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class="vector-toc-numb">1.9</span> <span>Statement by Chess</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Chess-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Dan_Murphy" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Dan_Murphy"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.10</span> <span>Statement by Dan Murphy</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Dan_Murphy-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Liz" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Liz"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.11</span> <span>Statement by Liz</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Liz-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_David_A" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_David_A"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.12</span> <span>Statement by David A</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_David_A-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Zero0000" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Zero0000"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.13</span> <span>Statement by Zero0000</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Zero0000-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Simonm223" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Simonm223"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.14</span> <span>Statement by Simonm223</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Simonm223-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Super_Goku_V" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Super_Goku_V"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.15</span> <span>Statement by Super Goku V</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Super_Goku_V-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Parabolist" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Parabolist"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.16</span> <span>Statement by Parabolist</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Parabolist-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Nableezy" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Nableezy"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.17</span> <span>Statement by Nableezy</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Nableezy-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Ca" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Ca"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.18</span> <span>Statement by Ca</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Ca-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Girth_Summit" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Girth_Summit"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.19</span> <span>Statement by Girth Summit</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Girth_Summit-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Jéské_Couriano" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Jéské_Couriano"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.20</span> <span>Statement by Jéské Couriano</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Jéské_Couriano-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li 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id="toc-Statement_by_LilianaUwU-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_berchanhimez" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_berchanhimez"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.27</span> <span>Statement by berchanhimez</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_berchanhimez-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Ivanvector" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Ivanvector"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.28</span> <span>Statement by Ivanvector</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Ivanvector-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Carrite" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Carrite"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.29</span> 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class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:A/R/C&redirect=no">WP:A/R/C</a></span></li></ul></div></div> <p><span style="font-size:125%;"><b>About this page</b></span> </p><p>Use this page to request the committee open an arbitration case. To be accepted, an arbitration request needs <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Procedures#Opening_of_proceedings" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures">4 net</a> votes to "accept" (or a <a href="/wiki/Majority" title="Majority">majority</a>). </p><p><b>Arbitration is a <i>last resort</i>.</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DR">WP:DR</a> lists the other, escalating processes that should be used before arbitration. The committee will decline premature requests. </p><p>Requests may be referred to as "case requests" or "RFARs"; once opened, they become "cases". Before requesting arbitration, read the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Party_Guide/Case_request" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Party Guide/Case request">arbitration guide to case requests</a></b>. Then click the button below. Complete the instructions quickly; requests incomplete for over an hour may be removed. Consider preparing the request in your userspace. </p><p>To request enforcement of an existing arbitration ruling, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement</a>. To clarify or change an existing arbitration ruling, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment</a>. </p> <br/><div style="text-align: center;"> <dl><dd><span class="plainlinks clickbutton"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&action=edit&section=new&preload=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/preload&nosummary=yes&editintro=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Header/Warning"><span class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-progressive">File an arbitration request</span></a></span></dd></dl> </div> <p><br/> </p><p><span style="font-size:125%;"><b>Guidance on participation and word limits</b></span> </p><p>Unlike many venues on Wikipedia, ArbCom imposes word limits. Please observe the below notes on complying with word limits. </p> <ul><li><b>Motivation.</b> Word limits are imposed to promote clarity and focus on the issues at hand and to ensure that arbitrators are able to fully take in submissions. Arbitrators must read a large volume of information across many matters in the course of their service on the Committee, so submissions that exceed word limits may be disregarded. For the sake of fairness and to discourage gamesmanship (i.e., to disincentivize "asking forgiveness rather than permission"), word limits are actively enforced.</li> <li><b>In general.</b> Most submissions to the Arbitration Committee (including statements in arbitration case requests and ARCAs and evidence submissions in arbitration cases) are limited to 500 words, plus 50 diffs. <b>During the evidence phase of an accepted case</b>, named parties are granted an automatic extension to 1000 words plus 100 diffs.</li> <li><b>Sectioned discussion.</b> To facilitate review by arbitrators, you should edit only in your own section. Address your submission to arbitrators, not to other participants. If you wish to rebut, clarify, or otherwise refer to another submission for the benefit of arbitrators, you may do so within your own section. (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_arbitration#Responding_to_requests" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Guide to arbitration">More information</a>.)</li> <li><b>Requesting an extension.</b> You may request a word limit extension in your submission itself (using the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:@ArbComClerks" title="Template:@ArbComClerks">@ArbComClerks</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template) or by emailing <span class="nowrap">clerks-l<span class="mw-no-invert"><span class="skin-invert" typeof="mw:File"><span title="@"><img alt="@" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/At_sign.svg/15px-At_sign.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/At_sign.svg/23px-At_sign.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/At_sign.svg/30px-At_sign.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="145" data-file-height="145"/></span></span></span>lists.wikimedia.org</span>. In your request, you should briefly (in 1-2 sentences) include (a) why you need additional words and (b) a broad outline of what you hope to discuss in your extended submission. The Committee endeavors to act upon extension requests promptly and aims to offer flexibility where warranted. <ul><li>Members of the Committee may also grant extensions when they ask direct questions to facilitate answers to those questions.</li></ul></li> <li><b>Refactoring statements.</b> You should write carefully and concisely from the start. It is impermissible to rewrite a statement to shorten it after a significant amount of time has passed or after anyone has responded to it (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Editing_own_comments" title="Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines">Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines § Editing own comments</a>), so it is often advisable to submit a brief initial statement to leave room to respond to other users if the need arises.</li> <li><b>Sign submissions.</b> In order for arbitrators and other participants to understand the order of submissions, sign your submission and each addition (using <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">~~~~</code>).</li> <li><b>Word limit violations.</b> Submissions that exceed the word limit will generally be "hatted" (collapsed), and arbitrators may opt not to consider them.</li> <li><b>Counting words.</b> Words are counted on the <i>rendered text</i> (not wikitext) of the statement (i.e., the number of words that you would see by copy-pasting the page section containing your statement into a text editor or <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.countofwords.com/">word count tool</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:GoldenRing/wordcount.js" title="User:GoldenRing/wordcount.js">This internal gadget</a> may also be helpful.</li> <li><b>Sanctions.</b> Please note that members and clerks of the Committee may impose appropriate sanctions when necessary to promote the effective functioning of the arbitration process.</li></ul> <p><span style="font-size:125%;"><b>General guidance</b></span> </p> <ul><li><b>This page is for statements, not discussion.</b></li> <li>Arbitrators or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Clerks" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Clerks">clerks</a> may refactor or delete statements, e.g. off-topic or unproductive remarks, without warning.</li> <li>Banned users may request arbitration via the <a href="/wiki/User:Arbitration_Committee" title="User:Arbitration Committee">committee contact page</a>; don't try to edit this page.</li> <li>Under no circumstances should you remove requests from this page, or open a case (even for accepted requests), unless you are an arbitrator or clerk.</li> <li>After a request is filed, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee#Members" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee">the arbitrators</a> will vote on accepting or declining the case. The <b><0/0/0></b> tally counts the arbitrators voting <b>accept/decline/<a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/recuse" class="extiw" title="wikt:recuse">recuse</a></b>.</li> <li>Declined case requests are logged at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Declined_requests" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Declined requests">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Declined requests</a>. Accepted case requests are opened as cases, and logged at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Cases" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Cases">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Cases</a> once closed.</li></ul></td></tr></tbody></table> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area" data-mw-thread-id="h-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106040300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106040300"></span>Covert canvassing and proxying in the Israel-Arab conflict topic area<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106040300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20241106040300-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"></span>Initiated by </b> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <b>at</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-BilledMammal-20241106040300-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:03, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20241106040300-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20241106040300-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Proposed_parties" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_parties-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_parties-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"></span>Proposed parties<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_parties-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/BilledMammal" title="Special:Contributions/BilledMammal">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/BilledMammal" title="Special:DeletedContributions/BilledMammal">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/BilledMammal" title="Special:Log/BilledMammal">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=BilledMammal">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/BilledMammal" title="Special:Block/BilledMammal">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3ABilledMammal">block log</a>)</span>, <i>filing party</i></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:%C3%8Fvana" title="User:Ïvana">Ïvana</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C3%8Fvana" title="User talk:Ïvana">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/%C3%8Fvana" title="Special:Contributions/Ïvana">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/%C3%8Fvana" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Ïvana">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/%C3%8Fvana" title="Special:Log/Ïvana">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=%C3%8Fvana">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/%C3%8Fvana" title="Special:Block/Ïvana">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3A%C3%8Fvana">block