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googletag.defineSlot( "21859463020/denofgeek/desktop", [[300,250], [300,600], [160,600]], "div-gpt-ad-21859463020-rail_inline_3").defineSizeMapping( sizeMappingRail ).setTargeting( "pos",["railinline"] ).addService( googletag.pubads() );googletag.pubads().setTargeting('pageType',['article']).setTargeting('postId',['964244']).setTargeting('live',['yes']).setTargeting('category',["Movies"]).setTargeting('topic',["Action","Gladiator","Ridley Scott","Russell Crowe"]).setTargeting('tags',['']).setTargeting('sponsor',['']) gptLoaded = true; initAdServer(); googletag.enableServices(); // This failsafe is here so we proceed with GPT execution if OpenWrap does not return for some reason. var FAILSAFE_TIMEOUT = 2000; setTimeout( function() { if ( ! pwtFinished ) { console.error( 'OpenWrap Failsafe Invoked' ); } pwtFinished = true; APSBidsReceived = true; initAdServer(); }, FAILSAFE_TIMEOUT ); googletag.pubads().addEventListener( 'slotRenderEnded', function( event ) { var size = event.size; if ( size === null ) { return; 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class="grid has-3-columns max-w-xl"> <div class="flow-spacing column-span-2"> <p>When audiences return to Rome’s Colosseum for Ridley Scott’s <em><a href="https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/gladiator-2-review/">Gladiator II</a></em> they will surely be entertained by the spectacle of warriors fighting for their lives—and for the fickle attention spans of Roman emperors and an angry public. It’s WWE 200 A.D.. Much like its Oscar-winning predecessor <em><a href="https://www.denofgeek.com/gladiator/">Gladiator</a></em>, <em>Gladiator II</em> is a story of an unlikely hero from humble beginnings who wants to rain bloody vengeance upon an empire’s elite. In that regard, Paul Mescal’s Lucius is not so different from Maximus, the titular gladiator played by <a href="https://www.denofgeek.com/russell-crowe/">Russell Crowe</a>. But what many fans might not know is that Maximus was almost <em>Gladiator II</em>’s main character…. despite his death at the end of the first movie. </p> <p>There were indeed several attempts to get a sequel to the 2000 blockbuster made over the years, but one script gained special notoriety for its religious themes, which were characteristic of Scott’s other output post-<em>Gladiator</em>. But it took that subject matter to a heightened and supernatural extreme. Yes, there is a completed <em>Gladiator II </em>script that continued Maximus’ quest for revenge beyond his own death, beyond ancient Rome, and against the most unlikely adversary of all… Jesus Christ. </p> <div class="ad-dog__cnx-container"><script id="0270c398a82f44f49c23c16122516796"> cnx.cmd.push(function() { cnx({ playerId: "106e33c0-3911-473c-b599-b1426db57530", playlistId: "08d7c1e3-28cd-0b68-d362-fc0fd67b7829" }).render("0270c398a82f44f49c23c16122516796"); }); </script></div> <p>And it all began with a phone call between Russell Crowe and fellow Aussie and friend, rock singer Nick Cave. </p> <h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-nick-cave-goes-to-rome"><strong>Nick Cave Goes to Rome</strong></h2> <p>Cave is most known for fronting Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, whose biggest hit song is “Red Right Hand,” a dark, sexy tune familiar to anyone who loves the Scream franchise, <em>The X-Files</em>, or <em>Peaky Blinders</em>. Cave’s songs were often full of Old Testament fire and brimstone, and his script for <em>The Proposition, a </em>2005 gory neo-Western<em> </em>starring Guy Pearce and John Hurt as bounty hunters, was no different. </p> </div> <div class="entry__sidebar entry__sidebar--hidden-mobile column-span-1 "> <div class="ad-dog has-100-background-color mx-auto max-w-xl mt-3 ad ad-container rail_top ad-dog--sidebar ad-dog--sticky"><p class="dog-ad__label font-sans font-extrabold has-xs-font-size has-400-color has-text-align-center uppercase mb-1">Ad</p>  <div class="ad-display" id="div-gpt-ad-21859463020-rail_top"> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="ad-dog has-100-background-color mx-auto max-w-xl mt-3 ad ad-container leaderboard_incontent ad-dog--full"><p class="dog-ad__label font-sans font-extrabold has-xs-font-size has-400-color