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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Conservatism" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Conservatism">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Conservatism</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Conservatism</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Conservatism</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Conservatism articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_needs_revision" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_needs_revision-2008-11-13T08:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_needs_revision-2008-11-13T08:28:00.000Z"></span>Template needs revision<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_needs_revision-2008-11-13T08:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Monarchism&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Template needs revision"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-13T08:28:00.000Z-Template_needs_revision"></span>Certainly, a Monarchism template for certain subjects could be useful, but the topics in the 'history' section of the template seem odd choices. Only <a href="/wiki/Magna_Carta" title="Magna Carta">Magna Carta</a> displays the Monarchism template. The main article, <a href="/wiki/Monarchy" title="Monarchy">Monarchy</a> does not display it. I think we need to rethink the purpose of this template. The topics the template claims are (tenuously, in some cases) related to monarchy, but other historical and political templates would seem to have a greater claim to them. I would like to open a discussion.--<a href="/wiki/User:Gazzster" title="User:Gazzster">Gazzster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gazzster" title="User talk:Gazzster">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Gazzster-2008-11-13T08:28:00.000Z-Template_needs_revision" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-13T08:28:00.000Z-Template_needs_revision"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gazzster-2008-11-13T08:28:00.000Z-Template_needs_revision"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lawe-2008-11-13T12:28:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-13T08:28:00.000Z"></span>I would agree with the above. --<a href="/wiki/User:Lawe" title="User:Lawe">Lawe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lawe" title="User talk:Lawe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Lawe-2008-11-13T12:28:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-13T08:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lawe-2008-11-13T12:28:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-13T08:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lawe-2008-11-13T12:28:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-13T08:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-13T22:09:00.000Z-Template_needs_revision"></span>I have deleted the 'history' section of the template because the topics contained therein do not have the template. Neither can they make an exclusive claim to the template. <a href="/wiki/Magna_Carta" title="Magna Carta">Magna Carta</a> is an exception. It does have the template, but even here, <a href="/wiki/Template:History_of_England" title="Template:History of England">Template:History of England</a> would seem more appropriate. By all means, though, let's discuss how this template could be revised and made more useful.--<a href="/wiki/User:Gazzster" title="User:Gazzster">Gazzster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gazzster" title="User talk:Gazzster">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Gazzster-2008-11-13T22:09:00.000Z-Template_needs_revision" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-13T22:09:00.000Z-Template_needs_revision"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gazzster-2008-11-13T22:09:00.000Z-Template_needs_revision"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lawe-2008-11-14T09:43:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-13T22:09:00.000Z"></span>Why is this not a monarchy, rather than monarchism template? Maybe pick the bones of the monarchism article. --<a href="/wiki/User:Lawe" title="User:Lawe">Lawe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lawe" title="User talk:Lawe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Lawe-2008-11-14T09:43:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-13T22:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:43, 14 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lawe-2008-11-14T09:43:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-13T22:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lawe-2008-11-14T09:43:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-13T22:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T12:29:00.000Z-Lawe-2008-11-14T09:43:00.000Z"></span>Good point. As 'Monarchism', a political ideology, its use is going to be quite limited.But if it becomes 'Monarchy', it can be applied to many historical articles. Even so, to avoid plastering such a template on a plethora of articles, it would be better to have more specific templates: 'UK Monarchy', 'Danish Monarchy', 'Monarchy of Lesotho', etc. But that seems over the top, as many of these templates would be specific to only one article. No, the more I think of this, Template:Monarchism should probably remain as; unused.--<a href="/wiki/User:Gazzster" title="User:Gazzster">Gazzster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gazzster" title="User talk:Gazzster">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T12:29:00.000Z-Lawe-2008-11-14T09:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 14 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T12:29:00.000Z-Lawe-2008-11-14T09:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T12:29:00.000Z-Lawe-2008-11-14T09:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:11:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T12:29:00.000Z"></span>Cameron, you reverted my edit and said discuss on the talk page. I have. Not my fault if only Lawe joined in. I started this page by inviting discussion. I would welcome your views.--<a href="/wiki/User:Gazzster" title="User:Gazzster">Gazzster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gazzster" title="User talk:Gazzster">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:11:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T12:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:11:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T12:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:11:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T12:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cameron-2008-11-14T21:30:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:11:00.000Z"></span>Please wait first. Two for and one against is still no consensus for change (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CON">WP:CON</a>). Revolutions and important documents like the Magna Carta are obviously relevant to monarchism...