log</a>)</span></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Salmoonlight" title="User:Salmoonlight">Salmoonlight</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Salmoonlight" title="User talk:Salmoonlight">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Salmoonlight" title="Special:Contributions/Salmoonlight">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Salmoonlight" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Salmoonlight">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Salmoonlight" title="Special:Log/Salmoonlight">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Salmoonlight">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Salmoonlight" title="Special:Block/Salmoonlight">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3ASalmoonlight">block log</a>)</span></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Huldra" title="User:Huldra">Huldra</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Huldra" title="User talk:Huldra">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Huldra" title="Special:Contributions/Huldra">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Huldra" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Huldra">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Huldra" title="Special:Log/Huldra">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Huldra">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Huldra" title="Special:Block/Huldra">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3AHuldra">block log</a>)</span></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Brusquedandelion" title="User:Brusquedandelion">Brusquedandelion</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brusquedandelion" title="User talk:Brusquedandelion">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Brusquedandelion" title="Special:Contributions/Brusquedandelion">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Brusquedandelion" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Brusquedandelion">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Brusquedandelion" title="Special:Log/Brusquedandelion">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Brusquedandelion">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Brusquedandelion" title="Special:Block/Brusquedandelion">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3ABrusquedandelion">block log</a>)</span></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:CarmenEsparzaAmoux" title="User:CarmenEsparzaAmoux">CarmenEsparzaAmoux</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CarmenEsparzaAmoux" title="User talk:CarmenEsparzaAmoux">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CarmenEsparzaAmoux" title="Special:Contributions/CarmenEsparzaAmoux">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/CarmenEsparzaAmoux" title="Special:DeletedContributions/CarmenEsparzaAmoux">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/CarmenEsparzaAmoux" title="Special:Log/CarmenEsparzaAmoux">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=CarmenEsparzaAmoux">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/CarmenEsparzaAmoux" title="Special:Block/CarmenEsparzaAmoux">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3ACarmenEsparzaAmoux">block log</a>)</span></li></ul> <dl><dt>Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request</dt></dl> <ul><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1255686683">Ïvana</a></span></li> <li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1255686686">Salmoonlight</a></span></li> <li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1255686691">Huldra</a></span></li> <li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1255686693">Brusquedandelion</a></span></li> <li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1255686697">CarmenEsparzaAmoux</a></span></li></ul> <dl><dt>Confirmation that other steps in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution">dispute resolution</a> have been tried</dt></dl> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#PirateWires_Wikipedia_Investigation_(Administrator_Notice)" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#PirateWires Wikipedia Investigation (Administrator Notice)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#CoolAndUniqueUsername" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#CoolAndUniqueUsername</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_BilledMammal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_BilledMammal-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_BilledMammal-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"></span>Statement by BilledMammal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_BilledMammal-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"></span></h3></div> <p>There is ongoing coordination of off-wiki editors for the purpose of promoting a pro-Palestinian POV, utilizing a discord group, as well as an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EEML" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EEML">EEML</a>-style mailing list <i>(Private Evidence A)</i>. </p><p>A significant participant in the discord group, as well as the founder of the mailing list <i>(Private Evidence B)</i>, is a community banned editor <i>(Private Evidence C)</i>, who since being banned has engaged in the harassment and outing of Wikipedia editors <i>(Private Evidence D)</i>. This individual has substantial reach <i>(Private Evidence E)</i>, and their list appears to have been joined by a substantial number of editors, although I am only confident of the identify of three. </p><p>The Discord group was previously public, but has now become private to better hide their activities <i>(Private Evidence F)</i>. It is not compliant with policy, organizing non-ECP editors to make edits within the topic area. It is also used by the banned editor to make edit requests, which are acted upon <i>(Private Evidence G)</i>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Ïvana" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ïvana-Statement_by_BilledMammal"><span id=".C3.8Fvana"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ïvana-Statement_by_BilledMammal"></span>Ïvana<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ïvana-Statement_by_BilledMammal"></span></h4></div> <ul><li>Recruited editors to the covert canvassing list, and possibly initiated the creation of it <i>(Private Evidence H)</i></li> <li>Proxied for a banned editor <i>(Private Evidence I)</i> <ul><li>Edited <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1228770957">Sexual violence</a></span></li> <li>Edited <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1215706320">Anat Schwartz</a></span></li> <li>Edited <a href="/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_against_Palestinians_during_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war" title="Sexual and gender-based violence against Palestinians during the Israel–Hamas war">Sexual and gender-based violence against Palestinians during the Israel–Hamas war</a></li></ul></li> <li>Organized and supported non-ECP editors editing within ARBPIA <i>(Private Evidence J)</i> <dl><dd>Including working with <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ahm93">Ahm93</a></span> and <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WamelSlice">WamelSlice</a></span> to create <a href="/wiki/Parting_Ways:_Jewishness_and_the_Critique_of_Zionism" title="Parting Ways: Jewishness and the Critique of Zionism">Parting Ways: Jewishness and the Critique of Zionism</a></dd> <dd>See also <a href="/wiki/User:BilledMammal/tfp_Wikipedia_collaboration" title="User:BilledMammal/tfp Wikipedia collaboration">tfp Wikipedia collaboration</a></dd></dl></li> <li>Since this started receiving coverage they have worked to cover their tracks. In addition to the Discord group going private, they have deleted their Telegram messages <i>(Private Evidence K)</i></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Salmoonlight" data-mw-thread-id="h-Salmoonlight-Statement_by_BilledMammal"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Salmoonlight-Statement_by_BilledMammal"></span>Salmoonlight<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Salmoonlight-Statement_by_BilledMammal"></span></h4></div> <ul><li>Joined the covert canvassing list <i>(Private Evidence L)</i> <small>Given Salmoonlight's comment, provided additional evidence connecting the Telegram personality to them <i>(Private Evidence P)</i> 05:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</small> <ul><li>Has not edited; currently topic-banned</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Huldra" data-mw-thread-id="h-Huldra-Statement_by_BilledMammal"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Huldra-Statement_by_BilledMammal"></span>Huldra<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Huldra-Statement_by_BilledMammal"></span></h4></div> <ul><li>Proxied for a banned editor <i>(Private Evidence M)</i> <ul><li>Created <a href="/wiki/Chen_Kugel" title="Chen Kugel">Chen Kugel</a>. Sources used include ones the editor requested they use as a "weapon" against Kugel.</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Brusquedandelion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Brusquedandelion-Statement_by_BilledMammal"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Brusquedandelion-Statement_by_BilledMammal"></span>Brusquedandelion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Brusquedandelion-Statement_by_BilledMammal"></span></h4></div> <ul><li>Joined the covert canvassing list <i>(Private Evidence N)</i></li> <li>Proxied for a banned editor <i>(Private Evidence N)</i> <ul><li>Edited <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1224554811">Sexual and gender-based violence in the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel</a></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="CarmenEsparzaAmoux" data-mw-thread-id="h-CarmenEsparzaAmoux-Statement_by_BilledMammal"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CarmenEsparzaAmoux-Statement_by_BilledMammal"></span>CarmenEsparzaAmoux<span data-mw-comment-end="h-CarmenEsparzaAmoux-Statement_by_BilledMammal"></span></h4></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256386598">.mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#F0F2F5;color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#CCFFCC;color:inherit}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}</style> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Blocked sock</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <ul><li>Proxied for a banned editor <i>(Private Evidence O)</i> <ul><li>Edited <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1216358433">Screams Without Words</a></span></li> <li>Edited <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1208582973">Alexei Navalny</a></span>. In the edit request, the editor disclosed they were banned.</li> <li>Edited <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1229463077">Sexual and gender-based violence against Palestinians during the Israel–Hamas war</a></span>. In the edit request, the editor outed and harassed a Wikipedia editor.</li></ul></li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Additional_comments" data-mw-thread-id="h-Additional_comments-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106052200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Additional_comments-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106052200"></span>Additional comments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Additional_comments-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106052200"></span></h3></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20241106052200-Additional_comments"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CaptainEek" title="User:CaptainEek">CaptainEek</a>:</span> Already done. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-BilledMammal-20241106052200-Additional_comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:22, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20241106052200-Additional_comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20241106052200-Additional_comments"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20241106054000-BilledMammal-20241106052200"></span>I emailed arbcom-en an hour ago. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-BilledMammal-20241106054000-BilledMammal-20241106052200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:40, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20241106054000-BilledMammal-20241106052200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20241106054000-BilledMammal-20241106052200"></span></dd></dl> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20241106214900-Additional_comments"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598"> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Reply to blocked sock</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:CarmenEsparzaAmoux" title="User:CarmenEsparzaAmoux">CarmenEsparzaAmoux</a>:</span> I wasn’t aware of that discussion at the Navalny talk page, but it doesn’t change the overall concerns, except to add canvassing. That discussion was the first and last time you ever edited that page - and I find it interesting that Brusquedandelion also joined that discussion. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-BilledMammal-20241106214900-Additional_comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20241106214900-Additional_comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20241106214900-Additional_comments"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20241108043700-Additional_comments"></span>To address concerns about the nature of the posting: </p> <dl><dd>I posted a case request: <ol><li>To centralise the existing discussions</li> <li>To get a resolution to this evidence, one way or the other</li> <li>To encourage evidence from others who have knowledge of this</li></ol></dd></dl> <dl><dd>I considered posting as <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#Statement_by_SWATJester">SWATJester described</a>, but: <ol><li>I would find it more frustrating being told only that I am accused of "something"</li> <li>While too vague for the community to be aware of the details, it is specific enough for Ïvana, Salmoonlight, and Brusquedandelion to be able to prepare counter-arguments and evidence.</li> <li>The evidence structure makes it, I believe, easier for ArbCom to review.</li> <li>I misinterpreted the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy#Admissibility_of_evidence" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy">Admissibility of evidence</a> section as meaning only that I couldn't post the evidence - not that I couldn't refer to it.