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<span>ZZB</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ZZB-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Personal_Weather_Websites" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Personal_Weather_Websites"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Personal Weather Websites</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Personal_Weather_Websites-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed_decision" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed_decision"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Requests for arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed decision</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed_decision-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-RD_boldness" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#RD_boldness"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>RD boldness</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-RD_boldness-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Quick_question" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Quick_question"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Quick question</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Quick_question-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User_talk:AndreaTrue77" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User_talk:AndreaTrue77"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>User talk:AndreaTrue77</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-User_talk:AndreaTrue77-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ArbCom_injuctions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ArbCom_injuctions"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>ArbCom injuctions</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-ArbCom_injuctions-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Tenmei_and_Nick_Dowling" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Tenmei_and_Nick_Dowling"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Tenmei and Nick Dowling</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Tenmei_and_Nick_Dowling-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Suite_Life" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Suite_Life"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Suite Life</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Suite_Life-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Unblock" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Unblock"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Unblock</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Unblock-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Jerk?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Jerk?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Jerk?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Jerk?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Can_you_do_me_a_favor?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Can_you_do_me_a_favor?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Can you do me a favor?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Can_you_do_me_a_favor?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Fragments_of_Jade" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Fragments_of_Jade"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Fragments of Jade</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">27 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Fragments_of_Jade-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Fragments of Jade subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Fragments_of_Jade-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-For_the_Record" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#For_the_Record"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21.1</span> <span>For the Record</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-For_the_Record-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Your_accusations_of_sexual_harrasment_on_my_talk_page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Your_accusations_of_sexual_harrasment_on_my_talk_page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Your accusations of sexual harrasment on my talk page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Your_accusations_of_sexual_harrasment_on_my_talk_page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Re:_Thanks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Re:_Thanks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Re: Thanks</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Re:_Thanks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Grawp" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Grawp"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Grawp</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Grawp-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-OrangeMarlin_mentorship" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#OrangeMarlin_mentorship"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>OrangeMarlin mentorship</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 comments</span> <ul id="toc-OrangeMarlin_mentorship-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Confusion_over_the_plural_of_'bureau'" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Confusion_over_the_plural_of_'bureau'"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>Confusion over the plural of 'bureau'</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Confusion_over_the_plural_of_'bureau'-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Re:" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Re:"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Re:</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Re:-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Email" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Email"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Email</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Email-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-My_fan" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#My_fan"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>My fan</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-My_fan-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Doc_Pomus_issues" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Doc_Pomus_issues"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Doc Pomus issues</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Doc_Pomus_issues-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_Voice_of_Cheese" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_Voice_of_Cheese"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>The Voice of Cheese</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-The_Voice_of_Cheese-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Martin_Luther_King,_Jr." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Martin_Luther_King,_Jr."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>Martin Luther King, Jr.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-just_out_of_curiosity..." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#just_out_of_curiosity..."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>just out of curiosity...</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-just_out_of_curiosity...-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Italian_names_in_musical_instrument_template" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Italian_names_in_musical_instrument_template"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Italian names in musical instrument template</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Italian_names_in_musical_instrument_template-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Benkenobi is a retardate</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Paul_Deezer" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Paul_Deezer"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Paul Deezer</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Paul_Deezer-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Advice" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Advice"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Advice</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Advice-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Block_log_borking" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Block_log_borking"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Block log borking</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">10 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Block_log_borking-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Sean_Smith" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sean_Smith"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>Sean Smith</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Sean_Smith-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Mooretwin" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Mooretwin"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Mooretwin</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Mooretwin-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Civility_paroles" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Civility_paroles"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>Civility paroles</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Civility_paroles-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-200.215.40.3's_socks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#200.215.40.3's_socks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>200.215.40.3's socks</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-200.215.40.3's_socks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Orangemarlin" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Orangemarlin"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Orangemarlin</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Orangemarlin-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User_talk:Tennesseetrumpet" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User_talk:Tennesseetrumpet"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>User talk:Tennesseetrumpet</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-User_talk:Tennesseetrumpet-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User_216.235.145.178" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User_216.235.145.178"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>User 216.235.145.178</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-User_216.235.145.178-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Do_you_remember" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Do_you_remember"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Do you remember</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Do_you_remember-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-CorticoSpinal_(talk_·_contribs)_sockpuppets" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#CorticoSpinal_(talk_·_contribs)_sockpuppets"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>CorticoSpinal (talk <b>·</b> contribs) sockpuppets</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-CorticoSpinal_(talk_·_contribs)_sockpuppets-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Proposed_decision_-Alastair_Haines" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Proposed_decision_-Alastair_Haines"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>Proposed decision -Alastair Haines</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Proposed_decision_-Alastair_Haines-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User:Spoilydoily" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User:Spoilydoily"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>User:Spoilydoily</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-User:Spoilydoily-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Note" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Note"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>Note</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Note-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Utah_Wikipedia_Meetup" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Utah_Wikipedia_Meetup"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>Utah Wikipedia Meetup</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Utah_Wikipedia_Meetup-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User_talk:Godheval" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User_talk:Godheval"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>User talk:Godheval</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-User_talk:Godheval-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Winning_finding" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Winning_finding"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>Winning finding</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Winning_finding-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Civility" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Civility"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Civility</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Civility-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Nine?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Nine?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>Nine?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Nine?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Hold_on_close_in_C68-SV-FM" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Hold_on_close_in_C68-SV-FM"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56</span> <span>Hold on close in C68-SV-FM</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Hold_on_close_in_C68-SV-FM-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Insinuations" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Insinuations"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57</span> <span>Insinuations</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Insinuations-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Barnstar" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Barnstar"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">58</span> <span>Barnstar</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Barnstar-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User:Allknowingallseeing" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User:Allknowingallseeing"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59</span> <span>User:Allknowingallseeing</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-User:Allknowingallseeing-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">60</span> <span>Question</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Multiple_Accounts" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Multiple_Accounts"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">61</span> <span>Multiple Accounts</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Multiple_Accounts-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-You've_got_email!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#You've_got_email!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">62</span> <span>You've got email!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-You've_got_email!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Block_of_User:Filthy_Ice_Cream_And_Hot_Chocolate_Syrup" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Block_of_User:Filthy_Ice_Cream_And_Hot_Chocolate_Syrup"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">63</span> <span>Block of User:Filthy Ice Cream And Hot Chocolate Syrup</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Block_of_User:Filthy_Ice_Cream_And_Hot_Chocolate_Syrup-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-TV_spot_edits" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#TV_spot_edits"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">64</span> <span>TV spot edits</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-TV_spot_edits-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Virgin_America_Arbitration_Filing" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Virgin_America_Arbitration_Filing"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">65</span> <span>Virgin America Arbitration Filing</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Virgin_America_Arbitration_Filing-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Proposed_decision_-_Sarah_Palin_protection_wheel_war" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Proposed_decision_-_Sarah_Palin_protection_wheel_war"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">66</span> <span>Proposed decision - Sarah Palin protection wheel war</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Proposed_decision_-_Sarah_Palin_protection_wheel_war-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-RFAr_sig" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#RFAr_sig"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">67</span> <span>RFAr sig</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-RFAr_sig-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Possible_Rangeblock_on_"Stalker"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Possible_Rangeblock_on_"Stalker""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">68</span> <span>Possible Rangeblock on "Stalker"</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Possible_Rangeblock_on_"Stalker"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Proposed_decision_-_Abtract-Collectonian" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Proposed_decision_-_Abtract-Collectonian"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">69</span> <span>Proposed decision - Abtract-Collectonian</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Proposed_decision_-_Abtract-Collectonian-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-IMS_Associates,_Inc." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#IMS_Associates,_Inc."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">70</span> <span>IMS Associates, Inc.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-IMS_Associates,_Inc.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-\piss_off" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#\piss_off"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">71</span> <span>\piss off</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-\piss_off-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Just_in_case_you_missed_it" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Just_in_case_you_missed_it"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">72</span> <span>Just in case you missed it</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Just_in_case_you_missed_it-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Anon_Block?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Anon_Block?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">73</span> <span>Anon Block?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Anon_Block?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Jeremiah_Wright" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Jeremiah_Wright"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">74</span> <span>Jeremiah Wright</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Jeremiah_Wright-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Another_IP_range" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Another_IP_range"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">75</span> <span>Another IP range</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Another_IP_range-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Thank_you" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Thank_you"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">76</span> <span>Thank you</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Thank_you-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-request" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#request"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">77</span> <span>request</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-request-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Happy_Jpgordon/Archive_4's_Day!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Happy_Jpgordon/Archive_4's_Day!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">78</span> <span>Happy Jpgordon/Archive 4's Day!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Happy_Jpgordon/Archive_4's_Day!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Three_years" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Three_years"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">79</span> <span>Three years</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Three_years-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-/26_rangeblock" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#/26_rangeblock"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">80</span> <span>/26 rangeblock</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-/26_rangeblock-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User_Whereistheproof" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User_Whereistheproof"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">81</span> <span>User Whereistheproof</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-User_Whereistheproof-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Haines" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Haines"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">82</span> <span>Haines</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Haines-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">83</span> <span>November Arb stuff - RFArb page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Blog_Links" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Blog_Links"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">84</span> <span>Blog Links</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Blog_Links-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Et_tu,_Brute?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Et_tu,_Brute?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">85</span> <span><i>Et tu, Brute</i>?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Et_tu,_Brute?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-FT2_and_David_Gerard" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#FT2_and_David_Gerard"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">86</span> <span>FT2 and David Gerard</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">23 comments</span> <ul id="toc-FT2_and_David_Gerard-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Holocaust_Talk_Page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Holocaust_Talk_Page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">87</span> <span>Holocaust Talk Page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Holocaust_Talk_Page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-OrangeMarlin_AN/I_posting" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#OrangeMarlin_AN/I_posting"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">88</span> <span>OrangeMarlin AN/I posting</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-OrangeMarlin_AN/I_posting-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Moronicbajebus" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Moronicbajebus"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">89</span> <span>Moronicbajebus</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Moronicbajebus-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Talk_pages" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Talk_pages"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">90</span> <span>Talk pages</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Talk_pages-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-no_need_for_bitchy_edit" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#no_need_for_bitchy_edit"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">91</span> <span>no need for bitchy edit</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-no_need_for_bitchy_edit-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Thanks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Thanks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">92</span> <span>Thanks</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Thanks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-user_Malik_Shabazz_brroke_WP:3RR" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#user_Malik_Shabazz_brroke_WP:3RR"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">93</span> <span>user Malik Shabazz brroke WP:3RR</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-user_Malik_Shabazz_brroke_WP:3RR-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Arbcom_ignoring_myself" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Arbcom_ignoring_myself"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">94</span> <span>Arbcom ignoring myself</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Arbcom_ignoring_myself-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Facilitate_a_move_of_an_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Facilitate_a_move_of_an_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">95</span> <span>Facilitate a move of an article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Facilitate_a_move_of_an_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Your_question_in_an_edit_summary" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Your_question_in_an_edit_summary"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">96</span> <span>Your question in an edit summary</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Your_question_in_an_edit_summary-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Vuerqex" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Vuerqex"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">97</span> <span>Vuerqex</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Vuerqex-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Possible_typo_on_Checkuser_page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Possible_typo_on_Checkuser_page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">98</span> <span>Possible typo on Checkuser page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Possible_typo_on_Checkuser_page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Holocaust_Article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Holocaust_Article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">99</span> <span>Holocaust Article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Holocaust_Article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User_talk:Danelkayam" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User_talk:Danelkayam"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">100</span> <span>User talk:Danelkayam</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-User_talk:Danelkayam-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Removing_edit" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Removing_edit"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">101</span> <span>Removing edit</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Removing_edit-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-CSI_WP:RFAR/Scientology" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#CSI_WP:RFAR/Scientology"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">102</span> <span>CSI WP:RFAR/Scientology</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-CSI_WP:RFAR/Scientology-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-pester_power_:-)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#pester_power_:-)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">103</span> <span>pester power :-)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-pester_power_:-)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wikipedia:RFAR#Motions_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikipedia:RFAR#Motions_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">104</span> <span>Wikipedia:RFAR#Motions_2</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Wikipedia:RFAR#Motions_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Pity" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Pity"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">105</span> <span>Pity</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Pity-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Sockofadix" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sockofadix"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">106</span> <span>Sockofadix</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Sockofadix-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Yeah,_about_Fadix..." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Yeah,_about_Fadix..."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">107</span> <span>Yeah, about Fadix...</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Yeah,_about_Fadix...-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Is_there_something_that_I_am_missing?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Is_there_something_that_I_am_missing?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">108</span> <span>Is there something that I am missing?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Is_there_something_that_I_am_missing?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Testifying_in_court" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Testifying_in_court"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">109</span> <span>Testifying in court</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Testifying_in_court-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Unblock_Request_Notification" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Unblock_Request_Notification"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">110</span> <span>Unblock Request Notification</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Unblock_Request_Notification-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Kosher_Tax" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Kosher_Tax"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">111</span> <span>Kosher Tax</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Kosher_Tax-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Potential_sockpuppet" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Potential_sockpuppet"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">112</span> <span>Potential sockpuppet</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Potential_sockpuppet-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User_talk:J._P._GORDON_IS_TEH_AWESOME_ZORS!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User_talk:J._P._GORDON_IS_TEH_AWESOME_ZORS!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">113</span> <span>User talk:J. P. GORDON IS TEH AWESOME ZORS!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-User_talk:J._P._GORDON_IS_TEH_AWESOME_ZORS!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Interesting" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Interesting"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">114</span> <span>Interesting</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Interesting-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User:AndrewCrogonklol" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User:AndrewCrogonklol"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">115</span> <span>User:AndrewCrogonklol</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-User:AndrewCrogonklol-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Seasons_Greetings" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Seasons_Greetings"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">116</span> <span>Seasons Greetings</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Seasons_Greetings-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Seasons Greetings subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Seasons_Greetings-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Merry_Christmas_from_Promethean" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Merry_Christmas_from_Promethean"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">116.1</span> <span>Merry Christmas from Promethean</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Merry_Christmas_from_Promethean-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Checkuser" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Checkuser"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">117</span> <span>Checkuser</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Checkuser-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Happy_New_Year!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Happy_New_Year!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">118</span> <span>Happy New Year!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Happy_New_Year!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Mostly_an_FYI" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Mostly_an_FYI"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">119</span> <span>Mostly an FYI</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Mostly_an_FYI-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Red_diaper_baby" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Red_diaper_baby"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">120</span> <span>Red diaper baby</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Red_diaper_baby-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Deeceevoice" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Deeceevoice"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">121</span> <span>Deeceevoice</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Deeceevoice-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Worldly_possessions,_etc" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Worldly_possessions,_etc"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">122</span> <span>Worldly possessions, etc</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Worldly_possessions,_etc-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Orangemarlin_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Orangemarlin_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">123</span> <span>Orangemarlin</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Orangemarlin_2-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Orangemarlin subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Orangemarlin_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-UAA/AFD_incident_with_this_user" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#UAA/AFD_incident_with_this_user"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">123.1</span> <span>UAA/AFD incident with this user</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-UAA/AFD_incident_with_this_user-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Cast_your_mind_back..." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Cast_your_mind_back..."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">124</span> <span>Cast your mind back...</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Cast_your_mind_back...-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Protection_of_Joseph_Stalin_the_right_move,_but" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Protection_of_Joseph_Stalin_the_right_move,_but"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">125</span> <span>Protection of Joseph Stalin the right move, but</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Protection_of_Joseph_Stalin_the_right_move,_but-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Motivez" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Motivez"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">126</span> <span>Motivez</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Motivez-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Your_opinion,_please" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Your_opinion,_please"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">127</span> <span>Your opinion, please</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Your_opinion,_please-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Block_of_AzureFury" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Block_of_AzureFury"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">128</span> <span>Block of AzureFury</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Block_of_AzureFury-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Abusive_User" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Abusive_User"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">129</span> <span>Abusive User</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Abusive_User-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Anti-Semitism" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Anti-Semitism"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">130</span> <span>Anti-Semitism</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Anti-Semitism-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Anti-Semitism subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Anti-Semitism-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Spelling" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Spelling"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">130.1</span> <span>Spelling</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Spelling-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Redux" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Redux"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">131</span> <span>Redux</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Redux-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">132</span> <span>Re: The Chosen (Chaim Potok)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ssp" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ssp"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">133</span> <span>ssp</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-ssp-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-stomping_on_toes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#stomping_on_toes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">134</span> <span>stomping on toes</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-stomping_on_toes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-can_i_be_a_wikipedia_sysop" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#can_i_be_a_wikipedia_sysop"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">135</span> <span>can i be a wikipedia sysop</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-can_i_be_a_wikipedia_sysop-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reso_uke" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reso_uke"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">136</span> <span>Reso uke</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Reso_uke-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-You_have" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#You_have"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">137</span> <span>You have</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-You_have-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Holocaust_Lead" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Holocaust_Lead"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">138</span> <span>Holocaust Lead</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Holocaust_Lead-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">139</span> <span>Can you make any sense of this?[18]</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wikipedia_Signpost,_February_8,_2009" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikipedia_Signpost,_February_8,_2009"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">140</span> <span><i>Wikipedia Signpost</i>, February 8, 2009</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Wikipedia_Signpost,_February_8,_2009-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Sock_confirmation_question" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sock_confirmation_question"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">141</span> <span>Sock confirmation question</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Sock_confirmation_question-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Notes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Notes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">142</span> <span>Notes</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Notes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Request_to_allow_holocaust_denial" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Request_to_allow_holocaust_denial"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">143</span> <span>Request to allow holocaust denial</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Request_to_allow_holocaust_denial-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_sleeper_sock" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_sleeper_sock"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">144</span> <span>A sleeper sock</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-A_sleeper_sock-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-You_are_a_Racist" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#You_are_a_Racist"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">145</span> <span>You are a Racist</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-You_are_a_Racist-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-LAShTAL.com" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#LAShTAL.com"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">146</span> <span>LAShTAL.com</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-LAShTAL.com-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_Little_Request" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_Little_Request"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">147</span> <span>A Little Request</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-A_Little_Request-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-IP_Unblock" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#IP_Unblock"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">148</span> <span>IP Unblock</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 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class="mbox-text" style="text-align:center">This is an <b><a href="/wiki/Help:Archiving_a_talk_page" title="Help:Archiving a talk page">archive</a></b> of past discussions with <a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">User:Jpgordon</a>. <b>Do not edit the contents of this page.</b> If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">current talk page</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <table style="text-align:center;margin:0 auto 0.5em;max-width:50em;width:100%;width:-moz-available;width:-webkit-fill-available;width:stretch"><tbody><tr><td><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_1" title="User talk:Jpgordon/Archive 1">Archive 1</a></td><td><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_2" title="User talk:Jpgordon/Archive 2">Archive 2</a></td><td><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_3" title="User talk:Jpgordon/Archive 3">Archive 3</a></td><td><span style="font-size:115%;"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Archive 4</a></span></td><td><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_5" title="User talk:Jpgordon/Archive 5">Archive 5</a></td><td><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_6" title="User talk:Jpgordon/Archive 6">Archive 6</a></td><td>→</td><td><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_10" title="User talk:Jpgordon/Archive 10">Archive 10</a></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sean_Carasov" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sean_Carasov-2008-07-19T16:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sean_Carasov-2008-07-19T16:04:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Sean_Carasov&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Sean Carasov (page does not exist)">Sean Carasov</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sean_Carasov-2008-07-19T16:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theplansthattheyhavemade-2008-07-19T16:04:00.000Z-Sean_Carasov"></span>Please could you restore this? It had references from a news article and a published book, proving its notability.