--<b><a href="/wiki/User:Cameron" title="User:Cameron">Cameron</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cameron" title="User talk:Cameron">*</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Cameron-2008-11-14T21:30:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cameron-2008-11-14T21:30:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cameron-2008-11-14T21:30:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:34:00.000Z-Cameron-2008-11-14T21:30:00.000Z"></span>G'day! Glad you joined us. OK. Make your argument.--<a href="/wiki/User:Gazzster" title="User:Gazzster">Gazzster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gazzster" title="User talk:Gazzster">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:34:00.000Z-Cameron-2008-11-14T21:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 14 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:34:00.000Z-Cameron-2008-11-14T21:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:34:00.000Z-Cameron-2008-11-14T21:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:44:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:34:00.000Z"></span>If the Template lists articles, presumably that template should or could be applied to those articles? But there are far more relevant and appropriate templates assigned to these articles already. Why, for example, should <a href="/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles" title="Treaty of Versailles">Treaty of Versailles</a> own the Monarchism template, rather than the template it already has?--<a href="/wiki/User:Gazzster" title="User:Gazzster">Gazzster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gazzster" title="User talk:Gazzster">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:44:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 14 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:44:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:44:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cameron-2008-11-14T21:49:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:44:00.000Z"></span>The magna carta is of vital importance for monarchies not only in the UK but on a global scale. Revolutions (effectively being the end of many monarchies) are also of great importance to the history of the monarchy in various countries. Templates do necessarily need to be present on all the pages listed. I'll leave a note at the royalty wikiproject to get some more input. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Cameron" title="User:Cameron">Cameron</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cameron" title="User talk:Cameron">*</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Cameron-2008-11-14T21:49:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 14 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cameron-2008-11-14T21:49:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cameron-2008-11-14T21:49:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:57:00.000Z-Cameron-2008-11-14T21:49:00.000Z"></span>Good idea. I can't appreciate the significance of <a href="/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles" title="Treaty of Versailles">Treaty of Versailles</a> in particular. The Treaty did not abolish any monarchies. The Emperors of Germany and Austria-Hungary abdicated at the end of the War in 1918, before Versailles.The monarchy of Turkey continued for a time, and the monarchy of Bulgaria continued through WWII.--<a href="/wiki/User:Gazzster" title="User:Gazzster">Gazzster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gazzster" title="User talk:Gazzster">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:57:00.000Z-Cameron-2008-11-14T21:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:57:00.000Z-Cameron-2008-11-14T21:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:57:00.000Z-Cameron-2008-11-14T21:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T22:12:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:57:00.000Z"></span>Similarly, the <a href="/wiki/Revolutions_of_1848" title="Revolutions of 1848">Revolutions of 1848</a> were not specifically anti-monarchist. In fact, in Germany, the imperial crown was offered to the King of Prussia, and in France the Revolution placed the crown on the head of <a href="/wiki/Louis-Philippe_I" class="mw-redirect" title="Louis-Philippe I">Louis-Philippe I</a>--<a href="/wiki/User:Gazzster" title="User:Gazzster">Gazzster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gazzster" title="User talk:Gazzster">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T22:12:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T22:12:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gazzster-2008-11-14T22:12:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T21:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GoodDay-2008-11-14T22:46:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T22:12:00.000Z"></span>The republican in me, prefers this Template deleted (ha ha). Anyways, whatever decided here, I'll abide by it. <a href="/wiki/User:GoodDay" title="User:GoodDay">GoodDay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GoodDay" title="User talk:GoodDay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-GoodDay-2008-11-14T22:46:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T22:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 14 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GoodDay-2008-11-14T22:46:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T22:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GoodDay-2008-11-14T22:46:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-14T22:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-15T11:46:00.000Z-GoodDay-2008-11-14T22:46:00.000Z"></span>I do beg pardon. Louis-Philippe was 1830. He was deposed in 1848. Nevertheless, the 1848 Revolutions were not specifically anti-monarchist.--<a href="/wiki/User:Gazzster" title="User:Gazzster">Gazzster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gazzster" title="User talk:Gazzster">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Gazzster-2008-11-15T11:46:00.000Z-GoodDay-2008-11-14T22:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:46, 15 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-15T11:46:00.000Z-GoodDay-2008-11-14T22:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gazzster-2008-11-15T11:46:00.000Z-GoodDay-2008-11-14T22:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Time" data-mw-thread-id="h-Time-2008-11-15T20:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Time-2008-11-15T20:38:00.000Z"></span>Time<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Time-2008-11-15T20:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Monarchism&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Time"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-15T20:38:00.000Z-Time"></span>I think enough time has expired without the usual interested parties offering a view. I will go ahead and edit the template. But in the interests of maintaining a discussion I will only remove <a href="/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles" title="Treaty of Versailles">Treaty of Versailles</a> and <a href="/wiki/Revolutions_of_1848" title="Revolutions of 1848">Revolutions of 1848</a>, for the reasons above.