125125-20240928175700-Sxk125125-20240928175300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sxk125125-20240928175700-Sxk125125-20240928175300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sxk125125-20240928185300-Sxk125125-20240928175700"></span>Your Wikipedia Contributions CLEARY shows that you are a ANTI-BJP person ( The current BJP minister JP Nadda corruption charges) and you have contributed on pro-Muslim stuffs (Bollywood Muslim heros Ajit, Freed Khan, Feroze Khan etc. - a lot more on Islam topics which are positive in nature) in India also. This is the reason that you have deleted my section and I do not think that you would not undo it. You are a biased person and hence you can not stand anything negative of Gandhi.</dd> <dd>There are more than this one</dd> <dd><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=J._P._Nadda&diff=1242374426&oldid=1242374280">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=J._P._Nadda&diff=1242374426&oldid=1242374280</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sxk125125&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sxk125125 (page does not exist)">Sxk125125</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sxk125125" title="User talk:Sxk125125">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Sxk125125-20240928185300-Sxk125125-20240928175700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sxk125125-20240928185300-Sxk125125-20240928175700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" 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class="mw-file-description" title="Added"><img alt="added" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Gnome-colors-list-add.svg/20px-Gnome-colors-list-add.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Gnome-colors-list-add.svg/30px-Gnome-colors-list-add.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Gnome-colors-list-add.svg/40px-Gnome-colors-list-add.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><div class="hlist inline"><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Asilvering" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Asilvering">Asilvering</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Significa_liberdade" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Significa liberdade">Significa liberdade</a></li></ul></div></dd> <dd><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Removed"><img alt="removed" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg/20px-Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg/30px-Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg/40px-Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><div class="hlist inline"><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1243351441#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2024#September_2024" title="Special:PermanentLink/1243351441">Good Olfactory</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1243351441#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2024#September_2024" title="Special:PermanentLink/1243351441">Hesperian</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1243351441#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2024#September_2024" title="Special:PermanentLink/1243351441">I JethroBT</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1246173614#Lost_password_on_admin_account" title="Special:PermanentLink/1246173614">TommyBoy</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1244096990#Desysop_request_(Woody)" title="Special:PermanentLink/1244096990">Woody</a></li></ul></div></dd></dl> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Checkuser_Logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/Checkuser_Logo.svg/20px-Checkuser_Logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/Checkuser_Logo.svg/30px-Checkuser_Logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/Checkuser_Logo.svg/40px-Checkuser_Logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="110" data-file-height="110"/></a></span> <b>CheckUser changes</b> </p> <dl><dd><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Readded"><img alt="readded" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg/20px-Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg/30px-Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg/40px-Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><div class="hlist inline"><ul><li><a 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The first trial election will take place in October 2024, with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_elections/October_2024/Call_for_candidates" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Administrator elections/October 2024/Call for candidates">candidate sign-up</a> from October 8 to 14, a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_elections/October_2024/Discussion_phase" title="Wikipedia:Administrator elections/October 2024/Discussion phase">discussion phase</a> from October 22 to 24, and <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SecurePoll" class="extiw" title="meta:SecurePoll">SecurePoll voting</a> from October 25 to 31. For questions or to help out, please visit the talk page at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Administrator_elections" title="Wikipedia talk:Administrator elections">Wikipedia talk:Administrator elections</a>.</li> <li>Following <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#"File_pages_without_a_corresponding_file"" title="Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion">a discussion</a>, the speedy deletion reason "File pages without a corresponding file" has been moved from criterion <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#G8" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">G8</a> to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#F2" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">F2</a>. This does not change what can be speedily deleted.</li> <li>A <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Administrator_Recall" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)">request for comment</a> is open to discuss whether there is a consensus to have an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_recall" title="Wikipedia:Administrator recall">administrator recall</a> process.