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numerically—information that’s invaluable for planning instruction.</p><div class="podcast"><div class="podcast__logo"><img src="/images/logos/podcast.jpg" srcSet="/images/logos/podcast@2x.jpg 2x, /images/logos/podcast@3x.jpg 3x" alt="The Heinemann Podcast" loading="lazy"/><span>The Heinemann Podcast</span></div><div class="podcast__buttons"><a href="https://blog.heinemann.com/podcast-marilyn-burns-and-lucy-calkins" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span>Lucy Calkins interviews Marilyn Burns about <cite>Listening to Learn</cite>.</span><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="40" height="40" fill="none" viewBox="0 0 40 40"><path fill="#00779E" d="M20 40c11.046 0 20-8.954 20-20S31.046 0 20 0 0 8.954 0 20s8.954 20 20 20z"></path><path fill="#FFFFFF" fill-rule="evenodd" d="M27.196 19.305c.464.347.464 1.043 0 1.391l-9.284 6.957c-.573.43-1.39.021-1.39-.695V13.043c0-.716.817-1.125 1.39-.696l9.284 6.958z" clip-rule="evenodd"></path></svg></a><a href="https://blog.heinemann.com/podcast-marilyn-burns-math-on-conducting-interviews-students" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span>Marilyn Burns talks about conducting K–5 math interviews.</span><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="40" height="40" fill="none" viewBox="0 0 40 40"><path fill="#00779E" d="M20 40c11.046 0 20-8.954 20-20S31.046 0 20 0 0 8.954 0 20s8.954 20 20 20z"></path><path fill="#FFFFFF" fill-rule="evenodd" d="M27.196 19.305c.464.347.464 1.043 0 1.391l-9.284 6.957c-.573.43-1.39.021-1.39-.695V13.043c0-.716.817-1.125 1.39-.696l9.284 6.958z" clip-rule="evenodd"></path></svg></a><a href="https://blog.heinemann.com/podcast-jennifer-serravallo-marilyn-burns-reading-and-math" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span>About reading and math with Marilyn Burns and Jen Serravallo.</span><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="40" height="40" fill="none" viewBox="0 0 40 40"><path fill="#00779E" d="M20 40c11.046 0 20-8.954 20-20S31.046 0 20 0 0 8.954 0 20s8.954 20 20 20z"></path><path fill="#FFFFFF" fill-rule="evenodd" d="M27.196 19.305c.464.347.464 1.043 0 1.391l-9.284 6.957c-.573.43-1.39.021-1.39-.695V13.043c0-.716.817-1.125 1.39-.696l9.284 6.958z" clip-rule="evenodd"></path></svg></a></div></div></div><div class="math__images"><div class="math__image"><img src="/images/home/wedoitinreading_lynne.jpg" srcSet="/images/home/wedoitinreading_lynne@2x.jpg 2x, /images/home/wedoitinreading_lynne@3x.jpg 3x" alt="Lynne Zolli working with a student" loading="lazy" class="will-fadeinup"/></div><div class="math__image"><img src="/images/home/wedoitinreading_marilyn.jpg" srcSet="/images/home/wedoitinreading_marilyn@2x.jpg 2x, /images/home/wedoitinreading_marilyn@3x.jpg 3x" alt="Marilyn Burns working with a student" loading="lazy" class="will-fadeinup"/></div></div></div></section><section class="howitworks will-fadeinup"><div class="howitworks__content"><h2><span>How <cite>Listening to Learn</cite></span> Works</h2><div class="cards-group will-fadeinup"><div class="cards-group__scroller"><div class="spacer"></div><div class="card"><h3>Ask.</h3><p>In <cite>Listening to Learn</cite> interviews, we ask students to solve problems mentally without paper and pencil. For every question, whether a student answers correctly or incorrectly, we follow up to find out how they reasoned.</p></div><div class="card"><h3>Listen.</h3><p>We listen carefully as students explain their reasoning. Then we select the explanation in the <cite>Listening to Learn</cite> digital tool that most closely matches how the student reasoned.</p></div><div class="card"><h3>Learn.</h3><p><cite>Listening to Learn</cite> provides two types of reports―individual strategy reports and class reports. The information in both reports is essential for planning instruction that builds on what students know.</p></div><div class="spacer"></div></div><div class="cards-group__buttons"><button aria-label="Scroll to Ask."><div class="dot active"></div></button><button aria-label="Scroll to Listen."