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Theplansthattheyhavemade&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Theplansthattheyhavemade (page does not exist)">Theplansthattheyhavemade</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Theplansthattheyhavemade&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Theplansthattheyhavemade (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Theplansthattheyhavemade-2008-07-19T16:04:00.000Z-Sean_Carasov" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theplansthattheyhavemade-2008-07-19T16:04:00.000Z-Sean_Carasov"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theplansthattheyhavemade-2008-07-19T16:04:00.000Z-Sean_Carasov"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T16:08:00.000Z-Theplansthattheyhavemade-2008-07-19T16:04:00.000Z"></span>No, I don't think so. You may apply to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">Wikipedia:Deletion review</a> to see if you can get some traction, but sourcing things with ED garbage won't help. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T16:08:00.000Z-Theplansthattheyhavemade-2008-07-19T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T16:08:00.000Z-Theplansthattheyhavemade-2008-07-19T16:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T16:08:00.000Z-Theplansthattheyhavemade-2008-07-19T16:04:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T16:14:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T16:08:00.000Z"></span>And don't put it in a user subpage either. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">WP:BLP</a> is pretty strict about that. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T16:14:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T16:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 19 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T16:14:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T16:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T16:14:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T16:08:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sceptre-2008-07-19T20:49:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T16:14:00.000Z"></span>He's restored it. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Sceptre" title="User:Sceptre">Sceptre</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sceptre" title="User talk:Sceptre">talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Sceptre-2008-07-19T20:49:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T16:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sceptre-2008-07-19T20:49:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T16:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sceptre-2008-07-19T20:49:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T16:14:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T20:57:00.000Z-Sceptre-2008-07-19T20:49:00.000Z"></span>Such twittery. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T20:57:00.000Z-Sceptre-2008-07-19T20:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T20:57:00.000Z-Sceptre-2008-07-19T20:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T20:57:00.000Z-Sceptre-2008-07-19T20:49:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sceptre-2008-07-19T21:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T20:57:00.000Z"></span>Guess ethnic POV pushers aren't the most stupid and predictable. That honour goes to the anti-Scientology lot. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Sceptre" title="User:Sceptre">Sceptre</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sceptre" title="User talk:Sceptre">talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Sceptre-2008-07-19T21:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T20:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 19 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sceptre-2008-07-19T21:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T20:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sceptre-2008-07-19T21:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T20:57:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><sup class="noprint Inline-Template Template-Fact" style="white-space:nowrap;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T21:05:00.000Z-Sceptre-2008-07-19T21:02:00.000Z"></span>[<i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources.">citation needed</span></a></i>]</sup> --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T21:05:00.000Z-Sceptre-2008-07-19T21:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T21:05:00.000Z-Sceptre-2008-07-19T21:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T21:05:00.000Z-Sceptre-2008-07-19T21:02:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sceptre-2008-07-19T21:28:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T21:05:00.000Z"></span><redacted><b><a href="/wiki/User:Sceptre" title="User:Sceptre">Sceptre</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sceptre" title="User talk:Sceptre">talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Sceptre-2008-07-19T21:28:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T21:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sceptre-2008-07-19T21:28:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T21:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sceptre-2008-07-19T21:28:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T21:05:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T21:34:00.000Z-Sceptre-2008-07-19T21:28:00.000Z"></span>I'd just as soon not have that shit on my talk page, y'know? --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T21:34:00.000Z-Sceptre-2008-07-19T21:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 19 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T21:34:00.000Z-Sceptre-2008-07-19T21:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-19T21:34:00.000Z-Sceptre-2008-07-19T21:28:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Arbitration_Case" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arbitration_Case-2008-07-13T17:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arbitration_Case-2008-07-13T17:19:00.000Z"></span>Arbitration Case<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arbitration_Case-2008-07-13T17:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T17:19:00.000Z-Arbitration_Case"></span>I don't doubt that you've seen it, but I'd like to formally point you towards <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed_decision#Proposed_motions%7Cthis">[1]</a> motion on the C68-FM-SV case. The continuing delay, resulting from refusal to arbitrate, of this case is getting beyond a joke and I personally find it unacceptable. Many in the community are as a result of this delay calling Arbcom's very existence into question. The refusal to come to a conclusion, echoing the MM case amongst others, demonstrates that Arbcom is no longer willing to deal with long-term problematic behaviour and is giving a free pass to those involved. What is worse is that even the vote to dismiss is being delayed. Please vote there as soon as possible, because the community needs some kind of closure and to prolong the case further is a disservice to the many editors who have spent time preparing the case. I'm posting this to your talk page as you are a sitting arbitrator, and I will be doing similar on the others'. Thank you, --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.145.83.124" title="Special:Contributions/78.145.83.124">78.145.83.124</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:78.145.83.124" title="User talk:78.145.83.124">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T17:19:00.000Z-Arbitration_Case" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 13 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T17:19:00.000Z-Arbitration_Case"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T17:19:00.000Z-Arbitration_Case"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-13T20:04:00.000Z-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T17:19:00.000Z"></span>Who is speaking? --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-13T20:04:00.000Z-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T17:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 13 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-13T20:04:00.000Z-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T17:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-13T20:04:00.000Z-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T17:19:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T22:34:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-13T20:04:00.000Z"></span>I'm not sure what you mean. I'm not about to post personal details, if that's what you mean (?). Besides, what does it matter who I am? --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.145.83.124" title="Special:Contributions/78.145.83.124">78.145.83.124</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:78.145.83.124" title="User talk:78.145.83.124">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T22:34:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-13T20:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T22:34:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-13T20:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T22:34:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-13T20:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-13T23:44:00.000Z-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T22:34:00.000Z"></span>What does it matter what your opinion is, then? --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-13T23:44:00.000Z-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T22:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-13T23:44:00.000Z-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T22:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-13T23:44:00.000Z-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T22:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T19:06:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-13T23:44:00.000Z"></span>You have the right to ignore questions, but not so much to respond with rhetorical questions that run counter to the standard wiki-approach. (FWIW, I'm not the IP.) --<span style="font-family:Georgia"><a href="/wiki/User:Relata_refero" title="User:Relata refero">Relata refero</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Relata_refero" title="User talk:Relata refero">disp.</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T19:06:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-13T23:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T19:06:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-13T23:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T19:06:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-13T23:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T19:24:00.000Z-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T19:06:00.000Z"></span>No, actually, I have entirely the right to ignore anonymous opinions; they are of no value. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T19:24:00.000Z-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T19:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 17 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T19:24:00.000Z-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T19:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T19:24:00.000Z-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T19:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T19:35:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T19:24:00.000Z"></span>The above statement merely restates the problem, namely that <i>you</i> assign no value to an opinion if 'anonymous'. As I have already pointed out, this is markedly inappropriate in an encyclopaedia which anyone can edit, particularly from an account that is, to my surprise, apparently on ArbCom. Further, I think you should re-examine your somewhat contrived and artificial distinction between "anonymous" and "pseudonymous". --<span style="font-family:Georgia"><a href="/wiki/User:Relata_refero" title="User:Relata refero">Relata refero</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Relata_refero" title="User talk:Relata refero">disp.</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T19:35:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T19:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T19:35:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T19:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T19:35:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T19:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T20:44:00.000Z-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T19:35:00.000Z"></span>I've no problem with anonymous people editing articles; the identity of someone editing an article is irrelevant, because of Wikipedia's policies regarding verifiability, NPOV, and so on. The wiki-political opinions of anonymous IPs do not fall under that rubric, and there's as much reason to attend to random anonymous opinions as there is to attend to scribblings on bathroom walls. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T20:44:00.000Z-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T19:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T20:44:00.000Z-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T19:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T20:44:00.000Z-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T19:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T22:54:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T20:44:00.000Z"></span>There is absolutely no logic to that. On WP we are supposed to consider the quality of opinions and arguments rather than the history of the commenter, regardless of where on the project those comments are made, on article talk or in projectspace. Fortunately, one does not require a contribs history to parse simple English. --<span style="font-family:Georgia"><a href="/wiki/User:Relata_refero" title="User:Relata refero">Relata refero</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Relata_refero" title="User talk:Relata refero">disp.</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T22:54:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T20:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T22:54:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T20:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T22:54:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T20:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T23:18:00.000Z-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T22:54:00.000Z"></span>Whatever. If you want to take guidance from random unidentified and unidentifiable strangers, feel free. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T23:18:00.000Z-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T22:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T23:18:00.000Z-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T22:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T23:18:00.000Z-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T22:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T23:26:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T23:18:00.000Z"></span>I do. (For example, a good proportion of ArbCom is "unidentifiable".) And you shouldn't choose to ignore and insult them. --<span style="font-family:Georgia"><a href="/wiki/User:Relata_refero" title="User:Relata refero">Relata refero</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Relata_refero" title="User talk:Relata refero">disp.</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T23:26:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T23:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T23:26:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T23:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T23:26:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T23:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T23:31:00.000Z-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T23:26:00.000Z"></span>Your opinion is noted. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T23:31:00.000Z-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T23:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T23:31:00.000Z-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T23:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T23:31:00.000Z-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T23:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T23:34:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T23:31:00.000Z"></span>Oh, hooray. Now I can die happy. --<span style="font-family:Georgia"><a href="/wiki/User:Relata_refero" title="User:Relata refero">Relata refero</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Relata_refero" title="User talk:Relata refero">disp.</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T23:34:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T23:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:34, 17 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T23:34:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T23:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Relata_refero-2008-07-17T23:34:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-17T23:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MBisanz-2008-07-14T06:14:00.000Z-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T17:19:00.000Z"></span>And this would be the reason I strongly dislike our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOCK">WP:SOCK</a> policy's exemption for segregating edits to avoid harassment. I could probably block under the privatemusings ruling against segregating edits for policy debates, but seeing as he's posted to several arbs pages, and none of you have seen fit to block him, I'll just drop the matter for the time being. <b><a href="/wiki/User:MBisanz" title="User:MBisanz"><span style="color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;">MBisanz</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MBisanz" title="User talk:MBisanz"><span style="color: #FFA500;">talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-MBisanz-2008-07-14T06:14:00.000Z-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T17:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MBisanz-2008-07-14T06:14:00.000Z-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T17:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MBisanz-2008-07-14T06:14:00.000Z-78.145.83.124-2008-07-13T17:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-14T13:16:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-07-14T06:14:00.000Z"></span>There are lots of aspects of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOCK">WP:SOCK</a> I dislike; I firmly believe in one person, one account. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-14T13:16:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-07-14T06:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-14T13:16:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-07-14T06:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-14T13:16:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-07-14T06:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cla68-2008-07-18T02:49:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-14T13:16:00.000Z"></span>Does that also apply to all the parties in the current Cla68/FeloniousMonk/SlimVirgin case? <a href="/wiki/User:Cla68" title="User:Cla68">Cla68</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cla68" title="User talk:Cla68">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Cla68-2008-07-18T02:49:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-14T13:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cla68-2008-07-18T02:49:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-14T13:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cla68-2008-07-18T02:49:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-14T13:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-18T03:55:00.000Z-Cla68-2008-07-18T02:49:00.000Z"></span>My position on the use of multiple accounts has always been far more restrictive than Wikipedia policy. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-18T03:55:00.000Z-Cla68-2008-07-18T02:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-18T03:55:00.000Z-Cla68-2008-07-18T02:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-18T03:55:00.000Z-Cla68-2008-07-18T02:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-89.240.112.198-2008-07-22T14:50:00.000Z-Arbitration_Case"></span>Just in case anyone was wondering, I'm not a sock of anyone. I don't even have a user account, and don't see why I should be required to have one to have my opinion count. Now, would you kindly respond to my original message without making ad hominem dimissals? I am a member of the community just as much as is anyone with a user account. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/89.240.112.198" title="Special:Contributions/89.240.112.198">89.240.112.198</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:89.240.112.198&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:89.240.112.198 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-89.240.112.198-2008-07-22T14:50:00.000Z-Arbitration_Case" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-89.240.112.198-2008-07-22T14:50:00.000Z-Arbitration_Case"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-89.240.112.198-2008-07-22T14:50:00.000Z-Arbitration_Case"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-22T15:11:00.000Z-89.240.112.198-2008-07-22T14:50:00.000Z"></span>No, actually, you're not. Express your opinion in an RFA or an AFD and see how far you get. Or try to vote for ArbCom or trustees. Anonymous IPs have limited rights on Wikipedia, and as far as I'm concerned, one of the limits is that I personally don't pay attention to their non-mainspace contributions. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-22T15:11:00.000Z-89.240.112.198-2008-07-22T14:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-22T15:11:00.000Z-89.240.112.198-2008-07-22T14:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-22T15:11:00.000Z-89.240.112.198-2008-07-22T14:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-89.240.112.198-2008-07-22T15:24:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-22T15:11:00.000Z"></span>So, as I asked, and without making ad hominem comments this time, would you kindly respond to my original message? I am just trying to make a civil good-faith request, and it is disappointing to see an arbitrator treating me this way in response. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/89.240.112.198" title="Special:Contributions/89.240.112.198">89.240.112.198</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:89.240.112.198&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:89.240.112.198 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-89.240.112.198-2008-07-22T15:24:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-22T15:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 22 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-89.240.112.198-2008-07-22T15:24:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-22T15:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-89.240.112.198-2008-07-22T15:24:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-22T15:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MBisanz-2008-07-22T16:03:00.000Z-89.240.112.198-2008-07-22T15:24:00.000Z"></span>FYI: the next troll-y IP post to this page is gonna result in a rather broad, long, hard, rangeblock. Go log into your main account and edit some articles and we'll all be much happier. <b><a href="/wiki/User:MBisanz" title="User:MBisanz"><span style="color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;">MBisanz</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MBisanz" title="User talk:MBisanz"><span style="color: #FFA500;">talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-MBisanz-2008-07-22T16:03:00.000Z-89.240.112.198-2008-07-22T15:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MBisanz-2008-07-22T16:03:00.000Z-89.240.112.198-2008-07-22T15:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MBisanz-2008-07-22T16:03:00.000Z-89.240.112.198-2008-07-22T15:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.13.135.93-2008-07-22T21:25:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-07-22T16:03:00.000Z"></span>Excuse me, but can you please assume good faith and be civil? Please don't threaten me with a block, I'm just some guy who has a question and I don't believe I've done anyhing wrong in asking politely for an answer to it. I have no main account, as I have already stated - run a checkuser on me if you don't believe me. Back to the subject at hand... --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/84.13.135.93" title="Special:Contributions/84.13.135.93">84.13.135.93</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:84.13.135.93&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:84.13.135.93 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-84.13.135.93-2008-07-22T21:25:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-07-22T16:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84.13.135.93-2008-07-22T21:25:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-07-22T16:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-84.13.135.93-2008-07-22T21:25:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-07-22T16:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MBisanz-2008-07-22T22:48:00.000Z-84.13.135.93-2008-07-22T21:25:00.000Z"></span>Well, you've jumped 3 IPs on a broad range since this conversation started, so next post will be a hardblock of all of them. <b><a href="/wiki/User:MBisanz" title="User:MBisanz"><span style="color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;">MBisanz</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MBisanz" title="User talk:MBisanz"><span style="color: #FFA500;">talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-MBisanz-2008-07-22T22:48:00.000Z-84.13.135.93-2008-07-22T21:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 22 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MBisanz-2008-07-22T22:48:00.000Z-84.13.135.93-2008-07-22T21:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MBisanz-2008-07-22T22:48:00.000Z-84.13.135.93-2008-07-22T21:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-22T22:56:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-07-22T22:48:00.000Z"></span>Eh. I'm perfectly capable of ignoring him. If he's not annoying anyone else, don't worry about me. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-22T22:56:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-07-22T22:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-22T22:56:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-07-22T22:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-22T22:56:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-07-22T22:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MBisanz-2008-07-22T23:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-22T22:56:00.000Z"></span>Ok, just trying to follow <a href="http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/DefendEachOther" class="extiw" title="meatball:DefendEachOther">meatball:DefendEachOther</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:718smiley.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/718smiley.png/15px-718smiley.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/718smiley.png/23px-718smiley.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/718smiley.png/30px-718smiley.png 2x" data-file-width="736" data-file-height="736"/></a></span>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:MBisanz" title="User:MBisanz"><span style="color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;">MBisanz</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MBisanz" title="User talk:MBisanz"><span style="color: #FFA500;">talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-MBisanz-2008-07-22T23:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-22T22:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 22 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MBisanz-2008-07-22T23:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-22T22:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MBisanz-2008-07-22T23:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-07-22T22:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.13.135.93-2008-07-22T23:04:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-07-22T22:48:00.000Z"></span>Like I said, please stop threatening me. I don't see anything I've done that warrants a block; if you believe otherwise please explain what the problem is. Defendeachother is fine and dandy but incivility is not. Remember I am a person behind a computer, not just a string of numbers. I'm only here asking Jpgordon for a response (either positive or negative, or perhaps even <a href="/wiki/Mu_(negative)" title="Mu (negative)">mu</a>, if "ignoring him" means that I won't be getting a response at all). --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/84.13.135.93" title="Special:Contributions/84.13.135.93">84.13.135.93</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:84.13.135.93&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:84.13.135.93 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-84.13.135.93-2008-07-22T23:04:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-07-22T22:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84.13.135.93-2008-07-22T23:04:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-07-22T22:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-84.13.135.93-2008-07-22T23:04:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-07-22T22:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-B-2008-07-23T00:46:00.000Z-84.13.135.93-2008-07-22T23:04:00.000Z"></span>Wikipedia prides itself on its egalitarianism, meaning, that you can edit this page right now, whether you are <a href="/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales" title="User:Jimbo Wales">User:Jimbo Wales</a> or <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:84.13.135.93&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:84.13.135.93 (page does not exist)">User:84.13.135.93</a>. A natural extension of that is that administrators and others in positions of community trust should be willing to explain their decisions to <a href="/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales" title="User:Jimbo Wales">User:Jimbo Wales</a> or any other user who asks in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">good faith</a>. I am not the above IP user, nor have I ever even been to the UK, but, to the extent that the letter "B" is less anonymous than someone who posts using his or her IP address, I would like to posit the IP's question on his or her behalf: what is your intention regarding the case? Arbcom made its bed by combining multiple cases together and now it needs to sleep in it. This issue isn't going to go away by ignoring it, as we learned by FM's extremely poor blocking decision this weekend and from the new Lar-SV case that is before the committee now. Could you (or any other arbiter reading this) give some insight as to what is going on behind the scenes? Do you think this is a joke? Are you carefully considering the evidence? Focused on other priorities? Waiting for <a href="/wiki/College_football" title="College football">football</a> season? (My preference is that last one.) Any kind of comment would be better than nothing. --<a href="/wiki/User:B" title="User:B">B</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:B" title="User talk:B">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-B-2008-07-23T00:46:00.000Z-84.13.135.93-2008-07-22T23:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:46, 23 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-B-2008-07-23T00:46:00.000Z-84.13.135.93-2008-07-22T23:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-B-2008-07-23T00:46:00.000Z-84.13.135.93-2008-07-22T23:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>JpGordon, Would you please explain your revert of my edit? My edit merely </p> <pre> 1) added party affiliation of government officials quoted. 2) elaborated on the very vague "certain types of speech". </pre> <p>I've never posted here before. I don't expect Wikipedia to be balanced - it is to be ruled and controlled by those who have the vastest amounts of time to squander. So it is foolish for someone to expect it to be fair. Nevertheless, it would be nice if those who edit the WP page entitled "Fairness Doctrine" at least made the attempt. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="G'day_jp" data-mw-thread-id="h-G'day_jp-2008-07-21T03:04:00.000Z"><span id="G.27day_jp"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-G'day_jp-2008-07-21T03:04:00.000Z"></span>G'day jp<span data-mw-comment-end="h-G'day_jp-2008-07-21T03:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Privatemusings-2008-07-21T03:04:00.000Z-G'day_jp"></span>I saw the current en mailing list thread about checkuser, and I think my comment will probably have been posted by now too, but there's a fair bit of heat in that discussion, and in retrospect it was probably not the most useful approach of mine to engage there. </p><p>per <a class="external text" href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2008-July/094541.html">your comments</a> there, could you possibly forward to me all non-confidential information about checks run on <a href="/wiki/User:Petesmiles" title="User:Petesmiles">User:Petesmiles</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Purples" title="User:Purples">User:Purples</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Privatemusings" title="User:Privatemusings">User:Privatemusings</a> - <a href="/wiki/Data_Protection_Act#Subject_rights" class="mw-disambig" title="Data Protection Act">in the UK</a> this would cost thirty quid, and I appreciate it might take a short while - so if there's a reciprocal wiki task you'd like me to fulfill please do let me know! cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Privatemusings" title="User:Privatemusings">Privatemusings</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Privatemusings" title="User talk:Privatemusings">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Privatemusings-2008-07-21T03:04:00.000Z-G'day_jp" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Privatemusings-2008-07-21T03:04:00.000Z-G'day_jp"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Privatemusings-2008-07-21T03:04:00.000Z-G'day_jp"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="July_arb_stuff" data-mw-thread-id="h-July_arb_stuff-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-July_arb_stuff-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z"></span>July arb stuff<span data-mw-comment-end="h-July_arb_stuff-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z-July_arb_stuff"></span>I'd like to remind you that 2 arb-clarifications have been waiting (for ages) on the discretionary sanctions wording - they can be closed once voted on, sometime soon hopefully. Kirill has already posted the 3.1 version for voting on the requests page. <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z-July_arb_stuff" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)</a> <span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z-July_arb_stuff"></span></s><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z-July_arb_stuff"></span></p><s></s><dl><s></s><dd><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-07-06T07:58:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z"></span>Quick note in case you missed it. You've done one vote arb-clarification done (Martinphi-SA and Pseudoscience), but one more to go (Diguwaren) needing your vote <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Proposed_motions_and_voting.2A">here</a>. Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-07-06T07:58:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-07-06T07:58:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z"></span></s><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-07-06T07:58:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-07-12T11:23:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z"></span>Just a reminder (info-byte) that all proposals on the Yorkshirian case pass - 1 close vote <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Yorkshirian/Proposed_decision#Vote" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Yorkshirian/Proposed decision">here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-07-12T11:23:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:23, 12 July 2008 (UTC)</a> <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-07-12T11:23:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-07-12T11:23:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-07-24T20:12:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z"></span> Nudging you for a vote on the Diguwaren proposed motions and voting. <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-07-24T20:12:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-07-24T20:12:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z"></span></s><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-07-24T20:12:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-07-28T16:27:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z"></span>Just to remind you (or inform you in case you're unaware) that in the Geogre-WMC case, <s><i>except</i> for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Geogre-William_M._Connolley/Proposed_decision#DefendEachOther_2" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Geogre-William M. Connolley/Proposed decision">principle 4.2</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Geogre-William_M._Connolley/Proposed_decision#Geogre_cautioned_to_avoid_wheel-warring" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Geogre-William M. Connolley/Proposed decision">remedy 2.2</a>,</s> you've voted on everything proposed-to-date ;) <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <s><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-07-28T16:27:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)</a></s> 18:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-07-28T16:27:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-07-28T16:27:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-06-30T12:59:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="holocaust_denial" data-mw-thread-id="h-holocaust_denial-2008-07-28T04:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-holocaust_denial-2008-07-28T04:50:00.000Z"></span>holocaust denial<span data-mw-comment-end="h-holocaust_denial-2008-07-28T04:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Circuitcheckr-2008-07-28T04:50:00.000Z-holocaust_denial"></span>Why did you undo my edits? I thought they improved the objectivity of this section. My aims are not anti-semitic, but rather to improve the integrity of the article. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Circuitcheckr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Circuitcheckr (page does not exist)">Circuitcheckr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Circuitcheckr" title="User talk:Circuitcheckr">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Circuitcheckr" title="Special:Contributions/Circuitcheckr">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Circuitcheckr-2008-07-28T04:50:00.000Z-holocaust_denial" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Circuitcheckr-2008-07-28T04:50:00.000Z-holocaust_denial"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Circuitcheckr-2008-07-28T04:50:00.000Z-holocaust_denial"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-28T14:31:00.000Z-Circuitcheckr-2008-07-28T04:50:00.000Z"></span>Feel free to discuss your edits on the article talk page. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-28T14:31:00.000Z-Circuitcheckr-2008-07-28T04:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:31, 28 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-28T14:31:00.000Z-Circuitcheckr-2008-07-28T04:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-28T14:31:00.000Z-Circuitcheckr-2008-07-28T04:50:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Circuitcheckr-2008-07-28T16:50:00.000Z-holocaust_denial"></span>I have added an explanation to the talk page. --[User:Circuitcheckr|Circuitcheckr]] <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Circuitcheckr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Circuitcheckr (page does not exist)">Circuitcheckr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Circuitcheckr" title="User talk:Circuitcheckr">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Circuitcheckr" title="Special:Contributions/Circuitcheckr">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Circuitcheckr-2008-07-28T16:50:00.000Z-holocaust_denial" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Circuitcheckr-2008-07-28T16:50:00.000Z-holocaust_denial"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Circuitcheckr-2008-07-28T16:50:00.000Z-holocaust_denial"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ukrainian_guards_at_Nazi_extermination_camps" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ukrainian_guards_at_Nazi_extermination_camps-2008-07-28T20:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ukrainian_guards_at_Nazi_extermination_camps-2008-07-28T20:52:00.000Z"></span>Ukrainian guards at Nazi extermination camps<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ukrainian_guards_at_Nazi_extermination_camps-2008-07-28T20:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deborahjay-2008-07-28T20:52:00.000Z-Ukrainian_guards_at_Nazi_extermination_camps"></span>Greetings, <a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">Jp</a>! After your response to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RD/M#WWII" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RD/M">current query</a> on this topic, I picked up the thread after <a href="/wiki/Auschwitz_extermination_camp" class="mw-redirect" title="Auschwitz extermination camp">Auschwitz</a> and followed the trail to the <a href="/wiki/Trawniki_concentration_camp#History_of_Trawniki" title="Trawniki concentration camp">Trawniki</a> program for guards, that at one point "conscripted ... primarily young Ukrainian [civilians]." I don't know whether this will suit the OP's purpose, but you might find it informative. I, for one, appreciate your input. <i>-- Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Deborahjay" title="User:Deborahjay">Deborahjay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deborahjay" title="User talk:Deborahjay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Deborahjay-2008-07-28T20:52:00.000Z-Ukrainian_guards_at_Nazi_extermination_camps" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)</a></i><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deborahjay-2008-07-28T20:52:00.000Z-Ukrainian_guards_at_Nazi_extermination_camps"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deborahjay-2008-07-28T20:52:00.000Z-Ukrainian_guards_at_Nazi_extermination_camps"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thank_you..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Thank_you...-2008-07-29T04:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thank_you...-2008-07-29T04:22:00.000Z"></span>Thank you...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thank_you...-2008-07-29T04:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZimZalaBim-2008-07-29T04:22:00.000Z-Thank_you..."></span>...for your assistance. --<a href="/wiki/User:ZimZalaBim" title="User:ZimZalaBim"><span style="color:black;">Zim</span><b style="color:darkgreen;">Zala</b><span style="color:black;">Bim</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZimZalaBim" title="User talk:ZimZalaBim"><sup style="color:black;">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-ZimZalaBim-2008-07-29T04:22:00.000Z-Thank_you..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZimZalaBim-2008-07-29T04:22:00.000Z-Thank_you..."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZimZalaBim-2008-07-29T04:22:00.000Z-Thank_you..."