</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/20px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/30px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208"/></a></span> <b>Arbitration</b> </p> <ul><li>The arbitration case <i><a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1245898405#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Historical_elections_closed" title="Special:PermanentLink/1245898405">Historical elections</a></i> has been closed.</li> <li>An arbitration case regarding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Backlash_to_diversity_and_inclusion" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Backlash to diversity and inclusion">Backlash to diversity and inclusion</a> has been opened.</li> <li>Editors are invited to <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2024/Electoral_Commission" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2024/Electoral Commission">nominate themselves</a></b> to serve on the 2024 Arbitration Committee Electoral Commission until <i>23:59 October 8, 2024 (UTC)</i>.</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Info_Simple_bw.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Info_Simple_bw.svg/20px-Info_Simple_bw.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Info_Simple_bw.svg/30px-Info_Simple_bw.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Info_Simple_bw.svg/40px-Info_Simple_bw.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></a></span> <b>Miscellaneous</b> </p> <ul><li>If you are interested in stopping spammers, please put <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Spam-whitelist" title="MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist">MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist</a> and <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist" title="MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist">MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist</a> on your watchlist, and help out when you can.</li></ul> <hr/> <div class="center" style="width:auto; 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width:100%; border:3px solid #fceb92; margin:1em auto 1em auto;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="vertical-align:middle; padding:1px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TolBot-20241005210000-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_8"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Paul1.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Paul1.svg/100px-Paul1.svg.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="98" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Paul1.svg/150px-Paul1.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Paul1.svg/200px-Paul1.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="480" data-file-height="472"/></a></span> </td> <td style="vertical-align:middle; padding:1px; text-align:center;"><b>Greetings, Compassionate727</b>. You are receiving this notification because <i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators_without_tools/Endorsers" title="Wikipedia:Administrators without tools/Endorsers">you've agreed</a></i> to consider endorsing prospective admin candidates identified by <i><a href="/wiki/Template:Administrator_without_tools/doc" title="Template:Administrator without tools/doc">the process</a></i> outlined at <i><b><span class="nowrap"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators_without_tools" title="Wikipedia:Administrators without tools">Administrators without tools</a></span></b></i>. Recently, the following editor(s) received this distinction and the associated <i><a href="/wiki/Category:Administrators_without_tools" title="Category:Administrators without tools">endearing title</a></i>:<br/><div><ul><li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vanderwaalforces/Archives/2024/10_(October)#There_is_a_mop_reserved_in_your_name" title="User talk:Vanderwaalforces/Archives/2024/10 (October)">Vanderwaalforces</a></li></ul></div> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="font-size: small;"> <ul><li><i>Thank you for supporting this effort. Your contributions are an integral part of overall success, and an example for others to follow.</i></li> <li><i>To stop receiving these notifications, <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators_without_tools/Endorsers" title="Wikipedia:Administrators without tools/Endorsers">remove your name from the list</a></b></i>.</li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Tol" title="User:Tol"><span style="color:#f542d7">Tol</span></a><a href="/wiki/User:TolBot" title="User:TolBot">Bot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TolBot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:TolBot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-TolBot-20241005210000-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TolBot-20241005210000-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_8"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TolBot-20241005210000-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_8"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_about_Close_Request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_Close_Request-20241008180100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_Close_Request-20241008180100"></span>Question about Close Request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_Close_Request-20241008180100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=66" title="Edit section: Question about Close Request"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20241008180100-Question_about_Close_Request"></span>There is a discussion on RSN, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSN#RfC:_Universe_Guide" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSN">WP:RSN#RfC: Universe Guide</a>, that could use a close. Close Request says not to ask for obvious closes, which this appears to be, but this may form the basis of a request to blacklist the source, so I want to avoid an involved close. As you're a CR regular I thought I would ask if you have any advice? -- <small>LCU</small> <b><a href="/wiki/User:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User:ActivelyDisinterested">A<small>ctively</small>D<small>isinterested</small></a></b> <small><i>«<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User talk:ActivelyDisinterested">@</a>» °<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested" title="Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested">∆t</a>°</i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-ActivelyDisinterested-20241008180100-Question_about_Close_Request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20241008180100-Question_about_Close_Request"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20241008180100-Question_about_Close_Request"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20241008224700-ActivelyDisinterested-20241008180100"></span>Given the unanimous consensus, I highly doubt an involved closure would be controversial. Nevertheless, since you've brought it to my attention, I'll close it; there's no harm in doing things "properly," so to speak. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20241008224700-ActivelyDisinterested-20241008180100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20241008224700-ActivelyDisinterested-20241008180100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20241008224700-ActivelyDisinterested-20241008180100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reverted_your_removal_of_CFD_tag" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reverted_your_removal_of_CFD_tag-20241008232500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reverted_your_removal_of_CFD_tag-20241008232500"></span>Reverted your removal of CFD tag<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reverted_your_removal_of_CFD_tag-20241008232500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=67" title="Edit section: Reverted your removal of CFD tag"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smasongarrison-20241008232500-Reverted_your_removal_of_CFD_tag"></span>So I reverted your removal of the cfd tag on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:14th-century_German_LGBT_people&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:14th-century German LGBT people (page does not exist)">Category:14th-century German LGBT people</a>. My understanding is that the CFD stays on until the page is actually processed for merging/rename etc. Otherwise removing the tag disrupts the process, and then no admin knows to reprocess the category.<a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Smasongarrison-20241008232500-Reverted_your_removal_of_CFD_tag" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smasongarrison-20241008232500-Reverted_your_removal_of_CFD_tag"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smasongarrison-20241008232500-Reverted_your_removal_of_CFD_tag"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20241008233100-Smasongarrison-20241008232500"></span>I added the page to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:CFDW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:CFDW">WT:CFDW</a>; the bot should handle everything as soon as an admin copies it over. Are you saying removing the template interferes with the bot's operation? That would be surprising news to me. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20241008233100-Smasongarrison-20241008232500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20241008233100-Smasongarrison-20241008232500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20241008233100-Smasongarrison-20241008232500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HouseBlaster-20241009172100-Compassionate727-20241008233100"></span>The bot will process categories which were never tagged, though sometimes it confuses the admins processing the nomination at WT:CFDW. We check to make sure the category was actually tagged, and the easiest way to do that is to see that the category is currently tagged. It also helps because the tag populates <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Categories_for_discussion_from_September_2024&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Categories for discussion from September 2024 (page does not exist)">Category:Categories for discussion from September 2024</a>, which helps editors (both admins and not) identify any stranglers which were never processed. (For instance, that is how I caught Mason's nomination at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_29#Category:20th-century_Catalan_architects" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 29">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 29#Category:20th-century Catalan architects</a>.)<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>The TLDR: Removing the template is less than ideal, but not because it stops the bot from doing its job. It prevents humans from making sure everything is being done correctly. <b><a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster"><span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-HouseBlaster-20241009172100-Compassionate727-20241008233100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HouseBlaster-20241009172100-Compassionate727-20241008233100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HouseBlaster-20241009172100-Compassionate727-20241008233100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20241009185800-HouseBlaster-20241009172100"></span>Ah, I understand. Thanks. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20241009185800-HouseBlaster-20241009172100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20241009185800-HouseBlaster-20241009172100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20241009185800-HouseBlaster-20241009172100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20241012070700"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20241012070700"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20241012070700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=68" title="Edit section: A barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; 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Contact <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Naypta" title="User talk:Naypta">my bot operator</a>. | Sent at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Naypta-20241012193000-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Naypta-20241012193000-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_11"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Naypta-20241012193000-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_11"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Another_barnstar_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Another_barnstar_for_you!