CINXE.COM

<!DOCTYPE html> <html class="client-nojs vector-feature-language-in-header-enabled vector-feature-language-in-main-page-header-disabled vector-feature-sticky-header-disabled vector-feature-page-tools-pinned-disabled vector-feature-toc-pinned-clientpref-1 vector-feature-main-menu-pinned-disabled vector-feature-limited-width-clientpref-1 vector-feature-limited-width-content-enabled vector-feature-custom-font-size-clientpref-1 vector-feature-appearance-pinned-clientpref-1 vector-feature-night-mode-enabled skin-theme-clientpref-day vector-toc-available" lang="en" dir="ltr"> <head> <meta charset="UTF-8"> <title>Talk:Udasi - Wikipedia</title> <script>(function(){var className="client-js vector-feature-language-in-header-enabled vector-feature-language-in-main-page-header-disabled vector-feature-sticky-header-disabled vector-feature-page-tools-pinned-disabled vector-feature-toc-pinned-clientpref-1 vector-feature-main-menu-pinned-disabled vector-feature-limited-width-clientpref-1 vector-feature-limited-width-content-enabled vector-feature-custom-font-size-clientpref-1 vector-feature-appearance-pinned-clientpref-1 vector-feature-night-mode-enabled skin-theme-clientpref-day vector-toc-available";var cookie=document.cookie.match(/(?:^|; )enwikimwclientpreferences=([^;]+)/);if(cookie){cookie[1].split('%2C').forEach(function(pref){className=className.replace(new RegExp('(^| )'+pref.replace(/-clientpref-\w+$|[^\w-]+/g,'')+'-clientpref-\\w+( |$)'),'$1'+pref+'$2');});}document.documentElement.className=className;}());RLCONF={"wgBreakFrames":false,"wgSeparatorTransformTable":["",""],"wgDigitTransformTable":["",""],"wgDefaultDateFormat":"dmy", "wgMonthNames":["","January","February","March","April","May","June","July","August","September","October","November","December"],"wgRequestId":"1e0829e6-853c-4650-a775-92b5290f465f","wgCanonicalNamespace":"Talk","wgCanonicalSpecialPageName":false,"wgNamespaceNumber":1,"wgPageName":"Talk:Udasi","wgTitle":"Udasi","wgCurRevisionId":1200530255,"wgRevisionId":1200530255,"wgArticleId":21188216,"wgIsArticle":true,"wgIsRedirect":false,"wgAction":"view","wgUserName":null,"wgUserGroups":["*"],"wgCategories":["Start-Class India articles","Mid-importance India articles","Start-Class India articles of Mid-importance","WikiProject India articles","Start-Class Religion articles","Unknown-importance Religion articles","WikiProject Religion articles"],"wgPageViewLanguage":"en","wgPageContentLanguage":"en","wgPageContentModel":"wikitext","wgRelevantPageName":"Talk:Udasi","wgRelevantArticleId":21188216,"wgIsProbablyEditable":true,"wgRelevantPageIsProbablyEditable":true,"wgRestrictionEdit":[], "wgRestrictionMove":[],"wgNoticeProject":"wikipedia","wgCiteReferencePreviewsActive":false,"wgFlaggedRevsParams":{"tags":{"status":{"levels":1}}},"wgMediaViewerOnClick":true,"wgMediaViewerEnabledByDefault":true,"wgPopupsFlags":0,"wgVisualEditor":{"pageLanguageCode":"en","pageLanguageDir":"ltr","pageVariantFallbacks":"en"},"wgMFDisplayWikibaseDescriptions":{"search":true,"watchlist":true,"tagline":false,"nearby":true},"wgWMESchemaEditAttemptStepOversample":false,"wgWMEPageLength":10000,"wgRelatedArticlesCompat":[],"wgCentralAuthMobileDomain":false,"wgEditSubmitButtonLabelPublish":true,"wgDiscussionToolsFeaturesEnabled":{"replytool":true,"newtopictool":true,"sourcemodetoolbar":true,"topicsubscription":false,"autotopicsub":false,"visualenhancements":false,"visualenhancements_reply":false,"visualenhancements_pageframe":false},"wgDiscussionToolsFallbackEditMode":"source","wgULSPosition":"interlanguage","wgULSisCompactLinksEnabled":false,"wgVector2022LanguageInHeader":true, "wgULSisLanguageSelectorEmpty":true,"wgCheckUserClientHintsHeadersJsApi":["brands","architecture","bitness","fullVersionList","mobile","model","platform","platformVersion"],"GEHomepageSuggestedEditsEnableTopics":true,"wgGETopicsMatchModeEnabled":false,"wgGEStructuredTaskRejectionReasonTextInputEnabled":false,"wgGELevelingUpEnabledForUser":false};RLSTATE={"ext.globalCssJs.user.styles":"ready","site.styles":"ready","user.styles":"ready","ext.globalCssJs.user":"ready","user":"ready","user.options":"loading","ext.discussionTools.init.styles":"ready","oojs-ui-core.styles":"ready","oojs-ui.styles.indicators":"ready","mediawiki.widgets.styles":"ready","oojs-ui-core.icons":"ready","skins.vector.search.codex.styles":"ready","skins.vector.styles":"ready","skins.vector.icons":"ready","jquery.makeCollapsible.styles":"ready","ext.wikimediamessages.styles":"ready","ext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.noscript":"ready","ext.uls.interlanguage":"ready","ext.wikimediaBadges":"ready"};RLPAGEMODULES=[ "site","mediawiki.page.ready","jquery.makeCollapsible","skins.vector.js","ext.centralNotice.geoIP","ext.centralNotice.startUp","ext.gadget.ReferenceTooltips","ext.gadget.switcher","ext.urlShortener.toolbar","ext.centralauth.centralautologin","mmv.bootstrap","ext.popups","ext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.init","ext.visualEditor.targetLoader","ext.echo.centralauth","ext.discussionTools.init","ext.eventLogging","ext.wikimediaEvents","ext.navigationTiming","ext.uls.interface","ext.cx.eventlogging.campaigns","ext.checkUser.clientHints","ext.growthExperiments.SuggestedEditSession"];</script> <script>(RLQ=window.RLQ||[]).push(function(){mw.loader.impl(function(){return["user.options@12s5i",function($,jQuery,require,module){mw.user.tokens.set({"patrolToken":"+\\","watchToken":"+\\","csrfToken":"+\\"}); }];});});</script> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/w/load.php?lang=en&modules=ext.discussionTools.init.styles%7Cext.uls.interlanguage%7Cext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.noscript%7Cext.wikimediaBadges%7Cext.wikimediamessages.styles%7Cjquery.makeCollapsible.styles%7Cmediawiki.widgets.styles%7Coojs-ui-core.icons%2Cstyles%7Coojs-ui.styles.indicators%7Cskins.vector.icons%2Cstyles%7Cskins.vector.search.codex.styles&only=styles&skin=vector-2022"> <script async="" src="/w/load.php?lang=en&modules=startup&only=scripts&raw=1&skin=vector-2022"></script> <meta name="ResourceLoaderDynamicStyles" content=""> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/w/load.php?lang=en&modules=site.styles&only=styles&skin=vector-2022"> <meta name="generator" content="MediaWiki 1.44.0-wmf.4"> <meta name="referrer" content="origin"> <meta name="referrer" content="origin-when-cross-origin"> <meta name="robots" content="max-image-preview:standard"> <meta name="format-detection" content="telephone=no"> <meta name="viewport" content="width=1120"> <meta property="og:title" content="Talk:Udasi - Wikipedia"> <meta property="og:type" content="website"> <link rel="preconnect" href="//upload.wikimedia.org"> <link rel="alternate" media="only screen and (max-width: 640px)" href="//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Udasi"> <link rel="alternate" type="application/x-wiki" title="Edit this page" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Udasi&action=edit"> <link rel="apple-touch-icon" href="/static/apple-touch/wikipedia.png"> <link rel="icon" href="/static/favicon/wikipedia.ico"> <link rel="search" type="application/opensearchdescription+xml" href="/w/rest.php/v1/search" title="Wikipedia (en)"> <link rel="EditURI" type="application/rsd+xml" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=rsd"> <link rel="canonical" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Udasi"> <link rel="license" href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en"> <link rel="alternate" type="application/atom+xml" title="Wikipedia Atom feed" href="/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=atom"> <link rel="dns-prefetch" href="//meta.wikimedia.org" /> <link rel="dns-prefetch" href="//login.wikimedia.org"> </head> <body class="ext-discussiontools-replytool-enabled ext-discussiontools-newtopictool-enabled ext-discussiontools-sourcemodetoolbar-enabled skin--responsive skin-vector skin-vector-search-vue mediawiki ltr sitedir-ltr mw-hide-empty-elt ns-1 ns-talk mw-editable page-Talk_Udasi rootpage-Talk_Udasi skin-vector-2022 action-view"><a class="mw-jump-link" href="#bodyContent">Jump to content</a> <div class="vector-header-container"> <header class="vector-header mw-header"> <div class="vector-header-start"> <nav class="vector-main-menu-landmark" aria-label="Site"> <div id="vector-main-menu-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown vector-main-menu-dropdown vector-button-flush-left vector-button-flush-right" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-main-menu-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-main-menu-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Main menu" > <label id="vector-main-menu-dropdown-label" for="vector-main-menu-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only " aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-menu mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-menu"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Main menu</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="vector-main-menu-unpinned-container" class="vector-unpinned-container"> <div id="vector-main-menu" class="vector-main-menu vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-main-menu-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-unpinned" data-feature-name="main-menu-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-main-menu" data-pinned-container-id="vector-main-menu-pinned-container" data-unpinned-container-id="vector-main-menu-unpinned-container" > <div class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Main menu</div> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-main-menu.pin">move to sidebar</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-main-menu.unpin">hide</button> </div> <div id="p-navigation" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-navigation" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Navigation </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="n-mainpage-description" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Main_Page" title="Visit the main page [z]" accesskey="z"><span>Main page</span></a></li><li id="n-contents" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contents" title="Guides to browsing Wikipedia"><span>Contents</span></a></li><li id="n-currentevents" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Portal:Current_events" title="Articles related to current events"><span>Current events</span></a></li><li id="n-randompage" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Special:Random" title="Visit a randomly selected article [x]" accesskey="x"><span>Random article</span></a></li><li id="n-aboutsite" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:About" title="Learn about Wikipedia and how it works"><span>About Wikipedia</span></a></li><li id="n-contactpage" class="mw-list-item"><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us" title="How to contact Wikipedia"><span>Contact us</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-interaction" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-interaction" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Contribute </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="n-help" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Help:Contents" title="Guidance on how to use and edit Wikipedia"><span>Help</span></a></li><li id="n-introduction" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction" title="Learn how to edit Wikipedia"><span>Learn to edit</span></a></li><li id="n-portal" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal" title="The hub for editors"><span>Community portal</span></a></li><li id="n-recentchanges" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Special:RecentChanges" title="A list of recent changes to Wikipedia [r]" accesskey="r"><span>Recent changes</span></a></li><li id="n-upload" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:File_upload_wizard" title="Add images or other media for use on Wikipedia"><span>Upload file</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </nav> <a href="/wiki/Main_Page" class="mw-logo"> <img class="mw-logo-icon" src="/static/images/icons/wikipedia.png" alt="" aria-hidden="true" height="50" width="50"> <span class="mw-logo-container skin-invert"> <img class="mw-logo-wordmark" alt="Wikipedia" src="/static/images/mobile/copyright/wikipedia-wordmark-en.svg" style="width: 7.5em; height: 1.125em;"> <img class="mw-logo-tagline" alt="The Free Encyclopedia" src="/static/images/mobile/copyright/wikipedia-tagline-en.svg" width="117" height="13" style="width: 7.3125em; height: 0.8125em;"> </span> </a> </div> <div class="vector-header-end"> <div id="p-search" role="search" class="vector-search-box-vue vector-search-box-collapses vector-search-box-show-thumbnail vector-search-box-auto-expand-width vector-search-box"> <a href="/wiki/Special:Search" class="cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only search-toggle" title="Search Wikipedia [f]" accesskey="f"><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-search mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-search"></span> <span>Search</span> </a> <div class="vector-typeahead-search-container"> <div class="cdx-typeahead-search cdx-typeahead-search--show-thumbnail cdx-typeahead-search--auto-expand-width"> <form action="/w/index.php" id="searchform" class="cdx-search-input cdx-search-input--has-end-button"> <div id="simpleSearch" class="cdx-search-input__input-wrapper" data-search-loc="header-moved"> <div class="cdx-text-input cdx-text-input--has-start-icon"> <input class="cdx-text-input__input" type="search" name="search" placeholder="Search Wikipedia" aria-label="Search Wikipedia" autocapitalize="sentences" title="Search Wikipedia [f]" accesskey="f" id="searchInput" > <span class="cdx-text-input__icon cdx-text-input__start-icon"></span> </div> <input type="hidden" name="title" value="Special:Search"> </div> <button class="cdx-button cdx-search-input__end-button">Search</button> </form> </div> </div> </div> <nav class="vector-user-links vector-user-links-wide" aria-label="Personal tools"> <div class="vector-user-links-main"> <div id="p-vector-user-menu-preferences" class="vector-menu mw-portlet emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-vector-user-menu-userpage" class="vector-menu mw-portlet emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> <nav class="vector-appearance-landmark" aria-label="Appearance"> <div id="vector-appearance-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown " title="Change the appearance of the page's font size, width, and color" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-appearance-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-appearance-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Appearance" > <label id="vector-appearance-dropdown-label" for="vector-appearance-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only " aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-appearance mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-appearance"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Appearance</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="vector-appearance-unpinned-container" class="vector-unpinned-container"> </div> </div> </div> </nav> <div id="p-vector-user-menu-notifications" class="vector-menu mw-portlet emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-vector-user-menu-overflow" class="vector-menu mw-portlet" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="pt-sitesupport-2" class="user-links-collapsible-item mw-list-item user-links-collapsible-item"><a data-mw="interface" href="https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserRedirector?utm_source=donate&utm_medium=sidebar&utm_campaign=C13_en.wikipedia.org&uselang=en" class=""><span>Donate</span></a> </li> <li id="pt-createaccount-2" class="user-links-collapsible-item mw-list-item user-links-collapsible-item"><a data-mw="interface" href="/w/index.php?title=Special:CreateAccount&returnto=Talk%3AUdasi" title="You are encouraged to create an account and log in; however, it is not mandatory" class=""><span>Create account</span></a> </li> <li id="pt-login-2" class="user-links-collapsible-item mw-list-item user-links-collapsible-item"><a data-mw="interface" href="/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Talk%3AUdasi" title="You're encouraged to log in; however, it's not mandatory. [o]" accesskey="o" class=""><span>Log in</span></a> </li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> <div id="vector-user-links-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown vector-user-menu vector-button-flush-right vector-user-menu-logged-out" title="Log in and more options" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-user-links-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-user-links-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Personal tools" > <label id="vector-user-links-dropdown-label" for="vector-user-links-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only " aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-ellipsis mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-ellipsis"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Personal tools</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="p-personal" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-personal user-links-collapsible-item" title="User menu" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="pt-sitesupport" class="user-links-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserRedirector?utm_source=donate&utm_medium=sidebar&utm_campaign=C13_en.wikipedia.org&uselang=en"><span>Donate</span></a></li><li id="pt-createaccount" class="user-links-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:CreateAccount&returnto=Talk%3AUdasi" title="You are encouraged to create an account and log in; however, it is not mandatory"><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-userAdd mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-userAdd"></span> <span>Create account</span></a></li><li id="pt-login" class="user-links-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Talk%3AUdasi" title="You're encouraged to log in; however, it's not mandatory. [o]" accesskey="o"><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-logIn mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-logIn"></span> <span>Log in</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-user-menu-anon-editor" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-user-menu-anon-editor" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Pages for logged out editors <a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction" aria-label="Learn more about editing"><span>learn more</span></a> </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="pt-anoncontribs" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Special:MyContributions" title="A list of edits made from this IP address [y]" accesskey="y"><span>Contributions</span></a></li><li id="pt-anontalk" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Special:MyTalk" title="Discussion about edits from this IP address [n]" accesskey="n"><span>Talk</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </header> </div> <div class="mw-page-container"> <div class="mw-page-container-inner"> <div class="vector-sitenotice-container"> <div id="siteNotice"></div> </div> <div class="vector-column-start"> <div class="vector-main-menu-container"> <div id="mw-navigation"> <nav id="mw-panel" class="vector-main-menu-landmark" aria-label="Site"> <div id="vector-main-menu-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div class="vector-sticky-pinned-container"> <nav id="mw-panel-toc" aria-label="Contents" data-event-name="ui.sidebar-toc" class="mw-table-of-contents-container vector-toc-landmark"> <div id="vector-toc-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> <div id="vector-toc" class="vector-toc vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-toc-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-pinned" data-feature-name="toc-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-toc" > <h2 class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Contents</h2> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-toc.pin">move to sidebar</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-toc.unpin">hide</button> </div> <ul class="vector-toc-contents" id="mw-panel-toc-list"> <li id="toc-mw-content-text" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a href="#" class="vector-toc-link"> <div class="vector-toc-text">(Top)</div> </a> </li> <li id="toc-As_this_page_is_dedicated_to_a_Religion,_one_that_is_not_Sikhism,_I_feel_it_is_important_we_listen_to_voices_of_the_Udasin." