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href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/category/qa/" title="View all posts in Q&A">Q&A</a>, </span></p></header><div class="entry-content" ><p><em>Next up in our “Ask Drone Girl” series is about flying in U.S. National Parks. If you have a question for Drone Girl, <a href="https://thedronegirl.com/contact/">contact her here</a>.</em></p><p>Hi Drone Girl,</p><p>I had a quick question about shooting in certain areas of SF. I am trying to get some footage in the Presidio and will be renting a drone to shoot it. I noticed on some drone maps that the Presidio is off limits. Is there a workaround for shooting legally there? Is a permit necessary?</p><p>-Andy</p><p>Hey Andy,</p><p>Great question! It’s complicated. To our non-San Franciscan readers, I’ll let you know that Presidio would be the most beautiful place to photography with a drone.</p><p>But unfortunately, the short answer is no, you cannot shoot in the Presidio with a drone.<span id="more-7188"></span></p><p>The National Park Service in August 2014<a href="https://www.nps.gov/policy/PolMemos/PM_14-05.htm"> made it illegal to </a>launch, land, or operate unmanned aircraft under <a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/36/1.5">36 CFR 1.5</a>, which essentially gives the National Park Service the authority to impose public use limits such as hours of operations or not walking off the path.</p><p>(<a href="https://thedronegirl.com/2016/06/07/golden-gate-bridge-drone/">I started looking into this when I learned you could not fly drones over the Golden Gate Bridge.</a>)</p><p>Before every flight, I recommend checking in your flight location on <a href="https://app.airmap.io/">AirMap</a>. It’s a useful and free tool to see if you are flying too close to an airport (5 miles is actually broader than most people think!), or in otherwise restricted areas such as a National Park — because a lot of people don’t realize the Presidio is a National Park).</p><p>You’ll see that the Presidio, where you want to fly, is prohibited.</p><div id="attachment_7191" style="width: 850px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7191" class="size-full wp-image-7191 lazyload" src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" data-src="https://thedronegirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-29-at-5.42.12-PM.png" alt="airmap presidio" width="840" height="502" /><p id="caption-attachment-7191" class="wp-caption-text"><noscript><img data-recalc-dims="1" decoding="async" class="size-full wp-image-7191 lazyload" src="https://i0.wp.com/thedronegirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-29-at-5.42.12-PM.png?resize=800%2C478" alt="airmap presidio" width="800" height="478" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/www.thedronegirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-29-at-5.42.12-PM.png?w=840&ssl=1 840w, https://i0.wp.com/www.thedronegirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-29-at-5.42.12-PM.png?resize=768%2C459&ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/www.thedronegirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-29-at-5.42.12-PM.png?resize=275%2C164&ssl=1 275w, https://i0.wp.com/www.thedronegirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-29-at-5.42.12-PM.png?resize=620%2C371&ssl=1 620w" sizes="(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px" /></noscript> Screenshot from AirMap</p></div><p>However, there is a chance you can still fly your drone there. Purposes such as scientific study, search and rescue operations, fire operations, and law enforcement can operate under written permission from National Park Service administration.</p><p>No matter what National Park you want to fly in, contact that park’s specific management team well in advance and explain what you need to do. It would help if you can prove your case and professionalism. Ideally you would have a <a href="https://thedronegirl.com/2016/06/21/part-107-aeronautical-drone-test-heres-can-expect/">Part 107 certification from the Federal Aviation Administration </a>to prove you are a licensed drone pilot. If you don’t, get it first!</p><p>You might also want to provide documentation of the safety of your equipment, as well as the details of your flight including time of day, etc. More information is better!</p><p>If you do get permission from the park management team, make sure you have it signed and in writing. 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Leave your drones at home</a></div><div class="post-next col-md-6"><a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/04/can-hire-licensed-drone-pilot/" rel="next"><span class="meta-nav">Next:</span> Where can I hire a licensed drone pilot?</a></div></div>  <div class="clear"></div><div class="rsrc-comments"> <a name="comments"></a><h4 id="comments">21 Comments</h4><ul class="commentlist list-unstyled"><li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="comment-52102"><div id="div-comment-52102" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/313c21e93513bf8c5db9995aa49de540?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/313c21e93513bf8c5db9995aa49de540?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn"><a href="http://wisetechreport.com" class="url" rel="ugc external nofollow">Carm</a></cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-52102">April 23, 2017 at 9:28 am</a></div><p>Great guide! Always wondered what the legalities were around flying drones in certain areas.