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_request_you_to_be_the_Honorable_Arbitrator_to_my_case_Brhmoism" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_request_you_to_be_the_Honorable_Arbitrator_to_my_case_Brhmoism-2008-07-29T21:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_request_you_to_be_the_Honorable_Arbitrator_to_my_case_Brhmoism-2008-07-29T21:27:00.000Z"></span>I request you to be the Honorable Arbitrator to my case <a href="/w/index.php?title=Brhmoism&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Brhmoism (page does not exist)">Brhmoism</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_request_you_to_be_the_Honorable_Arbitrator_to_my_case_Brhmoism-2008-07-29T21:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-203.194.98.177-2008-07-29T21:27:00.000Z-I_request_you_to_be_the_Honorable_Arbitrator_to_my_case_Brhmoism"></span>As I feel only a 'rational wise judge' can do justice to my case of deletion. I am not a good writer but my content is crucial and only trapped in sub-communities religious bias which has become a Brhmo-Phobia in wikipedia too . I request your highness to post some urgent translator of Hindi to my references /notability of news/reviews at : </p> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://brhmaandpujan-news-reviews.tripod.com"><b>Brhmaand Pujan</b> Critics’, News-Reviews</a>.</li></ul> <p>--<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/203.194.98.177" title="Special:Contributions/203.194.98.177">203.194.98.177</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:203.194.98.177" title="User talk:203.194.98.177">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-203.194.98.177-2008-07-29T21:27:00.000Z-I_request_you_to_be_the_Honorable_Arbitrator_to_my_case_Brhmoism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-203.194.98.177-2008-07-29T21:27:00.000Z-I_request_you_to_be_the_Honorable_Arbitrator_to_my_case_Brhmoism"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-203.194.98.177-2008-07-29T21:27:00.000Z-I_request_you_to_be_the_Honorable_Arbitrator_to_my_case_Brhmoism"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-29T22:07:00.000Z-203.194.98.177-2008-07-29T21:27:00.000Z"></span>I cannot comprehend your speech, sorry. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-29T22:07:00.000Z-203.194.98.177-2008-07-29T21:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-29T22:07:00.000Z-203.194.98.177-2008-07-29T21:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-29T22:07:00.000Z-203.194.98.177-2008-07-29T21:27:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ZZB" data-mw-thread-id="h-ZZB-2008-07-30T03:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ZZB-2008-07-30T03:08:00.000Z"></span>ZZB<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ZZB-2008-07-30T03:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dominic_Edward_Aragon-2008-07-30T03:08:00.000Z-ZZB"></span>Well SORRY ! I was just asking. I wasn't trying to "reveal" him. SORRY! I'm not perfect. - <a href="/wiki/User:Dominic_Edward_Aragon" title="User:Dominic Edward Aragon">Dominic Edward Aragon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dominic_Edward_Aragon" title="User talk:Dominic Edward Aragon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Dominic_Edward_Aragon-2008-07-30T03:08:00.000Z-ZZB" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dominic_Edward_Aragon-2008-07-30T03:08:00.000Z-ZZB"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dominic_Edward_Aragon-2008-07-30T03:08:00.000Z-ZZB"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Personal_Weather_Websites" data-mw-thread-id="h-Personal_Weather_Websites-2008-07-30T19:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Personal_Weather_Websites-2008-07-30T19:58:00.000Z"></span>Personal Weather Websites<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Personal_Weather_Websites-2008-07-30T19:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ljbl-2008-07-30T19:58:00.000Z-Personal_Weather_Websites"></span>First off Mr. Gordon I want to apologize if I caused you any stress over my placing links in areas on the WIKI that you have deemed inappropriate. I have since relocated the link the Southwestern Weather Network to the Personal weather station WIKI and have placed it under the section: Places where data collected by a <b>personal weather station</b> may be submitted electronically and thence shared with others worldwide via the internet: Which is exactly what our network does. </p><p>I sincerely hope that this ends this matter once and for all. </p><p>Regards <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ljbl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ljbl (page does not exist)">Ljbl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ljbl" title="User talk:Ljbl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ljbl-2008-07-30T19:58:00.000Z-Personal_Weather_Websites" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 30 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ljbl-2008-07-30T19:58:00.000Z-Personal_Weather_Websites"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ljbl-2008-07-30T19:58:00.000Z-Personal_Weather_Websites"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-30T22:14:00.000Z-Ljbl-2008-07-30T19:58:00.000Z"></span>It's not any stress. You just don't get to insert links to your own website, any more than anyone else does. I've got my own weather site too; it's not as good as yours, by any means, but I don't put in Wikipedia either. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-07-30T22:14:00.000Z-Ljbl-2008-07-30T19:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-30T22:14:00.000Z-Ljbl-2008-07-30T19:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-07-30T22:14:00.000Z-Ljbl-2008-07-30T19:58:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed_decision" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed_decision-2008-07-31T06:36:00.000Z"><span id="Requests_for_arbitration.2FC68-FM-SV.2FProposed_decision"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed_decision-2008-07-31T06:36:00.000Z"></span>Requests for arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed decision<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed_decision-2008-07-31T06:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Brenneman-2008-07-31T06:36:00.000Z-Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed_decision"></span>Has not had a substantive edit since 04:10, 14 July 2008. - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Brenneman" title="User talk:Aaron Brenneman"><span style="color:black;">brenneman</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Aaron_Brenneman-2008-07-31T06:36:00.000Z-Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed_decision" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Brenneman-2008-07-31T06:36:00.000Z-Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed_decision"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Brenneman-2008-07-31T06:36:00.000Z-Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed_decision"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RD_boldness" data-mw-thread-id="h-RD_boldness-2008-08-06T21:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RD_boldness-2008-08-06T21:58:00.000Z"></span>RD boldness<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RD_boldness-2008-08-06T21:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hydnjo-2008-08-06T21:58:00.000Z-RD_boldness"></span>You did the right thing but prepare thyself for the wrath of the inclusionists. ;-) -<a href="/wiki/User:Hydnjo" title="User:Hydnjo">hydnjo</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hydnjo" title="User talk:Hydnjo">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Hydnjo-2008-08-06T21:58:00.000Z-RD_boldness" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hydnjo-2008-08-06T21:58:00.000Z-RD_boldness"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hydnjo-2008-08-06T21:58:00.000Z-RD_boldness"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Quick_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Quick_question-2008-08-06T22:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Quick_question-2008-08-06T22:00:00.000Z"></span>Quick question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Quick_question-2008-08-06T22:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:00:00.000Z-Quick_question"></span>Would it not have been preferable to move the horescrap thread to the RD talk page where someone might take the time to explain to Endless Dan why his comment was unacceptable? Just a thought, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Zain_Ebrahim111" title="Special:Contributions/Zain Ebrahim111">Zain Ebrahim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zain_Ebrahim111" title="User talk:Zain Ebrahim111">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:00:00.000Z-Quick_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:00:00.000Z-Quick_question"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:00:00.000Z-Quick_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hydnjo-2008-08-06T22:08:00.000Z-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:00:00.000Z"></span>No, Dan knows exactly what's goin' on. <small>Sorry for intruding on your talk but this is important.</small> <a href="/wiki/User:Hydnjo" title="User:Hydnjo">hydnjo</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hydnjo" title="User talk:Hydnjo">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Hydnjo-2008-08-06T22:08:00.000Z-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 6 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hydnjo-2008-08-06T22:08:00.000Z-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hydnjo-2008-08-06T22:08:00.000Z-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:10:00.000Z-Hydnjo-2008-08-06T22:08:00.000Z"></span>Then he's a troll and all further comments should be deleted. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Zain_Ebrahim111" title="Special:Contributions/Zain Ebrahim111">Zain Ebrahim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zain_Ebrahim111" title="User talk:Zain Ebrahim111">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:10:00.000Z-Hydnjo-2008-08-06T22:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:10:00.000Z-Hydnjo-2008-08-06T22:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:10:00.000Z-Hydnjo-2008-08-06T22:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:11:00.000Z-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:10:00.000Z"></span>...before someone responds. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Zain_Ebrahim111" title="Special:Contributions/Zain Ebrahim111">Zain Ebrahim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zain_Ebrahim111" title="User talk:Zain Ebrahim111">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:11:00.000Z-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:11:00.000Z-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:11:00.000Z-Zain_Ebrahim111-2008-08-06T22:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_talk:AndreaTrue77" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_talk:AndreaTrue77-2008-08-07T00:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_talk:AndreaTrue77-2008-08-07T00:55:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:AndreaTrue77" title="User talk:AndreaTrue77">User talk:AndreaTrue77</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_talk:AndreaTrue77-2008-08-07T00:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hersfold-2008-08-07T00:55:00.000Z-User_talk:AndreaTrue77"></span>Blocked user is wondering why they were blocked. I assume it has something to do with a CU, so I figured I'd ask you to tell them. <a href="/wiki/User:Hersfold" title="User:Hersfold"><i><b><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold</em></b></i></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User:Hersfold/t" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hersfold/t">t</a>/<a href="/wiki/User:Hersfold/a" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hersfold/a">a</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hersfold" title="Special:Contributions/Hersfold">c</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Hersfold-2008-08-07T00:55:00.000Z-User_talk:AndreaTrue77" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hersfold-2008-08-07T00:55:00.000Z-User_talk:AndreaTrue77"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hersfold-2008-08-07T00:55:00.000Z-User_talk:AndreaTrue77"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_injuctions" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_injuctions-2008-08-07T20:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_injuctions-2008-08-07T20:47:00.000Z"></span>ArbCom injuctions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_injuctions-2008-08-07T20:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AuburnPilot-2008-08-07T20:47:00.000Z-ArbCom_injuctions"></span>If I'd like a member of ArbCom to take a look at some diffs and possibly enforce an injunction, does that need to be filed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AE">WP:AE</a>? Per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Geogre-William_M._Connolley#Temporary_injunction" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Geogre-William M. Connolley">Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Geogre-William_M._Connolley#Temporary_injunction</a>, Giano II can only be blocked by an ArbCom member, so I'd like somebody to take a look at diff <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bishonen&curid=14915080&diff=230471777&oldid=230468290">1</a> where Giano calls Chillum a "useless twit" and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Giano_II&diff=prev&oldid=230475216">diff 2</a> where Giano tells MZMcBride to "stop stirring and trolling and get lost". As I understand it, the civility ruling under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/IRC" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/IRC">Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/IRC</a> isn't officially suspended until the current case passes (though that may just be a technicality). Thanks, - <a href="/wiki/User:AuburnPilot" title="User:AuburnPilot"><span style="color:#000080;">auburn</span><span style="color:#CC5500;">pilot</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:AuburnPilot" title="User talk:AuburnPilot"><small>talk</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-AuburnPilot-2008-08-07T20:47:00.000Z-ArbCom_injuctions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 7 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AuburnPilot-2008-08-07T20:47:00.000Z-ArbCom_injuctions"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AuburnPilot-2008-08-07T20:47:00.000Z-ArbCom_injuctions"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-07T21:03:00.000Z-AuburnPilot-2008-08-07T20:47:00.000Z"></span>File at AE. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-07T21:03:00.000Z-AuburnPilot-2008-08-07T20:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-07T21:03:00.000Z-AuburnPilot-2008-08-07T20:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-07T21:03:00.000Z-AuburnPilot-2008-08-07T20:47:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement#Giano_II" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AuburnPilot-2008-08-07T21:10:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-07T21:03:00.000Z"></span>Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#Giano II</a>. Thanks, - <a href="/wiki/User:AuburnPilot" title="User:AuburnPilot"><span style="color:#000080;">auburn</span><span style="color:#CC5500;">pilot</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:AuburnPilot" title="User talk:AuburnPilot"><small>talk</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-AuburnPilot-2008-08-07T21:10:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-07T21:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AuburnPilot-2008-08-07T21:10:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-07T21:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AuburnPilot-2008-08-07T21:10:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-07T21:03:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tenmei_and_Nick_Dowling" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tenmei_and_Nick_Dowling-2008-08-08T00:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tenmei_and_Nick_Dowling-2008-08-08T00:24:00.000Z"></span>Tenmei and Nick Dowling<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tenmei_and_Nick_Dowling-2008-08-08T00:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenmei-2008-08-08T00:24:00.000Z-Tenmei_and_Nick_Dowling"></span>I did not understand that it was bad form to modify my statement, but the gravamen remains the same; albeit with less words. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tenmei" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tenmei">Tenmei</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenmei" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tenmei">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Tenmei-2008-08-08T00:24:00.000Z-Tenmei_and_Nick_Dowling" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenmei-2008-08-08T00:24:00.000Z-Tenmei_and_Nick_Dowling"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenmei-2008-08-08T00:24:00.000Z-Tenmei_and_Nick_Dowling"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Suite_Life" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suite_Life-2008-08-09T06:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suite_Life-2008-08-09T06:13:00.000Z"></span>Suite Life<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suite_Life-2008-08-09T06:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cory_Malik-2008-08-09T06:13:00.000Z-Suite_Life"></span>Do you think i can revert it now --<a href="/wiki/User:Cory_Malik" title="User:Cory Malik">Cory Malik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cory_Malik" title="User talk:Cory Malik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Cory_Malik-2008-08-09T06:13:00.000Z-Suite_Life" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:13, 9 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cory_Malik-2008-08-09T06:13:00.000Z-Suite_Life"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cory_Malik-2008-08-09T06:13:00.000Z-Suite_Life"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-09T06:30:00.000Z-Cory_Malik-2008-08-09T06:13:00.000Z"></span>No. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-09T06:30:00.000Z-Cory_Malik-2008-08-09T06:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-09T06:30:00.000Z-Cory_Malik-2008-08-09T06:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-09T06:30:00.000Z-Cory_Malik-2008-08-09T06:13:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unblock" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unblock-2008-08-09T06:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unblock-2008-08-09T06:41:00.000Z"></span>Unblock<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unblock-2008-08-09T06:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cory_Malik-2008-08-09T06:41:00.000Z-Unblock"></span>My IP Address needs to be unblocked for the computer i was block on. Can u do it. (answer on talk page) --<a href="/wiki/User:Cory_Malik" title="User:Cory Malik">Cory Malik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cory_Malik" title="User talk:Cory Malik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Cory_Malik-2008-08-09T06:41:00.000Z-Unblock" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cory_Malik-2008-08-09T06:41:00.000Z-Unblock"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cory_Malik-2008-08-09T06:41:00.000Z-Unblock"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-10T21:12:00.000Z-Cory_Malik-2008-08-09T06:41:00.000Z"></span>If you're editing here, you're unblocked. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-10T21:12:00.000Z-Cory_Malik-2008-08-09T06:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-10T21:12:00.000Z-Cory_Malik-2008-08-09T06:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-10T21:12:00.000Z-Cory_Malik-2008-08-09T06:41:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Jerk?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Jerk?-2008-08-11T00:12:00.000Z"><span id="Jerk.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Jerk?-2008-08-11T00:12:00.000Z"></span>Jerk?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Jerk?-2008-08-11T00:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T00:12:00.000Z-Jerk?"></span>How shall I put this? Perhaps in simple terms is best. </p><p>1) Discussion pages are not for asking general questions about the content of the article. As an admin you know this, and I have no need to tell you this. As an admin,<i>I shouldn't be telling you this</i>. 2) I admit that my action was a bit unfair to the new user. New users are often hot-headed and demand answers, believing it to be their right. Of course no is entitled to answers, least of all at inappropriate discussion pages. You have satisfied this persons pride. 3) It is our duty as experienced users, and yours especially not to allow bad habits to emerge among new users. You have effectively endorsed the new user calling me a jerk. I won't argue whether I am a jerk or not. But in the future, this user will have to find out that this is not the way to ask, nor respond if their post gets removed. If your aim was to help the user, you have failed by encouraging them in finding information in the wrong way. 4) I do not believe I gave a wrong answer. My answer was an agnostic one; I said that Jesus was a Jew. Because of point 1), that discussion pages are not for asking general questions, then we have no duty to answer them. I don't think that constitutes being a Jerk, when one simply does their duty in wikipedia by removing irrelevant material. But then again your the admin, you should know. 5) The Jesus talk page is regularly flooded with trolling and vandalism more than the Nile gets flooded with Snail parasites. Considering this in mind, you can excuse me if I were to wrongly identify inappropriate commenting as trolling, and "bite the newcomber". I am well aware of this rule, since I was never treated according to them when I first came to wikipedia. Why someone should care that Jesus underwent Bar mitzva is beyond me, and beyond wikipedia discussion pages as well. </p><p>The fact that I am telling you this, an admin of greater experience and higher wiki-standing than me - you may take with some offense in the same manner that I take with embarrassment. <b>I will continue to uphold wikipedia rules and delete irrelevant material on discussion pages, regardless of rude comments, or your endorsing of them.</b> </p><p>Respectfully, </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Tourskin" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tourskin">Tourskin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tourskin" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tourskin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T00:12:00.000Z-Jerk?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T00:12:00.000Z-Jerk?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T00:12:00.000Z-Jerk?"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T01:25:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T00:12:00.000Z"></span>"Why someone should care that Jesus underwent Bar mitzva is beyond me, and beyond wikipedia discussion pages as well." Just because you can't comprehend the reason for a perfectly good question doesn't mean it's not a good question. In fact, it's a real good question. Since Jesus was Jewish, and since for modern Jewish people, a Bar Mitzvah is an important event; why the lack of mention of it? Ah, but it's actually a medieval ritual, that's why there's no mention. Your answer was wrong, and your expression of it was newbie biting. That's all. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T01:25:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T00:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T01:25:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T00:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T01:25:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T00:12:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T02:07:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T00:12:00.000Z"></span>Wrong answer? I said my answer was not trying to answer his question, so much as a response accompanying a removal of inappropriate material. It was a very good question in fact, but that doesn't its appropriate for wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Tourskin" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tourskin">Tourskin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tourskin" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tourskin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T02:07:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T00:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T02:07:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T00:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T02:07:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T00:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T02:42:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T02:07:00.000Z"></span>Your understanding of appropriateness is incorrect. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T02:42:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T02:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T02:42:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T02:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T02:42:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T02:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T02:58:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T02:42:00.000Z"></span>Really? Tell me I'm wrong if discussion pages are for improvement of the article only and not content? Note that I now realize that the user has given a second posting stating that they were wondering why it wasn't in the article. But I doubt that was his intention, or your reading of it. <a href="/wiki/User:Tourskin" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tourskin">Tourskin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tourskin" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tourskin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T02:58:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T02:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T02:58:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T02:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T02:58:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T02:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T03:02:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T02:58:00.000Z"></span>Well, there you go. I assumed good faith; you decided not to. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T03:02:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T02:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T03:02:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T02:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T03:02:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T02:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T03:06:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T03:02:00.000Z"></span>The question was displayed in a truncated form with its purpose (relating to the article) difficult to decipher - I applaud your ability at doing so. <a href="/wiki/User:Tourskin" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tourskin">Tourskin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tourskin" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tourskin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T03:06:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T03:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T03:06:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T03:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T03:06:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T03:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jesus&diff=230760619&oldid=230541620"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T03:11:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T03:06:00.000Z"></span>Asking a basic biographical question</a> is inherently relevant to the content of a biographical article. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T03:11:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T03:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T03:11:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T03:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-11T03:11:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T03:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T03:26:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T03:06:00.000Z"></span>That was not what I said; I know that it is relevant to the content. You and I know that content alone does not merit discussion, but a discussion of the article's improvement.<a href="/wiki/User:Tourskin" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tourskin">Tourskin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tourskin" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tourskin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T03:26:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T03:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T03:26:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T03:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tourskin-2008-08-11T03:26:00.000Z-Tourskin-2008-08-11T03:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Can_you_do_me_a_favor?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can_you_do_me_a_favor?-2008-08-12T18:01:00.000Z"><span id="Can_you_do_me_a_favor.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Can_you_do_me_a_favor?-2008-08-12T18:01:00.000Z"></span>Can you do me a favor?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Can_you_do_me_a_favor?-2008-08-12T18:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-12T18:01:00.000Z-Can_you_do_me_a_favor?"></span>The article <a href="/w/index.php?title=OSU_School_of_Medicine&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="OSU School of Medicine (page does not exist)">OSU School of Medicine</a> should be renamed to <a href="/w/index.php?title=The_Ohio_State_University_School_of_Medicine&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="The Ohio State University School of Medicine (page does not exist)">The Ohio State University School of Medicine</a>. OSU is an acronym for Oklahoma State University and a few others, but Ohio State is rarely identified with OSU. But most importantly, the school of medicine calls itself by the full formal title that I would like to use. I can't make the move, because the redirect already exists. <a href="/wiki/User:Orangemarlin" title="User:Orangemarlin"><span style="color:orange;"><b>Orange</b></span><span style="color:teal;"><b>Marlin</b></span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin" title="User talk:Orangemarlin">Talk•</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin" title="Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin">Contributions</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-12T18:01:00.000Z-Can_you_do_me_a_favor?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 12 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-12T18:01:00.000Z-Can_you_do_me_a_favor?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-12T18:01:00.000Z-Can_you_do_me_a_favor?"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-12T20:42:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-12T18:01:00.000Z"></span>Place to request that is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-12T20:42:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-12T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-12T20:42:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-12T18:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-12T20:42:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-12T18:01:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fragments_of_Jade" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T22:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T22:03:00.000Z"></span>Fragments of Jade<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T22:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bwilkins-2008-08-14T22:03:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span>I am sick and tired of that punk kid. That's the 3rd time they have referred to me as a "pervert" and I'm <s>ready to sue their little ass</s> more than cheesed. I don't want to see any record of that kid saying that on Wikipedia anymore. I'm so furious right now that I am going to politely ask you to forward this to where it needs to go, even though I know that I already know where to send it. <s>Libel/slander</s> Using that type of attack and use of words are serious issues and this kid has gone too far. I appreciate your assistance in advance <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Bwilkins" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Bwilkins"><span style="color:#ffffff;background:black;"><b>BMW</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bwilkins#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Bwilkins"><span style="color:#000000;background:white;">(drive)</span></a></span></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Bwilkins-2008-08-14T22:03:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bwilkins-2008-08-14T22:03:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bwilkins-2008-08-14T22:03:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-14T22:15:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span>And I've been called a "psycho" and a "stalker"... She's so sweet. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.161.129.43" title="Special:Contributions/88.161.129.43">88.161.129.43</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:88.161.129.43" title="User talk:88.161.129.43">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-14T22:15:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-14T22:15:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-14T22:15:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T22:47:00.000Z-88.161.129.43-2008-08-14T22:15:00.000Z"></span>Mm. Well, you need to stop with the legal threats -- please retract them immediately, or under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NLT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NLT">Wikipedia policy</a>, I will be forced to block you. I'll see what I can do about FoJ. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T22:47:00.000Z-88.161.129.43-2008-08-14T22:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T22:47:00.000Z-88.161.129.43-2008-08-14T22:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T22:47:00.000Z-88.161.129.43-2008-08-14T22:15:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T22:57:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span>I don't know who you are jpgordon, but if you are staff here, I would firmly advise you to look more into matters before handing out warnings. Users 88 and Bwilkins have been harassing me for well over a month now, and it is I who am sick and tired. I was off of Wiki for a long period of time after a lengthy incident where the two of them were both extremely rude and incorrigible. It's clear from their actions, 88 in particular, that they are constantly watching my contributions. Any edit I make, one of them will pop up to revert it or contest it, seemingly having no knowledge of the article's subject. I was involved in a dispute with another user, one of them appeared on my talk page to harass me over it when it was none of the business, while the other went to the page of the editor I was in a dispute with to badmouth me, before coming to my talk page and spouting off a bunch of offensive stuff, which is when I finally got fed up and called him a well-deserved name. On top of that all, 88 attempted to find out where I live and post my name and address on wiki. She thankfully mistook someone else for me, but she chased that person all over the internet and hunted down and posted a bunch of their personal info. Are you gonna tell me that is not seriously creepy and very off-putting? These two both need to grow up and stop their harassment. Look at my history-I'm never the one who comes to them first. One of them comes to me and starts something.<a href="/wiki/User:Fragments_of_Jade" title="User:Fragments of Jade">Fragments of Jade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fragments_of_Jade" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Fragments of Jade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T22:57:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T22:57:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T22:57:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:00:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T22:57:00.000Z"></span>Other people's misbehavior doesn't justify your own. If you have complaints, air them in the appropriate forum; you know about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN/I" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN/I">WP:AN/I</a>, for example. But you don't get to edit war, and you don't get to insult people, regardless. We have proper ways to deal with this sorta stuff. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:00:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T22:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:00:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T22:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:00:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T22:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:08:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span>The "proper ways" don't work, or else you never would have warned me and would have instead of warned them.<a href="/wiki/User:Fragments_of_Jade" title="User:Fragments of Jade">Fragments of Jade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fragments_of_Jade" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Fragments of Jade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:08:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:08:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:08:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-14T23:13:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:08:00.000Z"></span>88 attempted to find out where I live and post my name and address on wiki.</i></dd></dl></dd> <dd>I was simply looking for evidence of your sock puppetry. And I found it quite easily, too. <dl><dd><i>She thankfully mistook someone else for me</i></dd></dl></dd> <dd>I don't think so.</dd> <dd>(and <i>again</i>, I'm a man, Jade...) <dl><dd><i>Look at my history-I'm never the one who comes to them first.</i></dd></dl></dd> <dd>You accused me of <i>racism</i>, Jade. Several times. For no reason. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.161.129.43" title="Special:Contributions/88.161.129.43">88.161.129.43</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:88.161.129.43" title="User talk:88.161.129.43">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-14T23:13:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:13, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-14T23:13:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-14T23:13:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:16:00.000Z-88.161.129.43-2008-08-14T23:13:00.000Z"></span>I'm awaiting the withdrawal of the legal threat. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:16:00.000Z-88.161.129.43-2008-08-14T23:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:16, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:16:00.000Z-88.161.129.43-2008-08-14T23:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:16:00.000Z-88.161.129.43-2008-08-14T23:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:27:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span>I never made a legal threat, though I'd certainly have a case. And yes, 88, you made a mistake. The poor person you've been stalking all over the internet is not me. And I called you a "racist" because you made more than a few insulting comments about Americans.<a href="/wiki/User:Fragments_of_Jade" title="User:Fragments of Jade">Fragments of Jade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fragments_of_Jade" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Fragments of Jade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:27:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:27:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:27:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:28:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:27:00.000Z"></span>I wasn't talking to you about legal threats, I was talking to 88. Fragments, do not call people by pejorative terms. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPA">No personal attacks</a>. Period. Doesn't matter what you think your excuse is. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:28:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:28:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:28:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:09:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:27:00.000Z"></span>I called you a "racist" because you made more than a few insulting comments about Americans.</i></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Post proof (link) or retract. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.161.129.43" title="Special:Contributions/88.161.129.43">88.161.129.43</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:88.161.129.43" title="User talk:88.161.129.43">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:09:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:09:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:09:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:36:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span>See? You're completely one-sided! So, both her and Bwilkins are allowed to go wherever they want on Wiki, insulting me left and right to whomever they want, but you're only going to say something to me? I want their harassment of me dealt with. Until then, I will treat them as they treat me.<a href="/wiki/User:Fragments_of_Jade" title="User:Fragments of Jade">Fragments of Jade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fragments_of_Jade" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Fragments of Jade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:36:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:36:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:36:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:46:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:36:00.000Z"></span>Yes, at the moment, I'm completely one sided, which is why I'll be blocking 88. for legal threats; if you "treat them as they treat" you, you'll meet the same fate. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:46:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:46:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:46:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:36:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:48:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:46:00.000Z"></span>Oh, wait, it was Bwilkins making the legal threats, which have been withdrawn. The rest stands, though; I don't care who started the fight, you don't get to continue it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:48:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:48:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:48:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-14T23:46:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:57:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span>Then why don't you do something to the people who started it? I shouldn't have to just sit around and let them badmouth and stalk me all over wiki.