-20241013204100"><span id="Another_barnstar_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Another_barnstar_for_you!-20241013204100"></span>Another barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Another_barnstar_for_you!-20241013204100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=70" title="Edit section: Another barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7; padding: 0.2em;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HouseBlaster-20241013204100-Another_barnstar_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Category_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Category_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Category_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Category_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Category_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Category_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Category_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Categorisation Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">Thank you for your hard work on closing CfDs and double-checking my work! It is sincerely appreicated :) Best, <b><a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster"><span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-HouseBlaster-20241013204100-Another_barnstar_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HouseBlaster-20241013204100-Another_barnstar_for_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HouseBlaster-20241013204100-Another_barnstar_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20241013204800-HouseBlaster-20241013204100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">HouseBlaster</a>:</span> Haha, I wouldn't say I'm checking your work. Really, I was wondering if the bot accepts lines formatted "X and Y to Z" like it does "A to B and C" and looking over CFDW to see if there are any examples of that. That I caught the mistake was providential. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20241013204800-HouseBlaster-20241013204100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20241013204800-HouseBlaster-20241013204100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20241013204800-HouseBlaster-20241013204100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Page_mover_granted" data-mw-thread-id="h-Page_mover_granted-20241015174000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Page_mover_granted-20241015174000"></span>Page mover granted<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Page_mover_granted-20241015174000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=71" title="Edit section: Page mover granted"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241015174000-Page_mover_granted"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia_page_mover.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Wikipedia_page_mover.svg/80px-Wikipedia_page_mover.svg.png" decoding="async" width="80" height="80" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Wikipedia_page_mover.svg/120px-Wikipedia_page_mover.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Wikipedia_page_mover.svg/160px-Wikipedia_page_mover.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Hello, Compassionate727. Your account has been <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ACompassionate727">granted</a></span> the "<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r886049734">.mw-parser-output .monospaced{font-family:monospace,monospace}</style><span class="monospaced">extendedmover</span>" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Moving_a_page" title="Wikipedia:Moving a page">moving pages</a>. 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Recently, the following editor(s) received this distinction and the associated <i><a href="/wiki/Category:Administrators_without_tools" title="Category:Administrators without tools">endearing title</a></i>:<br/><div><ul><li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Serial_Number_54129#There_is_a_mop_reserved_in_your_name" title="User talk:Serial Number 54129">Serial Number 54129</a></li></ul></div> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="font-size: small;"> <ul><li><i>Thank you for supporting this effort. Your contributions are an integral part of overall success, and an example for others to follow.</i></li> <li><i>To stop receiving these notifications, <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators_without_tools/Endorsers" title="Wikipedia:Administrators without tools/Endorsers">remove your name from the list</a></b></i>.</li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Tol" title="User:Tol"><span style="color:#f542d7">Tol</span></a><a href="/wiki/User:TolBot" title="User:TolBot">Bot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TolBot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:TolBot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-TolBot-20241024210000-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TolBot-20241024210000-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_10"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TolBot-20241024210000-Notification_of_administrators_without_tools_10"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ARBPIA" data-mw-thread-id="h-ARBPIA-20241027144000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ARBPIA-20241027144000"></span>ARBPIA<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ARBPIA-20241027144000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=75" title="Edit section: ARBPIA"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nableezy-20241027144000-ARBPIA"></span>You have closed discussions in this topic area, but you’ve also engaged on the content, for example the RSN thread you’ve started. That being the case I request you no longer close discussions in a topic you are involved in. <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nableezy" title="User talk:Nableezy"><span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span></a></b> - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Nableezy-20241027144000-ARBPIA" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nableezy-20241027144000-ARBPIA"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nableezy-20241027144000-ARBPIA"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20241027171400-Nableezy-20241027144000"></span>You