</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-52102-6741f98fbce95' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=52102&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-52102-6741f98fbce95' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-52102-6741f98fbce95'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-52102" data-commentid="52102" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-52102" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Carm" aria-label="Reply to Carm">Reply</a></div></div></li><li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 parent" id="comment-53614"><div id="div-comment-53614" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/b544e2efe1e0a663258d24726359b1e8?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/b544e2efe1e0a663258d24726359b1e8?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn">Dave</cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-53614">May 4, 2017 at 5:01 pm</a></div><p>This article is incorrect. You can fly over a National Park. But as rules you cite say: you cannot launch operate or land one in a national park. Operate here refers to using the control system (i.e. walking into the park with the controller active).</p><p>If you stay outside the national park, launch it outside and then fly over it and than land it outside the national park, you are perfectly legal (assuming you respect all airspace restrictions/NOTAMs). NPS doesn’t have authority to restrict overflights. That is exclusive FAA authority and as long as you obey the FAA rules, you are in the clear.</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-53614-6741f98fbd409' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=53614&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-53614-6741f98fbd409' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-53614-6741f98fbd409'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-53614" data-commentid="53614" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-53614" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Dave" aria-label="Reply to Dave">Reply</a></div></div><ul class="children"><li class="comment even depth-2" id="comment-53774"><div id="div-comment-53774" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2eeaece5dac10cc3787251b1f380371b?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2eeaece5dac10cc3787251b1f380371b?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn">Heath</cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-53774">May 7, 2017 at 2:00 pm</a></div><p>I agree with you, Dave. That was my interpretation of the policy memo as well.</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-53774-6741f98fbd899' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=53774&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-53774-6741f98fbd899' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-53774-6741f98fbd899'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-53774" data-commentid="53774" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-53774" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Heath" aria-label="Reply to Heath">Reply</a></div></div></li><li class="comment odd alt depth-2" id="comment-55719"><div id="div-comment-55719" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/90fc870f79082bb20cae1562aae7cf21?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/90fc870f79082bb20cae1562aae7cf21?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn">Andrew L</cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-55719">May 28, 2017 at 5:18 pm</a></div><p>That’s all well and good, but while you are technically correct, most any landmark worth recording within the NPS will be well within the borders of the park. This becomes problematic since you need *visual* line of sight to fly. With most drones, this is only a few hundred feet. The way the (very restrictive) FAA guidelines are written, most drone flights you see on YouTube go contrary to those guidelines.</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-55719-6741f98fbdd23' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=55719&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-55719-6741f98fbdd23' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-55719-6741f98fbdd23'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-55719" data-commentid="55719" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-55719" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Andrew L" aria-label="Reply to Andrew L">Reply</a></div></div></li><li class="comment even depth-2" id="comment-56731"><div id="div-comment-56731" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/0e714563c82e1a3fe0b142099266e78f?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/0e714563c82e1a3fe0b142099266e78f?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn">Jerry</cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-56731">June 8, 2017 at 9:43 pm</a></div><p>In certain national parks, specifically, Yosemite, the outer rim is beyond the 4.3 miles capability of the Mavic Pro. So yes, you can start from the outside of the NP, but only get certain viewpoints and not the good ones, the valley for instance.</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-56731-6741f98fbe16a' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=56731&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-56731-6741f98fbe16a' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-56731-6741f98fbe16a'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-56731" data-commentid="56731" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-56731" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Jerry" aria-label="Reply to Jerry">Reply</a></div></div></li><li class="comment odd alt depth-2" id="comment-60548"><div id="div-comment-60548" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/e808ceafb792f9c6bfba023e2aec9a24?