has-text-align-center uppercase mb-1">Ad – content continues below</p>  <div class="ad-display" id="div-gpt-ad-21859463020-leaderboard_incontent_1"> </div> </div> <div class="grid has-3-columns max-w-xl"> <div class="flow-spacing column-span-2"> <p>Around that same time, Scott was working on a <em>Gladiator</em> sequel with original screenwriter John Logan that had nothing to do with Maximus or even gladiators. Crowe, however, was eager to present the director with a sequel he could still star in. The Academy Award-winning actor was so taken with Cave’s writing he enlisted the songwriter to “sort out” the little matter of Maximus’ death and come up with a new fight for the resurrected Roman general.  </p> <h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-maximus-is-the-christ-killer"><strong>Maximus Is… the Christ-Killer</strong></h2> <p><em>Christ-Killer</em>, the 2001 screenplay’s working title, began with Maximus waking up in a dark purgatory on the shores of a black ocean where the dying Roman gods fight one another. It is these petty deities who also tell Maximus that he must kill Hephaestos. While in the Roman-Greco tradition Hephaestos is the God of Fire and Blacksmithing, he has lately been spreading the troublesome gospel of a new monotheistic Christian God. So Hephaestos (and Christianity) must die if Maximus is to be reunited with his wife in the wheatfields of Elysium, where the sun always shines and Lisa Gerrard forever warbles. If that sounds bizarre already, wait until you and Maximus learn that his wife was able to plead with the gods to restore their seven-year-old son back to life! </p> <p>This all sets up Maximus returning to Ancient Rome 20 years after his death in the arena. There he reunites with his best friend Juba (Djimon Hounsou would ideally reprise his role) and his son Marius, now a grown man and Christian convert, at a time when Rome was executing followers of the new religion. Maximus gets embroiled in the war between the persecuted Christians and Roman authorities and faces off against Lucius, now a corrupt leader like his Uncle Commodus (Joaquin Phoenix). Lucius is especially determined to stamp out Christianity after his mother Lucilla (Connie Nielsen) was stoned to death for her new religious fervor. </p> <p>While Maximus, disappointingly, never actually crosses swords with Jesus, he does double-cross the Greco-Roman gods by training Marius and the Christians as soldiers to rebel against the Roman Empire, and thus the old gods. Because Maximus’ choice allows the teaching of Jesus to spread—and especially because Maximus trained the Christians to use violence instead of peaceful resistance—Maximus is forbidden to return to Elysium and reunite with his wife. Instead he is “gifted” immortal life as an eternal warrior that will forever doom humanity by encouraging warfare.</p> <p>This concept is visualized literally with a frenetic montage of Maximus leading an army not only in Ancient Rome, but Persia during the Crusades, among tanks in World War I, and into the jungles of Vietnam. The final scene leaves Maximus sitting at a head of a meeting table in the Pentagon, hunched over a laptop and planning a present-day war.  </p> <h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-why-it-didn-t-get-made"><strong>Why It Didn’t Get Made</strong></h2> <p>“Don’t like it, mate,” Crowe reportedly told Cave, who harbors no regrets. </p> </div> <div class="entry__sidebar entry__sidebar--hidden-mobile column-span-1 "> <div class="ad-dog has-100-background-color mx-auto max-w-xl mt-3 ad ad-container rail_inline ad-dog--sidebar ad-dog--sticky"><p class="dog-ad__label font-sans font-extrabold has-xs-font-size has-400-color has-text-align-center uppercase mb-1">Ad</p>  <div class="ad-display" id="div-gpt-ad-21859463020-rail_inline_1"> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="ad-dog has-100-background-color mx-auto max-w-xl mt-3 ad ad-container leaderboard_incontent ad-dog--full"><p class="dog-ad__label font-sans font-extrabold has-xs-font-size has-400-color has-text-align-center uppercase mb-1">Ad – content continues below</p>  <div class="ad-display" id="div-gpt-ad-21859463020-leaderboard_incontent_2"> </div> </div> <div class="grid has-3-columns max-w-xl"> <div