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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emesee-2008-07-25T02:52:00.000Z-2008_July"></span>7 or maybe 8 - It seems like there may be a solid foundation in place. <a href="/wiki/User:Emesee" title="User:Emesee">Emesee</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Quality#c-Emesee-2008-07-25T02:52:00.000Z-2008_July" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emesee-2008-07-25T02:52:00.000Z-2008_July"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span 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People can easier see what is available (if it is good is another question). So, from that point, I would rate it with a 8. Here again a big thank you (in <a href="/wiki/File:Danke_sch%C3%B6n.ogg" title="File:Danke schön.ogg">German</a>) to McCormack + the others who helped here. <ul><li>The grade about interaction/working together: 3 (so from what I see, this may totally be wrong from your POV - hit me then)</li> <li>About quality of contents I will not give a value: this is subjective and everybody probably sees it (slightly) different depending on which learning resource they are interested in.</li> <li>If someone wants, let's do a quality model, so we go back from more subjective to less subjective (I don't say rational with purpose): <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity_talk:Assessment#methodology" title="Wikiversity talk:Assessment">Wikiversity talk:Assessment#methodology</a> ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> <small>uses the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" 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