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/e808ceafb792f9c6bfba023e2aec9a24?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn">Justin</cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-60548">July 19, 2017 at 4:08 pm</a></div><p>Yes but you’re required to apply for a COA with the FAA for almost all UAS activity and chances are the COA will be denied if you’re planned route is into a National Park for the purpose of just taking pictures or videos. It is always required if said UAS is 55lbs or more. Considering the FAA also requires you to keep line of site with your UAS you couldn’t fly very far into a NP if you were standing outside of it like you propose.</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-60548-6741f98fbe606' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=60548&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-60548-6741f98fbe606' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-60548-6741f98fbe606'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-60548" data-commentid="60548" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-60548" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Justin" aria-label="Reply to Justin">Reply</a></div></div></li></ul></li><li class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="comment-56133"><div id="div-comment-56133" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/d29149f8a141b645a0795ce60d25b6fa?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/d29149f8a141b645a0795ce60d25b6fa?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn"><a href="https://globalvideohq.com/" class="url" rel="ugc external nofollow">Frank Archerme</a></cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-56133">June 1, 2017 at 3:28 am</a></div><p>It ‘s really great to know.Thank you for sharing.</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-56133-6741f98fbea8d' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=56133&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-56133-6741f98fbea8d' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-56133-6741f98fbea8d'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-56133" data-commentid="56133" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-56133" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Frank Archerme" aria-label="Reply to Frank Archerme">Reply</a></div></div></li><li class="comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 parent" id="comment-56675"><div id="div-comment-56675" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4d59fbe891931cdfb7d2bcc32c35fe7f?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4d59fbe891931cdfb7d2bcc32c35fe7f?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn">Matthew</cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-56675">June 7, 2017 at 8:28 pm</a></div><p>How about having a bunch of spotters working as a team? This takes care of the “line of sight” from the operator.</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-56675-6741f98fbef2e' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=56675&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-56675-6741f98fbef2e' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-56675-6741f98fbef2e'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-56675" data-commentid="56675" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-56675" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Matthew" aria-label="Reply to Matthew">Reply</a></div></div><ul class="children"><li class="comment even depth-2" id="comment-57331"><div id="div-comment-57331" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/a191dfb22bb18c2b005da2daf05b08b4?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/a191dfb22bb18c2b005da2daf05b08b4?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn">Steve</cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-57331">June 13, 2017 at 6:55 pm</a></div><p>The National Park authorities would undoubtedly declare the spotters to be operators, since they would be integral to the (legal) operation of the drone, no matter where the pilot is.<br /> NP rangers can be quite keen in their desire to enforce (their interpretation of) the rules. Some years ago seven of my paraglider friends who had been flying the east side of the Sierras (outside Yosemite) were driving back through Yosemite, and during a stop they took out their paragliders to ‘kite’ them on Tuolumne Meadows (with no intention of flying them – a feat that would have been impossible from flat meadows):<br /> kiting paragliders :<br /> <a href="http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/309100/15037917/1320985550360/Kiting.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/309100/15037917/1320985550360/Kiting.jpg</a></p><p>The rangers first thought they we BASE jumpers who had landed in the meadow (BASE jumping is not allowed in Yosemite) After a long and unpleasant exchange the rangers eventually accepted that they were not BASE jumpers, but arrested them anyway, confiscated their gliders and charged them with the misdemeanor: “Operating an aircraft in a National Park without authorization.</p><p>As a side note, to further illustrate the NP attitude (at least in Yosemite) : while hang gliders have a special dispensation to fly from Glacier Point in Yosemite … :<br /> hang glider :<br /> <a href="http://c8.alamy.com/comp/A43J0N/hang-gliding-from-glacier-point-yosemite-national-park-A43J0N.