><div class="dot "></div></button><button aria-label="Scroll to Learn."><div class="dot "></div></button></div></div><a class="btn btn--round btn--blue" href="/overview.html">Learn More</a></div></section><section class="interviewsinaction"><div class="interviewsinaction__content will-fadeinup"><h2>Interviews in Action</h2><div class="video-container" data-video="7ouxy6ubd6" style="background-image:url(/images/placeholders/interviews-video.jpg)"><div class="wistia_responsive_padding" style="padding:56.25% 0 0 0;position:relative"><div class="wistia_responsive_wrapper" style="height:100%;left:0;position:absolute;top:0;width:100%"><div class="wistia_embed wistia_async_7ouxy6ubd6 controlsVisibleOnLoad=false videoFoam=true playerColor=#00779e " style="height:100%;width:100%"> </div></div></div></div></div></section><section class="professionallearning"><div class="professionallearning__content"><div class="professionallearning__text will-fadeinup"><div class="professionallearning__heading"><h2>Interactive Support for Professional Learning</h2><span><cite>Listening to Learn</cite> Labs are interactive, on-demand professional learning opportunities that provide support for giving interviews and learning from them. </span></div><h3 class="blue">Reasoning Labs</h3><p>Practice listening to students explain their reasoning for one interview question and matching the students' reasoning to the explanations provided.</p><h3 class="eggplant">Strategy Labs</h3><p>Learn about the strategies students need to reason numerically by focusing on one strategy and watching examples of students who do and do not use it.</p><h3 class="teal">Interview Labs</h3><p>Get specific answers from Marilyn and Lynne to questions raised by teachers conducting <cite>Listening to Learn</cite> interviews.</p></div><div class="professionallearning__images"><div class="professionallearning__image"><img src="/images/home/reasoning-lab.jpg" srcSet="/images/home/reasoning-lab@2x.jpg 2x, /images/home/reasoning-lab@3x.jpg 3x" alt="Screenshot of a Reasoning Lab" loading="lazy" class="will-fadeinup"/></div><div class="professionallearning__image"><img src="/images/home/marilynlynneworking.jpg" srcSet="/images/home/marilynlynneworking@2x.jpg 2x, /images/home/marilynlynneworking@3x.jpg 3x" alt="Marilyn Burns and Lynne Zolli working" loading="lazy" class="will-fadeinup"/></div></div></div><a class="professionallearning__link" href="https://samplers.heinemann.com/ltl-labs-starter-kit"><img src="/images/home/labs-index-page.jpg" srcSet="/images/home/labs-index-page@2x.jpg 2x, /images/home/labs-index-page@3x.jpg 3x" alt="Screenshot of Labs index page"/><div class="professionallearning__link-text"><span><cite>Listening to Learn</cite> Labs Starter Kit</span><div><p>Access eight interactive Reasoning, Strategy, and Interview Labs to experience <cite>Listening to Learn</cite> professional learning.</p></div></div><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="38" height="24" fill="none" viewBox="0 0 38 24"><path fill="#00779E" d="M2 10.5c-.828 0-1.5.672-1.5 1.5s.672 1.5 1.5 1.5v-3zm35.06 2.56c.586-.585.586-1.535 0-2.12l-9.545-9.547c-.586-.585-1.536-.585-2.122 0-.585.586-.585 1.536 0 2.122L33.88 12l-8.486 8.485c-.585.586-.585 1.536 0 2.122.586.585 1.536.585 2.122 0l9.546-9.546zM2 13.5h34v-3H2v3z"></path></svg></a></section><section class="testimonials"><div class="testimonials__content will-fadeinup"><h2>What Teachers Are Saying</h2><div class="cards-group"><div><div class="card"><q>I LOVED this tool! It was INCREDIBLY helpful at driving instruction!</q><div class="card__divider"></div><div class="card__source"><div class="card__image"><img src="/images/testimonials/afton.jpg" srcSet="/images/testimonials/afton@2x.jpg 2x, /images/testimonials/afton@3x.jpg 3x" alt="Afton Koonce" loading="lazy"/></div><div class="card__author"><span class="uppercase">Afton Koonce</span><span>Kindergarten teacher, Caprock Elementary</span></div></div></div><div class="card"><q>This is the mathematical partner to a reading comprehension assessment. By allowing students to sit with a question and explain their thinking you get insight into the ways they manipulate numbers, reason through problems and navigate mathematics mentally. It's the thinking that is not always able to be captured on paper.