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Please do not modify it. Use the <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal" title="Wikidata:Property proposal">current page</a>, even to continue an old discussion. </td></tr></tbody></table> Please restrict each archive page to at most 80 proposals, to avoid the Lua error: too many expensive function calls issue that messes up <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/43" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/43">previous archive pages</a>. <hr/> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#implements_programming_language">1 implements programming language</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#running_time">2 running time</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#Model">3 Model</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#frame_rate">4 frame rate</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#ID_in_Russian_public_register_of_films">5 ID in Russian public register of films</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#RARS_rating">6 RARS rating</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Credit_line">7 Credit line</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#number_of_parts_of_a_work_of_art">8 number of parts of a work of art</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#BBFC_rating">9 BBFC rating</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Type_locality_or_co-type_localities_(geology)">10 Type locality or co-type localities (geology)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#Davis_Cup_player_ID">11 Davis Cup player ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#FedCup_player_ID">12 FedCup player ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#applies_to_aspect">13 applies to aspect</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#product_/_sum_/_power_/_function_application">14 product / sum / power / function application</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#interest">15 interest</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#discontinued_date">16 discontinued date</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#has_part_of_the_type">17 has part of the type</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#Google_Knowledge_Graph_identifier">18 Google Knowledge Graph identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="#is_a_period_in_the_history_of">19 is a period in the history of</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#SOATO_ID">20 SOATO ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="#OpenStreetMap_Nominatim_Place_Identifier">21 OpenStreetMap Nominatim Place Identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="#next_crossing">22 next crossing</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-23"><a href="#proportion_of_population">23 proportion of population</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-24"><a href="#geography">24 geography</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-25"><a href="#Indonesian_Administrative_Division_(district)_ID">25 Indonesian Administrative Division (district) ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-26"><a href="#Indonesian_Administrative_Division_(regency)_ID">26 Indonesian Administrative Division (regency) ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-27"><a href="#Indonesian_Administrative_Division_(province)_ID">27 Indonesian Administrative Division (province) ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-28"><a href="#runner-up">28 runner-up</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-29"><a href="#Cycling_Quotient_identifier_(race)_(men)">29 Cycling Quotient identifier (race) (men)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-30"><a href="#Cycling_Quotient_URL_(team,_men)">30 Cycling Quotient URL (team, men)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-31"><a href="#minimal_lethal_concentration">31 minimal lethal concentration</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-32"><a href="#elected_in">32 elected in</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-33"><a href="#median_lethal_concentration">33 median lethal concentration</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-34"><a href="#Wiktionary">34 Wiktionary</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-35"><a href="#anagrams_(en)">34.1 anagrams (en)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-36"><a href="#patronymic_/_Patronym_/_nom_à_suffixe_patronymique_/_patronimico">34.2 patronymic / Patronym / nom à suffixe patronymique / patronimico</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-37"><a href="#Commons_category">35 Commons category</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-38"><a href="#collage_image">36 collage image</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-39"><a href="#sectional_view">37 sectional view</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-40"><a href="#Wikimedia_import_status">38 Wikimedia import status</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-41"><a href="#no-observed-adverse-effect_level_(NOAEL)">39 no-observed-adverse-effect level (NOAEL)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-42"><a href="#embed_URL">40 embed URL</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-43"><a href="#Hungarian-style_transcription">41 Hungarian-style transcription</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-44"><a href="#lowest-observed-adverse-effect_level_(LOAEL)">42 lowest-observed-adverse-effect level (LOAEL)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-45"><a href="#Swimrankings.net_swimmer_ID">43 Swimrankings.net swimmer ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-46"><a href="#Basketball-Reference.com_male_player_ID">44 Basketball-Reference.com male player ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-47"><a href="#Opensecrets_Identifier">45 Opensecrets Identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-48"><a href="#NDL_JPNO">46 NDL JPNO</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-49"><a href="#Box_Office_Mojo_person_ID">47 Box Office Mojo person ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-50"><a href="#BARTOC_ID">48 BARTOC ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-51"><a href="#FIG_gymnast_identifier">49 FIG gymnast identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-52"><a href="#ISU_figure_skater_identifier">50 ISU figure skater identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-53"><a href="#ESPNcricinfo_player_ID">51 ESPNcricinfo player ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-54"><a href="#CricketArchive_player_ID">52 CricketArchive player ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-55"><a href="#UIPM_ID">53 UIPM ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-56"><a href="#United_World_Wrestling_ID">54 United World Wrestling ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-57"><a href="#Badminton_World_Federation_ID">55 Badminton World Federation ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-58"><a href="#ISSF_ID">56 ISSF ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept_proposals">57 New York Times Semantic Concept proposals</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Person">57.1 New York Times Semantic Concept: Person</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Location">57.2 New York Times Semantic Concept: Location</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Organization">57.3 New York Times Semantic Concept: Organization</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Descriptor">57.4 New York Times Semantic Concept: Descriptor</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-59"><a href="#is_verso_of">58 is verso of</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-60"><a href="#Typeface/font">59 Typeface/font</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-61"><a href="#Bekker_Number">60 Bekker Number</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-62"><a href="#mean_lifetime">61 mean lifetime</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-63"><a href="#Extinct">62 Extinct</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-64"><a href="#Micro-organism_respiration">63 Micro-organism respiration</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-65"><a href="#mirTarBase_ID">64 mirTarBase ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-66"><a href="#median_lethal_dose">65 median lethal dose</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-67"><a href="#Biographical_Directory_of_Federal_Judges_id">66 Biographical Directory of Federal Judges id</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="implements_programming_language" data-mw-thread-id="h-implements_programming_language-2015-04-23T20:31:00.000Z">implements programming language</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2262253935">.mw-parser-output .property-navibox{background:var(--background-color-progressive-subtle,#f1f4fd);border:3px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1)}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-header{background:var(--background-color-progressive-subtle,#f1f4fd);outline:3px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1);padding:4px}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links{float:right;margin:0}body.rtl .mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links{float:left}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links li{display:inline;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links li:after{display:inline;content:" – "}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links li:last-child:after{content:none}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main{overflow-x:auto}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox table{display:table;overflow-x:visible}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main tr{vertical-align:text-top}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox[dir="ltr"] .property-navibox-main th{padding-right:1em;text-align:left}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox[dir="rtl"] .property-navibox-main th{padding-left:1em;text-align:right}@media(max-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-header{display:flex;flex-direction:column-reverse}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main>table>tbody>tr>td,.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main>table>tbody>tr>th{display:block}}</style><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Programming language implemented by this software</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q4117406" title="Q4117406">implementation of a programming language</a> (Q4117406)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>compilers and/or interpreters (possibly including VMs?): <a href="/wiki/Q4117406" title="Q4117406">implementation of a programming language (Q4117406)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>programming languages: <a href="/wiki/Q9143" title="Q9143">programming language (Q9143)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q599384" title="Q599384">CPython (Q599384)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q28865" title="Q28865">Python (Q28865)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q185524" title="Q185524">Oracle Database (Q185524)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q41574" title="Q41574">PL/SQL (Q41574)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q7799956" title="Q7799956">Category:Fortran compilers (Q7799956)</a>: <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q47506" title="Q47506">compiler (Q47506)</a> with qualifier <implements> <a href="/wiki/Q83303" title="Q83303">Fortran (Q83303)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Motivation: Proposed by: <a href="/wiki/User:SamB" title="User:SamB">SamB</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SamB" title="User talk:SamB">talk</a>) Well, it'd be nice to be able to tie the items for programming languages and the items for the relevant implementations together somehow; this seems a straightforward, appropriate way. <a href="/wiki/User:SamB" title="User:SamB">SamB</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SamB" title="User talk:SamB">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-SamB-2015-04-23T20:31:00.000Z-implements_programming_language" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 23 April 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Could we make this more generic? Say have a property that specifies the standards that the output files comply with like <a href="/wiki/Property:P1073" title="Property:P1073">writable file format (P1073)</a> (or extend P1073 so it can be used for this? <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Filceolaire-2015-04-24T01:47:00.000Z-SamB-2015-04-23T20:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:47, 24 April 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:SamB" title="User:SamB"><bdi>SamB</bdi></a>: Is this indented for <a href="/wiki/Q845739" title="Q845739">query language (Q845739)</a> (e. g. <a href="/wiki/Q47607" title="Q47607">SQL (Q47607)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q185612" title="Q185612">regular expression (Q185612)</a>), or only for <a href="/wiki/Q9143" title="Q9143">programming language (Q9143)</a>? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User:Sergey kudryavtsev">Sergey kudryavtsev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-04-24T08:18:00.000Z-SamB-2015-04-23T20:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>May be better generize: implements the syntax? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User:Sergey kudryavtsev">Sergey kudryavtsev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-04-24T08:22:00.000Z-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-04-24T08:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 24 April 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:SamB" title="User:SamB"><bdi>SamB</bdi></a>: any further response? <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-MSGJ-2015-06-10T21:39:00.000Z-SamB-2015-04-23T20:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 10 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ"><bdi>MSGJ</bdi></a>: uh, yeah, generalizing this enough to include query languages like SQL or XPath whatever would't be a terrible idea; perhaps it should be "implements computer language"? That could even work for programs that implement the JVM or .NET's CLI. (By the way, any ideas about how to represent the output language(s) of a compiler? Should every ISA also count as a computer language?)</dd> <dd>[Oops, I forgot to sign this last night! <a href="/wiki/User:SamB" title="User:SamB">SamB</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SamB" title="User talk:SamB">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-SamB-2015-06-11T14:25:00.000Z-MSGJ-2015-06-10T21:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a>] <dl><dd>I would even further generalize and also include emulators or VMs. Rename the property implements, with software as domains, and programming languages, specifications and computer architectures as ranges. But we would need maybe to sort out the compilation/emulation stuff. It's pretty clear that a compiler produces programs in output and that emulators or virtual machines just executes ... That's too kind of implementation <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2015-06-11T10:48:00.000Z-SamB-2015-06-11T14:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:48, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> CommentProperty proposals about computing should have their own section, currectly some are also done in Natural sciences ... <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done No support.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Micru-2016-03-20T22:34:00.000Z-implements_programming_language" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="running_time" data-mw-thread-id="h-running_time-2015-12-05T10:57:00.000Z">running time</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The duration of a film, episode, song, album, etc.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td>quantity with unit seconds/minutes/hours-invalid datatype (not in <a href="/wiki/Module:I18n/datatype" title="Module:I18n/datatype">Module:i18n/datatype</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td> <ul><li>"runtime" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_film" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox film">en:Template:Infobox film</a></li> <li>"runtime" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_television_episode" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox television episode">en:Template:Infobox television episode</a></li> <li>"length" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_song" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox song">en:Template:Infobox song</a></li> <li>"length" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_album" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox album">en:Template:Infobox album</a></li></ul></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q386724" title="Q386724">work (Q386724)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <li><a href="/wiki/Q2579784" title="Q2579784">Gravity (Q2579784)</a> => 91m <=> 1h 31m</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q15015184" title="Q15015184">Felina (Q15015184)</a> => 55m</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q4838206" title="Q4838206">Baby Blue (Q4838206)</a> => 217s <=> 3m 37s</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q1933180" title="Q1933180">American Tragedy (Q1933180)</a> => 50m 41s</li></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>Items need to have <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q11424" title="Q11424">film (Q11424)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Q1983062" title="Q1983062">episode (Q1983062)</a>.</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Wikipedia articles might already have the duration listed. <a href="/wiki/Property:P2047" title="Property:P2047">duration (P2047)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Yes! Bots can update this tag automatically from Wikipedia articles itself (that have a infobox film with runtime parameter) or fetch them from the IMDb API if <a href="/wiki/Property:P345" title="Property:P345">IMDb ID (P345)</a> is present.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Explanation</dt></dl> <ul><li>As <a href="/wiki/Property:P2047" title="Property:P2047">duration (P2047)</a> is being used for almost anything, this proposal to create a separate property for runtime of films/songs, etc. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-12-05T10:57:00.000Z-running_time" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:57, 5 December 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-12-05T10:57:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-12-05T10:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:57, 5 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>As noted more than once previously, as the opponent you don't need to support your own proposal. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-12-05T12:18:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-12-05T10:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:18, 5 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Can you provide a reference for this affirmation? I don't think you had provided a reference for your affirmation last either. As usual. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-12-05T13:53:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-12-05T12:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 5 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: Obviously you support your own proposal. You would not propose something you don't agree with. So I don't think we should write a statement against self-support because it is implicit in the proposal itself. --★ <a href="/wiki/User:Airon90" title="User:Airon90">→ A</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Airon90" title="Special:Contributions/Airon90">ir</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airon90" title="User talk:Airon90">on 90</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Airon90-2015-12-06T15:46:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-12-05T13:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 6 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Sometimes I merely formulate proposals for other people. Some of them I support as well. I noticed others doing the same. We do have a statement requiring people to check existing property before making proposal, but it seems people don't read that either. What do you think? --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-12-06T15:57:00.000Z-Airon90-2015-12-06T15:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 6 December 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose. <a href="/wiki/Property:P2047" title="Property:P2047">duration (P2047)</a> is sufficient. I also note that the edit filter suggested does not match the examples and that the datatype is not listed. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-12-05T12:18:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-12-05T10:57:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:18, 5 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Added datatype (somehow this wasn't available in previous proposal). Sample is from <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2047" title="Property talk:P2047">Property talk:P2047</a>. Obviously, this can be improved once created. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-12-05T13:53:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-12-05T12:18:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 5 December 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>On further examination, this seems to be an attempt to avoid the consensus at <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2047" title="Property talk:P2047">property talk:p2047</a>, which is running against Jura1's preference. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-12-06T20:47:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-12-05T12:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 6 December 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose I don't get why you should separate this property from <a href="/wiki/Property:P2047" title="Property:P2047">duration (P2047)</a>. --★ <a href="/wiki/User:Airon90" title="User:Airon90">→ A</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Airon90" title="Special:Contributions/Airon90">ir</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airon90" title="User talk:Airon90">on 90</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Airon90-2015-12-06T15:28:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-12-05T10:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 6 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Just to clarify: In English, your statement would display "Oppose I don't get why you should separate this property from running time (P2047)", but as P2047 gets changed, it should read "from duration (P2047)". --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-12-06T16:00:00.000Z-Airon90-2015-12-06T15:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 6 December 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose. P2047 has nearly a thousand uses, and only 9 of them are for "duration". The rest are all for running time, an entirely separate concept, and one that actually deserves a property. "Duration" does not. The broken uses of P2047 should be removed, and the label/description/constraints should be changed back to running time. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Yair_rand-2016-01-17T21:54:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-12-05T10:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 17 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand"><bdi>Yair rand</bdi></a>: Can you explain how "duration" and "running time" are different concepts? <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2016-01-19T02:04:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2016-01-17T21:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:04, 19 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>As far as I can tell, a "running time" is a specific type of duration. If I saw "duration" without qualifier on an item describing a creative work, I would assume it meant precisely "running time". There is unquestionably a need for the general "duration" property; the lack of items using it that way reflects the fact that, until last week, it wasn't worded that way. I've been working to remedy that, applying the property to items with duration, such as <a href="/wiki/Q16177169" title="Q16177169">Qantas Flights 7 and 8 (Q16177169)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q11995" title="Q11995">human pregnancy (Q11995)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Swpb" title="User:Swpb">Swpb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swpb" title="User talk:Swpb">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Swpb-2016-01-19T17:55:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2016-01-19T02:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 19 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>: An event/span of time has a "duration", which is the amount of time between the beginning of the event and the end of the event. A recorded work has a "running time", which is the intended duration (same sense) of any particular showing/use of the recording. The work itself is not an event, or span of time, or a class of events or spans of time. It has no duration. A light-year might always take a year for light to run through, but that doesn't mean the length itself has a duration of one year. Even more so, a recording intended to be viewed by means of a player over the course of one hour does not have a duration of one hour. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Yair_rand-2016-01-21T02:44:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2016-01-19T02:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 21 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>That's a dubious distinction, and one not adhered to by <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://schema.org/Duration">other schemas</a>. I'm fine with a separate "running time" property, but it ought to be considered a subproperty of duration. <a href="/wiki/User:Swpb" title="User:Swpb">Swpb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swpb" title="User talk:Swpb">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Swpb-2016-01-21T14:25:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2016-01-21T02:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 21 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Swpb" title="User:Swpb"><bdi>Swpb</bdi></a>: Looking at schema.org's description of duration, it doesn't look like it overlaps with duration of a span of time at all. It's just running time, extended to similar situations (length of time to cook a dish, do an exercise, have a flight from point a to point b, etc). --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Yair_rand-2016-01-21T16:54:00.000Z-Swpb-2016-01-21T14:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 21 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>I agree with the practical considerations in Yair rand's opinion, but the problem is that the definition of the existing property varies across languages. The label in English is much more specific than the ones in other languages even if the descriptions were more restrictive in various languages. Given the somewhat limited use of the existing property, a new one could avoid such issues. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2016-01-21T06:28:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2016-01-17T21:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:28, 21 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose <a href="/wiki/Property:P2047" title="Property:P2047">duration (P2047)</a> is surely enough. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Vlsergey" title="User:Vlsergey">VlSergey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vlsergey" title="User talk:Vlsergey">трёп</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Vlsergey-2016-02-11T10:29:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-12-05T10:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done Use <a href="/wiki/Property:P2047" title="Property:P2047">duration (P2047)</a> instead.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Micru-2016-03-20T22:36:00.000Z-running_time" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Model" data-mw-thread-id="h-Model-2016-01-04T21:27:00.000Z">Model</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2634" title="Property:P2634">model</a> (P2634) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2634" title="Property talk:P2634">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td>artworks</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>items representing people; possibly animals</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> No other suitable property seems to be available. <a href="/wiki/Property:P180" title="Property:P180">depicts (P180)</a> would be confused with the person the image is intended to represent. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-01-04T21:27:00.000Z-Model" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:27, 4 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%D0%9C%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%88%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%87%D0%B8%D1%9B&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Милан Јелисавчић (page does not exist)">Милан Јелисавчић</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%9C%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%88%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%87%D0%B8%D1%9B" title="User talk:Милан Јелисавчић">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Милан_Јелисавчић-2016-01-19T09:20:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-01-04T21:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:20, 19 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Máté-2016-01-31T19:06:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-01-04T21:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:06, 31 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2016-03-07T15:30:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-01-04T21:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done @<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%D0%9C%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%88%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%87%D0%B8%D1%9B&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Милан Јелисавчић (page does not exist)"><bdi>Милан Јелисавчић</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté"><bdi>Máté</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>: --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Micru-2016-03-20T22:46:00.000Z-Model" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="frame_rate" data-mw-thread-id="h-frame_rate-2016-01-27T07:17:00.000Z">frame rate</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>the frame rate of audiovisual work at which its duration was measured</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q119565" title="Q119565">frame rate</a> (Q119565)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>qualifier of <a href="/wiki/Property:P2047" title="Property:P2047">duration (P2047)</a> on <a href="/wiki/Q2431196" title="Q2431196">audiovisual work (Q2431196)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>typically between 12 and 300 (most often but not exclusively 16, 18, 23.976±0.001, 24, 25, 50, 59.94±0.001 or 60) with unit "frame per second" (to be created)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q6074" title="Q6074">Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens (Q6074)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q6074&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q6074&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P2047" title="Property:P2047">duration (P2047)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P2047&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ 135±1 <a href="/wiki/Q7727" title="Q7727">minute (Q7727)</a> ⟩</div> → 24 fps</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> There can be several minutes of difference between the running time of a movie depending on the different frame rates in which it is shown. E.g. the length of Star Wars VII. is 135:27 at 24 fps (theatrical) but 130:02 at 25 fps (PAL, European et al. TV standard) <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.spio-fsk.de/?seitid=70&tid=70&pvid=560330">[1]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Máté-2016-01-27T07:17:00.000Z-frame_rate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:17, 27 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><s><code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Oppose" title="Template:Oppose">Oppose</a>}}</code> this is very technical property, and it describes not the movie itself, but intermediate media used to transfer such creative work, another property may be proposed -- original media, to describe how movie was filmed. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Vlsergey" title="User:Vlsergey">Vlsergey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vlsergey" title="User talk:Vlsergey">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Vlsergey-2016-02-02T06:47:00.000Z-frame_rate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:47, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a></s> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Vlsergey" title="User:Vlsergey"><bdi>Vlsergey</bdi></a>: please read the proposal again. I do not propose it as a property for creative works, but as a qualifier for their running time. – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Máté-2016-02-02T07:09:00.000Z-Vlsergey-2016-02-02T06:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:09, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I've read proposal and studied example in proposal and would say that "135 minutes" will not depends on media used to transfer <a href="/wiki/Q6074" title="Q6074">Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens (Q6074)</a>. It doesn't have a lot of sense with movies with sound. Frame rate just does not define duration for such movies -- one can't speed up or slow down movie by changing frame rate. It may have sense for soundless movies, but then scope of property (and example) should be redefined. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Vlsergey" title="User:Vlsergey">Vlsergey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vlsergey" title="User talk:Vlsergey">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Vlsergey-2016-02-02T07:58:00.000Z-Máté-2016-02-02T07:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:58, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Vlsergey" title="User:Vlsergey"><bdi>Vlsergey</bdi></a>: but it is common practice. To begin with neither NTSC or PAL is capable of the transmission of the 35 mm native 24 fps (for NTSC it is always slowed down to ~23.976 fps, for PAL it is always sped up to 25 fps, the sound along with it). This changes the running time by several minutes. Moreover, TV shows are often sped up for reruns to allow more time for ads, especially in the US. Many old films were somewhat sped up to fit the requirements of 21st century digital containers. There are differences in running time even between theatrical screening methods. – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Máté-2016-02-02T08:13:00.000Z-Vlsergey-2016-02-02T07:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>(The change in the speed of the sound is also normally indicated by the change in fps. – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Máté-2016-02-02T08:16:00.000Z-Vlsergey-2016-02-02T07:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:16, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a>) <dl><dd>It's the first time i'm reading about changing sound of published movie. Okay, would you mind to provide example for <a href="/wiki/Q6074" title="Q6074">Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens (Q6074)</a>? I.e. reliable sources that provides tables of different duration and fps? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Vlsergey" title="User:Vlsergey">Vlsergey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vlsergey" title="User talk:Vlsergey">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Vlsergey-2016-02-03T05:55:00.000Z-Máté-2016-02-02T08:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:55, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>See the link in the proposal to the certificate by <a href="/wiki/Q329126" title="Q329126">Freiwillige Selbstkontrolle der Filmwirtschaft (Q329126)</a>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.spio-fsk.de/?seitid=70&tid=70&pvid=560330">[2]</a>. Also, the <a href="/wiki/Q861670" title="Q861670">British Board of Film Classification (Q861670)</a> lists it at different running times for 70 mm IMAX and IMAX 3D: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/star-wars-force-awakens-2015">[3]</a> (bottom of the page, open "Features" menu). – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Máté-2016-02-03T06:22:00.000Z-Vlsergey-2016-02-03T05:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:22, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>ohhhh... It really happens. Thank you for links! -- <a href="/wiki/User:Vlsergey" title="User:Vlsergey">Vlsergey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vlsergey" title="User talk:Vlsergey">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Vlsergey-2016-02-03T08:09:00.000Z-Máté-2016-02-03T06:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>No problem. :) – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Máté-2016-02-03T08:14:00.000Z-Vlsergey-2016-02-03T08:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:14, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done No support.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Micru-2016-03-20T22:48:00.000Z-frame_rate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="ID_in_Russian_public_register_of_films" data-mw-thread-id="h-ID_in_Russian_public_register_of_films-2016-01-31T15:04:00.000Z">ID in Russian public register of films</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2636" title="Property:P2636">Minkultury film ID</a> (P2636) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2636" title="Property talk:P2636">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>work ID in the Russian Ministry of culture's public register of films</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2431196" title="Q2431196">audiovisual work (Q2431196)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>\d+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q6074" title="Q6074">Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens (Q6074)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://mkrf.ru/registr/detail.php?ID=172805401">172805401</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://mkrf.ru/registr/">Russian public register of films</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://mkrf.ru/registr/detail.php?ID=$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> It's a big official database maintained by the Russian Ministry of culture. —<a href="/wiki/User:Putnik" title="User:Putnik">putnik</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Putnik-2016-01-31T15:04:00.000Z-ID_in_Russian_public_register_of_films" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 31 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Máté-2016-01-31T19:06:00.000Z-Putnik-2016-01-31T15:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:06, 31 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support -- <a href="/wiki/User:Vlsergey" title="User:Vlsergey">Vlsergey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vlsergey" title="User talk:Vlsergey">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Vlsergey-2016-02-01T12:30:00.000Z-Putnik-2016-01-31T15:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 1 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done @<a href="/wiki/User:Putnik" title="User:Putnik"><bdi>putnik</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté"><bdi>Máté</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Vlsergey" title="User:Vlsergey"><bdi>Vlsergey</bdi></a>: --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Micru-2016-03-20T23:05:00.000Z-ID_in_Russian_public_register_of_films" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="RARS_rating" data-mw-thread-id="h-RARS_rating-2016-01-31T15:04:00.000Z">RARS rating</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2637" title="Property:P2637">RARS rating</a> (P2637) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2637" title="Property talk:P2637">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Russian Age Rating System rating of work</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q4114937" title="Q4114937">RARS rating system</a> (Q4114937)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2431196" title="Q2431196">audiovisual work (Q2431196)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>0+, 6+, 12+, 16+, 18+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q6074" title="Q6074">Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens (Q6074)</a> → 12+</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://mkrf.ru/registr/">Russian public register of films</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> Like <a href="/wiki/Property:P2363" title="Property:P2363">NMHH film rating (P2363)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1981" title="Property:P1981">FSK film rating (P1981)</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:Putnik" title="User:Putnik">putnik</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Putnik-2016-01-31T15:04:00.000Z-RARS_rating" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 31 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support -- <a href="/wiki/User:Vlsergey" title="User:Vlsergey">Vlsergey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vlsergey" title="User talk:Vlsergey">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Vlsergey-2016-02-02T06:48:00.000Z-Putnik-2016-01-31T15:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:48, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Máté-2016-01-31T19:06:00.000Z-Putnik-2016-01-31T15:04:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:06, 31 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done @<a href="/wiki/User:Putnik" title="User:Putnik"><bdi>putnik</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Vlsergey" title="User:Vlsergey"><bdi>Vlsergey</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté"><bdi>Máté</bdi></a>:--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Micru-2016-03-20T23:07:00.000Z-RARS_rating" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:07, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Credit_line" data-mw-thread-id="h-Credit_line-2016-02-04T15:17:00.000Z">Credit line</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>line used by museums per inventory item to describe the method of donation/acquisition. For Wikimedia commons, the original uploader</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>Wikipedia infobox parameters, if any; ex: "population" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:infobox_settlement" class="extiw" title="en:template:infobox settlement">en:template:infobox settlement</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Inventory number (P217), Image (P18)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>"uploaded by XXX", "bequest of XXX on behalf of ZZZ", etc.</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q22570179" title="Q22570179">Portrait of Sir Robert Phelips (Q22570179)</a> → P217 = NPG 3790, "Given by Charles E. Russell, 1951" <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portraitLarge/mw04971/Sir-Robert-Phelips?search=ap&npgno=3790">[4]</a></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>(sample: 7 digit number can be validated with edit filter <a href="/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/17" title="Special:AbuseFilter/17">Special:AbuseFilter/17</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc.</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Should or are bots or gadgets doing any task with this? (Checking other properties for consistency, collecting data, etc.)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Part of an ongoing effort to model copyright status. <a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jane023-2016-02-04T15:17:00.000Z-Credit_line" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Aside from the GLAM use-case (e.g. The bequest statement that is a formal part of the attribution to many artworks, as displayed on the walls in museums), this could be particularly useful when we eventually start handling Commons metadata in Wikidata (the Structured Data) project. Without an appropriate free-text field for attribution information it would require that we create a Wikidata item for every single uploader to Commons. Also, because the "image" property is already a direct link to the file on Commons, the "credit line" property could be a Qualifier to it. <a href="/wiki/User:Wittylama" title="User:Wittylama">Wittylama</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wittylama" title="User talk:Wittylama">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Wittylama-2016-02-04T15:30:00.000Z-Credit_line" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Yes, so this property is a part of common image metadata currently used by GLAMs and Wikimedia projects, but not yet documented. See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_line" class="extiw" title="en:Credit line">en:Credit line</a> as an example of how metadata fields of artworks such as this one still have a long way to go. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jane023-2016-02-04T15:35:00.000Z-Wittylama-2016-02-04T15:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>We already have <a href="/wiki/Property:P50" title="Property:P50">author (P50)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P170" title="Property:P170">creator (P170)</a> and others. I don't think that adding another property like this would help anything. Can't we just make an existing property slightly more generic to cover any possible attribution target? <a href="/wiki/User:Nemo_bis" title="User:Nemo bis">Nemo</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Nemo_bis-2016-02-04T15:56:00.000Z-Jane023-2016-02-04T15:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Turning "creator" into a free-text field would solve the problem I identify in my comment, but would also create further problems by breaking the structure of the property as it was originally created - to create the structured data relationship between works and authors. Also, it would not solve the question addressed by the proposal - of being able to incorporate GLAM metadata for their artworks for the bequest information (which is different to the authorship information). <a href="/wiki/User:Wittylama" title="User:Wittylama">Wittylama</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wittylama" title="User talk:Wittylama">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Wittylama-2016-02-04T16:38:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2016-02-04T15:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> This property is not to be confused with the attribution. This property has to do with provenance only. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jane023-2016-02-04T18:29:00.000Z-Credit_line" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>In the current form the proposal says "For Wikimedia commons, the original uploader"? What? Can you give an example of that? I also wonder what this has to do with copyright. Credit line is just a friendly way of providing provenance, it doesn't have to do anything with copyright. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Multichill-2016-02-05T17:21:00.000Z-Jane023-2016-02-04T18:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>An example of a credit line being the original uploader rather than the Commons uploader is here: <a href="/wiki/File:Flickr_-_USCapitol_-_Library_of_Congress.jpg" title="File:Flickr - USCapitol - Library of Congress.jpg">File:Flickr - USCapitol - Library of Congress.jpg</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jane023-2016-02-17T22:21:00.000Z-Multichill-2016-02-05T17:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 17 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done No support.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Micru-2016-03-20T23:09:00.000Z-Credit_line" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:09, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="number_of_parts_of_a_work_of_art" data-mw-thread-id="h-number_of_parts_of_a_work_of_art-2016-02-25T10:19:00.000Z">number of parts of a work of art</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2635" title="Property:P2635">number of parts of this work</a> (P2635) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2635" title="Property talk:P2635">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>the number of parts of a work of art, such as the number of movements in a composition</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q838948" title="Q838948">work of art (Q838948)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>classical music: <a href="/wiki/Q1230598" title="Q1230598">Divertimento for Orchestra (Q1230598)</a> → 7; <a href="/wiki/Q11989" title="Q11989">Symphony No. 9 (Q11989)</a> → 4; <a href="/wiki/Q211971" title="Q211971">The Well-Tempered Clavier (Q211971)</a> → 96 dance: <a href="/wiki/Q199786" title="Q199786">Swan Lake (Q199786)</a> → 29 painting: <a href="/wiki/Q829270" title="Q829270">The Four Apostles (Q829270)</a> → 2</td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>none</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>unknown</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Hi, I think it might be valuable to have a property for the number of parts in a work of art, e.g. the number of pieces in a composition such as a symphony that has three, four or five movements. Maybe limiting this property to music is a better idea, maybe it's better to expand it to all types of art. Maybe such a property already exists and I just could not find it. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Gnom" title="User:Gnom">Gnom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnom" title="User talk:Gnom">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Gnom-2016-02-25T10:19:00.000Z-number_of_parts_of_a_work_of_art" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:19, 25 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. If you expand this to all forms of art. This will be useful to store the number of chapters of a book, of acts of a play, etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-02-27T10:47:00.000Z-number_of_parts_of_a_work_of_art" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:47, 27 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support if expanded to all forms of art, as a subproperty of <a href="/wiki/Property:P1114" title="Property:P1114">quantity (P1114)</a>, with <a href="/wiki/Template:Constraint:Units" title="Template:Constraint:Units">template:Constraint:Units</a>. A good list of units to start with might be: <a href="/wiki/Q1980247" title="Q1980247">chapter (Q1980247)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q571" title="Q571">book (Q571)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q1983062" title="Q1983062">episode (Q1983062)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q3464665" title="Q3464665">television series season (Q3464665)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q11424" title="Q11424">film (Q11424)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q929848" title="Q929848">movement (Q929848)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q2115663" title="Q2115663">section (Q2115663)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q7401" title="Q7401">part (Q7401)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q421744" title="Q421744">act (Q421744)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q1185607" title="Q1185607">scene (Q1185607)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q7366" title="Q7366">song (Q7366)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q14916053" title="Q14916053">number (Q14916053)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q1348059" title="Q1348059">panel (Q1348059)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q1756348" title="Q1756348">stanza (Q1756348)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q1661" title="Q1661">verse (Q1661)</a>. Properties <a href="/wiki/Property:P1113" title="Property:P1113">number of episodes (P1113)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P2437" title="Property:P2437">number of seasons (P2437)</a> should either be removed, or marked as subproperties of this one. <a href="/wiki/User:Swpb" title="User:Swpb">Swpb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swpb" title="User talk:Swpb">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Swpb-2016-02-29T15:15:00.000Z-Thierry_Caro-2016-02-27T10:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment. We may add to this list of possible units <a href="/wiki/Q1366174" title="Q1366174">panel (Q1366174)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q3391389" class="mw-redirect" title="Q3391389">page (comic) (Q3391389)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q15922520" class="mw-redirect" title="Q15922520">couplet (Q15922520)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q3000869" title="Q3000869">song verse (Q3000869)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q194431" title="Q194431">paragraph (Q194431)</a> and probably a few others. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-01T20:29:00.000Z-Swpb-2016-02-29T15:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. A user just asked about a method to get this kind of count automatically on ptwiki (for TV anime episodes). <a href="/wiki/User:He7d3r" title="User:He7d3r">Helder</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-He7d3r-2016-03-20T22:06:00.000Z-Thierry_Caro-2016-02-27T10:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done @<a href="/wiki/User:Gnom" title="User:Gnom"><bdi>Gnom</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro"><bdi>Thierry Caro</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Swpb" title="User:Swpb"><bdi>Swpb</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:He7d3r" title="User:He7d3r"><bdi>He7d3r</bdi></a>: --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Micru-2016-03-20T22:53:00.000Z-number_of_parts_of_a_work_of_art" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:53, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BBFC_rating" data-mw-thread-id="h-BBFC_rating-2016-03-11T21:12:00.000Z">BBFC rating</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2629" title="Property:P2629">BBFC rating</a> (P2629) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2629" title="Property talk:P2629">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q11424" title="Q11424">film (Q11424)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q15416" title="Q15416">television program (Q15416)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q7889" title="Q7889">video game (Q7889)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>U, PG, 12A, 12, 15, <a href="/wiki/Q4557532" title="Q4557532">18 certificate (Q4557532)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q7274429" title="Q7274429">R18 certificate (Q7274429)</a>, and maybe <a href="/wiki/Q5324831" title="Q5324831">E certificate (Q5324831)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q16635326" title="Q16635326">Ex Machina (Q16635326)</a> → 15</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> See <a href="/wiki/Property:P1657" title="Property:P1657">MPA film rating (P1657)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1981" title="Property:P1981">FSK film rating (P1981)</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Property:P2363" title="Property:P2363">NMHH film rating (P2363)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Máté-2016-03-11T21:12:00.000Z-BBFC_rating" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:12, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté"><bdi>Máté</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P2629" title="Property:P2629">BBFC rating (P2629)</a>. Please complete the list of permitted items, then add your example to the property documentation. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-19T21:01:00.000Z-BBFC_rating" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Type_locality_or_co-type_localities_(geology)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Type_locality_or_co-type_localities_(geology)-2016-03-24T12:20:00.000Z">Type locality or co-type localities (geology)</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2695" title="Property:P2695">type locality (geology)</a> (P2695) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2695" title="Property talk:P2695">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>location of the first occurrence(s) of a valid mineral</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1973416" title="Q1973416">type locality</a> (Q1973416)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q3658269" title="Q3658269">carboborite (Q3658269)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q23498113" class="mw-redirect" title="Q23498113">Da Qaidam Hu (Q23498113)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>mindat.org, mineralienatlas.de, Handbook of Mineralogy (MSA), reference search (<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://rruff.info/rruff_1.0/reference_search.php">[5]</a>), IMA-CNMNC Newsletters</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <dl><dd>Valid minerals need a type locality (geology). --<a href="/wiki/User:Chris.urs-o" title="User:Chris.urs-o">Chris.urs-o</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris.urs-o" title="User talk:Chris.urs-o">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Chris.urs-o-2016-03-24T12:20:00.000Z-Type_locality_or_co-type_localities_(geology)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><s><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-24T14:45:00.000Z-Chris.urs-o-2016-03-24T12:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></s> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose I supported as "type locality", but the (unexplained) change in label suggests that this now conflates two properties. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-25T13:55:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-24T14:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Sorry, I do not know which label is better. The label has a possible alias. --<a href="/wiki/User:Chris.urs-o" title="User:Chris.urs-o">Chris.urs-o</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris.urs-o" title="User talk:Chris.urs-o">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Chris.urs-o-2016-03-25T16:55:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-25T13:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:55, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Chris.urs-o" title="User:Chris.urs-o"><bdi>Chris.urs-o</bdi></a>: The Wikipedia article <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_locality_(geology)" class="extiw" title="en:Type locality (geology)">en:Type locality (geology)</a> makes no mention of "(co-)type locality", nor does it have an entry for the latter. Perhaps you could explain, or point to some other resource which does so? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-25T18:45:00.000Z-Chris.urs-o-2016-03-25T16:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Valid minerals have sometimes more than one type locality. Mindat.org switches from 'type locality' (singular) (example: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.mindat.org/min-1875.html">[6]</a>) to 'co-type localities' (plural) (example: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.mindat.org/min-1598.html">[7]</a>), mineralienatlas.de sticks to '(co-)type locality'. --<a href="/wiki/User:Chris.urs-o" title="User:Chris.urs-o">Chris.urs-o</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris.urs-o" title="User talk:Chris.urs-o">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Chris.urs-o-2016-03-26T05:17:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-25T18:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:17, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li>so one ("co-type localities") is just the plural of the other? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-27T17:23:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-25T18:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Right, so I understand it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Chris.urs-o" title="User:Chris.urs-o">Chris.urs-o</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris.urs-o" title="User talk:Chris.urs-o">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Chris.urs-o-2016-03-28T08:28:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-27T17:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Thank you - label duly modified, for clarity. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-28T12:43:00.000Z-Chris.urs-o-2016-03-28T08:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support We had a similar discussion here: <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/17#Type_locality_.28Locus_typicus.29_.2F_Typlokalit.C3.A4t.2C_Typenfundort_.28Biologie.29" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/17">Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/17#Type_locality_.28Locus_typicus.29_.2F_Typlokalit.C3.A4t.2C_Typenfundort_.28Biologie.29</a>. I don't think that using <a href="/wiki/Property:P189" title="Property:P189">location of discovery (P189)</a> captures the same concept. - Also maybe one of the aliases could be "type material" so we could also use it to link to minerals that have a meteorite as a type locality. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Tobias1984-2016-03-27T12:30:00.000Z-Chris.urs-o-2016-03-24T12:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Should this perhaps double up as a property for the type locality of a taxon? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-27T17:23:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2016-03-27T12:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Type locality (geology) is for valid minerals, rocks and stratigraphy. <a href="/wiki/Q2405146" title="Q2405146">Type locality (biology)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">User:Succu</a>) for the tree of life is another item. I do not think that it is a good idea to double up. We should leave Earth Sciences and Life Sciences separated. We are asking for trouble if we mix it up. Sub-properties might be a good idea. --<a href="/wiki/User:Chris.urs-o" title="User:Chris.urs-o">Chris.urs-o</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris.urs-o" title="User talk:Chris.urs-o">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Chris.urs-o-2016-03-28T08:25:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-27T17:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:25, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Can you say why you think it would not be a good idea? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-28T12:44:00.000Z-Chris.urs-o-2016-03-28T08:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:44, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I have a bad feeling. @<a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya"><bdi>Brya</bdi></a>: and @<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu"><bdi>Succu</bdi></a>: is it ok for you two? --<a href="/wiki/User:Chris.urs-o" title="User:Chris.urs-o">Chris.urs-o</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris.urs-o" title="User talk:Chris.urs-o">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Chris.urs-o-2016-03-28T16:14:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-28T12:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>I don't really know; in the past such a combined property has been proposed and failed to make it. In most of taxonomy the concept of "type locality" is not all that important. Perhaps for fossils it will be most similar to geology. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Brya-2016-03-28T16:32:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2016-03-27T12:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Not important to whom? It's a piece of verifiable data about the subject, and is obviously important to those who record it. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-28T18:51:00.000Z-Brya-2016-03-28T16:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:51, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>The domains should not overlap. One reason is to have domain specific constraints. --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Succu-2016-03-28T19:07:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-28T18:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Property:P2348" title="Property:P2348">time period (P2348)</a> mixing „archaeological and palaeontological sites and finds; historical events; geological sites” is a good example. --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Succu-2016-03-28T22:23:00.000Z-Succu-2016-03-28T19:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Not important to taxonomy. The location where the type was found is a piece of data, like the date of collecting. It has no formal status, unlike the place where the type is kept. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Brya-2016-03-29T05:44:00.000Z-Succu-2016-03-28T22:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:44, 29 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I think that we should stick to one property/ sub-property for each item, so we keep things simple and clear. If we lose the overview, things get useless. --<a href="/wiki/User:Chris.urs-o" title="User:Chris.urs-o">Chris.urs-o</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris.urs-o" title="User talk:Chris.urs-o">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Chris.urs-o-2016-03-29T06:29:00.000Z-Brya-2016-03-29T05:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:29, 29 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>We should probably just create this one soon, as there is no opposition. Trying to define the scope of a property like this is usually too difficult and it is easier to see where it goes once we gather some data. Even if it is added to some taxons it would not harm the exisiting ontologies in that field and splitting them later should be fairly easy. Especially since the taxonomic ontology seems to be very solid now on Wikidata. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Tobias1984-2016-03-29T20:51:00.000Z-Chris.urs-o-2016-03-29T06:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 29 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Yes there is opposition; look above. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-29T21:01:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2016-03-29T20:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 29 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: I read your commments and I think my comment covered your concerns, but correct me if I'm wrong. Unless there is a really strong ground to oppose the creation of this property, I will create it in a few days. As mentioned above, I don't think we should constrain the usage too much at the beginning and gather some experience. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Tobias1984-2016-03-30T18:35:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-29T21:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:35, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I'm not sure understand you, but to be clear; I object to the creation of a property just for mineral types. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-30T18:41:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2016-03-30T18:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:41, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: Thank you for clarifying. And yes, that is what I think we should do. Leave the constraints open and once we have a few hundred statements we can see if a division between earth, life, or any other sciences is needed. This is what Wikidata's default should be anyway, because is was intended as an open-world assuming database. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Tobias1984-2016-03-30T18:49:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-30T18:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>The problem with that is that it potentially leaves it open to a "land grab" - whoever uses the property most gets to "own" it. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-30T18:53:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2016-03-30T18:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>This is still vague hand-waving: "things get useless" is unsubstantiated. Please give a concrete example of a problem you think this might cause. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-29T21:01:00.000Z-Brya-2016-03-29T05:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 29 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li>We are not limited to things that are important for taxonomy; nor that have "formal status" in that one field. This is Wikidata, not Wikitaxonomy. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-29T21:01:00.000Z-Brya-2016-03-29T05:44:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 29 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>Do we? Is our system for constraints so limited? Perhaps we need to look at it more closely; this is an issue that won't just affect this one property, or a few properties, and we need to be clear on our general approach. I've therefore raised the matter at <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#General_properties_vs_constraints" title="Wikidata:Project chat">Wikidata:Project chat#General properties vs constraints</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-29T21:53:00.000Z-Succu-2016-03-28T19:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 29 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li>I agree with Tobias and Brya, Life Sciences is a smaller issue. Mixing up Earth Sciences and Life Sciences domain gets me a bad feeling, but I am not able to substantiate it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Chris.urs-o" title="User:Chris.urs-o">Chris.urs-o</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris.urs-o" title="User talk:Chris.urs-o">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Chris.urs-o-2016-03-30T02:21:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-28T18:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support but restricted to geology to avoid misusages, because in biological taxonomy this is not a common and well defined term. --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Succu-2016-03-30T19:32:00.000Z-Chris.urs-o-2016-03-24T12:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>That's not the impression given by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_(biology)" class="extiw" title="en:Type (biology)">en:Type (biology)</a>, nor the sources it cites. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-31T17:47:00.000Z-Succu-2016-03-30T19:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:47, 31 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>If we want to express information about the <a href="/wiki/Q3707858" title="Q3707858">type (Q3707858)</a> of a taxon we use <a href="/wiki/Property:P427" title="Property:P427">taxonomic type (P427)</a>. Have a look at <a href="/wiki/Q19359611" title="Q19359611">Rausch 572 (Q19359611)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Succu-2016-03-31T19:26:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-31T17:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 31 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I see I was wrong, and that the zoological Code does give formal status to "type locality", in that it defines it. As far as I can see the zoological Code does not use "type locality", beyond this defining of it. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Brya-2016-04-01T05:27:00.000Z-Succu-2016-03-31T19:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:27, 1 April 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Tobias1984-2016-04-02T18:14:00.000Z-Type_locality_or_co-type_localities_(geology)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 2 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Davis_Cup_player_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Davis_Cup_player_ID-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z">Davis Cup player ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2641" title="Property:P2641">Davis Cup player ID</a> (P2641) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2641" title="Property talk:P2641">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for a tennis player, in the Davis Cup database</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q132377" title="Q132377">Davis Cup</a> (Q132377)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:DavisCup_player" class="extiw" title="en:Template:DavisCup player">Template:DavisCup player</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Q5</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q105550" title="Q105550">Rod Laver (Q105550)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.daviscup.com/en/players/player/profile.aspx?playerid=10002749">10002749</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.daviscup.com/">http://www.daviscup.com/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.daviscup.com/en/players/player/profile.aspx?playerid=$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:EdgarsBot" title="User:EdgarsBot">My bot</a> can import values from Wikipedias</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Last(?) two (with FedCup player) IDs to improve tennis player reference graph. Used widely in several Wikipedias. <a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z-Davis_Cup_player_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:54, 9 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - <a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans">NavinoEvans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NavinoEvans" title="User talk:NavinoEvans">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-NavinoEvans-2016-03-11T14:48:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken">Løken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L%C3%B8ken" title="User talk:Løken">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Løken-2016-03-19T12:19:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T11:34:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:34, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done @<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007"><bdi>Edgars2007</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans"><bdi>NavinoEvans</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken"><bdi>Løken</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-23T09:52:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:52, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="FedCup_player_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-FedCup_player_ID-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z">FedCup player ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2642" title="Property:P2642">Billie Jean King Cup player ID</a> (P2642) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2642" title="Property talk:P2642">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for a tennis player, in the Fed Cup database</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q206984" title="Q206984">Billie Jean King Cup</a> (Q206984)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:FedCup_player" class="extiw" title="en:Template:FedCup player">Template:FedCup player</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Q5</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q11677" title="Q11677">Lindsay Davenport (Q11677)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.fedcup.com/en/players/player/profile.aspx?playerid=20001736">20001736</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.fedcup.com/">http://www.fedcup.com/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.fedcup.com/en/players/player/profile.aspx?playerid=$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:EdgarsBot" title="User:EdgarsBot">My bot</a> can import values from Wikipedias</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Last(?) two (with Davis Cup player) IDs to improve tennis player reference graph. Used widely in several Wikipedias. <a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z-FedCup_player_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:54, 9 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - <a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans">NavinoEvans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NavinoEvans" title="User talk:NavinoEvans">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-NavinoEvans-2016-03-14T10:49:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:49, 14 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken">Løken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L%C3%B8ken" title="User talk:Løken">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Løken-2016-03-19T12:20:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T14:30:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done @<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007"><bdi>Edgars2007</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans"><bdi>NavinoEvans</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken"><bdi>Løken</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-23T09:57:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:57, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="applies_to_aspect" data-mw-thread-id="h-applies_to_aspect-2015-10-28T11:11:00.000Z">applies to aspect</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>aspect of the item for which the claim is valid; synonyms: "in relation to", "with respect to", "relates to"</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>this would be a qualifier on statements</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>type of linked items (Q template or text), list or range of allowed values, string pattern...</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q175945" title="Q175945">North Lincolnshire (Q175945)</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P131" title="Property:P131">located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q20989059" class="mw-redirect" title="Q20989059">Lincolnshire (Q20989059)</a> "with respect to" <a href="/wiki/Q180673" title="Q180673">ceremonial county of England (Q180673)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q23077" title="Q23077">Lancashire (Q23077)</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P47" title="Property:P47">shares border with (P47)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q23064" title="Q23064">Cheshire (Q23064)</a> "with respect to" <a href="/wiki/Q1138494" title="Q1138494">historic county of England (Q1138494)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> This would be a generalisation of <a href="/wiki/Property:P518" title="Property:P518">applies to part, aspect, or form (P518)</a> to cover cases where the statement-value applies not to part of the subject, but in connection with an aspect of it. For example, with <a href="/wiki/Property:P131" title="Property:P131">located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)</a>, one could indicate that some area was a subdivision of one area in respect of one scheme (eg current administration), but a subdivision of a different area in respect of a different scheme (eg a scheme of traditional subdivisions), or another area again in respect of further schemes (eg police areas, ambulance areas, fire service areas). This is a different thing to P518, which would would indicate that the statement only applied to part of a geographical area. Also, where we have an item that is covering multiple roles, it can be useful to indicate which role for that item a statement applies to -- for example if the same item is covering two different types of administrative areas that cover the same ground, there may be different values of <a href="/wiki/Property:P6" title="Property:P6">head of government (P6)</a> in relation to the different roles. This is not to preclude the items later being split into different items for the different roles; or more specific properties later being invented to cover particular types of relationships. But I think it is useful, at the very least, to have a generic property to allow information to be untangled in the structures we have, while discussions as to how those structures might be refined may be ongoing. <a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald">Jheald</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jheald" title="User talk:Jheald">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jheald-2015-10-28T11:11:00.000Z-applies_to_aspect" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 28 October 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment normally, the value of P31 wouldn't be repeated systematically as qualifier when an item is being used. If handeling two parallel hierarchies in P131 is difficult, maybe it's worth creating a distinct property for ceremonial counties. BTW there is a generic qualifier <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P794&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P794 (page does not exist)">P794 (P794)</a>. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-10-31T10:11:00.000Z-Jheald-2015-10-28T11:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:11, 31 October 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>It's not just a P131 problem, and it's not just ceremonial counties. For example, this could equally arise with identifiers, where different contexts of the same item might have different identifiers, sometimes even in the same database. This may occur where an item has more than one P31 -- there needs to be a way to say which one which identifier applies to.</dd> <dd>But even for the P131 case, it's not just the present ceremonial counties. There are other old administrative structures, and one would want to record in relation to which structure the hierarchical relationship existed. <a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald">Jheald</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jheald" title="User talk:Jheald">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jheald-2015-10-31T18:26:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-10-31T10:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 31 October 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>In general, I think this suggests you'd need separate items. We would really need samples to discuss this. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-10-31T23:43:00.000Z-Jheald-2015-10-31T18:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 31 October 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I agree. I'd say if an administrative unit is replaced by a new one we also should use "replaced by" to link the items old/new unit. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2015-11-01T09:55:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-10-31T23:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:55, 1 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>At <a href="/wiki/Q1032451" title="Q1032451">Poplar and Limehouse (Q1032451)</a> there is the statement <a href="/wiki/Property:P1365" title="Property:P1365">replaces (P1365)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q3134130" title="Q3134130">Bethnal Green and Bow (Q3134130)</a>, but it only replaced parts of <a href="/wiki/Q3134130" title="Q3134130">Bethnal Green and Bow (Q3134130)</a>, which still exists as a current constituency but with different borders (<a href="/wiki/Q1032451" title="Q1032451">Poplar and Limehouse (Q1032451)</a> is the majority of the previous <a href="/wiki/Q3403573" title="Q3403573">Poplar and Canning Town (Q3403573)</a> but unlike Bethnal Green and Bow it changed names and so got a new article/item. Other than listing wards (which don't have items afaict) with <a href="/wiki/Property:P518" title="Property:P518">applies to part, aspect, or form (P518)</a> how do we reflect this? It seems like something this might work for. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2015-11-01T11:41:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-11-01T09:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 1 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>: I'd use <a href="/wiki/Property:P807" title="Property:P807">separated from (P807)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P807&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> for this.</dd> <dd>I think we should have a property like "located in the (exact) same territory" to link an administrative unit to the main (by convention) teritory of the administration of the country. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2015-11-02T12:42:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2015-11-01T11:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 2 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><dl><dd>"Contains, Contained by, Contains major portion of, Primarily contained by, Partially contains, Partially contains, Partially contained by" might work better than P131.</dd> <dd>In any case, I'm not sure if this or P131 is ideal to model <a href="/wiki/Q476310" title="Q476310">gerrymandering (Q476310)</a>. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-11-02T13:12:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-11-02T12:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:12, 2 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Property:P131" title="Property:P131">located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)</a> is ill defined, if defined at all :) There is a least two things countained in it, locality and political organisation : american states depends on the general state who define some federal rules, and they are geographically contained (and they covers taken together) in the US territory/. More than Partially contains / Partially contained by I'd use a single symmetric property geographically overlaps with. I'd tend to be OK with Contains / Contained by, but we lack the covers property This is a similar case with class covering by subclasses in <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:PP" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:PP">PP</a>|Generic|subclass}}</code>, I'd propose a similar solution, for the same reason. Yet we would have to solve the political hierarchies/relationships beetween entities. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2015-11-02T14:10:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-11-02T13:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:10, 2 November 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>Oh, and I still think we need a property to say the territory is shared because there might be several division (state, religious or whatever) with different administration but who aligns with state administration division for convenience. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2015-11-02T14:13:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-11-02T13:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:13, 2 November 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Comment. I have mostly held off from creating new items so far working on administrative entities in the UK. <a href="/wiki/User:Danrok" title="User:Danrok">User:Danrok</a> originally <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_UK_and_Ireland#Wikipedia_UK_place_articles_are_muddled_up.21" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject UK and Ireland">raised the concern</a> that we were sometimes combining onto one item various different aspects of an entity, that were regarded as different things by the Ordnance Survey. He raised the case of <a href="/wiki/Q36405" title="Q36405">Aberdeen (Q36405)</a>, which we have as both a city and a unitary authority. I haven't looked at the Scottish structures yet, but I think an analogue is eg <a href="/wiki/Q350" title="Q350">Cambridge (Q350)</a> which on WIkidata (and Wikipedia) we currently have as both a city and a non-metropolitan district. The OS has two records, one for <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000001255">the administrative district</a> and one as a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/50kGazetteer/42107">named place</a>. In this case I think we probably are right to keep one record, as Cambridge the place for most purposes equals Cambridge the city, the boundaries of which are currently defined by the boundaries of the district. But as one gets down to the 'Civil Parish' level there may be questions when we have ABCD as both a village and a civil parish, does a stated area correspond to the area of the parish, or the area of the core settlement. The "co-classes" links at <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_UK_and_Ireland/adm/England#Items_by_subdivision_type" title="Wikidata:WikiProject UK and Ireland/adm/England">Wikidata:WikiProject_UK_and_Ireland/adm/England#Items_by_subdivision_type</a> give counts of what other classes the administrative entities are also listed as instances of. On the other hand, until we have properties we want to hang off these items, I am loath to break them up -- for one thing, which item would the en-wiki article link to, and how would its infobox also find and extract statistics from the related item?</dd> <dd>One set of items I have started to break up is Ceremonial Counties, where the area administered by the County Council is now smaller than the full ceremonial county. So I have started creating the new items returned by <a class="external text" href="https://query.wikidata.org/embed.html#%23%20%20Query%20to%20find%20classes%20and%20top-level%20subclasses%0A%20%23%20%20for%20items%20with%20P31%2FP279%2B%20Q17334923%20%20%23%20location%0A%20%23%20%20and%20have%20P17%20Q145%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%23%20UK%0A%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20SELECT%20%3Fplace%20%28SAMPLE%28%3Fplace_label%29%20AS%20%3Fplace_label%29%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%28SAMPLE%28%3Fen_wiki%29%20AS%20%3Fen_wiki%29%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%28SAMPLE%28%3Fcommonscat%29%20AS%20%3Fcommonscat%29%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%28SAMPLE%28%3Fgss%29%20AS%20%3Fgss%29%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%28GROUP_CONCAT%28DISTINCT%28%3Fclass_label%29%3B%20separator%20%3D%20%22%3B%20%22%29%20AS%20%3Fclass_list%29%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%28SAMPLE%28%3Fincept_date%29%20AS%20%3Fcreated%29%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%28SAMPLE%28%3Fabolition%29%20AS%20%3Fabol%29%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%28SAMPLE%28%3Fadm%29%20AS%20%3Fadm%29%20%28SAMPLE%28%3Fadm_label%29%20AS%20%3Fadm_label%29%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fplace%20wdt%3AP31%20%3Fclass1%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fplace%20wdt%3AP31%20%3Fclass%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fplace%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Fplace_label%20filter%20%28lang%28%3Fplace_label%29%20%3D%20%22en%22%29%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fclass%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Fclass_label%20filter%20%28lang%28%3Fclass_label%29%20%3D%20%22en%22%29%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20VALUES%20%3Fclass1%20%7B%20wd%3AQ21272231%20%7D%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%23%20English%20non-metropolitan%20county%2C%20English%20unitary%20authority%2C%20English%20metropolitan%20county%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fplace%20wdt%3AP571%20%3Fincept_date%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fplace%20wdt%3AP576%20%3Fabolition%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Farticle%20schema%3Aabout%20%3Fplace%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Farticle%20schema%3AisPartOf%20%3Chttps%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2F%3E.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20BIND%28REPLACE%28REPLACE%28str%28%3Farticle%29%2C%20%27https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%27%2C%20%27%27%29%2C%27%2520%27%2C%27%20%27%29%20AS%20%3Fen_wiki%29%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%7D%0A%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fplace%20wdt%3AP373%20%3Fcommonscat.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fplace%20wdt%3AP131%20%3Fadm%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fadm%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Fadm_label%20filter%20%28lang%28%3Fadm_label%29%20%3D%20%22en%22%29%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%7D%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20BIND%20%28%27missing%27%20AS%20%3Fadm%29%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20BIND%20%28%27---%27%20AS%20%3Fadm_label%29%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%7D%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%3Fplace%20wdt%3AP836%20%3Fgss%7D%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7BBIND%20%28%27missing%27%20AS%20%3Fgss%29%7D%20%0A%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22en%22%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%7D%20GROUP%20BY%20%3Fplace%20ORDER%20BY%20%3Fplace_label">this query</a>. But even here, where we do have two different areas on the ground, I am wondering whether this is the right thing. The infobox for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancashire" class="extiw" title="en:Lancashire">en:Lancashire</a> or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Durham" class="extiw" title="en:County Durham">en:County Durham</a> currently lists both (but not eg any of the other unitary authorities that are part of County Durham). Is it right to split the item? Or should one have area relating to the Ceremonial County and area relating to the Unitary Authority on the same item?</dd> <dd>For counties, I think there may be a case to split. For civil parishes there may be a case to keep together. Either way, I think there is a case to have the functional ability to be able to model the data both ways, whether for long-term purposes, or whether for short-term purposes, to clarify the data in the immediate term, while the long-term structure is being debated/discussed.</dd> <dd>(And this is without prejudice to other cases where one might want to make suitable qualifications -- eg the entities bordering the ceremonial county of Lancashire now, as opposed to the entities bordering its historical form. Yes, one can sometimes denote historic data with start & end dates; but it's nice also to be able to identify it with a particular structural arrangement, that may have been revised at different times in different places). <a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald">Jheald</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jheald" title="User talk:Jheald">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jheald-2015-11-01T17:22:00.000Z-Jheald-2015-10-31T18:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:22, 1 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I don't think you need to model items symmetric to enwiki articles. If one article includes two concepts, they can draw data with random access from two items. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-11-02T13:13:00.000Z-Jheald-2015-11-01T17:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:13, 2 November 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>The usual approach I use is to split things which contain multiple things (e.g. Lincolnshire (the ceremonial county) versus Lincolnshire (the administrative county)) but not split things which don't contain multiple things (e.g. a civil parish which contains only one settlement). Basically, if they didn't have the same name, what would we do? In the former case, it would be a ridiculous idea to merge two things with different names which contain different things (imagine merging England with the UK!). In the latter case, they're not clearly distinct items even with different names (I could imagine having different items, but I could also imagine having one item and saying "the village is called X but the civil parish is officially called Y").</dd> <dd>Another way to look at it: When you want to use the item, if you merge the items in the former case, it becomes far more awkward to link to the item, e.g. how do you distinguish someone born in the ceremonial county of Lincolnshire from the administrative county? You would need to keep adding qualifiers to the statements linking to the item to clarify which of the two you mean and it would be more sensible to just have separate items. On the other hand, if the civil parish only contains one settlement, it's far less of a problem, villages often don't have well-defined borders, so even if we know the exact coordinates of something, we might still have no idea whether it counts as being in the village or not, so for those it's easier to have a single item.</dd> <dd>- <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Nikki-2015-11-02T13:51:00.000Z-Jheald-2015-11-01T17:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 2 November 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose as duplicate to <a href="/wiki/Property:P1013" title="Property:P1013">criterion used (P1013)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Swpb" title="User:Swpb">Swpb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swpb" title="User talk:Swpb">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Swpb-2016-01-07T21:01:00.000Z-Jheald-2015-10-28T11:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 7 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>The <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/16#P1013" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/16">property proposal</a> and uses of <a href="/wiki/Property:P1013" title="Property:P1013">criterion used (P1013)</a> seem different to this proposal to me. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Nikki-2016-03-17T11:01:00.000Z-Swpb-2016-01-07T21:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:01, 17 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald"><bdi>Jheald</bdi></a>: Would you also use this for cases where it's an aspect of the item itself, rather than an aspect of the target item in a statement? E.g. there are a lot of items which have multiple GeoNames and/or GNIS IDs where each ID applies to a different P31 statement on the item. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Nikki-2016-03-17T11:01:00.000Z-Jheald-2015-10-28T11:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:01, 17 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose Because it's general but really vague. Only one example, for which I'd tend to propose the creation of an item for the old entity to avoid a real mess and a really badly scoped item. Think outside data usage, label of the old administrative division ... plus there is already a need of a item for the aspect, it is more simple to put the data in this item. Overall the aspect notion seems totally ill defined. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done no concensus --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-25T01:44:00.000Z-applies_to_aspect" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:44, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="product_/_sum_/_power_/_function_application" data-mw-thread-id="h-product_/_sum_/_power_/_function_application-2015-11-23T21:47:00.000Z">product / sum / power / function application</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>this [unit / mathematical expression] is the product of that [unit / mathematical expression] resp.</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q901718" title="Q901718">product</a> (Q901718)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>units / mathematical expressions / numbers ...</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>units / mathematical expressions / numbers ...</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q182098" title="Q182098">kilowatt hour (Q182098)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q182098&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q182098&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ product <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:product" title="Special:Search/Property:product">Search</a> unknown value <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements#Unknown_or_no_values" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements">Help</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q25236" title="Q25236">watt (Q25236)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q25236&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q25236&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q43016" title="Q43016">1000 (Q43016)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q43016&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q43016&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q25235" title="Q25235">hour (Q25235)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q25235&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q25235&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩</div> ;</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>[unit / mathematical expression / number] is n-th power of</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2233915" title="Q2233915">exponent</a> (Q2233915)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>units / mathematical expressions / numbers ...</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>numbers</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q389813" title="Q389813">square root of 2 (Q389813)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q389813&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q389813&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ power of <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:power_of" title="Special:Search/Property:power of">Search</a> ⟨ Q200 ⟩ power <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:power" title="Special:Search/Property:power">Search</a> ⟨ 0.5 ⟩</div> / <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q389813" title="Q389813">square root of 2 (Q389813)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q389813&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q389813&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ power of <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:power_of" title="Special:Search/Property:power of">Search</a> ⟨ Q200 ⟩ power <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:power" title="Special:Search/Property:power">Search</a> ⟨ Q2114394 ⟩</div> ;</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>this [unit / mathematical expression] is the result of the application of that function with those paramters (ordered).</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>units / mathematical expressions / numbers ...</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>mathematical functions (qualified by parameters value)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ pi/4 ⟩ application of <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:application_of" title="Special:Search/Property:application of">Search</a> ⟨ <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2257242">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2257242</a> ⟩ to value <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:to_value" title="Special:Search/Property:to value">Search</a> ⟨  1 ⟩</div> ; <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q82435" title="Q82435">Euler's number (Q82435)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q82435&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q82435&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ application of <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:application_of" title="Special:Search/Property:application of">Search</a> ⟨ <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q168698">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q168698</a> ⟩ to <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:to" title="Special:Search/Property:to">Search</a> ⟨ <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q199">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q199</a> ⟩</div> ;</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> ADDED LATER <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>this [unit / mathematical expression] is the division of that [unit / mathematical expression] with the ("with" qualifier)</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q901718" title="Q901718">product</a> (Q901718)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>units / mathematical expressions / numbers ...