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://c8.alamy.com/comp/A43J0N/hang-gliding-from-glacier-point-yosemite-national-park-A43J0N.jpg</a></p><p>… paragliders (which are technically ‘class 3 hang gliders’ under FAA regulations) were not granted the same dispensation, because from the ground a flying paraglider looks a (very) little like a BASE-jumper’s parachute and the rangers can’t be bothered to take the few minutes it would take to learn the difference :</p><p>A paraglider :<br /> <a href="http://www.seiseralm.it/media/727_x_545/6dfed48e-2cf4-42b5-ae68-c2f1bebef40a/paragliding-schlern.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.seiseralm.it/media/727_x_545/6dfed48e-2cf4-42b5-ae68-c2f1bebef40a/paragliding-schlern.jpg</a></p><p>A base-jumper’s parachute :<br /> <a href="http://il9.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/3438908/thumb/1.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://il9.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/3438908/thumb/1.jpg</a></p><p>So my advice is unless you have explicit, written permission to operate a drone from within a National Park I wouldn’t bother trying to do an end-run around the rules hoping you can talk your way out of an arrest 😉</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-57331-6741f98fbf459' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=57331&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-57331-6741f98fbf459' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-57331-6741f98fbf459'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a 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operator must maintain line of site.</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-60549-6741f98fbf93f' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=60549&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-60549-6741f98fbf93f' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-60549-6741f98fbf93f'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-60549" data-commentid="60549" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-60549" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Justin" aria-label="Reply to Justin">Reply</a></div></div></li><li class="comment even depth-2 parent" id="comment-60559"><div id="div-comment-60559" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/aec9bc11d52e89bbd51b140695e2fc5a?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/aec9bc11d52e89bbd51b140695e2fc5a?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn">Curt Martini</cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-60559">July 19, 2017 at 9:11 pm</a></div><p>This was my thought.<br /> And yes a a series of visual observers with radio communication can be used to maintain line of sight.<br /> The issue there is the limiting duration of the battery of the drone.</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-60559-6741f98fbfdc6' 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src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/a191dfb22bb18c2b005da2daf05b08b4?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/a191dfb22bb18c2b005da2daf05b08b4?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn">Steve</cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-60610">July 20, 2017 at 2:50 pm</a></div><p>Curt. The observers with radios inside the park could very likely be charged with ‘operating’ the drone as they are integral to its legal operation. I wouldn’t take a chance, at least not in Yosemite (see my comment above)</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-60610-6741f98fc0219' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=60610&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-60610-6741f98fc0219' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-60610-6741f98fc0219'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-60610" data-commentid="60610" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-60610" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Steve" aria-label="Reply to Steve">Reply</a></div></div></li><li class="comment even depth-3" id="comment-66809"><div id="div-comment-66809" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/d4bf6c452f1497224d8db61c9d321039?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/d4bf6c452f1497224d8db61c9d321039?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn">Joshua E. Cammer</cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-66809">November 29, 2021 at 9:40 am</a></div><p>Please check the regulations concerning (line of site) the pilot must be indirect contact with the observer (no radio) and unaided vision (scopes or binoculars) glasses are ok.</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-66809-6741f98fc068a' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=66809&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-66809-6741f98fc068a' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-66809-6741f98fc068a'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-66809" data-commentid="66809" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-66809" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Joshua E. Cammer" aria-label="Reply to Joshua E. Cammer">Reply</a></div></div></li></ul></li></ul></li><li class="comment odd alt thread-even depth-1" id="comment-61122"><div id="div-comment-61122" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/ea1ea217c1bd182328ddec95f1fc6d4d?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/ea1ea217c1bd182328ddec95f1fc6d4d?