</li></ol></dd></dl> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-BilledMammal-20241108043700-Additional_comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20241108043700-Additional_comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20241108043700-Additional_comments"></span> </p><p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20241108043700-Additional_comments-1"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Huldra" title="User:Huldra">Huldra</a>:</span> I can see why you may be unable to recognize the specifics of this. I don't think they need it, but if they do ArbCom has my permission to share anything they see fit with you. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-BilledMammal-20241108043700-Additional_comments-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20241108043700-Additional_comments-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20241108043700-Additional_comments-1"></span> </p><p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20241108043700-Additional_comments-2"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Super_Goku_V" title="User:Super Goku V">Super Goku V</a>:</span> The evidence predates PirateWires. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-BilledMammal-20241108043700-Additional_comments-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20241108043700-Additional_comments-2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20241108043700-Additional_comments-2"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Ïvana" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Ïvana-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107192500"><span id="Statement_by_.C3.8Fvana"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Ïvana-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107192500"></span>Statement by Ïvana<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Ïvana-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107192500"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ïvana-20241107192500-Statement_by_Ïvana"></span>Echoing what other editors have already said, it is puzzling that a case where almost all of the evidence is private, so public comments won't be able to add much to it, is presented in this way. I was planning to mail ARBCOM requesting a copy of it. I don't really understand how this works because I never had to, so I was under the assumption that I should be able to see the evidence presented against me, because I don't know how I am expected to defend myself if I am not able to see/understand what I'm being accused of (for example what the hell is a EEML-style mailing list? Who is this "community-banned" editor?) but based on Kevin's comments it seems I'm not allowed to do that. So what's the point of this? Since the evidence is private my defense should be private as well, leaving me limited to say almost nothing in this public space and, to the privy eyes, of which there are many, look guilty by omission. This whole thing seems purposely vague. I'm sure that the off-wiki agitators who have been harassing me for months and who constantly rely on data compiled by BM will not fill in the blanks with atrocities to generate outrage to try to pressure ARBCOM to act the way they want. </p><p>Also, Chess, stop purposely misinterpreting what I've said and putting words in my mouth. Recent example <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PhilKnight#c-Chess-20241105003500-Are_you_trying_to_oversight_my_comment?">here</a> - I told Scharb (a clear sock gaming the system to become a SPA btw), not you, that if they have proof of me canvassing they should make a proper report. Everyone can see my <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Statement_by_Ïvana" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment">comments</a> in ARCA, so I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. I have never linked or talked about any specific off-wiki account and I don't plan to, so your logic of "well Ivana talked about A but that really means B so I can do C" is ridiculous and a really bad justification to violate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OUTING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OUTING">WP:OUTING</a>. If I say I have an Instagram account, does that give you a green light to post and publicly discuss links of profiles you assume to belong to me? I don't think so. You also seem to know what some of this private evidence is, specifically a supposed Telegram chat that hasn't been shared in WP, or anywhere else. That chat has also only come up in this case so its brand new information. I have never said I was part of any chat. I don't even know what BM is referring to, none of the people accused here has had access to the private evidence. So where did you see it? Has BM shared it with you? Because that is definitely outing (even if the evidence is doctored, because you're operating under the assumption that it is true) and a gross violation. I expect this to be taken seriously. And I don't appreciate you constantly trying to get me outed or alluding to it. Cut it out. - <a href="/wiki/User:%C3%8Fvana" title="User:Ïvana">Ïvana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C3%8Fvana" title="User talk:Ïvana">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Ïvana-20241107192500-Statement_by_Ïvana" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ïvana-20241107192500-Statement_by_Ïvana"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ïvana-20241107192500-Statement_by_Ïvana"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Salmoonlight" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Salmoonlight-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106050600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Salmoonlight-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106050600"></span>Statement by Salmoonlight<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Salmoonlight-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106050600"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Salmoonlight-20241106050600-Statement_by_Salmoonlight"></span>I don't interact with other Wikipedia editors and I have never heard of this canvassing list. I act alone. I also only talk regularly in one public Discord server. <a href="/wiki/User:Salmoonlight" title="User:Salmoonlight">Salmoonlight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Salmoonlight" title="User talk:Salmoonlight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Salmoonlight-20241106050600-Statement_by_Salmoonlight" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Salmoonlight-20241106050600-Statement_by_Salmoonlight"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Salmoonlight-20241106050600-Statement_by_Salmoonlight"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Salmoonlight-20241106053200-Salmoonlight-20241106050600"></span>And why am I still getting pulled into this even when I am topic-banned? <a href="/wiki/User:Salmoonlight" title="User:Salmoonlight">Salmoonlight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Salmoonlight" title="User talk:Salmoonlight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Salmoonlight-20241106053200-Salmoonlight-20241106050600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Salmoonlight-20241106053200-Salmoonlight-20241106050600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Salmoonlight-20241106053200-Salmoonlight-20241106050600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Salmoonlight-20241106053900-Salmoonlight-20241106053200"></span>"Provided additional evidence" ??? <a href="/wiki/User:Salmoonlight" title="User:Salmoonlight">Salmoonlight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Salmoonlight" title="User talk:Salmoonlight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Salmoonlight-20241106053900-Salmoonlight-20241106053200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Salmoonlight-20241106053900-Salmoonlight-20241106053200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Salmoonlight-20241106053900-Salmoonlight-20241106053200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Huldra2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Huldra2-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106220200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Huldra2-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106220200"></span>Statement by Huldra2<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Huldra2-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106220200"></span></h3></div> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Huldra-20241106220200-Statement_by_Huldra2"></span>I have never been on Discord (didn't even know what it was, before it popped up here), and I have been editing wp since 2005, before Discord even existed(? I think) Also, I have created nearly 300 articles, for various reasons; <ul><li>Sometime because I saw a village that didn't have an article on en.wp, but did have an article in other wikipedias.</li> <li>sometimes because I saw something reported in the news, or on social media ( like blogs<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ATurki_al-Hamad&diff=24729518&oldid=24626373">[1]</a>: <a href="/wiki/Turki_al-Hamad" title="Turki al-Hamad">Turki al-Hamad</a>), which didn't have an article,</li> <li>sometimes because I have used them as a source (<a href="/wiki/Wolf-Dieter_H%C3%BCtteroth" title="Wolf-Dieter Hütteroth">Wolf-Dieter Hütteroth</a>),</li> <li>and once I even started an article about someone, because I had visited a museum for her (<a href="/wiki/Emily_Ruete" title="Emily Ruete">Emily Ruete</a>..nice little museum for her in <a href="/wiki/Zanzibar" title="Zanzibar">Zanzibar</a>)</li> <li>As for the <a href="/wiki/Chen_Kugel" title="Chen Kugel">Chen Kugel</a>-article, best as I recall, I looked at which other places on en.wp he was mentioned, and used those sources. I have no idea as to which " banned editor" is referred to, <a href="/wiki/User:Huldra" title="User:Huldra">Huldra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Huldra" title="User talk:Huldra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Huldra-20241106220200-Statement_by_Huldra2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Huldra-20241106220200-Statement_by_Huldra2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Huldra-20241106220200-Statement_by_Huldra2"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Huldra-20241106221000-Statement_by_Huldra2"></span>PS: I have never been part of a "EEML-style mailing list". I have, however, communicated via email, with wp editors (both pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian); mostly getting/exchanging RS sources. I have also communicated with others about death threats and rape threats and "outing attempts" (when I felt totally let down by the WMF T&S), <a href="/wiki/User:Huldra" title="User:Huldra">Huldra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Huldra" title="User talk:Huldra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Huldra-20241106221000-Statement_by_Huldra2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Huldra-20241106221000-Statement_by_Huldra2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Huldra-20241106221000-Statement_by_Huldra2"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Huldra-20241106222400-Statement_by_Huldra2"></span>Is there any chance I could see the "(Private Evidence M)" against me? <a href="/wiki/User:Huldra" title="User:Huldra">Huldra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Huldra" title="User talk:Huldra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Huldra-20241106222400-Statement_by_Huldra2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Huldra-20241106222400-Statement_by_Huldra2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Huldra-20241106222400-Statement_by_Huldra2"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Huldra-20241106224400-Statement_by_Huldra2"></span>I am still wondering what "community-banned editor" I "proxied for"....? Could someone please tell me, as I am in the dark? <a href="/wiki/User:Huldra" title="User:Huldra">Huldra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Huldra" title="User talk:Huldra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Huldra-20241106224400-Statement_by_Huldra2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Huldra-20241106224400-Statement_by_Huldra2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Huldra-20241106224400-Statement_by_Huldra2"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Huldra-20241107224500-Huldra-20241106224400"></span>Thank you, <a href="/wiki/User:Alaexis" title="User:Alaexis">User:Alaexis</a> for that YouTube-link: I have now wasted nearly 2 hours of my life watching it; before anyone else do the same: it is nearly all in Arabic. And boy, have you watched it closely: I needed 3 watchings before I found that "hunt them for the rest of their lives", and my understanding is that it was a <i>suggested</i> project, not an actual project. What they said about Wikipedia (at least in English) I actually agree with: to fight misinformation with <i>facts</i>, <a href="/wiki/User:Huldra" title="User:Huldra">Huldra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Huldra" title="User talk:Huldra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Huldra-20241107224500-Huldra-20241106224400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>,<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Huldra-20241107224500-Huldra-20241106224400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Huldra-20241107224500-Huldra-20241106224400"></span></li></ul></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Huldra-20241108203800-Statement_by_Huldra2"></span>Well, BilledMammal has now permitted Arb.com to share with me the "secret evidence"; I have emailed arb.com asking for it, but has not yet heard back. So this process is still <a href="/wiki/Kafkaesque" class="mw-redirect" title="Kafkaesque">Kafkaesque</a> to me: I have seriously NO idea as to which "banned editor" I apparently have been proxing for. I started the <a href="/wiki/Chen_Kugel" title="Chen Kugel">Chen Kugel</a>-article, as there were a lot of mentioning of him on social media (twitter), as people were upset that he said he had seen beheaded babies on oct 7, when there were 0 beheaded babies. Nothing unusual in that (for me): I have started articles on wp because I have seen them mentioned on social media since 2005 (<a href="/wiki/Turki_al-Hamad" title="Turki al-Hamad">Turki al-Hamad</a>), <a href="/wiki/User:Huldra" title="User:Huldra">Huldra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Huldra" title="User talk:Huldra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Huldra-20241108203800-Statement_by_Huldra2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Huldra-20241108203800-Statement_by_Huldra2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Huldra-20241108203800-Statement_by_Huldra2"></span></dd> <dd>PS: Were the "twitterati" who mentioned him banned on wikipedia? I have absolutely <i>no</i> idea; they for sure didn't identify themselves as such: that I would have remembered.