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href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/us-grenade-may-have-killed-hostage-cameron-admits-2103969.html" target="_blank" class="external">full report on Norgrove’s death</a> from <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://www.independent.co.uk/" target="_blank" class="external">The Independent</a>  instead of just the first three paragraphs that I’ve given below.  I didn’t believe the original storyline from the moment I read it. From the original reports I suspected that the US special forces troops had gone in using the wrong weapons, the wrong tactics , and above all the wrong attitude. That, as usual, they’d indulged themselves in the excessive use of violence and that the very person they were supposed to be rescuing was dead as a result. Why? The giveaway was the claim that she’d been killed by one of her captors who was wearing a suicide belt.</p> <p>I find that claim very difficult to believe. Suicide belts are put on just before their wearer goes to attack his target by blowing himself up in his target’s immediate vicinity. In this instance we were supposed to believe that somebody slept in a suicide belt and detonated it as the rescue took place. </p> <p>What in God’s name were the Americans thinking of – chucking fragmentation grenades around in a confined space holding the hostage they were supposed to be rescuing? Then they lied about it. This is the sort of thing that loses you allies fast, and the British government is already under strong political pressure to get to hell out of Afghanistan.</p> <p>There is a term of art in American military parlance, "<em><strong>Clusterfuck</strong></em>" it means a confused and self-destructive military operation.</p> <p style="padding-bottom: 1em; border-bottom: black 1px solid">Du</p> <blockquote><p>The American and British governments’ account of the death of Linda Norgrove in Afghanistan fell apart yesterday, with the revelation that she may have been killed by the US forces sent to free her. </p> <p>David Cameron was forced to retract his announcement that the 36-year-old aid worker had been murdered by one of her captors. Instead, the Prime Minister said, a grenade thrown by an American soldier may have killed her. </p> <p>None of the US special forces taking part initially reported throwing fragmentation grenades near Ms Norgrove, and it only came to light after video footage from head cameras worn by members of the squad was examined.</p> </blockquote> <p><strong>Read in full:</strong> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/us-grenade-may-have-killed-hostage-cameron-admits-2103969.html" class="external" target="_blank">US grenade may have killed hostage, Cameron admits – Asia, World – The Independent</a></p> <p><strong>Related articles from The Independent :</strong></p> <ul> <li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/how-the-official-story-of-linda-norgroves-death-unravelled-2103970.html" class="external" target="_blank">How the official story of Linda Norgrove’s death unravelled</a> </li> <li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-articles/leading-article-the-weight-of-mendacity-2104022.html" class="external" target="_blank">Leading article: The weight of mendacity</a> </li> </ul> <p><strong>Coverage from The Guardian:</strong></p> <ul> <li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/12/barack-obama-condolences-linda-norgrove" class="external" target="_blank">Obama vows to find Norgrove truth </a> </p> <p>President offers condolences over death of British aid worker and promises to get to the bottom of failed rescue </li> <li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/11/linda-norgrove-afghanistan" class="external" target="_blank">British aid worker may have been killed by US</a> </li> <li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/11/linda-norgrove-rescue-operation" class="external" target="_blank">Necessity of rescue operation put into doubt</a> </li> <li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/oct/11/linda-norgrove-screts-and-lives" class="external" target="_blank">Richard Norton-Taylor: Secrets and lives</a> </li> </ul> <p class="tags"><small>Tags: <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/tag/afghanistan/" rel="tag">Afghanistan</a>, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/tag/america/" rel="tag">America</a>, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/tag/british-government/" rel="tag">british government</a>, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/tag/clusterfuck/" rel="tag">Clusterfuck</a>, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/tag/fragmentation-grenades/" rel="tag">fragmentation grenades</a>, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/tag/guardian-the/" rel="tag">Guardian The</a>, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/tag/hostage/" rel="tag">hostage</a>, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/tag/hostages/" rel="tag">Hostages</a>, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/tag/independent-the-uk/" rel="tag">Independent -The (UK)</a>, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/tag/kidnappings/" rel="tag">Kidnappings</a>, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/tag/linda-norgrove/" rel="tag">Linda Norgrove</a>, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/tag/linda-norgrove-killing-of/" rel="tag">Linda Norgrove - 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على تطبيقه لانهم دفعوا الفاتورة, الحصة التموينية بين الوزارة والوكيل والناقل, خطيب جمعة كربلاء يدعو للاسراع بتشكيل الحكومة وتقريب وجهات النظر بين السياسيين, ممثل السيستاني بكربلاء يحذر من هجرة الكفاءات العراقية, خطيب جمعة بالكوت يطالب النواب الايفاء بالوعود التي قطعوها لناخبيهم, خطيب جمعة الفلوجة يدعو لتشكيل حكومة تحارب الطائفية والفساد, السبت, 9 أكتوبر 2010">9</a></td><td><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/2010/10/10/" title="Supreme Court dismisses charges against pair charged with killing British invader troops., تبرئة عراقيين من تهمة الضلوع بقتل جنود بريطانيين, الأحد, 10 أكتوبر 2010">10</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/2010/10/11/" title="الإثنين, 11 أكتوبر 2010">11</a></td><td><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/2010/10/12/" title="MSF: Mental healthcare a core part of MSF’s emergency aid, A Confused And Self-Destructive Military 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نصف مليون طفل خارج اسوار المدارس, التدرن الغائب سابقا يحضر الان بقوة في العراق, السبت, 16 أكتوبر 2010">16</a></td><td><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/2010/10/17/" title="How Iran brokered a secret deal to put its ally in power in Iraq, الأحد, 17 أكتوبر 2010">17</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/2010/10/18/" title="الإثنين, 18 أكتوبر 2010">18</a></td><td><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/2010/10/19/" title="Voting With Their Feet, عصابة مسلحة تخطف أحد الاطفال من منطقة البياع جنوب بغداد, موظفون أمميون يغادرون العراق بسبب «تهديدات أمنية», نجاة ممثل الأمين العام للأمم المتحدة في العراق من تفجير استهدف موكبه, الثلاثاء, 19 أكتوبر 2010">19</a></td><td><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/2010/10/20/" title="What the U.S. Undid for Women in Iraq | A Q&A with Thoraya Obaid | IPS, برهم صالح: تنفيذ 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اعدام عزيز .. جعفر الصدر لم نتقدم بشكوى والانتقام المقبول هو بناء العراق بروح من التسامح والمسؤولية, التيار الصدري ومعلومات موقع ويكيليكس, العراقية تدعو البرلمان الى عقد جلسة استثنائية للتحقيق مع الجهات المتهمة بارتكاب جرائم بحق العراقيين وفقاً لوثائق ويكيليكس, وثائق «ويكيليكس» تثير ذاكرة المعتقلين وذوي ضحايا العنف في العراق, الخميس, 28 أكتوبر 2010">28</a></td><td><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/2010/10/29/" title="الجمعة, 29 أكتوبر 2010">29</a></td><td>30</td><td><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101227050944/http://gorillasguides.com/2010/10/31/" title="Security forces besiege church where gunmen keep hostages : Aswat Al Iraq, السبت, 30 أكتوبر 2010">31</a></td> </tr> </tbody> </table></div></div><div class="side-widget"><h2>Archives</h2> <select name="archive-dropdown" onchange="document.location.href=this.options[this.selectedIndex].value;"> <option value="">Select Month</option> <option value="http://gorillasguides.com/2010/12/"> 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