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#As_this_page_is_dedicated_to_a_Religion,_one_that_is_not_Sikhism,_I_feel_it_is_important_we_listen_to_voices_of_the_Udasin."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1</span> <span>As this page is dedicated to a Religion, one that is not Sikhism, I feel it is important we listen to voices of the Udasin.</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-As_this_page_is_dedicated_to_a_Religion,_one_that_is_not_Sikhism,_I_feel_it_is_important_we_listen_to_voices_of_the_Udasin.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Requested_move_30_May_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Requested_move_30_May_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2</span> <span>Requested move 30 May 2021</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Requested_move_30_May_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div class="mw-content-container"> <main id="content" class="mw-body"> <header class="mw-body-header vector-page-titlebar"> <nav aria-label="Contents" class="vector-toc-landmark"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-titlebar-toc vector-button-flush-left" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Toggle the table of contents" > <label id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-label" for="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only " aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-listBullet mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-listBullet"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Toggle the table of contents</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-unpinned-container" class="vector-unpinned-container"> </div> </div> </div> </nav> <h1 id="firstHeading" class="firstHeading mw-first-heading"><span class="mw-page-title-namespace">Talk</span><span class="mw-page-title-separator">:</span><span class="mw-page-title-main">Udasi</span></h1> <div id="p-lang-btn" class="vector-dropdown mw-portlet mw-portlet-lang mw-portlet-lang-icon-only" > <input type="checkbox" id="p-lang-btn-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-p-lang-btn" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox mw-interlanguage-selector-empty" aria-label="This article exist only in this language. Add the article for other languages" > <label id="p-lang-btn-label" for="p-lang-btn-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only mw-portlet-lang-heading-empty" aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-language mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-language"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Add languages</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div class="mw-portlet-empty-language-selector-body"> Page contents not supported in other languages. </div> </div> </div> </header> <div class="vector-page-toolbar"> <div class="vector-page-toolbar-container"> <div id="left-navigation"> <nav aria-label="Namespaces"> <div id="p-associated-pages" class="vector-menu vector-menu-tabs mw-portlet mw-portlet-associated-pages" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-nstab-main" class="vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Udasi" title="View the content page [c]" accesskey="c"><span>Article</span></a></li><li id="ca-talk" class="selected vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Talk:Udasi" rel="discussion" title="Discuss improvements to the content page [t]" accesskey="t"><span>Talk</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="vector-variants-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown emptyPortlet" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-variants-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-variants-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Change language variant" > <label id="vector-variants-dropdown-label" for="vector-variants-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet" aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">English</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="p-variants" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-variants emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> <div id="right-navigation" class="vector-collapsible"> <nav aria-label="Views"> <div id="p-views" class="vector-menu vector-menu-tabs mw-portlet mw-portlet-views" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-view" class="selected vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Talk:Udasi"><span>Read</span></a></li><li id="ca-edit" class="istalk vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Udasi&action=edit" title="Edit this page [e]" accesskey="e"><span>Edit</span></a></li><li id="ca-addsection" class="vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Udasi&action=edit&section=new" title="Start a new section [+]" accesskey="+"><span>Add topic</span></a></li><li id="ca-history" class="vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Udasi&action=history" title="Past revisions of this page [h]" accesskey="h"><span>View history</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> <nav class="vector-page-tools-landmark" aria-label="Page tools"> <div id="vector-page-tools-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-tools-dropdown" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-page-tools-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-page-tools-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Tools" > <label id="vector-page-tools-dropdown-label" for="vector-page-tools-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet" aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Tools</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="vector-page-tools-unpinned-container" class="vector-unpinned-container"> <div id="vector-page-tools" class="vector-page-tools vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-page-tools-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-unpinned" data-feature-name="page-tools-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-page-tools" data-pinned-container-id="vector-page-tools-pinned-container" data-unpinned-container-id="vector-page-tools-unpinned-container" > <div class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Tools</div> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-page-tools.pin">move to sidebar</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-page-tools.unpin">hide</button> </div> <div id="p-cactions" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-cactions emptyPortlet vector-has-collapsible-items" title="More options" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Actions </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-more-view" class="selected vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Talk:Udasi"><span>Read</span></a></li><li id="ca-more-edit" class="istalk vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Udasi&action=edit" title="Edit this page [e]" accesskey="e"><span>Edit</span></a></li><li id="ca-more-addsection" class="vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Udasi&action=edit&section=new"><span>Add topic</span></a></li><li id="ca-more-history" class="vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Udasi&action=history"><span>View history</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-tb" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-tb" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> General </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="t-whatlinkshere" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Talk:Udasi" title="List of all English Wikipedia pages containing links to this page [j]" accesskey="j"><span>What links here</span></a></li><li id="t-recentchangeslinked" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Talk:Udasi" rel="nofollow" title="Recent changes in pages linked from this page [k]" accesskey="k"><span>Related changes</span></a></li><li id="t-upload" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard" title="Upload files [u]" accesskey="u"><span>Upload file</span></a></li><li id="t-specialpages" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Special:SpecialPages" title="A list of all special pages [q]" accesskey="q"><span>Special pages</span></a></li><li id="t-permalink" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Udasi&oldid=1200530255" title="Permanent link to this revision of this page"><span>Permanent link</span></a></li><li id="t-info" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Udasi&action=info" title="More information about this page"><span>Page information</span></a></li><li id="t-urlshortener" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:UrlShortener&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTalk%3AUdasi"><span>Get shortened URL</span></a></li><li id="t-urlshortener-qrcode" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:QrCode&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTalk%3AUdasi"><span>Download QR