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn">jeremyjbauer</cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-61122">August 6, 2017 at 1:07 pm</a></div><p>Hello, I moved to SF a little over a month ago. When exploring flying in the Presidio, I found the following language on the Presidio Trust webpage (<a href="http://www.presidio.gov/presidio-trust/permits" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.presidio.gov/presidio-trust/permits</a>), “The Presidio Trust has no specific restrictions on the launching, landing, or operation of unmanned aircraft (aka “drones”) in Area B of the Presidio. However, resource protection, public use, and recreational activities are subject to Trust regulation under Title 36 of the Code of Federal Regulations, and drone related activities must be conducted in a manner not to conflict with those restrictions (for example, the regulatory prohibitions on frightening or disturbing wildlife, injuring or destroying cultural resources, or intentional creation of a public nuisance).</p><p>Please note that activities in Area A of the Presidio are regulated by the National Park Service (NPS). For information regarding the prohibition on unmanned aircraft in Area A, visit the National Park Service website.”</p><p>The inner area of the Presidio is considered Area B. See Fig. 1.4 in the following PDF: <a href="http://www.presidio.gov/presidio-trust/planning-internal/Shared%20Documents/Planning%20Documents/PLN-301-PTMP02-Plan.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.presidio.gov/presidio-trust/planning-internal/Shared%20Documents/Planning%20Documents/PLN-301-PTMP02-Plan.pdf</a></p><p>Given this, I don’t get how the entire Presidio is off limits…can anyone help clarify? Thanks!</p><p>Jeremy</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-61122-6741f98fc0b71' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=61122&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-61122-6741f98fc0b71' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-61122-6741f98fc0b71'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-61122" data-commentid="61122" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-61122" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to jeremyjbauer" aria-label="Reply to jeremyjbauer">Reply</a></div></div></li><li class="comment even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-61123"><div id="div-comment-61123" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/ea1ea217c1bd182328ddec95f1fc6d4d?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/ea1ea217c1bd182328ddec95f1fc6d4d?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn">jeremyjbauer</cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-61123">August 6, 2017 at 1:37 pm</a></div><p>Crap, ok, in digging even deeper, I did find the following language, “The entire Presidio remains a part of the Golden Gate National Recreation Area” on page E-3 of ” Golden Gate National Recreation Area (N.R.A.), Presidio of San Francisco, General Management Plan (GMP) Amendment: Environmental Impact Statement”, downloadable for free here: <a href="https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=4zw3AQAAMAAJ" rel="nofollow ugc">https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=4zw3AQAAMAAJ</a></p><p>The above language combined with “The public may not launch, land, or operate unmanned aircraft at Golden Gate National Recreation Area*.” listed here: <a href="https://www.nps.gov/goga/learn/news/no-drone-zone.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nps.gov/goga/learn/news/no-drone-zone.htm</a> confirms previous posts…sorry for the thinking out-loud…</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-61123-6741f98fc1076' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=61123&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-61123-6741f98fc1076' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-61123-6741f98fc1076'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-61123" data-commentid="61123" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-61123" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to jeremyjbauer" aria-label="Reply to jeremyjbauer">Reply</a></div></div></li><li class="comment odd alt thread-even depth-1" id="comment-61556"><div id="div-comment-61556" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/cc6c675846a39ca2fb7f5c87d832048c?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/cc6c675846a39ca2fb7f5c87d832048c?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn">Earle Waters</cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-61556">November 29, 2017 at 6:37 pm</a></div><p>Just before reading this I say some footage on instagram by bylr.c in the smoky mountain national park. How is that possible?</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-61556-6741f98fc152a' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=61556&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-61556-6741f98fc152a' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-61556-6741f98fc152a'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-61556" data-commentid="61556" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-61556" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Earle Waters" aria-label="Reply to Earle Waters">Reply</a></div></div></li><li class="comment even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 parent" id="comment-61567"><div id="div-comment-61567" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/a93db6db516fdef5631095a706254dc6?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/a93db6db516fdef5631095a706254dc6?