</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Brusquedandelion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Brusquedandelion-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Brusquedandelion-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"></span>Statement by Brusquedandelion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Brusquedandelion-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_CarmenEsparzaAmoux" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_CarmenEsparzaAmoux-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106213800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_CarmenEsparzaAmoux-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106213800"></span>Statement by CarmenEsparzaAmoux<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_CarmenEsparzaAmoux-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106213800"></span></h3></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CarmenEsparzaAmoux-20241106213800-Statement_by_CarmenEsparzaAmoux"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598"> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">This user has now been blocked as a checkuser-confirmed sock.</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <dl><dd>I do not have a Discord. I do not communicate with editors off-Wiki—let alone edit for others—community banned or otherwise. My edit on Navalny's page was following his death, part of a long-running <a href="/wiki/Talk:Alexei_Navalny#Censorship_on_immigration" title="Talk:Alexei Navalny">talk page discussion</a> about the inclusion of his comments comparing Caucasus Muslim immigrants to cockroaches. These other two edits... I added info from widely publicized <i>New York Times</i> articles? <a href="/wiki/User:CarmenEsparzaAmoux" title="User:CarmenEsparzaAmoux">CarmenEsparzaAmoux</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CarmenEsparzaAmoux" title="User talk:CarmenEsparzaAmoux">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-CarmenEsparzaAmoux-20241106213800-Statement_by_CarmenEsparzaAmoux" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CarmenEsparzaAmoux-20241106213800-Statement_by_CarmenEsparzaAmoux"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CarmenEsparzaAmoux-20241106213800-Statement_by_CarmenEsparzaAmoux"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CarmenEsparzaAmoux-20241106215900-CarmenEsparzaAmoux-20241106213800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> Navalny had just died. I don't edit in articles related to Russia at all, but even I read his article when he died. The day I made that edit, his article had more than 300,000 views and his talk alone had more than 600. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2024-02-18&end=2024-02-19&pages=Talk:Alexei_Navalny%7CAlexei_Navalny">[2]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:CarmenEsparzaAmoux" title="User:CarmenEsparzaAmoux">CarmenEsparzaAmoux</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CarmenEsparzaAmoux" title="User talk:CarmenEsparzaAmoux">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-CarmenEsparzaAmoux-20241106215900-CarmenEsparzaAmoux-20241106213800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CarmenEsparzaAmoux-20241106215900-CarmenEsparzaAmoux-20241106213800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CarmenEsparzaAmoux-20241106215900-CarmenEsparzaAmoux-20241106213800"></span></dd></dl> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Chess" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Chess-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106040800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Chess-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106040800"></span>Statement by Chess<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Chess-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106040800"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chess-20241106040800-Statement_by_Chess"></span>Per what I said at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARCA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARCA">WP:ARCA</a>, there is strong circumstantial evidence of <a href="/wiki/User:CoolAndUniqueUsername" title="User:CoolAndUniqueUsername">User:CoolAndUniqueUsername</a>'s involvement. <span class="nowrap"><a href="/wiki/User:Chess" title="User:Chess">Chess</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chess" title="User talk:Chess">talk</a>) <small>(please <a href="/wiki/Help:Talk_pages#Notifications" title="Help:Talk pages">mention</a> me on reply)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Chess-20241106040800-Statement_by_Chess" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:08, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chess-20241106040800-Statement_by_Chess"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chess-20241106040800-Statement_by_Chess"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chess-20241106043600-Chess-20241106040800"></span>Going with what has publicly been revealed: <ul><li>Ivana has admitted to linking AN threads on Discord for others to comment on.</li> <li>Ivana was publicly asked to be the head of a "blitz team" to coordinate the editing of articles.</li></ul></dd> <dd><span class="nowrap"><a href="/wiki/User:Chess" title="User:Chess">Chess</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chess" title="User talk:Chess">talk</a>) <small>(please <a href="/wiki/Help:Talk_pages#Notifications" title="Help:Talk pages">mention</a> me on reply)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Chess-20241106043600-Chess-20241106040800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chess-20241106043600-Chess-20241106040800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chess-20241106043600-Chess-20241106040800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chess-20241106174100-Chess-20241106040800"></span>Reminder that if the accused wants the evidence to be public, they can make it so. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OUTING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OUTING">WP:OUTING</a> applies here to the extent Ivana et al haven't revealed their identities in the Telegram chat <b>onwiki</b>. <span class="nowrap"><a href="/wiki/User:Chess" title="User:Chess">Chess</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chess" title="User talk:Chess">talk</a>) <small>(please <a href="/wiki/Help:Talk_pages#Notifications" title="Help:Talk pages">mention</a> me on reply)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Chess-20241106174100-Chess-20241106040800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chess-20241106174100-Chess-20241106040800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chess-20241106174100-Chess-20241106040800"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chess-20241107183100-Chess-20241106174100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Zero0000" title="User:Zero0000">Zero0000</a>:</span> Corrected. I'm aware and my point is the rules are to protect them. <span class="nowrap"><a href="/wiki/User:Chess" title="User:Chess">Chess</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chess" title="User talk:Chess">talk</a>) <small>(please <a href="/wiki/Help:Talk_pages#Notifications" title="Help:Talk pages">mention</a> me on reply)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Chess-20241107183100-Chess-20241106174100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chess-20241107183100-Chess-20241106174100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chess-20241107183100-Chess-20241106174100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chess-20241107220900-Chess-20241106040800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Alaexis" title="User:Alaexis">Alaexis</a>:</span> Minor correction, the Discord group had some level of onwiki presence. See <a href="/wiki/User:BilledMammal/tfp_Wikipedia_collaboration" title="User:BilledMammal/tfp Wikipedia collaboration">User:BilledMammal/tfp Wikipedia collaboration</a> linked above.</dd> <dd>Also, the Telegram channel is a separate (but publicly accessible) group.</dd> <dd>With respect to the "private evidence", there are many editors that have independently stumbled upon this. <span class="nowrap"><a href="/wiki/User:Chess" title="User:Chess">Chess</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chess" title="User talk:Chess">talk</a>) <small>(please <a href="/wiki/Help:Talk_pages#Notifications" title="Help:Talk pages">mention</a> me on reply)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Chess-20241107220900-Chess-20241106040800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chess-20241107220900-Chess-20241106040800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chess-20241107220900-Chess-20241106040800"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chess-20241107222400-Chess-20241106040800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Floquenbeam" title="User:Floquenbeam">Floquenbeam</a>:</span> Most of these accusations against TFP were made in a news article Elon Musk retweeted 2 weeks ago.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1849639215199650279">[3]</a> Ivana was called out by name in that article as well another one by Jewish Insider in June.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://jewishinsider.com/2024/06/wikipediai-israeli-palestinian-conflict-zionism-adl-encyclopedia/">[4]</a> This is included in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_and_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#Tech_for_Palestine" title="Wikipedia and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict">Wikipedia and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict#Tech for Palestine</a>. If ArbCom wishes to hold this case in secret, it needs to make a public statement acknowledging so and explaining very clearly what precedents it is using. Banning BM and nuking the page would probably be the absolute worst possible thing ArbCom can do at this point given these accusations have been out for months with no response. <span class="nowrap"><a href="/wiki/User:Chess" title="User:Chess">Chess</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chess" title="User talk:Chess">talk</a>) <small>(please <a href="/wiki/Help:Talk_pages#Notifications" title="Help:Talk pages">mention</a> me on reply)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Chess-20241107222400-Chess-20241106040800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chess-20241107222400-Chess-20241106040800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chess-20241107222400-Chess-20241106040800"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chess-20241107230200-Chess-20241107222400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Floquenbeam" title="User:Floquenbeam">Floquenbeam</a>:</span> ArbCom should at least acknowledge the situation and publicly explain what they are doing. <span class="nowrap"><a href="/wiki/User:Chess" title="User:Chess">Chess</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chess" title="User talk:Chess">talk</a>) <small>(please <a href="/wiki/Help:Talk_pages#Notifications" title="Help:Talk pages">mention</a> me on reply)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Chess-20241107230200-Chess-20241107222400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chess-20241107230200-Chess-20241107222400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chess-20241107230200-Chess-20241107222400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Dan_Murphy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Dan_Murphy-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106042300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Dan_Murphy-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106042300"></span>Statement by Dan Murphy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Dan_Murphy-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106042300"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dan_Murphy-20241106042300-Statement_by_Dan_Murphy"></span>Yoinks! A private-evidence extravaganza of a star chamber. Sounds like a GREAT idea! And from such a clean set of hands.<a href="/wiki/User:Dan_Murphy" title="User:Dan Murphy">Dan Murphy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dan_Murphy" title="User talk:Dan Murphy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Dan_Murphy-20241106042300-Statement_by_Dan_Murphy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dan_Murphy-20241106042300-Statement_by_Dan_Murphy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dan_Murphy-20241106042300-Statement_by_Dan_Murphy"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dan_Murphy-20241108001700-Dan_Murphy-20241106042300"></span>"Most of these accusations against TFP were made in a news article Elon Musk retweeted 2 weeks ago. Ivana was called out by name in that article as well another one by Jewish Insider in June..." My God! Offsite canvassing involving Elon Musk and other committed partisans! How deep does this rabbit hole of smears and innuendo go?! <sarcasm off> One of the contributors to this page, Alexis, has even insinuated that some of these Wikipedia editors are involved in an effort to hunt down and kill Israeli soldiers, not a shred of credible evidence provided. And here this pile sits.<a href="/wiki/User:Dan_Murphy" title="User:Dan Murphy">Dan Murphy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dan_Murphy" title="User talk:Dan Murphy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Dan_Murphy-20241108001700-Dan_Murphy-20241106042300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dan_Murphy-20241108001700-Dan_Murphy-20241106042300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dan_Murphy-20241108001700-Dan_Murphy-20241106042300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Liz" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Liz-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106081000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Liz-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106081000"></span>Statement by <a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz">Liz</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Liz-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106081000"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20241106081000-Statement_by_Liz"></span>The claims of that article on coordinated editing along with this case request are pretty accusatory, I just hope that the private evidence sent to the committee warrants an investigation. Not being privy to this information, it will be difficult for us regular editors to make arguments on whether or not this request should be accepted. I hope this request doesn't devolve into statements based on suspicions without evidence. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Liz-20241106081000-Statement_by_Liz" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:10, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20241106081000-Statement_by_Liz"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20241106081000-Statement_by_Liz"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_David_A" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_David_A-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106095600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_David_A-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106095600"></span>Statement by David A<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_David_A-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106095600"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_A-20241106095600-Statement_by_David_A"></span>I apologise if I am disturbing, misunderstanding what is allowed, or getting too paranoid here, but how did BilledMammal, as a supposedly regular editor, get ahold of such extremely specific and private information, if it is even reliable? This seems suspicious given that: </p> <ol><li>BilledMammal has participated in several attempts to delegitimise and thereby remove all references from <a href="/wiki/Al_Jazeera" class="mw-redirect" title="Al Jazeera">Al Jazeera</a> from Wikipedia, which is the main news organisation that reports war crimes by the Israeli government. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_434#Al_Jazeera_reliability">[5]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_445#Al_Jazeera_-_factual_errors">[6]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_449#Reliability_of_Al_Jazeera">[7]</a></li> <li>I read a comment by another Wikipedia editor regarding that a recent news article that attacked Wikipedia used information organised by BilledMammal in one of their userspaces. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.piratewires.com/p/how-wikipedia-s-pro-hamas-editors-hijacked-the-israel-palestine-narrative">[8]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BilledMammal/ARBPIA_activity_statistics_complete">[9]</a></li></ol> <p><a href="/wiki/User:David_A" title="User:David A">David A</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_A" title="User talk:David A">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-David_A-20241106095600-Statement_by_David_A" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_A-20241106095600-Statement_by_David_A"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_A-20241106095600-Statement_by_David_A"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_A-20241107160100-Statement_by_David_A"></span>There may also be two other potential concerns here. One is that it is likely quite easy to doctor evidence in the form of screencapture images from chat rooms with modern technology, and another is that it is also easy for people to claim to be/impersonate others online. Just because somebody in a chat room claims to be a specific Wikipedia editor, this does not automatically make it a fact. <a href="/wiki/User:David_A" title="User:David A">David A</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_A" title="User talk:David A">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-David_A-20241107160100-Statement_by_David_A" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_A-20241107160100-Statement_by_David_A"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_A-20241107160100-Statement_by_David_A"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Zero0000" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Zero0000-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106123600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Zero0000-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106123600"></span>Statement by Zero0000<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Zero0000-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106123600"></span></h3></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><small style="font-style:italic;font-weight:bold;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zero0000-20241106123600-Statement_by_Zero0000"></span>To</small> editor <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a>:</span> Did you obtain this evidence personally, or are you passing on what you received from someone else? <a href="/wiki/User:Zero0000" title="User:Zero0000">Zero</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zero0000" title="User talk:Zero0000">talk</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Zero0000-20241106123600-Statement_by_Zero0000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zero0000-20241106123600-Statement_by_Zero0000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zero0000-20241106123600-Statement_by_Zero0000"></span> </p><p><span class="template-ping"><small style="font-style:italic;font-weight:bold;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zero0000-20241107124900-Statement_by_Zero0000"></span>To</small> editor <a href="/wiki/User:Chess" title="User:Chess">Chess</a>:</span> You wrote "WP:OUTING applies here to the extent Ivana et al haven't revealed their identities in the Telegram chat." Maybe I misunderstand you, but to be clear it is not allowed to copy personal identifying information to here from an external site even if that information was voluntarily revealed on the external site. That is made clear by the very first sentence of OUTING: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">"Posting another editor's personal information is harassment, unless that person has voluntarily posted their own information, or links to such information, <b>on Wikipedia</b>.</q> (bold in original). Also see <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=914386202#RfC:_Clarification_of_OUTING">this RfC</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Zero0000" title="User:Zero0000">Zero</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zero0000" title="User talk:Zero0000">talk</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Zero0000-20241107124900-Statement_by_Zero0000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zero0000-20241107124900-Statement_by_Zero0000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zero0000-20241107124900-Statement_by_Zero0000"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Simonm223" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Simonm223-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106133700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Simonm223-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106133700"></span>Statement by Simonm223<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Simonm223-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106133700"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Simonm223-20241106133700-Statement_by_Simonm223"></span>I'm a bit aghast that this arbitration case exists and I sincerely hope that it is rejected by the arbitration committee. Targeting specific editors for this based on supposed private evidence is borderline McCarthyism especially as the motivation is a blog of a right-wing agitator with an axe to grind against the supposed progressivism of Wikipedia. Please, let's not do this. <a href="/wiki/User:Simonm223" title="User:Simonm223">Simonm223</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Simonm223" title="User talk:Simonm223">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Simonm223-20241106133700-Statement_by_Simonm223" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Simonm223-20241106133700-Statement_by_Simonm223"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Simonm223-20241106133700-Statement_by_Simonm223"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Simonm223-20241107124600-Simonm223-20241106133700"></span>I certainly share @<a href="/wiki/User:Super_Goku_V" title="User:Super Goku V">Super Goku V</a>'s concern. <a href="/wiki/User:Simonm223" title="User:Simonm223">Simonm223</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Simonm223" title="User talk:Simonm223">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Simonm223-20241107124600-Simonm223-20241106133700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Simonm223-20241107124600-Simonm223-20241106133700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Simonm223-20241107124600-Simonm223-20241106133700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Simonm223-20241107192800-Simonm223-20241107124600"></span>Contrary to @<a href="/wiki/User:Swatjester" title="User:Swatjester">Swatjester</a> I would suggest, moving forward, that the Arbitration Committee simply procedurally refuse any request for a case that depends exclusively, or primarily, on private evidence. Wikipedia must never become a star chamber. <a href="/wiki/User:Simonm223" title="User:Simonm223">Simonm223</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Simonm223" title="User talk:Simonm223">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Simonm223-20241107192800-Simonm223-20241107124600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Simonm223-20241107192800-Simonm223-20241107124600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Simonm223-20241107192800-Simonm223-20241107124600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Simonm223-20241107195900-Simonm223-20241107192800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Alaexis" title="User:Alaexis">Alaexis</a> I don't know what, exactly, your link to that Youtube video has to do with this farce. I really couldn't care less if people, even if they have similar usernames to Wikipedians, dislike the IOF. That is not something that Wikipedia should <b>ever</b> adjudicate on. <a href="/wiki/User:Simonm223" title="User:Simonm223">Simonm223</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Simonm223" title="User talk:Simonm223">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Simonm223-20241107195900-Simonm223-20241107192800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Simonm223-20241107195900-Simonm223-20241107192800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Simonm223-20241107195900-Simonm223-20241107192800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Simonm223-20241108121000-Simonm223-20241107195900"></span>I concur with @<a href="/wiki/User:LilianaUwU" title="User:LilianaUwU">LilianaUwU</a> that a boomerang is appropriate here. <a href="/wiki/User:Simonm223" title="User:Simonm223">Simonm223</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Simonm223" title="User talk:Simonm223">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Simonm223-20241108121000-Simonm223-20241107195900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Simonm223-20241108121000-Simonm223-20241107195900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Simonm223-20241108121000-Simonm223-20241107195900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Super_Goku_V" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Super_Goku_V-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107080600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Super_Goku_V-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107080600"></span>Statement by Super Goku V<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Super_Goku_V-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107080600"></span></h3></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Super_Goku_V-20241107080600-Statement_by_Super_Goku_V"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a>:</span> You might want to request an extension on this. That aside, I have concerns that some of the evidence is tied to Pirate Wires. <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment&diff=1253681893&oldid=1253632574">I voiced my concerns about them in a related situation just over a week ago</a></span> and I don't think I am alone based on some of the comments at the PirateWires Wikipedia Investigation discussion linked to. --<a href="/wiki/User:Super_Goku_V" title="User:Super Goku V">Super Goku V</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Super_Goku_V" title="User talk:Super Goku V">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Super_Goku_V-20241107080600-Statement_by_Super_Goku_V" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:06, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Super_Goku_V-20241107080600-Statement_by_Super_Goku_V"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Super_Goku_V-20241107080600-Statement_by_Super_Goku_V"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Parabolist" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Parabolist-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107091500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Parabolist-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107091500"></span>Statement by Parabolist<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Parabolist-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107091500"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Parabolist-20241107091500-Statement_by_Parabolist"></span>So instead of just sending all of this incredible evidence to the arbs, we get this grandstanding case request, where BilledMammal gets to accuse a host of editors of a litany of crimes without actually needing to post proof. The entire point of arbs receiving private evidence by email is so that this doesn't happen. And considering how weak some of the claims are (One editor's crime is simply being in a Telegram group? BM doesn't even think they edited?) it looks like a great deal of wall-bound spaghetti. (Private Evidence Z-3) <a href="/wiki/User:Parabolist" title="User:Parabolist">Parabolist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Parabolist" title="User talk:Parabolist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Parabolist-20241107091500-Statement_by_Parabolist" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Parabolist-20241107091500-Statement_by_Parabolist"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Parabolist-20241107091500-Statement_by_Parabolist"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Nableezy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Nableezy-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107135700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Nableezy-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107135700"></span>Statement