code</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-coll-print_export" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-coll-print_export" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Print/export </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="coll-download-as-rl" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:DownloadAsPdf&page=Talk%3AUdasi&action=show-download-screen" title="Download this page as a PDF file"><span>Download as PDF</span></a></li><li id="t-print" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Udasi&printable=yes" title="Printable version of this page [p]" accesskey="p"><span>Printable version</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-wikibase-otherprojects" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-wikibase-otherprojects emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> In other projects </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vector-column-end"> <div class="vector-sticky-pinned-container"> <nav class="vector-page-tools-landmark" aria-label="Page tools"> <div id="vector-page-tools-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> </div> </nav> <nav class="vector-appearance-landmark" aria-label="Appearance"> <div id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> <div id="vector-appearance" class="vector-appearance vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-appearance-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-pinned" data-feature-name="appearance-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-appearance" data-pinned-container-id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" data-unpinned-container-id="vector-appearance-unpinned-container" > <div class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Appearance</div> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.pin">move to sidebar</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.unpin">hide</button> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div id="bodyContent" class="vector-body" aria-labelledby="firstHeading" data-mw-ve-target-container> <div class="vector-body-before-content"> <div class="mw-indicators"> </div> <div id="siteSub" class="noprint">From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</div> </div> <div id="contentSub"><div id="mw-content-subtitle"></div></div> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="en" dir="ltr"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237879475">.mw-parser-output .tmbox{margin:4px 0;border-collapse:collapse;border:1px solid #c0c090;background-color:#f8eaba;box-sizing:border-box}.mw-parser-output .tmbox.mbox-small{font-size:88%;line-height:1.25em}.mw-parser-output .tmbox-speedy{border:2px solid #b32424;background-color:#fee7e6}.mw-parser-output .tmbox-delete{border:2px solid #b32424}.mw-parser-output .tmbox-content{border:2px solid #f28500}.mw-parser-output .tmbox-style{border:2px solid #fc3}.mw-parser-output .tmbox-move{border:2px solid #9932cc}.mw-parser-output .tmbox .mbox-text{border:none;padding:0.25em 0.9em;width:100%}.mw-parser-output .tmbox .mbox-image{border:none;padding:2px 0 2px 0.9em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .tmbox .mbox-imageright{border:none;padding:2px 0.9em 2px 0;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .tmbox .mbox-empty-cell{border:none;padding:0;width:1px}.mw-parser-output .tmbox .mbox-invalid-type{text-align:center}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .tmbox{margin:4px 10%}.mw-parser-output .tmbox.mbox-small{clear:right;float:right;margin:4px 0 4px 1em;width:238px}}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .tmbox{background-color:#2e2505}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .tmbox-speedy{background-color:#310402}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .tmbox{background-color:#2e2505}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .tmbox-speedy{background-color:#310402}}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output table.tmbox img{max-width:none!important}</style><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1243927654">.mw-parser-output .banner-shell{border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:4px}.mw-parser-output .banner-shell-header{text-align:center;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .banner-shell-inner{padding:2px 4px;background:#fffaef;color:inherit;border:1px dotted gray}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .banner-shell-inner{background:#2e2505}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .banner-shell-inner{background:#2e2505}}.mw-parser-output .banner-shell .tmbox{margin:2px 0;width:100%}.mw-parser-output .banner-shell .tmbox.mbox-small{line-height:1.5em;font-size:100%}.mw-parser-output .banner-shell-inner .banner-shell-outside{display:none}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .wpbs{width:80%}}.mw-parser-output .wpbs .assess{width:60px;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .wpbs .banner-shell-header{border:none;padding:0.25em 0.9em 0.25em 0}.mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb .wpb-header{display:table-row}.mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb:not(.mw-collapsed) .wpb-header-icon a{display:none}</style><table role="presentation" class="tmbox tmbox-notice banner-shell wpbs mw-collapsible"><tbody><tr><td class="assess"><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_start_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Start-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/35px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="35" height="36" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/53px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/70px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span></td><td class="banner-shell-header" style="text-align:left;font-weight:normal">This article is rated <b>Start-class</b> on Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_assessment" title="Wikipedia:Content assessment">content assessment</a> scale.<br/>It is of interest to the following <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject">WikiProjects</a>:</td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="banner-shell-inner outercollapse"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1259570071">.mw-parser-output .wpb-header,.mw-parser-output .wpb-metadata,.mw-parser-output .wpb-iefix{display:none}.mw-parser-output .wpb-header-name{text-align:right;padding:0.3em 1em 0.3em 0.3em;width:50%;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .wpb-header-assessment{text-align:left;width:50%;padding:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .wpb-header-combined{text-align:left;padding:0.3em 0.3em 0.3em 0;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .wpb-header-bubbles{border-radius:.5em;padding:0 .3em;margin-left:0.5em;white-space:nowrap;font-weight:normal;color:black}.mw-parser-output .wpb-nested-task-force{font-weight:normal}.mw-parser-output .wpb-header-icon{width:50px;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .wpb-category-box{background-color:#F5F5F5;border-width:1px;width:500px}.mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb .wpb-main{background-color:#FFFAEF;padding:3px 0 3px 0.7em}.mw-parser-output .wpb .wpb-main{padding:3px 5px}.mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb-header{background-color:#FFFAEF}.mw-parser-output .wpb-main>table{background-color:transparent;border:none;padding:0;width:100%;border-spacing:0}.mw-parser-output .wpb .wpb-image{padding:2px 0}.mw-parser-output .wpb-collapsed-head{text-align:left;padding:0.2em 2px 0.2em 0}.mw-parser-output .wpb-collapsed-notes{padding:0}.mw-parser-output .wpb-collapsed-notes>table{width:100%;background-color:transparent}.mw-parser-output .wpb .wpb-gutter{padding:2px 0 0 0}.mw-parser-output .wpbs .banner-shell-inner{background-color:#f8eaba;border:none}.mw-parser-output .wpb-table{table-layout:fixed}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .wpb{min-width:80%}}.mw-parser-output .assess{font-weight:bold;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;color:black}.mw-parser-output .import-top{background-color:#FFBFFF}.mw-parser-output .import-high{background-color:#FFCCFF}.mw-parser-output .import-mid{background-color:#FFD9FF}.mw-parser-output .import-low{background-color:#FFE7FF}.mw-parser-output .import-bottom{background-color:#FFEBFF}.mw-parser-output .import-na{background-color:#F5F5F5}.mw-parser-output .import-unknown{background-color:#DCDCDC}.mw-parser-output .class-fa,.mw-parser-output .class-fl,.mw-parser-output .class-fm{background-color:#BED3FF}.mw-parser-output .class-a,.mw-parser-output .class-al{background-color:#C0FFFF}.mw-parser-output .class-ga{background-color:#C0FFC0}.mw-parser-output .class-b,.mw-parser-output .class-bl{background-color:#DFFFBF}.mw-parser-output .class-c,.mw-parser-output .class-cl{background-color:#FFFFBE}.mw-parser-output .class-start{background-color:#FFDBBF}.mw-parser-output .class-stub,.mw-parser-output .class-sl{background-color:#FFC0C0}.mw-parser-output .class-list{background-color:#D2C0FF}.mw-parser-output .class-na{background-color:#F5F5F5}.mw-parser-output .class-category{background-color:#FFDB58}.mw-parser-output .class-disambig{background-color:#00FA9A}.mw-parser-output .class-draft{background-color:#E7B198}.mw-parser-output .class-file{background-color:#DDCCFF}.mw-parser-output .class-future{background-color:#B4BBFF}.mw-parser-output .class-portal{background-color:#DDB1BC}.mw-parser-output .class-project{background-color:#C0C090}.mw-parser-output .class-redirect{background-color:#C0C0C0}.mw-parser-output .class-sia{background-color:#E9DAFF}.mw-parser-output .class-user{background-color:#DDD06A}.mw-parser-output .class-template{background-color:#FBCEB1}.mw-parser-output .class-unassessed{background-color:#DCDCDC}.mw-parser-output .conflict{border:0.2em solid red}.mw-parser-output .inactive-wikiproject .wpb-header-bubbles{color:inherit}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .wpb-category-box{background-color:#0a0a0a}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb .wpb-main,html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb-header{background-color:#302f2d}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .wpbs .banner-shell-inner{background-color:#2e2505}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .wpb-category-box{background-color:#0a0a0a}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb .wpb-main,html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb-header{background-color:#302f2d}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .wpbs .banner-shell-inner{background-color:#2e2505}}</style><table class="tmbox tmbox-notice mw-collapsible innercollapse wpb wpb-table"><tbody><tr class="wpb-header"><td class="wpb-header-icon"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Flag_of_India.