have not been explicit, but this sounds like a request that I not close any more discussions in the topic area of the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed, à la <a href="/wiki/User:Red-tailed_hawk" title="User:Red-tailed hawk">Red-tailed hawk</a>. If it is, then I feel I must say I don't intend to adhere to this request. I believe my editorial participation in the area is far too minimal to constitute involvement with the broad topic. I'll grant that I shouldn't close any discussions about the reliability of Al-Jazeera (I think I've participated in two of those now), but I don't see how anything I've done impeaches my ability to close discussions like <a href="/wiki/Talk:2024_Nuseirat_rescue_operation#Proposed_merge_of_Nuseirat_refugee_camp_massacre_into_2024_Nuseirat_rescue_operation" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:2024 Nuseirat rescue operation">this</a>, <a href="/wiki/Talk:Petah_Tikva#Merge_proposal" title="Talk:Petah Tikva">this</a>, or <a href="/wiki/Talk:2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel#Requested_move_15_June_2024" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel">this</a>, which have no meaningful relation to that question. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20241027171400-Nableezy-20241027144000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20241027171400-Nableezy-20241027144000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20241027171400-Nableezy-20241027144000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nableezy-20241027171500-Compassionate727-20241027171400"></span>Ok, I’ll be raising this elsewhere when that happens then. <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nableezy" title="User talk:Nableezy"><span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span></a></b> - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Nableezy-20241027171500-Compassionate727-20241027171400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nableezy-20241027171500-Compassionate727-20241027171400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nableezy-20241027171500-Compassionate727-20241027171400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20241027174400-Nableezy-20241027171500"></span>I'd rather have that conversation now, so I've raised it at AN. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20241027174400-Nableezy-20241027171500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20241027174400-Nableezy-20241027171500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20241027174400-Nableezy-20241027171500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nableezy-20241027182200-Compassionate727-20241027174400"></span>I’m not going to pretend that you can preemptively be proclaimed uninvolved. I don’t really care what happens at that AN, I’ll raise my concern when and where it is relevant. Take care. <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nableezy" title="User talk:Nableezy"><span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span></a></b> - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Nableezy-20241027182200-Compassionate727-20241027174400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nableezy-20241027182200-Compassionate727-20241027174400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nableezy-20241027182200-Compassionate727-20241027174400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_12" data-mw-thread-id="h-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_12-20241028063200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_12-20241028063200"></span>Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_12-20241028063200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=76" title="Edit section: Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Naypta-20241028063200-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_12"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Internet-group-chat.svg/48px-Internet-group-chat.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="48" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Internet-group-chat.svg/72px-Internet-group-chat.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Internet-group-chat.svg/96px-Internet-group-chat.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p>Your feedback is requested at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Commemorative_Air_Force#rfc_381DCFD" title="Talk:Commemorative Air Force"><b>Talk:Commemorative Air Force</b> on a "All RFCs" request for comment</a>. 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Contact <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Naypta" title="User talk:Naypta">my bot operator</a>. | Sent at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Naypta-20241028063200-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Naypta-20241028063200-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_12"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Naypta-20241028063200-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_12"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Larnoch_road_murders" data-mw-thread-id="h-Larnoch_road_murders-20241102190300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Larnoch_road_murders-20241102190300"></span>Larnoch road murders<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Larnoch_road_murders-20241102190300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=77" title="Edit section: Larnoch road murders"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Traumnovelle-20241102190300-Larnoch_road_murders"></span>I was going to comment something before the close, no idea if it would have changed your close: the other day I was discussing Larnoch Road and the double homicide quickly came up, I believe the old title is more recognisable when compared to the names based on this as I doubt the average person is going to recognise the names but the Larnoch Road homicides are something well remembered alongside crimes like the <a href="/wiki/Bassett_Road_machine_gun_murders" title="Bassett Road machine gun murders">Bassett Road machine gun murders</a> in Auckland. <a href="/wiki/User:Traumnovelle" title="User:Traumnovelle">Traumnovelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Traumnovelle" title="User talk:Traumnovelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Traumnovelle-20241102190300-Larnoch_road_murders" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Traumnovelle-20241102190300-Larnoch_road_murders"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Traumnovelle-20241102190300-Larnoch_road_murders"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20241103144300-Traumnovelle-20241102190300"></span>Not likely. Although an argument that the name is more common and recognizable is salient policy-wise, it wouldn't be adequate unless sourcing was provided that uses it, which it doesn't sound like you have. Additionally, the consensus for the new title was relatively strong, considering how the discussion unfolded. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20241103144300-Traumnovelle-20241102190300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20241103144300-Traumnovelle-20241102190300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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You edit has left half of a close at the top of the thread<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1255173471">[5]</a>. -- <small>LCU</small> <b><a href="/wiki/User:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User:ActivelyDisinterested">A<small>ctively</small>D<small>isinterested</small></a></b> <small><i>«<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ActivelyDisinterested" title="User talk:ActivelyDisinterested">@</a>» °<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested" title="Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested">∆t</a>°</i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-ActivelyDisinterested-20241103160700-Half_a_close" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20241103160700-Half_a_close"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ActivelyDisinterested-20241103160700-Half_a_close"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20241103182300-ActivelyDisinterested-20241103160700"></span>Yeah, I did. 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Contact <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Naypta" title="User talk:Naypta">my bot operator</a>. | Sent at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Naypta-20241111073100-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Naypta-20241111073100-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_13"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Naypta-20241111073100-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_13"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Floating_talk_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Floating_talk_page-20241111153300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Floating_talk_page-20241111153300"></span>Floating talk page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Floating_talk_page-20241111153300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=82" title="Edit section: Floating talk page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Selfstudier-20241111153300-Floating_talk_page"></span>Please don't do that, kindly keep <a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikipedia_and_antisemitism&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:Wikipedia and antisemitism (page does not exist)">Talk:Wikipedia and antisemitism</a> together with the draft. <a href="/wiki/User:Selfstudier" title="User:Selfstudier">Selfstudier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Selfstudier" title="User talk:Selfstudier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Selfstudier-20241111153300-Floating_talk_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Selfstudier-20241111153300-Floating_talk_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Selfstudier-20241111153300-Floating_talk_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Selfstudier-20241111153600-Selfstudier-20241111153300"></span>As an aside, I am not really all that bothered but don't really understand why it wasn't just closed as merge, seemed fairly clear cut. <a href="/wiki/User:Selfstudier" title="User:Selfstudier">Selfstudier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Selfstudier" title="User talk:Selfstudier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Selfstudier-20241111153600-Selfstudier-20241111153300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Selfstudier-20241111153600-Selfstudier-20241111153300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Selfstudier-20241111153600-Selfstudier-20241111153300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20241111154300-Selfstudier-20241111153600"></span>Done, thanks for your input. (I've managed to really confuse myself, sorry.)</dd> <dd>And I could've, in which case I would've just redirected it. But I think some people will want to keep working on it, and then they'd need to copy the old version somewhere, and I thought it better to just move it now and keep the revision history together. (Although now that I think of it, if the draft ends up deleted as stale, that will create an attribution problem too... maybe I should move it back and let it be forked after all.) <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20241111154300-Selfstudier-20241111153600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20241111154300-Selfstudier-20241111153600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20241111154300-Selfstudier-20241111153600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sirfurboy-20241111155400-Compassionate727-20241111154300"></span>Many thanks for the merge close and for stepping in there. Regarding the draftification, I see why you have done that, and it is sensible in many ways, but I think it comes with a problem. The redirect from a merge close preserves all the page history, so it may be referred to by anyone looking at the history of any content merged to the new target. Moving the page to a draft breaks the link, and if the draft is deleted in the future without publication, the history is lost. Suggest that you undo the draftify, make the redirect (or add merging templates) and suggest that anyone - most likely ProfGray - may copy to a new draft if they wish, as long as the new draft copy contains the edsum "content copied