by Nableezy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Nableezy-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107135700"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nableezy-20241107135700-Statement_by_Nableezy"></span>If the only evidence for a claim is private material then the accusation should be made in private as well. Iff the committee feels that the evidence has merit then yes some public statement or motion is in order. But right now an editor is making very public accusations against editors and then saying they cannot share any evidence. As the filer here previously <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1193881111" title="Special:Diff/1193881111">said</a> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I am concerned that this is quickly turning into a witch-hunt, with editors tossing out accusations with little to no evidence, accusations that in a different forum would result in a boomerang as often as not. I think it would be beneficial for the committee to instruct editors to avoid issuing accusations unless they have some form of evidence for them, and to remind editors that posting unsupported accusations - casting <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ASPERSIONS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ASPERSIONS">aspersions</a> - can result in sanctions</q>. Obviously I don’t know what evidence exists here, but having the accusations made publicly and the evidence provided privately strikes me as a convenient way of smearing the names of editors to the wider community. If y’all are on board with that ok I guess, but if this is entirely reliant on private evidence then a. There isn’t anything any body else can offer here making the preliminary statements utterly pointless, and b. I hope if the evidence is not convincing that there is just as public an apology to the users who were accused. <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nableezy" title="User talk:Nableezy"><span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span></a></b> - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Nableezy-20241107135700-Statement_by_Nableezy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:57, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nableezy-20241107135700-Statement_by_Nableezy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nableezy-20241107135700-Statement_by_Nableezy"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Ca" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Ca-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107140600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Ca-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107140600"></span>Statement by Ca<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Ca-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107140600"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ca-20241107140600-Statement_by_Ca"></span>I joined the Discord server after concerns were raised at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Israel#Canvassing" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel § Canvassing</a>. According to official announcement, they set to private their Wikipedia editing channel due to doxing concerns. I inquired on the status of their Wikipedia editing activities, and one user said they were suspended for the same reason. and one The organizers seemed largely clueless in the workings of Wikipedia; one appeared to be using ChatGPT in an attempt to code a bot to canvass participating editors into discussions. <a href="/wiki/User:Ca" title="User:Ca">Ca</a> <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ca" title="User talk:Ca">talk to me!</a></sup></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Ca-20241107140600-Statement_by_Ca" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ca-20241107140600-Statement_by_Ca"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ca-20241107140600-Statement_by_Ca"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Girth_Summit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Girth_Summit-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107170000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Girth_Summit-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107170000"></span>Statement by Girth Summit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Girth_Summit-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107170000"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Girth_Summit-20241107170000-Statement_by_Girth_Summit"></span>I've just now become aware of this arbitration request. I know nothing about the dispute this case centres around, but I came here to note that a few minutes ago, following my investigation at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Jpesch95" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jpesch95">Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jpesch95</a>, I blocked one of the parties, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CarmenEsparzaAmoux">CarmenEsparzaAmoux</a></span>, as a suspected sock. This was based on behaviour, rather than CU data, but I have not gone into the specifics of my findings per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEANS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEANS">WP:BEANS</a>. I'd be happy to explain further if anyone from the committee wants to reach out by email. <a href="/wiki/User:Girth_Summit" title="User:Girth Summit"><span style="font-family:Impact;color:#006400;">Girth</span> <span style="font-family:Impact;color:#4B0082;">Summit</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Girth_Summit" title="User talk:Girth Summit"><sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Girth_Summit-20241107170000-Statement_by_Girth_Summit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Girth_Summit-20241107170000-Statement_by_Girth_Summit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Girth_Summit-20241107170000-Statement_by_Girth_Summit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Girth_Summit-20241107210400-Girth_Summit-20241107170000"></span>Just adding that I've since been able to confirm the connection with CU. <a href="/wiki/User:Girth_Summit" title="User:Girth Summit"><span style="font-family:Impact;color:#006400;">Girth</span> <span style="font-family:Impact;color:#4B0082;">Summit</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Girth_Summit" title="User talk:Girth Summit"><sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Girth_Summit-20241107210400-Girth_Summit-20241107170000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Girth_Summit-20241107210400-Girth_Summit-20241107170000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Girth_Summit-20241107210400-Girth_Summit-20241107170000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Jéské_Couriano" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Jéské_Couriano-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107175300"><span id="Statement_by_J.C3.A9sk.C3.A9_Couriano"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Jéské_Couriano-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107175300"></span>Statement by Jéské Couriano<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Jéské_Couriano-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107175300"></span></h3></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241107175300-Statement_by_Jéské_Couriano"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:KevinL" class="mw-redirect" title="User:KevinL">KevinL</a>:</span> This is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/CAMERA_lobbying" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/CAMERA lobbying">not the first time ArbCom has had to deal with bad actors in the PIA area who are coordinating off-wiki</a>, so there is precedent for taking this case just within the PIA area itself. (If you want non-PIA precedent, may I interest you in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Eastern_European_mailing_list" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Eastern European mailing list">EEML</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/WikiProject_Tropical_Cyclones" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/WikiProject Tropical Cyclones">WTC</a>?) —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241107175300-Statement_by_Jéské_Couriano" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241107175300-Statement_by_Jéské_Couriano"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241107175300-Statement_by_Jéské_Couriano"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_SWATJester" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_SWATJester-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107192400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_SWATJester-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107192400"></span>Statement by SWATJester<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_SWATJester-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107192400"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swatjester-20241107192400-Statement_by_SWATJester"></span>This is a gap of process. Nableezy hits on this here, with his point "a": <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">if this is entirely reliant on private evidence then a. There isn’t anything any body else can offer here making the preliminary statements utterly pointless, and b. I hope if the evidence is not convincing that there is just as public an apology to the users who were accused</q>. I think this case would have been better filed if everything within the "Statement from BilledMammal" portion were replaced with "Private evidence has been submitted in regards to the above named parties." And that's it. As Nableezy said, there's nothing anyone can or needs to do in the preliminary statements portion if they can't respond to the allegations adequately, which means there's no point in listing the allegations either. Verifying that a request was indeed submitted, and naming the parties are the only things this should provide, IMO, as I do think *some* degree of public awareness that a case was filed is better than just privately emailing the committee and hoping for a response in several days or weeks. The Committee should consider formalizing that into a process, or updating the case-filing guide, for these types of requests in the future. <a href="/wiki/User:Swatjester" title="User:Swatjester"><span style="color:red">⇒</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swatjester" title="User talk:Swatjester"><span style="font-family:Serif"><span style="color:black">SWAT</span><span style="color:goldenrod">Jester</span></span></a> <small><sup>Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!</sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Swatjester-20241107192400-Statement_by_SWATJester" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swatjester-20241107192400-Statement_by_SWATJester"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swatjester-20241107192400-Statement_by_SWATJester"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swatjester-20241108002500-Swatjester-20241107192400"></span>For everyone who's @-ing me, I need y'all to understand that my point above is speaking to process in general regarding private evidence, not the content specific to this one in particular. I'm not making an opinion on the suitability of the video, or whether this particular case should be filed, or what happened off-wiki on this particular matter. I'm saying that as a general process, if all or substantially all of a case request is being based on private evidence from the requester, then I think that the public statement on this page should be strictly limited to just identifying that evidence was submitted and naming the parties. I think this part is necessary, because without it -- assuming a case gets accepted, heard, and completed -- Arbcom will appear to just magically be handing down a ruling out of nowhere, and it's a surprise to everyone. Furthermore, since Arbcom is currently struggling with activity constraints, having public acknowledgement that a request was made serves as a receipt for the requestor (and other interested parties) to be able to follow up on if we don't eventually see a resolution in a timely fashion. Y'all can characterize Arbcom as a star chamber however you like, but that ship has long since sailed -- the committee has longstanding precedent for acting on private evidence. I'm less interested in relitigating that, and more interested in filling the gap in the process for the instructions to a filer on *how* to do that, because the current process -- whether you view it as being intentional or not -- has the capability of making a filing be functionally an aspersion. <a href="/wiki/User:Swatjester" title="User:Swatjester"><span style="color:red">⇒</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swatjester" title="User talk:Swatjester"><span style="font-family:Serif"><span style="color:black">SWAT</span><span style="color:goldenrod">Jester</span></span></a> <small><sup>Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!</sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Swatjester-20241108002500-Swatjester-20241107192400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:25, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swatjester-20241108002500-Swatjester-20241107192400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swatjester-20241108002500-Swatjester-20241107192400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Alaexis" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Alaexis-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107194800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Alaexis-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107194800"></span>Statement by Alaexis<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Alaexis-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107194800"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alaexis-20241107194800-Statement_by_Alaexis"></span>Plenty of users have expressed concerns that the case is based on private evidence. I have no idea what kind of evidence it is, but there is publicly available evidence of pretty impressively organised off-wiki coordination, please see this video <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AdD3W-FPPQ">[10]</a>, starting from 1:57:43. One of the projects (unclear whether it's related to Wikipedia or not) of the group was doxing IDF soldiers to "hunt them for the rest of their lives" (1:58:23). <a href="/wiki/User:Alaexis" title="User:Alaexis">Alaexis</a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alaexis" title="User talk:Alaexis">¿question?