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/41/Flag_of_India.svg/35px-Flag_of_India.svg.png" decoding="async" width="35" height="23" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/41/Flag_of_India.svg/53px-Flag_of_India.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/41/Flag_of_India.svg/70px-Flag_of_India.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="900" data-file-height="600"/></a></span></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject India">India</a> <span class="wpb-header-bubbles import-mid">Mid‑importance</span> <span class="wpb-header-bubbles"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><span title="This article was last assessed in April 2012."><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Crystal_clock.svg/20px-Crystal_clock.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Crystal_clock.svg/30px-Crystal_clock.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Crystal_clock.svg/40px-Crystal_clock.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="64" data-file-height="64"/></span></span></span></td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Flag_of_India.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/41/Flag_of_India.svg/80px-Flag_of_India.svg.png" decoding="async" width="80" height="53" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/41/Flag_of_India.svg/120px-Flag_of_India.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/41/Flag_of_India.svg/160px-Flag_of_India.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="900" data-file-height="600"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1259569809">.mw-parser-output .portalbox{padding:0;margin:0.5em 0;display:table;box-sizing:border-box;max-width:175px;list-style:none}.mw-parser-output .portalborder{border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:0.1em;background:var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)}.mw-parser-output .portalbox-entry{display:table-row;font-size:85%;line-height:110%;height:1.9em;font-style:italic;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .portalbox-image{display:table-cell;padding:0.2em;vertical-align:middle;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .portalbox-link{display:table-cell;padding:0.2em 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em;vertical-align:middle}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .portalleft{clear:left;float:left;margin:0.5em 1em 0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .portalright{clear:right;float:right;margin:0.5em 0 0.5em 1em}}</style><ul role="navigation" aria-label="Portals" class="noprint portalbox portalborder portalright"> <li class="portalbox-entry"><span class="portalbox-image"><span class="mw-image-border noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="flag" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/41/Flag_of_India.svg/32px-Flag_of_India.svg.png" decoding="async" width="32" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/41/Flag_of_India.svg/48px-Flag_of_India.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/41/Flag_of_India.svg/64px-Flag_of_India.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="900" data-file-height="600"/></span></span></span><span class="portalbox-link"><a href="/wiki/Portal:India" title="Portal:India">India portal</a></span></li></ul>This article is within the scope of <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject India">WikiProject India</a></b>, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of <a href="/wiki/India" title="India">India</a>-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the <i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject India">project page</a></i>.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">India</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject India</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject India</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">India articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-mid"><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_India_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance India articles">Mid</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>Mid-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr><tr><td><figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Crystal_clock.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Note icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Crystal_clock.svg/25px-Crystal_clock.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Crystal_clock.svg/38px-Crystal_clock.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Crystal_clock.svg/50px-Crystal_clock.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="64" data-file-height="64"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article was last assessed in <b> April 2012</b>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1259570071"><table class="tmbox tmbox-notice mw-collapsible innercollapse wpb wpb-table"><tbody><tr class="wpb-header"><td class="wpb-header-icon"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Religious_syms.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Religious_syms.svg/25px-Religious_syms.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Religious_syms.svg/38px-Religious_syms.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Religious_syms.svg/50px-Religious_syms.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="768" data-file-height="768"/></a></span></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Religion" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion">Religion</a> </td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Religious_syms.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Religious_syms.svg/80px-Religious_syms.svg.png" decoding="async" width="80" height="80" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Religious_syms.svg/120px-Religious_syms.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Religious_syms.svg/160px-Religious_syms.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="768" data-file-height="768"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1259569809"><ul role="navigation" aria-label="Portals" class="noprint portalbox portalborder portalright"> <li class="portalbox-entry"><span class="portalbox-image"><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:P_religion_world.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/P_religion_world.svg/31px-P_religion_world.svg.png" decoding="async" width="31" height="28" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/P_religion_world.svg/47px-P_religion_world.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/P_religion_world.svg/62px-P_religion_world.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="400" data-file-height="360"/></a></span></span><span class="portalbox-link"><a href="/wiki/Portal:Religion" title="Portal:Religion">Religion portal</a></span></li></ul>This article is within the scope of <i><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Religion" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion">WikiProject Religion</a></b></i>, a project to improve Wikipedia's articles on <b><a href="/wiki/Religion" title="Religion">Religion</a></b>-related subjects. Please participate by editing the article, and help us <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Religion/Assessment" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion/Assessment">assess and improve</a> articles to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:What_is_a_good_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:What is a good article">good</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team" title="Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team">1.0</a> standards, or visit the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Religion" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion">wikiproject page</a> for more details.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Religion</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Religion</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Religion articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-unknown"><a href="/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Religion_articles" title="Category:Unknown-importance Religion articles">???</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has not yet received a rating on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Religion/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="As_this_page_is_dedicated_to_a_Religion,_one_that_is_not_Sikhism,_I_feel_it_is_important_we_listen_to_voices_of_the_Udasin." data-mw-thread-id="h-As_this_page_is_dedicated_to_a_Religion,_one_that_is_not_Sikhism,_I_feel_it_is_i"><span id="As_this_page_is_dedicated_to_a_Religion.2C_one_that_is_not_Sikhism.2C_I_feel_it_is_important_we_listen_to_voices_of_the_Udasin."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-As_this_page_is_dedicated_to_a_Religion,_one_that_is_not_Sikhism,_I_feel_it_is_i"></span>As this page is dedicated to a Religion, one that is not Sikhism, I feel it is important we listen to voices of the Udasin.