</q><div class="card__divider"></div><div class="card__source"><div class="card__image"><img src="/images/testimonials/kara.jpg" srcSet="/images/testimonials/kara@2x.jpg 2x, /images/testimonials/kara@3x.jpg 3x" alt="Kara Pranikoff" loading="lazy"/></div><div class="card__author"><span class="uppercase">Kara Pranikoff</span><span>2nd grade teacher, P.S. 234 Independence School</span></div></div></div></div><div><div class="card"><q>In addition to learning about how students think about math, I also learned a lot about how students think about themselves as mathematicians. I walked away feeling like I had a sense for whether students need to work on their math mindset, number sense, or place value.</q><div class="card__divider"></div><div class="card__source"><div class="card__image"><img src="/images/testimonials/rebecca.jpg" srcSet="/images/testimonials/rebecca@2x.jpg 2x, /images/testimonials/rebecca@3x.jpg 3x" alt="Rebecca Sawady" loading="lazy"/></div><div class="card__author"><span class="uppercase">Rebecca Sawady</span><span>4th grade teacher, Amigos School</span></div></div></div><div class="card"><q>I do believe all teachers should do math interviews. I don't think there's anything else out there that offers the opportunity for you to really listen and learn from your students in this way.</q><div class="card__divider"></div><div class="card__source"><div class="card__image"><img src="/images/testimonials/rashida.jpg" srcSet="/images/testimonials/rashida@2x.jpg 2x, /images/testimonials/rashida@3x.jpg 3x" alt="Rashida Carter" loading="lazy"/></div><div class="card__author"><span class="uppercase">Rashida Carter</span><span>5th grade teacher, John Muir Elementary School</span></div></div></div></div><div><div class="card"><q>Using the interviews remotely has been amazing. It's one of the few things about teaching remotely that's been great. Just getting a chance to work with kids and get to know them one-on-one in that sort of a way has been really awesome.</q><div class="card__divider"></div><div class="card__source"><div class="card__image"><img src="/images/testimonials/joe.jpg" srcSet="/images/testimonials/joe@2x.jpg 2x, /images/testimonials/joe@3x.jpg 3x" alt="Joe Mannarino" loading="lazy"/></div><div class="card__author"><span class="uppercase">Joe Mannarino</span><span>5th grade teacher, John Muir Elementary School</span></div></div></div><div class="card"><q>If you want amazing data to drive your instruction, then you need to conduct <cite>Listening to Learn</cite> interviews!!</q><div class="card__divider"></div><div class="card__source"><div class="card__image"><img src="/images/testimonials/emily.jpg" srcSet="/images/testimonials/emily@2x.jpg 2x, /images/testimonials/emily@3x.jpg 3x" alt="Emily LeMaire" loading="lazy"/></div><div class="card__author"><span class="uppercase">Emily LeMaire</span><span>1st grade teacher, North Riverside Elementary</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></section><section class="admins"><div class="admins__content will-fadeinup"><div class="admins__top"><div class="admins__text"><h2>For Administrators</h2><p>Data from <cite>Listening to Learn</cite> reports are useful for:</p><ul><li><span>Conferencing with teachers</span></li><li><span>Strengthening collaboration within and across grade levels</span></li><li><span>Supporting school-wide planning</span></li></ul></div><div class="admins__video"><img src="/images/home/marilyngroup.jpg" srcSet="/images/home/marilyngroup@2x.jpg 2x, /images/home/marilyngroup@3x.jpg 3x" alt="Marilyn Burns working with a group of administrators" loading="lazy"/><div class="video__item"><div class="video-container" data-video="jcftraq0jx" style="background-image:url(/images/placeholders/interviews-video.jpg)"><div class="wistia_responsive_padding" style="padding:56.25% 0 0 0;position:relative"><div class="wistia_responsive_wrapper" 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