</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Alaexis-20241107194800-Statement_by_Alaexis" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alaexis-20241107194800-Statement_by_Alaexis"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alaexis-20241107194800-Statement_by_Alaexis"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alaexis-20241107195200-Alaexis-20241107194800"></span>In case something happens with the video on Youtube, I've downloaded it. <a href="/wiki/User:Alaexis" title="User:Alaexis">Alaexis</a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alaexis" title="User talk:Alaexis">¿question?</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Alaexis-20241107195200-Alaexis-20241107194800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alaexis-20241107195200-Alaexis-20241107194800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alaexis-20241107195200-Alaexis-20241107194800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alaexis-20241107215000-Alaexis-20241107194800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Swatjester" title="User:Swatjester">Swatjester</a>, the video shows posts on Discord with the tag tfp-wikipedia-collaboration with various Wikipedia-related tasks. This is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CANVASSING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CANVASSING">WP:CANVASSING</a> (notification done with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way) which is is considered disruptive behavior. Off-wiki communication is strongly discouraged (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:STEALTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:STEALTH">WP:STEALTH</a>).</dd> <dd>Almost all boxes are ticked: it's biased, partisan and done in secrecy (or semi-secrecy - even if the board was public its existence certainly wasn't disclosed on Wikipedia). <a href="/wiki/User:Alaexis" title="User:Alaexis">Alaexis</a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alaexis" title="User talk:Alaexis">¿question?</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Alaexis-20241107215000-Alaexis-20241107194800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alaexis-20241107215000-Alaexis-20241107194800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alaexis-20241107215000-Alaexis-20241107194800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alaexis-20241107225700-Alaexis-20241107215000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Chess" title="User:Chess">Chess</a>, thanks for correcting me, TFP did have a Wikipedia page at some point (still, other editors would generally be unaware that there is a coordinated campaign being managed on Discord). Even without secrecy, it's still a clear case of canvassing. <a href="/wiki/User:Alaexis" title="User:Alaexis">Alaexis</a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alaexis" title="User talk:Alaexis">¿question?</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Alaexis-20241107225700-Alaexis-20241107215000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alaexis-20241107225700-Alaexis-20241107215000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alaexis-20241107225700-Alaexis-20241107215000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Floq" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Floq-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107220800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Floq-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107220800"></span>Statement by Floq<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Floq-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107220800"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Floquenbeam-20241107220800-Statement_by_Floq"></span>Wait, what? I usually stay a minimum of 50 yards away from anything to do with Israel/Palestine, but I took a quick glance at this for some reason. I'm amazed. You can make serious public accusations based on private evidence? I'm pretty surprised this hasn't already been removed by an arb or a clerk, possibly even rev-del'd, and BM maybe arbcom banned at least until they acknowledge they can't do this in the future. At least told in no uncertain terms to file this privately. You want to use private evidence, file a private case, and let arbcom figure out how to handle it. If this was any other forum, like AN/ANI, I'd likely have already personally removed this, rev-deled it, and indef blocked BM with no talk page access. --I guess arbcom's glacial pace means BM has found a loophole. <a href="/wiki/User:Floquenbeam" title="User:Floquenbeam">Floquenbeam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Floquenbeam" title="User talk:Floquenbeam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Floquenbeam-20241107220800-Statement_by_Floq" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Floquenbeam-20241107220800-Statement_by_Floq"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Floquenbeam-20241107220800-Statement_by_Floq"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Floquenbeam-20241107224200-Floquenbeam-20241107220800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Chess" title="User:Chess">Chess</a>:</span> "Do your own research" isn't really how ArbCom operates. We can't make public accusations and then refer to "Private Evidence A-O". Even if the evidence is also on Twitter. --<a href="/wiki/User:Floquenbeam" title="User:Floquenbeam">Floquenbeam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Floquenbeam" title="User talk:Floquenbeam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Floquenbeam-20241107224200-Floquenbeam-20241107220800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Floquenbeam-20241107224200-Floquenbeam-20241107220800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Floquenbeam-20241107224200-Floquenbeam-20241107220800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_DatGuy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_DatGuy-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107220900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_DatGuy-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107220900"></span>Statement by DatGuy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_DatGuy-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241107220900"></span></h3></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DatGuy-20241107220900-Statement_by_DatGuy"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Alaexis" title="User:Alaexis">Alaexis</a>:</span> I don't see how your linked video holds any relevance to this case at all. The (albeit limited) blurbs displayed at your linked timestamp don't reveal any disallowed Wikipedia behaviour. There's also no mention of canvassing. <a href="/wiki/User:DatGuy" title="User:DatGuy">DatGuy</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DatGuy" title="User talk:DatGuy">Talk</a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/DatGuy" title="Special:Contributions/DatGuy">Contribs</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-DatGuy-20241107220900-Statement_by_DatGuy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DatGuy-20241107220900-Statement_by_DatGuy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DatGuy-20241107220900-Statement_by_DatGuy"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Sean.hoyland" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108043700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108043700"></span>Statement by Sean.hoyland<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108043700"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean.hoyland-20241108043700-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland"></span>re: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Jpesch95" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jpesch95">Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jpesch95</a>, a timeline for their ban evasion accounts is available <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/14l7M1Xtlu4A_G78oShpWFYKnDUYDPlzJ/view?usp=sharing">here</a> for interest. Since they appear to operate multiple accounts in parallel, I assume there may be some undetected accounts out there. <a href="/wiki/User:Sean.hoyland" title="User:Sean.hoyland">Sean.hoyland</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean.hoyland" title="User talk:Sean.hoyland">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Sean.hoyland-20241108043700-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean.hoyland-20241108043700-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean.hoyland-20241108043700-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_LilianaUwU" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_LilianaUwU-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108083400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_LilianaUwU-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108083400"></span>Statement by LilianaUwU<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_LilianaUwU-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108083400"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LilianaUwU-20241108083400-Statement_by_LilianaUwU"></span>I thought private evidence was supposed to be private? No but seriously, this is worrisome that BilledMammal could just basically post private evidence without posting it. I think a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOOMERANG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOOMERANG">boomerang</a> is in order. <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:LilianaUwU" title="User:LilianaUwU"><span style="font-family:default;color:#246BCE;">Liliana</span><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#FF1493;">UwU</span></a></b></i> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LilianaUwU" title="User talk:LilianaUwU">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/LilianaUwU" title="Special:Contributions/LilianaUwU">contributions</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-LilianaUwU-20241108083400-Statement_by_LilianaUwU" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LilianaUwU-20241108083400-Statement_by_LilianaUwU"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LilianaUwU-20241108083400-Statement_by_LilianaUwU"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_berchanhimez" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_berchanhimez-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108111800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_berchanhimez-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108111800"></span>Statement by berchanhimez<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_berchanhimez-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108111800"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Berchanhimez-20241108111800-Statement_by_berchanhimez"></span>I see nowhere in the arbitration guide or procedures that's immediately visible that prohibits someone who submits private evidence to the Arbitration Committee during the process of requesting a case from posting their own summary of that evidence publicly (in line with policies on Outing, of course). To quote <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:A/G" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:A/G">WP:A/G</a>, which seems like the place that should be, <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Requests for an arbitration case are made on the "Case" subpage. Other types of requests, usually in relation to cases which have already been closed, are instead made at the "Clarifications and Amendments" subpage.</q> Nowhere does it say that an editor wishing for a case to be opened based primarily or solely on private evidence must only submit that evidence to the Committee and not post anything publicly about such request. </p><p>In fact, if there <i>were</i> a prohibition on making a public case request solely based on private evidence, it would hinder the ability of <i>other editors</i> who may have their <i>own</i> private evidence from knowing "hey, this is a good time to submit my evidence to the Committee, since they already have some other evidence from someone else". Further, it hinders the ability of the "defendant(s)" in the case to respond, as they would not be aware that an editor has submitted private evidence to the Committee. There are multiple aspects of the Arbitration process that are exempt from policies/procedures that apply elsewhere on Wikipedia. I believe BilledMammal has made the accusations in this case request <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">in good faith</a> and that the evidence they have submitted privately to the Committee is, at least at face value, in partial or full support of the accusations they've made. </p><p><b>Regardless</b>, there should be no boomerang from publicly posting this case request. The Arbitration Committee should clarify what a user submitting a case request based <i>solely</i> or <i>in large part</i> on private information should post publicly - but they should ensure that <b>any</b> case requested, even one based solely on private information, at a minimum is able to have a summary of the accusations and the accused party/parties posted publicly. Whether this is done by the person reporting the private evidence or the Committee themselves is up for debate - but it should not be possible to submit private evidence against users and the first they hear of it is a private case being opened against them. Nor should it be possible for a private case to be refused just because <i>one</i> editor's information submitted is insufficient, without other concerned editors being given a <i>public</i> notice that there is consideration of evidence in a matter to be afforded an opportunity to submit their own. </p><p>Respectfully, -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | <a href="/wiki/User:Berchanhimez" title="User:Berchanhimez">me</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Berchanhimez" title="User talk:Berchanhimez">talk to me!