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-As_this_page_is_dedicated_to_a_Religion,_one_that_is_not_Sikhism,_I_feel_it_is_i"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Udasi&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: As this page is dedicated to a Religion, one that is not Sikhism, I feel it is important we listen to voices of the Udasin."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Ram Ram, my little name is Ram Muni and I am a child of the Udasin sampradaya only 2 years in age, Panchayti Bada Udasin Akhada, having received Guru Diksha at the 2019 Prayagraj Ardh Kumbh Mela. As this page is dedicated to a Religion, one that is not Sikhism, I feel it is important we listen to voices of the Udasin. Few articles of Udasin origin exist other than scholarly works involving Sikhism with the Udasin being a footnote. The Udasin as a group are tied together by devotion to the Founder Sri Chand. Individually some Mahants follow the SGGS while others put their heads down to Hindu Deities. The Udasin should speak for themselves, not scholars who are subject to information biases. The Udasin have long been at odds with the major Sikh orders and much of the international Sikh community who value an authentic and separate Sikh identity. They strongly reject the idea that they, like Buddhism are actually branches of Hinduism as many Indian Hindus believe. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_move_30_May_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move_30_May_2021-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move_30_May_2021-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z"></span>Requested move 30 May 2021<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move_30_May_2021-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Udasi&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Requested move 30 May 2021"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BD2412-2021-07-12T18:04:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021"></span>The following discussion is an archived discussion of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">requested move</a>. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</i></dd></dl> <p><b>No consensus to move</b>. After much-extended time for discussion, there is no consensus for a move at this time. <a href="/wiki/User:BD2412" title="User:BD2412"><span style="background:gold"><i><b>BD2412</b></i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BD2412" title="User talk:BD2412"><b>T</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Udasi#c-BD2412-2021-07-12T18:04:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 12 July 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BD2412-2021-07-12T18:04:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BD2412-2021-07-12T18:04:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021"></span> </p><p><a href="/wiki/Udasi" title="Udasi"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021"></span>Udasi</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Udasin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Udasin (page does not exist)">Udasin</a> – </p><p>I have Emailed Wiki to get the name changed as the official name is Udasin not Udasi. I will include links to Indian news papers as well as court judgments that cite the correct name. I have also included a link to the wiki page that describes how Indian names should be dealt with. </p><p><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/India-related_articles#Indic_scripts_in_leads_and_infoboxes">[1]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Rammuni_BadaUdasin" title="User:Rammuni BadaUdasin">Rammuni BadaUdasin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rammuni_BadaUdasin" title="User talk:Rammuni BadaUdasin">talk</a>) 22:15, 30 May 2021 (UTC) <small>—<i><b>Relisting.</b></i> <span style="font-family:DrukarniaPolska"><span style="background:#f70202"><a href="/wiki/User:Zoozaz1" title="User:Zoozaz1"><b style="color: #fffb00">Zoozaz1</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zoozaz1" title="User talk:Zoozaz1"><b style="color: #fffb00">talk</b></a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Udasi#c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:02, 21 June 2021 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021"></span> </p> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rotideypoc41352-2021-05-30T23:47:00.000Z-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z"></span>Fixed malformed move request. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) 23:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)</small><small>—<i><b>Relisting.</b></i> —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Udasi#c-Rotideypoc41352-2021-05-30T23:47:00.000Z-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 29 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rotideypoc41352-2021-05-30T23:47:00.000Z-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rotideypoc41352-2021-05-30T23:47:00.000Z-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rublov-2021-05-31T18:31:00.000Z-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b>: All the English-language sources cited by the article that I could check online use "Udasi" or "Udasis" rather than "Udasin". It may be appropriate to move the page to "Udasis" though, for consistency with, e.g., <a href="/wiki/Sikhs" title="Sikhs">Sikhs</a> and <a href="/wiki/Jews" title="Jews">Jews</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Rublov" title="User:Rublov">Rublov</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rublov" title="User talk:Rublov">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Udasi#c-Rublov-2021-05-31T18:31:00.000Z-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 31 May 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rublov-2021-05-31T18:31:00.000Z-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rublov-2021-05-31T18:31:00.000Z-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-18T22:52:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021"></span>As of 2021, all major newspaper in India use "Udasin": the Times of India (<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/akhadas-the-main-attraction-of-kumbh-have-a-long-interesting-history/articleshow/81453959.cms">[2]</a>), the The Hindustan Times (<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/the-famous-akhadas-at-kumbh-mela/story-x5TCnQW9n51cwXkkR4lfJJ.html">[3]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/no-trace-of-eminent-akhara-parishad-seer-even-after-3-years-saints-demand-cbi-probe/story-STv4W0iGLN3YZfiQXUkt4L.html">[4]</a>). So do government ministers (<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://indianculture.gov.in/archives/petition-nagendra-das-mahant-bavaji-udasin-conjeevaram-sue-ex-maharaja-nabha-civil-court">[5]</a>) and courts (<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://indiankanoon.org/doc/42756972/">[6]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://indiankanoon.org/doc/50765652/">[7]</a>, ). Of the sources in the article, (<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://archive.org/details/sikhsofpunjab0000grew">[8]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Bhakti_Religion_in_North_India/rpSxJg_ehnIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA57&printsec=frontcover">[9]</a>) are more than 20 years old, and all are non-Indian sources which should be given less weight per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TITLEVAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TITLEVAR">WP:TITLEVAR</a>. }} </p><p>Expand below to see a more in depth look at my arguments with many more links.<a href="/wiki/User:Rammuni_BadaUdasin" title="User:Rammuni BadaUdasin">Rammuni BadaUdasin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rammuni_BadaUdasin" title="User talk:Rammuni BadaUdasin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Udasi#c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-18T22:52:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 18 June 2021 (UTC)</a> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256386598">.mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#F0F2F5;color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#CCFFCC;color:inherit}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}</style><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-18T22:52:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-18T22:52:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021"></span> </p> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-12T11:30:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021"></span>Extended content</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <p>also see "Use commonly recognizable names" in the guidelines listed below </p><p><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles#Name_changes">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles#Name_changes</a> </p><p>Support: Many of the English-language sources cited are 20+ years old and within them only small sections are actually devoted to discussing the Udasin tradition and themselves reference sources 50-80+ years old. I could fill this page up with links to court cases involving disputes over land/Temple rights between Udasin priest. Udasin is used in all of them, not "Udasi", however I'll just list a few including one paper from Harvard discussing the Udasin within the context of the Kumb Mela planning. </p><p>I believe the archaic name "Udasi" should not be used in this instance as all Modern English publications from Indian sources, as well as official court documents refer to the group as Udasin as I will list more below. English is in fact an official Language in India. It would be quite cynical to exclude India's own modern English language publications in favor of English publications from non-Indian sources that continually rely upon archaic text dating from the time of British imperialism.