</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>units / mathematical expressions / numbers ... qualified with "with" units / mathematical expressions / numbers ...</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q182098" title="Q182098">kilowatt hour (Q182098)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q182098&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q182098&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ product <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:product" title="Special:Search/Property:product">Search</a> unknown value <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements#Unknown_or_no_values" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements">Help</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q25236" title="Q25236">watt (Q25236)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q25236&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q25236&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q43016" title="Q43016">1000 (Q43016)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q43016&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q43016&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q25235" title="Q25235">hour (Q25235)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q25235&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q25235&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩</div> ;</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>this [unit / mathematical expression] is the sum of that [unit / mathematical expression] resp.</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q901718" title="Q901718">product</a> (Q901718)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>units / mathematical expressions / numbers ...</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>units / mathematical expressions / numbers ...</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q182098" title="Q182098">kilowatt hour (Q182098)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q182098&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q182098&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ sum <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:sum" title="Special:Search/Property:sum">Search</a> unknown value <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements#Unknown_or_no_values" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements">Help</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q25236" title="Q25236">watt (Q25236)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q25236&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q25236&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q43016" title="Q43016">1000 (Q43016)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q43016&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q43016&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q25235" title="Q25235">hour (Q25235)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q25235&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q25235&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩</div> ;</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>ring/field/type of structure</dt></dl> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>mathematical structure</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q748349" title="Q748349">mathematical structure</a> (Q748349)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>units / mathematical expressions / numbers ...</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q748349" title="Q748349">mathematical structure (Q748349)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td>MISSING</td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td>MISSING</td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td>MISSING</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> The qualifiers "of/power/to/with" would maybe need their counterpart with the number datatype because expressions might be either power of raw numbers or of number items or expression items. <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> {{TranslateThis |en= Express mathematical expression in Wikidata. This will allow to express units in terms of other units, to define mathematical constants, ... |fr= Exprimer dans Wikidata des expressions mathématique permet de stocker des formules, de définir les constances mathématiques ou les unités les unes par rapport aux autres, ... <div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:Opensofias" title="User:Opensofias">Opensofias</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Arthur_Rubin" title="User:Arthur Rubin">Arthur Rubin</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Cuvwb" title="User:Cuvwb">Cuvwb</a> <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Physikerwelt" title="User:Physikerwelt">Physikerwelt</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Lymantria" title="User:Lymantria">Lymantria</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Bigbossfarin" title="User:Bigbossfarin">Bigbossfarin</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> <a href="/wiki/User:He7d3r" 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Imagine for example that the height of a mountain is declared in "feet" and the user has a preference for metric system, we need to somehow these data are converted and displayed according to the preference of each user. But also I see no point in stating the same information in different possible units. I just do not really know how it can be done, perhaps through some tool. --<a href="/wiki/User:Almondega" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Almondega">Almondega</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Almondega" title="User talk:Almondega">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Almondega-2015-11-23T23:32:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-11-23T21:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 23 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>That's why in earlier proposal, we suggested to restrict to SI units. But this proposal is at least a proposal to store the correspondance beetween units in a generic way, for example with a statement <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ feet ⟩ product <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:product" title="Special:Search/Property:product">Search</a> unknown value <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements#Unknown_or_no_values" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements">Help</a> of value <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:of_value" title="Special:Search/Property:of value">Search</a> ⟨  0.3048 ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ meter ⟩</div>. Then an infobox or a gadget can analyse this to compute the result in meters / in feet). We could write constraints such that the measures <a href="/wiki/Q107715" title="Q107715">physical quantity (Q107715)</a> are compatible. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2015-11-24T11:36:00.000Z-Almondega-2015-11-23T23:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 24 November 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/15px-GA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/23px-GA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/30px-GA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="183" data-file-height="196"/> Weak support - it feels somehow wrong to me that you are doing this primarily through qualifiers, but the only alternative I can think of given wikidata's current structure is to use several claims rather than one and that can't be right either given how claims are generally independent of each other. I think what we really need is a "list" datatype in wikidata, so that you could have a claim of the sort 'item <product of> [number, item1, item2, ...]' as a single claim (without qualifiers). Is there any prospect for getting a list datatype supported? Other than that, I think a "division" or "ratio" property would be helpful too, when it's a product involving an inverse. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ArthurPSmith-2015-11-24T22:08:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-11-23T21:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 24 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/15px-BA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/23px-BA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/30px-BA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="190" data-file-height="200"/> Weak oppose Mainly because of the value of the claim is set to unknown value. We don't have now a proper way to create this kind of relation. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Snipre-2015-11-25T08:08:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-11-23T21:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:08, 25 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>: unknown value can be set via the web interface or the API, it is the snaktype "somevalue" rather than the normal "value" type. There is also "no value" available. But it does look odd here, which was related to my concern also. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ArthurPSmith-2015-11-25T14:51:00.000Z-Snipre-2015-11-25T08:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 25 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> I know what it is but this clearly shows the problem of this property where there is no way to use the value as valuable information. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Snipre-2015-11-25T15:32:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2015-11-25T14:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 25 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment @<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith"><bdi>ArthurPSmith</bdi></a>: Qualifiers precise the meaning of the claim, and are "closed" or can be considered as closed, cf. <a href="/wiki/User:Markus_Kr%C3%B6tzsch" title="User:Markus Krötzsch">Markus Krötzsch</a> on this mail <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.mail-archive.com/wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org/msg05880.html">https://www.mail-archive.com/wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org/msg05880.html</a> , as opposed to a list of claims that we can't assume to be complete, a claim and it qualifiers are assumed to be complete. If we have a list of qualifiers, there is no missing qualifier. As Here the order is not important, we do not need more to express a close list. The encoding is the one suggested by Markus on the "(Disjoint) union of" proposal upper. Overall I did not see a discussion about a list datatype and I think if we can do without it we don't have to add this to the already pretty loaded plate of the development team. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2015-11-25T15:02:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-11-23T21:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 25 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: I hadn't read the above discussion on the Union proposal; that does make it seem more reasonable. In fact, I think that gives us a way to implement list values in a de facto manner through the use of qualifiers. Instead of using "unknown value", make the target of the product claim an item representing the data type, maybe <a href="/wiki/Q12148816" class="mw-redirect" title="Q12148816">list (Q12148816)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Q36161" title="Q36161">set (Q36161)</a>, and then list the elements via specific qualifiers (we don't seem to have an "has element" property, so maybe that should be proposed also? <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ArthurPSmith-2015-11-25T15:17:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-11-25T15:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 25 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith"><bdi>ArthurPSmith</bdi></a>: I don't really know why saying it is a list is useful, as we already know it's a list by definition of the property. It's something to express on the property item, I guess, no real need to make this redundant claim in every statement with this property. Maybe the type of the elements of the list, or their number, or a dummy labelled item with a comment/statements about the list (the number of elements) ? would be more useful. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2015-11-25T15:32:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2015-11-25T15:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 25 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Almondega" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Almondega"><bdi>Almondega</bdi></a>: <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment what is the status of this proposal now that we have a mathematical expression datatype? It seems to me that there ought to be a way to combine "mathematical expression" with some variable substitution process via qualifiers (as the suggestion above incorporates qualifiers) to allow this to work. But I don't know technically quite how to do that. In any case, I don't think a separate property should be needed for each type of combination (product, ratio, etc). <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-02-11T14:23:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-11-23T21:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:23, 11 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose When you are taking a product, it is really only useful to consider multiple terms. So having a single mathematical expression as the input to the "product" property is not useful. Also, we have to be clear about what ring or field we are working over when considering products and powers.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jasper_Deng" title="User:Jasper Deng">Jasper Deng</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jasper_Deng" title="User talk:Jasper Deng">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jasper_Deng-2016-03-17T06:23:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-11-23T21:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:23, 17 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jasper_Deng" title="User:Jasper Deng"><bdi>Jasper Deng</bdi></a>: We can just create items for other terms of the formula. I'll just note that the existing "formula" datatype is not clear about the meaning of the operators. I completed the proposal according to your comment, please update your comment/vote. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2016-03-24T11:06:00.000Z-Jasper_Deng-2016-03-17T06:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:06, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose For me this seems to be an abuse of qualifiers and unknownvalue to get multivalued claims. The use of unknownvalue is also counterintuitive and so I think many users will not use these properties in the intended way. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-24T10:29:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-11-23T21:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:29, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>: It's not an abuse if we decide it's a legitimate way. Please don't stop stuffs just because of a vague feeling. The intended way can be corrected, it's just a matter of a correct constraint and a message on the use page with a few usage instruction or a pointer to the property page. Plus Markus above gave the idea that any item could actually be used instead of "some value". author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2016-03-24T11:02:00.000Z-Pasleim-2016-03-24T10:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:02, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>: could you also comment on the "union of" proposal higher up on this page which uses the same technique? I didn't see a lot of opposition to it there although I originally had the same concern. Perhaps an item specifically for collections rather than unknown value would be better? Or a Null (or collection!) datatype perhaps? <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-24T13:37:00.000Z-Pasleim-2016-03-24T10:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done, no consensus. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-30T02:09:00.000Z-product_/_sum_/_power_/_function_application" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="interest" data-mw-thread-id="h-interest-2015-12-17T14:09:00.000Z">interest</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2650" title="Property:P2650">interested in</a> (P2650) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2650" title="Property talk:P2650">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>item of special or vested interest to the subject</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q3153794" title="Q3153794">Interest</a> (Q3153794)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>organizations or people</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>items</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q21755493" title="Q21755493">European Holocaust Research Infrastructure (Q21755493)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q21755493&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q21755493&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ interest <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:_interest" title="Special:Search/Property: interest">Search</a> ⟨ Q7341 ⟩</div></li> <li><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q19723898" title="Q19723898">Europeana Food and Drink (Q19723898)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q19723898&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q19723898&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ interest <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:_interest" title="Special:Search/Property: interest">Search</a> ⟨ Q6097 ⟩</div></li></ul></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>statements should be sourced, with varied sources applicable</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>possible</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div style="border: 1px solid var(--border-color-base, #a2a9b1); padding: 2px; width:100%;"><div class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="border:none;"><div style="font-size:small; font-weight: bold; padding-left: 10px; background-color: var(--background-color-neutral, #eaecf0); color:inherit; text-align: left;">is of interest to</div><div class="mw-collapsible-content" style="font-size:small; background-color: transparent; color:inherit; text-align: left;"> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>the item is interesting to a project, community or organization</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>any</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q7341" title="Q7341">Auschwitz (Q7341)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q21755493" title="Q21755493">European Holocaust Research Infrastructure (Q21755493)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q6097" title="Q6097">tea (Q6097)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q19723898" title="Q19723898">Europeana Food and Drink (Q19723898)</a></li></ul></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Allows a community or project to make a list of items that are of interest to them. This opens WD as a data integration/editing platform to such projects: a prerequisite is to be able to get all relevant items back in a reliable way. I participate in 2 projects (see example values) that can use that, and in the process can contribute important info to the items of interest. Checked in "Generic" properties, and IMHO there's nothing appropriate. <a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-12-17T14:09:00.000Z-interest" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 17 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose, but I would support the inverse. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-12-17T19:52:00.000Z-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-12-17T14:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 17 December 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>Agree with Andy that the inverse is more appropriate. --<a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Izno-2015-12-18T13:25:00.000Z-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-12-17T14:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:25, 18 December 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev"><bdi>Vladimir Alexiev</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno"><bdi>Izno</bdi></a>: <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done as support is for proposal of the inverse.</li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Pictogram_voting_move.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_move.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Pictogram_voting_move.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_move.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Pictogram_voting_move.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_move.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="174" data-file-height="177"/> Archived by <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Joshbaumgartner-2016-01-06T19:55:00.000Z-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-12-17T14:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 6 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Joshbaumgartner-2016-01-06T20:10:00.000Z-interest" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 6 January 2016 (UTC)</a> </div></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev"><bdi>Vladimir Alexiev</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno"><bdi>Izno</bdi></a>: This proposal is the result of a previous proposal which was not done, but the inverse of it was favored. Discussion on that proposal is included in the expandable section above. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Joshbaumgartner-2016-01-06T20:10:00.000Z-interest-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 6 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Better, but the examples seem overly precise. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-01-07T14:55:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2016-01-06T20:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 7 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li>Agreed with Andy in that the examples are overly precise. The concepts that should be the targets of those groups would and should only be the most general classess or instances possible. In the first example, "Holocaust", and in the second, "food" as well as "drink". There doesn't seem to be a way to regulate that automatically.I'm also vaguely concerned about the use of this property on Q5 items to specify e.g. "soccer". Is the query "all women interested in soccer who aren't soccer players" an interesting one, for example? --<a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Izno-2016-01-19T17:29:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2016-01-06T20:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 19 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done @<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev"><bdi>Vladimir Alexiev</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno"><bdi>Izno</bdi></a>: Consensus for inverted property in previous discussion, created with broadened examples. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-25T02:04:00.000Z-interest" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:04, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="discontinued_date" data-mw-thread-id="h-discontinued_date-2016-02-13T05:49:00.000Z">discontinued date</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2669" title="Property:P2669">discontinued date</a> (P2669) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2669" title="Property talk:P2669">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>date that the availability of a product was discontinued</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#time" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Point in time</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"discontinued" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_information_appliance" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox information appliance">en:template:Infobox information appliance</a>, "discontinued" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_OS" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox OS">en:Template:Infobox OS</a>, "discontinued" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_software" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox software">en:Template:Infobox software</a>, "discontinued" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_web_browser" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox web browser">en:Template:Infobox web browser</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>any commercial product whose availability is limited over time, such as computer hardware, proprietary computer software, individual models of motor vehicles or aircraft</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>any date (whether a year, year-month, or year-month-day)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q381047" title="Q381047">Mosaic (Q381047)</a> → 7 January 1997; <a href="/wiki/Q763994" title="Q763994">Daihatsu Sonica (Q763994)</a> → April 2009; <a href="/wiki/Q3347942" title="Q3347942">Oberheim OB-X (Q3347942)</a> → 1981; <a href="/wiki/Q7240024" title="Q7240024">preladenant (Q7240024)</a> → May 2013</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> With any kind of commercial product, in particular individual models of computer hardware, or computer software packages, there is generally both a release date (the date the product becomes commercially available) and a discontinued date (the date the product ceases to be commercially available.) After the discontinued date, instances of the item are usually still in existence, but they can no longer be commercially acquired in new condition. While I was principally looking for this property for use for computer models and computer software, I can see it being applicable to any commercial product, e.g. individual models of cars or aircraft. This property would mark the end period of which <a href="/wiki/Property:P577" title="Property:P577">Property:P577</a> (release date) is the beginning. <a href="/wiki/User:SJK" title="User:SJK">SJK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SJK" title="User talk:SJK">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-SJK-2016-02-13T05:49:00.000Z-discontinued_date" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:49, 13 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Addendum: I don't think the property is even unique to commercial products per se. An open source project, even if never a "commercial product", can be taken to be discontinued on the date at which all of its developers cease actively working on it. <a href="/wiki/User:SJK" title="User:SJK">SJK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SJK" title="User talk:SJK">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-SJK-2016-02-13T06:05:00.000Z-SJK-2016-02-13T05:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:05, 13 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>Further addendum: note that <a href="/wiki/Property:P730" title="Property:P730">service retirement</a> is similar but not quite the same. If we look at the lifecycle of most products, it could be summarised as: (1) announcement date (announced but not yet available to be ordered) (2) available for order date (date on which orders will first be accepted, but not yet shipped) (3) first customer ship date (date first unit ships to customer) (4) withdrawal from marketing date (new orders will no longer be accepted after this date) (5) last customer ship date (date last unit manufactured ships to customer) (6) end of service (post-sales service/support/maintenance ends at this date). I know for computer software, (6) is often distinct from (4)/(5). P730 might be interpreted as (6) instead of (4)/(5). It looks like P730 was created for aircraft, but I dare suggest the lifecycle is actually quite similar for both aircraft and computer hardware/software - there are many models of aircraft which you can no longer order new from the manufacturer, but the manufacturer still provides field service for, which demonstrates the distinction between (6) and (4)/(5).<a href="/wiki/User:SJK" title="User:SJK">SJK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SJK" title="User talk:SJK">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-SJK-2016-02-13T09:13:00.000Z-SJK-2016-02-13T05:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:13, 13 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. I've added examples in the proper format for four different sorts of products. For things that are not products, <a href="/wiki/Property:P582" title="Property:P582">end time (P582)</a> will continue to be more appropriate (e.g. <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q5311714" title="Q5311714">Dudenville (Q5311714)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q5311714&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q5311714&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P527&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q35054" title="Q35054">post office (Q35054)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q35054&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q35054&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P582" title="Property:P582">end time (P582)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P582&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨  1900 ⟩</div>. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2016-02-13T19:58:00.000Z-discontinued_date" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 13 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose How is it useful besides <a href="/wiki/Property:P576" title="Property:P576">dissolved, abolished or demolished date (P576)</a> ? author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2016-02-17T15:06:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2016-02-13T19:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 17 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: because these products were not dissolved or abolished, <a href="/wiki/Property:P529" title="Property:P529">runway (P529)</a> has the domain "organisation" or "building" and indicates when they ceased to exist, whereas this is intended for products (which may or may not be physical objects) that continue to exist after they stop being produced. For example production of <a href="/wiki/Q763994" title="Q763994">Daihatsu Sonica (Q763994)</a> was discontinued in April 2009 but many still exist and are on the roads being actively used. Spare/replacement parts will have been available for some time after April 2009 (and may still be, I don't know). See also @<a href="/wiki/User:SJK" title="User:SJK"><bdi>SJK</bdi></a>:'s comment about product life cycle in the motivation section. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2016-02-17T16:13:00.000Z-TomT0m-2016-02-17T15:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 17 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li>What about <a href="/wiki/Property:P793" title="Property:P793">significant event (P793)</a>=<a href="/wiki/Q5281650" title="Q5281650">discontinuation (Q5281650)</a> with qualifier <a href="/wiki/Property:P585" title="Property:P585">point in time (P585)</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-02-22T15:39:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2016-02-13T19:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q763994" title="Q763994">Daihatsu Sonica (Q763994)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q763994&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q763994&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P176" title="Property:P176">manufacturer (P176)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P176&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q27511" title="Q27511">Daihatsu (Q27511)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q27511&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q27511&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P580" title="Property:P580">start time (P580)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P580&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨  2006 ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P582" title="Property:P582">end time (P582)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P582&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨  April 2009 ⟩</div> seems to do the trick for production runs. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Joshbaumgartner-2016-03-02T00:59:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2016-02-13T19:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>To me that would suggest that <a href="/wiki/Q27511" title="Q27511">Daihatsu (Q27511)</a> ceased to be the manufacturer (e.g. the contract was awarded to someone else) rather than the manufacturing of the item was discontinued - especially as spare parts may still be manufactured after this date. Indeed for items with a long lead time (e.g. aircraft) the date manufacturing ceases could be months or longer after the product was discontinued. That also does not work for things like software. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2016-03-02T14:10:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2016-03-02T00:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:10, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support I think the meaning is clear enough and the scope is wide enough that this would be useful. I don't think overloading <a href="/wiki/Property:P576" title="Property:P576">dissolved, abolished or demolished date (P576)</a> with even more meanings is a good idea. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Nikki-2016-03-17T10:16:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2016-02-13T19:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:16, 17 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Brya-2016-03-20T06:16:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2016-02-13T19:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:16, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:SJK" title="User:SJK"><bdi>SJK</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki"><bdi>Nikki</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya"><bdi>Brya</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done. All comments and objections have been resolved. There is a clear difference between when something ceases to exist/to be true (<a href="/wiki/Property:P582" title="Property:P582">end time (P582)</a>) and when something was discontinued, but still continues to exist (this property). --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-26T23:07:00.000Z-discontinued_date" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:07, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="has_part_of_the_type" data-mw-thread-id="h-has_part_of_the_type-2016-02-18T19:56:00.000Z">has part of the type</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2670" title="Property:P2670">has part(s) of the class</a> (P2670) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2670" title="Property talk:P2670">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>This <a href="/wiki/Help:Classification" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Classification">token</a> is made of elements of that type</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>objects, events</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>classes</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1" title="Q1">Universe (Q1)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q523" title="Q523">star (Q523)</a> (whereas <s><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q523" title="Q523">star (Q523)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q523&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q523&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P527&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q525" title="Q525">Sun (Q525)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q525&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q525&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩</div></s> <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q1" title="Q1">Universe (Q1)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q1&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P527&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q525" title="Q525">Sun (Q525)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q525&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q525&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩</div>)</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Devrait-il y avoir ou existe-t-il des bots ou des gadgets qui effectueront des tâches avec cette propriété? Par exemple: vérifier les autres propriétés afin d'être cohérent, collecter des données, automatiser un lien externe, etc.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> There is an ambiguity about part of this property is aimed to partially solve (Ajoutez ici vos motivations pour la création de cette propriété) author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2016-02-18T19:56:00.000Z-has_part_of_the_type" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 18 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd>"(whereas <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q523" title="Q523">star (Q523)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q523&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q523&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P527&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q525" title="Q525">Sun (Q525)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q525&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q525&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩</div>)" is an incorrect statement. <a href="/wiki/Q1" title="Q1">Universe (Q1)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q523" title="Q523">star (Q523)</a> is a statement which can be made with "<a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a>". What is the concern here? --<a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Izno-2016-02-18T21:14:00.000Z-has_part_of_the_type" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 18 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>has part is tricky. We don't know for sure if our subject item is an individual star, in which case we could enumerate the star, or a class of object (the star class represents all the stars). There is a difference here : we should have to qualify the statements to say that the universe has stars (in general) with the number of stars it actually has, whereas there is only one sun and we're sure of it. I often see the two mixed up and I don't really like that. I'd like to have a non ambiguous property that we for sure use to link individual to their kind of classes, that we know can correctly be qualified by a number, whereas the other can't by design and links instances to instances. I think this is a potential improvement for quality management. Overall, per <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Refining_%22part_of%22" title="Wikidata:Requests for comment/Refining "part of"">Refining "part of"</a> there is conceptually work to be done with this property. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2016-02-18T21:34:00.000Z-Izno-2016-02-18T21:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 18 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support I agree "has part" is ambiguous as to whether its target is an instance (token) or a class (type). One suggestion I have, is maybe we should label this "has part of the class" instead of "has part of the type". The current (English) wikidata terminology seems to be "class" not "type", since we have an <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">"subclass of"</a> property not "subtype of", so we should try to stay consistent with that terminology in this property also. <a href="/wiki/User:SJK" title="User:SJK">SJK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SJK" title="User talk:SJK">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-SJK-2016-03-26T09:32:00.000Z-Izno-2016-02-18T21:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:32, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno"><bdi>Izno</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:SJK" title="User:SJK"><bdi>SJK</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done. I used the terms "class" and "item" as used on Wikidata. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-27T11:42:00.000Z-has_part_of_the_type" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Google_Knowledge_Graph_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-Google_Knowledge_Graph_identifier-2016-02-22T15:33:00.000Z">Google Knowledge Graph identifier</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2671" title="Property:P2671">Google Knowledge Graph ID</a> (P2671) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2671" title="Property talk:P2671">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for Google Knowledge Graph API</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>generic</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>\/g\/[0-9a-zA-Z]+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q20800404" title="Q20800404">Alphabet Inc. (Q20800404)</a> → /g/11bwcf511s</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://developers.google.com/knowledge-graph/">Google Knowledge Graph API</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>https://kgsearch.googleapis.com/v1/entities:search?ids=$1&key=<API-KEY></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Identity assurance for Wikidata items created since Freebase became read-only and allows for cross referencing between Wikidata and the new Google Knowledge Graph API – <bdi lang="en">The preceding <a href="/wiki/Q4663253" title="Q4663253">unsigned</a> comment was added by <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User:Domswaine" title="User:Domswaine">Domswaine</a></bdi> (<bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Domswaine" title="User talk:Domswaine">talk</a></bdi> • <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Domswaine" title="Special:Contributions/Domswaine">contribs</a></bdi>).</bdi> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Can one access the data without owning a API-KEY? --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-02-22T15:33:00.000Z-Google_Knowledge_Graph_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Not as far as I am aware, however an API key can be obtained for free by visiting <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://console.developers.google.com/">https://console.developers.google.com/</a> . There is a basic allowance of 100,000 queries/day, which can be increased upon request. <a href="/wiki/User:Domswaine" title="User:Domswaine">User:Domswaine</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Domswaine-2016-02-22T22:06:00.000Z-Pasleim-2016-02-22T15:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>In 2015 Google started requiring all API requests to be signed with a key tied to a Google Account. I assume its "to stop rogue apps" and force legal agreements. This is also why a bunch of <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6098135">YouTube players stopped working after April 2015</a> (e.g. Apple TV 2nd gen). But, yes it would be nice to link to an open viewer. <a href="/wiki/User:Dispenser" title="User:Dispenser">Dispenser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dispenser" title="User talk:Dispenser">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Dispenser-2016-02-22T22:40:00.000Z-Pasleim-2016-02-22T15:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:40, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Domswaine" title="User:Domswaine"><bdi>Domswaine</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Dispenser" title="User:Dispenser"><bdi>Dispenser</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done, no objections. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-27T11:49:00.000Z-Google_Knowledge_Graph_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:49, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau"><bdi>Srittau</bdi></a>: I am uninvolved, have no plans for importing for this property, and was only replying to the API key question. <a href="/wiki/User:Dispenser" title="User:Dispenser">Dispenser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dispenser" title="User talk:Dispenser">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Dispenser-2016-03-28T20:51:00.000Z-Srittau-2016-03-27T11:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dispenser" title="User:Dispenser"><bdi>Dispenser</bdi></a>: I was not trying to imply that. Just informing people who might be interested in this property. If you have no further interest, that is perfectly fine. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-28T21:11:00.000Z-Dispenser-2016-03-28T20:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="is_a_period_in_the_history_of" data-mw-thread-id="h-is_a_period_in_the_history_of-2016-02-25T00:17:00.000Z">is a period in the history of</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>this item is about a temporary form of this value</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q15893266" title="Q15893266">former entity (Q15893266)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>parent item about the entire history of the subject</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q233263" title="Q233263">Second Republic of South Korea (Q233263)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q884" title="Q884">South Korea (Q884)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q2594990" title="Q2594990">Dominion of New Zealand (Q2594990)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q664" title="Q664">New Zealand (Q664)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> I'd like a property to link series of historic versions of an entity with the parent item about the entity. I mostly want it for countries, but it could probably be used for other kinds of entities. For example, we could have series of items about former countries that all replaced each other: <ol><li>indigenous Foobar</li> <li>Colony of Foobar</li> <li>self-governing dependency of Foobar</li> <li>Independent Republic of Foobar</li></ol> These four items should all link to each other using <a href="/wiki/Property:P1366" title="Property:P1366">replaced by (P1366)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1365" title="Property:P1365">replaces (P1365)</a>, and they should all contain "is a period in the history of → Foobar". --<a href="/wiki/User:Arctic.gnome" title="User:Arctic.gnome">Arctic.gnome</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arctic.gnome" title="User talk:Arctic.gnome">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Arctic.gnome-2016-02-25T00:17:00.000Z-is_a_period_in_the_history_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 25 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Question will all instances need to be changed if the present latest item is replaced by something else (e.g. unifications and secessions)? I can see the benefit in something like this (archaeological cultures and eras was my first thought, e.g. <a href="/wiki/Q16000127" title="Q16000127">Iron Age Europe (Q16000127)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q46" title="Q46">Europe (Q46)</a>) but I'm uncertain if this is the best way to do it. Would <a href="/wiki/Property:P1269" title="Property:P1269">facet of (P1269)</a> (or something similar) work for example? <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2016-02-25T03:15:00.000Z-Arctic.gnome-2016-02-25T00:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:15, 25 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment in form of <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Question Is not <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q233263" title="Q233263">Second Republic of South Korea (Q233263)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q233263&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q233263&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P361" title="Property:P361">part of (P361)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P361&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ history of Q884 ⟩</div> and <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ history of Q884 ⟩ history of <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:history_of" title="Special:Search/Property:history of">Search</a> ⟨ Q884 ⟩</div> more convenient ? I don't like very long properties name which can be broken into smaller properties. Or the opposite <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q884" title="Q884">South Korea (Q884)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q884&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q884&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P2184" title="Property:P2184">history of topic (P2184)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P2184&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ history of <a href="/wiki/Q884" title="Q884">South Korea (Q884)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q884&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q884&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩</div> since we seem to only have the inverse property. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2016-03-08T15:55:00.000Z-Arctic.gnome-2016-02-25T00:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 8 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Arctic.gnome" title="User:Arctic.gnome"><bdi>Arctic.gnome</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done for now. I like the idea in general, but there are unanswered concerns and <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">User:TomT0m</a> showed a way to link those items together. Would need a larger discussion to address these concerns. (Maybe on the Project chat, since these pages are not frequented very well.