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Berchanhimez-20241108111800-Statement_by_berchanhimez" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Berchanhimez-20241108111800-Statement_by_berchanhimez"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Berchanhimez-20241108111800-Statement_by_berchanhimez"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Ivanvector" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Ivanvector-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108151600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Ivanvector-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108151600"></span>Statement by Ivanvector<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Ivanvector-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108151600"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ivanvector-20241108151600-Statement_by_Ivanvector"></span>I encourage the committee and the community to consider how repeatedly turning away new editors from participating in open discussions here, by way of goalpost-moving ARBECR enforcement creep, naturally leads to the consequence of those new editors coordinating off-wiki. Perhaps, rather than expanding the creep into literally doxxing those editors (which I agree ought to have been met with a sanction), a review of that provision is what's needed here. <a href="/wiki/User:Ivanvector" title="User:Ivanvector">Ivanvector</a> (<sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ivanvector" title="User talk:Ivanvector">Talk</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ivanvector" title="Special:Contributions/Ivanvector">Edits</a></sub>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Ivanvector-20241108151600-Statement_by_Ivanvector" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ivanvector-20241108151600-Statement_by_Ivanvector"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ivanvector-20241108151600-Statement_by_Ivanvector"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Carrite" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Carrite-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108160300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Carrite-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108160300"></span>Statement by <a href="/wiki/User:Carrite" title="User:Carrite">Carrite</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Carrite-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108160300"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Carrite-20241108160300-Statement_by_Carrite"></span>It's time for Arbcom to put its foot down on this secret denunciations nonsense. If there's a case, make your case <i>publicly</i> should be the rule. Casting public aspersions based on secret denunciations is galling and should be dealt with harshly. <a href="/wiki/User:Carrite" title="User:Carrite">Carrite</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Carrite" title="User talk:Carrite">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Carrite-20241108160300-Statement_by_Carrite" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Carrite-20241108160300-Statement_by_Carrite"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Carrite-20241108160300-Statement_by_Carrite"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Thryduulf" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Thryduulf-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108191300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Thryduulf-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108191300"></span>Statement by Thryduulf<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Thryduulf-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108191300"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-20241108191300-Statement_by_Thryduulf"></span>I think the best way forward for case requests based on private evidence in the future would be something like: </p> <ul><li>Step 1: Filer sends evidence privately to ArbCom</li> <li>Step 2: Filer opens a public case request with only <ul><li>A neutral title (e.g. "canvassing and proxying in the Israel-Arab conflict topic area") that does not include the names of any editors</li> <li>Themself as the only party</li> <li>A statement that they have submitted private evidence about this to the Arbitration Committee, with enough context that the Committee knows whether they have received all of it. e.g. "there are 6 emails with subject lines starting "Private case request")</li></ul></li> <li>Step 3: An arbitrator confirms whether they have received (all) the evidence</li> <li>Step 4: After a short period of time, the Arbitration Committee public state either that it is clear there is no case and dismisses the request, clear there will be a case (see below), or that it is unclear and it is still being discussed (internally, with the filer and/or with proposed parties as appropriate). If it is unclear and further evidence from other editors might help, this should be explicitly solicited at this point.</li> <li>Step 5: If there is to be a case, the Committee posts as much as they can publicly, alongside details of case structure, etc.</li></ul> <p>This would seem to allow for as much transparency as possible without outing or casting aspersions. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Thryduulf-20241108191300-Statement_by_Thryduulf" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-20241108191300-Statement_by_Thryduulf"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-20241108191300-Statement_by_Thryduulf"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Just_Step_Sideways" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Just_Step_Sideways-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108194300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Just_Step_Sideways-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108194300"></span>Statement by Just Step Sideways<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Just_Step_Sideways-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241108194300"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241108194300-Statement_by_Just_Step_Sideways"></span>I have to agree with what Floq, Kevin, and others have said about what is going on here. These are extremely serious allegations based on private evidence. There should not be a public case where a user can publicly make such accusations when they can't publicly back them up. Take the case against me as an example: all that evidence was private, so a case was had in private. To this day I <i>don't even know who asked for it</i>, that's how private it was, and I was still on the main mailing list at the time. This request should be shelved and BM reprimanded for proceeding in this manner. Reprimand yourselves for letting it go on this long while you're at it. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User talk:Just Step Sideways"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241108194300-Statement_by_Just_Step_Sideways" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241108194300-Statement_by_Just_Step_Sideways"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241108194300-Statement_by_Just_Step_Sideways"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_{Non-party}" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_{Non-party}-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"><span id="Statement_by_.7BNon-party.7D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_{Non-party}-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"></span>Statement by {Non-party}<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_{Non-party}-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"></span></h3></div> <p>Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_Israel-Arab_Conflict:_Clerk_notes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_Israel-Arab_Conflict:_Clerk_notes-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_Israel-Arab_Conflict:_Clerk_notes-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"></span>Covert canvassing and proxying in Israel-Arab Conflict: Clerk notes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_Israel-Arab_Conflict:_Clerk_notes-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area"></span></h3></div> <dl><dd><i>This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).</i></dd></dl> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_Israel-Arab_Conflict:_Arbitrators'_opinion_on_hearing_this_matter_<0/0/0>" data-mw-thread-id="h-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_Israel-Arab_Conflict:_Arbitrators'_opinion_on-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106051900"><span id="Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_Israel-Arab_Conflict:_Arbitrators.27_opinion_on_hearing_this_matter_.3C0.2F0.2F0.3E"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_Israel-Arab_Conflict:_Arbitrators'_opinion_on-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106051900"></span>Covert canvassing and proxying in Israel-Arab Conflict: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/0/0><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_Israel-Arab_Conflict:_Arbitrators'_opinion_on-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area-20241106051900"></span></h3></div> <p><span class="anchor" id="Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_Israel-Arab_Conflict:_Arbitrators'_opinion_on_hearing_this_matter"></span><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CaptainEek-20241106051900-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_Israel-Arab_Conflict:_Arbitrators'_opinion_on"></span>Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)</small> </p> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> I assume that you will email us this private evidence? <a href="/wiki/User:CaptainEek" title="User:CaptainEek"><b style="color:#6a1f7f">CaptainEek</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CaptainEek" title="User talk:CaptainEek"><i style="font-size:82%; color:#a479e5">Edits Ho Cap'n!</i></a></sup><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CaptainEek" title="Special:Contributions/CaptainEek">⚓</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-CaptainEek-20241106051900-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_Israel-Arab_Conflict:_Arbitrators'_opinion_on" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CaptainEek-20241106051900-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_Israel-Arab_Conflict:_Arbitrators'_opinion_on"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CaptainEek-20241106051900-Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_Israel-Arab_Conflict:_Arbitrators'_opinion_on"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CaptainEek-20241106053700-CaptainEek-20241106051900"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> I take it you're referring to the email dating from July? I can't say that you have that email lined up nicely with "private evidence A, B, C" and so on. Or have you just sent something? <a href="/wiki/User:CaptainEek" title="User:CaptainEek"><b style="color:#6a1f7f">CaptainEek</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CaptainEek" title="User talk:CaptainEek"><i style="font-size:82%; color:#a479e5">Edits Ho Cap'n!</i></a></sup><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CaptainEek" title="Special:Contributions/CaptainEek">⚓</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-CaptainEek-20241106053700-CaptainEek-20241106051900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CaptainEek-20241106053700-CaptainEek-20241106051900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CaptainEek-20241106053700-CaptainEek-20241106051900"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-20241107173500-CaptainEek-20241106051900"></span>I am troubled by the process here. Ordinarily, it is impermissible to cast aspersions on editors, as documented at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ASPERSIONS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ASPERSIONS">WP:ASPERSIONS</a> and as grounded in policy at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPA">WP:NPA</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">WP:AGF</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIV">WP:CIV</a>. I am concerned that @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a>'s reliance on off-wiki evidence to make public, on-wiki accusations of misconduct, without any finding by the Committee that such misconduct did in fact occur, is inconsistent with those policies. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> There's a reason that the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBPOL#Admissibility_of_evidence" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBPOL">arbitration policy</a> explicitly provides that <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">Evidence based on private communications (including, but not limited to, other websites, forums, chat rooms, IRC logs, email correspondence) is admissible <b>only by prior consent of the Committee and only in exceptional circumstances</b>.</q> (emphasis added). The "consent of the Committee" is required because the Committee is the body charged with adjudicating disputes involving privacy implications, and it can unjustifiably besmirch someone's reputation to accuse them publicly of misconduct in reliance on evidence that they cannot see and cannot reasonably or fairly respond to. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> I suggest that we close this public case request as out of process. In the event that the Committee opts to take action on BilledMammal's private submissions, it can then fashion the appropriate process, such as a shell case for in camera proceedings with a public final decision, as the committee held in <i>Stephen</i> (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Stephen#Motion:_Stephen_(case_request)" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Stephen">motion</a>), or a hybrid public-private case like the committee held in <i>Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara’s block</i> (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversal_and_reinstatement_of_Athaenara%27s_block#Motion:_Reversal_and_reinstatement_of_Athaenara’s_block" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block">motion</a>). Best, <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">KevinL</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#c-L235-20241107173500-CaptainEek-20241106051900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-20241107173500-CaptainEek-20241106051900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-20241107173500-CaptainEek-20241106051900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-20241107180000-L235-20241107173500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano">Jéské Couriano</a>: My objection is to using this case request to post accusations that would be inappropriate to post anywhere else based only on private evidence. If the Committee finds merit to the submission of off-wiki evidence, it is in the right position to fashion the appropriate process. In my term on the committee I've heard a number of cases involving off-wiki evidence, including both entirely-private proceedings and proceedings with a public component, so that's not the part I'm hung up on. 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