-see <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Age_matters">[10]</a> </p><p>With a little research, you will see all of the English-language sources cited by the article are then citing text that are well over 150 years old in some cases. In the case of "The Construction of Religious Boundaries" a simple scroll down the page and you will see the author is citing many unpublished Ph.D-thesis. The book's publisher even defines it as a "major reinterpretation of religion and society in India" on the introduction. Below are more court cases </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.legitquest.com/case/shri-108-pujya-pad-adwait-punch-parmeshawar-panchayati-akhara-naya-udasin-v-girdhari-lal-and-others/14D880">[11]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://indiankanoon.org/doc/123777/?type=print">[12]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://advocatetanmoy.com/2020/04/20/udasin-panchayati-bara-akhara/">[13]</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://indiankanoon.org/doc/42756972/">https://indiankanoon.org/doc/50765652/</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://indiankanoon.org/doc/109594068/">https://indiankanoon.org/doc/936172/</a> </p><p>Here are some more recent academic sources that use the modern term "Udasin" </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://mittalsouthasiainstitute.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Questions-from-the-Field_Oct-2012.pdf">-page 8 </a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://mittalsouthasiainstitute.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Preliminary-Questions-%E2%80%93-Religious-Studies.pdf">[14]</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.dalailama.com/pictures/visit-to-sri-udasin-karshni-ashram-in-mathura-up-india">[15]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft22900465&chunk.id=ch1&toc.id=&brand=ucpress">[16]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hinduism_Before_Reform/6a7MDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22udasin%22%20religious&pg=PP1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=udasin">[17]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://anpere.net/2008/3.pdf">[18]</a> "search Udasin and you will find over 20 hits " </p><p><br/> For a very easy to understand example of how this can lead to confusion,or some misunderstanding go to google maps and search "Udasi" while looking at India, and you will be directed to someplace in America, however if you search "Udasin" you will be shown many places of worship in India....... </p><p><br/> 11:06 AM, June 12, 2021<a href="/wiki/User:Rammuni_BadaUdasin" title="User:Rammuni BadaUdasin">Rammuni BadaUdasin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rammuni_BadaUdasin" title="User talk:Rammuni BadaUdasin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Udasi#c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-12T11:30:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:30, 12 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-12T11:30:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-12T11:30:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021"></span> </p> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rotideypoc41352-2021-06-13T07:00:00.000Z-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-12T11:30:00.000Z"></span>Removed duplicate section per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TPG#dupes" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TPG">WP:TPG § dupes</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Udasi#c-Rotideypoc41352-2021-06-13T07:00:00.000Z-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-12T11:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:00, 13 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rotideypoc41352-2021-06-13T07:00:00.000Z-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-12T11:30:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rotideypoc41352-2021-06-13T07:00:00.000Z-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-12T11:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-16T09:29:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021"></span>Sorry @rotideypoc41352 I waited some time and reading the move request page I saw it said "Requests are generally processed after seven days. If consensus is reached at or after this time, a reviewer will enact the request. If not, the request may be re-listed to allow more time for consensus to develop, or the discussion closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process." </p><p>I thought it would be ok to re-list it since it had been over 2 weeks, not sure how things work around here exactly. What is the next step, per Wiki's Use commonly recognizable names-Other </p> <pre>"In determining which of several alternative names is most frequently used, it is useful to observe the usage of major international organizations, major English-language media outlets, quality encyclopedias, geographic name servers, major scientific bodies, and notable scientific journals. A search engine may help to collect this data; when using a search engine, restrict the results to pages written in English, and exclude the word "Wikipedia". When using Google, generally a search of Google Books and News Archive should be defaulted to before a web search, as they concentrate reliable sources (exclude works from Books, LLC when searching Google Books[7]). Search engine results are subject to certain biases and technical limitations; for detailed advice on the use of search engines and the interpretation of their results, see Wikipedia:Search engine test." </pre> <p><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Search_engine_test#What_a_search_test_can_do,_and_what_it_can't">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Search_engine_test#What_a_search_test_can_do,_and_what_it_can't</a> </p> A simple search engine test of "udasi" only shows Wikipedia or Wikipedia type sites, some with a direct copy paste of This Wiki article. The next most results are a mix of (1) redirects towards the travels aka "udasis" of the Guru Nanak and (2) Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak CommitteeSikh aka SGPC "Sikh Orthodoxy" propaganda.|} <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598"> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Extended content</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);">Such propaganda been used to Legally disenfranchise unorthodox Sikhs and they have tightly controlled the narrative of Sikh History ever since as I will explain below. It started with the the first Gurdwara reform movement back in 1925, where the Udasin and other old unorthodox traditions within the Sikh community were excommunicated under British law by the SGPC. The Udasin were branded "Non=Sikh" by the newly formed SGPC leadership and to this day are not considered Sikh's by the modern SGPC assembly. This discrimination continues, and the fundamentalist faction has all but taken over. The most recent example being the 2016 amendment to Gurdwaras Act of 1925. <pre><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.mha.gov.in/sites/default/files/201621.pdf">https://www.mha.gov.in/sites/default/files/201621.pdf</a> </pre> <p>This effectively striped an estimated 7 million, almost 1/3, Sikhs' of their rights as electors from participation in the SGPC elections. The SGPC elections held every 5 years with 170 seats being contested. The president, secretaries, and other positions of high office within the SGPC are then nominated based on a majority vote taken by the seat holders. The SGPC are the lawfully recognized body of governance for the Sikh religion in India. They have also been responsible for overseeing all Punjabi publications related to the history of Sikhs and are ready to sue anyone who contradicts their narrative in English. </p> <pre><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.hindustantimes.com/chandigarh/sgpc-objects-to-history-book-contents-seeks-action-against-author-long-dead/story-qoR5Fp6C83YG7xID7gur5M.html">https://www.hindustantimes.com/chandigarh/sgpc-objects-to-history-book-contents-seeks-action-against-author-long-dead/story-qoR5Fp6C83YG7xID7gur5M.html</a> </pre> <pre><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/amritsar/golden-temple-mats-sgpc-to-sue-amazon/articleshow/67171902.cms">https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/amritsar/golden-temple-mats-sgpc-to-sue-amazon/articleshow/67171902.cms</a> </pre> <pre><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/international/story/19930915-professor-of-sikh-studies-pashaura-singh-refuses-to-honour-akal-takht-decree-811562-1993-09-15">https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/international/story/19930915-professor-of-sikh-studies-pashaura-singh-refuses-to-honour-akal-takht-decree-811562-1993-09-15</a> </pre> <pre><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/sgpc-to-get-sikh-history-rewritten-forms-fivemember-panel/1061199/">http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/sgpc-to-get-sikh-history-rewritten-forms-fivemember-panel/1061199/</a> </pre> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p>Back to the search Engine test, A search for Udasin, will present less Wiki related or Wiki like articles. This includes when searching for news, and images, the term "Udasin" returns more relevant results each time. As stated when searching in maps, "udasi" returns nothing in India while "Udasin" will direct you to the major centers of worship within India. The only thing left to explore is the simple fact that "udasi" is a transliteration of the Punjabi word as opposed to "Udasin" being the modern Indian term. It's not to different from the fact that, in American English, 'color' is the most common spelling. In British English, 'colour' is the preferred spelling. However it stands to reason that "Udasin" being a term originating from India, that it's modern and most recognized Indian spelling, "Udasin" be used over the Archaic, albeit scholarly "udasi" transliteration . Another good example is the use of the archaic term "Lamaism", still being used in scholarly articles/publication as opposed to the commonly known/modern name "Tibetan Buddhism" </p><p>Ram Muni- 9:28 AM Wednesday, June 16, 2021 UTC <span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Rammuni_BadaUdasin" title="User:Rammuni BadaUdasin">Rammuni BadaUdasin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rammuni_BadaUdasin#top" title="User talk:Rammuni BadaUdasin">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rammuni_BadaUdasin" title="Special:Contributions/Rammuni BadaUdasin">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Udasi#c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-16T09:29:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:29, 16 June 2021 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-16T09:29:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-16T09:29:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021"></span> </p><p><br/> </p><p>Unless there is some coherent objection as to why this page ought not be moved to Udasin I will make a request for this to be closed in 7 days. I dont understand why there is any controversy, given all the facts I stated above. It should be updated so that anyone reading this article can easily understand that "Udasin" is not a extinct religion, but a living tradition that can be seen in many places across India. If one searches for "Udasi" as this article calls it, they will find no results. This could easily lead to a misunderstand causing people to believe that no such tradition exist at the present, despite the "Udasin" being one of 14 major Hindu groups recognized by the, Akhara Parishad, the top Hindu religious organizational body in India. To note "Udasin" is as stated many time above, the legally recognized name by all legal authorities within India and the name in common use across English language newspapers throughout India. </p><p>Ram Muni-10:45 AM UTC Wednesday, June 16, 2021 </p> <dl><dd><i>The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">requested move</a>. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</i></dd></dl> </td> </tr> </tbody></table></div></div>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Udasi&oldid=1200530255">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Udasi&oldid=1200530255</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_India_articles" title="Category:Start-Class India articles">Start-Class India articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_India_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance India articles">Mid-importance India articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_India_articles_of_Mid-importance" title="Category:Start-Class India articles of Mid-importance">Start-Class India articles of Mid-importance</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_India_articles" title="Category:WikiProject India articles">WikiProject India articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_Religion_articles" title="Category:Start-Class Religion articles">Start-Class Religion articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Religion_articles" title="Category:Unknown-importance Religion articles">Unknown-importance Religion articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Religion_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Religion articles">WikiProject Religion articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 29 January 2024, at 18:22<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. By using this site, you agree to the <a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use" class="extiw" title="foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms of Use">Terms of Use</a> and <a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Privacy_policy" class="extiw" title="foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Privacy policy">Privacy Policy</a>. Wikipedia® is a registered trademark of the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/">Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.</a>, a non-profit organization.</li> </ul> <ul id="footer-places"> <li id="footer-places-privacy"><a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Privacy_policy">Privacy policy</a></li> <li id="footer-places-about"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:About">About Wikipedia</a></li> <li id="footer-places-disclaimers"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer">Disclaimers</a></li> <li id="footer-places-contact"><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us">Contact Wikipedia</a></li> <li id="footer-places-wm-codeofconduct"><a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Universal_Code_of_Conduct">Code of Conduct</a></li> <li id="footer-places-developers"><a href="https://developer.wikimedia.org">Developers</a></li> <li id="footer-places-statslink"><a href="https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org">Statistics</a></li> <li id="footer-places-cookiestatement"><a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Cookie_statement">Cookie statement</a></li> <li id="footer-places-mobileview"><a href="//en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Udasi&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile" class="noprint stopMobileRedirectToggle">Mobile view</a></li> </ul> <ul id="footer-icons" class="noprint"> <li id="footer-copyrightico"><a href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/" class="cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button--enabled"><img src="/static/images/footer/wikimedia-button.svg" width="84" height="29" alt="Wikimedia Foundation" loading="lazy"></a></li> <li id="footer-poweredbyico"><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/" class="cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button--enabled"><img src="/w/resources/assets/poweredby_mediawiki.svg" alt="Powered by MediaWiki" width="88" height="31" loading="lazy"></a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vector-settings" id="p-dock-bottom"> <ul></ul> </div><script>(RLQ=window.RLQ||[]).push(function(){mw.config.set({"wgHostname":"mw-web.codfw.main-57488d5c7d-9hhsk","wgBackendResponseTime":123,"wgDiscussionToolsPageThreads":[{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-As_this_page_is_dedicated_to_a_Religion,_one_that_is_not_Sikhism,_I_feel_it_is_i","replies":[]},{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Requested_move_30_May_2021-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z","replies":[{"timestamp":"2021-07-12T18:04:00.000Z","author":"BD2412","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BD2412-2021-07-12T18:04:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021","replies":[]},{"timestamp":"2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z","author":"Rammuni BadaUdasin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021","replies":[{"timestamp":"2021-05-30T23:47:00.000Z","author":"Rotideypoc41352","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Rotideypoc41352-2021-05-30T23:47:00.000Z-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z","replies":[]},{"timestamp":"2021-05-31T18:31:00.000Z","author":"Rublov","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Rublov-2021-05-31T18:31:00.000Z-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-05-30T22:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}]},{"timestamp":"2021-06-18T22:52:00.000Z","author":"Rammuni BadaUdasin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-18T22:52:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021","replies":[]},{"timestamp":"2021-06-12T11:30:00.000Z","author":"Rammuni BadaUdasin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-12T11:30:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021","replies":[{"timestamp":"2021-06-13T07:00:00.000Z","author":"Rotideypoc41352","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Rotideypoc41352-2021-06-13T07:00:00.000Z-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-12T11:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}]},{"timestamp":"2021-06-16T09:29:00.000Z","author":"Rammuni BadaUdasin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rammuni_BadaUdasin-2021-06-16T09:29:00.000Z-Requested_move_30_May_2021","replies":[]}]}],"wgPageParseReport":{"discussiontools":{"limitreport-timeusage":"0.027"},"limitreport":{"cputime":"0.342","walltime":"0.501","ppvisitednodes":{"value":2292,"limit":1000000},"postexpandincludesize":{"value":21187,"limit":2097152},"templateargumentsize":{"value":112,"limit":2097152},"expansiondepth":{"value":10,"limit":100},"expensivefunctioncount":{"value":8,"limit":500},"unstrip-depth":{"value":0,"limit":20},"unstrip-size":{"value":18193,"limit":5000000},"entityaccesscount":{"value":0,"limit":400},"timingprofile":["100.00% 395.043 1 -total"," 89.67% 354.231 1 Template:WikiProject_banner_shell"," 61.85% 244.315 1 Template:WikiProject_India"," 5.65% 22.339 2 Template:Collapse_top"," 4.69% 18.516 1 Template:WikiProject_Religion"," 3.76% 14.867 3 Template:Ifsubst"," 2.03% 8.000 1 Template:No_redirect"," 1.75% 6.926 1 Template:Section_link"," 0.76% 2.993 1 Template:Yesno"," 0.67% 2.660 2 Template:Collapse_bottom"]},"scribunto":{"limitreport-timeusage":{"value":"0.190","limit":"10.000"},"limitreport-memusage":{"value":2643539,"limit":52428800}},"cachereport":{"origin":"mw-api-int.codfw.main-5f67bcf949-p2qn4","timestamp":"20241127041939","ttl":864000,"transientcontent":true}}});});</script> </body> </html>