--<a href="/wiki/User:Gazzster" title="User:Gazzster">Gazzster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gazzster" title="User talk:Gazzster">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Gazzster-2008-11-15T20:38:00.000Z-Time" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-15T20:38:00.000Z-Time"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gazzster-2008-11-15T20:38:00.000Z-Time"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cameron-2008-11-16T09:33:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-15T20:38:00.000Z"></span>I agree about Versaille but I'm not entirely convinced as to the 1848 revolutions, can I add <a href="/wiki/Revolutions_of_1848_in_the_German_states" class="mw-redirect" title="Revolutions of 1848 in the German states">Revolutions of 1848 in the German states</a> specifically? :) --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Cameron" title="User:Cameron">Cameron</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cameron" title="User talk:Cameron">*</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Cameron-2008-11-16T09:33:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-15T20:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:33, 16 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cameron-2008-11-16T09:33:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-15T20:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cameron-2008-11-16T09:33:00.000Z-Gazzster-2008-11-15T20:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-16T10:50:00.000Z-Cameron-2008-11-16T09:33:00.000Z"></span>The revolutions in Germany were not motivated by republicanism. The issues the revolutionaries wanted addressed were electoral reform, freedom of the press, alleviation of economic distress, etc. The people in Prussia and Saxony petitioned the King for redress. The Assembly of the German Confederation offered the imperial Crown to Prussia. The King of that country declined.--<a href="/wiki/User:Gazzster" title="User:Gazzster">Gazzster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gazzster" title="User talk:Gazzster">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Gazzster-2008-11-16T10:50:00.000Z-Cameron-2008-11-16T09:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:50, 16 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gazzster-2008-11-16T10:50:00.000Z-Cameron-2008-11-16T09:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gazzster-2008-11-16T10:50:00.000Z-Cameron-2008-11-16T09:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Image" data-mw-thread-id="h-Image-2012-01-14T19:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Image-2012-01-14T19:02:00.000Z"></span>Image<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Image-2012-01-14T19:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Monarchism&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Image"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T19:02:00.000Z-Image"></span><figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Crown_smpl.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Crown_smpl.svg/220px-Crown_smpl.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="119" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Crown_smpl.svg/330px-Crown_smpl.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Crown_smpl.svg/440px-Crown_smpl.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="276" data-file-height="149"/></a><figcaption>Option 1: Crown_smpl.svg</figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Heraldic_Royal_Crown_(Common).svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Heraldic_Royal_Crown_%28Common%29.svg/220px-Heraldic_Royal_Crown_%28Common%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="167" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Heraldic_Royal_Crown_%28Common%29.svg/330px-Heraldic_Royal_Crown_%28Common%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Heraldic_Royal_Crown_%28Common%29.svg/440px-Heraldic_Royal_Crown_%28Common%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="389"/></a><figcaption>Option 2: Heraldic Royal Crown (Common).svg</figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:CrownForShield.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/CrownForShield.svg/220px-CrownForShield.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="234" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/CrownForShield.svg/330px-CrownForShield.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/CrownForShield.svg/440px-CrownForShield.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="77" data-file-height="82"/></a><figcaption>Option 3: CrownForShield.svg</figcaption></figure> <p>The template has gone through a number of changes regarding the image used. From what I understand, only one of those changes was accompanied by an explanation (I don't count "it just looks better" as an explanation) and that was Lobsterthermidor </p> <dl><dd><i>Replaced image of Russian State Crown (File:Russian Imperial Crown.svg) with image more applic. to English WP</i>.</dd></dl> <p>There is a little bit of merit to this but I don't find it entirely convincing. In order to avoid perpetual changes of the "my country's crown looks better" variety, I propose a little bit of discussion. Is an image necessary? Is a crown the best choice? If so, what should be the basis of our choice? Familiarity for English-speakers? Neutrality? (By that I mean, image of a crown that's not actually a heraldic crown) Beauty? <a href="/wiki/User:Pichpich" title="User:Pichpich">Pichpich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pichpich" title="User talk:Pichpich">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T19:02:00.000Z-Image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 14 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T19:02:00.000Z-Image"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T19:02:00.000Z-Image"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DWC_LR-2012-01-14T20:31:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T19:02:00.000Z"></span>An image would be nice but obviously as there is the issue of various nations crowns having been used we should choose something non specific. The commons <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Crown">has some</a> crown images, <a href="/wiki/File:Crown_smpl.svg" title="File:Crown smpl.svg">File:Crown_smpl.svg</a> is a possibility as I don't think it is related to any country. - <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:DWC_LR&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:DWC LR (page does not exist)">dwc lr</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DWC_LR&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:DWC LR (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-DWC_LR-2012-01-14T20:31:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T19:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 14 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DWC_LR-2012-01-14T20:31:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T19:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DWC_LR-2012-01-14T20:31:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T19:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T21:42:00.000Z-DWC_LR-2012-01-14T20:31:00.000Z"></span>To be honest, I think that image is... well let's just say it's not the prettiest image out there. I've just browsed through a few categories on Commons and if I understand the file description correctly, <a href="/wiki/File:Heraldic_Royal_Crown_(Common).svg" title="File:Heraldic Royal Crown (Common).svg">File:Heraldic Royal Crown (Common).svg</a> is generic and might be exactly what we're looking for. I'm also open to the "no image" option. <a href="/wiki/User:Pichpich" title="User:Pichpich">Pichpich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pichpich" title="User talk:Pichpich">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T21:42:00.000Z-DWC_LR-2012-01-14T20:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 14 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T21:42:00.000Z-DWC_LR-2012-01-14T20:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T21:42:00.000Z-DWC_LR-2012-01-14T20:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T22:00:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T21:42:00.000Z"></span>What about this image (<a href="/wiki/File:CrownForShield.svg" title="File:CrownForShield.svg">File:CrownForShield.svg</a>)? It isnt biased towardsany country, and it would be nice to have. <a href="/wiki/User:Cristiano_Tom%C3%A1s" title="User:Cristiano Tomás">Cristiano Tomás</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cristiano_Tom%C3%A1s" title="User talk:Cristiano Tomás">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T22:00:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T21:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 14 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T22:00:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T21:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T22:00:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T21:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T22:36:00.000Z-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T22:00:00.000Z"></span>Contrary to the first two, this image has a colored background which I think is a slight disadvantage aesthetically. <a href="/wiki/User:Pichpich" title="User:Pichpich">Pichpich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pichpich" title="User talk:Pichpich">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T22:36:00.000Z-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T22:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 14 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T22:36:00.000Z-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T22:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T22:36:00.000Z-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T22:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T22:43:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T22:36:00.000Z"></span>O, woops. I just didnt think of that, sry. Then I support the first crown, the second one bares to similar of a resemblance to a real crown. <a href="/wiki/User:Cristiano_Tom%C3%A1s" title="User:Cristiano Tomás">Cristiano Tomás</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cristiano_Tom%C3%A1s" title="User talk:Cristiano Tomás">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T22:43:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T22:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 14 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T22:43:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T22:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T22:43:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T22:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T22:55:00.000Z-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T22:43:00.000Z"></span>But why would we avoid something that looks like a real crown? 13 hours ago, you thought that the best choice was the Royal Crown of Portugal! My problem with the second choice is that it's not exactly discreet. <a href="/wiki/User:Pichpich" title="User:Pichpich">Pichpich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pichpich" title="User talk:Pichpich">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T22:55:00.000Z-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T22:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:55, 14 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T22:55:00.000Z-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T22:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T22:55:00.000Z-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T22:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T23:18:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T22:55:00.000Z"></span>Yes, I did want the Portugues crown, but then I read the whole "our crown is better" and I find that to be right. We should be objective, a crown that doesnt represent any counrtries crown as the image. Dont you agree? <a href="/wiki/User:Cristiano_Tom%C3%A1s" title="User:Cristiano Tomás">Cristiano Tomás</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cristiano_Tom%C3%A1s" title="User talk:Cristiano Tomás">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T23:18:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T22:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 14 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T23:18:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T22:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-14T23:18:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T22:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T23:25:00.000Z-Image"></span> Of course I agree, that's the point I made to start this discussion. What I don't understand is why you think it's a disadvantage to pick an image of a crown that actually looks like a royal crown. It seems to me that this is exactly what we're looking for. The image I proposed certainly has some disadvantages but its credibility is its most obvious quality. <a href="/wiki/User:Pichpich" title="User:Pichpich">Pichpich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pichpich" title="User talk:Pichpich">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T23:25:00.000Z-Image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:25, 14 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T23:25:00.000Z-Image"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pichpich-2012-01-14T23:25:00.000Z-Image"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DWC_LR-2012-01-15T00:12:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T23:25:00.000Z"></span>I favour the second option, the Heraldic Royal