<a href="/wiki/User:Fragments_of_Jade" title="User:Fragments of Jade">Fragments of Jade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fragments_of_Jade" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Fragments of Jade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:57:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:57:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-14T23:57:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="For_the_Record" data-mw-thread-id="h-For_the_Record-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-For_the_Record-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:00:00.000Z"></span>For the Record<span data-mw-comment-end="h-For_the_Record-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:00:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bwilkins-2008-08-15T00:00:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span>Just for the record, "pervert" is a serious adjective. I have - in all my attempts to assist FoJ - been patient and polite, and tried to truly help this editor become a better editor. You cannot, however, refer to someone as a "pervert" and not expect repercussions. An official complaint on this behaviour has been made, and will go to AN/I if needed. Until they referred to me as a "pervert" today, I do not believe that I have never insulted FoJ .. and happily, because everything on Wikipedia is retained <i>ad infinitum</i>, I have all the proof I need of that ... blanking a page does not remove the original text from the logs. Sorry that you have become the go-to person Jpgordon ... but I appreciate that you came forward when they referred to me as a "pervert" this evening. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Bwilkins" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Bwilkins"><span style="color:#ffffff;background:black;"><b>BMW</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bwilkins#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Bwilkins"><span style="color:#000000;background:white;">(drive)</span></a></span></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Bwilkins-2008-08-15T00:00:00.000Z-For_the_Record" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:00, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bwilkins-2008-08-15T00:00:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bwilkins-2008-08-15T00:00:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:11:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span>Don't even go there. Patient? Polite? You've been nothing but rude from the start! You both need to grow up and quit harassing me!<a href="/wiki/User:Fragments_of_Jade" title="User:Fragments of Jade">Fragments of Jade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fragments_of_Jade" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Fragments of Jade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:11:00.000Z-For_the_Record" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:11:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:11:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:14:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:11:00.000Z"></span>Patient? Polite? You've been nothing but rude from the start!</i></dd></dl></dd> <dd>That's simply not true, as I've already explained <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2008-07-03_Silent_Hill&diff=228284354&oldid=228276822">there</a>. You've got some nerve, really. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.161.129.43" title="Special:Contributions/88.161.129.43">88.161.129.43</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:88.161.129.43" title="User talk:88.161.129.43">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:14:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:14:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:14:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:18:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span>You're even worse than he is, and you've now admitted to your heinous crimes. Stalking people online is illegal, you know, and it's even worse if you're a guy.<a href="/wiki/User:Fragments_of_Jade" title="User:Fragments of Jade">Fragments of Jade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fragments_of_Jade" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Fragments of Jade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:18:00.000Z-For_the_Record" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:18:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:18:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:28:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:18:00.000Z"></span>your heinous crimes</i></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Huh. <dl><dd><i>Stalking people online is illegal, you know</i></dd></dl></dd> <dd>I was looking for evidence of sock puppetry. Using Google. Gasp. <dl><dd><i>and it's even worse if you're a guy.</i></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Right... <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.161.129.43" title="Special:Contributions/88.161.129.43">88.161.129.43</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:88.161.129.43" title="User talk:88.161.129.43">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:28:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:28:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:28:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:33:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span>Seriously. You both need to stop. You two are the ones coming after me, not the other way around. We have different interests and play different games, so our paths should not have crossed again after the Silent Hill situation ended. But they did, because neither of you could just leave me alone. You followed me to Threads of Fate, Wild ARMs, Mr. T's talk page, and so many other places. You're the one who keeps instigating fights.<a href="/wiki/User:Fragments_of_Jade" title="User:Fragments of Jade">Fragments of Jade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fragments_of_Jade" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Fragments of Jade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:33:00.000Z-For_the_Record" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:33:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:33:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:43:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:33:00.000Z"></span>I disagree with your edits and dislike your attitude (bad faith, lies, baseless accusations). That's all there is to it. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.161.129.43" title="Special:Contributions/88.161.129.43">88.161.129.43</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:88.161.129.43" title="User talk:88.161.129.43">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:43:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:43, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:43:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:43:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:47:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span>That would be your attitude. And you're stalking me, plain and simple. You'll disgree with anything to try and get at me. It's immature and causes useless arguments. You need to stop.<a href="/wiki/User:Fragments_of_Jade" title="User:Fragments of Jade">Fragments of Jade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fragments_of_Jade" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Fragments of Jade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:47:00.000Z-For_the_Record" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:47:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:47:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:54:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:47:00.000Z"></span>You'll disgree with anything to try and get at me.</i></dd></dl></dd> <dd>That's not true. But considering the problems you've caused me and others with your bad faith and your lies (sorry, but again, the sock puppetry was confirmed... it <i>is</i> called a "lie"), it's true that I do check your edits, just like I keep an eye on 96.247.32.90 (a long-time vandal), for example... "Just in case". But I wouldn't disagree just for the sake of disagreeing. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.161.129.43" title="Special:Contributions/88.161.129.43">88.161.129.43</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:88.161.129.43" title="User talk:88.161.129.43">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:54:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:54:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T00:54:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T00:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T01:02:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span>You would and do-you're a stalker and need to get some help. You're not staff here, and you've no right to keep an eye on anyone. And there was never any sockpuppets, other than yours.<a href="/wiki/User:Fragments_of_Jade" title="User:Fragments of Jade">Fragments of Jade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fragments_of_Jade" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Fragments of Jade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T01:02:00.000Z-For_the_Record" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T01:02:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T01:02:00.000Z-For_the_Record"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T01:06:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T01:02:00.000Z"></span>You would</i></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Fine. Be wrong. <dl><dd><i>You're not staff here, and you've no right to keep an eye on anyone.</i></dd></dl></dd> <dd>I don't believe there's any rule against that? <dl><dd><i>And there was never any sockpuppets</i></dd></dl></dd> <dd>That's <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thatcher&diff=229831376&oldid=229793103">a lie</a>... <dl><dd><i>other than yours.</i></dd></dl></dd> <dd>... and that's a baseless accusation. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.161.129.43" title="Special:Contributions/88.161.129.43">88.161.129.43</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:88.161.129.43" title="User talk:88.161.129.43">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T01:06:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T01:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:06, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T01:06:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T01:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-88.161.129.43-2008-08-15T01:06:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T01:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-15T05:26:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T01:02:00.000Z"></span>Y'know, I'd never noticed any of this until I looked at an unblock request from Fragments of Jade. Looking at the history, my first thought is "you people are making all this noise over articles about video games. This is totally lame." Get off my talk page with this crap. If either of you have problems with the other, take it through channels; if that doesn't work, drop it and stay away from each other. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-15T05:26:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T01:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-15T05:26:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T01:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-15T05:26:00.000Z-Fragments_of_Jade-2008-08-15T01:02:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_accusations_of_sexual_harrasment_on_my_talk_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_accusations_of_sexual_harrasment_on_my_talk_page-2008-08-15T03:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_accusations_of_sexual_harrasment_on_my_talk_page-2008-08-15T03:37:00.000Z"></span>Your accusations of sexual harrasment on my talk page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_accusations_of_sexual_harrasment_on_my_talk_page-2008-08-15T03:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nfitz-2008-08-15T03:37:00.000Z-Your_accusations_of_sexual_harrasment_on_my_talk_page"></span>I'm unsure what basis your using to accuse me of sexual harrasment. My comment in the AfD, while of poor choice, in poor taste, and poorly worded, in no way can be construed as sexual harrasment. Sexual harrasment requires both intent, and persistent behaviour. My comment was no more sexual harrasment than your was a personal attack. However, I am deeply concerned that such an accusation and finding appears in my block log. Can you expand on your views. <a href="/wiki/User:Nfitz" title="User:Nfitz">Nfitz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nfitz" title="User talk:Nfitz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Nfitz-2008-08-15T03:37:00.000Z-Your_accusations_of_sexual_harrasment_on_my_talk_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nfitz-2008-08-15T03:37:00.000Z-Your_accusations_of_sexual_harrasment_on_my_talk_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nfitz-2008-08-15T03:37:00.000Z-Your_accusations_of_sexual_harrasment_on_my_talk_page"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-15T05:08:00.000Z-Nfitz-2008-08-15T03:37:00.000Z"></span>Take a look at <a href="/wiki/Sexual_harassment" title="Sexual harassment">sexual harassment</a>: "The harasser may be completely unaware that his or her behavior is offensive or constitutes sexual harassment or may be completely unaware that his or her actions could be unlawful." Further, what makes you think it's not possible to sexually harass someone once? --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-15T05:08:00.000Z-Nfitz-2008-08-15T03:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-15T05:08:00.000Z-Nfitz-2008-08-15T03:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-15T05:08:00.000Z-Nfitz-2008-08-15T03:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:_Thanks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:_Thanks-2008-08-15T21:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:_Thanks-2008-08-15T21:33:00.000Z"></span>Re: Thanks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:_Thanks-2008-08-15T21:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-J.delanoy-2008-08-15T21:33:00.000Z-Re:_Thanks"></span>Yep. I protected it for 48 hours because I assumed that you would unprotect it yourself before then, and I didn't want to do it for like 6 hours and have the vandal just wait it out. <a href="/wiki/User:J.delanoy" title="User:J.delanoy"><span style="color:green;">J<b>.</b>delanoy</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:J.delanoy" title="User talk:J.delanoy"><sup style="color:red;">gabs</sup></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/J.delanoy" title="Special:Contributions/J.delanoy"><sub style="color:blue;">adds</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-J.delanoy-2008-08-15T21:33:00.000Z-Re:_Thanks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-J.delanoy-2008-08-15T21:33:00.000Z-Re:_Thanks"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-J.delanoy-2008-08-15T21:33:00.000Z-Re:_Thanks"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Grawp" data-mw-thread-id="h-Grawp-2008-08-16T15:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Grawp-2008-08-16T15:08:00.000Z"></span>Grawp<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Grawp-2008-08-16T15:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rlevse-2008-08-16T15:08:00.000Z-Grawp"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Changing_username#Kemetstuff_.E2.86.92_Charry17" title="Wikipedia:Changing username">Wikipedia:Changing_username#Kemetstuff_.E2.86.92_Charry17</a>. You blocked Charry17 as Grawp, so I declined this request. Is Kemetstuff Grawp too? <span style="font-family: verdana;"> — <a href="/wiki/User:Rlevse" title="User:Rlevse"><span style="color:#060;"><b><i>R</i>levse</b></span></a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rlevse" title="User talk:Rlevse"><span style="color:#990;">Talk</span></a> • </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Rlevse-2008-08-16T15:08:00.000Z-Grawp" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 16 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rlevse-2008-08-16T15:08:00.000Z-Grawp"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rlevse-2008-08-16T15:08:00.000Z-Grawp"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-16T22:59:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-08-16T15:08:00.000Z"></span>No, Kemetstuff is not Grawp. However, Grawp did create Charry17. Perhaps Kemetstuff might not want a name tarred by Grawp. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-16T22:59:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-08-16T15:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-16T22:59:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-08-16T15:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-16T22:59:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-08-16T15:08:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rlevse-2008-08-16T23:40:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-16T22:59:00.000Z"></span>Ah, that explains it. I knew something was up as there were too many of these right now, about 6 or so. I'll ask the requestors what they want to do. <span style="font-family: verdana;"> — <a href="/wiki/User:Rlevse" title="User:Rlevse"><span style="color:#060;"><b><i>R</i>levse</b></span></a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rlevse" title="User talk:Rlevse"><span style="color:#990;">Talk</span></a> • </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Rlevse-2008-08-16T23:40:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-16T22:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rlevse-2008-08-16T23:40:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-16T22:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rlevse-2008-08-16T23:40:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-16T22:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nichalp-2008-08-17T09:29:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-08-16T15:08:00.000Z"></span>Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Grawp_attack_on_CHU" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Grawp attack on CHU</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Nichalp" title="User:Nichalp"><span style="color:#0082B8;">=Nichalp</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nichalp" title="User talk:Nichalp"><span style="color:#0082B8;">«Talk»=</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Nichalp-2008-08-17T09:29:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-08-16T15:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nichalp-2008-08-17T09:29:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-08-16T15:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nichalp-2008-08-17T09:29:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-08-16T15:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="OrangeMarlin_mentorship" data-mw-thread-id="h-OrangeMarlin_mentorship-2008-08-13T15:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-OrangeMarlin_mentorship-2008-08-13T15:08:00.000Z"></span>OrangeMarlin mentorship<span data-mw-comment-end="h-OrangeMarlin_mentorship-2008-08-13T15:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Peter_Damian&diff=231630701&oldid=231451817"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:08:00.000Z-OrangeMarlin_mentorship"></span>[2]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Avruch" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Avruch"><strong style="color:#000;background:#fff;border:0px solid #000">Avruch</strong></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Avruch" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Avruch"><sup><strong style="color:#000;background:#fff;border:0px solid #000"> T </strong></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:08:00.000Z-OrangeMarlin_mentorship" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 13 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:08:00.000Z-OrangeMarlin_mentorship"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:08:00.000Z-OrangeMarlin_mentorship"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-13T15:19:00.000Z-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:08:00.000Z"></span>grrr. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-13T15:19:00.000Z-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-13T15:19:00.000Z-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-13T15:19:00.000Z-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:08:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:21:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-13T15:19:00.000Z"></span>I will never forgive FT2 for what he did to me. And now that there's a concerted effort to remove some of the pseudoscience around here, especially FT2's favorite crap, I'm going to do everything to help. Sorry if that offends you Avruch. But I wasn't treated fairly, and now I get to do something above board and completely within the rules of Wikipedia to make some changes for the better. Again, sorry if that offends your sensibilities, but that posting was nothing but facts and an offer of support. And a warning that FT2 has a pattern of engaging in secret hearings to damage those who don't support his POV. Completely fair on my part. <a href="/wiki/User:Orangemarlin" title="User:Orangemarlin"><span style="color:orange;"><b>Orange</b></span><span style="color:teal;"><b>Marlin</b></span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin" title="User talk:Orangemarlin">Talk•</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin" title="Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin">Contributions</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:21:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-13T15:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:21:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-13T15:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:21:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-13T15:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:30:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:21:00.000Z"></span>I understand you have a reason to be upset, and your dismay has been validated by practically the entire community and the arbitration committee. What is wrong and inappropriate is discussing methods for destroying content written by FT2 because of your dismay, and its wrong to turn your dismay into a personal vendetta. It also conflicts with the tenor of your comments not that long ago, which is disappointing because I (and a lot of people) were impressed by them. <a href="/wiki/User:Avruch" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Avruch"><strong style="color:#000;background:#fff;border:0px solid #000">Avruch</strong></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Avruch" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Avruch"><sup><strong style="color:#000;background:#fff;border:0px solid #000"> T </strong></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:30:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:30:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:30:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:31:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:21:00.000Z"></span>I'm also not sure that you're aware of the entire history of Peter Damian, and in particular his pursuit of FT2. Take a look at the current AN thread for some background. <a href="/wiki/User:Avruch" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Avruch"><strong style="color:#000;background:#fff;border:0px solid #000">Avruch</strong></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Avruch" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Avruch"><sup><strong style="color:#000;background:#fff;border:0px solid #000"> T </strong></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:31:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:31:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:31:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:36:00.000Z-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:31:00.000Z"></span>Except if you read my contributions, you'd know I despise pseudoscientific cruft, without any reservations. I have basically done nothing to FT2, short of one passive aggressive statement, over the past month and a half since he tried to screw me. Now that I get to assist in ridding this encyclopedia of his favorite pseudoscientific cruft, well I just consider that a bonus. Yes, I think FT2 should have been run off this project. Yes, I hope this helps in some small way. Note his attempts to save his pet crap with suspect logic and poor sourcing. And yes, I know Peter Damian's background, his regular contributions to WR etc. I don't know, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. <a href="/wiki/User:Orangemarlin" title="User:Orangemarlin"><span style="color:orange;"><b>Orange</b></span><span style="color:teal;"><b>Marlin</b></span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin" title="User talk:Orangemarlin">Talk•</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin" title="Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin">Contributions</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:36:00.000Z-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 13 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:36:00.000Z-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:36:00.000Z-Avruch-2008-08-13T15:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-13T15:44:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:36:00.000Z"></span>Wikipedia is not a battlefield, and this sort of rhetoric and personalization is not acceptable here. Please desist. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-13T15:44:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 13 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-13T15:44:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-13T15:44:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T15:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T16:30:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-13T15:44:00.000Z"></span>OK. I'll delete my comments there. Let me growl internally. <a href="/wiki/User:Orangemarlin" title="User:Orangemarlin"><span style="color:orange;"><b>Orange</b></span><span style="color:teal;"><b>Marlin</b></span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin" title="User talk:Orangemarlin">Talk•</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin" title="Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin">Contributions</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T16:30:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-13T15:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T16:30:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-13T15:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T16:30:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-13T15:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-08-14T03:03:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T16:30:00.000Z"></span>I heard a lot of growling so I came to peek - Avruch has summed it up. Although I was initially against the mentorship proposal, excepting this incident, I was really impressed at the positive change (and progress made). Even if there's a lot of internal growling, keep it up - mentor & mentee! :) <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-08-14T03:03:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-08-14T03:03:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T16:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-08-14T03:03:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-13T16:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-14T04:45:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-08-14T03:03:00.000Z"></span>I growled publicly, which I shouldn't have done. Jpg took me back to the woodshed and gave me a right fine whippin'. :) <a href="/wiki/User:Orangemarlin" title="User:Orangemarlin"><span style="color:orange;"><b>Orange</b></span><span style="color:teal;"><b>Marlin</b></span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin" title="User talk:Orangemarlin">Talk•</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin" title="Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin">Contributions</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-14T04:45:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-08-14T03:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-14T04:45:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-08-14T03:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orangemarlin-2008-08-14T04:45:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-08-14T03:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_Damian-2008-08-19T17:56:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-14T04:45:00.000Z"></span>I only just noticed this discussion, and I am a trifle upset by the personalised references to me. Certainly Wikipedia is not the place for personal attacks, nor for vendettas, nor for settling personal scores, nor for any kind of personalisation of issues. But by the same token we should not be treating valid, in-principle objections as personal issues. The community should be dealing with them in an open and honest way. I have a abiding concern about the proliferation of pseudo-science (and pseudo-academese) in Wikipedia. I have been fighting a (generally losing) battle with it ever since I joined in 2003. And I would have a serious concern <i>if</i> (note the 'if') the Wikipedia administration were systematically protecting those who are promoting pseudoscience on the project (or punishing those who are trying to fight it). I definitely have a concern that merely raising this issue, i.e. as an in-principle concern, is being treated as a personal attack, or a vendetta or whatever. Guy, with the agreement of FT2 has proposed an open discussion about the issues connected with the NLP articles. We should not be afraid of engaging in this. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_Damian" title="User:Peter Damian">Peter Damian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_Damian" title="User talk:Peter Damian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Peter_Damian-2008-08-19T17:56:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-14T04:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_Damian-2008-08-19T17:56:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-14T04:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_Damian-2008-08-19T17:56:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-08-14T04:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Confusion_over_the_plural_of_'bureau'" data-mw-thread-id="h-Confusion_over_the_plural_of_'bureau'-2008-08-17T17:44:00.000Z"><span id="Confusion_over_the_plural_of_.27bureau.27"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Confusion_over_the_plural_of_'bureau'-2008-08-17T17:44:00.000Z"></span>Confusion over the plural of 'bureau'<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Confusion_over_the_plural_of_'bureau'-2008-08-17T17:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ethanoylchloride-2008-08-17T17:44:00.000Z-Confusion_over_the_plural_of_'bureau'"></span>Given your revert of my correction of the incorrect plural 'bureaus' to the correct 'bureaux' (and your subsequent message, albeit meaningless) on the edit summary, do you not think that, given this is supposed to be an article on one of the most respected American newspapers, the correct use of French plurals would be appropriate. Especially seeming as the New York Times' House style is 'bureaux'. </p><p>Your edit profile comment was: ""bureaux"? Not in English, at least not in American English, and this is an article about an American subject.'. This made me feel horribly embarrassed for you: do you not know how to pluralize (semi) non-naturalised foreign words? I've changed it back to the correct version, but I'm sure you'll change it back. Never mind. I was going to give you some appropriate links, but actually just consult any dictionary! By the way, I notice from the 'Help: reverting' page on Wikipedia the following: </p><p>Don'ts Don't let superfluous or badly written material stand in order to avoid slighting its original author. Though your intentions may be good, doing so shirks your duty to the reader. </p><p>Clearly, you have replaced something correct with something incorrect, or 'badly written material', hence my revert. </p><p>Best wishes, </p><p><br/> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ethanoylchloride&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ethanoylchloride (page does not exist)">Ethanoylchloride</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ethanoylchloride&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Ethanoylchloride (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ethanoylchloride-2008-08-17T17:44:00.000Z-Confusion_over_the_plural_of_'bureau'" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ethanoylchloride-2008-08-17T17:44:00.000Z-Confusion_over_the_plural_of_'bureau'"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ethanoylchloride-2008-08-17T17:44:00.000Z-Confusion_over_the_plural_of_'bureau'"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-17T19:43:00.000Z-Ethanoylchloride-2008-08-17T17:44:00.000Z"></span>Feel free to discuss such things on the article talk page. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-17T19:43:00.000Z-Ethanoylchloride-2008-08-17T17:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-17T19:43:00.000Z-Ethanoylchloride-2008-08-17T17:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-17T19:43:00.000Z-Ethanoylchloride-2008-08-17T17:44:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:-2008-08-23T06:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:-2008-08-23T06:11:00.000Z"></span>Re:<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:-2008-08-23T06:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BowlerGuy426-2008-08-23T06:11:00.000Z-Re:"></span>isnt obama a Mulatto? <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BowlerGuy426&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BowlerGuy426 (page does not exist)">BowlerGuy426</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BowlerGuy426" title="User talk:BowlerGuy426">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/BowlerGuy426" title="Special:Contributions/BowlerGuy426">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-BowlerGuy426-2008-08-23T06:11:00.000Z-Re:" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:11, 23 August 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BowlerGuy426-2008-08-23T06:11:00.000Z-Re:"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BowlerGuy426-2008-08-23T06:11:00.000Z-Re:"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Email" data-mw-thread-id="h-Email-2008-08-21T03:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Email-2008-08-21T03:52:00.000Z"></span>Email<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Email-2008-08-21T03:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Persian_Poet_Gal-2008-08-21T03:52:00.000Z-Email"></span>Sorry that it took so long for me to respond to your email! Please check your inbox...<a href="/wiki/User:Persian_Poet_Gal" title="User:Persian Poet Gal"><i style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:purple;"><b>¤~Persian Poet Gal</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Persian_Poet_Gal" title="User talk:Persian Poet Gal"><sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Persian_Poet_Gal-2008-08-21T03:52:00.000Z-Email" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Persian_Poet_Gal-2008-08-21T03:52:00.000Z-Email"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Persian_Poet_Gal-2008-08-21T03:52:00.000Z-Email"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="My_fan" data-mw-thread-id="h-My_fan-2008-08-23T07:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-My_fan-2008-08-23T07:02:00.000Z"></span>My fan<span data-mw-comment-end="h-My_fan-2008-08-23T07:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Viriditas/sandbox&diff=next&oldid=233510765"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Die4Dixie-2008-08-23T07:02:00.000Z-My_fan"></span>[3]</a> and <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Viriditas/sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=233515814">[4]</a> linking me to some edit on a Hitler family edit by an anon IP is a little over the top. I'm in Scotland on holiday at the moment, but will return to "the South" soon.(Almost said when , but that would allow this now alarming person to more easily find me).<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Viriditas/sandbox&diff=233517202&oldid=233516729">[5]</a>. If he trots this nasty dog and pony show out of his sand box, can he be dealt with promptly? Any advise? Feel free to email me or answer here or my talk page. Thanks.<a href="/wiki/User:Die4Dixie" title="User:Die4Dixie">Die4Dixie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Die4Dixie" title="User talk:Die4Dixie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Die4Dixie-2008-08-23T07:02:00.000Z-My_fan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Die4Dixie-2008-08-23T07:02:00.000Z-My_fan"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Die4Dixie-2008-08-23T07:02:00.000Z-My_fan"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-23T07:26:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2008-08-23T07:02:00.000Z"></span>Well, basically, he needs to put up or shut up -- which he did by blanking the page. You pretty much geo-located yourself when you accidentally edited when logged off, but it's certainly nothing a reasonable person would suggest was <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOCK">sockpuppetry</a>. Why he thinks you edited <a href="/wiki/Geli_Raubal" title="Geli Raubal">Geli Raubal</a> is beyond me -- you've no history of editing Nazi-related things that I could find; and why <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Geli_Raubal&diff=145058297&oldid=142962981">those edits</a> would be considered in any way questionable is also beyond me. Of course, you know as well as I do that your username is provocative, but it's been brought before the community before and found acceptable; Viriditas has the right to bring it up again, however, and community opinion does change over time - I can't predict what the outcome would be. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-23T07:26:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2008-08-23T07:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-23T07:26:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2008-08-23T07:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-23T07:26:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2008-08-23T07:02:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Doc_Pomus_issues" data-mw-thread-id="h-Doc_Pomus_issues-2008-08-25T00:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Doc_Pomus_issues-2008-08-25T00:02:00.000Z"></span>Doc Pomus issues<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Doc_Pomus_issues-2008-08-25T00:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peaches5-2008-08-25T00:02:00.000Z-Doc_Pomus_issues"></span>Information I have added within the past twenty-four hours to a Wiki bio of my father-in-law, with whom I was well acquainted for over 25 years, has been repeatedly altered or deleted at WIKI, based entirely on personal whim and bias. While I understand that maintaining Wiki must be very difficult and a thankless undertaking, I do not believe it appropriate that a sole administrator should be permitted to make changes without being checked by at least one or two other administrators knowledgeable in the applicable field(s) being address. Someone who may not possess adequate knowledge to address and edit the biography of a legendary songwriter Doc Pomus. </p><p>Also, I respectfully take issue with the notion of verification as being more important than truth. Is the purpose of Wikipedia to repeat bad history? The verification requirement seems avoids the catch-22 factor. How does the person who knows from whom Spiro Agnew received construction kick backs get that fact, that truth into Wikipedia. It has to appear in the New York Times first? <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Peaches5&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Peaches5 (page does not exist)">Peaches5</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peaches5" title="User talk:Peaches5">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Peaches5" title="Special:Contributions/Peaches5">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Peaches5-2008-08-25T00:02:00.000Z-Doc_Pomus_issues" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peaches5-2008-08-25T00:02:00.000Z-Doc_Pomus_issues"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peaches5-2008-08-25T00:02:00.000Z-Doc_Pomus_issues"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-25T01:13:00.000Z-Peaches5-2008-08-25T00:02:00.000Z"></span>Well, you're free to disagree with the verifiability requirements, but they're a basic tenet of Wikipedia's ethos, and it's not going to be changed. Yes, it has to appear in the NYTimes first (or some reliable source); your personal memory is not a verifiable source. As far as <a href="/wiki/Doc_Pomus" title="Doc Pomus">Doc Pomus</a> is concerned, the "first caucasian" language is peculiar, but if you can find a reliable source describing in that fashion (rather than just you pointing it out) it will have a lot better chance of getting it to stick in the article. On another note, I dislike and do not appreciate your suggesting I'm in some way biased; Doc Pomus is a huge hero of mine, as he should be of any musician, and I can't imagine what possible bias you think I'm showing. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-25T01:13:00.000Z-Peaches5-2008-08-25T00:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-25T01:13:00.000Z-Peaches5-2008-08-25T00:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-25T01:13:00.000Z-Peaches5-2008-08-25T00:02:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-25T21:54:00.000Z-Doc_Pomus_issues"></span>Previously, there was at least an implication that you dismissed information pertaining to Doc Pomus as the "first caucasian" given the Pioneer Award by the Rhythm & Blues Foundation as unimportant, because, according to you, it was only the second time the award was handed out. When the truth that the award actually had been handed out to seventeen 'pioneers' was brought to your attention, you claimed (above) that "'the first caucasian' language is peculiar" and insisted on keeping the fact that Doc even received the Pioneer Award out of his bio. Referencing the fact that Doc is white (do I need some DNA proof of that or a quotable remark from a publication that takes itself and not always the truth way too seriously?) and was the recipient of the R&B Foundation's highest honor is intended to indicate his significance in the history of a music that has its roots in overwhelmingly 'non-caucasian' milieux. BTW, what and where is the Blues Hall of Fame mentioned in the bio? What is the verification for that? Also, has anyone verified that the self-promoted song listed in the article was written for the reason mentioned? </p><p>I understand the difficulties of policing; but, you must allow that alone by definition your judgement is subjective and that you are using your judgement alone to label my remarks subjective. Isn't that odd? I knew the man and you did not. I also know many of the sources of the references, incidentally. If everything must be verified by The New York Times first, then, according to a Wikipedia, Watergate may not have happened really (after all it hadn't happened until the overly late reportage in the NY Times); Roosevelt did not have polio; and Iraq had atomic weapons (referred to in the NYT as WMD!!!). Anyway, this is not a hill I wish to die for, so edit away. What Wikipedia perhaps could have been is best left to promote the achievements of those with press agents abundant (and that includes songwriting teams, music producers and record company owners) and to never, never allow for what goes unprinted but really happened and continues to happen in al fields. Thank you and good luck. - Peaches5 </p> <ul><li>Feel free to discuss your position regarding reliable sources and verifiability on the appropriate policy page -- in this case, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia talk:Verifiability">Wikipedia talk:Verifiability</a>. There's no point in making your points here. The rest of your statement remains weird. Note that I didn't remove your re-insertion that information into the article, even though I still think "first caucasian recipient in 191 of the Rhythm & Blues Foundation's Pioneer Award" has at least a couple of problems. Now, I still want your explantion as to in what way I'm biased; it's a nasty insult, and I won't discuss anything else with you until that's either retracted or explained. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-25T21:54:00.000Z-Doc_Pomus_issues" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 25 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-25T21:54:00.000Z-Doc_Pomus_issues"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-25T21:54:00.000Z-Doc_Pomus_issues"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peaches5-2008-08-25T22:14:00.000Z-Doc_Pomus_issues"></span>I believe that you may well be a good guy working at a labor of love, and you are not doubt very intelligence. However, regarding the bias issue, it is really one of those if-you-don't-know-then-I-can't-tell-you-situations. As for my "weird" statement, a great man once told me, "you can't hip a square and never try." & bob's your uncle <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Peaches5&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Peaches5 (page does not exist)">Peaches5</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peaches5" title="User talk:Peaches5">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Peaches5" title="Special:Contributions/Peaches5">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Peaches5-2008-08-25T22:14:00.000Z-Doc_Pomus_issues" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peaches5-2008-08-25T22:14:00.000Z-Doc_Pomus_issues"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peaches5-2008-08-25T22:14:00.000Z-Doc_Pomus_issues"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-25T23:42:00.000Z-Peaches5-2008-08-25T22:14:00.000Z"></span>In that case, all I can say is go to hell. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-25T23:42:00.000Z-Peaches5-2008-08-25T22:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-25T23:42:00.000Z-Peaches5-2008-08-25T22:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-25T23:42:00.000Z-Peaches5-2008-08-25T22:14:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peaches5-2008-08-26T02:53:00.000Z-Doc_Pomus_issues"></span>Apology accepted. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Peaches5&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Peaches5 (page does not exist)">Peaches5</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peaches5" title="User talk:Peaches5">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Peaches5" title="Special:Contributions/Peaches5">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Peaches5-2008-08-26T02:53:00.000Z-Doc_Pomus_issues" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peaches5-2008-08-26T02:53:00.000Z-Doc_Pomus_issues"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peaches5-2008-08-26T02:53:00.000Z-Doc_Pomus_issues"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Voice_of_Cheese" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Voice_of_Cheese-2008-08-26T13:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Voice_of_Cheese-2008-08-26T13:19:00.000Z"></span>The Voice of Cheese<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Voice_of_Cheese-2008-08-26T13:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.102.69.42-2008-08-26T13:19:00.000Z-The_Voice_of_Cheese"></span>Thanks for your support and help with my wiki page. --Richard Cheese lounge@richardcheese.com let me know if you want a pair of free tickets to our show at hard rock hotel this friday or sunday. RC <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.102.69.42" title="Special:Contributions/71.102.69.42">71.102.69.42</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:71.102.69.42" title="User talk:71.102.69.42">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-71.102.69.42-2008-08-26T13:19:00.000Z-The_Voice_of_Cheese" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.102.69.42-2008-08-26T13:19:00.000Z-The_Voice_of_Cheese"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.102.69.42-2008-08-26T13:19:00.000Z-The_Voice_of_Cheese"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-26T14:44:00.000Z-71.102.69.42-2008-08-26T13:19:00.000Z"></span>Wish I could, but I'm out of town this weekend. Saw you there a few months ago; great fun + good music. Laid back! --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-26T14:44:00.000Z-71.102.69.42-2008-08-26T13:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 26 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-26T14:44:00.000Z-71.102.69.42-2008-08-26T13:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-26T14:44:00.000Z-71.102.69.42-2008-08-26T13:19:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Martin_Luther_King,_Jr." data-mw-thread-id="h-Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.-2008-08-27T14:57:00.000Z"><span id="Martin_Luther_King.2C_Jr."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.-2008-08-27T14:57:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr." class="mw-redirect" title="Martin Luther King, Jr.">Martin Luther King, Jr.</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.-2008-08-27T14:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tpbradbury-2008-08-27T14:57:00.000Z-Martin_Luther_King,_Jr."></span>For, info, I've nominated at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations" title="Wikipedia:Good article nominations">good articles</a>, kind regards <a href="/wiki/User:Tpbradbury" title="User:Tpbradbury">Tom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tpbradbury" title="User talk:Tpbradbury">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Tpbradbury-2008-08-27T14:57:00.000Z-Martin_Luther_King,_Jr." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 27 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tpbradbury-2008-08-27T14:57:00.000Z-Martin_Luther_King,_Jr."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tpbradbury-2008-08-27T14:57:00.000Z-Martin_Luther_King,_Jr."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="just_out_of_curiosity..." data-mw-thread-id="h-just_out_of_curiosity...-2008-08-27T17:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-just_out_of_curiosity...-2008-08-27T17:49:00.000Z"></span>just out of curiosity...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-just_out_of_curiosity...-2008-08-27T17:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sub619-2008-08-27T17:49:00.000Z-just_out_of_curiosity..."></span>...is there any reason u blocked me or do u just like blocking innocent people? <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Sub619" title="User:Sub619">Sub619</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sub619" title="User talk:Sub619">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sub619" title="Special:Contributions/Sub619">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Sub619-2008-08-27T17:49:00.000Z-just_out_of_curiosity..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sub619-2008-08-27T17:49:00.000Z-just_out_of_curiosity..."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sub619-2008-08-27T17:49:00.000Z-just_out_of_curiosity..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-27T18:27:00.000Z-Sub619-2008-08-27T17:49:00.000Z"></span>I didn't block you; I just didn't unblock you. Every vandal claims to have little brothers actually responsible for the damage. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-27T18:27:00.000Z-Sub619-2008-08-27T17:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 27 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-27T18:27:00.000Z-Sub619-2008-08-27T17:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-27T18:27:00.000Z-Sub619-2008-08-27T17:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sub619-2008-08-27T18:47:00.000Z-just_out_of_curiosity..."></span>and because most vandals do it means im doing it? <a href="/wiki/User:Sub619" title="User:Sub619"><b><span style="background:black; color:#8888FF; border: 1px solid black"> Sub! </span></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Sub619-2008-08-27T18:47:00.000Z-just_out_of_curiosity..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sub619-2008-08-27T18:47:00.000Z-just_out_of_curiosity..."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sub619-2008-08-27T18:47:00.000Z-just_out_of_curiosity..."></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-27T18:49:00.000Z-Sub619-2008-08-27T18:47:00.000Z"></span>Probability is quite high, yes. But since you're obviously continuing to edit, it should be clear we don't believe the probability sufficiently high, at this moment, in your particular case. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-27T18:49:00.000Z-Sub619-2008-08-27T18:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-27T18:49:00.000Z-Sub619-2008-08-27T18:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-27T18:49:00.000Z-Sub619-2008-08-27T18:47:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sub619-2008-08-27T18:57:00.000Z-just_out_of_curiosity..."></span>interesting...<a href="/wiki/User:Sub619" title="User:Sub619"><b><span style="background:black; color:#8888FF; border: 1px solid black"> Sub! </span></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Sub619-2008-08-27T18:57:00.000Z-just_out_of_curiosity..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 27 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sub619-2008-08-27T18:57:00.000Z-just_out_of_curiosity..."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sub619-2008-08-27T18:57:00.000Z-just_out_of_curiosity..."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Italian_names_in_musical_instrument_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Italian_names_in_musical_instrument_template-2008-08-28T14:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Italian_names_in_musical_instrument_template-2008-08-28T14:03:00.000Z"></span>Italian names in musical instrument template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Italian_names_in_musical_instrument_template-2008-08-28T14:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Acsenray-2008-08-28T14:03:00.000Z-Italian_names_in_musical_instrument_template"></span>My reasoning is that the Italian names for instruments -- especially those used in orchestras -- is important enough to be highlighted at the top of the template because traditionally, musical scores are labeled by the name of the instrument in Italian only, regardless of the origin of the piece or the location of the publisher. These days it's not exclusive any more, but it's still very likely if someone picks up a sheet of music, he or she will have to know the Italian name in order to know which instrument it's written for. <a href="/wiki/User:Acsenray" title="User:Acsenray">Acsenray</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Acsenray" title="User talk:Acsenray">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Acsenray-2008-08-28T14:03:00.000Z-Italian_names_in_musical_instrument_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Acsenray-2008-08-28T14:03:00.000Z-Italian_names_in_musical_instrument_template"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Acsenray-2008-08-28T14:03:00.000Z-Italian_names_in_musical_instrument_template"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate-2008-08-27T19:32:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets.2FBenkenobi_is_a_retardate"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate-2008-08-27T19:32:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate" title="Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Benkenobi is a retardate">Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Benkenobi is a retardate</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate-2008-08-27T19:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-08-27T19:32:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate"></span>Please see the above page. Sorry for the long report, but I really want to get this off my back. As it says, I expected at least one of the suspected socks to go around editing while I file the report. <a href="/wiki/User:Ausonia" title="User:Ausonia">User:Ausonia</a> is doing just that. Please help if you can. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-08-27T19:32:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 27 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-08-27T19:32:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-08-27T19:32:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-27T21:09:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-27T19:32:00.000Z"></span>Quite an underwear drawer there. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-27T21:09:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-27T19:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-27T21:09:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-27T19:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-27T21:09:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-27T19:32:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-08-27T23:03:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-27T19:32:00.000Z"></span>Hey Jpgodon. I am just here to let you know that I responded on that page. <a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-08-27T23:03:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-27T19:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-08-27T23:03:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-27T19:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-08-27T23:03:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-27T19:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-08-27T23:09:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-27T23:03:00.000Z"></span>Sorry; I forgot about the section editing ...well, responded over there. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-08-27T23:09:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-27T23:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-08-27T23:09:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-27T23:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-08-27T23:09:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-27T23:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-08-28T04:25:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate"></span>Thank you very much for helping out in dealing with the issue. I will fill out a full report on RFCU tommorow (I'll have to go to sleep soon). I greatly appreciate the help, and if you ever need something in return, don't hesitate to ask me. Kind regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-08-28T04:25:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-08-28T04:25:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-08-28T04:25:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-08-28T05:02:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-28T04:25:00.000Z"></span>One last quick note for tonight: it seems that I keep finding addresses that seem to change all of the time (just now, I found <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://toolserver.org/~luxo/contributions/contributions.php?user=201.34.147.78&blocks=true&lang=">201.34.147.78's global contribs</a>, who removed some information). It won't be easy for me to undo all of these ridiculous POV edits, but I will try my best. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-08-28T05:02:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-28T04:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:02, 28 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-08-28T05:02:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-28T04:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-08-28T05:02:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-28T04:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-08-28T05:26:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-28T05:02:00.000Z"></span>Oh dear, ...I should tell you this sooner rather than later... <a class="external text" href="https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Concistoro&action=history">itwiki vandalism</a>. I have looked at my earlier report and I'm barely halfway through whilst finding so many cross-wiki edits ...this guy is uber desperate. Well, anyway, I will see what I can do tommorow. <a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-08-28T05:26:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-28T05:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-08-28T05:26:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-28T05:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-08-28T05:26:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-08-28T05:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mike.lifeguard-2008-08-28T10:13:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate"></span>You may wish to open a new section at <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Vandalism_reports#Current_cross_wiki_vandalism" class="extiw" title="m:Vandalism reports">m:Vandalism reports#Current cross wiki vandalism</a> to get some more assistance. If you are an admin, you may join <a href="irc://irc.libera.chat/wikimedia-admin" class="extiw" title="irc:wikimedia-admin">#wikimedia-admin</a> to work with other administrators on several wikis to combat this vandal. If you're not an admin, you may get help in <a href="irc://irc.libera.chat/wikimedia-stewards" class="extiw" title="irc:wikimedia-stewards">#wikimedia-stewards</a> as well. If you need something else, you can email me or use my talk page <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike.lifeguard" class="extiw" title="m:User talk:Mike.lifeguard">at meta</a>. <b>— <a href="/wiki/User:Mike.lifeguard" title="User:Mike.lifeguard"><b style="color:#309;">Mike</b></a>.<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mike.lifeguard" title="User talk:Mike.lifeguard"><b style="color:#309;">lifeguard</b></a></b> | <sup><a href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike.lifeguard" class="extiw" title="b:User talk:Mike.lifeguard"><span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Mike.lifeguard-2008-08-28T10:13:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:13, 28 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mike.lifeguard-2008-08-28T10:13:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mike.lifeguard-2008-08-28T10:13:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Benkenobi_is_a_retardate"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-08-28T16:38:00.000Z-Mike.lifeguard-2008-08-28T10:13:00.000Z"></span>Yes, thanks Mike.lifeguard. I have gone cross-wiki reporting before, so after I fill out an RFCU, that's the first thing I plan on doing. I'll also keep Jpgordon's advice, and hopefully I will be able to set my mind on something else eventually. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-08-28T16:38:00.000Z-Mike.lifeguard-2008-08-28T10:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-08-28T16:38:00.000Z-Mike.lifeguard-2008-08-28T10:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-08-28T16:38:00.000Z-Mike.lifeguard-2008-08-28T10:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Paul_Deezer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Paul_Deezer-2008-08-28T17:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Paul_Deezer-2008-08-28T17:37:00.000Z"></span>Paul Deezer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Paul_Deezer-2008-08-28T17:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tanthalas39-2008-08-28T17:37:00.000Z-Paul_Deezer"></span>Hey, I saw you declined the second unblock request - no issue there, I would have, also. However, as the blocking admin, I am thinking of unblocking and giving them a second chance. Any vehement opposition to that? <a href="/wiki/User:Tanthalas39" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tanthalas39"><span style="color:#CC7722; font-family:Papyrus;"><b>Tan</b></span></a> <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">ǀ</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tanthalas39" title="User talk:Tanthalas39"><span style="color:#21421E; font-family:Papyrus;">39</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Tanthalas39-2008-08-28T17:37:00.000Z-Paul_Deezer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tanthalas39-2008-08-28T17:37:00.000Z-Paul_Deezer"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tanthalas39-2008-08-28T17:37:00.000Z-Paul_Deezer"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-28T17:39:00.000Z-Tanthalas39-2008-08-28T17:37:00.000Z"></span>None in particular, except for he does seem in violation of the username policy, given that his name and the website he's been promoting are identical. Don't much care otherwise. -<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-28T17:39:00.000Z-Tanthalas39-2008-08-28T17:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 28 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-28T17:39:00.000Z-Tanthalas39-2008-08-28T17:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-28T17:39:00.000Z-Tanthalas39-2008-08-28T17:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tanthalas39-2008-08-28T17:53:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-28T17:39:00.000Z"></span>It's all probably moot; we either won't see this user again or he'll come back, post one spam link, and I'll reblock. I have a reputation as a bit of a hard-ass; so maybe I'm trying to prove a point that I can be forgiving ;-) Thanks for your input - I'll let you know if anything interesting happens. <a href="/wiki/User:Tanthalas39" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tanthalas39"><span style="color:#CC7722; font-family:Papyrus;"><b>Tan</b></span></a> <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">ǀ</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tanthalas39" title="User talk:Tanthalas39"><span style="color:#21421E; font-family:Papyrus;">39</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Tanthalas39-2008-08-28T17:53:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-28T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tanthalas39-2008-08-28T17:53:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-28T17:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tanthalas39-2008-08-28T17:53:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-28T17:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Advice" data-mw-thread-id="h-Advice-2008-08-30T23:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Advice-2008-08-30T23:54:00.000Z"></span>Advice<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Advice-2008-08-30T23:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jehochman-2008-08-30T23:54:00.000Z-Advice"></span>I have followed your advice, but nobody seems to be paying attention.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration&diff=prev&oldid=235251317">[6]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jehochman" title="User:Jehochman">Jehochman</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jehochman" title="User talk:Jehochman">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jehochman-2008-08-30T23:54:00.000Z-Advice" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:54, 30 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jehochman-2008-08-30T23:54:00.000Z-Advice"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jehochman-2008-08-30T23:54:00.000Z-Advice"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-30T23:59:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-08-30T23:54:00.000Z"></span>Better now? --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-08-30T23:59:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-08-30T23:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 30 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-30T23:59:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-08-30T23:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-08-30T23:59:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-08-30T23:54:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jehochman-2008-08-31T00:01:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-30T23:59:00.000Z"></span>Yes, thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Jehochman" title="User:Jehochman">Jehochman</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jehochman" title="User talk:Jehochman">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jehochman-2008-08-31T00:01:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-30T23:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jehochman-2008-08-31T00:01:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-30T23:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jehochman-2008-08-31T00:01:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-08-30T23:59:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Block_log_borking" data-mw-thread-id="h-Block_log_borking-2008-09-01T02:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Block_log_borking-2008-09-01T02:38:00.000Z"></span>Block log borking<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Block_log_borking-2008-09-01T02:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MBisanz-2008-09-01T02:38:00.000Z-Block_log_borking"></span>Hey Josh, I stumbled across this odd block log when declining a block <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Sleeping_frog">[7]</a>. It seems if the block button is clicked multiple times when we are blocking this happens. It isn't an issue in this case, since this is a throwaway sock, but I imagine if this happened to a long-term user, they wouldn't be happy. Maybe worth a bugzilla or something. <b><a href="/wiki/User:MBisanz" title="User:MBisanz"><span style="color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;">MBisanz</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MBisanz" title="User talk:MBisanz"><span style="color: #FFA500;">talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-MBisanz-2008-09-01T02:38:00.000Z-Block_log_borking" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:38, 1 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MBisanz-2008-09-01T02:38:00.000Z-Block_log_borking"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MBisanz-2008-09-01T02:38:00.000Z-Block_log_borking"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T03:05:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-09-01T02:38:00.000Z"></span>This seems to have happened <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3AWikidemo">for Wikidemo</a> as well, who wasn't actually effected since he had recently did a username change. From what I can tell, Wikidemo is the user who made the sockpuppet report, not one of the socks. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Ned_Scott" title="User:Ned Scott">Ned Scott</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T03:05:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-09-01T02:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T03:05:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-09-01T02:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T03:05:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-09-01T02:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T03:35:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T03:05:00.000Z"></span>There should probably be another block action to put a note in the log. This could cause a lot of confusion, especially since he was recently renamed. I was sure confused when I noticed the block action on my watchlist. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Ned_Scott" title="User:Ned Scott">Ned Scott</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T03:35:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T03:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T03:35:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T03:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T03:35:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T03:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:42:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T03:35:00.000Z"></span>Is Wikidemo a known good user? --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:42:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T03:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 1 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:42:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T03:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:42:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T03:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jehochman-2008-09-01T03:44:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:42:00.000Z"></span>I think they <i>appear</i> to be a good user. They were renamed <a href="/wiki/User:Wikidemon" title="User:Wikidemon">User:Wikidemon</a> a short while ago.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username&diff=234625614&oldid=234625501">[8]</a> Perhaps a vandal/troll grabbed the old username somehow? If not, you should be looking at the new account if there has been socking. <a href="/wiki/User:Jehochman" title="User:Jehochman">Jehochman</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jehochman" title="User talk:Jehochman">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jehochman-2008-09-01T03:44:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jehochman-2008-09-01T03:44:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jehochman-2008-09-01T03:44:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:52:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-09-01T03:44:00.000Z"></span>Oh, I plumb forgot about that possibility. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=&page=User%3AWikidemo&year=&month=-1">Yup</a>. You're right. Bugzilla filed for the repeated blocking problem. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:52:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-09-01T03:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:52:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-09-01T03:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:52:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-09-01T03:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:54:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:52:00.000Z"></span>I should point out that this won't happen with the regular admin block tools. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:54:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:54:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:54:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T03:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T04:10:00.000Z-Block_log_borking"></span>Wikidemo is indeed a good user. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Ned_Scott" title="User:Ned Scott">Ned Scott</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T04:10:00.000Z-Block_log_borking" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T04:10:00.000Z-Block_log_borking"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T04:10:00.000Z-Block_log_borking"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T04:12:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T04:10:00.000Z"></span>The original one, that is. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Ned_Scott" title="User:Ned Scott">Ned Scott</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T04:12:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T04:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 1 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T04:12:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T04:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T04:12:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T04:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T04:41:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T04:12:00.000Z"></span>Yup. Figured that out pretty quickly -- was just asking to make sure. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T04:41:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T04:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T04:41:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T04:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T04:41:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2008-09-01T04:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sean_Smith" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sean_Smith-2008-09-01T21:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sean_Smith-2008-09-01T21:10:00.000Z"></span>Sean Smith<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sean_Smith-2008-09-01T21:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaulGIOMann-2008-09-01T21:10:00.000Z-Sean_Smith"></span>I'm Paul Giomann, and I'm on the same computer as Sean Smith right now, because I'm a good friend, and would to like to ask on behalf of Sean Smith if you could take back the blocking you inflicted on Sean's profile just because his name is "Sean Goes Pop!" The name would be promotional only if it said, "Listen to Sean Goes Pop!" or "Check Out Sean Goes Pop!" Theres no rules aganst harmless promoting of one's music on their talk page, but Sean Goes Pop! as a name is not promotional. This was his nickname far before he chose to use it as a musical alias. If you could please unblock Sean Goes Pop!, we would be greatful. also, I have put up MANY new relible sources for the actual Sean Goes Pop! page, and if you STILL find them not up to snuff, then Sean and I are perfectly fine with you or the community to take down the Sean Goes Pop! wikipedia page. There is nothing wrong with that. We are ok if you do that. But there is no reason to block "Sean Goes Pop!" from everything just because his FANS asked him and me to create a wikipedia page. We believe that there should be one, but if you dont believe so, then that is fine with us. But blocking Sean is going too far. Its somewhat rude. <a href="/wiki/User:PaulGIOMann" title="User:PaulGIOMann">PaulGIOMann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaulGIOMann" title="User talk:PaulGIOMann">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-PaulGIOMann-2008-09-01T21:10:00.000Z-Sean_Smith" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaulGIOMann-2008-09-01T21:10:00.000Z-Sean_Smith"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaulGIOMann-2008-09-01T21:10:00.000Z-Sean_Smith"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T21:16:00.000Z-PaulGIOMann-2008-09-01T21:10:00.000Z"></span>Yes, there are rules against self-promotion. You need to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOT">what Wikipedia is not</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T21:16:00.000Z-PaulGIOMann-2008-09-01T21:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:16, 1 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T21:16:00.000Z-PaulGIOMann-2008-09-01T21:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-01T21:16:00.000Z-PaulGIOMann-2008-09-01T21:10:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mooretwin" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mooretwin-2008-09-02T14:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mooretwin-2008-09-02T14:53:00.000Z"></span>Mooretwin<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mooretwin-2008-09-02T14:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T14:53:00.000Z-Mooretwin"></span>Why are you refusing to unblock Mooretwin. He was defending concensus on naming convention. By blocking him you are overturning a concensus which has existed for several years and which is under discussion <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Republic_of_Ireland/">here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Thunderer" title="User:The Thunderer">The Thunderer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Thunderer" title="User talk:The Thunderer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T14:53:00.000Z-Mooretwin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T14:53:00.000Z-Mooretwin"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T14:53:00.000Z-Mooretwin"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T15:03:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T14:53:00.000Z"></span>Feel free to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:3RR">three revert rule</a>. We don't like edit warring, and we don't care which side is right. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T15:03:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T14:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T15:03:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T14:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T15:03:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T14:53:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:24:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T14:53:00.000Z"></span>I am familiar with it. If the editor was defending concensus and was being tag teamed he was not the one edit warring. As a result of this the tag team were able to push their POV edit through and it's now protected. I don't feel that's right, certainly not when discussion is going on at the ROI talk page. You should familiarise yourself with the policies and guidelines on Irish matters. It's not all as clear cut and simple as you might think.<a href="/wiki/User:The_Thunderer" title="User:The Thunderer">The Thunderer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Thunderer" title="User talk:The Thunderer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:24:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T14:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:24:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T14:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:24:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T14:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T15:45:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:24:00.000Z"></span>So find some other admin to decide these reversions were covered by one of the exceptions to 3RR. I disagree, but I'm just one of 1500 or so. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T15:45:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T15:45:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T15:45:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:24:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:57:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:24:00.000Z"></span>If you disagree and aren't familiar with the Irish Question may I ask why you decided to refuse the editor's request for unblocking? Surely it was incumbent upon you to know these things before becoming involved? Have you checked the talk page at ROI to confirm what I've said even? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Thunderer" title="User:The Thunderer">The Thunderer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Thunderer" title="User talk:The Thunderer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:57:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:57:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:57:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T16:05:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:57:00.000Z"></span>Discuss this with the orignal blocking admin, not me. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T16:05:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T16:05:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T16:05:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T15:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:09:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T16:05:00.000Z"></span>I'm discussing it with you because you turned down the unblocking request but you've now appeared to say you've done so without checking the facts or being aux fait with the discussion on ROI? It's looking like you've given the man a fair trial and a fair hanging. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Thunderer" title="User:The Thunderer">The Thunderer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Thunderer" title="User talk:The Thunderer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:09:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T16:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:09, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:09:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T16:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:09:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T16:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T16:12:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:09:00.000Z"></span>"Hanging"? It's a 48-hour 3RR block. Get a sense of proportion; all it takes to get a 3RR block revoked is to say "I won't edit the article again and will instead work it out on the talk page as is proper." --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T16:12:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T16:12:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T16:12:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:21:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T16:12:00.000Z"></span>There's nothing wrong with my sense of proportion but that isn't the issue. The issue is the man was blocked for defending naming convention which was agreed by concensus and which was and is under discussion. Said discussion has not changed the concensus to allow editors to use "Ireland" instead of "Republic of Ireland". Mooretwin reverted such edits with the request to both other editors, as seen on the history page, to discuss the issue on the article talk page. He was tag teamed into defending Wikpedia policy and concensus and he got blocked for it. That is obviously very unjust. I'm not telling you how to apply your admin skills but I'm telling you what it looks like to me. I have no links to Mooretwin, I don't know who he/she is or what his/her politics are. I'm just sticking up for someone who seems to have been mistakenly admonished. I hope you would do the same? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Thunderer" title="User:The Thunderer">The Thunderer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Thunderer" title="User talk:The Thunderer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:21:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T16:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:21:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T16:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:21:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T16:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:48:00.000Z-Mooretwin"></span>(outdent) In an effort to get this resolved I draw your own attention to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#Exceptions/">3RR - Exceptions</a> where is clearly states that <b>Reverting in order to conform with community consensus on geographic names which fall within the scope of the Gdansk Vote. </b> This situation clearly does fit in with this as the naming concensus on Republic of Ireland is agreed and long standing. I ask you again, on the basis of this, to unblock <a href="/wiki/User:Mooretwin" title="User:Mooretwin">User:Mooretwin</a> as it was community concensus and not page consensus he was defending. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Thunderer" title="User:The Thunderer">The Thunderer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Thunderer" title="User talk:The Thunderer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:48:00.000Z-Mooretwin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:48:00.000Z-Mooretwin"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:48:00.000Z-Mooretwin"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T18:15:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:48:00.000Z"></span>He can feel free to post another unblock request, and see if another admin agrees with your evaluation of the situation. I don't. (And Gdansk is a specific exception; it's not to be generalized to all geographic nomenclature disputes.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T18:15:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T18:15:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T18:15:00.000Z-The_Thunderer-2008-09-02T16:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Civility_paroles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Civility_paroles-2008-09-02T18:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Civility_paroles-2008-09-02T18:55:00.000Z"></span>Civility paroles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Civility_paroles-2008-09-02T18:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Random832-2008-09-02T18:55:00.000Z-Civility_paroles"></span>I'll not be supporting civility "paroles" any more, as I believe they do more harm than good.