class="flow-spacing column-span-2"> <p>Speaking with <a href="https://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/tag/Nick+Cave">Marc Maron’s <em>WTF podcas</em>t</a>, Cave called the rejected story “a stone cold masterpiece,” made with wild creative abandon because he was so certain that the screenplay would never actually get made. Cave continued to poke fun at his <em>Gladiator</em> experience, culminating in the outlandish music video for “<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgm2xLjMxjk&ab_channel=AfricanBoogle">Heathen Child</a>” from his side project Grinderman, which features Cave and company dressed as gladiators, dancing over explosions.</p> <aside class="newsletter has-white-color font-sans"> <div class="newsletter__form grid has-2-columns mx-auto max-w-lg"> <div class="newsletter__intro mb-0"> <h2 class="newsletter__label">Join our mailing list</h2> <p class="newsletter__desc has-sm-font-size">Get the best of Den of Geek delivered right to your inbox!</p> </div> <div class="newsletter__content flex mb-0"> <iframe class="js-lazy" data-src="https://embeds.beehiiv.com/612c31dd-82b3-4ac6-ac8c-5168b6c2235d?slim=true" height="52" frameborder="0"></iframe> </div> </div> </aside> <p>As utterly anti-commercial as Cave’s script was, one could see how it would fit alongside Scott’s work in his post-<em>Gladiator</em> period, which seemed increasingly concerned with confronting faith. The director has described himself as an atheist, but his post-<em>Gladiator </em>output seems to be less against spirituality than against corrupt organized religion as films like <em><a href="https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/the-kingdom-of-heaven-directors-cut-had-the-most-dramatic-improvement-ever/">Kingdom of Heaven</a></em>, <em><a href="https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/robin-hood-movies-ranked/">Robin Hood</a></em>, and <em><a href="https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/exodus-gods-and-kings-review-christian-bale-moses-ridley-scott/">Exodus: Gods and Kings</a></em> suggest. <em><a href="https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/prometheus-and-alien-ridley-scott-s-feeling-for-flutes/">Prometheus</a></em> and <em><a href="https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien-covenant-review/">Alien: Covenant</a></em> similarly place spiritual faith as equal to scientific knowledge, perhaps even marking it as more important. Those recent Alien movies also depict the divine originating away from human-adjacent creatures, whether it’s off-world Engineers or the incalculable intelligence of a sentient android. </p> <p>Scott himself recently called the <em>Christ-Killer </em>script “<a href="https://deadline.com/2024/11/gladiator-2-ridley-scott-interview-1236175248/">bloody silly</a>,” but <em>Gladiator II</em> does share some distant DNA with it. Cave’s script also revisited the Roman Colosseum with a naval battle in the flooded arena, where crocodiles replaced the final movie’s sharks. Scott also gives a more overt nod to one Cave idea he genuinely enjoyed: the moonlit shores of the river Styx where Lucius dreams of his dead wife’s soul. This provides a new, darker vision of the afterlife. </p> <div class="read-more has-layout-full"> <div class="read-more__wrapper "> <h2 class="title-boxed title-boxed--smaller uppercase has-white-color has-text-align-center mb-0 relative z-0"> <span class="title-boxed__wrapper inline-block has-dark-background-color relative">Read more</span> </h2> <div class="read-more__content grid has-2-columns has-layout-full has-200-background-color"> <article aria-label="Why Gladiator Continues to Echo Through Eternity" class="card-dog grid has-always-2-columns has-sm-gap"> <figure class="card-dog__figure mb-0"> <a class="card-dog__figure-link block" href="https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/gladiator-continues-to-echo-through-eternity/" aria-hidden="true" tabindex="-1"> <img decoding="async" width="400" height="400" src="https://www.denofgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Russell-Crowe-as-Maximus-in-Gladiator-20th-Anniversary.jpg?resize=400%2C400" class="skip-lazy" alt="" /> </a> </figure> <div 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