from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_and_antisemitism" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia and antisemitism">Wikipedia and antisemitism</a> - see that page for edit history and attribution". This meets the CC-BY-SA licensing conditions. Thanks again. <a href="/wiki/User:Sirfurboy" title="User:Sirfurboy">Sirfurboy🏄</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sirfurboy" title="User talk:Sirfurboy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Sirfurboy-20241111155400-Compassionate727-20241111154300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sirfurboy-20241111155400-Compassionate727-20241111154300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sirfurboy-20241111155400-Compassionate727-20241111154300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XDanielx-20241111174000-Sirfurboy-20241111155400"></span>If the draft were to end up deleted, I'm not sure there'd be any need to preserve history. <a href="/wiki/Criticism_of_Wikipedia#Antisemitic_bias" title="Criticism of Wikipedia">Criticism of Wikipedia#Antisemitic bias</a> doesn't appear to have had <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CWW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CWW">copying within</a>, and I'm not sure any other merging will occur?</dd> <dd>If a need to preserve history did arise, we could <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLANKANDREDIRECT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLANKANDREDIRECT">blank and redirect</a> as an alternative to any deletion. E.g. if we improve the draft, move it back, and that triggers a second AfD, AfD is considered a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ATD-R" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ATD-R">suitable venue</a> for a blank-and-redirect discussion.</dd> <dd>While starting a new page and pointing to another's history is valid, it's a bit nicer to maintain a continuous history when we can.</dd> <dd>(And thanks Compassionate727 for taking on a rather complicated close.) — <a href="/wiki/User:XDanielx" title="User:XDanielx"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold; color: green;">xDanielx</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:XDanielx" title="User talk:XDanielx">T</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/XDanielx" title="Special:Contributions/XDanielx">C</a></sub>\<sup><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_review/xDanielx" title="Wikipedia:Editor review/xDanielx">R</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-XDanielx-20241111174000-Sirfurboy-20241111155400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XDanielx-20241111174000-Sirfurboy-20241111155400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XDanielx-20241111174000-Sirfurboy-20241111155400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20241112225700-XDanielx-20241111174000"></span>I think Daniel is right here. Only one sentence seems to have been copied from the now-draft, and nothing of it survives. I don't think it's critical to keep in mainspace right now, and I'll make sure the draft gets moved back to mainspace and redirected instead of being deleted as stale, if it comes to that. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20241112225700-XDanielx-20241111174000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20241112225700-XDanielx-20241111174000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20241112225700-XDanielx-20241111174000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mahs_Amini" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mahs_Amini-20241112191100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mahs_Amini-20241112191100"></span>Mahs Amini<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mahs_Amini-20241112191100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Compassionate727&action=edit&section=83" title="Edit section: Mahs Amini"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AlijenabH-20241112191100-Mahs_Amini"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> You are wrongly going to merge article <a href="/wiki/Mahsa_Amini" class="mw-redirect" title="Mahsa Amini">Mahsa Amini</a> into <a href="/wiki/Death_of_Mahsa_Amini" title="Death of Mahsa Amini">Death of Mahsa Amini</a> where they need neccessarily to be separated because both of them are notable and Mahsa Amin has received <a href="/wiki/Sakharov_Prize" title="Sakharov Prize">Sakharov Prize</a> and a person who has recieved this important prize must have an article independently. Unfortunatly some users are determined to remove her article just because of political reasons which is not acceptable in wikipedia. Please do not merge these articles. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AlijenabH&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AlijenabH (page does not exist)">AlijenabH</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AlijenabH" title="User talk:AlijenabH">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-AlijenabH-20241112191100-Mahs_Amini" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AlijenabH-20241112191100-Mahs_Amini"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AlijenabH-20241112191100-Mahs_Amini"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20241113231100-AlijenabH-20241112191100"></span>It is not clear from this comment that you have read the rationale I gave when I found the consensus to merge. Please do so if you haven't, then reply if you think the reason I gave is wrong. 