</i> Any thoughts on a possible motion to vacate all existing "civility parole" remedies? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Random832" title="User talk:Random832">Random832</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Random832" title="Special:Contributions/Random832">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Random832-2008-09-02T18:55:00.000Z-Civility_paroles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Random832-2008-09-02T18:55:00.000Z-Civility_paroles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Random832-2008-09-02T18:55:00.000Z-Civility_paroles"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T18:59:00.000Z-Random832-2008-09-02T18:55:00.000Z"></span>I'm pretty sure it would get rejected; a majority of arbitrators will say that it's the only tool we have short of outright banning to impress upon chronically uncivil "valued contributors" that their behavior is unsustainable. I'm really not sure what the best solution here is, but there aren't any real good ones I can think of. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T18:59:00.000Z-Random832-2008-09-02T18:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:59, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T18:59:00.000Z-Random832-2008-09-02T18:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-02T18:59:00.000Z-Random832-2008-09-02T18:55:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="200.215.40.3's_socks" data-mw-thread-id="h-200.215.40.3's_socks-2008-09-02T19:41:00.000Z"><span id="200.215.40.3.27s_socks"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-200.215.40.3's_socks-2008-09-02T19:41:00.000Z"></span>200.215.40.3's socks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-200.215.40.3's_socks-2008-09-02T19:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-09-02T19:41:00.000Z-200.215.40.3's_socks"></span>Hello Jpgordon. I'd assume that you are quite busy now (we really don't have enough checkusers to cover wikimedia—2 million articles in enwiki alone). I have filed a check user request <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/200.215.40.3" title="Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/200.215.40.3">on this page</a> a few days ago. As the user must have been Wikistalking me for the whole time, it looks as though he/she got infuriated by the recent reverts I made and the reports I have filed. This came in the form of <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Troy_is_a_parasite" title="Special:Contributions/Troy is a parasite">User:Troy is a parasite</a>, who concerned me a little when he/she made a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATroy_07&diff=235738692&oldid=235733210">personal attack on my</a> talk page the other day. I have updated the checkuser request this morning, but I'm unsure about how I should avoid sock accounts like that. I would like another checkuser to look at it, though, because it seems to be more fair if this whole issue confirmed by more than one guy (not to say that I don't trust you; good work). However, if you can help or suggest anything at all, that would great. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-09-02T19:41:00.000Z-200.215.40.3's_socks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-09-02T19:41:00.000Z-200.215.40.3's_socks"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-09-02T19:41:00.000Z-200.215.40.3's_socks"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Orangemarlin" data-mw-thread-id="h-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T15:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T15:10:00.000Z"></span>Orangemarlin<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T15:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:10:00.000Z-Orangemarlin"></span>Are you still mentoring <a href="/wiki/User:Orangemarlin" title="User:Orangemarlin">Orangemarlin</a>? I did ask him if he had a mentor, his response was to blank my question with the edit summary "go away". <a href="/wiki/User:DuncanHill" title="User:DuncanHill">DuncanHill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DuncanHill" title="User talk:DuncanHill">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:10:00.000Z-Orangemarlin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 4 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:10:00.000Z-Orangemarlin"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:10:00.000Z-Orangemarlin"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-04T15:16:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:10:00.000Z"></span>Yup. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-04T15:16:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-04T15:16:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-04T15:16:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:10:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:39:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:10:00.000Z"></span>Could you suggest to him that accusing editors of wishing to illegally extract controlled drugs is not conducive to a constructive atmosphere? Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:DuncanHill" title="User:DuncanHill">DuncanHill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DuncanHill" title="User talk:DuncanHill">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:39:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 4 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:39:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:39:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T15:42:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:39:00.000Z"></span>Just so you know, I think it's inappropriate for Wikipedia editors to publicly request how to extract controlled substances in contravention with state and federal law. And my response was "go away" because not only did I make that comment but a number of other editors. Since we are not police, then we have to make the best judgement possible. And your request could be answered by taking an Organic chemistry class, if you're insisting on telling the world how to extract purified hydrocodone. But again, several other editors agreed. So, "go away" was the best response. <a href="/wiki/User:Orangemarlin" title="User:Orangemarlin"><span style="color:orange;"><b>Orange</b></span><span style="color:teal;"><b>Marlin</b></span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin" title="User talk:Orangemarlin">Talk•</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin" title="Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin">Contributions</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T15:42:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T15:42:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T15:42:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:45:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T15:42:00.000Z"></span>I did not ask how to extract hydrocodone from anything, i am sorry that you feel the need to lie about this. I asked what its solvents were. I appreciate that taking an organic chemistry class would probably answer my questions, but 1) I cannot afford to do so at the moment, and 2) I was under the impression that this was an encyclopædia. "Take a class" could (by your reasoning) be used to replace the entire text of every article on Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:DuncanHill" title="User:DuncanHill">DuncanHill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DuncanHill" title="User talk:DuncanHill">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:45:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:45:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T15:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:45:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T15:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jehochman-2008-09-04T15:47:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T15:42:00.000Z"></span>(ec) I looked at this situation as it happened, and I agreed with Orangemarlin's and MastCell's perception of what was going on. DuncanHill, now would be an excellent time to stop troublemaking. <a href="/wiki/User:Jehochman" title="User:Jehochman">Jehochman</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jehochman" title="User talk:Jehochman">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jehochman-2008-09-04T15:47:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 4 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jehochman-2008-09-04T15:47:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T15:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jehochman-2008-09-04T15:47:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T15:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:50:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-09-04T15:47:00.000Z"></span>Really? So Orangemarlin can lie and defame editors, and deliberately disrupt the ref desk. OK, just so it's clear. <a href="/wiki/User:DuncanHill" title="User:DuncanHill">DuncanHill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DuncanHill" title="User talk:DuncanHill">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:50:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-09-04T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 4 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:50:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-09-04T15:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:50:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-09-04T15:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-04T16:13:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:50:00.000Z"></span>This does not need to be on my talk page, thank you all. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-04T16:13:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 4 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-04T16:13:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-04T16:13:00.000Z-DuncanHill-2008-09-04T15:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_talk:Tennesseetrumpet" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_talk:Tennesseetrumpet-2008-09-08T04:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_talk:Tennesseetrumpet-2008-09-08T04:13:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tennesseetrumpet" title="User talk:Tennesseetrumpet">User talk:Tennesseetrumpet</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_talk:Tennesseetrumpet-2008-09-08T04:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hersfold-2008-09-08T04:13:00.000Z-User_talk:Tennesseetrumpet"></span>Mind taking a look at this unblock request? The reason is completely useless, but the block reason I'm also confused about. I don't see anything to indicate that he's taken part in any trolling <i>here</i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Hersfold" title="User:Hersfold"><i><b><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold</em></b></i></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User:Hersfold/t" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hersfold/t">t</a>/<a href="/wiki/User:Hersfold/a" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hersfold/a">a</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hersfold" title="Special:Contributions/Hersfold">c</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Hersfold-2008-09-08T04:13:00.000Z-User_talk:Tennesseetrumpet" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:13, 8 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hersfold-2008-09-08T04:13:00.000Z-User_talk:Tennesseetrumpet"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hersfold-2008-09-08T04:13:00.000Z-User_talk:Tennesseetrumpet"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-08T04:21:00.000Z-Hersfold-2008-09-08T04:13:00.000Z"></span>Well, his deleted articles make it clear that he was going to be doing exactly what he's done everywhere else. Me, I prefer to cut such nonsense off at the bud; nothing about his history in the net at large indicates he could ever be a useful contributor to Wikipedia. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-08T04:21:00.000Z-Hersfold-2008-09-08T04:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:21, 8 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-08T04:21:00.000Z-Hersfold-2008-09-08T04:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-08T04:21:00.000Z-Hersfold-2008-09-08T04:13:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_216.235.145.178" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_216.235.145.178-2008-09-08T05:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_216.235.145.178-2008-09-08T05:53:00.000Z"></span>User <a href="/wiki/User_talk:216.235.145.178" title="User talk:216.235.145.178">216.235.145.178</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_216.235.145.178-2008-09-08T05:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultatri-2008-09-08T05:53:00.000Z-User_216.235.145.178"></span>I was hoping that, as the most (relatively) recent administrator to deal with this user, you could look into user <a href="/wiki/User_talk:216.235.145.178" title="User talk:216.235.145.178">216.235.145.178</a> and see whether or not another block should be applied. Previously, a four month block was imposed in November 2007 due to several instances of spamming pages with external links to a 'Ballard Designs' business. But as soon as that block was removed in March 2008, the user began to spam a number of pages, and even contributed links to the page <a href="/wiki/Ballard_Designs" title="Ballard Designs">Ballard Designs</a> that was created by another <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Atlrshr">user</a>. </p><p>Was it the user's attempt to make the subject more legitimate? Likely. But it stinks of advertising. </p><p>I only came across the user's violations because of a previous incident of linkspam from <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Raffia_palm&diff=prev&oldid=153217308">August 2007</a> that I removed just <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Raffia_palm&diff=237008328&oldid=235718187">today</a>. Granted, there aren't as many incidences of linkspam as before the Nov 07 block. However, looking at his/her most recent edits - <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.235.145.178">March 2008 to August 2008</a> - I am inclined to believe that he/she is going slow and steady in his/her linking, as to avoid arousing suspicion. With this user's edits and Atlrshr's creation of the Ballard Designs page, I suspect this is his/her/their attempt to not only legitimize, but defend the idea that his/her links/edits aren't incidences of (business) spam, as was put forth in the previous argument over the Nov 07 block. </p><p>That said, would it also be possible to see if there is a relation between user <a href="/wiki/User_talk:216.235.145.178" title="User talk:216.235.145.178">216.235.145.178</a> and user <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Atlrshr">Atlrshr</a>? I find it highly suspicious that Atlrshr creates a page and edits on a topic that was previously a point of contention. </p><p>I edit a lot but by no means am I experienced in this sort of thing. Any help that you can manage will be appreciated. Please and thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Ultatri" title="User:Ultatri">Ultatri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ultatri" title="User talk:Ultatri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ultatri-2008-09-08T05:53:00.000Z-User_216.235.145.178" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultatri-2008-09-08T05:53:00.000Z-User_216.235.145.178"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultatri-2008-09-08T05:53:00.000Z-User_216.235.145.178"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-08T13:53:00.000Z-Ultatri-2008-09-08T05:53:00.000Z"></span>Good find. Bring things like this up on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN/I" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN/I">WP:AN/I</a> -- the community has short patience for advertisers such as this. It's pure business spam. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-08T13:53:00.000Z-Ultatri-2008-09-08T05:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-08T13:53:00.000Z-Ultatri-2008-09-08T05:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-08T13:53:00.000Z-Ultatri-2008-09-08T05:53:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultatri-2008-09-09T06:10:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-08T13:53:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the help! Even though Wikipedia has such a large community of likeminded people who want to forever improve it, I'm still impressed by how fast some things get done! That said, let's hope that this is the last that anyone sees of this user. One less user to deal with means more time to spend tackling other folks who edit contrary to Wikipedia's purpose. <a href="/wiki/User:Ultatri" title="User:Ultatri">Ultatri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ultatri" title="User talk:Ultatri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ultatri-2008-09-09T06:10:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-08T13:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:10, 9 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultatri-2008-09-09T06:10:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-08T13:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultatri-2008-09-09T06:10:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-08T13:53:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Do_you_remember" data-mw-thread-id="h-Do_you_remember-2008-09-08T16:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Do_you_remember-2008-09-08T16:06:00.000Z"></span>Do you remember<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Do_you_remember-2008-09-08T16:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Antandrus-2008-09-08T16:06:00.000Z-Do_you_remember"></span>... <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Undelete/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/George_Reeves_Person">this guy</a>? I've been ignoring him for a while, but he's resumed his harassment and hate-mail campaigns. I'll open a formal CU if needed, but seeing as Jimbo deleted the last one along with the LTA pages, and you were the one to handle the BW case, I'd rather just ask you first. I just blocked all the sockpuppets of his I know about, and shut down the library range, but he also edits from somewhere late at night, and there's probably a whole battalion of unblocked socks out there. E-mail me if you like. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Antandrus" title="User:Antandrus">Antandrus </a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antandrus" title="User talk:Antandrus">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Antandrus-2008-09-08T16:06:00.000Z-Do_you_remember" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Antandrus-2008-09-08T16:06:00.000Z-Do_you_remember"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Antandrus-2008-09-08T16:06:00.000Z-Do_you_remember"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-08T16:18:00.000Z-Antandrus-2008-09-08T16:06:00.000Z"></span>Go ahead and do the formal request. Deletions of this sort are always done with the assumption that the person involved is not involving themselves with Wikipedia anymore, and it's considered a courtesy; if the person does not honor that courtesy by staying away, well, so much for the assumption. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-08T16:18:00.000Z-Antandrus-2008-09-08T16:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 8 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-08T16:18:00.000Z-Antandrus-2008-09-08T16:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-08T16:18:00.000Z-Antandrus-2008-09-08T16:06:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CorticoSpinal_(talk_·_contribs)_sockpuppets" data-mw-thread-id="h-CorticoSpinal_(talk_·_contribs)_sockpuppets-2008-09-04T23:51:00.000Z"><span id="CorticoSpinal_.28talk_.C2.B7_contribs.29_sockpuppets"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CorticoSpinal_(talk_·_contribs)_sockpuppets-2008-09-04T23:51:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/User:CorticoSpinal" class="mw-redirect" title="User:CorticoSpinal">CorticoSpinal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CorticoSpinal" title="User talk:CorticoSpinal">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CorticoSpinal" title="Special:Contributions/CorticoSpinal">contribs</a>) sockpuppets<span data-mw-comment-end="h-CorticoSpinal_(talk_·_contribs)_sockpuppets-2008-09-04T23:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:208.101.118.33&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:208.101.118.33 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T23:51:00.000Z-CorticoSpinal_(talk_·_contribs)_sockpuppets"></span>208.101.118.33</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:208.101.118.33" title="User talk:208.101.118.33">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/208.101.118.33" title="Special:Contributions/208.101.118.33">contribs</a>) and <a href="/wiki/User:Soyuz113" title="User:Soyuz113">Soyuz113</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Soyuz113&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Soyuz113 (page does not exist)">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Soyuz113" title="Special:Contributions/Soyuz113">contribs</a>). The IP address is from Ontario Canada, and is back putting in POV edits to Chiropractic. Soyuz is maybe a bit less certain. The last time I placed an RfCU, I got slapped about the head by FT2, so I thought that I'll do this publicly and appropriately. <a href="/wiki/User:Orangemarlin" title="User:Orangemarlin"><span style="color:orange;"><b>Orange</b></span><span style="color:teal;"><b>Marlin</b></span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin" title="User talk:Orangemarlin">Talk•</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin" title="Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin">Contributions</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T23:51:00.000Z-CorticoSpinal_(talk_·_contribs)_sockpuppets" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:51, 4 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T23:51:00.000Z-CorticoSpinal_(talk_·_contribs)_sockpuppets"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T23:51:00.000Z-CorticoSpinal_(talk_·_contribs)_sockpuppets"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fyslee-2008-09-11T06:09:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T23:51:00.000Z"></span>FYI, <a href="/wiki/User:Soyuz113" title="User:Soyuz113">Soyuz113</a> has <i>"been <b>blocked indefinitely</b> from editing in accordance with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">Wikipedia's blocking policy</a> for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOCK">sockpuppetry</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EW">edit warring</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DE">disruption</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLOCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLOCK">block evasion</a>."</i> See also: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/CorticoSpinal">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/CorticoSpinal</a> -- <i><a href="/wiki/User:Fyslee" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fyslee"><b style="color:#004000;">Fyslee</b></a></i> / <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fyslee" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Fyslee"><b style="color:#990099; font-size:x-small;">talk</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Fyslee-2008-09-11T06:09:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T23:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:09, 11 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fyslee-2008-09-11T06:09:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T23:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fyslee-2008-09-11T06:09:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-09-04T23:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_decision_-Alastair_Haines" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_decision_-Alastair_Haines-2008-09-10T17:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_decision_-Alastair_Haines-2008-09-10T17:58:00.000Z"></span>Proposed decision -Alastair Haines<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_decision_-Alastair_Haines-2008-09-10T17:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-09-10T17:58:00.000Z-Proposed_decision_-Alastair_Haines"></span>All items pass now - I think it's ready for a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Alastair_Haines/Proposed_decision#Vote" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alastair Haines/Proposed decision">motion to close</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-09-10T17:58:00.000Z-Proposed_decision_-Alastair_Haines" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-09-10T17:58:00.000Z-Proposed_decision_-Alastair_Haines"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-09-10T17:58:00.000Z-Proposed_decision_-Alastair_Haines"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User:Spoilydoily" data-mw-thread-id="h-User:Spoilydoily-2008-09-10T22:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User:Spoilydoily-2008-09-10T22:34:00.000Z"></span>User:Spoilydoily<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User:Spoilydoily-2008-09-10T22:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ironholds-2008-09-10T22:34:00.000Z-User:Spoilydoily"></span>Just wondering; how did you link him and Harryhighams? <a href="/wiki/User:Ironholds" title="User:Ironholds"><b style="color:#D3D3D3">Ir</b><b style="color:#A9A9A9">on</b><b style="color:#808080">ho</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ironholds" title="User talk:Ironholds"><b style="color:#696969">ld</b><b style="color:#000">s</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ironholds-2008-09-10T22:34:00.000Z-User:Spoilydoily" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 10 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ironholds-2008-09-10T22:34:00.000Z-User:Spoilydoily"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ironholds-2008-09-10T22:34:00.000Z-User:Spoilydoily"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-10T23:49:00.000Z-Ironholds-2008-09-10T22:34:00.000Z"></span>I checkusered <a href="/wiki/User:Harryhighamsthesecond" title="User:Harryhighamsthesecond">User:Harryhighamsthesecond</a>, who was an obvious sockpuppet of <a href="/wiki/User:Harryhighams" title="User:Harryhighams">User:Harryhighams</a>, and <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Spoilydoily&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Spoilydoily (page does not exist)">User:Spoilydoily</a> looked like one of 'em; I wonder if I got it right? --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-10T23:49:00.000Z-Ironholds-2008-09-10T22:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 10 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-10T23:49:00.000Z-Ironholds-2008-09-10T22:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-10T23:49:00.000Z-Ironholds-2008-09-10T22:34:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ironholds-2008-09-10T23:55:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-10T23:49:00.000Z"></span>The contributions seem to be entirely different. I suspect he might be related to <a href="/wiki/User:Justpassinby" title="User:Justpassinby">User:Justpassinby</a> in his desire to get articles related to <a href="/wiki/Pure_Reason_Revolution" title="Pure Reason Revolution">Pure Reason Revolution</a> disrupted and removed; you might want to check those two out if you have checkuser permissions. <a href="/wiki/User:Ironholds" title="User:Ironholds"><b style="color:#D3D3D3">Ir</b><b style="color:#A9A9A9">on</b><b style="color:#808080">ho</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ironholds" title="User talk:Ironholds"><b style="color:#696969">ld</b><b style="color:#000">s</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ironholds-2008-09-10T23:55:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-10T23:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ironholds-2008-09-10T23:55:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-10T23:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ironholds-2008-09-10T23:55:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-10T23:49:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-11T00:03:00.000Z-Ironholds-2008-09-10T23:55:00.000Z"></span>Nothing helpful about Justpassinby in the checkuser I ran for Spoilydoily. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-11T00:03:00.000Z-Ironholds-2008-09-10T23:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 11 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-11T00:03:00.000Z-Ironholds-2008-09-10T23:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-11T00:03:00.000Z-Ironholds-2008-09-10T23:55:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ironholds-2008-09-11T00:15:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-11T00:03:00.000Z"></span>Fair enough then :). Just wanted to check; I can't see any links between SD and HH.<a href="/wiki/User:Ironholds" title="User:Ironholds"><b style="color:#D3D3D3">Ir</b><b style="color:#A9A9A9">on</b><b style="color:#808080">ho</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ironholds" title="User talk:Ironholds"><b style="color:#696969">ld</b><b style="color:#000">s</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ironholds-2008-09-11T00:15:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-11T00:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 11 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ironholds-2008-09-11T00:15:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-11T00:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ironholds-2008-09-11T00:15:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-11T00:03:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Note" data-mw-thread-id="h-Note-2008-09-11T04:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Note-2008-09-11T04:28:00.000Z"></span>Note<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Note-2008-09-11T04:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wildhartlivie-2008-09-11T04:28:00.000Z-Note"></span>Just wanted to be sure you're aware of <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?p=1236570#post1236570">this</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Wildhartlivie" title="User:Wildhartlivie">Wildhartlivie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wildhartlivie" title="User talk:Wildhartlivie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Wildhartlivie-2008-09-11T04:28:00.000Z-Note" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wildhartlivie-2008-09-11T04:28:00.000Z-Note"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wildhartlivie-2008-09-11T04:28:00.000Z-Note"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-11T06:00:00.000Z-Wildhartlivie-2008-09-11T04:28:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-11T06:00:00.000Z-Wildhartlivie-2008-09-11T04:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:00, 11 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-11T06:00:00.000Z-Wildhartlivie-2008-09-11T04:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-11T06:00:00.000Z-Wildhartlivie-2008-09-11T04:28:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Utah_Wikipedia_Meetup" data-mw-thread-id="h-Utah_Wikipedia_Meetup-2008-09-15T22:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Utah_Wikipedia_Meetup-2008-09-15T22:29:00.000Z"></span>Utah Wikipedia Meetup<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Utah_Wikipedia_Meetup-2008-09-15T22:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table class="toccolours" style="margin:1em auto;" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style="background-color:#FFEFD5;"> <th style="text-align:center;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Utah" title="Wikipedia:Meetup/Utah"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Admrboltz-2008-09-15T22:29:00.000Z-Utah_Wikipedia_Meetup"></span>Interested in attending a Utah Wikipedia Meetup?</a> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;font-size: 90%;"> <p>If you are interested in a Utah meetup, please visit <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Meetup/Utah" title="Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Utah">Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Utah</a> and voice your interest. <br/>Not in the <a href="/wiki/Utah" title="Utah">Utah</a> area? Check out <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup" title="Wikipedia:Meetup">other meetups</a> around the world! </p> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Admrboltz" title="User:Admrboltz">Admrb♉ltz</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Admrboltz" title="User talk:Admrboltz">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Admrboltz-2008-09-15T22:29:00.000Z-Utah_Wikipedia_Meetup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:29, 15 September 2008 (UTC)</a> via AWB<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Admrboltz-2008-09-15T22:29:00.000Z-Utah_Wikipedia_Meetup"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Admrboltz-2008-09-15T22:29:00.000Z-Utah_Wikipedia_Meetup"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_talk:Godheval" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_talk:Godheval-2008-09-18T16:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_talk:Godheval-2008-09-18T16:16:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Godheval" title="User talk:Godheval">User talk:Godheval</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_talk:Godheval-2008-09-18T16:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-J_Milburn-2008-09-18T16:16:00.000Z-User_talk:Godheval"></span>The user removed your decline reason in an attempt to add to his unblock request. It may require a further review. Note that I initially supported the indefinite block as the user made it quite clear he had no interest in following Wikipedia practices, both <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJ_Milburn&diff=237395923&oldid=237326277">on my talk page</a> and elsewhere. <a href="/wiki/User:J_Milburn" title="User:J Milburn">J Milburn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J_Milburn" title="User talk:J Milburn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-J_Milburn-2008-09-18T16:16:00.000Z-User_talk:Godheval" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-J_Milburn-2008-09-18T16:16:00.000Z-User_talk:Godheval"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-J_Milburn-2008-09-18T16:16:00.000Z-User_talk:Godheval"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Winning_finding" data-mw-thread-id="h-Winning_finding-2008-09-18T17:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Winning_finding-2008-09-18T17:22:00.000Z"></span>Winning finding<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Winning_finding-2008-09-18T17:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rootology-2008-09-18T17:22:00.000Z-Winning_finding"></span>Hi, just wanted to drop you a note that I answered your question about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WINNER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WINNER">WP:WINNER</a> over <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Sarah_Palin_protection_wheel_war/Workshop#Wikipedia_is_not_about_winning">here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Rootology" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rootology"><span style="color:#0D670D; font-family:Georgia, Helvetica;">rootology</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rootology" title="Special:Contributions/Rootology"><span style="color:#156917;">C</span></a>)(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rootology" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Rootology"><span style="color:#156917;">T</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Rootology-2008-09-18T17:22:00.000Z-Winning_finding" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rootology-2008-09-18T17:22:00.000Z-Winning_finding"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rootology-2008-09-18T17:22:00.000Z-Winning_finding"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-18T18:24:00.000Z-Rootology-2008-09-18T17:22:00.000Z"></span>Hm. Not sure I agree with your analysis, but I'll give it some thought. I do think the "winning" aspect is a subset of the "battlefield" aspect (who goes to a battle other than to try to win?), in the same way "no personal attacks" is a subset of the general notion of civility. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-18T18:24:00.000Z-Rootology-2008-09-18T17:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-18T18:24:00.000Z-Rootology-2008-09-18T17:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-18T18:24:00.000Z-Rootology-2008-09-18T17:22:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Civility" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Civility-2008-09-19T06:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Civility-2008-09-19T06:13:00.000Z"></span>Discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Civility" title="Wikipedia talk:Civility">Wikipedia talk:Civility</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Civility-2008-09-19T06:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Carcharoth-2008-09-19T06:13:00.000Z-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Civility"></span>Hi there. I recently quoted you at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Civility#Discussion_of_civility_at_recent_Request_for_Arbitration" title="Wikipedia talk:Civility">Wikipedia talk:Civility#Discussion of civility at recent Request for Arbitration</a>. Would you have time to check that I haven't misrepresented what you said? There are several other threads on that talk page that you might be interested in as well, and a proposal to rewrite the policy. For the whole recent story, read downwards from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Civility#A_Big_Question:_Does_this_page_make_sense?" title="Wikipedia talk:Civility">Wikipedia talk:Civility#A Big Question: Does this page make sense?</a>. This will need to be advertised more widely to get more balanced input, but for now I'm notifying those I quoted from the RfArb, and a few other editors who have either written essays on this, or have been active on the talk page recently. Apologies if you had this watchlisted anyway. <a href="/wiki/User:Carcharoth" title="User:Carcharoth">Carcharoth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Carcharoth" title="User talk:Carcharoth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Carcharoth-2008-09-19T06:13:00.000Z-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Civility" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Carcharoth-2008-09-19T06:13:00.000Z-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Civility"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Carcharoth-2008-09-19T06:13:00.000Z-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Civility"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-19T14:40:00.000Z-Carcharoth-2008-09-19T06:13:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the pointer. You represented me correctly. (The politeness vs. civility issue is rather interesting; I'd not thought about that in those terms.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-19T14:40:00.000Z-Carcharoth-2008-09-19T06:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-19T14:40:00.000Z-Carcharoth-2008-09-19T06:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-19T14:40:00.000Z-Carcharoth-2008-09-19T06:13:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nine?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nine?-2008-09-20T08:35:00.000Z"><span id="Nine.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nine?-2008-09-20T08:35:00.000Z"></span>Nine?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nine?-2008-09-20T08:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed_decision" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed decision"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jc37-2008-09-20T08:35:00.000Z-Nine?"></span>Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed decision</a></li></ul> <p>Ok, I'm stymied. Can you tell me who's #9? (Presuming the 8 who've voted are the rest of the 9.) - <a href="/wiki/User:Jc37" title="User:Jc37">jc37</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jc37-2008-09-20T08:35:00.000Z-Nine?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:35, 20 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jc37-2008-09-20T08:35:00.000Z-Nine?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jc37-2008-09-20T08:35:00.000Z-Nine?"></span> </p> <ul><li><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-20T14:23:00.000Z-Jc37-2008-09-20T08:35:00.000Z"></span>Let's see. First thing to do is check the list at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed_decision#Arbitrators_active_on_this_case" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed decision">Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Proposed decision#Arbitrators active on this case</a>. Ah, looks like FT2 hasn't voted; he's been preoccupied with the Poetlister affair for a while. Only place it could make a difference is on finding of fact 2(E). --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-20T14:23:00.000Z-Jc37-2008-09-20T08:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:23, 20 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-20T14:23:00.000Z-Jc37-2008-09-20T08:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-20T14:23:00.000Z-Jc37-2008-09-20T08:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jc37-2008-09-21T23:25:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-20T14:23:00.000Z"></span>Ohhh, the talk page. I <i>knew</i> I had seen the list "somewhere".</dd> <dd>And see <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kirill_Lokshin" title="User talk:Kirill Lokshin">Kirill's talk page</a> for what I was thinking when asking. (Incidentally, I <i>did</i> feel rather foolish not noticing that he had put "recuse" next to his name...) - <a href="/wiki/User:Jc37" title="User:Jc37">jc37</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jc37-2008-09-21T23:25:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-20T14:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:25, 21 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jc37-2008-09-21T23:25:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-20T14:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jc37-2008-09-21T23:25:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-20T14:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jc37-2008-09-22T12:38:00.000Z-Jc37-2008-09-21T23:25:00.000Z"></span>Note: FT2 has now commented (and has made some proposals). - <a href="/wiki/User:Jc37" title="User:Jc37">jc37</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jc37-2008-09-22T12:38:00.000Z-Jc37-2008-09-21T23:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jc37-2008-09-22T12:38:00.000Z-Jc37-2008-09-21T23:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jc37-2008-09-22T12:38:00.000Z-Jc37-2008-09-21T23:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hold_on_close_in_C68-SV-FM" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hold_on_close_in_C68-SV-FM-2008-09-22T00:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hold_on_close_in_C68-SV-FM-2008-09-22T00:11:00.000Z"></span>Hold on close in C68-SV-FM<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hold_on_close_in_C68-SV-FM-2008-09-22T00:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jd2718-2008-09-22T00:11:00.000Z-Hold_on_close_in_C68-SV-FM"></span>Hi, was your request to hold off on closing to make time for the two principles you just added? Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Jd2718" title="User:Jd2718">Jd2718</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jd2718" title="User talk:Jd2718">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jd2718-2008-09-22T00:11:00.000Z-Hold_on_close_in_C68-SV-FM" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jd2718-2008-09-22T00:11:00.000Z-Hold_on_close_in_C68-SV-FM"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jd2718-2008-09-22T00:11:00.000Z-Hold_on_close_in_C68-SV-FM"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-22T00:28:00.000Z-Jd2718-2008-09-22T00:11:00.000Z"></span>Essentially, yeah. Someone commented on the evidence misconception and on the evidence page itself, and I thought perhaps a "clarification" hearing could be avoided by adding those principles. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-22T00:28:00.000Z-Jd2718-2008-09-22T00:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-22T00:28:00.000Z-Jd2718-2008-09-22T00:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-22T00:28:00.000Z-Jd2718-2008-09-22T00:11:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Insinuations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Insinuations-2008-09-22T13:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Insinuations-2008-09-22T13:32:00.000Z"></span>Insinuations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Insinuations-2008-09-22T13:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Random832-2008-09-22T13:32:00.000Z-Insinuations"></span>"<i>behaving politely toward fellow editors on Wikipedia, and then trashing them on Wikipedia Review, does not constitute what any reasonable person would consider civil behavior.</i>" - If you've got something to say to someone, then say it. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Random832" title="User talk:Random832">Random832</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Random832" title="Special:Contributions/Random832">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Random832-2008-09-22T13:32:00.000Z-Insinuations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Random832-2008-09-22T13:32:00.000Z-Insinuations"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Random832-2008-09-22T13:32:00.000Z-Insinuations"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jehochman-2008-09-22T14:09:00.000Z-Random832-2008-09-22T13:32:00.000Z"></span>It seems that he has. Random, we seem to get along pretty well. I appreciate Jpgordon's directness, and hope that you will take this in stride. What ever has happened is done, and if we all treat other editors with respect going forward, here and elsewhere on the Internet, that will be good for Wikipedia. Treating with respect does not mean agreeing with or withholding criticism. It simply means avoiding actions or comments that would bring the project into disrepute. <a href="/wiki/User:Jehochman" title="User:Jehochman">Jehochman</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jehochman" title="User talk:Jehochman">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jehochman-2008-09-22T14:09:00.000Z-Random832-2008-09-22T13:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jehochman-2008-09-22T14:09:00.000Z-Random832-2008-09-22T13:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jehochman-2008-09-22T14:09:00.000Z-Random832-2008-09-22T13:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Random832-2008-09-22T14:44:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-09-22T14:09:00.000Z"></span>What I'm asking for is for him to say exactly who he is accusing of this instead of making such vague insinuations. It's _NOT_ "direct" when he implies that 'someone' is doing something bad without actually saying what/who he means. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Random832" title="User talk:Random832">Random832</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Random832" title="Special:Contributions/Random832">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Random832-2008-09-22T14:44:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-09-22T14:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Random832-2008-09-22T14:44:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-09-22T14:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Random832-2008-09-22T14:44:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-09-22T14:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jehochman-2008-09-22T14:57:00.000Z-Random832-2008-09-22T14:44:00.000Z"></span>It seems like a general caution. I have seen multiple incidents where editors have gone to outside sites to trash other editors. This is a pattern. Rather than identify individual incidents (picking on people), why not identify the problematic pattern? Our editors are smart enough to see if their behavior fits the pattern, and then to stop doing that. <a href="/wiki/User:Jehochman" title="User:Jehochman">Jehochman</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jehochman" title="User talk:Jehochman">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jehochman-2008-09-22T14:57:00.000Z-Random832-2008-09-22T14:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jehochman-2008-09-22T14:57:00.000Z-Random832-2008-09-22T14:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jehochman-2008-09-22T14:57:00.000Z-Random832-2008-09-22T14:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Barnstar" data-mw-thread-id="h-Barnstar-2008-09-25T06:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Barnstar-2008-09-25T06:41:00.000Z"></span>Barnstar<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Barnstar-2008-09-25T06:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" valign="middle"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2008-09-25T06:41:00.000Z-Barnstar"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Working_Wikimedian%27s_Barnstar.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Working_Wikimedian%27s_Barnstar.png/100px-Working_Wikimedian%27s_Barnstar.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="96" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Working_Wikimedian%27s_Barnstar.png 1.5x" data-file-width="119" data-file-height="114"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Working Man's Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">I present this barnstar to you for working to successfully close <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/C68-FM-SV">Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/C68-FM-SV</a>. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-NE2-2008-09-25T06:41:00.000Z-Barnstar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2008-09-25T06:41:00.000Z-Barnstar"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2008-09-25T06:41:00.000Z-Barnstar"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Everyme-2008-09-25T14:55:00.000Z-NE2-2008-09-25T06:41:00.000Z"></span>Echo NE2. Thank you guys for your efforts. <span style="font-family:lucida sans, console;"><i><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Everyme" title="User talk:Everyme">Everyme</a></b></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Everyme-2008-09-25T14:55:00.000Z-NE2-2008-09-25T06:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 25 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Everyme-2008-09-25T14:55:00.000Z-NE2-2008-09-25T06:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Everyme-2008-09-25T14:55:00.000Z-NE2-2008-09-25T06:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-25T15:04:00.000Z-Everyme-2008-09-25T14:55:00.000Z"></span>Thanks all. Is there a Dentists' Barnstar, for things as pleasant as getting teeth pulled? --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-25T15:04:00.000Z-Everyme-2008-09-25T14:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-25T15:04:00.000Z-Everyme-2008-09-25T14:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-25T15:04:00.000Z-Everyme-2008-09-25T14:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jehochman-2008-09-25T15:32:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-25T15:04:00.000Z"></span>How about something like this? (Sample, not for retail sale.) <a href="/wiki/User:Jehochman" title="User:Jehochman">Jehochman</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jehochman" title="User talk:Jehochman">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jehochman-2008-09-25T15:32:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-25T15:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 25 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jehochman-2008-09-25T15:32:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-25T15:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jehochman-2008-09-25T15:32:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-25T15:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7; 100%; padding:5px"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" valign="middle"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jehochman-2008-09-25T15:32:00.000Z-Barnstar"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Buddhist_hell.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Buddhist_hell.jpg/200px-Buddhist_hell.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="148" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Buddhist_hell.jpg/300px-Buddhist_hell.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Buddhist_hell.jpg/400px-Buddhist_hell.jpg 2x" data-file-width="711" data-file-height="525"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>Arbitration Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">I, <a href="/wiki/User:Jehochman" title="User:Jehochman">Jehochman</a>, award <a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">Jpgordon</a> the Arbitration Barnstar for their participation in the celebrated case of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/C68-FM-SV">C68-FM-SV</a>. . <a href="/wiki/User:Jehochman" title="User:Jehochman">Jehochman</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jehochman" title="User talk:Jehochman">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jehochman-2008-09-25T15:32:00.000Z-Barnstar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 25 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jehochman-2008-09-25T15:32:00.000Z-Barnstar"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jehochman-2008-09-25T15:32:00.000Z-Barnstar"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-25T15:46:00.000Z-Barnstar"></span>Oh! I'm the mostly bald one in the middle! --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-25T15:46:00.000Z-Barnstar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 25 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-25T15:46:00.000Z-Barnstar"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-25T15:46:00.000Z-Barnstar"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-26T04:11:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-25T15:46:00.000Z"></span>(More of the time I feel like one emboilees.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-26T04:11:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-25T15:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-26T04:11:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-25T15:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-26T04:11:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-25T15:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User:Allknowingallseeing" data-mw-thread-id="h-User:Allknowingallseeing-2008-09-27T07:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User:Allknowingallseeing-2008-09-27T07:24:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/User:Allknowingallseeing" title="User:Allknowingallseeing">User:Allknowingallseeing</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User:Allknowingallseeing-2008-09-27T07:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wildhartlivie-2008-09-27T07:24:00.000Z-User:Allknowingallseeing"></span>I came here to inquire if you are aware of the relatively newly created identity, <a href="/wiki/User:Allknowingallseeing" title="User:Allknowingallseeing">Allknowingallseeing</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Allknowingallseeing" title="User talk:Allknowingallseeing">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Allknowingallseeing" title="Special:Contributions/Allknowingallseeing">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Allknowingallseeing" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Allknowingallseeing">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/move/Allknowingallseeing" title="Special:Log/move/Allknowingallseeing">page moves</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Allknowingallseeing" title="Special:Block/Allknowingallseeing">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3AAllknowingallseeing">block log</a>)</span>. I only noticed the account tonight when he made similar edits to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Paul_Watkins_(Manson_Family&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Paul Watkins (Manson Family (page does not exist)">Paul Watkins (Manson Family</a> and <a href="/wiki/Bobby_Beausoleil" title="Bobby Beausoleil">Bobby Beausoleil</a> that the various socks of <a href="/wiki/User:ColScott" title="User:ColScott">User:ColScott</a> have made. In looking at his list of articles edited, and the verbage and tone of the arguments he's made on pages such as <a href="/wiki/Alan_Moore" title="Alan Moore">Alan Moore</a>, it seems very sure. Meanwhile, he created <a href="/wiki/Torso_(2009_film)" class="mw-redirect" title="Torso (2009 film)">Torso (2009 film)</a>, coincidentally a film produced by <a href="/wiki/Don_Murphy" title="Don Murphy">Don Murphy</a>, who was confirmed as being <a href="/wiki/User:ColScott" title="User:ColScott">User:ColScott</a>. As an aside, it's curious that when a ColScott sock turns up, <a href="/wiki/User:SqueakBox" class="mw-redirect" title="User:SqueakBox">this user</a> is generally not far behind. I've seen speculation about that relationship. I brought this here because Murphy launched a personal outing campaign on me back in May, and looking back, I noted he did the same to you and I would <i>really</i> prefer not to stir that up again. Is this something you can deal with, or is there something else I should do? <a href="/wiki/User:Wildhartlivie" title="User:Wildhartlivie">Wildhartlivie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wildhartlivie" title="User talk:Wildhartlivie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Wildhartlivie-2008-09-27T07:24:00.000Z-User:Allknowingallseeing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:24, 27 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wildhartlivie-2008-09-27T07:24:00.000Z-User:Allknowingallseeing"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wildhartlivie-2008-09-27T07:24:00.000Z-User:Allknowingallseeing"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-27T14:20:00.000Z-Wildhartlivie-2008-09-27T07:24:00.000Z"></span>Well, best normally would be to post a new request at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/ColScott" title="Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/ColScott">Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/ColScott</a>. Then someone uninvolved will take over and investigate. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-27T14:20:00.000Z-Wildhartlivie-2008-09-27T07:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 27 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-27T14:20:00.000Z-Wildhartlivie-2008-09-27T07:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-27T14:20:00.000Z-Wildhartlivie-2008-09-27T07:24:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question-2008-09-27T17:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question-2008-09-27T17:18:00.000Z"></span>Question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question-2008-09-27T17:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr.Z-man-2008-09-27T17:18:00.000Z-Question"></span>Just to verify, is this <s><a class="external text" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AEn.jpgordon&diff=214599&oldid=64263">this</a></s> <a class="external text" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:En.jpgordon">this account</a> you? <s>(the account and/or the anon)</s>? <span style="font-family:Broadway;"><a href="/wiki/User:Mr.Z-man" title="User:Mr.Z-man">Mr.</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr.Z-man" title="User talk:Mr.Z-man"><i><b>Z-</b>man</i></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Mr.Z-man-2008-09-27T17:18:00.000Z-Question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 27 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr.Z-man-2008-09-27T17:18:00.000Z-Question"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr.Z-man-2008-09-27T17:18:00.000Z-Question"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-28T00:52:00.000Z-Mr.Z-man-2008-09-27T17:18:00.000Z"></span>I'm not an admin over there, so I don't know what was on the now-deleted page. But yeah, that was mine before SUL -- I'd forgotten about it, actually. Should be merged into jpgordon. What was the vandalism? I can almost guess. (Whoops! Edited logged out! From the Sportsmen's Lodge in Studio City, CA, no less!)--<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-28T00:52:00.000Z-Mr.Z-man-2008-09-27T17:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-28T00:52:00.000Z-Mr.Z-man-2008-09-27T17:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-28T00:52:00.000Z-Mr.Z-man-2008-09-27T17:18:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr.Z-man-2008-09-28T02:10:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-28T00:52:00.000Z"></span>It was some vandalism from an anon trying to impersonate you (66.162.207.31). I redirected the userpage. Just wanted to make sure the account wasn't started by the same anon. <span style="font-family:Broadway;"><a href="/wiki/User:Mr.Z-man" title="User:Mr.Z-man">Mr.</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr.Z-man" title="User talk:Mr.Z-man"><i><b>Z-</b>man</i></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Mr.Z-man-2008-09-28T02:10:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-28T00:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:10, 28 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr.Z-man-2008-09-28T02:10:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-28T00:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr.Z-man-2008-09-28T02:10:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-28T00:52:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Multiple_Accounts" data-mw-thread-id="h-Multiple_Accounts-2008-09-27T22:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Multiple_Accounts-2008-09-27T22:31:00.000Z"></span>Multiple Accounts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Multiple_Accounts-2008-09-27T22:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Declan_Davis-2008-09-27T22:31:00.000Z-Multiple_Accounts"></span>Josh, thank your for your <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Declan_Davis&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Declan Davis (page does not exist)">last message</a>. It is good to see that admins are actively trying to improve Wikipedia. I think you have come to a natural, yet incorrect, conclusion. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dharma6662000&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dharma6662000 (page does not exist)">Dharma6662000</a> and I are not the same user; we do however share the same computer: we share the same flat/apartment. I can only assume that you have discovered that both users have the same IP addresses and have come to the conclusion that we are one and the same person. This is not the case. What is true is that we cannot afford another PC, and that a friend has come to the defense of another friend. I am not sure how this can be resolved. I found your comments to be slightly too forceful. Admins are supposed to be wise and forgiving guardians of Wikipedia. You have not issued any advice, or a warning, you have simply said that you will delete/block one or both users. Isn't Wikipedia policy to issue warnings and wait for repeat offending before such heavy action is taken? We have a genuine misunderstanding here. I can see that two accounts from the same IP address may look a little suspicious, but hey, what can we do? If you're willing to buy us a second PC then I'd be more than happy to accept it. Neither account should be deleted/blocked. I'm sure that you can see the difficulty in this situation. If you have any advise as to how to resolve this problem then please let me know. I could suggest that we agree never to comment on one another's articles and/or comments. This would make any kind of misbehaviour impossible, but it would also remove some of the level of review quality from the process. What do you think? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Declan_Davis&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Declan Davis (page does not exist)"><span style="background-color:green;color:gold;"> <i><b>Declan Davis</b></i> </span></a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Declan_Davis&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Declan Davis (page does not exist)"><span style="background-color:green;color:gold;"> <i><b>(talk)</b></i> </span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Declan_Davis-2008-09-27T22:31:00.000Z-Multiple_Accounts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 27 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Declan_Davis-2008-09-27T22:31:00.000Z-Multiple_Accounts"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Declan_Davis-2008-09-27T22:31:00.000Z-Multiple_Accounts"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Declan_Davis-2008-09-27T23:08:00.000Z-Declan_Davis-2008-09-27T22:31:00.000Z"></span>I see that the Dharma6662000 account was originally opened using my name. I have been less than professional in allowing that account to be adopted by another user. Whatever the explanation the bottom line is that there are two accounts registered with the same name and that represents a conflict of interest; whichever way you look at it. I would ask you to block the Dharma6662000 account. But will Raul still be able to register an account with the same IP address? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Declan_Davis&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Declan Davis (page does not exist)"><span style="background-color:green;color:gold;"> <i><b>Declan Davis</b></i> </span></a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Declan_Davis&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Declan Davis (page does not exist)"><span style="background-color:green;color:gold;"> <i><b>(talk)</b></i> </span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Declan_Davis-2008-09-27T23:08:00.000Z-Declan_Davis-2008-09-27T22:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 27 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Declan_Davis-2008-09-27T23:08:00.000Z-Declan_Davis-2008-09-27T22:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Declan_Davis-2008-09-27T23:08:00.000Z-Declan_Davis-2008-09-27T22:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You've_got_email!" data-mw-thread-id="h-You've_got_email!-2008-09-28T00:55:00.000Z"><span id="You.27ve_got_email.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You've_got_email!-2008-09-28T00:55:00.000Z"></span>You've got email!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You've_got_email!-2008-09-28T00:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nwwaew-2008-09-28T00:55:00.000Z-You've_got_email!"></span>Just an FYI, I sent you an email via the Wikipedia email system. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;"><a href="/wiki/User:Nwwaew" title="User:Nwwaew">Nwwaew</a><small> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nwwaew" title="User talk:Nwwaew">Talk Page</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nwwaew" title="Special:Contributions/Nwwaew">Contribs</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Nwwaew" title="Special:EmailUser/Nwwaew">E-mail me</a>)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Nwwaew-2008-09-28T00:55:00.000Z-You've_got_email!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:55, 28 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nwwaew-2008-09-28T00:55:00.000Z-You've_got_email!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nwwaew-2008-09-28T00:55:00.000Z-You've_got_email!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Block_of_User:Filthy_Ice_Cream_And_Hot_Chocolate_Syrup" data-mw-thread-id="h-Block_of_User:Filthy_Ice_Cream_And_Hot_Chocolate_Syrup-2008-09-30T17:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Block_of_User:Filthy_Ice_Cream_And_Hot_Chocolate_Syrup-2008-09-30T17:52:00.000Z"></span>Block of <a href="/wiki/User:Filthy_Ice_Cream_And_Hot_Chocolate_Syrup" title="User:Filthy Ice Cream And Hot Chocolate Syrup">User:Filthy Ice Cream And Hot Chocolate Syrup</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Block_of_User:Filthy_Ice_Cream_And_Hot_Chocolate_Syrup-2008-09-30T17:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MCB-2008-09-30T17:52:00.000Z-Block_of_User:Filthy_Ice_Cream_And_Hot_Chocolate_Syrup"></span>Hi, I'm wondering about your indefinite block of <a href="/wiki/User:Filthy_Ice_Cream_And_Hot_Chocolate_Syrup" title="User:Filthy Ice Cream And Hot Chocolate Syrup">User:Filthy Ice Cream And Hot Chocolate Syrup</a> as a VoA. I also noticed that no block message was left on the user's Talk page. Could the block have been an error? Of the user's 13 edits, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Good_Girl_Gone_Bad_(song)&diff=prev&oldid=242008537">only one</a> could be construed as vandalism, and that looks more like a new user who misunderstood a template. The rest are pretty routine edits, and I don't see any deleted edits. I can't imagine what would warrant an indefinite block, unless this is related to an ArbCom case, SSP/checkuser investigation, or similar. --<a href="/wiki/User:MCB" title="User:MCB">MCB</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MCB" title="User talk:MCB">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-MCB-2008-09-30T17:52:00.000Z-Block_of_User:Filthy_Ice_Cream_And_Hot_Chocolate_Syrup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MCB-2008-09-30T17:52:00.000Z-Block_of_User:Filthy_Ice_Cream_And_Hot_Chocolate_Syrup"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MCB-2008-09-30T17:52:00.000Z-Block_of_User:Filthy_Ice_Cream_And_Hot_Chocolate_Syrup"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-30T18:29:00.000Z-MCB-2008-09-30T17:52:00.000Z"></span>I suppose it's possible that he's not the same person as: <ol><li><a href="/wiki/User:BLOCK_ME_PLS" title="User:BLOCK ME PLS">User:BLOCK ME PLS</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:FOXY_MAMA_8:_THE_FIERCE,_THE_NAUGHTY,_THE_WIKIPEDIAN" title="User:FOXY MAMA 8: THE FIERCE, THE NAUGHTY, THE WIKIPEDIAN">User:FOXY MAMA 8: THE FIERCE, THE NAUGHTY, THE WIKIPEDIAN</a> or 8 other Foxy Mamas</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:I_Raped_Terri_Schiavo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:I Raped Terri Schiavo (page does not exist)">User:I Raped Terri Schiavo</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Naughtylittlepenguinwhore" title="User:Naughtylittlepenguinwhore">User:Naughtylittlepenguinwhore</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:The_Bitch_You_Love" title="User:The Bitch You Love">User:The Bitch You Love</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Citrus2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Citrus2 (page does not exist)">User:Citrus2</a></li></ol></dd> <dd>among the three dozen or so abusive accounts on that one IP (and matching in all other ways Checkuser can identify.) Anything's possible; at least once, I've found an entirely abusive IP with a single non-abusive editor. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-09-30T18:29:00.000Z-MCB-2008-09-30T17:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 30 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-30T18:29:00.000Z-MCB-2008-09-30T17:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-09-30T18:29:00.000Z-MCB-2008-09-30T17:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MCB-2008-10-01T07:35:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-30T18:29:00.000Z"></span>OK, thanks. I figured it was something like that. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:MCB" title="User:MCB">MCB</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MCB" title="User talk:MCB">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-MCB-2008-10-01T07:35:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-30T18:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MCB-2008-10-01T07:35:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-30T18:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MCB-2008-10-01T07:35:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-09-30T18:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="TV_spot_edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-TV_spot_edits-2008-10-10T10:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-TV_spot_edits-2008-10-10T10:53:00.000Z"></span>TV spot edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-TV_spot_edits-2008-10-10T10:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pr4ever-2008-10-10T10:53:00.000Z-TV_spot_edits"></span>I respectfully submit that my edits to the pages of members of Congress that cut TV spots for a Federally-indicted governor are relevant, neutral and well-sourced. If Republican politicians were cutting testimonials for Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), that would be relevant and notable. When a sitting public official endorses the reelection of another officially accused for corruption, that is highly relevant to the reader. My edits were entirely factual, devoid of point of view and sourced by the reference to You Tube. I would request that you discuss your opposition before taking further action. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Pr4ever" title="User:Pr4ever">Pr4ever</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pr4ever" title="User talk:Pr4ever">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Pr4ever-2008-10-10T10:53:00.000Z-TV_spot_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pr4ever-2008-10-10T10:53:00.000Z-TV_spot_edits"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pr4ever-2008-10-10T10:53:00.000Z-TV_spot_edits"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pr4ever-2008-10-10T11:23:00.000Z-TV_spot_edits"></span>FYI, while revisiting the edits you'd removed, I eliminated from several a few phrases that were unnecessary in communicating the facts and which could be considered less than neutral. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Pr4ever" title="User:Pr4ever">Pr4ever</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pr4ever" title="User talk:Pr4ever">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Pr4ever-2008-10-10T11:23:00.000Z-TV_spot_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pr4ever-2008-10-10T11:23:00.000Z-TV_spot_edits"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pr4ever-2008-10-10T11:23:00.000Z-TV_spot_edits"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-10T15:30:00.000Z-Pr4ever-2008-10-10T11:23:00.000Z"></span>No need to discuss; it's obvious to any informed editor that your edits did not adhere to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a>. No idea what Stevens has to do with anything. I didn't even bother to check to whom you were referring in your copy-and-paste paragraph; no need, since the paragraph so blatantly violates NPOV and OR, besides being sneeringly unencyclopedic. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-10-10T15:30:00.000Z-Pr4ever-2008-10-10T11:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-10T15:30:00.000Z-Pr4ever-2008-10-10T11:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-10T15:30:00.000Z-Pr4ever-2008-10-10T11:23:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marine_69-71-2008-10-11T01:58:00.000Z-TV_spot_edits"></span>Comment</b>, As a fellow administrator and uninvolved party, I looked at the situation discussed.</li></ul> <p>As random case I randomly choose one Congressman mentioned: Jim Oberstar. User:Pr4ever posted the following: "In September 2008 he appeared in a TV ad<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> endorsing a gubernatorial candidate who will go to trial after the November 2008 elections for a 32-count federal Grand Jury indictment for corruption, in spite of his strong anti-corruption postures." </p><p>Which should read: </p><p>"In September 2008 Oberstar appeared in a TV ad<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> endorsing Aníbal Acevedo Vilá a Puerto Rican gubernatorial candidate who will go to trial after the November 2008 elections for a 32-count federal Grand Jury indictment for corruption." </p><p>In the reference mentioned "YouTube", clearly shows us that the Congress people mentioned, including Oberstar endorsed Mr. Acevedo Vilá for governor in an advertisement, see: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BtZkdpAkgc">[9]</a>. Therefore, to mention said fact in the articles of the subjects involved is not violating NPOV. The facts speak for themselves. </p><p>The following source proofs that Mr. Acevedo Vilá faces 19 Federal charges <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.primerahora.com/noticia/otras/noticias/libre_sin_fianza_anibal_acevedo_vila/173083">[10]</a>. </p><p>The ads in "YouTube" and the newspaper article in the daily "Primera Hora" are reliable verifiable sources within the policies established by Wikipedia. </p><p>There is one thing that is very important and that is we need proof of the exact month that these ads were released. Thereby, we can determine if the Congress people mentioned had any knowledge what-so-ever of Mr. Acevedo Vilá indictments before or after their endorsements. Those are my thoughts on the issues. <a href="/wiki/User:Marine_69-71" title="User:Marine 69-71">Tony the Marine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marine_69-71" title="User talk:Marine 69-71">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Marine_69-71-2008-10-11T01:58:00.000Z-TV_spot_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:58, 11 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marine_69-71-2008-10-11T01:58:00.000Z-TV_spot_edits"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marine_69-71-2008-10-11T01:58:00.000Z-TV_spot_edits"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-11T02:31:00.000Z-Marine_69-71-2008-10-11T01:58:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for your thoughts. If presented appropriately, there might be no objection to the inclusion of the actual information. Anything presented as inappropriately as was done by Pr4ever gets unceremoniously removed from Wikipedia, always. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-10-11T02:31:00.000Z-Marine_69-71-2008-10-11T01:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-11T02:31:00.000Z-Marine_69-71-2008-10-11T01:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-11T02:31:00.000Z-Marine_69-71-2008-10-11T01:58:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pr4ever-2008-10-12T04:02:00.000Z-TV_spot_edits"></span>Following Tony's recommendation, I have found that the TV ads which started airing in late September were posted on the candidate's web page on October 5. See: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://anibalgobernador.com/blog/?n=129">http://anibalgobernador.com/blog/?n=129</a>. The correct total number of counts is 24, adding the first 19 and the superceding indictment's additional 5.</dd></dl> <p>Following Tony's suggested text, would it now be appropriate to insert the following text: </p><p>"During the 2008 electoral campaign<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup>, Oberstar appeared in a TV ad<sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-4"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>4<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> endorsing the reelection of <a href="/wiki/Puerto_Rico" title="Puerto Rico">Puerto Rico</a> Governor <a href="/wiki/An%C3%ADbal_Acevedo_Vil%C3%A1" title="Aníbal Acevedo Vilá">Aníbal Acevedo Vilá</a>, who will go to trial after the November 2008 elections for a 24-count federal Grand Jury indictment for corruption<sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-5"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>5<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup>." </p><p>Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Pr4ever" title="User:Pr4ever">Pr4ever</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pr4ever" title="User talk:Pr4ever">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Pr4ever-2008-10-12T04:02:00.000Z-TV_spot_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pr4ever-2008-10-12T04:02:00.000Z-TV_spot_edits"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pr4ever-2008-10-12T04:02:00.000Z-TV_spot_edits"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-12T04:08:00.000Z-Pr4ever-2008-10-12T04:02:00.000Z"></span>The language is certainly better, and might be suitable for some of the places where the original was removed. If this is a particularly politically charged issue, you may expect its placement to be questioned for weight and relevancy. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-10-12T04:08:00.000Z-Pr4ever-2008-10-12T04:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:08, 12 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-12T04:08:00.000Z-Pr4ever-2008-10-12T04:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-12T04:08:00.000Z-Pr4ever-2008-10-12T04:02:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pr4ever-2008-10-12T05:22:00.000Z-Pr4ever-2008-10-12T04:02:00.000Z"></span>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Pr4ever" title="User:Pr4ever">Pr4ever</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pr4ever" title="User talk:Pr4ever">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Pr4ever-2008-10-12T05:22:00.000Z-Pr4ever-2008-10-12T04:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pr4ever-2008-10-12T05:22:00.000Z-Pr4ever-2008-10-12T04:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pr4ever-2008-10-12T05:22:00.000Z-Pr4ever-2008-10-12T04:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Virgin_America_Arbitration_Filing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Virgin_America_Arbitration_Filing-2008-10-12T04:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Virgin_America_Arbitration_Filing-2008-10-12T04:47:00.000Z"></span>Virgin America Arbitration Filing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Virgin_America_Arbitration_Filing-2008-10-12T04:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-45Factoid44-2008-10-12T04:47:00.000Z-Virgin_America_Arbitration_Filing"></span>What do you propose we do then because discussion and survey failed, and un-decisive mediation, which we can't seem to get informally and don't meet the criteria for for the reasons I mentioned formally, won't work for obvious reasons because project editors have tried and failed trying to do the same thing. Have you read the talk page?? That article will simply stay protected forever if someone doesn't HELP. I intend to abandon it if isn't resolved or in arbitration or something like it in ernest by Monday. Thanks <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:45Factoid44&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:45Factoid44 (page does not exist)">45Factoid44</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:45Factoid44" title="User talk:45Factoid44">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-45Factoid44-2008-10-12T04:47:00.000Z-Virgin_America_Arbitration_Filing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-45Factoid44-2008-10-12T04:47:00.000Z-Virgin_America_Arbitration_Filing"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-45Factoid44-2008-10-12T04:47:00.000Z-Virgin_America_Arbitration_Filing"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_decision_-_Sarah_Palin_protection_wheel_war" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_decision_-_Sarah_Palin_protection_wheel_war-2008-10-12T09:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_decision_-_Sarah_Palin_protection_wheel_war-2008-10-12T09:41:00.000Z"></span>Proposed decision - Sarah Palin protection wheel war<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_decision_-_Sarah_Palin_protection_wheel_war-2008-10-12T09:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-12T09:41:00.000Z-Proposed_decision_-_Sarah_Palin_protection_wheel_war"></span>Having thought about, I think we're at the end of this case. 2 moves to close have been made <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Sarah_Palin_protection_wheel_war/Proposed_decision#Vote" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Sarah Palin protection wheel war/Proposed decision">here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-12T09:41:00.000Z-Proposed_decision_-_Sarah_Palin_protection_wheel_war" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-12T09:41:00.000Z-Proposed_decision_-_Sarah_Palin_protection_wheel_war"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-12T09:41:00.000Z-Proposed_decision_-_Sarah_Palin_protection_wheel_war"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RFAr_sig" data-mw-thread-id="h-RFAr_sig-2008-10-19T16:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RFAr_sig-2008-10-19T16:06:00.000Z"></span>RFAr sig<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RFAr_sig-2008-10-19T16:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-How_do_you_turn_this_on-2008-10-19T16:06:00.000Z-RFAr_sig"></span>Hi, </p><p>You might want to resign <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_arbitration&diff=246305760&oldid=246284977">here</a>, to make it clear that it's you voting. Best wishes, -- <a href="/wiki/User:How_do_you_turn_this_on" class="mw-redirect" title="User:How do you turn this on">How do you turn this on</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:How_do_you_turn_this_on#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:How do you turn this on">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-How_do_you_turn_this_on-2008-10-19T16:06:00.000Z-RFAr_sig" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-How_do_you_turn_this_on-2008-10-19T16:06:00.000Z-RFAr_sig"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-How_do_you_turn_this_on-2008-10-19T16:06:00.000Z-RFAr_sig"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-19T16:08:00.000Z-How_do_you_turn_this_on-2008-10-19T16:06:00.000Z"></span>Oops! Thanks. Hey! You asked me to resign! English she a funny language. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-10-19T16:08:00.000Z-How_do_you_turn_this_on-2008-10-19T16:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-19T16:08:00.000Z-How_do_you_turn_this_on-2008-10-19T16:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-19T16:08:00.000Z-How_do_you_turn_this_on-2008-10-19T16:06:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-How_do_you_turn_this_on-2008-10-19T16:12:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-19T16:08:00.000Z"></span>Oh dear, that wasn't intentional - don't resign! But thanks for re-signing! ;-) -- <a href="/wiki/User:How_do_you_turn_this_on" class="mw-redirect" title="User:How do you turn this on">How do you turn this on</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:How_do_you_turn_this_on#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:How do you turn this on">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-How_do_you_turn_this_on-2008-10-19T16:12:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-19T16:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-How_do_you_turn_this_on-2008-10-19T16:12:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-19T16:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-How_do_you_turn_this_on-2008-10-19T16:12:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-19T16:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Possible_Rangeblock_on_"Stalker"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Possible_Rangeblock_on_"Stalker"-2008-10-24T04:52:00.000Z"><span id="Possible_Rangeblock_on_.22Stalker.