Crown. I think its looks best out of the three options. - <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:DWC_LR&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:DWC LR (page does not exist)">dwc lr</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DWC_LR&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:DWC LR (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-DWC_LR-2012-01-15T00:12:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T23:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 15 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DWC_LR-2012-01-15T00:12:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T23:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DWC_LR-2012-01-15T00:12:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T23:25:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pichpich-2012-01-16T20:47:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T23:25:00.000Z"></span>I also favour option 2. I could live with option 1. The blue background on option 3 makes it at distant third in my order. I'm open to any other suggestion of course. <a href="/wiki/User:Pichpich" title="User:Pichpich">Pichpich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pichpich" title="User talk:Pichpich">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Pichpich-2012-01-16T20:47:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T23:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 16 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pichpich-2012-01-16T20:47:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T23:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pichpich-2012-01-16T20:47:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-14T23:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pichpich-2012-01-25T01:40:00.000Z-Image"></span>It seems like the discussion has died down and option 2 seems to be the choice with the most support. I'll include this one for now. <a href="/wiki/User:Pichpich" title="User:Pichpich">Pichpich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pichpich" title="User talk:Pichpich">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Pichpich-2012-01-25T01:40:00.000Z-Image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 25 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pichpich-2012-01-25T01:40:00.000Z-Image"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pichpich-2012-01-25T01:40:00.000Z-Image"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-25T01:44:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-25T01:40:00.000Z"></span>Having seen it with out an image for some time, I have come to like it by itself. Does anyone else think it should stay with out an image? Thank you, <a href="/wiki/User:Cristiano_Tom%C3%A1s" title="User:Cristiano Tomás">Cristiano Tomás</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cristiano_Tom%C3%A1s" title="User talk:Cristiano Tomás">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-25T01:44:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-25T01:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:44, 25 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-25T01:44:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-25T01:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cristiano_Tomás-2012-01-25T01:44:00.000Z-Pichpich-2012-01-25T01:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Legalism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Legalism-2015-10-06T16:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Legalism-2015-10-06T16:33:00.000Z"></span>Legalism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Legalism-2015-10-06T16:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Monarchism&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Legalism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FourLights-2015-10-06T16:33:00.000Z-Legalism"></span>Added Legalism for your consideration. Could alternatively be named Chinese, but I used Legalist as a more universal name, given it's importation by countries like Japan, and, given it's origin of things like written examination, other countries as well.<a href="/wiki/User:FourLights" title="User:FourLights">FourLights</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FourLights" title="User talk:FourLights">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-FourLights-2015-10-06T16:33:00.000Z-Legalism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 6 October 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FourLights-2015-10-06T16:33:00.000Z-Legalism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FourLights-2015-10-06T16:33:00.000Z-Legalism"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="History" data-mw-thread-id="h-History-2017-02-11T22:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-History-2017-02-11T22:21:00.000Z"></span>History<span data-mw-comment-end="h-History-2017-02-11T22:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Monarchism&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: History"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FourLights-2017-02-11T22:21:00.000Z-History"></span>It would probably make sense to have a section for history earlier than the magna carta....<a href="/wiki/User:FourLights" title="User:FourLights">FourLights</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FourLights" title="User talk:FourLights">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Monarchism#c-FourLights-2017-02-11T22:21:00.000Z-History" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 11 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FourLights-2017-02-11T22:21:00.000Z-History"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FourLights-2017-02-11T22:21:00.000Z-History"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Monarchism&oldid=1252878411">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Monarchism&oldid=1252878411</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_politics_articles" title="Category:Template-Class politics articles">Template-Class politics articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_politics_articles" title="Category:NA-importance politics articles">NA-importance politics articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Politics_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Politics articles">WikiProject Politics articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Conservatism_articles" title="Category:Template-Class Conservatism articles">Template-Class Conservatism articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Conservatism_articles" title="Category:NA-importance Conservatism articles">NA-importance Conservatism articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Conservatism_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Conservatism articles">WikiProject Conservatism articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 23 October 2024, at 09:31<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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