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SNOW closes and speedy keeps are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SK#NOT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SK">separate things</a>, and I would advise against combining the two in one close moving forward. <a href="/wiki/User:JJPMaster" title="User:JJPMaster">JJP</a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JJPMaster" title="User talk:JJPMaster">Mas</a><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJPMaster" title="Special:Contributions/JJPMaster">ter</a></sub></sub> (<a href="/wiki/She_(pronoun)" title="She (pronoun)">she</a>/<a href="/wiki/Singular_they" title="Singular they">they</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-JJPMaster-20241119203800-Regarding_your_recent_AfD_closes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JJPMaster-20241119203800-Regarding_your_recent_AfD_closes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JJPMaster-20241119203800-Regarding_your_recent_AfD_closes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20241119204200-JJPMaster-20241119203800"></span>Huh. I was not aware of that, and back when I first started <s>ending</s> <u>editing</u>, "speedy keep per WP:SNOW" was a common enough thing for people to write. I'll revise the rationales. Thanks for informing me! <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20241119204200-JJPMaster-20241119203800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>; typo corrected 20:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20241119204200-JJPMaster-20241119203800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20241119204200-JJPMaster-20241119203800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JJPMaster-20241119204400-Compassionate727-20241119204200"></span>Yeah, I used to do the same at RfD all the time, except I'd even forgo the "per WP:SNOW" part, which made many of my closures really unclear (see <a href="/wiki/User_talk:JJPMaster/Archive_3#Speedy_non-admin_closures_at_RfD" title="User talk:JJPMaster/Archive 3">this discussion</a> for when I was reprimanded for it). 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The statement that <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Overall, the arguments that the discussion did not establish the high level of consensus from the entire community (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROPOSAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROPOSAL">WP:PROPOSAL</a>) required to adopt it as such were stronger than the arguments that it did</q> only makes sense in a close review that actually <i>is</i> about an RFC that was trying to adopt a new policy, in which case PROPOSAL would have to be followed, not this thread, whose entire premise is that the RFC <i>wasn't</i> trying to accomplish that (and therefore wouldn't have to follow PROPOSAL anyhow). The sentence <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Other editors countered that said discussion was not a sufficiently robust basis to establish <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_recall" title="Wikipedia:Administrator recall">Wikipedia:Administrator recall</a> as policy because many were nevertheless unaware of the discussion, [and] some people did not participate because the question was confusing</q> also has the same issues. </p><p>I assume that you included these details because many participants brought them up, but I do not think those participants were advancing the discussion in a productive way, and their remarks should be assigned a low weight in the close accordingly. This was posted on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">WP:AN</a> two days after Graham87's petiton initially received overwhelming pushback, and so a lot of complaining about recall from people who just learned it passed occured therin. It is of course possible for a discussion to evolve and consider options beyond what the person who started it asked for, but in this case, the discussion was clearly never going to be able to overturn recall entirely, and so your close of it shouldn't mention comments that wanted that. </p><p>In short: Please rewrite the close remove the three offending parts of the close I put in a <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Talk_quotation" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Talk quotation">talk quotation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mach61" title="User talk:Mach61">Mach61</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Mach61-20241123233600-Concerns_with_wording_of_your_close_at_WP:Administrators'_noticeboard_§_Is_WP:R" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mach61-20241123233600-Concerns_with_wording_of_your_close_at_WP:Administrators'_noticeboard_§_Is_WP:R"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mach61-20241123233600-Concerns_with_wording_of_your_close_at_WP:Administrators'_noticeboard_§_Is_WP:R"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-20241127155800-Mach61-20241123233600"></span>Sorry for the silence; for a couple of days, I was too sick to fully understand your argument, and then I couldn't decide to what extent I agreed with it. Currently, I am not truly persuaded that the lines you object to are a problem. Conceivably, a consensus could have developed that the promotion to policy was out-of-process but ultimately merited, in which case I would have closed it to keep the policy tag per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTBURO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTBURO">WP:NOTBURO</a>. Therefore, I consider it salient that there were widespread substantial, and not just procedural, objections to recall being policy. I acknowledge that I did a poor job framing everything, but especially at this point, I'm not convinced it is worthwhile to rewrite the closure just for that. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a class="mw-selflink selflink">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727#c-Compassionate727-20241127155800-Mach61-20241123233600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-20241127155800-Mach61-20241123233600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-20241127155800-Mach61-20241123233600"></span> <dl><dd><span style="font-size:smaller;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amakuru-20241127161300-Compassionate727-20241127155800"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page stalker</a>)</span> the whole issue seems a bit of an odd one to me. Most policies are things which are generally adhered to but not always, for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">WP:IAR</a> or other reasons. Whereas Recall is something more than that as it's binding. If I recall is successfully enacted for me, there is no provision for me or bureaucrats to declare <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">WP:IAR</a> and ignore the petition without being desysopped. Overall I don't think it makes much difference whether it's marked as a policy and consistency would suggest it's not necessary to mark it as one. Your close seems fine to me. 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