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-27T11:57:00.000Z-is_a_period_in_the_history_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:57, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="SOATO_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-SOATO_ID-2015-12-23T19:18:00.000Z">SOATO ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2672" title="Property:P2672">SOATO ID</a> (P2672) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2672" title="Property talk:P2672">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier for the Belarusian Code System for Administrative-territory Division Objects and Settlements</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q6538410" title="Q6538410">Code System for Administrative-territory Division Objects and Settlements</a> (Q6538410)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q618123" title="Q618123">geographical feature (Q618123)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>numbers</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2500789" title="Q2500789">Rakaŭ (Q2500789)</a> → 6220857156</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://ostisbelarus.sourceforge.net/">http://ostisbelarus.sourceforge.net/</a> ...and others</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> --<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%96%D1%87_%D0%A3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B7%D1%96%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%9E" title="User:Чаховіч Уладзіслаў">Чаховіч Уладзіслаў</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%96%D1%87_%D0%A3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B7%D1%96%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%9E" title="User talk:Чаховіч Уладзіслаў">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Чаховіч_Уладзіслаў-2015-12-23T19:18:00.000Z-SOATO_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:18, 23 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support--<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%96%D1%87_%D0%A3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B7%D1%96%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%9E" title="User:Чаховіч Уладзіслаў">Чаховіч Уладзіслаў</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%96%D1%87_%D0%A3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B7%D1%96%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%9E" title="User talk:Чаховіч Уладзіслаў">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Чаховіч_Уладзіслаў-2016-01-07T21:23:00.000Z-Чаховіч_Уладзіслаў-2015-12-23T19:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:23, 7 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support--<a href="/wiki/User:Voll" title="User:Voll">Voll</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Voll" title="User talk:Voll">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Voll-2016-03-09T21:24:00.000Z-Чаховіч_Уладзіслаў-2015-12-23T19:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 9 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li>How does this relate to <a href="/wiki/Property:P2490" title="Property:P2490">page at OSTIS Belarus Wiki (P2490)</a>? (Note the example there is the same as that given here; and the formatter URL there is the same site as the "source" site given here). <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-09T21:36:00.000Z-Чаховіч_Уладзіслаў-2015-12-23T19:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 9 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Yes, they use SOATO identifier, but in form "NAME_SOATO", so we can't use this property value for comparison with SOATO identifier in other sources. Unfortunately, it is impossible to generate <a href="/wiki/Property:P2490" title="Property:P2490">page at OSTIS Belarus Wiki (P2490)</a> from SOATO identifier too. So <a href="/wiki/Property:P2490" title="Property:P2490">page at OSTIS Belarus Wiki (P2490)</a> is the specific website page name only. --<a href="/wiki/User:Voll" title="User:Voll">Voll</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Voll" title="User talk:Voll">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Voll-2016-03-10T11:01:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-09T21:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:01, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%96%D1%87_%D0%A3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B7%D1%96%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%9E" title="User:Чаховіч Уладзіслаў"><bdi>Чаховіч Уладзіслаў</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Voll" title="User:Voll"><bdi>Voll</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done with type "external identificator", no objections. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-27T12:19:00.000Z-SOATO_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="OpenStreetMap_Nominatim_Place_Identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-OpenStreetMap_Nominatim_Place_Identifier-2016-01-30T16:12:00.000Z">OpenStreetMap Nominatim Place Identifier</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifies places within Nominatim, OSM's reverse geocoding lookup service</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>places</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q169101" title="Q169101">10 Downing Street (Q169101)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=144831814">144831814</a></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>\d+</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/">http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>There is the potential to reverse geocode Wikidata items that have geo information</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> OSM is the most complete open source of places, being able to cross reference to other place systems would be extremely valuable. <a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext">Thinkcontext</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thinkcontext" title="User talk:Thinkcontext">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thinkcontext-2016-01-30T16:12:00.000Z-OpenStreetMap_Nominatim_Place_Identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 30 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Question According to <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:OpenStreetMap" title="Wikidata:OpenStreetMap">Wikidata:OpenStreetMap</a> OSM identifiers are unstable. May this also apply for the Nominatim Place Identifier? --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-22T15:19:00.000Z-Thinkcontext-2016-01-30T16:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:19, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext"><bdi>Thinkcontext</bdi></a>: Did you see this? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-25T13:49:00.000Z-Pasleim-2016-03-22T15:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:49, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext"><bdi>Thinkcontext</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done, according to <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/21542/nominatim-place-id">[8]</a>, these IDs don't seem particularly stable. This is a principle problem with OSM, since it is very easy (and sometimes necessary) to delete and recreate an object, so there is no stable way to link to them. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-27T12:24:00.000Z-OpenStreetMap_Nominatim_Place_Identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:24, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>True. The solution is to add the Wikidata ID to the object (node, way or relation) in OSM. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-27T17:41:00.000Z-Srittau-2016-03-27T12:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="next_crossing" data-mw-thread-id="h-next_crossing-2015-03-14T17:58:00.000Z">next crossing</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2673" title="Property:P2673">next crossing upstream</a> (P2673) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2673" title="Property talk:P2673">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Next crossing of a river with a qulaifier for "upstream" or "downstream". (Alternatively, have separate properties for each)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>Succession boxes on en.Wikipedia, for example on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_Bridge" class="extiw" title="en:Westminster Bridge">en:Westminster Bridge</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Bridges, aqueducts, railways, roads, pipelines, powerlines, cable car lines</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q456960" title="Q456960">Westminster Bridge (Q456960)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q1130666" title="Q1130666">Lambeth Bridge (Q1130666)</a> (upstream); <a href="/wiki/Q961290" title="Q961290">Jubilee line (Q961290)</a> (downstream)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2674" title="Property:P2674">next crossing downstream</a> (P2674) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2674" title="Property talk:P2674">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Motivation: Proposed by: <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-03-14T17:58:00.000Z-next_crossing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 14 March 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment It's needed specify crossing type to eliminate the ambiguity (next automobile bridge, next railway bridge, next powerline and so forth). -- <a href="/wiki/User:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User:Sergey kudryavtsev">Sergey kudryavtsev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-03-25T08:05:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-03-14T17:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:05, 25 March 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment I think it would be better to have a "next crossing [up|down]stream" property for the next crossing of any type, and a "next crossing of type [up|downstream]" with a mandatory qualifier of "bridge", "pedestrian tunnel", etc. to handle the specific types. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2015-04-18T09:25:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-03-14T17:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:25, 18 April 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><s><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support</s> --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-04-30T12:11:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-03-14T17:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 30 April 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>--- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-10-19T10:45:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-04-30T12:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:45, 19 October 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment What we really need is a good way to do ordered sets in Wikidata. That way each crossing could be a part of the set of crossings, and the order could be defined as part of that set. Sets can be ordered numerically, temporally, spatially, administratively, etc. and an item could be part of any number of sets. Attaching something like 'next crossing' directly to the bridge item or 'next higher league' to a sport league assumes a lots of particular perspective in how one is looking at the crossing and the set. That means for every different kind of ordered set, it would have to have its own set of properties, with their own set of constraints, etc. Having a general structure set up for ordered sets would, on the other hand, allow us to use the same structure and properties whether we are defining the order of crossings down a river, intersections along a road, leagues or organizations within a hierarchy, etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-11-17T22:15:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-03-14T17:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 17 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner"><bdi>Joshbaumgartner</bdi></a>: That's a very good thought. Is there anywhere this sort of handling is proposed/being discussed? <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2016-03-07T13:53:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-11-17T22:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>: Unfortunately, I have not seen such discussion anywhere else, not to say it doesn't exist. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Joshbaumgartner-2016-03-07T16:56:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2016-03-07T13:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I haven't found any anywhere either, so I have started a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Ordered_sets" title="Wikidata:Project chat">Wikidata:Project chat#Ordered sets</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2016-03-10T01:15:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2016-03-07T16:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:15, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done as two properties. If we get the ability to do ordered sets in Wikidata at some point, we need to refine. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-27T13:21:00.000Z-next_crossing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a> The discussion of these proposals is sorted to place from unsorted. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-11-06T21:33:00.000Z-next_crossing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 6 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="proportion_of_population" data-mw-thread-id="h-proportion_of_population-2015-08-22T17:27:00.000Z">proportion of population</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>number between 0.00 and 1.00 (displayed as %) representing the proportion of a population; used with qualifier <a href="/wiki/Property:P21" title="Property:P21">sex or gender (P21)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Property:P140" title="Property:P140">religion or worldview (P140)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Property:P172" title="Property:P172">ethnic group (P172)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Property:P518" title="Property:P518">applies to part, aspect, or form (P518)</a> to indicate which population this applies to</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q15911027" title="Q15911027">demographic balance</a> (Q15911027)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#quantity" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Quantity</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>0 < n <100</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1471150" title="Q1471150">Fryšták (Q1471150)</a> → 51.4477 - units % (<a href="/wiki/Property:P21" title="Property:P21">sex or gender (P21)</a>:<a href="/wiki/Q6581072" title="Q6581072">female (Q6581072)</a>); (point in time:2015)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Alternative to the properties above</dt></dl> I think that the female ratio property is too narrow and we a need a more general property which can be used for other things besides gender and which can be used for other genders besides male and female. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Filceolaire-2015-08-22T17:27:00.000Z-proportion_of_population" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 22 August 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jura&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jura (page does not exist)"><bdi>Jura</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Josh_Baumgartner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Josh Baumgartner (page does not exist)"><bdi>Josh Baumgartner</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Kopiersperre" title="User:Kopiersperre"><bdi>Kopiersperre</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Antrocent" title="User:Antrocent"><bdi>Antrocent</bdi></a>: <dl><dd>How would you use it ? As I understand it, the property would already be used as a qualifier, and you cannot set a qualifier to a qualifier... -<a href="/wiki/User:Ash_Crow" title="User:Ash Crow">Ash Crow</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ash_Crow" title="User talk:Ash Crow">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Ash_Crow-2015-08-23T22:07:00.000Z-proportion_of_population" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:07, 23 August 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Ash_Crow" title="User:Ash Crow">Ash Crow</a>: I wouldn't use it as a qualifier. I would use it as a claim about an organization or census area and add a qualifier to say which proportion we were talking about - see the example. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T21:06:00.000Z-Ash_Crow-2015-08-23T22:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jura&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jura (page does not exist)"><bdi>Jura</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Josh_Baumgartner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Josh Baumgartner (page does not exist)"><bdi>Josh Baumgartner</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Kopiersperre" title="User:Kopiersperre"><bdi>Kopiersperre</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Antrocent" title="User:Antrocent"><bdi>Antrocent</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Ash_Crow" title="User:Ash Crow"><bdi>Ash Crow</bdi></a>: I have changed this so the data type is number with units. Since any item can be used as a unit this would mean we don't need a qualifier; we can just say <a href="/wiki/Q1471150" title="Q1471150">Fryšták (Q1471150)</a> → 0.514477 - units <a href="/wiki/Q6581072" title="Q6581072">female (Q6581072)</a>; (point in time:2015). OK? <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-23T03:40:00.000Z-proportion_of_population" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:40, 23 September 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I think a qualifier of some sort was the right approach and I think this is the wrong way to use unit support.</dd> <dd>There is no way for a machine to know that the number here does not mean "0.514477 measured in females" (just over half of one female person) but should instead be interpreted as "51.4477% are female". Doing it this way creates multiple ways to interpret the data type which I don't think is a good idea. Percentages/ratios do not have units (which is another reason it seems like the wrong approach), but I think the best way we have for entering percentages is to enter a number between 0 and 100 and use "percent" as the unit, so that you can tell from the unit that the number does not represent a concrete number but rather a percentage. That would also mean that it displays much better for humans, because (as far as I'm aware) we don't have a way to have numbers between 0 and 1 displayed as a percentage. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Nikki-2015-09-23T09:36:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-23T03:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:36, 23 September 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment not really convinced (see discussion on Project chat), but I want to encourage you to experiment: <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-09-26T06:45:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-23T03:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:45, 26 September 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>changed as <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a>'s comment. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Filceolaire-2015-11-24T08:20:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-23T03:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:20, 24 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose Use <a href="/wiki/Property:P1107" title="Property:P1107">proportion (P1107)</a> with qualifier(s). <a href="/wiki/User:Swpb" title="User:Swpb">Swpb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swpb" title="User talk:Swpb">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Swpb-2016-01-14T15:26:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-23T03:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:26, 14 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done, no concensus and a very haphazard way to properties not intended as qualifiers as such. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-27T13:28:00.000Z-proportion_of_population" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="geography" data-mw-thread-id="h-geography-2016-03-12T02:10:00.000Z">geography</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2633" title="Property:P2633">geography of topic</a> (P2633) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2633" title="Property talk:P2633">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Stores the item that deals with the geography of the subject</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1071" title="Q1071">geography</a> (Q1071)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Mostly places but not only.</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q1027" title="Q1027">Mauritius (Q1027)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q3123297" title="Q3123297">geography of Mauritius (Q3123297)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q49389" title="Q49389">tourism (Q49389)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q1350203" title="Q1350203">tourism geography (Q1350203)</a></li></ul></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> We already have <a href="/wiki/Property:P2184" title="Property:P2184">history of topic (P2184)</a> to connect such thing as <a href="/wiki/Q733" title="Q733">Paraguay (Q733)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q1121772" title="Q1121772">history of Paraguay (Q1121772)</a>. So I think we may also have the equivalent for <a href="/wiki/Q1071" title="Q1071">geography (Q1071)</a>. Of course, the use of the latter may be more limited. It will be found mostly on items about places important enough to have their own geographical subpage. But it could also be used on items such as <a href="/wiki/Q7590" title="Q7590">transport (Q7590)</a>, to connect them to items like <a href="/wiki/Q795612" title="Q795612">transport geography (Q795612)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-12T02:10:00.000Z-geography" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:10, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-19T21:37:00.000Z-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-12T02:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. Seems a useful link to record. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2016-03-19T21:48:00.000Z-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-12T02:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done @<a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro"><bdi>Thierry Caro</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>: --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Micru-2016-03-20T21:17:00.000Z-geography" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Indonesian_Administrative_Division_(district)_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Indonesian_Administrative_Division_(district)_ID-2016-03-21T06:01:00.000Z">Indonesian Administrative Division (district) ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Withdrawn</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Unique identification code for a district of the Republic of Indonesia</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>settlements in Indonesia</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>three numbers separated by decimal point</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2886206" title="Q2886206">Barus (Q2886206)</a> → 12.01.01</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.kemendagri.go.id/pages/data-wilayah">http://www.kemendagri.go.id/pages/data-wilayah</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Volunteers from Wikipedia Indonesia plan to add all list of identifiers, creating new item when necessary. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Beeyan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Beeyan (page does not exist)">Beeyan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beeyan" title="User talk:Beeyan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Beeyan-2016-03-21T06:01:00.000Z-Indonesian_Administrative_Division_(district)_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:01, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - also copy-edited. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T14:23:00.000Z-Beeyan-2016-03-21T06:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:23, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support but broaden the scope to all level of administration. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-22T21:35:00.000Z-Beeyan-2016-03-21T06:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support As the code structure is the same for the 3 administration levels one property is enough. The property should be applied to all administration levels. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Snipre-2016-03-22T22:06:00.000Z-Beeyan-2016-03-21T06:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> Dear, @<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>:, @<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>:, and @<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>: actually there is <a href="/wiki/Property:P2588" title="Property:P2588">one property</a> that use the same data with this one, but the value is different, 00.00.00.000, 00.00.00, 00.00, and 00. Should we combine all of this into one property or separate? Thanks --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Beeyan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Beeyan (page does not exist)">Beeyan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beeyan" title="User talk:Beeyan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Beeyan-2016-03-23T04:42:00.000Z-Indonesian_Administrative_Division_(district)_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:42, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I recommend to combine all to one property. It would be the same as for <a href="/wiki/Property:P442" title="Property:P442">China administrative division code (P442)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Property:P1067" title="Property:P1067">Thailand central administrative unit code (P1067)</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-23T09:35:00.000Z-Beeyan-2016-03-23T04:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:35, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Thank you @<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>:, can you please reject my request? I'll add more descriptions in P2588 --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Beeyan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Beeyan (page does not exist)">Beeyan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beeyan" title="User talk:Beeyan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Beeyan-2016-03-24T05:53:00.000Z-Pasleim-2016-03-23T09:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:53, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>I've edited the regular expression in <a href="/wiki/Property:P2588" title="Property:P2588">Property:P2588</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Beeyan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Beeyan (page does not exist)">Beeyan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beeyan" title="User talk:Beeyan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Beeyan-2016-03-24T06:17:00.000Z-Pasleim-2016-03-23T09:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:17, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Marked as withdrawn. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-24T14:26:00.000Z-Beeyan-2016-03-24T06:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Indonesian_Administrative_Division_(regency)_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Indonesian_Administrative_Division_(regency)_ID-2016-03-21T06:04:00.000Z">Indonesian Administrative Division (regency) ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Withdrawn</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Unique identification code for a regency of the Republic of Indonesia</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>settlements in Indonesia</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>two numbers separated by decimal point</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5800" title="Q5800">Central Tapanuli (Q5800)</a> → 12.01</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.kemendagri.go.id/pages/data-wilayah">http://www.kemendagri.go.id/pages/data-wilayah</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Volunteers from Wikipedia Indonesia plan to add all list of identifiers, creating new item when necessary. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Beeyan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Beeyan (page does not exist)">Beeyan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beeyan" title="User talk:Beeyan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Beeyan-2016-03-21T06:04:00.000Z-Indonesian_Administrative_Division_(regency)_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:04, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - also copy-edited. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T14:24:00.000Z-Beeyan-2016-03-21T06:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:24, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose use the above proposed property. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-22T21:37:00.000Z-Beeyan-2016-03-21T06:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose See above <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Snipre-2016-03-22T22:04:00.000Z-Beeyan-2016-03-21T06:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> Marked as "withdrawn" per the above. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-24T14:27:00.000Z-Indonesian_Administrative_Division_(regency)_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Indonesian_Administrative_Division_(province)_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Indonesian_Administrative_Division_(province)_ID-2016-03-21T06:07:00.000Z">Indonesian Administrative Division (province) ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Withdrawn</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Unique identification code for a province of the Republic of Indonesia</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>settlements in Indonesia</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>two-digit number</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2140" title="Q2140">North Sumatra (Q2140)</a> → 12</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.kemendagri.go.id/pages/data-wilayah">http://www.kemendagri.go.id/pages/data-wilayah</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Volunteers from Wikipedia Indonesia plan to add all list of identifiers, creating new item when necessary. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Beeyan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Beeyan (page does not exist)">Beeyan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beeyan" title="User talk:Beeyan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Beeyan-2016-03-21T06:07:00.000Z-Indonesian_Administrative_Division_(province)_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:07, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - also copy-edited. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T14:25:00.000Z-Beeyan-2016-03-21T06:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose use the above proposed property. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-22T21:38:00.000Z-Beeyan-2016-03-21T06:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose See above <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Snipre-2016-03-22T22:03:00.000Z-Beeyan-2016-03-21T06:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> Marked as "withdrawn" per the above. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-24T14:28:00.000Z-Indonesian_Administrative_Division_(province)_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="runner-up" data-mw-thread-id="h-runner-up-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z">runner-up</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>person or team that received 2nd place in an event</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q3275569" title="Q3275569">runner-up</a> (Q3275569)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"runner" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_tennis_tournament_event" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox tennis tournament event">en:template:Infobox tennis tournament event</a>, "second" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_international_football_competition" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox international football competition">en:Template:Infobox international football competition</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>people/teams</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q20084166" title="Q20084166">2015 Wimbledon Championships – women's singles (Q20084166)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q34276" title="Q34276">Garbiñe Muguruza (Q34276)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q79859" title="Q79859">2014 FIFA World Cup (Q79859)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q79800" title="Q79800">Argentina men's national association football team (Q79800)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div style="border: 1px solid var(--border-color-base, #a2a9b1); padding: 2px; width:100%;"><div class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="border:none;"><div style="font-size:small; font-weight: bold; padding-left: 10px; background-color: var(--background-color-neutral, #eaecf0); color:inherit; text-align: left;">Second (original proposal as archived)</div><div class="mw-collapsible-content" style="font-size:small; background-color: transparent; color:inherit; text-align: left;"> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>second</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>This property would be used to store the name of the second runner (or silver medalist) and then generate tables directly in the body of the Wikipedia article concerned.</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2309784" title="Q2309784">sport cyclist (Q2309784)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q2309784&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q2309784&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q552724" title="Q552724">Arnaud Démare (Q552724)</a> for exemple</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q513691" title="Q513691">Four Days of Dunkirk (Q513691)</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q18589873" title="Q18589873">2015 Four Days of Dunkirk (Q18589873)</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P1346" title="Property:P1346">winner (P1346)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q381409" title="Q381409">Ignatas Konovalovas (Q381409)</a> second => <a href="/wiki/Q994991" title="Q994991">Bryan Coquard (Q994991)</a> third => <a href="/wiki/Q4734082" title="Q4734082">Alo Jakin (Q4734082)</a> </td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatre_jours_de_Dunkerque#Palmarès" class="extiw" title="fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque">fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque#Palmarès</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>yes</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Je prévois dans le <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portail:Cyclisme" class="extiw" title="fr:Portail:Cyclisme">cyclisme</a> d'utiliser massivement les données de Wikidata pour centraliser ici le maximum de données possibles, l'objectif étant d'une part de laisser du temps aux contributeurs des petites versions linguistiques, de leur laisser la possibilité de générer des articles très rapidement, de sorte à ce qu'il ne leur reste plus qu'à rédiger, et d'autre part de centraliser au maximum la maintenance et la mise à jour. Ce chantier va être étalé tout au long de l'année 2015. Sur les articles concernant les courses cyclistes, nous associons à chaque édition le vainqueur, le deuxième et le troisième, c'est-à-dire les coureurs qui montent sur le podium. Il existe actuellement une propriété <a href="/wiki/Property:P1346" title="Property:P1346">winner (P1346)</a>, déjà utilisée dans <a href="/wiki/Q513691" title="Q513691">Four Days of Dunkirk (Q513691)</a> et <a href="/wiki/Q3365097" title="Q3365097">Paris-Arras Tour (Q3365097)</a>, mais il nous manque une propriété pour indiquer le deuxième et une autre pour le troisième. L'objectif étant à terme de générer les tableaux présents dans chaque article de course cycliste, comme <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatre_jours_de_Dunkerque#Palmarès" class="extiw" title="fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque">fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque#Palmarès</a>, depuis Wikidata. Le coureur arrivé deuxième et celui arrivé troisième sont également demandés dans les infobox d'étapes de courses cyclistes, telles que la <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/20e_%C3%A9tape_du_Tour_de_France_2014" class="extiw" title="fr:20e étape du Tour de France 2014">20e étape du Tour de France 2014</a>. Cette demande pourrait permettre de faciliter le travail <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Comp%C3%A9tition_cycliste_par_pays" class="extiw" title="fr:Catégorie:Compétition cycliste par pays">sur un grand nombre d'articles</a> et dans de nombreuses langues. [Google Translate] I plan in the <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portail:Cyclisme" class="extiw" title="fr:Portail:Cyclisme">cycling</a> massively used to centralize data Wikidata here the maximum possible data, with the aim firstly to allow time to contributors small versions language, they leave open the possibility of generating products rapidly, so that it does not just have to write them, and also centralize maximum maintenance and update. This project will be spread throughout the year 2015. Of the articles about cycling races, we associate with each edition the winner, the second and the third, that is to say the riders on the podium. There is currently a <a href="/wiki/Property:P1346" title="Property:P1346">winner (P1346)</a> property already used in <a href="/wiki/Q513691" title="Q513691">Four Days of Dunkirk (Q513691)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q3365097" title="Q3365097">Paris-Arras Tour (Q3365097)</a>, but we lack a property to indicate the second and one for third. The objective is ultimately to generate the tables present in all cycling races article, like <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatre_jours_de_Dunkerque#Palmarès" class="extiw" title="fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque">fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque#Palmarès</a>, since Wikidata. The second runner arrived and the third are also requested in the infobox stages of cycling races, such as <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/20e_%C3%A9tape_du_Tour_de_France_2014" class="extiw" title="fr:20e étape du Tour de France 2014">20e étape du Tour de France 2014</a>. This application could help facilitate the work <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Comp%C3%A9tition_cycliste_par_pays" class="extiw" title="fr:Catégorie:Compétition cycliste par pays">on a large number of articles</a> and in many languages. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z-runner-up" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 15 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. I think you should record this with <a href="/wiki/Property:P1352" title="Property:P1352">ranking (P1352)</a> as well, as a qualifier to each cyclist, so the position of every cyclist in the race can be recorded and included in the results table. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Filceolaire-2015-05-17T23:49:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 17 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><s><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. Filceolaire : utiliser la propriété <a href="/wiki/Property:P1352" title="Property:P1352">ranking (P1352)</a> est déjà prévu en qualificatif lorsque la propriété classement général demandée ci-dessus aura été créée. C'est même un élément clé de la réalisation des classements sur Wikidata. Dans cette demande que je mets en œuvre actuellement, les propriétés deuxième et troisième ont pour vocation d'être utilisées dans les infoboxes et dans le tableau du <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatre_jours_de_Dunkerque#Palmarès" class="extiw" title="fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque">palmarès</a>. Plus globalement ces deux propriétés serviront à indiquer les podiums dans toutes les compétitions. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-18T11:25:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:25, 18 May 2015 (UTC)</a></s></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:A.BourgeoisP" title="User:A.BourgeoisP">A.BourgeoisP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A.BourgeoisP" title="User talk:A.BourgeoisP">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose use <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q18589873" title="Q18589873">2015 Four Days of Dunkirk (Q18589873)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q18589873&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q18589873&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P710" title="Property:P710">participant (P710)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P710&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q994991" title="Q994991">Bryan Coquard (Q994991)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q994991&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q994991&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1352" title="Property:P1352">ranking (P1352)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1352&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨  2 ⟩</div> --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2015-05-20T21:26:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 20 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>: You don't read the use I want : <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatre_jours_de_Dunkerque#Palmarès" class="extiw" title="fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque">fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque#Palmarès</a> : I need these properties as qualifiers to list the palmarès. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-21T11:20:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-05-20T21:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:20, 21 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>You can create the palmarès with <a href="/wiki/Property:P710" title="Property:P710">participant (P710)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1352" title="Property:P1352">ranking (P1352)</a>. No need to store the information two times. / Tu peux créer le palmarès avec <a href="/wiki/Property:P710" title="Property:P710">participant (P710)</a> et <a href="/wiki/Property:P1352" title="Property:P1352">ranking (P1352)</a>. Pas nécessaire de enregistrer les informations deux fois. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2015-05-21T11:58:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-21T11:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:58, 21 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>: Are you sure that <a href="/wiki/Q513691" title="Q513691">Four Days of Dunkirk (Q513691)</a> will permit to find the infos on <a href="/wiki/Q18589873" title="Q18589873">2015 Four Days of Dunkirk (Q18589873)</a> and all of the previous editions ? <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-21T12:29:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-05-21T11:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Yes. Not now, but in a couple of weeks, see <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Arbitrary_access" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:Arbitrary access">Wikidata:Arbitrary access</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2015-05-21T13:17:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-21T12:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:17, 21 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Thank you, I am sure now I take a good direction</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose per discussion above. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Filceolaire-2015-05-23T23:26:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:26, 23 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose, per above. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Yair_rand-2015-05-27T21:40:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 27 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support See above <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Thib_Phil&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Thib Phil (page does not exist)">Thib Phil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thib_Phil" title="User talk:Thib Phil">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thib_Phil-2015-06-05T06:22:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:22, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:ComputerHotline" title="User:ComputerHotline">ComputerHotline</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ComputerHotline" title="User talk:ComputerHotline">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ComputerHotline-2015-06-05T14:03:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose : finalement, je n'ai pas besoin de cette propriété dans le <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Infobox/Descriptif_course_cycliste" class="extiw" title="fr:Module:Infobox/Descriptif course cycliste">Module:Infobox/Descriptif course cycliste</a>, puisqu'il sera possible d'extraire de la propriété à venir classement général le premier, le deuxième et le troisième. Cette requête que j'ai initié peut donc être clôturée, et la propriété ne doit pas être créée. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-06-06T08:10:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:10, 6 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done Opposed (=withdrawn?) by proponent. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-27T17:53:00.000Z-runner-up" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a> </div></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> We have <a href="/wiki/Property:P1346" title="Property:P1346">winner (P1346)</a>, so why not runner-up? --<a href="/wiki/User:AmaryllisGardener" title="User:AmaryllisGardener">AmaryllisGardener</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmaryllisGardener" title="User talk:AmaryllisGardener">talk</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-AmaryllisGardener-2015-11-10T16:25:00.000Z-runner-up" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 10 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> I asked this property few month ago, it was refused. I must now use qualifiers. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-10T16:33:00.000Z-runner-up" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 10 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Stryn" title="User:Stryn">Stryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stryn" title="User talk:Stryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Stryn-2015-11-10T17:29:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-10T16:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 10 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support usefull. <a href="/wiki/User:A.BourgeoisP" title="User:A.BourgeoisP">A.BourgeoisP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A.BourgeoisP" title="User talk:A.BourgeoisP">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-A.BourgeoisP-2015-11-10T21:54:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-10T16:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 10 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose per discussion on <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#second" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/32">Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/32#second</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2015-11-10T23:15:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-10T16:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Yair_rand-2015-11-11T00:01:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-10T16:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 11 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. I've changed my mind since we discussed this last. First second and third place are special, they get the medals etc. and I think we should have special properties for these, even if the info is duplicated using <a href="/wiki/Property:P1352" title="Property:P1352">ranking (P1352)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Filceolaire-2015-11-11T01:56:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-10T16:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 11 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose First is very special, second is also important, but not as much, third is less so, fourth even less, tenth might still mean something for some events but not for others. It all depends on the event, who is reporting it, etc. We can arbitrarily draw a line wherever we want, but the existing use of <a href="/wiki/Property:P1352" title="Property:P1352">ranking (P1352)</a> does the job, so I see no reason to add this property. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-11-18T23:45:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-10T16:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:45, 18 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:ComputerHotline" title="User:ComputerHotline">ComputerHotline</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ComputerHotline" title="User talk:ComputerHotline">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ComputerHotline-2015-11-20T19:34:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-10T16:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 20 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick"><bdi>Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</bdi></a>: <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done, use <a href="/wiki/Property:P710" title="Property:P710">participant (P710)</a> with <a href="/wiki/Property:P1352" title="Property:P1352">ranking (P1352)</a> as qualifier. Otherwise we have two ways to model the same thing. Additionally we would need further properties to model further ranks. All this makes querying harder, not easier. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-26T18:38:00.000Z-runner-up" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau"><bdi>Srittau</bdi></a>: : it is not me that I ask this property, I use specific qualifiers. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2016-03-27T08:40:00.000Z-Srittau-2016-03-26T18:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:40, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Oops, thank you for pointing this out. @<a href="/wiki/User:AmaryllisGardener" title="User:AmaryllisGardener"><bdi>AmaryllisGardener</bdi></a>: --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-27T08:49:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2016-03-27T08:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:49, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Cycling_Quotient_identifier_(race)_(men)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cycling_Quotient_identifier_(race)_(men)-2015-11-11T15:41:00.000Z">Cycling Quotient identifier (race) (men)</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2648" title="Property:P2648">CQ Ranking men's race ID</a> (P2648) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2648" title="Property talk:P2648">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Cycling Quotient identifier (race)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2215841" title="Q2215841">cycle sport (Q2215841)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q20872499" title="Q20872499">2015 Grand Prix de Fourmies (Q20872499)</a> → ...</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=28943">http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=28943</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>yes</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> See above. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-11T15:41:00.000Z-Cycling_Quotient_identifier_(race)_(men)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 11 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support usefull. <a href="/wiki/User:A.BourgeoisP" title="User:A.BourgeoisP">A.BourgeoisP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A.BourgeoisP" title="User talk:A.BourgeoisP">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-A.BourgeoisP-2015-11-11T20:52:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-11T15:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 11 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>I see the 'Giro dell'Emilia' has 2 codes. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=28341">http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=28341</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.cqranking.com/women/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=10712">http://www.cqranking.com/women/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=10712</a> - for the mens and womens races. It looks like you need two separate properties - one for men and one for women - to make sense of these CQranking codes. Are you going to propose that or will we just do the mens? <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Filceolaire-2015-11-12T15:37:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-11T15:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 12 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I just work on men cycling races, but it is not impossible to create another property for women. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-14T17:06:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-11-12T15:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 14 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support provided the property name is changed to make it clear it is only to be used for men's races. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Filceolaire-2015-11-21T22:20:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-14T17:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 21 November 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:ComputerHotline" title="User:ComputerHotline">ComputerHotline</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ComputerHotline" title="User talk:ComputerHotline">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ComputerHotline-2015-11-20T19:34:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-11T15:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 20 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Marked as ready as there have been no objections since November(!) <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2016-03-07T13:40:00.000Z-ComputerHotline-2015-11-20T19:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Fralambert" title="User:Fralambert"><bdi>Fralambert</bdi></a>: : peux-tu créer les propriétés des bases de données qui peuvent l'être ? Ça me permettra de mettre à jour les modèles et de lancer les propositions pour celles qui manquent. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2016-03-20T12:20:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2016-03-07T13:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick"><bdi>Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</bdi></a>: Je voudrais bien, mais peut tu me sortir un exemple plus, je ne suis pas tout à fait sur s'il s'agit d'un identifiant externe ou d'un url. --<a href="/wiki/User:Fralambert" title="User:Fralambert">Fralambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fralambert" title="User talk:Fralambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Fralambert-2016-03-20T13:34:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2016-03-20T12:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:34, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><dl><dd>Je m'excuse pour le retard @<a href="/wiki/User:Fralambert" title="User:Fralambert"><bdi>Fralambert</bdi></a>:. C'est similaire à ProCyclingStats, tu as un lien qui est toujours identique avec un numéro à la fin, voir <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27150">http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27150</a> pour le <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Prix_E3_2015" class="extiw" title="fr:Grand Prix E3 2015">fr:Grand Prix E3 2015</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2016-03-24T16:35:00.000Z-Fralambert-2016-03-20T13:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick"><bdi>Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:A.BourgeoisP" title="User:A.BourgeoisP"><bdi>A.BourgeoisP</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:ComputerHotline" title="User:ComputerHotline"><bdi>ComputerHotline</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done with <a href="/wiki/Property:P2648" title="Property:P2648">CQ Ranking men's race ID (P2648)</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Fralambert" title="User:Fralambert">Fralambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fralambert" title="User talk:Fralambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Fralambert-2016-03-24T22:10:00.000Z-Cycling_Quotient_identifier_(race)_(men)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Cycling_Quotient_URL_(team,_men)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cycling_Quotient_URL_(team,_men)-2015-11-11T15:41:00.000Z">Cycling Quotient URL (team, men)</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2649" title="Property:P2649">CQ Ranking men's team URL</a> (P2649) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2649" title="Property talk:P2649">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Cycling Quotient identifier (team)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#url" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">URL</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2215841" title="Q2215841">cycle sport (Q2215841)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q18746658" title="Q18746658">Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise 2015 (Q18746658)</a> → TSV</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/team.asp?year=2015&teamcode=M13">http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/team.asp?year=2015&teamcode=M13</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>yes</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> See above. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-11T15:41:00.000Z-Cycling_Quotient_URL_(team,_men)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 11 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support usefull. <a href="/wiki/User:A.BourgeoisP" title="User:A.BourgeoisP">A.BourgeoisP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A.BourgeoisP" title="User talk:A.BourgeoisP">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-A.BourgeoisP-2015-11-11T20:51:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-11T15:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 11 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q18746658" title="Q18746658">Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise 2015 (Q18746658)</a> has got 9 entries on this site - one each for every year from 2008 to 2016 though all of these have the teamcode 'TSV' so I have added that to your example. (Search for team with no year selected and code = TSV) The search function uses asp so the search string isn't in the url so we can't use the 'formatter property' to construct a search to get the list of 9 entries.</li></ul> <dl><dd>Womens teams have a different url (change 'men' to 'women' in the url above).</dd> <dd>all this means that we can't use the CQranking team code to generate a link to the team page on CQranking.com unless we have separate mens and womens properties and we give the value as "year=2015&teamcode=TSV" instead of just "TSV" then each team has as many entries for this property as it has entries on CQranking. Is that how you want to do this or do you just want the team code but don't need to link to the team CQranking page? <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Filceolaire-2015-11-12T15:24:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-11T15:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 12 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I don't know, in fact, I want to use the entry in the template <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Cqranking" class="extiw" title="fr:Modèle:Cqranking">fr:Modèle:Cqranking</a> at the bottom of articles. My goal is also to translate the template and permit to other Wikipedians to uses these datas in their language, like ProCyclingStats. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-17T11:07:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-11-12T15:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. The existing property <a href="/wiki/Property:P1541" title="Property:P1541">CQ Ranking male cyclist ID (P1541)</a> only works for male riders. Similarly this property only works for male teams but it will do that as well as P1541. I think you need to rename this property and P1541 and then create matching properties for CQrankings for women riders and teams. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Filceolaire-2015-11-21T22:19:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-17T11:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 21 November 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:ComputerHotline" title="User:ComputerHotline">ComputerHotline</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ComputerHotline" title="User talk:ComputerHotline">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ComputerHotline-2015-11-20T19:34:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-11T15:41:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 20 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Marked as ready as there have been no objections or comments since November. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2016-03-07T13:42:00.000Z-ComputerHotline-2015-11-20T19:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment I am reading this proposal and I am not certain this is a external-id property, since there is a "2015" in the URL. Mor a URL property? --<a href="/wiki/User:Fralambert" title="User:Fralambert">Fralambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fralambert" title="User talk:Fralambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Fralambert-2016-03-20T13:42:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-11-11T15:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Fralambert" title="User:Fralambert"><bdi>Fralambert</bdi></a>: : <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/team.asp?year=2016&teamcode=SKY">http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/team.asp?year=2016&teamcode=SKY</a> ça ressemble plutôt à une URL Property pour ce cas là. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2016-03-24T16:38:00.000Z-Fralambert-2016-03-20T13:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li></ul></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick"><bdi>Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:A.BourgeoisP" title="User:A.BourgeoisP"><bdi>A.BourgeoisP</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:ComputerHotline" title="User:ComputerHotline"><bdi>ComputerHotline</bdi></a>: done with <a href="/wiki/Property:P2649" title="Property:P2649">CQ Ranking men's team URL (P2649)</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Fralambert" title="User:Fralambert">Fralambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fralambert" title="User talk:Fralambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Fralambert-2016-03-24T22:27:00.000Z-Cycling_Quotient_URL_(team,_men)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:27, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Merci @<a href="/wiki/User:Fralambert" title="User:Fralambert"><bdi>Fralambert</bdi></a>:. J'ai vu que tu as classé ces nouvelles propriétés comme des identifiants, est-ce que tu pourrais en faire de même avec <a href="/wiki/Property:P2327" title="Property:P2327">ProCyclingStats race ID (P2327)</a> et <a href="/wiki/Property:P2330" title="Property:P2330">Cycling Archives race ID (archived) (P2330)</a> en situation sur <a href="/wiki/Q23534938" title="Q23534938">2016 Tour de Normandie (Q23534938)</a>. J'avais contacté un employé de WMF il y a quelques semaines, mais je n'avais pas eu de réponse bien précise. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2016-03-25T12:52:00.000Z-Fralambert-2016-03-24T22:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:52, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>J'ai regardé <a href="/wiki/User:Addshore/Identifiers/2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Addshore/Identifiers/2">User:Addshore/Identifiers/2</a> et les deux propriétés ont été mis dans la case à convertir en identifiant externe le 22 mars. Que j'imagine que ce sera fait dans les prochains jours. --<a href="/wiki/User:Fralambert" title="User:Fralambert">Fralambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fralambert" title="User talk:Fralambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Fralambert-2016-03-26T03:00:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2016-03-25T12:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:00, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="minimal_lethal_concentration" data-mw-thread-id="h-minimal_lethal_concentration-2016-01-21T17:25:00.000Z">minimal lethal concentration</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2710" title="Property:P2710">minimal lethal concentration</a> (P2710) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2710" title="Property talk:P2710">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Lowest concentration of a toxic substance in an environmental medium that kills individual organisms or test species under a defined set of conditions.</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q21346369" title="Q21346369">minimal lethal concentration</a> (Q21346369)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>LCLo</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>chemicals</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>numbers with units mg/m3 or ppm over a time period, in a specific animal through a defined route of administration (time period, route of administration and animal should be qualifiers)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1904422" title="Q1904422">dichlorine (Q1904422)</a>: 800 ppm, <a href="/wiki/Property:P2352" title="Property:P2352">applies to taxon (P2352)</a>: <a href="/wiki/Q25324" title="Q25324">Canidae (Q25324)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P636" title="Property:P636">route of administration (P636)</a>: <a href="/wiki/Q840343" title="Q840343">inhalation (Q840343)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P2047" title="Property:P2047">duration (P2047)</a>: 30 minutes</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>External references</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Provide full set of toxicological data. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Snipre-2016-01-21T17:25:00.000Z-minimal_lethal_concentration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 21 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Basic toxicological properties such as this should be added to Wikidata. It would bring more health-relevant information to chemical properties. It would also make easier to find and compare toxicity of different chemicals. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jtuom" title="User:Jtuom">Jtuom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jtuom" title="User talk:Jtuom">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jtuom-2016-01-29T14:52:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-21T17:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 29 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-24T14:49:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-21T17:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jtuom" title="User:Jtuom"><bdi>Jtuom</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2710" title="Property:P2710">minimal lethal concentration (P2710)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Almondega" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Almondega">Almondega</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Almondega" title="User talk:Almondega">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Almondega-2016-04-06T12:52:00.000Z-minimal_lethal_concentration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:52, 6 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="elected_in" data-mw-thread-id="h-elected_in-2015-11-27T23:21:00.000Z">elected in</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2715" title="Property:P2715">elected in</a> (P2715) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2715" title="Property talk:P2715">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>the election a person gained a position from, used as qualifier</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>elected officials</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>humans who have been elected to a role</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q465295" title="Q465295">Ted Strickland (Q465295)</a><a href="/wiki/Property:P39" title="Property:P39">position held (P39)</a> -> <a href="/wiki/Q20644070" class="mw-redirect" title="Q20644070">Governor of Ohio (Q20644070)</a> ( elected in - > <a href="/wiki/Q7081047" title="Q7081047">2006 Ohio gubernatorial election (Q7081047)</a> )</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/User:Antrocent" title="User:Antrocent">Antrocent</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antrocent" title="User talk:Antrocent">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Antrocent-2015-11-27T23:21:00.000Z-elected_in" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:21, 27 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support if we really do not have this already. I can't find anything but I'd be surprised if there wasn't something. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2015-11-27T23:58:00.000Z-Antrocent-2015-11-27T23:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:58, 27 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Actually, there is an inverse property <a href="/wiki/Property:P991" title="Property:P991">successful candidate (P991)</a>, but it's used is not clear enough; the most often (mis)use of this property is a making a link between parlamentary elections and one person (prime minister? leader of the strongest party? who knows...) <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P991#Definition_of_"successful"" title="Property talk:P991">My question on the talkpage</a> doesn't seem to bother anybody. Anyway, the proposed property seems to bring a more error-proof and less clarification-demanding solution. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shlomo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shlomo (page does not exist)">Shlomo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shlomo" title="User talk:Shlomo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Shlomo-2015-11-28T18:50:00.000Z-Antrocent-2015-11-27T23:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 28 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment from the English label, I thought this was a duplicate of <a href="/wiki/Property:P768" title="Property:P768">electoral district (P768)</a>. Not sure what to suggest though. I suppose it should also link every re-election. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-12-04T09:42:00.000Z-Antrocent-2015-11-27T23:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I had the same impression until I saw the example. Maybe the English name of this property should be reconsidered. I leave this for the native speakers, though.</dd> <dd>About the re-election: Supposed we have one statement of <a href="/wiki/Property:P39" title="Property:P39">position held (P39)</a> for several consecutive periods, there certainly should be qualifiers linking to all the re-elections. But maybe a separate <a href="/wiki/Property:P39" title="Property:P39">position held (P39)</a> statement for every period (with a single link to [re-]election) would be a better choice. On the other hand, how will we use the <a href="/wiki/Property:P1365" title="Property:P1365">replaces (P1365)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1366" title="Property:P1366">replaced by (P1366)</a> qualifiers in the case of re-election? Could an item link to itself?--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shlomo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shlomo (page does not exist)">Shlomo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shlomo" title="User talk:Shlomo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Shlomo-2015-12-06T12:55:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-12-04T09:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:55, 6 December 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li> <li>from the name of the property, I thought it was a date property. from the provided example, I would suggest elected during (in is such a catch-all term) --<a href="/wiki/User:Hsarrazin" title="User:Hsarrazin">Hsarrazin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hsarrazin" title="User talk:Hsarrazin">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Hsarrazin-2015-12-24T10:02:00.000Z-Antrocent-2015-11-27T23:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:02, 24 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>"During" seems also ambiguous (even if probably less ambiguous than "in") - it can also refer to time or to event that takes place at the same time as the election does. What about "elected through"? Or maybe just "election"? (Just proposals, I'm not a native speaker of English and I can't feel the slight differences between the options so well...)--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shlomo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shlomo (page does not exist)">Shlomo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shlomo" title="User talk:Shlomo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Shlomo-2015-12-24T16:42:00.000Z-Hsarrazin-2015-12-24T10:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 24 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>To me (a native English speaker) "elected during" is at least as likely to be a time field than "elected in". My first thought would be to expect things like "elected during <a href="/wiki/Q2002" title="Q2002">2015 (Q2002)</a>" or "elected during <a href="/wiki/Q21084460" title="Q21084460">43rd Parliament of the United Kingdom (Q21084460)</a>" and less likely to refer to an election. "Elected at" is the best short name I can come up with, "elected as a result of" is longer but not necessarily better. It also implies that <a href="/wiki/Property:P828" title="Property:P828">has cause (P828)</a> as a qualifier to their position would work. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2015-12-24T23:08:00.000Z-Shlomo-2015-12-24T16:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 24 December 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment I still do not know how to handle cases, when people get their "position held", not by getting more votes than anybody else, but by replacing somebody who temporarly or for the rest of the period cannot "hold their position" any longer. Parental leave, retirement and death also affects MPs. An example: <a href="/wiki/Q512590" title="Q512590">Börje Vestlund (Q512590)</a> is since 2015-10-01 an MP of the Swedish parlaiment, not because he was elected as such, but as a replacement for Stefan Löfvén, who holds the position as Prime Minister. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander" title="User:Innocent bystander">Innocent bystander</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Innocent_bystander" title="User talk:Innocent bystander">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Innocent_bystander-2015-12-24T17:34:00.000Z-Antrocent-2015-11-27T23:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:34, 24 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>As for MPs' replacements, they are not just anybody who comes and is ready to continue the job; usually they took part in the same election and on the same list as the replaced MP, they just ended "below the line" according to the number of seats gained by that particular list. But the legitimacy for becoming an MP is their election result. (I asked in <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P991#Definition_of_"successful"" title="Property talk:P991">another discussion</a>, if such candidates can be included in <a href="/wiki/Property:P991" title="Property:P991">successful candidate (P991)</a> statements...) Anyway I assume, that their position can be described as "elected at/through/whatever" the election even if there was a considerable time span between the election and obtaining the position.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shlomo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shlomo (page does not exist)">Shlomo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shlomo" title="User talk:Shlomo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Shlomo-2016-01-04T09:22:00.000Z-Innocent_bystander-2015-12-24T17:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:22, 4 January 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>A more serious problem are the MPs (or any other "elected" body), that are not elected at all. In some parliaments (councils a.s.o.) there are several seats reserved for representatives of some particular groups or regions. Such MPs are not always elected, but nominated by another body, or their MP-ship is connected with another function a.s.o. Surely they shouldn't be described as "elected at", but with another property (if there is one...) That could cause problems with constraints, scripts that use this data for infoboxes etc. What about a more general property, something like "legitimated by", which usually will link to the election, but can refer to another facticity as well if needed.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shlomo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shlomo (page does not exist)">Shlomo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shlomo" title="User talk:Shlomo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Shlomo-2016-01-04T09:22:00.000Z-Innocent_bystander-2015-12-24T17:34:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:22, 4 January 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P991" title="Property:P991">successful candidate (P991)</a> is currently vague, but the solution is not to start making duplicate or near-duplicate properties. <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Yair_rand-2016-02-29T20:41:00.000Z-Antrocent-2015-11-27T23:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support This may be a way to catch more easily <a href="/wiki/Property:P580" title="Property:P580">start time (P580)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P582" title="Property:P582">end time (P582)</a> in most cases of a very large number of MPs. <a href="/wiki/User:Kumkum" title="User:Kumkum">Kumkum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kumkum" title="User talk:Kumkum">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Kumkum-2016-03-12T18:34:00.000Z-Antrocent-2015-11-27T23:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="median_lethal_concentration" data-mw-thread-id="h-median_lethal_concentration-2016-01-21T17:26:00.000Z">median lethal concentration</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2712" title="Property:P2712">median lethal concentration (LC50)</a> (P2712) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2712" title="Property talk:P2712">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Statistically derived median concentration of a substance in an environmental medium expected to kill 50% of organisms in a given population under a defined set of conditions.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>LC50</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>chemicals</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>numbers with units in amount per volume for a specific animal over a certain time through a defined route of administration (time duration, animal, route of adminsitration should be qualifiers)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1904422" title="Q1904422">dichlorine (Q1904422)</a>: 137 ppm, <a href="/wiki/Property:P2352" title="Property:P2352">applies to taxon (P2352)</a>: <a href="/wiki/Q83310" title="Q83310">house mouse (Q83310)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P636" title="Property:P636">route of administration (P636)</a>: <a href="/wiki/Q840343" title="Q840343">inhalation (Q840343)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P2047" title="Property:P2047">duration (P2047)</a>: 1 hour</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>External references</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Provide full set of toxicological data. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Snipre-2016-01-21T17:26:00.000Z-median_lethal_concentration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 21 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Basic toxicological properties such as this should be added to Wikidata. It would bring more health-relevant information to chemical properties. It would also make easier to find and compare toxicity of different chemicals. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jtuom" title="User:Jtuom">Jtuom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jtuom" title="User talk:Jtuom">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jtuom-2016-01-29T14:52:00.000Z-median_lethal_concentration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 29 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-24T14:46:00.000Z-Jtuom-2016-01-29T14:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jtuom" title="User:Jtuom"><bdi>Jtuom</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2712" title="Property:P2712">median lethal concentration (LC50) (P2712)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Almondega" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Almondega">Almondega</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Almondega" title="User talk:Almondega">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Almondega-2016-04-06T13:44:00.000Z-median_lethal_concentration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:44, 6 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Wiktionary" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wiktionary-2013-02-25T10:20:00.000Z">Wiktionary</h3></div> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose all of these. Wikidata has items, each of which has labels in many languages, all referring to the same item. Wiktionary has words, each of which has translations into many languages, all of which are different words with separate entries in wiktionary. The properties below are properties for words; not for wikidata items so they don't have much use here on wikidata.</li></ul> <dl><dd>Try <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://omegawiki.org">omegawiki.org</a> if you want to support a database crossed with a dictionary. They have 'concepts' linked to 'expressions' in multiple languages. I believe they are already looking at linking the 'concepts' to wikidata items. --<a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Filceolaire-2013-06-19T00:51:00.000Z-Wiktionary" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 19 June 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><ul><li>I think that word is just another kind of item, probably not begin with Q, but a property can be used too.--<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <ul><li>We could include Omegawiki, if you look at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Benutzer:Bigbossfarin/test" class="extiw" title="w:de:Benutzer:Bigbossfarin/test">my draft</a> the right column could be Omegawiki and Wikidata only uses the data so we do not have to duplicate all the data.--<a href="/wiki/User:Bigbossfarin" title="User:Bigbossfarin">Bigbossfarin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bigbossfarin" title="User talk:Bigbossfarin">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Bigbossfarin-2013-10-29T18:45:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2013-06-19T00:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 29 October 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose all. It is way to early to start proposing Wiktionary properties. We don't even know what data model we'll be working with, if any. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Yair_rand-2013-06-20T18:25:00.000Z-Wiktionary" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 20 June 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Yes, It's only a proposal and draft. It is useful when data model is known. When this is available, these request can be spilted to a new page (<a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Sister_projects" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Sister projects">Wikidata:Property proposal/Sister projects</a>).--<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-GZWDer-2013-06-29T04:12:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2013-06-20T18:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 29 June 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment I think not every property here fits in one namespace. In my opinion we have to decide between terms and senses (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Benutzer:Bigbossfarin/test" class="extiw" title="w:de:Benutzer:Bigbossfarin/test">see here</a>) perhaps we could place the sense namespace in OmegaWiki.--<a href="/wiki/User:Bigbossfarin" title="User:Bigbossfarin">Bigbossfarin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bigbossfarin" title="User talk:Bigbossfarin">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Bigbossfarin-2013-10-26T22:21:00.000Z-Wiktionary" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 26 October 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose all of these. per Yair rand --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2014-12-26T14:22:00.000Z-Wiktionary" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 26 December 2014 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="anagrams_(en)" data-mw-thread-id="h-anagrams_(en)-Wiktionary-2013-06-18T10:19:00.000Z">anagrams (en)</h4></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>see <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Future#Wiktionary" class="extiw" title="m:Wikidata/Notes/Future">m:Wikidata/Notes/Future#Wiktionary</a></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td>MISSING</td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td>MISSING</td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td>MISSING</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-GZWDer-2013-06-18T10:19:00.000Z-anagrams_(en)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:19, 18 June 2013 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support This is currently the only non language-specific property in this list therefore it would be an easy enforceable proposal.--<a href="/wiki/User:Bigbossfarin" title="User:Bigbossfarin">Bigbossfarin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bigbossfarin" title="User talk:Bigbossfarin">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Bigbossfarin-2013-10-29T18:46:00.000Z-anagrams_(en)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 29 October 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment do you really need a property for this? can't the anagrams be generated automatically somehow? Cdlt, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-VIGNERON-2015-08-26T14:04:00.000Z-Bigbossfarin-2013-10-29T18:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 26 August 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose this property is language-dependent. "fowler" is an anagram of "flower" but stating <a href="/wiki/Q1440104" title="Q1440104">Fowler (Q1440104)</a> is an angram of <a href="/wiki/Q506" title="Q506">flower (Q506)</a> is only true in English. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-22T14:16:00.000Z-Bigbossfarin-2013-10-29T18:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer"><bdi>GZWDer</bdi></a>: <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done, no consensus for Wiktionary items at the moment. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-30T02:19:00.000Z-anagrams_(en)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:19, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="patronymic_/_Patronym_/_nom_à_suffixe_patronymique_/_patronimico" data-mw-thread-id="h-patronymic_/_Patronym_/_nom_à_suffixe_patronymique_/_patronimico-Wiktionary-2013-02-25T10:20:00.000Z">patronymic / Patronym / nom à suffixe patronymique / patronimico</h4></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The patronymic of a person. This only applies to persons who have a patronymic. This provides a machine readable version of the label for person items. For example, <a href="/wiki/Q7243" title="Q7243">Leo Tolstoy</a> will have value ("en:Nikolayevich", "de:Nikolajewitsch", "ru:Николаевич" ...) as the value of this property.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#multilingualtext" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Multilingual text</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Person</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q7243" title="Q7243">Leo Tolstoy (Q7243)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q7243&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q7243&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ patronym <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:_patronym" title="Special:Search/Property: patronym">Search</a> ⟨  Nikolayevich ⟩</div></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%C5%A0lomo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Šlomo (page does not exist)">Šlomo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0lomo" title="User talk:Šlomo">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> If there is an agreement on properties for family name and given name, there should be also a property for patronymic which differs from both of them.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%C5%A0lomo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Šlomo (page does not exist)">Šlomo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0lomo" title="User talk:Šlomo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Šlomo-2013-02-25T10:20:00.000Z-patronymic_/_Patronym_/_nom_à_suffixe_patronymique_/_patronimico" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:20, 25 February 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><dl><dd>And <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matronymic" class="extiw" title="w:Matronymic">matronymics</a>... and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_name" class="extiw" title="w:Clan name">clan names</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisbat" class="extiw" title="w:Nisbat">nisbats</a>, <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/teknonym" class="extiw" title="wikt:teknonym">teknonyms</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognomen" class="extiw" title="w:Cognomen">cognomens</a>... --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Yair_rand-2013-03-18T22:35:00.000Z-Šlomo-2013-02-25T10:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 18 March 2013 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Yair_rand-2013-06-07T00:46:00.000Z-Šlomo-2013-02-25T10:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:46, 7 June 2013 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support plus the other properties listed by Yair, though they can probably wait for now. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Filceolaire-2013-05-14T19:11:00.000Z-Šlomo-2013-02-25T10:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 14 May 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Odejea" title="User:Odejea">Odejea</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Odejea" title="User talk:Odejea">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Odejea-2013-06-05T13:14:00.000Z-Šlomo-2013-02-25T10:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:14, 5 June 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Additional question: How one should indicate that (Icelandic) names do not have a family part? <a href="/wiki/User:%D7%9C%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%99_%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%98" title="User:לערי ריינהארט">לערי ריינהארט</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D7%9C%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%99_%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%98" title="User talk:לערי ריינהארט">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-לערי_ריינהארט-2013-10-15T06:14:00.000Z-Šlomo-2013-02-25T10:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:14, 15 October 2013 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Good question. That is not only a Icelandic problem. Older Scandinavian names can have the same problem. Here in Sweden, you will find them soon in the history, depending on in which level of the society you look. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Lavallen" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Lavallen">Lavallen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lavallen" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Lavallen">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Lavallen-2013-10-15T06:31:00.000Z-לערי_ריינהארט-2013-10-15T06:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:31, 15 October 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li>Use <a href="/wiki/Property:P734" title="Property:P734">family name (P734)</a> with a "novalue" statement.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shlomo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shlomo (page does not exist)">Shlomo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shlomo" title="User talk:Shlomo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Shlomo-2013-11-18T10:30:00.000Z-לערי_ריינהארט-2013-10-15T06:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:30, 18 November 2013 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support But this is not consistent with <a href="/w/index.php?title=P735&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="P735 (page does not exist)">first name</a> which has the Item data type. --<a href="/wiki/User:DixonD" title="User:DixonD">DixonD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DixonD" title="User talk:DixonD">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-DixonD-2014-11-08T09:25:00.000Z-Šlomo-2013-02-25T10:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:25, 8 November 2014 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose as proposed, but <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support is item datatype to be consistent with other name properties. I also support the other types of names, though also a generic name property because what exact class a name is in a particular usage is not always specified in the source, but we still ought to have a way to add the claim. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-10-20T20:46:00.000Z-Šlomo-2013-02-25T10:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 20 October 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Question @<a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner"><bdi>Joshbaumgartner</bdi></a>: Can you point me at an explanation for why first and family name have item datatype? It seems like an extra burden on contributors to reify names, and probably leads to great under-population of these properties. And it doesn't seem ontologically sound to link items as siblings simply because they share a name. It's as if we make homonyms siblings under a word simply because of a lexical coincidence. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Bovlb" title="User:Bovlb">Bovlb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bovlb" title="User talk:Bovlb">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Bovlb-2015-11-17T17:40:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-10-20T20:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 17 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Bovlb" title="User:Bovlb"><bdi>Bovlb</bdi></a>: No, I am not well versed in exactly why it was set up that way and personally I agree with you that it is a burden to have to learn the whole system of adding items for names, and then sub-items for specific name applications, even having separate items by gender for some of them, and then go create new items and sometimes additional structure every time you just want to identify someone's name. I certainly have shied away from putting in names that don't already have items because it is tangential to what I am putting in and I want to stay focused on my main objective...for example I may be updating player-to-team links and wouldn't mind filling in player first, last, etc. names, while I'm there, but if it takes going down a side road and having to create new items, it isn't always worth the time. However, the reason I listed my recommendation to change to 'item' is because we should be consistent in what system we use, and unless we are going to re-visit how we do first and last names, then it is the system that is in place right now. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-11-17T18:33:00.000Z-Bovlb-2015-11-17T17:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 17 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner"><bdi>Joshbaumgartner</bdi></a>: I can see one advantage, which is that it gives you name translations for free, although I'm not aware of any attempt to exploit that. The fact that it discourages addition of names seems like a major drawback. <a href="/wiki/User:Bovlb" title="User:Bovlb">Bovlb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bovlb" title="User talk:Bovlb">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Bovlb-2015-11-25T16:55:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-11-17T18:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:55, 25 November 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose when applied to person with patronymic, but <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support when applied to that person's father's given name from which the patronymic is derived. Ideally, the patronymic for a person should be retrievable wherever needed by looking at the person's <a href="/wiki/Property:P22" title="Property:P22">father (P22)</a>'s <a href="/wiki/Property:P735" title="Property:P735">given name (P735)</a> with preferred rank and grabbing its value for this proposed property. This arrangement also allows the patronymic to be adjusted by the person's <a href="/wiki/Property:P172" title="Property:P172">ethnic group (P172)</a>; if the same name item has different patronymics assigned to it in different languages, people with different values for <a href="/wiki/Property:P172" title="Property:P172">ethnic group (P172)</a> can have different patronymics shown when needed. ––– For those people whose fathers are not on Wikidata, there could be a sister property 'patronymic from' that takes a name item, so that the patronymic can be generated from that name alone. <a href="/wiki/User:Mahir256" title="User:Mahir256">Mahir256</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mahir256" title="User talk:Mahir256">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Mahir256-2015-12-13T06:44:00.000Z-Šlomo-2013-02-25T10:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:44, 13 December 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%C5%A0lomo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Šlomo (page does not exist)"><bdi>Šlomo</bdi></a>: <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done, no consensus for Wiktionary items at the moment. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-30T02:19:00.000Z-patronymic_/_Patronym_/_nom_à_suffixe_patronymique_/_patronimico" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:19, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Commons_category" data-mw-thread-id="h-Commons_category-2014-03-17T18:42:00.000Z">Commons category</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>A replacement of current <a href="/wiki/Property:P373" title="Property:P373">Commons category (P373)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>Commons cat-templates</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>all</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>items related to categories on Commons</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2013" title="Q2013">Wikidata (Q2013)</a>:<a href="/wiki/Q14565196" title="Q14565196">Category:Wikidata technical administration (Q14565196)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>current use of P373</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>yes</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Lavallen" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Lavallen">Lavallen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lavallen" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Lavallen">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> P373 are from the old ages in Wikidatas history when Commons wasn't connected to Wikidata. Now it is, and I think we should rethink how we technically connect ourself with Commons. I here propose the idea that the current Property for Commonscat: <a href="/wiki/Property:P373" title="Property:P373">Commons category (P373)</a> who has datatype:string should be replaced with an item who has item as datatype. If this proposal is successfull, maybe the same thing should happen with <a href="/wiki/Property:P935" title="Property:P935">Commons gallery (P935)</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Lavallen" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Lavallen">Lavallen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lavallen" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Lavallen">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Lavallen-2014-03-17T18:42:00.000Z-Commons_category" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 17 March 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Is there some difference from <a href="/wiki/Property:P910" title="Property:P910">topic's main category (P910)</a>? Another thing: <a href="https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47930" class="extiw" title="bugzilla:47930">bugzilla:47930</a> does not allow to query data from non-directly connected item. Third thing: there is idea merge category item and article item to single item. — <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ivan_A._Krestinin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ivan A. Krestinin (page does not exist)">Ivan A. Krestinin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ivan_A._Krestinin" title="User talk:Ivan A. Krestinin">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Ivan_A._Krestinin-2014-03-18T21:21:00.000Z-Lavallen-2014-03-17T18:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 18 March 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Exactly Ivan. No difference, and no action until <a href="https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47930" class="extiw" title="bugzilla:47930">bugzilla:47930</a> is fixed. So we just have to wait.</dd> <dd>And category and article in the same item is not going to happen. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Multichill-2014-03-18T21:49:00.000Z-Ivan_A._Krestinin-2014-03-18T21:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 18 March 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>What is the benefit of P373 if there is <a href="/wiki/Property:P910" title="Property:P910">topic's main category (P910)</a> having an item that links to Commons? As of now this looks like duplication to me, or worse storing correct and outdated information at the same time, e.g. Aveiro District (<a href="/wiki/Q210527" title="Q210527">Q210527</a>) and Category:Aveiro District (<a href="/wiki/Q8280642" title="Q8280642">Q8280642</a>) which are linked twice with each other (P310/P910) and where the category item links to <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Aveiro_District" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Aveiro District">commons:Category:Aveiro District</a> both link to <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Aveiro_(district)" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Aveiro (district)">commons:Category:Aveiro (district)</a> via P373. The longer P373 stays, the more outdated information will be created. <a href="/wiki/User:Tamawashi" title="User:Tamawashi">Tamawashi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamawashi" title="User talk:Tamawashi">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Tamawashi-2014-06-27T05:13:00.000Z-Multichill-2014-03-18T21:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:13, 27 June 2014 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Commons Galleries can be linked via sitelink on the topic item, as Commons Categories can be linked from topic's main category item. Please show what extra benefit <a href="/wiki/Property:P935" title="Property:P935">Commons gallery (P935)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P373" title="Property:P373">Commons category (P373)</a> can have with respect to having connections between things, i.e. apart from different visualization. <a href="/wiki/User:Tamawashi" title="User:Tamawashi">Tamawashi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamawashi" title="User talk:Tamawashi">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Tamawashi-2014-06-27T05:51:00.000Z-Lavallen-2014-03-17T18:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:51, 27 June 2014 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done no support --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-22T13:56:00.000Z-Lavallen-2014-03-17T18:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:56, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="collage_image" data-mw-thread-id="h-collage_image-2016-03-01T08:58:00.000Z">collage image</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2716" title="Property:P2716">montage image</a> (P2716) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2716" title="Property talk:P2716">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>image file that assembles two or more other images of item</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#commonsMedia" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Commons media file</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>any</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>images from <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Montages" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Montages">category:montages</a> etc</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q64" title="Q64">Berlin</a> → <a href="/wiki/File:Collage_Berlin2.jpg" title="File:Collage Berlin2.jpg">Collage Berlin2.jpg</a></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td> --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2016-03-01T08:58:00.000Z-collage_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:58, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-22T14:08:00.000Z-Jura1-2016-03-01T08:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="sectional_view" data-mw-thread-id="h-sectional_view-2016-03-19T20:42:00.000Z">sectional view</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2713" title="Property:P2713">sectional view</a> (P2713) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2713" title="Property talk:P2713">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>fichier image montrant une vue en coupe de l'élément</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#commonsMedia" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Commons media file</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>any</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>sectional views</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q430024" title="Q430024">human eye (Q430024)</a> → <a href="/wiki/File:Human_eye_cross-sectional_view_grayscale.png" title="File:Human eye cross-sectional view grayscale.png">File:Human eye cross-sectional view grayscale.png</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q2164826" title="Q2164826">Ligne de Cerdagne (Q2164826)</a> → <a href="/wiki/File:Train_Jaune_profil.png" title="File:Train Jaune profil.png">Train Jaune profil.png</a></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-19T20:42:00.000Z-sectional_view" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Most of the world is in 3D and we need to get a sectional view of things to fully understand how it works in there! But <a href="/wiki/Property:P18" title="Property:P18">image (P18)</a>, it's natural, mostly stores external views of stuff. A property dedicated to sectional views would be useful for things as different as an <a href="/wiki/Q712378" title="Q712378">organ (Q712378)</a>, a <a href="/wiki/Q41176" title="Q41176">building (Q41176)</a> or a <a href="/wiki/Q11019" title="Q11019">machine (Q11019)</a>, but also to store the altimetric diagram of a <a href="/wiki/Q15091377" title="Q15091377">cycling race (Q15091377)</a>, for instance. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-19T20:42:00.000Z-sectional_view-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-22T14:08:00.000Z-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-19T20:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. This will clearly be of use in engineering fields and probably others. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2016-03-23T00:08:00.000Z-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-19T20:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:08, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Wikimedia_import_status" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikimedia_import_status-2015-08-21T08:03:00.000Z">Wikimedia import status</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>status of the import of the list, template or category from Wikipedia or any other Wikimedia site to Wikidata</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>lists, templates, categories</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>specific status items (per wiki or import step)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q8497371" title="Q8497371">Category:Governors of West Virginia (Q8497371)</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Q20855625&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Q20855625 (page does not exist)">all incumbents imported</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Q20855625">item deleted</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Wikidata contributors</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>could be set automatically after import by bot</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Makes it easier to identify lists/categories that still need import. Different status items can be used to monitor different import steps/imports from different wikis. Probably not much use to non-contributing users who should just ignore it. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-08-21T08:03:00.000Z-Wikimedia_import_status" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:03, 21 August 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose Unlikely, if not impossible, to be correctly maintained. Such information should be compiled on-the-fly, programmatically, should anyone need it. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-08-21T10:21:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-08-21T08:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 21 August 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>It a status flag that can be timestamped if needed. Besides, user who don't participate in importing statement can ignore it. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-08-21T10:24:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-08-21T10:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:24, 21 August 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose per Pigsonthewing--<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-22T14:17:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-08-21T08:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done, no consensus. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-30T02:25:00.000Z-Wikimedia_import_status" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:25, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="no-observed-adverse-effect_level_(NOAEL)" data-mw-thread-id="h-no-observed-adverse-effect_level_(NOAEL)-2016-01-29T14:52:00.000Z">no-observed-adverse-effect level (NOAEL)</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2717" title="Property:P2717">no-observed-adverse-effect level</a> (P2717) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2717" title="Property talk:P2717">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Greatest concentration or amount of a substance, found by experiment or observation, which causes no detectable adverse alteration of morphology, functional capacity, growth, development, or life span of the target organism under defined conditions of exposure.</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1755926" title="Q1755926">no observable adverse effect level</a> (Q1755926)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>chemicals</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>numbers with units in amount per kilo per day for a specific animal using a specific administration route during a defined duration (administration route, animal and duration should be qualifiers)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q407768" title="Q407768">chlorobenzene (Q407768)</a>: 27.25 mg/kg bw/day, <a href="/wiki/Property:P2352" title="Property:P2352">applies to taxon (P2352)</a>: dog, <a href="/wiki/Property:P636" title="Property:P636">route of administration (P636)</a>: oral exposure, <a href="/wiki/Property:P2047" title="Property:P2047">duration (P2047)</a>: 13 weeks</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>External references like <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov">toxnet</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Provide full set of toxicological data. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Snipre-2016-03-08T00:42:00.000Z-no-observed-adverse-effect_level_(NOAEL)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:42, 8 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Basic toxicological properties such as this should be added to Wikidata. It would bring more health-relevant information to chemical properties. It would also make easier to find and compare toxicity of different chemicals. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jtuom" title="User:Jtuom">Jtuom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jtuom" title="User talk:Jtuom">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jtuom-2016-01-29T14:52:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-03-08T00:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 29 January 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Interesting information. Will be useful to Open Food Facts, which is also linked to Wikidata--<a href="/wiki/User:Teolemon" title="User:Teolemon">Teolemon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Teolemon" title="User talk:Teolemon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Teolemon-2016-03-07T14:52:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-03-08T00:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jtuom" title="User:Jtuom"><bdi>Jtuom</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Teolemon" title="User:Teolemon"><bdi>Teolemon</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2717" title="Property:P2717">no-observed-adverse-effect level (P2717)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Almondega" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Almondega">Almondega</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Almondega" title="User talk:Almondega">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Almondega-2016-04-06T14:28:00.000Z-no-observed-adverse-effect_level_(NOAEL)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 6 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="embed_URL" data-mw-thread-id="h-embed_URL-2016-01-21T20:19:00.000Z">embed URL</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2720" title="Property:P2720">embed URL template</a> (P2720) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2720" title="Property talk:P2720">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P1630" title="Property:P1630">formatter URL</a> for embeddable content</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a class="external mw-magiclink-rfc" rel="nofollow" href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986">RFC 3986</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Same as <a href="/wiki/Property:P1630" title="Property:P1630">formatter URL</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Property:P1651" title="Property:P1651">YouTube video ID (P1651)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.youtube.com/embed/$1">https://www.youtube.com/embed/$1</a> (uses <code>?start=</code> and <code>&end=</code> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19507063/playing-youtube-video-with-start-and-end-time-using-youtube-api">[9]</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P2613" title="Property:P2613">TED talk ID (P2613)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://embed.ted.com/talks/$1">http://embed.ted.com/talks/$1</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P724" title="Property:P724">Internet Archive ID (P724)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://archive.org/embed/$1">https://archive.org/embed/$1</a> (examples: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/embed/VisiCalc_1979_SoftwareArts">VisiCalc</a> (software), <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/embed/Free_20s_Jazz_Collection">1920s Jazz Collection</a> (music), <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/embed/dw_griffith_birth_of_a_nation">The Birth of a Nation</a> (film). Books currently use a different URL: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/stream/ghostseer01schiuoft?ui=embed">Frankenstein</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P1874" title="Property:P1874">Netflix ID (P1874)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.netflix.com/watch/$1">https://www.netflix.com/watch/$1</a> (debatable, uses <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/X-Frame-Options">X-Frame-Options: DENY</a>, so application use only)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P1902" title="Property:P1902">Spotify artist ID (P1902)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://embed.spotify.com/?uri=spotify:artist:$1">https://embed.spotify.com/?uri=spotify:artist:$1</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P2205" title="Property:P2205">Spotify album ID (P2205)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://embed.spotify.com/?uri=spotify:album:$1">https://embed.spotify.com/?uri=spotify:album:$1</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P2207" title="Property:P2207">Spotify track ID (P2207)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://embed.spotify.com/?uri=spotify:track:$1">https://embed.spotify.com/?uri=spotify:track:$1</a></li></ul></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Property:P1651" title="Property:P1651">P1651 (YouTube video identifier)</a> only lists non-embeddable URLs, removing users from their current viewing point. In mobile environments doing so may require launching a separate application, losing previous application state. Beyond video: Web comics can be embedded (XKCD encourages this), photographs, 360 panoramas, podcasts, legislation (text), and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4588">even emulators</a>. Which is preferable? A formatter URL qualifier (embed=Document/Image/Audio/Video/Web) or another property (embed URL) to indicate this? Challenges: <code><iframe></code>s requires a fixed width and height. They do not scale like <code><img></code> (automatic height with given width), hopefully this will be fixed. Media type information (document, picture, sound, video, or JavaScript) might be useful. Audio containers should have non-zero width/height (for buttons). <a href="/wiki/User:Dispenser" title="User:Dispenser">Dispenser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dispenser" title="User talk:Dispenser">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Dispenser-2016-01-21T20:19:00.000Z-embed_URL" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 21 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Given that the Youtube ID is shared between the direct URL and the URL for embedding, and given that <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wdq.wmflabs.org/api?q=CLAIM%5B910:8480584%5D&props=1651">the ID itself is stored</a> for <a href="/wiki/Property:P1651" title="Property:P1651">YouTube video ID (P1651)</a>, I don't quite see what purpose that would serve. <a href="/wiki/User:Alphos" title="User:Alphos">Alphos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alphos" title="User talk:Alphos">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Alphos-2016-01-22T12:10:00.000Z-embed_URL" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>The idea is programs can embed the video instead of launching a new browser window. The alternative is every program special casing every service. <a href="/wiki/User:Dispenser" title="User:Dispenser">Dispenser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dispenser" title="User talk:Dispenser">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Dispenser-2016-01-22T23:58:00.000Z-Alphos-2016-01-22T12:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:58, 22 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>this proposal makes only sense to me if we use it as property on property pages, <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1651" title="Property:P1651">YouTube video ID (P1651)</a> ⟩ embed URL <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:embed_URL" title="Special:Search/Property:embed URL">Search</a> ⟨ <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.youtube.com/embed/$1">https://www.youtube.com/embed/$1</a> ⟩</div>. But is there beside <a href="/wiki/Property:P1651" title="Property:P1651">YouTube video ID (P1651)</a> another property on which we could use it? --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-22T15:02:00.000Z-Dispenser-2016-01-22T23:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>The commercial service Embed.ly <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://embed.ly/providers">lists 300+ providers</a>, but most of those are proxied snippets (e.g. New York Times article). I have added 3 more example properties to the list. <a href="/wiki/User:Dispenser" title="User:Dispenser">Dispenser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dispenser" title="User talk:Dispenser">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Dispenser-2016-03-23T13:25:00.000Z-Pasleim-2016-03-22T15:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:25, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><s><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose Can be algorithmically determined from <a href="/wiki/Property:P1651" title="Property:P1651">YouTube video ID (P1651)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-25T02:13:00.000Z-Alphos-2016-01-22T12:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a></s> <dl><dd>Where should it be stored instead? How do you extended it to other properties? <a href="/wiki/User:Dispenser" title="User:Dispenser">Dispenser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dispenser" title="User talk:Dispenser">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Dispenser-2016-03-25T03:38:00.000Z-Srittau-2016-03-25T02:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:38, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Sorry, I was for some reason thinking of another property proposal. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-25T03:51:00.000Z-Dispenser-2016-03-25T03:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:51, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Seems useful to me, similar to <a href="/wiki/Property:P1630" title="Property:P1630">formatter URL (P1630)</a>. It should be called "formatter embed URL", though. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-25T03:51:00.000Z-Alphos-2016-01-22T12:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:51, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>If this is implemented, the data type should be string like <a href="/wiki/Property:P1630" title="Property:P1630">formatter URL (P1630)</a>, not URL. The value of the property is not designed to be a URL itself. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Nikki-2016-03-25T18:39:00.000Z-Alphos-2016-01-22T12:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Agreed. I changed it in the proposal. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-25T18:44:00.000Z-Nikki-2016-03-25T18:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:LydiaPintscher" title="User:LydiaPintscher"><bdi>LydiaPintscher</bdi></a>: Can we get your opinion? I'm still undecided if it should be a standalone property or a qualifier of formatter URL (like regexes on <a href="/wiki/Property:P345" title="Property:P345">IMDb</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Dispenser" title="User:Dispenser">Dispenser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dispenser" title="User talk:Dispenser">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Dispenser-2016-03-30T22:02:00.000Z-Srittau-2016-03-25T18:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>It seems to me that in spirit this is very similar to the distinction we already make for formatter URI and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1921" title="Property:P1921">formatter URI for RDF resource (P1921)</a>. So imho it is best done as a separate property. --<a href="/wiki/User:LydiaPintscher" title="User:LydiaPintscher">LydiaPintscher</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LydiaPintscher" title="User talk:LydiaPintscher">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-LydiaPintscher-2016-03-31T07:27:00.000Z-Dispenser-2016-03-30T22:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:27, 31 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Hungarian-style_transcription" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hungarian-style_transcription-2016-03-23T15:18:00.000Z">Hungarian-style transcription</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2719" title="Property:P2719">Hungarian-style transcription</a> (P2719) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2719" title="Property talk:P2719">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>transcription of a monolingual text value in a non-latin script according to the guidelines of the <a href="/wiki/Q7315098" title="Q7315098">Hungarian Research Centre for Linguistics (Q7315098)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q1035212" title="Q1035212">Helyesírás (Q1035212)</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Q53464" title="Q53464">Hungarian Wikipedia (Q53464)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>qualifier of monolingual text values</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q34981" title="Q34981">Isaac Asimov (Q34981)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q34981&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q34981&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1477" title="Property:P1477">birth name (P1477)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1477&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ "Исаак Юдович Озимов" [ru] ⟩</div> → "Iszaak Judovics Ozimov" <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q189540" title="Q189540">Seven Samurai (Q189540)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q189540&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q189540&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1476" title="Property:P1476">title (P1476)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1476&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ "七人の侍" [ja] ⟩</div> → "Sicsinin no szamurai"</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> A sub-property of <a href="/wiki/Property:P2440" title="Property:P2440">transliteration or transcription (P2440)</a>. The Hungarian Wikipedia (and all Hungarian publications that can afford a copy-editor and a proofreader) use Hungarian-style (popular) transcriptions instead of international or scientific ones. For larger languages the Hungarian Academy of Sciences have published detailed transcription tables (also included and refined in Helyesírás), while for others only guidelines, based on which the editors of Hungarian Wikipedia have created transcription tables for several further languages written in non-latin scripts, available at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/hu:WP:%C3%81T%C3%8DR" class="extiw" title="w:hu:WP:ÁTÍR">w:hu:WP:ÁTÍR</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Máté-2016-03-23T15:18:00.000Z-Hungarian-style_transcription" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-30T07:48:00.000Z-Hungarian-style_transcription" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:48, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="lowest-observed-adverse-effect_level_(LOAEL)" data-mw-thread-id="h-lowest-observed-adverse-effect_level_(LOAEL)-2016-01-29T14:52:00.000Z">lowest-observed-adverse-effect level (LOAEL)</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2718" title="Property:P2718">lowest-observed-adverse-effect level</a> (P2718) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2718" title="Property talk:P2718">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Lowest concentration or amount of a substance (dose), found by experiment or observation, which causes an adverse effect on morphology, functional capacity, growth, development, or life span of a target organism distinguishable from normal (control) organisms of the same species and strain under defined conditions of exposure.</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2446987" title="Q2446987">lowest-observed-adverse-effect-level</a> (Q2446987)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>chemicals</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>numbers with units in amount per kilo per day for a specific animal using a specific administration route during a defined duration (administration route, animal and duration should be qualifiers)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q407768" title="Q407768">chlorobenzene (Q407768)</a>: 54.5 mg/kg/day, <a href="/wiki/Property:P2352" title="Property:P2352">applies to taxon (P2352)</a>: dog, <a href="/wiki/Property:P636" title="Property:P636">route of administration (P636)</a>: oral exposure, <a href="/wiki/Property:P2047" title="Property:P2047">duration (P2047)</a>: 13 weeks</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>External references like <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov">toxnet</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Provide full set of toxicological data. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Snipre-2016-02-11T12:52:00.000Z-lowest-observed-adverse-effect_level_(LOAEL)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:52, 11 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Basic toxicological properties such as this should be added to Wikidata. It would bring more health-relevant information to chemical properties. It would also make easier to find and compare toxicity of different chemicals. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jtuom" title="User:Jtuom">Jtuom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jtuom" title="User talk:Jtuom">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jtuom-2016-01-29T14:52:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-02-11T12:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 29 January 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Interesting information. Will be useful to Open Food Facts, which is also linked to Wikidata--<a href="/wiki/User:Teolemon" title="User:Teolemon">Teolemon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Teolemon" title="User talk:Teolemon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Teolemon-2016-03-07T14:52:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-02-11T12:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jtuom" title="User:Jtuom"><bdi>Jtuom</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Teolemon" title="User:Teolemon"><bdi>Teolemon</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2718" title="Property:P2718">lowest-observed-adverse-effect level (P2718)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Almondega" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Almondega">Almondega</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Almondega" title="User talk:Almondega">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Almondega-2016-04-06T17:32:00.000Z-lowest-observed-adverse-effect_level_(LOAEL)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 6 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Swimrankings.net_swimmer_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Swimrankings.net_swimmer_ID-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z">Swimrankings.net swimmer ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2640" title="Property:P2640">Swimrankings.net swimmer ID</a> (P2640) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2640" title="Property talk:P2640">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for a swimmer, in the Swimrankings.net database</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Swimrankings" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Swimrankings">Template:Swimrankings</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>[1-9][0-9]*</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q201517" title="Q201517">Ryan Lochte (Q201517)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.swimrankings.net/index.php?page=athleteDetail&athleteId=4038679">4038679</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.swimrankings.net/">https://www.swimrankings.net/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>https://www.swimrankings.net/index.php?page=athleteDetail&athleteId=$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:EdgarsBot" title="User:EdgarsBot">My bot</a> can import values from Wikipedias</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Major database for swimmer biographies referencing. Used in several Wikipedias. <a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z-Swimrankings.net_swimmer_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:54, 9 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support It's a famous database used in a lot of Wikipedias. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tubezlob" title="User:Tubezlob">Tubezlob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tubezlob" title="User talk:Tubezlob">🙋</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Tubezlob-2016-03-18T16:18:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 18 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken">Løken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L%C3%B8ken" title="User talk:Løken">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Løken-2016-03-19T12:20:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-19T19:26:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done @<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007"><bdi>Edgars2007</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Tubezlob" title="User:Tubezlob"><bdi>Tubezlob</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken"><bdi>Løken</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro"><bdi>Thierry Caro</bdi></a>: --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-23T09:40:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:40, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Basketball-Reference.com_male_player_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Basketball-Reference.com_male_player_ID-2016-01-27T13:17:00.000Z">Basketball-Reference.com male player ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2685" title="Property:P2685">Basketball Reference NBA player ID</a> (P2685) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2685" title="Property talk:P2685">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier for a male basketball player on the Basketball Reference website</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q6712643" title="Q6712643">Template:Basketballstats (Q6712643)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q179051" title="Q179051">Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Q179051)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/abdulka01.html">a/abdulka01</a></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>[a-z]/[a-z]{4,7}\d{2}</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.basketball-reference.com/">http://www.basketball-reference.com/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/$1.html</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:EdgarsBot" title="User:EdgarsBot">My bot</a> can import values from Wikipedias</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> To be used as a source for player information. See also: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1825" title="Property:P1825">Baseball Reference major league player ID (P1825)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1826" title="Property:P1826">Baseball Reference minor & foreign league player ID (P1826)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1447" title="Property:P1447">Sports-Reference.com Olympic athlete ID (archived) (P1447)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-01-27T13:17:00.000Z-Basketball-Reference.com_male_player_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:17, 27 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User:Jon Harald Søby">Jon Harald Søby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User talk:Jon Harald Søby">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-2016-01-27T21:02:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-01-27T13:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 27 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Why not adding player (males) to the property-name for differentiating from other possible ID's from the same database like: player (female), teams, basketballmatches, referees, coaches and so on. See the database for other possibilities. Regards <a href="/wiki/User:Migrant" title="User:Migrant">Migrant</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Migrant" title="User talk:Migrant">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Migrant-2016-01-27T23:59:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-01-27T13:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 27 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Migrant" title="User:Migrant"><bdi>Migrant</bdi></a>: Sorry for late response. So... a) I was just following other sportsperson-related IDs b) Label isn't written in stone, we can always change it, if there are more related properties, we can adjust labels. c) OK, I agree that basketball-reference database has some other good properties (for coaches, WNBA players, referees), but some of them (basketball matches) are ... I hope you understand, what is my point. Even <a href="/wiki/Q2736" title="Q2736">association football (Q2736)</a> hasn't gone in such detail yet, but it most probably have tens of such databases :) Yes, I don't have any real objections to adjust label (feel free to do that yourself, if you think it's needed), but I think that should also be done for other sports IDs at least. --<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-01-29T15:37:00.000Z-Migrant-2016-01-27T23:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 29 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken">Løken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L%C3%B8ken" title="User talk:Løken">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Løken-2016-03-19T12:18:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-01-27T13:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:18, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007"><bdi>Edgars2007</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User:Jon Harald Søby"><bdi>Jon Harald Søby</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Migrant" title="User:Migrant"><bdi>Migrant</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken"><bdi>Løken</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done, without the "male" part. I don't see a reason not to allow female players, since they use the same formatter URL. I also added a female example. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-30T01:32:00.000Z-Basketball-Reference.com_male_player_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:32, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Opensecrets_Identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-Opensecrets_Identifier-2016-01-29T20:26:00.000Z">Opensecrets Identifier</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2686" title="Property:P2686">OpenSecrets people ID</a> (P2686) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2686" title="Property talk:P2686">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier used by Opensecrets for people and organizations involved in US elections</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>people, organizations</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>type of linked items (Q template or text), list or range of allowed values, string pattern...</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q203966" title="Q203966">Paul Ryan (Q203966)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00004357">N00004357</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://opensecrets.org">http://opensecrets.org</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Congressional members info can be imported from <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://github.com/unitedstates/congress-legislators">https://github.com/unitedstates/congress-legislators</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> The Opensecrets API is one of the most popular and authorative 3rd party information sources for US election data. <a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext">Thinkcontext</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thinkcontext" title="User talk:Thinkcontext">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thinkcontext-2016-01-29T20:26:00.000Z-Opensecrets_Identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 29 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. Let's support political transparency as much as possible. <a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928">Runner1928</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Runner1928" title="User talk:Runner1928">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Runner1928-2016-02-01T21:11:00.000Z-Thinkcontext-2016-01-29T20:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 1 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - <a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans">NavinoEvans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NavinoEvans" title="User talk:NavinoEvans">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-NavinoEvans-2016-03-10T15:36:00.000Z-Thinkcontext-2016-01-29T20:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext"><bdi>Thinkcontext</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928"><bdi>Runner1928</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans"><bdi>NavinoEvans</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-30T01:46:00.000Z-Opensecrets_Identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="NDL_JPNO" data-mw-thread-id="h-NDL_JPNO-2016-02-04T02:16:00.000Z">NDL JPNO</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2687" title="Property:P2687">JPNO</a> (P2687) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2687" title="Property talk:P2687">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Japanese <a href="/wiki/Q3873059" title="Q3873059">National Bibliography Number (Q3873059)</a> per the <a href="/wiki/Q477675" title="Q477675">National Diet Library (Q477675)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q3873059" title="Q3873059">National Bibliography Number</a> (Q3873059)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>none</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q3331189" title="Q3331189">version, edition or translation (Q3331189)</a> (see <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Books_task_force#Edition_item_properties" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:Books task force">Wikidata:Books task force#Edition item properties</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>\d{8}</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q15231929" title="Q15231929">The Master of Go (1973) (Q15231929)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://id.ndl.go.jp/jpno/22015095">22015095</a> 1975 講談社 (Kodansha) edition of 妖星伝 1 (鬼道の巻) (Yōseiden 1: Kidō no maki) by 半村良 (Ryō Hanmura) in Japanese → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://id.ndl.go.jp/jpno/75001537">75001537</a></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>8 digits</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://ndl.go.jp/">http://ndl.go.jp/</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> This is currently used by <a href="/wiki/Q14398398" title="Q14398398">Template:JPNO (Q14398398)</a> and is an eight digit string assigned by <a href="/wiki/Q477675" title="Q477675">National Diet Library (Q477675)</a> to catalog all editions of works published in Japan and/or in the Japanese language (as opposed to <a href="/wiki/Property:P1054" title="Property:P1054">NDL Bib ID (P1054)</a> which is an identifier for editions held in NDL and cataloged via OPAC). It is mentioned in English in these places (among others): <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://dl.ndl.go.jp/en/help.html">http://dl.ndl.go.jp/en/help.html</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://kindai.ndl.go.jp/en/help_kd.html">http://kindai.ndl.go.jp/en/help_kd.html</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://ndl.go.jp/en/aboutus/standards/opendataset.html">http://ndl.go.jp/en/aboutus/standards/opendataset.html</a></li></ul> It can also be used to index into Webcat Plus (<a href="/wiki/Q11234325" title="Q11234325">NACSIS-CAT (Q11234325)</a> a service of <a href="/wiki/Q4346622" title="Q4346622">National Institute of Informatics (Q4346622)</a>). For example for the same edition (JPNO 75001537) mentioned in the example: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://webcatplus.nii.ac.jp/webcatplus/details/book/nbn/75001537.html">http://webcatplus.nii.ac.jp/webcatplus/details/book/nbn/75001537.html</a> (where it is referred to as "nbn/75001537" ) <a href="/wiki/User:Uzume" title="User:Uzume">Uzume</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uzume" title="User talk:Uzume">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Uzume-2016-02-04T02:16:00.000Z-NDL_JPNO" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:16, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T14:34:00.000Z-Uzume-2016-02-04T02:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Uzume" title="User:Uzume"><bdi>Uzume</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-30T02:43:00.000Z-NDL_JPNO" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:43, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Box_Office_Mojo_person_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Box_Office_Mojo_person_ID-2016-02-08T16:32:00.000Z">Box Office Mojo person ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2688" title="Property:P2688">Box Office Mojo person ID (archived)</a> (P2688) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2688" title="Property talk:P2688">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier of a person in the Box Office Mojo database</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q223142" title="Q223142">Box Office Mojo</a> (Q223142)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q21481323" title="Q21481323">Template:Mojo name (Q21481323)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>[a-z0-9]+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q175535" title="Q175535">Matt Damon (Q175535)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=mattdamon.htm">mattdamon</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=$1.htm</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> See also <a href="/wiki/Property:P1237" title="Property:P1237">Box Office Mojo film ID (former scheme) (P1237)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P2530" title="Property:P2530">Box Office Mojo franchise ID (former scheme) (P2530)</a>, , <a href="/wiki/Property:P2531" title="Property:P2531">Box Office Mojo studio ID (archived) (P2531)</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Edoardo88&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Edoardo88 (page does not exist)">Edoardo88</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edoardo88" title="User talk:Edoardo88">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edoardo88-2016-02-08T16:32:00.000Z-Box_Office_Mojo_person_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - <a href="/wiki/User:Mbch331" title="User:Mbch331">Mbch331</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mbch331" title="User talk:Mbch331">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Mbch331-2016-02-08T18:01:00.000Z-Box_Office_Mojo_person_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support, probably this would've been my next :)… – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Máté-2016-02-08T18:36:00.000Z-Mbch331-2016-02-08T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-02-08T22:43:00.000Z-Mbch331-2016-02-08T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose - terrible data material. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcus_Cyron" title="User:Marcus Cyron">Marcus Cyron</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcus_Cyron" title="User talk:Marcus Cyron">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Marcus_Cyron-2016-02-18T11:17:00.000Z-Mbch331-2016-02-08T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:17, 18 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Marcus_Cyron" title="User:Marcus Cyron"><bdi>Marcus Cyron</bdi></a>: I don't understand the reason you've given, could you explain what you mean? We have other properties for the same site and multiple Wikipedias use templates to link to this site, so it seems like an ideal candidate for storing in Wikidata to me. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Nikki-2016-02-19T17:27:00.000Z-Marcus_Cyron-2016-02-18T11:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 19 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>As long the Database provides that bad data material as it actually is, we should not link anything from there. It's totelly selective in every direction. At the end, the data for people are useless. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcus_Cyron" title="User:Marcus Cyron">Marcus Cyron</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcus_Cyron" title="User talk:Marcus Cyron">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Marcus_Cyron-2016-02-20T10:23:00.000Z-Nikki-2016-02-19T17:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:23, 20 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Could you elaborate further? Maybe give us something specific? – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Máté-2016-02-22T17:41:00.000Z-Marcus_Cyron-2016-02-20T10:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T14:32:00.000Z-Mbch331-2016-02-08T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Edoardo88&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Edoardo88 (page does not exist)"><bdi>Edoardo88</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Mbch331" title="User:Mbch331"><bdi>Mbch331</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté"><bdi>Máté</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007"><bdi>Edgars2007</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done, mostly support, only dissent was not further substantiated. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-30T19:01:00.000Z-Box_Office_Mojo_person_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BARTOC_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-BARTOC_ID-2016-02-11T10:30:00.000Z">BARTOC ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2689" title="Property:P2689">BARTOC ID</a> (P2689) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2689" title="Property talk:P2689">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier in BARTOC Terminology Registry</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q22279816" title="Q22279816">Basic Register of Thesauri, Ontologies & Classifications</a> (Q22279816)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q6423319" title="Q6423319">knowledge organization system (Q6423319)</a> and subclasses such as <a href="/wiki/Q5962346" title="Q5962346">classification scheme (Q5962346)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>[1-9][0-9]*</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q48460" title="Q48460">Dewey Decimal Classification (Q48460)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://bartoc.org/en/node/241">241</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://bartoc.org/">http://bartoc.org/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://bartoc.org/en/node/$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>there are backlinks to Wikidata in BARTOC for reuse</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> The BARTOC Terminology Registry contains almost 1.800 thesauri, classification, ontologies etc. Last month 163 of them had been found in Wikidata (see <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://github.com/gbv/bartoc2wikidata/blob/master/bartoc2wikidata.csv">https://github.com/gbv/bartoc2wikidata/blob/master/bartoc2wikidata.csv</a>). The scope of BARTOC is very broad, so all instances of <a href="/wiki/Q22279816" title="Q22279816">Basic Register of Thesauri, Ontologies & Classifications (Q22279816)</a> can be described in BARTOC as well. -- <a href="/wiki/User:JakobVoss" title="User:JakobVoss">JakobVoss</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JakobVoss" title="User talk:JakobVoss">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-JakobVoss-2016-02-11T10:30:00.000Z-BARTOC_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:30, 11 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T14:33:00.000Z-JakobVoss-2016-02-11T10:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:JakobVoss" title="User:JakobVoss"><bdi>JakobVoss</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done, no objections. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-30T19:10:00.000Z-BARTOC_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="FIG_gymnast_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-FIG_gymnast_identifier-2016-03-05T10:17:00.000Z">FIG gymnast identifier</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2696" title="Property:P2696">FIG gymnast licence number</a> (P2696) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2696" title="Property talk:P2696">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Gymnast's identifier at the database of International Federation of Gymnastics</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q379079" title="Q379079">International Gymnastics Federation</a> (Q379079)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:FIG" class="extiw" title="en:Template:FIG">Template:FIG</a> <code class="nowrap" style="">|id=</code></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>[1-9][0-9]*</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q238663" title="Q238663">Aly Raisman (Q238663)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://database.fig-gymnastics.com/public/gymnasts/biography/13822/true?backUrl=">13822</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://database.fig-gymnastics.com/">https://database.fig-gymnastics.com/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>https://database.fig-gymnastics.com/public/gymnasts/biography/$1/true?backUrl=</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">My bot</a> can import values from Wikipedias</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Q379079" title="Q379079">International Gymnastics Federation (Q379079)</a> is the governing body for the Olympic sport of <a href="/wiki/Q43450" title="Q43450">gymnastics (Q43450)</a>. Used in many Wikipedias, which uses information from website as primary source, as it contains a lot of useful information. <a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-03-05T10:17:00.000Z-FIG_gymnast_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:17, 5 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken">Løken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L%C3%B8ken" title="User talk:Løken">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Løken-2016-03-19T12:19:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-05T10:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T14:31:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-05T10:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:31, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007"><bdi>Edgars2007</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken"><bdi>Løken</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-04-03T12:37:00.000Z-FIG_gymnast_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 3 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="ISU_figure_skater_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-ISU_figure_skater_identifier-2016-03-05T10:17:00.000Z">ISU figure skater identifier</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2694" title="Property:P2694">ISU figure skater ID</a> (P2694) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2694" title="Property talk:P2694">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for a figure skater, in the International Skating Union database</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q543115" title="Q543115">International Skating Union</a> (Q543115)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:ISU_name" class="extiw" title="en:Template:ISU name">Template:ISU name</a> <code class="nowrap" style="">|id=</code></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>[0-9]*</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q316861" title="Q316861">Alexei Yagudin (Q316861)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00000254.htm">00000254</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.isuresults.com/bios/">http://www.isuresults.com/bios/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs$1.htm</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">My bot</a> can import values from Wikipedias</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Q543115" title="Q543115">International Skating Union (Q543115)</a> is the governing body for the Olympic sport of <a href="/wiki/Q38108" title="Q38108">figure skating (Q38108)</a>. Used in many Wikipedias, which uses information from website as primary source, as it contains a lot of useful information. <a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-03-05T10:17:00.000Z-ISU_figure_skater_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:17, 5 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken">Løken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L%C3%B8ken" title="User talk:Løken">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Løken-2016-03-19T12:19:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-05T10:17:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-22T22:05:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-05T10:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Correcting the source-parameter in the proposal as it was a copy-paste typo. <a href="/wiki/User:Migrant" title="User:Migrant">Migrant</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Migrant" title="User talk:Migrant">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Migrant-2016-03-30T23:55:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-05T10:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:55, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Allthough it doesn't contain figureskaters (in single or in pairs) or icedancers from old time. <a href="/wiki/User:Migrant" title="User:Migrant">Migrant</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Migrant" title="User talk:Migrant">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Migrant-2016-03-30T23:55:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-05T10:17:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:55, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done @<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007"><bdi>Edgars2007</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken"><bdi>Løken</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Migrant" title="User:Migrant"><bdi>Migrant</bdi></a>: should be ready to use. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-04-01T19:30:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-05T10:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 1 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="ESPNcricinfo_player_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-ESPNcricinfo_player_ID-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z">ESPNcricinfo player ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2697" title="Property:P2697">ESPNcricinfo.com player ID</a> (P2697) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2697" title="Property talk:P2697">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>ID for a cricketer in ESPNcricinfo's database</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2118845" title="Q2118845">ESPNcricinfo</a> (Q2118845)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><code class="nowrap" style="">|id=</code> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cricinfo" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Cricinfo">Template:Cricinfo</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Q5</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>[0-9]+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q4665270" class="mw-redirect" title="Q4665270">Abdul Aziz (Q4665270)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/39343.html">39343</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.espncricinfo.com/">http://www.espncricinfo.com/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/$1.html</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:EdgarsBot" title="User:EdgarsBot">My bot</a> can import values from Wikipedias</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Major database for cricket players. Used widely in several Wikipedias. <a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z-ESPNcricinfo_player_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:54, 9 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. Cricinfo is quite possibly the most comprehensive database of cricketers. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2016-03-09T13:07:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:07, 9 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T14:47:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007"><bdi>Edgars2007</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-04-03T12:48:00.000Z-ESPNcricinfo_player_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:48, 3 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="CricketArchive_player_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-CricketArchive_player_ID-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z">CricketArchive player ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2698" title="Property:P2698">CricketArchive player ID</a> (P2698) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2698" title="Property talk:P2698">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for a person in the CricketArchive.com database</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2117742" title="Q2117742">CricketArchive</a> (Q2117742)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cricketarchive" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Cricketarchive">Template:Cricketarchive</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Q5</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q4665270" class="mw-redirect" title="Q4665270">Abdul Aziz (Q4665270)</a> → 41464</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.cricketarchive.com/">http://www.cricketarchive.com/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:EdgarsBot" title="User:EdgarsBot">My bot</a> can import values from Wikipedias</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Major, compherensive database for cricket players. Used widely in several Wikipedias. <a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z-CricketArchive_player_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:54, 9 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> English Wikipedia uses template with such input: <code class="nowrap" style="">|1=41464</code>, and just gets first two digits for URL, but I think, we can do this in other way like I proposed. --<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z-CricketArchive_player_ID-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:54, 9 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>OK, I wasn't pleased with this "solution" so I changed it to normal ID. I hope it's OK, that we won't have formatter URL for now, but simply string. Of course, it the property gets approved --<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-03-11T10:28:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:28, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken">Løken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L%C3%B8ken" title="User talk:Løken">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Løken-2016-03-19T12:19:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support, but this should still be datatype=external-id. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T14:46:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>OK, changed. --<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-03-24T14:31:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T14:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:31, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Neutral I'm not very happy with this approach, unless there exists some kind of notation of how this identifier is supposed to be used which can be used programmatically, preferrably from Lua. Maybe there should be some kind of pseudocode allowed in the formatter URL's? If not, the ID should be something the formatter URL can use. The way it's noted now, you can't use it unless you have "the key" which isn't present here. <a href="/wiki/User:Stigmj" title="User:Stigmj">Stigmj</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stigmj" title="User talk:Stigmj">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Stigmj-2016-04-01T22:52:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-09T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 1 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Most probably I won't answer your question, <a href="/wiki/User:Stigmj" title="User:Stigmj">Stigmj</a>, but I'll give a try. So if you provide local formatter URL at Wikipedia, then you can use this property in such URL (this is in wikitext, which of course will be very easy convertable to Lua): <code>http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/{{#expr:trunc({{{id}}}/1000)}}/{{{id}}}/{{{id}}}.html</code>. Having correct formatter URL at Wikidata, so everything is pretty, isn't possible at current stage. The ID at Wikidata itself will be clickable, I assume, as we have a gadget for that. Why not having "normal" ID for working URL generation? Well, one of most important reasons is to not have possible problems in future, if website admins decide to change URL format. And "41/41464/41464" isn't ID, "41464" is :) IMHO, not having working URL for an ID is not good enough reason not to store values themselves at Wikidata. At least, not in this case. --<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-04-02T11:58:00.000Z-Stigmj-2016-04-01T22:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:58, 2 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a>: Is it possible to use the ID on the site somehow without knowing the exact "encoding" in the URL? If so, I'm all for it. What I don't like is a collection of purely internal ID's which can't be used or referenced in any way without knowing how to use them. In this exact case, it's possible to "encode" the URL correctly on wikipedia if you know how it's constructed, but this information is *not* present in the wikidata-entry and would possibly prevent the usage from other parties not privy to this information. As a minimum, the property should be marked as such. <a href="/wiki/User:Stigmj" title="User:Stigmj">Stigmj</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stigmj" title="User talk:Stigmj">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Stigmj-2016-04-02T17:44:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-04-02T11:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 2 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a>: And to add to this, Freebase, Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes uses "multipart" values which has direct mapping to URL's in their systems. I'm pretty sure they have some kind of internal ID as well, which we can't see or know about. I can't see the rationale for having this ID be any different. Yes, enwiki may have done it differently for this exact ID, but that's not a good enough reason for me. Local formatter URL's are not "user friendly" and I would like to avoid them when possible. The only reason I can see is if the ID is actually usable for any other purpose than the lookup via a direct URL. <a href="/wiki/User:Stigmj" title="User:Stigmj">Stigmj</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stigmj" title="User talk:Stigmj">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Stigmj-2016-04-02T23:02:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-04-02T11:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 2 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007"><bdi>Edgars2007</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken"><bdi>Løken</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done. It is certainly useful to record an ID, even if our simple URL formatter approach can not create a link from that. But links can be derived programatically, for example in templates. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-04-03T13:09:00.000Z-CricketArchive_player_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:09, 3 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007"><bdi>Edgars2007</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau"><bdi>Srittau</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken"><bdi>Løken</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: I'm am questioning what the real ID is in this case. Why is the ID "41464" in this case and not "41/41464/41464"? Is there some corroborating information to this effect other than the simple programmatically possibility of constructing the URL knowing only the "last part" of the "long ID"? As I have asked before, is there any way of finding or using this ID in the website other than constructing the URL needed to access the information? Edgars2007 alleges the URL could possibly be changed in the future and an ID with "41/41464/41464" may not be valid anymore. This is true, but then the ID could also change altogether unless we have some kind of assurance of the stability of the said structure. All signs points to the "41464"-part being the "ID" as noted, but unless this can be corroborated and possible to use in some way other than constructing the URL's, I can't see the problem with using a "41/41464/41464"-notation as the ID. We already have precedence for this in many other identifiers. <a href="/wiki/User:Stigmj" title="User:Stigmj">Stigmj</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stigmj" title="User talk:Stigmj">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Stigmj-2016-04-03T14:18:00.000Z-Srittau-2016-04-03T13:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:18, 3 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Stigmj" title="User:Stigmj"><bdi>Stigmj</bdi></a>: Please continue this discussion of the <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2698" title="Property talk:P2698">property talk page</a>.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="UIPM_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-UIPM_ID-2016-03-25T09:16:00.000Z">UIPM ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2726" title="Property:P2726">UIPM athlete ID</a> (P2726) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2726" title="Property talk:P2726">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for a athlete, in the Union Internationale de Pentathlon Moderne database</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1347281" title="Q1347281">Union Internationale de Pentathlon Moderne</a> (Q1347281)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:SchedaUIPM" class="extiw" title="it:Template:SchedaUIPM">it:Template:SchedaUIPM</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>[1-9][0-9]+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q260438" title="Q260438">Laura Asadauskaitė (Q260438)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.pentathlon.org/athletes/athlete-bio/?id=4232">4232</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.pentathlon.org/">http://www.pentathlon.org/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.pentathlon.org/athletes/athlete-bio/?id=$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:EdgarsBot" title="User:EdgarsBot">My bot</a> can import values from Wikipedias</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Q1347281" title="Q1347281">Union Internationale de Pentathlon Moderne (Q1347281)</a> is the governing body for the Olympic sport of <a href="/wiki/Q32485" title="Q32485">modern pentathlon (Q32485)</a>. Database contains detailed statistical information. ID will be used in <a href="/wiki/Q22674492" title="Q22674492">Template:Sports links (Q22674492)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-03-25T09:16:00.000Z-UIPM_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-25T13:02:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-25T09:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:02, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-25T13:35:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-25T09:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007"><bdi>Edgars2007</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro"><bdi>Thierry Caro</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-04-06T21:54:00.000Z-UIPM_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 6 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="United_World_Wrestling_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-United_World_Wrestling_ID-2016-03-25T09:16:00.000Z">United World Wrestling ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2727" title="Property:P2727">International Wrestling Database ID</a> (P2727) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2727" title="Property talk:P2727">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for an athlete, in the United World Wrestling database</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q688489" title="Q688489">United World Wrestling</a> (Q688489)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:FILA" class="extiw" title="en:Template:FILA">en:Template:FILA</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>[A-Z1-9][A-Z0-9]+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q465714" title="Q465714">Anastasija Grigorjeva (Q465714)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.iat.uni-leipzig.de/datenbanken/dbfoeldeak/daten.php?spid=5283C4DFAF6E45DF8879B7934AB9E111">5283C4DFAF6E45DF8879B7934AB9E111</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.iat.uni-leipzig.de/">https://www.iat.uni-leipzig.de/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>https://www.iat.uni-leipzig.de/datenbanken/dbfoeldeak/daten.php?spid=$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:EdgarsBot" title="User:EdgarsBot">My bot</a> can import values from Wikipedias</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Q688489" title="Q688489">United World Wrestling (Q688489)</a> is the governing body for the Olympic sport of <a href="/wiki/Q42486" title="Q42486">wrestling (Q42486)</a>. Database contains detailed statistical information. ID will be used in <a href="/wiki/Q22674492" title="Q22674492">Template:Sports links (Q22674492)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-03-25T09:16:00.000Z-United_World_Wrestling_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-25T13:36:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-25T09:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken">Løken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L%C3%B8ken" title="User talk:Løken">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Løken-2016-03-25T17:42:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-25T09:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-27T09:32:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-25T09:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:32, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007"><bdi>Edgars2007</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken"><bdi>Løken</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro"><bdi>Thierry Caro</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-04-06T22:02:00.000Z-United_World_Wrestling_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 6 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Badminton_World_Federation_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Badminton_World_Federation_ID-2016-03-28T10:09:00.000Z">Badminton World Federation ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2729" title="Property:P2729">BWF.TournamentSoftware.com player ID</a> (P2729) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2729" title="Property talk:P2729">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for a badminton player, in the Badminton World Federation database</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q126638" title="Q126638">Badminton World Federation</a> (Q126638)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:BWF" class="extiw" title="de:Vorlage:BWF">de:Vorlage:BWF</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>[A-Z0-9-]+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q715563" title="Q715563">Chen Long (Q715563)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://bwfcontent.tournamentsoftware.com/profile/default.aspx?id=8F42FC23-89C1-40CF-8F20-8519DE2BE4EF">8F42FC23-89C1-40CF-8F20-8519DE2BE4EF</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://bwfcontent.tournamentsoftware.com">bwfcontent.tournamentsoftware.com</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://bwfcontent.tournamentsoftware.com/profile/default.aspx?id=$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:EdgarsBot" title="User:EdgarsBot">My bot</a> can import values from Wikipedias</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Q126638" title="Q126638">Badminton World Federation (Q126638)</a> is the governing body for the Olympic sport of <a href="/wiki/Q7291" title="Q7291">badminton (Q7291)</a>. Database contains detailed statistical information, that is useful for players referencing. ID will be used in <a href="/wiki/Q22674492" title="Q22674492">Template:Sports links (Q22674492)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-03-28T10:09:00.000Z-Badminton_World_Federation_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:09, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken">Løken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L%C3%B8ken" title="User talk:Løken">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Løken-2016-03-28T19:49:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-28T10:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-30T11:06:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-28T10:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:06, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-04-04T17:43:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-28T10:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 4 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007"><bdi>Edgars2007</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken"><bdi>Løken</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro"><bdi>Thierry Caro</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-04-06T22:26:00.000Z-Badminton_World_Federation_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 6 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="ISSF_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-ISSF_ID-2016-03-28T10:09:00.000Z">ISSF ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2730" title="Property:P2730">ISSF athlete ID</a> (P2730) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2730" title="Property talk:P2730">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for an athlete, in the International Shooting Sport Federation database</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q708793" title="Q708793">International Shooting Sport Federation</a> (Q708793)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:ISSF_name" class="extiw" title="en:Template:ISSF name">en:Template:ISSF name</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>[A-Z0-9]+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q6290155" title="Q6290155">Joshua Richmond (Q6290155)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.issf-sports.org/athletes/athlete.ashx?personissfid=SHUSAM1912198501">SHUSAM1912198501</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.issf-sports.org">http://www.issf-sports.org</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://bwfcontent.tournamentsoftware.com/profile/default.aspx?id=$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:EdgarsBot" title="User:EdgarsBot">My bot</a> can import values from Wikipedias</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Q708793" title="Q708793">International Shooting Sport Federation (Q708793)</a> is the governing body for the Olympic sport of <a href="/wiki/Q206989" title="Q206989">shooting sport (Q206989)</a>. Database contains detailed statistical information, that is useful for athletes referencing. ID will be used in <a href="/wiki/Q22674492" title="Q22674492">Template:Sports links (Q22674492)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Edgars2007-2016-03-28T10:09:00.000Z-ISSF_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:09, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken">Løken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L%C3%B8ken" title="User talk:Løken">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Løken-2016-03-28T19:50:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-28T10:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-30T11:05:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-28T10:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:05, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-04-04T17:41:00.000Z-Edgars2007-2016-03-28T10:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 4 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007"><bdi>Edgars2007</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken"><bdi>Løken</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro"><bdi>Thierry Caro</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-04-06T22:35:00.000Z-ISSF_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 6 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept_proposals" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept_proposals-2016-02-24T18:49:00.000Z">New York Times Semantic Concept proposals</h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Person" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Person-New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept_proposals-2016-02-24T18:49:00.000Z">New York Times Semantic Concept: Person</h4></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P2690&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P2690 (page does not exist)">no label</a> (P2690) (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P2690&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property talk:P2690 (page does not exist)">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The New York Times associates Semantic Concepts with articles, these concepts are exposed both through metadata embedded in the HTML of articles as well as through its <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api">Semantic API</a>. This property identifies people, others identify places, organizations and descriptors.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>none</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>people</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q76" title="Q76">Barack Obama (Q76)</a> → "Obama, Barack"</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api">http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://api.nytimes.com/svc/semantic/v2/concept/name/nytd_per/$1?api-key=your-API-key</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api">Semantic API</a> contains incomplete links to Wikipedia, Freebase and DBPedia, these could be imported on an ongoing basis. Additional unmaintained data is available from data.nytimes.com which could be done as a one time load.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Being able to associate New York Times articles with semantic concepts opens up an avenue for many third party applications to interact with their data. The Times has already associated a subset of their controlled vocabulary with Wikipedia items, so part of the work is already done. This submission is further to discussion with <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928">Runner1928</a> from a previous <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Authority_control#New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept">submission </a> <a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext">Thinkcontext</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thinkcontext" title="User talk:Thinkcontext">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thinkcontext-2016-02-24T18:49:00.000Z-New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Person" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Location" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Location-New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept_proposals-2016-02-24T18:49:00.000Z">New York Times Semantic Concept: Location</h4></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P2692&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P2692 (page does not exist)">no label</a> (P2692) (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P2692&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property talk:P2692 (page does not exist)">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The New York Times associates Semantic Concepts with articles, these concepts are exposed both through metadata embedded in the HTML of articles as well as through its <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api">Semantic API</a>. This property identifies locations, others identify people, organizations and descriptors.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>none</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>locations</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q81398" title="Q81398">Acapulco (Q81398)</a> → "Acapulco (Mexico)"</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api">http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://api.nytimes.com/svc/semantic/v2/concept/name/nytd_geo/$1?api-key=your-API-key</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api">Semantic API</a> contains incomplete links to Wikipedia, Freebase and DBPedia, these could be imported on an ongoing basis. Additional unmaintained data is available from data.nytimes.com which could be done as a one time load.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Being able to associate New York Times articles with semantic concepts opens up an avenue for many third party applications to interact with their data. The Times has already associated a subset of their controlled vocabulary with Wikipedia items, so part of the work is already done. This submission is further to discussion with <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928">Runner1928</a> from a previous <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Authority_control#New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept">submission </a> <a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext">Thinkcontext</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thinkcontext" title="User talk:Thinkcontext">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thinkcontext-2016-02-24T18:49:00.000Z-New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Location" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Organization" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Organization-New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept_proposals-2016-02-24T18:49:00.000Z">New York Times Semantic Concept: Organization</h4></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P2691&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P2691 (page does not exist)">no label</a> (P2691) (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P2691&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property talk:P2691 (page does not exist)">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The New York Times associates Semantic Concepts with articles, these concepts are exposed both through metadata embedded in the HTML of articles as well as through its <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api">Semantic API</a>. This property identifies organizations, others identify places, people and descriptors.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>none</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Organization</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q159433" title="Q159433">3M (Q159433)</a> → "3M Company"</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api">http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://api.nytimes.com/svc/semantic/v2/concept/name/nytd_org/$1?api-key=your-API-key</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api">Semantic API</a> contains incomplete links to Wikipedia, Freebase and DBPedia, these could be imported on an ongoing basis. Additional unmaintained data is available from data.nytimes.com which could be done as a one time load.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Being able to associate New York Times articles with semantic concepts opens up an avenue for many third party applications to interact with their data. The Times has already associated a subset of their controlled vocabulary with Wikipedia items, so part of the work is already done. This submission is further to discussion with <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928">Runner1928</a> from a previous <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Authority_control#New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept">submission </a> <a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext">Thinkcontext</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thinkcontext" title="User talk:Thinkcontext">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thinkcontext-2016-02-24T18:49:00.000Z-New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Organization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Descriptor" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Descriptor-New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept_proposals-2016-02-24T18:49:00.000Z">New York Times Semantic Concept: Descriptor</h4></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P2693&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P2693 (page does not exist)">no label</a> (P2693) (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P2693&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property talk:P2693 (page does not exist)">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The New York Times associates Semantic Concepts with articles, these concepts are exposed both through metadata embedded in the HTML of articles as well as through its <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api">Semantic API</a>. This property identifies descriptors, others identify places, organizations and people.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>none</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>descriptor</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q332278" title="Q332278">absenteeism (Q332278)</a> → "Absenteeism"</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api">http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://api.nytimes.com/svc/semantic/v2/concept/name/nytd_des/$1?api-key=your-API-key</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api">Semantic API</a> contains incomplete links to Wikipedia, Freebase and DBPedia, these could be imported on an ongoing basis. Additional unmaintained data is available from data.nytimes.com which could be done as a one time load.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Being able to associate New York Times articles with semantic concepts opens up an avenue for many third party applications to interact with their data. The Times has already associated a subset of their controlled vocabulary with Wikipedia items, so part of the work is already done. This submission is further to discussion with <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928">Runner1928</a> from a previous <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Authority_control#New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept">submission </a> <a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext">Thinkcontext</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thinkcontext" title="User talk:Thinkcontext">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thinkcontext-2016-02-24T18:49:00.000Z-New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Descriptor" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support all three New York Times semantic concept proposals. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2016-02-24T19:22:00.000Z-Thinkcontext-2016-02-24T18:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:22, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Strong support for all four NYT proposals. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://data.nytimes.com/">http://data.nytimes.com/</a> has all data available in one file per semantic concept type. Those files have multiple ways to auto-match records, including geonames, dbpedia, freebase, and more. I'd love to hear more from @<a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext"><bdi>Thinkcontext</bdi></a>: about ways to automatically populate this information. <a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928">Runner1928</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Runner1928" title="User talk:Runner1928">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Runner1928-2016-02-25T16:16:00.000Z-Thinkcontext-2016-02-24T18:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 25 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928"><bdi>Runner1928</bdi></a>: topics.nytimes.com has what I believe is a complete listing of the topics which correspond to the concepts. It should be a simple matter to scrape the topic text and do a lookup against the API to get Wikipedia, Freebase or DBPedia reference. data.nytimes.com contains RDF dumps which have all the information so it would be best to do a mass import of that first and then setup a bot to monitor the topic listing.</li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment These "formatter URL" values will NOT work with wikidata - it requires a developer API key - the "your-API-key" piece. When you follow the links as given it returns an error page ("Inactive developer"). Unless we can find a URL link for these concepts that does not have that dependency on personal API keys, I am uncomfortable with adding these identifiers to wikidata. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-02-29T20:27:00.000Z-Thinkcontext-2016-02-24T18:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li>@<a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith"><bdi>ArthurPSmith</bdi></a>: I see, thanks for the comment. As you can tell I've been having difficulty figuring out how and where this information would best fit into wikidata. I think there's considerable value to having it in wikidata, do you have any suggestion as to where it would best fit? As a generic property? <a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext">Thinkcontext</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thinkcontext" title="User talk:Thinkcontext">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thinkcontext-2016-03-01T14:56:00.000Z-Thinkcontext-2016-02-24T18:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext"><bdi>Thinkcontext</bdi></a>: I agree it would be nice to include this data somehow in wikidata. But I don't think you have the right data format here. Looking at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://data.nytimes.com/home/about.html">their "about" page</a> the ID's should be numbers, not the words you list, and the formatter should be simply <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://data.nytimes.com/$1">http://data.nytimes.com/$1</a> - as that about page says, "For instance our subject heading for "Park Slope, Brooklyn" is associated with the URI <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://data.nytimes.com/60694995023816375851">http://data.nytimes.com/60694995023816375851</a>. " So I think the ONLY thing wikidata should have is those numbers (represented as external identifiers) linked to the associated wikidata items via something like a "NY Times Semantic Concept ID". We definitely don't want to have some dependence on a developer API - they provide open linked data, we should use that. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-01T15:04:00.000Z-Thinkcontext-2016-03-01T14:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li>Hmm, I just noticed this issue was brought up previously (earlier proposal still on this page). However, I think your argument is wrong. If NY Times is not providing this data without restricting it (via developer API) then it should not be in wikidata. We should take what they give us as open, even if it hasn't been kept up to date. There are English text labels associated with each concept at data.nytimes.com (the skos:prefLabel value) and there is also a search API link provided, so I don't think your concerns about being unable to look things up from the number are valid. And I think the number is the only reasonable thing we can use here. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-01T15:19:00.000Z-Thinkcontext-2016-03-01T14:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:19, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith"><bdi>ArthurPSmith</bdi></a>: The text labels are not only exposed by the API. In fact the reason I feel the text labels have great value for linked data applications is that they are exposed within the HTML of articles as metadata. Example from todays paper, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/us/politics/super-tuesday.html">What to Watch For on Super Tuesday</a> has <meta name="per" content="Clinton, Hillary Rodham" /> (as well as a variety of other tags for other people and subjects) which NYT lets us know corresponds to <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton">http://dbpedia.org/resource/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton</a>. Its extremely rare for a major news organization to connect their own internal processes to the linked data cloud in this way, we would potentially be giving up a great deal of value in not recording this information. As for the numerical ids, I personally don't see the value of them and feel having obsolete ids is confusing clutter. <a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext">Thinkcontext</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thinkcontext" title="User talk:Thinkcontext">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thinkcontext-2016-03-01T16:01:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-01T15:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext"><bdi>Thinkcontext</bdi></a>: Can you give a reference for why you think the numerical ids are obsolete? There is no sign of it on the NY Times web pages, including the one you linked to - the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic_api">Semantic API page</a> explicitly says: "As part of its work on linked data New York Times R&D created <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://data.nytimes.com">http://data.nytimes.com</a>, a site where we publish the vocabulary used to index concepts. The site assigns a unique URI to each concept, and in the form of <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://data.nytimes.com/concept_uri">http://data.nytimes.com/concept_uri</a>. This "concept_uri" is a mandatory parameter for accessing the Semantic API with a linked data reference." and that "concept_ui" is the numerical id we are talking about here. The REASON it is important to have a numerical id instead of a name is - suppose you have an article tagged with "Clinton, Hillary Rodham" - and then she gets divorced and changes her name back to "Rodham, Hillary". Suddenly all your old semantic concept id's are invalid. But the numerical id refers to the same person and is still good. It doesn't look to me like the NY Times is providing a strong guarantee regarding the permanence of the concept labels, and the concept_uri values are being promoted. Unless you can provide some more evidence on why you think the data.nytimes.com stuff is really abandoned it seems to me the numerical ids are the ones we need here. Or perhaps you can give a more complete use case describing an instance where the labels would be helpful to have in wikidata and a numerical id would not? I'm not seeing the problem right now. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-01T16:42:00.000Z-Thinkcontext-2016-03-01T16:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith"><bdi>ArthurPSmith</bdi></a>: I feel that the numerical id is obsolete because data.nytimes.com has not been updated for around 5 years.<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20110814080246/http://data.nytimes.com/">This snapshot from archive.org in 2011</a> has the exact same number of entities listed as today, so no new items have entered that data set. I have examined the SKOS data dumps and verified that they contain the same number. The individual record for Hillary Clinton on that site lists a last used time in 2010. I'd definitely prefer to have a permanent id but if they have abandoned it I don't think it would be good for wikidata to use it, especially because they are over 20,000 items short now. Your point about changing names is a good one, I think these would be better as generic properties rather than authority control ids, I guess I'll resubmit. <a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext">Thinkcontext</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thinkcontext" title="User talk:Thinkcontext">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thinkcontext-2016-03-01T19:37:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-01T16:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>well the snapshot you point to says exactly the same thing as the current page about the total too, so apparently the 20,000 missing hasn't changed since 2011: "The New York Times uses approximately 30,000 tags to power our Times Topics Pages. It is our intention to publish all of these tags as linked open data." Is there any third-party discussion on what the NY Times is doing on this, or a more recent quote from them? Also, how would you source the full dataset if it's not available from data.nytimes.com? <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-01T21:10:00.000Z-Thinkcontext-2016-03-01T19:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith"><bdi>ArthurPSmith</bdi></a>: topics.nytimes.com contains most of the additional labels, scraping them is a simple matter. I'm not aware of any more recent statement from them about their open data plans. <a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext">Thinkcontext</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thinkcontext" title="User talk:Thinkcontext">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thinkcontext-2016-03-02T22:25:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-01T21:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext"><bdi>Thinkcontext</bdi></a>: Well, I'm not sure this is going anywhere between just the two of us; this will be my last comment here on this, I just don't feel I can support this proposal at this time though in principle I would like to see NY Times semantic concepts linked. Looking at topics.nytimes.com the list seems at least as out of date as whatever is on data.nytimes.com. Not a single one of the 2016 presidential contenders is listed on the "People" topics page, for example, not even Trump or Clinton. Maybe the best way forward would be to email NY Times and try to convince them to use wikidata ID's as semantic concepts, if they are having trouble maintaining their own database. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-03T14:20:00.000Z-Thinkcontext-2016-03-02T22:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>I'm not sure why this has been posted as a new proposal; but please see my comments in the previous discussion, which this proposal does not address. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-03T16:57:00.000Z-Thinkcontext-2016-02-24T18:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Thinkcontext" title="User:Thinkcontext"><bdi>Thinkcontext</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928"><bdi>Runner1928</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done. This was a hard one. Frankly speaking, the linked data initiative of the New York Times is a mess. On the one hand you have an open, non-restricted API, using surrogate keys, with data under a CC license. This has seemingly been abandoned five years ago. On the other hand, you have a restricted, registration-required, unfree API, using natural keys, for which we have no stability guarantee, but which seems to be kept fairly up-to-date. (I registered and got an API key. I checked two items. <a href="/wiki/Q47780" title="Q47780">Zaha Hadid (Q47780)</a>, who died today and has an obituary on www.nytimes.com had not been updated. On the other hand, the entry for Bernie Sanders was last updated in February.) Both APIs have no references to each other. Nevertheless I think there is inherent value in linking our concepts to that of the New York Times as a major news outlet. The outdated data is no options, so we have to use the current API, despite its problems. Let's hope their data becomes more open in the future. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-31T20:08:00.000Z-New_York_Times_Semantic_Concept:_Descriptor" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 31 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="is_verso_of" data-mw-thread-id="h-is_verso_of-2016-02-29T15:22:00.000Z">is verso of</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2682" title="Property:P2682">is verso of</a> (P2682) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2682" title="Property talk:P2682">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>A property to indicate the two-dimensional artwork (usually drawing or painting) that is on the front (recto) side of this artwork</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>two-dimensional (flat) <a href="/wiki/Q838948" title="Q838948">work of art (Q838948)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q21614521" title="Q21614521">Croy family shield (Q21614521)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q22970535" class="mw-redirect" title="Q22970535">Portrait of Philippe de Croy (Q22970535)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>usually museums' online collections</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> I've encountered several artworks already for which we'd need this property. This is different from <a href="/wiki/Property:P1639" title="Property:P1639">pendant of (P1639)</a>, which refers to two artworks on different carriers that were created to complement each other. I also propose the reverse property. Both must be named clearly (or get several crystal clear aliases) so that they don't get mixed up with their reverse. <a href="/wiki/User:Spinster" title="User:Spinster">Spinster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spinster" title="User talk:Spinster">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Spinster-2016-02-29T15:22:00.000Z-is_verso_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><s>@<a href="/wiki/User:Spinster" title="User:Spinster"><bdi>Spinster</bdi></a>: Can you give your example an English label, please? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-12T13:47:00.000Z-Spinster-2016-02-29T15:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a></s></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - I've been working on the collection of Bosch paintings, quite a few of those are two-sided and would benefit by this property. <a href="/wiki/User:Husky" title="User:Husky">Husky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Husky" title="User talk:Husky">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Husky-2016-03-12T20:42:00.000Z-Spinster-2016-02-29T15:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-22T21:09:00.000Z-Spinster-2016-02-29T15:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023"><bdi>Jane023</bdi></a>: Is there an art project we should ping? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-22T21:09:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-22T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Visual_arts" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts">WikiProject Visual Arts</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Spinster" title="User:Spinster">Spinster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spinster" title="User talk:Spinster">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Spinster-2016-03-27T21:34:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-22T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Spinster" title="User:Spinster"><bdi>Spinster</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023"><bdi>Jane023</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Husky" title="User:Husky"><bdi>Husky</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-28T23:51:00.000Z-is_verso_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:51, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Typeface/font" data-mw-thread-id="h-Typeface/font-2016-03-30T19:02:00.000Z">Typeface/font</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2739" title="Property:P2739">typeface/font used</a> (P2739) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2739" title="Property talk:P2739">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Typeface/font which is used in a work/book</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q17451" title="Q17451">typeface</a> (Q17451)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>(noone known)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q571" title="Q571">book (Q571)</a> and similar</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Instances of <a href="/wiki/Q17451" title="Q17451">typeface (Q17451)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Q4868296" title="Q4868296">font (Q4868296)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q21996304" title="Q21996304">Samlede Digte (Q21996304)</a> -> <a href="/wiki/Q716102" title="Q716102">Janson (Q716102)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>(probably not necessary)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Books are usually produced with one or a few distinct typefaces. Examples of typefaces are <a href="/wiki/Q1321181" title="Q1321181">Times Roman (Q1321181)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q716102" title="Q716102">Janson (Q716102)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Q1093499" title="Q1093499">Palatino (Q1093499)</a>. Newer books often state the typeface in the frontal matter. Together with the number of pages, ISBN, title, author, etc., it is what characterizes an edition of a book. — <a href="/wiki/User:Fnielsen" title="User:Fnielsen">Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fnielsen" title="User talk:Fnielsen">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Fnielsen-2016-03-30T19:02:00.000Z-Typeface/font" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. I was thinking about this. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-30T22:58:00.000Z-Fnielsen-2016-03-30T19:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment. This may be used for other things than books! All texts that are typed. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-30T22:58:00.000Z-Fnielsen-2016-03-30T19:02:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. It could also be used for signage systems and similar. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2016-04-01T20:08:00.000Z-Fnielsen-2016-03-30T19:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 1 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Bekker_Number" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bekker_Number-2016-03-06T18:55:00.000Z">Bekker Number</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2683" title="Property:P2683">Bekker Number</a> (P2683) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2683" title="Property talk:P2683">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>reference to works in the Corpus Aristotelicum</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q20065339" title="Q20065339">Bekker numbering</a> (Q20065339)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>works by Aristotle</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q3481620" title="Q3481620">De divinatione per somnum (Q3481620)</a> → 462b</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Wikipedia</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td> --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2016-03-06T18:55:00.000Z-Bekker_Number" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done, no objections. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-03-29T00:03:00.000Z-Bekker_Number" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 29 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="mean_lifetime" data-mw-thread-id="h-mean_lifetime-2016-03-11T17:02:00.000Z">mean lifetime</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2645" title="Property:P2645">mean lifetime</a> (P2645) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2645" title="Property talk:P2645">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>inverse of decay rate for an elementary particle; half-life is ln(2) times this value</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1758559" title="Q1758559">mean lifetime</a> (Q1758559)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"mean_lifetime" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Template:Infobox_particle" class="extiw" title="w:en:Template:Infobox particle">w:en:Template:Infobox particle</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q18334" title="Q18334">particle physics (Q18334)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>any positive floating number</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2348" title="Q2348">neutron (Q2348)</a> → 880,3 ± 1,1 seconds</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> See this <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Physics#dur.C3.A9e_de_vie_moyenne_.28Q1758559.29_and_demi-vie_.28Q47270.29" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Physics">discussion</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pamputt" title="User:Pamputt">Pamputt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pamputt" title="User talk:Pamputt">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pamputt-2016-03-11T17:02:00.000Z-mean_lifetime" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ol><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/15px-GA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/23px-GA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/30px-GA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="183" data-file-height="196"/> Weak support - this is closely related to <a href="/wiki/Property:P2114" title="Property:P2114">half-life (P2114)</a> but 'mean lifetime' is more commonly used for elementary particles, while 'half life' for nuclides. For some items we might have both values - is there a way to constrain them to indicate they should be numerically related? <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-11T19:34:00.000Z-Pamputt-2016-03-11T17:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/15px-GA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/23px-GA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/30px-GA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="183" data-file-height="196"/> Weak support Agreed with ArthurPSmith. <a href="/wiki/User:Pamputt" title="User:Pamputt">Pamputt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pamputt" title="User talk:Pamputt">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pamputt-2016-03-19T22:55:00.000Z-Pamputt-2016-03-11T17:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:55, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ol> <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done @<a href="/wiki/User:Pamputt" title="User:Pamputt"><bdi>Pamputt</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith"><bdi>ArthurPSmith</bdi></a>: --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-23T23:47:00.000Z-Pamputt-2016-03-11T17:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:47, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Extinct" data-mw-thread-id="h-Extinct-2016-03-03T12:53:00.000Z">Extinct</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>status of a taxon of which no living examples remain</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q123509" title="Q123509">extinction</a> (Q123509)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>Extinct in Template:Taxonomy/Tyrannosaurus</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>All taxa</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Yes/No</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q14332" title="Q14332">Tyrannosaurus (Q14332)</a> → Yes</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> As proposed <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Extinct_taxons" title="Wikidata:Requests for comment/Extinct taxons">here</a> there's not a way to know if a taxon is extinct when we create a Wikidata list of, let's say, Mammals families. With a simple yes/no definition we can change this, as we can generate a list with only extant or extinct groups. <a href="/wiki/User:Theklan" title="User:Theklan">Theklan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theklan" title="User talk:Theklan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Theklan-2016-03-03T12:53:00.000Z-Extinct" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:53, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <s><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support but it should not be a String datatype; I don't believe we have boolean datatypes in wikidata, but you can do the equivalent with an item datatype with allowed values <a href="/wiki/Q16751793" title="Q16751793">true (Q16751793)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q5432619" title="Q5432619">false (Q5432619)</a> perhaps? <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-03T21:28:00.000Z-Extinct" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a></s> <dl><dd><dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose I now don't believe this is necessary, <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> with an appropriate item should suffice. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-22T17:50:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-03T21:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd>It can also be done changing <a href="/wiki/Q16521" title="Q16521">taxon (Q16521)</a> with <a href="/wiki/Q123509" title="Q123509">extinction (Q123509)</a> -<a href="/wiki/User:Theklan" title="User:Theklan">Theklan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theklan" title="User talk:Theklan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Theklan-2016-03-03T22:31:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-03T21:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>What about a more generic property like "status"? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Micru-2016-03-03T22:35:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-03T21:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Sounds good. What kind of statuses did you had in mind? Of course IUCN is one good source but for this it should perhaps be something more general? --<a href="/wiki/User:Averater" title="User:Averater">Averater</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Averater" title="User talk:Averater">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Averater-2016-03-05T08:57:00.000Z-Micru-2016-03-03T22:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:57, 5 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>A better term would be „extinction status” which takes the values extant and extinct. The default value extant should only be used if there are contradicting claims. --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Succu-2016-03-07T15:24:00.000Z-Micru-2016-03-03T22:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd> <dl><dd>I'd totally oppose a meaningless "status" property. It would be totally empty. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2016-03-08T16:43:00.000Z-Micru-2016-03-03T22:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 8 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/15px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/23px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/30px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="20" data-file-height="20"/> <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Taxonomy/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Taxonomy/Participants">WikiProject Taxonomy</a> has more than 50 participants and <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200350" class="extiw" title="phab:T200350">couldn't be pinged</a>. Please post on <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Taxonomy" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Taxonomy">the WikiProject's talk page</a> instead. --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Succu-2016-03-03T22:41:00.000Z-Extinct" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:41, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Can this not be done with <a href="/wiki/Property:P141" title="Property:P141">IUCN conservation status (P141)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q237350" title="Q237350">extinct species (Q237350)</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Thryduulf-2016-03-03T23:46:00.000Z-Succu-2016-03-03T22:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>The IUCN Red List did not include taxa that went extinct before 1500 AD. --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Succu-2016-03-04T11:50:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2016-03-03T23:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>And it doesn't include taxa other than species, as genus, families or whole phylla. -<a href="/wiki/User:Theklan" title="User:Theklan">Theklan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theklan" title="User talk:Theklan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Theklan-2016-03-04T20:37:00.000Z-Succu-2016-03-04T11:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:37, 4 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment I am not happy with this: Tyrannosaurus rex is not "extinct" but is know to us only from fossils (bones and perhaps eggs). I would rather see a property "fossil". Or "instance of fossil". - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Brya-2016-03-04T05:26:00.000Z-Succu-2016-03-03T22:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:26, 4 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>If a taxon is not extant, then it is extinct. It can be known from fossils or not, that's the evidence for us to know that it was extant when it lived. -<a href="/wiki/User:Theklan" title="User:Theklan">Theklan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theklan" title="User talk:Theklan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Theklan-2016-03-04T20:37:00.000Z-Brya-2016-03-04T05:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:37, 4 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><dl><dd>The point is that these are two different things: "only known from fossils" and "extinct". And for Tyrannosaurus rex the label "extinct" is not a meaningful one.</dd> <dd> And "extant" is here and now (it is plain silly to say "to those dinosaurs that were taxonomists T. rex was an extant species", as we don't know of any dinosaurs that were taxonomists; in fact even the idea that there might have been dinosaurs that could read will be regarded as far-fetched by the scientific community). - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Brya-2016-03-05T11:02:00.000Z-Theklan-2016-03-04T20:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:02, 5 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I don't think is silly to say that Tyrannosaurus rex or Homo habilis are extinct species, nor Australopithecus an extinct genus. -<a href="/wiki/User:Theklan" title="User:Theklan">Theklan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theklan" title="User talk:Theklan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Theklan-2016-03-06T23:33:00.000Z-Brya-2016-03-05T11:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:33, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Whoever said that was silly? But to say that Tyrannosaurus rex is extinct is quite uninformative. The dodo is "extinct", there are quite a few species that are "presumed extinct" (they might still be found alive) and there are species that are "extinct in the wild" (there are some in zoos or gardens). But Tyrannosaurus rex is in a quite different category and "only known from fossils". - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Brya-2016-03-07T05:49:00.000Z-Theklan-2016-03-04T20:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:49, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>An interesting discussion. I guess that the extinction status (basically true/false) should be supplemented with an estimated time (date) of extinction (eg. 68,000,000 MY). That would allow us to somewhat categorize the extinct species. There is a grey zone between "fossil only" and "extinct" and I would be afraid of drawing a clear line between those two. As for "extinct in the wild", we already have such information in the IUCN categories, don't we (E vs. EW categories) - extinction in the wild vs. individuals in ZOO only applies to year>1500 species and that's covered by IUCN quite well.--<a href="/wiki/User:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Dost%C3%A1l" title="User:Vojtěch Dostál">Vojtěch Dostál</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Dost%C3%A1l" title="User talk:Vojtěch Dostál">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Vojtěch_Dostál-2016-03-07T07:26:00.000Z-Brya-2016-03-07T05:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Indeed, IUCN covers most of the cases of "extinct" (in the narrow sense), but not the dodo. Nor the moa, which is more of a grey area. In many cases, age will work, but its presence would have to be made a requirement. Also, there are lot of fossils, and these are not necessarily well documented (or defined). In those cases there is nothing like an estimated time of extinction. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Brya-2016-03-07T11:43:00.000Z-Brya-2016-03-04T05:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:43, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>As far as I know when a mass extinction occurs (as in the Permian) there is an extinction. So if there's an extinction then those taxa are now extinct. They were alive. Then all of them died. And now they're extinct. -<a href="/wiki/User:Theklan" title="User:Theklan">Theklan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theklan" title="User talk:Theklan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Theklan-2016-03-07T12:20:00.000Z-Brya-2016-03-07T11:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><dl><dd>The organisms that went extinct then can be subdivided in two groups: 1) those that are known to us (at least in part) by fossils and 2) those that are not known to us at all. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Brya-2016-03-07T17:43:00.000Z-Theklan-2016-03-07T12:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Those that are not known to us at all, is to say, the unknowns unknown are not eligible for Wikidata. -<a href="/wiki/User:Theklan" title="User:Theklan">Theklan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theklan" title="User talk:Theklan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Theklan-2016-03-07T22:40:00.000Z-Brya-2016-03-07T17:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:40, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Fossilworks and PaleoDB make no distinction (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://fossilworks.org/bridge.pl?a=taxonInfo&taxon_no=92329">dodo at Fossilworks</a>) between „real fossils” and taxa that became extinct in the holocene (another example <a href="/wiki/Q3699044" title="Q3699044">woolly mammoth (Q3699044)</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Succu-2016-03-07T15:24:00.000Z-Brya-2016-03-07T11:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Fossilworks looks at this from the other end: everything in Fossilworks is fossil. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Brya-2016-03-07T17:43:00.000Z-Succu-2016-03-07T15:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Yes, both have a field extant. --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Succu-2016-03-07T21:54:00.000Z-Brya-2016-03-07T17:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Because there are fossils of extant species and taxa. For example Homo sapiens is known by fossils and we are here. -<a href="/wiki/User:Theklan" title="User:Theklan">Theklan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theklan" title="User talk:Theklan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Theklan-2016-03-07T22:40:00.000Z-Succu-2016-03-07T21:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:40, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>I'd <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/15px-BA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/23px-BA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/30px-BA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="190" data-file-height="200"/> Weak oppose as it's a case of classification which can be handled with <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a>. It's clearly doable with a class extinct taxon, like a lot of properties wich could use the boolean datatype. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2016-03-08T16:43:00.000Z-Succu-2016-03-03T22:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 8 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Yes, we could have "instance of fossil taxon", with "fossil taxon" a subclass of "taxon". - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Brya-2016-03-08T18:31:00.000Z-TomT0m-2016-03-08T16:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 8 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I'll add that this has the additional features of the classical handling on classes, we can add <a href="/wiki/Property:P1552" title="Property:P1552">has characteristic (P1552)</a>, properties for this type and so on. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2016-03-10T10:14:00.000Z-Brya-2016-03-08T18:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:14, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose Doesn't the fact that <a href="/wiki/Q14332" title="Q14332">Tyrannosaurus (Q14332)</a> has the property <a href="/wiki/Property:P582" title="Property:P582">end time (P582)</a> necessarily indicate its status as extinct? <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Joshbaumgartner-2016-03-08T19:53:00.000Z-Succu-2016-03-03T22:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 8 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Property:P582" title="Property:P582">end time (P582)</a> does not really seem to be the right property. Something like an extension of the scope of <a href="/wiki/Property:P576" title="Property:P576">dissolved, abolished or demolished date (P576)</a> or Extinction date would fit better. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-TomT0m-2016-03-10T10:14:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2016-03-08T19:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:14, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><dl><dd>It already has "temporal range end" which indicates an endpoint. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Brya-2016-03-10T11:35:00.000Z-TomT0m-2016-03-10T10:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:35, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>See also <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:Taxobox&oldid=311679104#Extinct_feature">here</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Brya-2016-03-10T17:28:00.000Z-Brya-2016-03-10T11:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose - use <a href="/wiki/Property:P793" title="Property:P793">significant event (P793)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-20T20:46:00.000Z-Succu-2016-03-03T22:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/314675997" title="Special:Diff/314675997">thus</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-22T18:45:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-20T20:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-23T23:50:00.000Z-Succu-2016-03-03T22:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:50, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Micro-organism_respiration" data-mw-thread-id="h-Micro-organism_respiration-2016-03-09T07:15:00.000Z">Micro-organism respiration</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Requirement respiration for micro-organisms</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q16521" title="Q16521">taxon (Q16521)</a> AND <a href="/wiki/Q855769" title="Q855769">strain (Q855769)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q189790" title="Q189790">anaerobic organism (Q189790)</a> OR <a href="/wiki/Q193124" title="Q193124">aerobic organism (Q193124)</a> OR <a href="/wiki/Q548321" title="Q548321">microaerophile (Q548321)</a> OR <a href="/wiki/Q1091848" title="Q1091848">facultative anaerobic organism (Q1091848)</a> OR <a href="/wiki/Q548321" title="Q548321">microaerophile (Q548321)</a> OR <a href="/wiki/Q7075150" title="Q7075150">obligate aerobe (Q7075150)</a> OR <a href="/wiki/Q2915932" title="Q2915932">obligate anaerobe (Q2915932)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q21079489" title="Q21079489">Pseudomonas putida KT2440 (Q21079489)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q193124" title="Q193124">aerobic organism (Q193124)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>We are planning this to use in bots that add phenotypic characterisations</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> /Micro-organisms can grow under various oxygen conditions. Some can grow only with oxygen while others can only grow without. Between these two there is a range in which organisms can grow partially with or without oxygen. These phenotypic characterisations are of utmost interest for further characterising bacteria. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jjkoehorst" title="User:Jjkoehorst">jjkoehorst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jjkoehorst" title="User talk:Jjkoehorst">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jjkoehorst-2016-03-09T07:15:00.000Z-Micro-organism_respiration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:15, 9 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Su" title="User:Andrew Su">Andrew Su</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Boghog" title="User:Boghog">Boghog</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Emw" title="User:Emw">Emw</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Dan_Bolser" title="User:Dan Bolser">Dan Bolser</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Gtsulab" title="User:Gtsulab">Gtsulab</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Andrawaag" title="User:Andrawaag">Andra Waagmeester</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Sebotic" title="User:Sebotic">Sebotic</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Emitraka" title="User:Emitraka">Elvira Mitraka</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Konrad_Foerstner" title="User:Konrad Foerstner">Konrad U. Förstner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Konrad_Foerstner" title="User talk:Konrad Foerstner">talk</a>) <a href="/wiki/User:Kristina_Hettne" title="User:Kristina Hettne">Kristina Hettne</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Hardwigg" title="User:Hardwigg">Hardwigg</a> <a href="/wiki/User:I9606" title="User:I9606">i9606</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Putmantime" title="User:Putmantime">Putmantime</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jjkoehorst" title="User:Jjkoehorst">Jasper Koehorst</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Comamonas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Comamonas (page does not exist)">Comamonas</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Muhammad_elhossary" title="User:Muhammad elhossary">Muhammad Elhossary</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Netha_Hussain" title="User:Netha Hussain">Netha Hussain</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Fractaler" title="User:Fractaler">Fractaler</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Lmichan" title="User:Lmichan">Layla Michán</a> <a href="/wiki/User:SCIdude" title="User:SCIdude">SCIdude</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Therealjoesmith" title="User:Therealjoesmith">Therealjoesmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User:TiagoLubiana" title="User:TiagoLubiana">TiagoLubiana</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Tris_T7" title="User:Tris T7">Tris T7</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tris_T7" title="User talk:Tris T7">TT me</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Juliansteinb" title="User:Juliansteinb">Juliansteinb</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Leptospira&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Leptospira (page does not exist)">Leptospira</a> <a href="/wiki/User:L.C.Reimer" title="User:L.C.Reimer">L.C.Reimer</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Lhippovert" title="User:Lhippovert">Charlie Pauvert</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lhippovert&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Lhippovert (page does not exist)">talk</a>) </div><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Microbiology/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Microbiology/Participants">participants of WikiProject Microbiology</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment The "Facultative (Q5428855)" seems to be an error? From a glance at the two proposals, I am not convinced we would need two separate properties, we might get by with just one property for micro-organisms? - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Brya-2016-03-10T06:46:00.000Z-Micro-organism_respiration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:46, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> You mean a more generic phenotype property? Which could encapsulate, oxygen requirement, temperature range among other to be defined properties? --<a href="/wiki/User:Jjkoehorst" title="User:Jjkoehorst">jjkoehorst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jjkoehorst" title="User talk:Jjkoehorst">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jjkoehorst-2016-03-12T09:08:00.000Z-Micro-organism_respiration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:08, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Yes. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Brya-2016-03-12T10:38:00.000Z-Jjkoehorst-2016-03-12T09:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:38, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> Indeed Q5428855 was a mistake as this is a too generic feature. Has been removed. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jjkoehorst" title="User:Jjkoehorst">jjkoehorst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jjkoehorst" title="User talk:Jjkoehorst">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jjkoehorst-2016-03-12T09:38:00.000Z-Micro-organism_respiration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:38, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment @<a href="/wiki/User:Jjkoehorst" title="User:Jjkoehorst"><bdi>jjkoehorst</bdi></a>: I propose you to chenge the label of the property by bacteria or micro-organism respiration. Oxygen requirement is not really adapted. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Snipre-2016-03-12T12:01:00.000Z-Jjkoehorst-2016-03-12T09:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment @<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>: I have modified the title and working on the addition of the other values. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jjkoehorst" title="User:Jjkoehorst">jjkoehorst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jjkoehorst" title="User talk:Jjkoehorst">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jjkoehorst-2016-03-12T15:51:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-03-12T12:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:51, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="mirTarBase_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-mirTarBase_ID-2016-03-12T00:29:00.000Z">mirTarBase ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2646" title="Property:P2646">mirTarBase ID</a> (P2646) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2646" title="Property talk:P2646">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The identifier for the mirTarBase database, a database for microRNAs and their targets.</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q6826951" title="Q6826951">MiRTarBase</a> (Q6826951)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Molecular biology</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>'MIRT' as a prefix followed by six digits, e.g. MIRT000057</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q6871657" title="Q6871657">hsa-mir-143 (Q6871657)</a> → MIRT000312</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://mirtarbase.mbc.nctu.edu.tw/php/download.php">http://mirtarbase.mbc.nctu.edu.tw/php/download.php</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://mirtarbase.mbc.nctu.edu.tw/php/detail.php?mirtid=$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>ProteinBoxBot will add and maintain these items from their original source</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> This property would hold the identifier for the microRNA target database mirTarBase (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://mirtarbase.mbc.nctu.edu.tw/index.php">http://mirtarbase.mbc.nctu.edu.tw/index.php</a>) and would allow to properly represent microRNAs in Wikidata and also represent their targets in Wikidata with the 'regulates' property (P128). I consider this as a very valuable resource in Wikidata, as this data only is available on the mirTarBase project website or as an MS Excel sheet. Integrating this data into Wikidata would add a great resource for understanding gene expression and also will allow to enrich the Wikipedia articles on microRNAs with a reliable resource on microRNA targets. <a href="/wiki/User:Sebotic" title="User:Sebotic">Sebotic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sebotic" title="User talk:Sebotic">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Sebotic-2016-03-12T00:29:00.000Z-mirTarBase_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:29, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/15px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/23px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/30px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="20" data-file-height="20"/> <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Molecular_biology/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Molecular biology/Participants">WikiProject Molecular biology</a> has more than 50 participants and <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200350" class="extiw" title="phab:T200350">couldn't be pinged</a>. Please post on <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Molecular_biology" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Molecular biology">the WikiProject's talk page</a> instead. <div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jmh649" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jmh649">Doc James</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Bluerasberry" title="User:Bluerasberry">Bluerasberry</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Gambo7" title="User:Gambo7">Gambo7</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Su" title="User:Andrew Su">Andrew Su</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Andrux" title="User:Andrux">Andrux</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pavel_Du%C5%A1ek" title="User:Pavel Dušek">Pavel Dušek</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Mvolz" title="User:Mvolz">Mvolz</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jtuom" title="User:Jtuom">User:Jtuom</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Cmungall" title="User:Cmungall">Chris Mungall</a> <a 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height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:I9606" title="User:I9606">I9606</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:I9606" title="User talk:I9606">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-I9606-2016-03-14T04:07:00.000Z-mirTarBase_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:07, 14 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:MicrobeBot" title="User:MicrobeBot">MicrobeBot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MicrobeBot" title="User talk:MicrobeBot">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-MicrobeBot-2016-03-17T18:38:00.000Z-mirTarBase_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 17 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Sebotic" title="User:Sebotic"><bdi>Sebotic</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:I9606" title="User:I9606"><bdi>I9606</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:MicrobeBot" title="User:MicrobeBot"><bdi>MicrobeBot</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pasleim-2016-03-24T00:01:00.000Z-mirTarBase_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="median_lethal_dose" data-mw-thread-id="h-median_lethal_dose-2016-01-21T17:26:00.000Z">median lethal dose</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Statistically derived median dose of a chemical or physical agent (radiation) expected to kill 50% of organisms in a given population under a defined set of conditions.</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q711849" title="Q711849">median lethal dose</a> (Q711849)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>LD50</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>chemicals</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>numbers with units in amount per kilo for a specific animal using a specific administration route (administration route and animal should be qualifiers)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q14982" title="Q14982">methanol (Q14982)</a>: 4710 mg/kg, <a href="/wiki/Property:P2352" title="Property:P2352">applies to taxon (P2352)</a>: <a href="/wiki/Q83310" title="Q83310">house mouse (Q83310)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P636" title="Property:P636">route of administration (P636)</a>: <a href="/wiki/Q1369403" title="Q1369403">intravenous injection (Q1369403)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>External references</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Provide full set of toxicological data. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Snipre-2016-01-21T17:26:00.000Z-median_lethal_dose" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 21 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Basic toxicological properties such as this should be added to Wikidata. It would bring more health-relevant information to chemical properties. It would also make easier to find and compare toxicity of different chemicals. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jtuom" title="User:Jtuom">Jtuom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jtuom" title="User talk:Jtuom">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jtuom-2016-01-29T14:52:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-21T17:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 29 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-24T14:43:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-21T17:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:43, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>: Is <a href="/wiki/Property:P2240" title="Property:P2240">median lethal dose (LD50) (P2240)</a> the same propriety? --<a href="/wiki/User:Almondega" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Almondega">Almondega</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Almondega" title="User talk:Almondega">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Almondega-2016-04-06T13:25:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-21T17:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:25, 6 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Almondega" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Almondega"><bdi>Almondega</bdi></a>: You are right. This was a general property and a more specific one was rewuired. But now it is ok. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Snipre-2016-04-08T17:45:00.000Z-Almondega-2016-04-06T13:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 8 April 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Biographical_Directory_of_Federal_Judges_id" data-mw-thread-id="h-Biographical_Directory_of_Federal_Judges_id-2015-10-08T22:40:00.000Z">Biographical Directory of Federal Judges id</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2736" title="Property:P2736">Biographical Directory of Federal Judges alpha ID</a> (P2736) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2736" title="Property talk:P2736">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for a judge in the Biographical Directory of Federal Judges</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>1 in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:FJC_Bio" class="extiw" title="en:Template:FJC Bio">en:Template:FJC Bio</a> and other language versions</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Q5</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>\d+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q7344755" title="Q7344755">Robert Gibson (Q7344755)</a> → 851 -> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.fjc.gov/servlet/nGetInfo?jid=851&cid=999&ctype=na&instate=na">[10]</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>from the website, or wikipedia templates.</td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.fjc.gov/servlet/nGetInfo?jid=$1&cid=999&ctype=na&instate=na</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>import from enwiki</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> The <a href="/wiki/Q4914870" title="Q4914870">Biographical Directory of Federal Judges (Q4914870)</a> is an directory of information about US Federal Judges. It is in the public domain, it is a useful source of information, as well as a unique identifier. <a href="/wiki/User:Silverfish" title="User:Silverfish">Silverfish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silverfish" title="User talk:Silverfish">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Silverfish-2015-11-18T19:03:00.000Z-Biographical_Directory_of_Federal_Judges_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 18 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Proposal format</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose as proposed - appears malformed; lacks description. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-10-08T22:40:00.000Z-Silverfish-2015-11-18T19:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:40, 8 October 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><s><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose, has no description or rationale listed, and example is invalid. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-10-27T19:58:00.000Z-Silverfish-2015-11-18T19:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 27 October 2015 (UTC)</a></s></li></ul> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li>Closed this as not done, because the request has been open for about a month and it lacks a proper motivation and description and the example is unclear. This makes it impossible to create the property. <a href="/wiki/User:Mbch331" title="User:Mbch331">Mbch331</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mbch331" title="User talk:Mbch331">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Mbch331-2015-11-08T11:40:00.000Z-Silverfish-2015-11-18T19:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Mbch331" title="User:Mbch331">Mbch331</a>: Rationale is "implement Wikidata phase 2". Additional details are available by clicking on the template link for full details. I took the liberty to structure the discussion above. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-11-08T12:26:00.000Z-Mbch331-2015-11-08T11:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:26, 8 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>We shouldn't guess what it's meant for, we shouldn't go to other projects to see why a proposal has been done. The example doesn't match the allowed values, so the example is invalid. When asked for more information by 2 opposes, no information is provided. When I mark the proposal as not done, additional information is provided. The information needed to create a property should be provided upon the moment of proposing the property. And still not all information is provided. A link to a template isn't a property title. If you still want this property, place a proper request that doesn't make others guessing at what you want. <a href="/wiki/User:Mbch331" title="User:Mbch331">Mbch331</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mbch331" title="User talk:Mbch331">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Mbch331-2015-11-08T14:30:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-11-08T12:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 8 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>It's not clear if all opposes actually read the proposal, so I'd rather not get involved. IMHO the template needs to be checked in detail to assess the proposal. Obviously, it can help to re-state the project goal each time and, yes, including "en:Template:" in the label isn't needed, but we wouldn't have done that anyways. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-11-08T15:50:00.000Z-Mbch331-2015-11-08T14:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 8 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I assure you I read the proposal in full. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-11-13T17:54:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-11-08T15:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 13 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>I assure the same. The description is "..." and the motivation is "(Add your motivation for this property here.)". I've gone further and read the linked template, but it is a WP template and doesn't say anything about Wikidata implementation. If we don't have that information, then there really isn't anything to work with here and thus my opposition until the proposal is fleshed out to actually explain what the property is, what it is meant to do, and how it should be implemented. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-11-18T00:43:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-11-08T15:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:43, 18 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>At least one of you had a look at the template. I wonder if there are several ways to implement this. Personally, I think there would be just one. Josh, could you list the variants? --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-11-18T09:12:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-11-18T00:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:12, 18 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>I have added what I think is the necessary information for the property, as I think it seems useful. I invite Jura1 to check it, and everyone else to see if they support now we have the information filled in. <a href="/wiki/User:Silverfish" title="User:Silverfish">Silverfish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silverfish" title="User talk:Silverfish">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Silverfish-2015-11-18T19:03:00.000Z-Silverfish-2015-11-18T19:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 18 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> might think there would be several ways of doing it, so I'm curious to learn more about them. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-11-19T16:26:00.000Z-Silverfish-2015-11-18T19:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 19 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support @<a href="/wiki/User:Silverfish" title="User:Silverfish"><bdi>Silverfish</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: This proposal looks good now. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-11-19T19:58:00.000Z-Silverfish-2015-11-18T19:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 19 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Josh_Baumgartner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Josh Baumgartner (page does not exist)">@</a><a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Joshbaumgartner</a>: can you advise us of possible alternate ways of implementing this, given the template at Wikipedia? --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-11-21T10:15:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-11-19T19:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:15, 21 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Josh doesn't seem (and he can correct me if I'm wrong) to be saying there are sensible alternative ways of implementing this, but previously opposed the property as there was no implementation given. I've now provided one he seems happy with. <a href="/wiki/User:Silverfish" title="User:Silverfish">Silverfish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silverfish" title="User talk:Silverfish">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Silverfish-2015-11-21T19:27:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-11-21T10:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 21 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>As he is a property creator and given that he opposed it initially, I think he might have several options in mind. I think it's important to review them before we support or oppose this property. @<a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner"><bdi>Joshbaumgartner</bdi></a>: please comment. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-11-23T12:54:00.000Z-Silverfish-2015-11-21T19:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:54, 23 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Silverfish" title="User:Silverfish"><bdi>Silverfish</bdi></a>: I support the proposal as it is <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Person&oldid=275918208">currently presented</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-11-23T16:34:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-11-23T12:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 23 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner"><bdi>Joshbaumgartner</bdi></a>:: In your role as a property creator, could you give us some guidance as to possible alternative ways of implementing this? This would add some value to the discussion. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Jura1-2015-11-23T17:04:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-11-23T16:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Silverfish" title="User:Silverfish"><bdi>Silverfish</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner"><bdi>Joshbaumgartner</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done. The only opposing votes were for formal reasons, which have been resolved since. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47#c-Srittau-2016-04-08T18:26:00.000Z-Biographical_Directory_of_Federal_Judges_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)</a>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47&oldid=2166780842">https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47&oldid=2166780842</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" 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