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn">Richard</cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-61567">December 2, 2017 at 10:43 pm</a></div><p>Just shows how F’ed up our Gov rules and stuff are. We are not the land of the free, we are the land of the governed and regulated to death. I would just firggin do it if I wanted to and take the damn ticket. Criminals in CA are being let out of jail and they would arrest you for flying a drone LOL get the priorities straight. A misdemeanor is just a ticket. How much are you willing to pay for your photography is what it comes down to. So much BS in modern America any more. 99% of our laws need to be burned and forgotten…</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-61567-6741f98fc19aa' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=61567&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-61567-6741f98fc19aa' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-61567-6741f98fc19aa'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-61567" data-commentid="61567" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-61567" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Richard" aria-label="Reply to Richard">Reply</a></div></div><ul class="children"><li class="comment odd alt depth-2" id="comment-61670"><div id="div-comment-61670" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/33ba5b604a8daa4644a9d39dab0cba92?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/33ba5b604a8daa4644a9d39dab0cba92?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn">drg</cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-61670">January 24, 2018 at 7:17 am</a></div><p>Dick, If it weren’t for those pesky regulations our national parks would’ve been exploited to death long ago</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-61670-6741f98fc1e0d' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=61670&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-61670-6741f98fc1e0d' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-61670-6741f98fc1e0d'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-61670" data-commentid="61670" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-61670" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to drg" aria-label="Reply to drg">Reply</a></div></div></li></ul></li><li class="comment even thread-even depth-1 parent" id="comment-61587"><div id="div-comment-61587" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://graph.facebook.com/v2.9/1385448700/picture?type=large&_md5=bbf58185201c61343c09215e0ad5d0a3' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/281586e0aa7e650b7b747882be6556dc?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/1385448700/" class="url" rel="ugc external nofollow">Dickie Tilton</a></cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-61587">December 13, 2017 at 2:33 pm</a></div><p>Our National Parks were established for the preservation, protection, and enjoyment of nature. I love flying, but I also love being in nature. Even in the busiest National Parks, a short hike can provide a unique and precious experience. There is NO WAY that a drone- or a swarm of drones- is compatible with that experience. Don’t be a Dick, Richard!</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-61587-6741f98fc22d8' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=61587&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-61587-6741f98fc22d8' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-61587-6741f98fc22d8'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-61587" data-commentid="61587" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-61587" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Dickie Tilton" aria-label="Reply to Dickie Tilton">Reply</a></div></div><ul class="children"><li class="comment odd alt depth-2" id="comment-61591"><div id="div-comment-61591" class="comment-body"><div class="comment-author vcard"> <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2d6dc52e4f57225004252bb32f80e36f?s=32&d=identicon&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2d6dc52e4f57225004252bb32f80e36f?s=64&d=identicon&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'/> <cite class="fn">Vincent Schaaf</cite> <span class="says">says:</span></div><div class="comment-meta commentmetadata"> <a href="https://www.thedronegirl.com/2017/02/02/drone-national-park-presidio/#comment-61591">December 16, 2017 at 12:36 am</a></div><p>The presidio is in no way nature. Have you been there? It’s an old military barracks lol. And what’s more bothersome? Me and my drone at 400’ that you wouldn’t know was there, or me with my dslr and a tripod?</p><div class='jetpack-comment-likes-widget-wrapper jetpack-likes-widget-unloaded' id='like-comment-wrapper-112205699-61591-6741f98fc2728' data-src='https://widgets.wp.com/likes/#blog_id=112205699&comment_id=61591&origin=www.thedronegirl.com&obj_id=112205699-61591-6741f98fc2728' data-name='like-comment-frame-112205699-61591-6741f98fc2728'><div class='likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes-widget-placeholder comment-likes'><span class='loading'>Loading...</span></div><div class='comment-likes-widget jetpack-likes-widget comment-likes'><span class='comment-like-feedback'></span><span class='sd-text-color'></span><a class='sd-link-color'></a></div></div><div class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="#comment-61591" data-commentid="61591" data-postid="7188" data-belowelement="div-comment-61591" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="Reply to Vincent Schaaf" 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