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Possible_Rangeblock_on_"Stalker"-2008-10-24T04:52:00.000Z"></span>Possible Rangeblock on "Stalker"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Possible_Rangeblock_on_"Stalker"-2008-10-24T04:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-10-24T04:52:00.000Z-Possible_Rangeblock_on_"Stalker""></span>Hello Jpgordon. On behalf of <a href="/wiki/User:RepublicanJacobite" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RepublicanJacobite">User:RepublicanJacobite</a>, I am requesting that you <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RepublicanJacobite/stalker&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RepublicanJacobite/stalker (page does not exist)">check this out</a> per the <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Will_Beback#Range_block.3F" title="User talk:Will Beback">discussion</a> between myself and RepublicanJacobite. <a href="/wiki/User:Alison" title="User:Alison">User:Alison</a> told R.J. that she could deal with the matter by rangeblocking, but as RJ said, we've got no idea on what she had in mind. As Alison is currently on a wikibreak, she can't help us now. We have decided that we <i>need</i> a checkuser to see this before taking any risks; it's more complex than I initially thought. Hopefully this isn't too vague here; if you would like me to convert the templates on RJ's subpage to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Checkip" title="Template:Checkip">checkip</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> for more ease of use, I'll gladly do so. Ah, and please let me know if there's something I missed. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-10-24T04:52:00.000Z-Possible_Rangeblock_on_"Stalker"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-10-24T04:52:00.000Z-Possible_Rangeblock_on_"Stalker""></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-10-24T04:52:00.000Z-Possible_Rangeblock_on_"Stalker""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-24T05:17:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-24T04:52:00.000Z"></span>Even better: put the proposed ranges in <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Checkip" title="Template:Checkip">checkip</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. For example: <dl><dd><span class="plainlinks neverexpand cuEntry"><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:68.18.14.0/24">68.18.14.0/24</a></span> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:68.18.14.0/24&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:68.18.14.0/24 (page does not exist)">talk</a><sup><span style="font-size: 120%;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A68.18.14.0%2F24&action=edit&section=new"><span style="color: grey">+</span></a></span></sup> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3A68.18.14.0%2F24&preload=Template%3ACheckip%2FPreload&preloadparams%5B%5D=%3C%21--+Insert+sock+master+name+here+--%3E&action=edit">tag</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.18.14.0/24" title="Special:Contributions/68.18.14.0/24">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=68.18.14.0%2F24">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://whois-referral.toolforge.org/gateway.py?ip=68.18.14.0%2F24&lookup=true">WHOIS</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.robtex.com/rbls/68.18.14.0/24.html">RBLs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://ipcheck.toolforge.org/index.php?ip=68.18.14.0%2F24">proxy check</a><span class="sysop-show"> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/68.18.14.0/24" title="Special:Block/68.18.14.0/24">block user</a></span> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3A68.18.14.0%2F24">block log</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://guc.toolforge.org/?user=68.18.14.0%2F24&by=date">cross-wiki contribs</a><span class="cuLink checkuser-show"> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACheckUser&ip=68.18.14.0%2F24">CheckUser</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACheckUserLog&cuSearch=68.18.14.0%2F24">log</a>)</span>)</span></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Probably won't be able to get to it until Friday day (it's about 2215 Thursday here now.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-10-24T05:17:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-24T04:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:17, 24 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-24T05:17:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-24T04:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-24T05:17:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-24T04:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-10-24T05:28:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-24T05:17:00.000Z"></span>Okay, then. Actually, I have to sleep right now, so I'll do that tommorow. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-10-24T05:28:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-24T05:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:28, 24 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-10-24T05:28:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-24T05:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-10-24T05:28:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-24T05:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-10-24T23:23:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-24T05:28:00.000Z"></span>Alright, so I have updated <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RepublicanJacobite/stalker&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RepublicanJacobite/stalker (page does not exist)">User:RepublicanJacobite/stalker</a> and added everything I've got at this point. I should remind you that some of the ranges vary quite a bit from others. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.154.191.0/24" title="Special:Contributions/72.154.191.0/24">72.154.191.0/24</a> is almost purely composed of IP socks reverting RJ's contributions. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Troy_07/Sandbox/&oldid=247485385">See</a> for yourself if you wish. The most important thing is that these ranges get checkusered carefully, so I'm going to breathe easy and wait for the results while you can take your time to do your thing. Good luck. <a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-10-24T23:23:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-24T05:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:23, 24 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-10-24T23:23:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-24T05:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-10-24T23:23:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-24T05:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_decision_-_Abtract-Collectonian" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_decision_-_Abtract-Collectonian-2008-10-27T06:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_decision_-_Abtract-Collectonian-2008-10-27T06:01:00.000Z"></span>Proposed decision - Abtract-Collectonian<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_decision_-_Abtract-Collectonian-2008-10-27T06:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-27T06:01:00.000Z-Proposed_decision_-_Abtract-Collectonian"></span>This case is going to be 2 weeks old in another couple of days. Evidence/workshop is complete, and all proposals made on the pd page have been supported by 3 arbitrators. As an arbitrator who voted to accept this case, if you could kindly hop on over to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Abtract-Collectonian/Proposed_decision#Proposed_final_decision" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Abtract-Collectonian/Proposed decision">this page</a> to vote, that'd be great. Hopefully this case will be ready to close by 29 Oct. :) Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-27T06:01:00.000Z-Proposed_decision_-_Abtract-Collectonian" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:01, 27 October 2008 (UTC)</a> <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-27T06:01:00.000Z-Proposed_decision_-_Abtract-Collectonian"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-27T06:01:00.000Z-Proposed_decision_-_Abtract-Collectonian"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-28T17:40:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-27T06:01:00.000Z"></span>There has been a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Abtract-Collectonian/Proposed_decision#Vote" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Abtract-Collectonian/Proposed decision">move to close</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-28T17:40:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-27T06:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-28T17:40:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-27T06:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-28T17:40:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-27T06:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IMS_Associates,_Inc." data-mw-thread-id="h-IMS_Associates,_Inc.-2008-10-27T13:05:00.000Z"><span id="IMS_Associates.2C_Inc."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IMS_Associates,_Inc.-2008-10-27T13:05:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/IMS_Associates,_Inc." title="IMS Associates, Inc.">IMS Associates, Inc.</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-IMS_Associates,_Inc.-2008-10-27T13:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fish_and_karate-2008-10-27T13:05:00.000Z-IMS_Associates,_Inc."></span>Hi Josh. I've greatly expanded this article. If you have the time, take a look and let me know what you think. Please let me know if I've got anything wrong to the best of your recollection! <a href="/wiki/User:Fish_and_karate" title="User:Fish and karate"><u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#28c"><b>fish</b></u></a>&<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fish_and_karate" title="User talk:Fish and karate"><u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#D33"><b>karate</b></u></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Fish_and_karate-2008-10-27T13:05:00.000Z-IMS_Associates,_Inc." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fish_and_karate-2008-10-27T13:05:00.000Z-IMS_Associates,_Inc."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fish_and_karate-2008-10-27T13:05:00.000Z-IMS_Associates,_Inc."></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-27T23:36:00.000Z-Fish_and_karate-2008-10-27T13:05:00.000Z"></span>Nicely done. By the way, I'm not sure I agree with the evaluation in that Forbes article -- in particular, <i>Imsai ended up as a company in which employees worked extremely long hours but were afraid to speak up, the slightest infraction was met by harsh discipline, and top executives lived and acted like royalty while the grunts received crumbs.</i> Perhaps it varied from department to department, but at least in the engineering department, I never saw any "harsh discipline" nor "grunts receiving crumbs"; as a newbie fresh out of college, perhaps I didn't have a lot of perspective, and I know that the head of engineering, Glenn Ewing, protected his staff quite well from the est crapola. I was asked once if I was interested, said no, and that was it. Sales and marketing were perhaps different; est always seemed well designed for those disciplines, just as it was poorly designed for engineering disciplines. You might want to add some material to the article about the massive lawsuit Millard lost to former IMS investors. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-10-27T23:36:00.000Z-Fish_and_karate-2008-10-27T13:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-27T23:36:00.000Z-Fish_and_karate-2008-10-27T13:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-27T23:36:00.000Z-Fish_and_karate-2008-10-27T13:05:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="\piss_off" data-mw-thread-id="h-\piss_off-2008-10-27T23:24:00.000Z"><span id=".5Cpiss_off"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-\piss_off-2008-10-27T23:24:00.000Z"></span>\piss off<span data-mw-comment-end="h-\piss_off-2008-10-27T23:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.39.6.120-2008-10-27T23:24:00.000Z-\piss_off"></span>yu gay <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.39.6.120" title="Special:Contributions/217.39.6.120">217.39.6.120</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:217.39.6.120" title="User talk:217.39.6.120">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-217.39.6.120-2008-10-27T23:24:00.000Z-\piss_off" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.39.6.120-2008-10-27T23:24:00.000Z-\piss_off"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.39.6.120-2008-10-27T23:24:00.000Z-\piss_off"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-27T23:29:00.000Z-217.39.6.120-2008-10-27T23:24:00.000Z"></span>Nah, I'm not. I've been called that before, though; perhaps it's my boyish good looks. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-10-27T23:29:00.000Z-217.39.6.120-2008-10-27T23:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:29, 27 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-27T23:29:00.000Z-217.39.6.120-2008-10-27T23:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-27T23:29:00.000Z-217.39.6.120-2008-10-27T23:24:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-10-30T21:17:00.000Z-217.39.6.120-2008-10-27T23:24:00.000Z"></span>Apparently, spelling is not a key requirement for personal attacks. I miss the good old days. <a href="/wiki/User:Orangemarlin" title="User:Orangemarlin"><span style="color:orange;"><b>Orange</b></span><span style="color:teal;"><b>Marlin</b></span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin" title="User talk:Orangemarlin">Talk•</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin" title="Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin">Contributions</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Orangemarlin-2008-10-30T21:17:00.000Z-217.39.6.120-2008-10-27T23:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-10-30T21:17:00.000Z-217.39.6.120-2008-10-27T23:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orangemarlin-2008-10-30T21:17:00.000Z-217.39.6.120-2008-10-27T23:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Just_in_case_you_missed_it" data-mw-thread-id="h-Just_in_case_you_missed_it-2008-10-30T20:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Just_in_case_you_missed_it-2008-10-30T20:04:00.000Z"></span>Just in case you missed it<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Just_in_case_you_missed_it-2008-10-30T20:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-10-30T20:04:00.000Z-Just_in_case_you_missed_it"></span>You should read what your former bandmate is up to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/30/153346/39/774/647057">here</a>. :) <a href="/wiki/User:Orangemarlin" title="User:Orangemarlin"><span style="color:orange;"><b>Orange</b></span><span style="color:teal;"><b>Marlin</b></span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin" title="User talk:Orangemarlin">Talk•</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin" title="Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin">Contributions</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Orangemarlin-2008-10-30T20:04:00.000Z-Just_in_case_you_missed_it" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-10-30T20:04:00.000Z-Just_in_case_you_missed_it"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orangemarlin-2008-10-30T20:04:00.000Z-Just_in_case_you_missed_it"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T20:08:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-10-30T20:04:00.000Z"></span>I was kinda surprised how low-key the spot is; hardly any Danny intensity. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T20:08:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-10-30T20:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T20:08:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-10-30T20:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T20:08:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2008-10-30T20:04:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-10-30T21:16:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T20:08:00.000Z"></span>But it certainly drives home a point. <a href="/wiki/User:Orangemarlin" title="User:Orangemarlin"><span style="color:orange;"><b>Orange</b></span><span style="color:teal;"><b>Marlin</b></span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin" title="User talk:Orangemarlin">Talk•</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin" title="Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin">Contributions</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Orangemarlin-2008-10-30T21:16:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T20:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-10-30T21:16:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T20:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orangemarlin-2008-10-30T21:16:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T20:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Anon_Block?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Anon_Block?-2008-10-30T01:58:00.000Z"><span id="Anon_Block.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Anon_Block?-2008-10-30T01:58:00.000Z"></span>Anon Block?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Anon_Block?-2008-10-30T01:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-10-30T01:58:00.000Z-Anon_Block?"></span>Hello jpgordon. After a few days, I was a little more busy myself, so I just realized now that RepublicanJacobite's stalker has reappeared on my talk page yesterday and harrassed RJ on another page as well (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.154.191.175" title="Special:Contributions/72.154.191.175">Special:Contributions/72.154.191.175</a>). Seeing as how it looks to be inevitable in the near future, I would like to see if we could try out a range block on <span class="plainlinks neverexpand cuEntry"><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:72.154.191.0/24">72.154.191.0/24</a></span> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:72.154.191.0/24&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:72.154.191.0/24 (page does not exist)">talk</a><sup><span style="font-size: 120%;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A72.154.191.0%2F24&action=edit&section=new"><span style="color: grey">+</span></a></span></sup> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3A72.154.191.0%2F24&preload=Template%3ACheckip%2FPreload&preloadparams%5B%5D=%3C%21--+Insert+sock+master+name+here+--%3E&action=edit">tag</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.154.191.0/24" title="Special:Contributions/72.154.191.0/24">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=72.154.191.0%2F24">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://whois-referral.toolforge.org/gateway.py?ip=72.154.191.0%2F24&lookup=true">WHOIS</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.robtex.com/rbls/72.154.191.0/24.html">RBLs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://ipcheck.toolforge.org/index.php?ip=72.154.191.0%2F24">proxy check</a><span class="sysop-show"> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/72.154.191.0/24" title="Special:Block/72.154.191.0/24">block user</a></span> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3A72.154.191.0%2F24">block log</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://guc.toolforge.org/?user=72.154.191.0%2F24&by=date">cross-wiki contribs</a><span class="cuLink checkuser-show"> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACheckUser&ip=72.154.191.0%2F24">CheckUser</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACheckUserLog&cuSearch=72.154.191.0%2F24">log</a>)</span>)</span> or any of the other ranges (as discussed on <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RepublicanJacobite/stalker&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RepublicanJacobite/stalker (page does not exist)">User:RepublicanJacobite/stalker</a>; may be necessary if s/he turns up there too). That specific range from which s/he most recently was almost purely used by the same user by the looks of it, if not entirely. <a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-10-30T01:58:00.000Z-Anon_Block?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-10-30T01:58:00.000Z-Anon_Block?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-10-30T01:58:00.000Z-Anon_Block?"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T06:32:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-30T01:58:00.000Z"></span>Small range blocks like that -- eight IP addresses -- are generally OK (anon-only, of course.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T06:32:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-30T01:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T06:32:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-30T01:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T06:32:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-30T01:58:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-10-30T18:59:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T06:32:00.000Z"></span>Is that to say that we should range block now, or wait? I have little idea of the IP's patterns from before this, but I would assume that there is still more than one IP that could be involved. RJ seems to be followed back and forth within the span of hours/days, and I'm not even certain if s/he's following this section now (although I could hardly care less if this wasn't a recurring incident). <a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-10-30T18:59:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T06:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-10-30T18:59:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T06:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-10-30T18:59:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T06:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T19:25:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-30T18:59:00.000Z"></span>Well, how many attacks have come from that range, over what period of time? --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T19:25:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-30T18:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T19:25:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-30T18:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T19:25:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-30T18:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-10-31T22:58:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T19:25:00.000Z"></span>Several; most of the edits were largely from either July or October. As for the other ranges, there's no way for me to consistently track them, so they aren't my prime concern for the moment unless there's any recent negative activity. In the range I'm talking about now, that IP (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.154.191.175" title="Special:Contributions/72.154.191.175">Special:Contributions/72.154.191.175</a>) again appears to have been <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_One&action=history">vandalizing a few pages like this</a> last night after a block expired. I don't have any ideas on whether or not an individual block will be sufficient or not; it's certainly the same guy. <a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-10-31T22:58:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T19:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-10-31T22:58:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T19:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-10-31T22:58:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-10-30T19:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-10-31T23:16:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-31T22:58:00.000Z"></span>...<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SirFozzie/NI_Article_Discussions&diff=prev&oldid=248770051">Definitely</a> the same guy. --<a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-10-31T23:16:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-31T22:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-10-31T23:16:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-31T22:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-10-31T23:16:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-31T22:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-31T23:33:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-31T23:16:00.000Z"></span>Range blocked. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-10-31T23:33:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-31T23:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-31T23:33:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-31T23:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-31T23:33:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-10-31T23:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Jeremiah_Wright" data-mw-thread-id="h-Jeremiah_Wright-2008-10-31T12:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Jeremiah_Wright-2008-10-31T12:49:00.000Z"></span>Jeremiah Wright<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Jeremiah_Wright-2008-10-31T12:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IP75-2008-10-31T12:49:00.000Z-Jeremiah_Wright"></span>Hi JP, Could you please semi-protect <a href="/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright" title="Jeremiah Wright">Jeremiah Wright</a> until after the election. The majority of the activity on the page is unsourced pov and vandalism. There was a note that this was to be the status, but I think it was overlooked. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:IP75" title="User:IP75">IP75</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IP75" title="User talk:IP75">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-IP75-2008-10-31T12:49:00.000Z-Jeremiah_Wright" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IP75-2008-10-31T12:49:00.000Z-Jeremiah_Wright"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IP75-2008-10-31T12:49:00.000Z-Jeremiah_Wright"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-31T15:09:00.000Z-IP75-2008-10-31T12:49:00.000Z"></span>Someone neutral should do so. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFPP">WP:RFPP</a> is the place to request such protection. (But once-a-day vandalism is just annoying; we don't tend to protect for that.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-10-31T15:09:00.000Z-IP75-2008-10-31T12:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-31T15:09:00.000Z-IP75-2008-10-31T12:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-10-31T15:09:00.000Z-IP75-2008-10-31T12:49:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Another_IP_range" data-mw-thread-id="h-Another_IP_range-2008-11-01T05:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Another_IP_range-2008-11-01T05:27:00.000Z"></span>Another IP range<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Another_IP_range-2008-11-01T05:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-11-01T05:27:00.000Z-Another_IP_range"></span>Hello JP. I'm sorry about writing a new section about this, but it involves the same issue as above (a new section to reach your attention, anyway). The user has returned <i>again</i> as <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.146.79.148" title="Special:Contributions/72.146.79.148">72.146.79.148</a> (in <span class="plainlinks neverexpand cuEntry"><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:72.146.64.0/19">72.146.64.0/19</a></span> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:72.146.64.0/19&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:72.146.64.0/19 (page does not exist)">talk</a><sup><span style="font-size: 120%;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A72.146.64.0%2F19&action=edit&section=new"><span style="color: grey">+</span></a></span></sup> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3A72.146.64.0%2F19&preload=Template%3ACheckip%2FPreload&preloadparams%5B%5D=%3C%21--+Insert+sock+master+name+here+--%3E&action=edit">tag</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.146.64.0/19" title="Special:Contributions/72.146.64.0/19">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=72.146.64.0%2F19">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://whois-referral.toolforge.org/gateway.py?ip=72.146.64.0%2F19&lookup=true">WHOIS</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.robtex.com/rbls/72.146.64.0/19.html">RBLs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://ipcheck.toolforge.org/index.php?ip=72.146.64.0%2F19">proxy check</a><span class="sysop-show"> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/72.146.64.0/19" title="Special:Block/72.146.64.0/19">block user</a></span> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3A72.146.64.0%2F19">block log</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://guc.toolforge.org/?user=72.146.64.0%2F19&by=date">cross-wiki contribs</a><span class="cuLink checkuser-show"> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACheckUser&ip=72.146.64.0%2F19">CheckUser</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACheckUserLog&cuSearch=72.146.64.0%2F19">log</a>)</span>)</span>, a larger range). Considering that this IP range is far larger, what should we have in mind? The rangeblock that you set today could only mean that this user is easily able to edit from other ranges. Ah, and my apologies for the consistent "drama" here; I certainly didn't see that one coming. There's a point when I guess there's nothing we can do about it, but I'm not sure about where that lies. <a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-11-01T05:27:00.000Z-Another_IP_range" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-11-01T05:27:00.000Z-Another_IP_range"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-11-01T05:27:00.000Z-Another_IP_range"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-01T05:58:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-11-01T05:27:00.000Z"></span>Perhaps it would best simply be reverted and ignored. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-01T05:58:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-11-01T05:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-01T05:58:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-11-01T05:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-01T05:58:00.000Z-Troy_07-2008-11-01T05:27:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Troy_07-2008-11-01T22:24:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-01T05:58:00.000Z"></span>And with that said, it's time for me to get back to work as usual ...I certainly didn't have any plans to stick around with that guy in the first place :) <a href="/wiki/User:Troy_07" title="User:Troy 07">~ Troy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Troy_07" title="User talk:Troy 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Troy_07-2008-11-01T22:24:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-01T05:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Troy_07-2008-11-01T22:24:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-01T05:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Troy_07-2008-11-01T22:24:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-01T05:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thank_you" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thank_you-2008-11-02T12:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thank_you-2008-11-02T12:09:00.000Z"></span>Thank you<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thank_you-2008-11-02T12:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lukestar1991-2008-11-02T12:09:00.000Z-Thank_you"></span>Thanks for your reply to my question on the Yardbirds, it is much appreciated. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Lukestar1991" title="User:Lukestar1991">Lukestar1991</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lukestar1991" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Lukestar1991">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lukestar1991" title="Special:Contributions/Lukestar1991">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Lukestar1991-2008-11-02T12:09:00.000Z-Thank_you" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:09, 2 November 2008 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lukestar1991-2008-11-02T12:09:00.000Z-Thank_you"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lukestar1991-2008-11-02T12:09:00.000Z-Thank_you"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="request" data-mw-thread-id="h-request-2008-11-10T21:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-request-2008-11-10T21:13:00.000Z"></span>request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-request-2008-11-10T21:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-74.174.46.42-2008-11-10T21:13:00.000Z-request"></span>If you were a fair man, you would use your power to at least remind Wikidemon not to remove article talk page comments. Instead, you mock people who complain. I just found out that Wikidemon has done this before (deleting comments). </p><p>Act fair, not with favortism. I will leave it at that and see if you do the right thing. I have low expectations. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.174.46.42" title="Special:Contributions/74.174.46.42">74.174.46.42</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:74.174.46.42" title="User talk:74.174.46.42">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-74.174.46.42-2008-11-10T21:13:00.000Z-request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 10 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-74.174.46.42-2008-11-10T21:13:00.000Z-request"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-74.174.46.42-2008-11-10T21:13:00.000Z-request"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-10T21:33:00.000Z-74.174.46.42-2008-11-10T21:13:00.000Z"></span>Removing article talk page comments is acceptable in some cases, and in your case it was entirely acceptable; his rationale (claiming your mentioning his name was a personal attack) was partially incorrect, but that's about it. Article talk pages aren't about making political points ("Obama's First Lie"), they're about collaborating for the improvement of the article. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-10T21:33:00.000Z-74.174.46.42-2008-11-10T21:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-10T21:33:00.000Z-74.174.46.42-2008-11-10T21:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-10T21:33:00.000Z-74.174.46.42-2008-11-10T21:13:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Happy_Jpgordon/Archive_4's_Day!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Happy_Jpgordon/Archive_4's_Day!-2008-11-11T00:08:00.000Z"><span id="Happy_Jpgordon.2FArchive_4.27s_Day.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Happy_Jpgordon/Archive_4's_Day!-2008-11-11T00:08:00.000Z"></span>Happy Jpgordon/Archive 4's Day!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Happy_Jpgordon/Archive_4's_Day!-2008-11-11T00:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border:2px ridge steelblue; -moz-border-radius: 10px; background:#EAF5FF; padding-left: 8px; padding-right: 8px; padding-top: 8px; padding-bottom: 8px;" align="center"> <tbody><tr> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rlevse-2008-11-11T00:08:00.000Z-Happy_Jpgordon/Archive_4's_Day!"></span><figure class="mw-halign-none" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Featured_article_star.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/150px-Featured_article_star.svg.png" decoding="async" width="150" height="150" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/225px-Featured_article_star.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/300px-Featured_article_star.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="180"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> </td> <td style="padding-left: 20px; padding-right: 10px; font-family: Comic Sans MS, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; text-align: center;"> <p><b><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jpgordon/Archive_4&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jpgordon/Archive 4 (page does not exist)">User:Jpgordon/Archive 4</a></b> has been identified as an <i><b>Awesome Wikipedian</b></i>,<br/> and therefore, I've officially declared today as <a href="/wiki/User:Rlevse" title="User:Rlevse">Jpgordon/Archive 4's day</a>!<br/> For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian,<br/> enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Jpgordon/Archive 4! </p><p>Peace,<br/><a href="/wiki/User:Rlevse" title="User:Rlevse"><b><span style="color:#009900;">R</span><span style="color:#00AA00;">l</span><span style="color:#00BB00;">e</span><span style="color:#00CC00;">v</span><span style="color:#00DD00;">s</span><span style="color:#00CC00;">e</span></b></a><br/>~ </p><p><small>A record of your Day will always be kept <a href="/wiki/User:Rlevse/Today/Archive" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rlevse/Today/Archive">here</a>.</small> </p> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see <a href="/wiki/User:EVula/Userboxes/Happy_Me_Day!" title="User:EVula/Userboxes/Happy Me Day!">User:EVula/Userboxes/Happy Me Day!</a> and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it.<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <a href="/wiki/User:Rlevse" title="User:Rlevse"><b style="color:#060;"><i>R</i>levse</b></a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rlevse" title="User talk:Rlevse"><span style="color:#990;">Talk</span></a> • </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Rlevse-2008-11-11T00:08:00.000Z-Happy_Jpgordon/Archive_4's_Day!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rlevse-2008-11-11T00:08:00.000Z-Happy_Jpgordon/Archive_4's_Day!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rlevse-2008-11-11T00:08:00.000Z-Happy_Jpgordon/Archive_4's_Day!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jossi-2008-11-11T01:10:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-11-11T00:08:00.000Z"></span>Well deserved, indeed. <a href="/wiki/User:Jossi" title="User:Jossi">≈ jossi ≈</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jossi" title="User talk:Jossi">(talk)</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jossi-2008-11-11T01:10:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-11-11T00:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jossi-2008-11-11T01:10:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-11-11T00:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jossi-2008-11-11T01:10:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-11-11T00:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-11T02:02:00.000Z-Happy_Jpgordon/Archive_4's_Day!"></span>Wow! Thanks! --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-11T02:02:00.000Z-Happy_Jpgordon/Archive_4's_Day!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-11T02:02:00.000Z-Happy_Jpgordon/Archive_4's_Day!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-11T02:02:00.000Z-Happy_Jpgordon/Archive_4's_Day!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Three_years" data-mw-thread-id="h-Three_years-2008-11-03T20:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Three_years-2008-11-03T20:04:00.000Z"></span>Three years<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Three_years-2008-11-03T20:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:04:00.000Z-Three_years"></span>Three years is starting to feel like way too long to serve as an admin, so I can only imagine that it's an eternity for an Arbitrator. I'm sorry to see you're stepping down - Arbs with front-line experience actively editing controversial articles are already an endangered and apparently non-renewable resource - but I can understand the rationale completely. Thanks again for your hard work as an editor and Arb, and enjoy the (relative) peace and quiet... :) <b><a href="/wiki/User:MastCell" title="User:MastCell">MastCell</a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MastCell" title="User talk:MastCell">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:04:00.000Z-Three_years" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:04:00.000Z-Three_years"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:04:00.000Z-Three_years"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-03T20:13:00.000Z-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:04:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. It's not like I'm going anywhere, though! What I found particularly wearying is being a judge; I'd never been in that role before, and I'm glad I've tried it once so I don't have to again. I'm going to go right ahead doing exactly what I've been doing this last couple years. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-03T20:13:00.000Z-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-03T20:13:00.000Z-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-03T20:13:00.000Z-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:14:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-03T20:13:00.000Z"></span>Glad to hear it. <b><a href="/wiki/User:MastCell" title="User:MastCell">MastCell</a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MastCell" title="User talk:MastCell">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:14:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-03T20:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:14, 3 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:14:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-03T20:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:14:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-03T20:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-04T02:04:00.000Z-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:14:00.000Z"></span>Me too. <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-04T02:04:00.000Z-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-04T02:04:00.000Z-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-04T02:04:00.000Z-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jc37-2008-11-10T18:05:00.000Z-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:04:00.000Z"></span>While I did and do consider you a voice of reason (though fairly, of several voices) at arbcomm (and elsewhere), and think that you will be missed, I'm also empathetic, and wish you well : ) - <a href="/wiki/User:Jc37" title="User:Jc37">jc37</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jc37-2008-11-10T18:05:00.000Z-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:05, 10 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jc37-2008-11-10T18:05:00.000Z-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jc37-2008-11-10T18:05:00.000Z-MastCell-2008-11-03T20:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-11-15T23:18:00.000Z-Jc37-2008-11-10T18:05:00.000Z"></span>I just saw this. Not good. I am concerned about the future of this group, and its moral authority on the project. There is an impression, if not outright belief, that ArbCom is anti-science and pro-fringe. There are a whole host of editors who feel that ArbCom is being used a tool to bludgeon a group of editors. I hope that it isn't true, but without you, it becomes harder to believe that ArbCom will be truly fair. Oh well, maybe we can replace you with the person who started this thread. Hmmmmmm? <a href="/wiki/User:Orangemarlin" title="User:Orangemarlin"><span style="color:orange;"><b>Orange</b></span><span style="color:teal;"><b>Marlin</b></span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin" title="User talk:Orangemarlin">Talk•</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin" title="Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin">Contributions</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Orangemarlin-2008-11-15T23:18:00.000Z-Jc37-2008-11-10T18:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 15 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-11-15T23:18:00.000Z-Jc37-2008-11-10T18:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orangemarlin-2008-11-15T23:18:00.000Z-Jc37-2008-11-10T18:05:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-16T00:11:00.000Z-Jc37-2008-11-10T18:05:00.000Z"></span>I don't have much to add to the above. Sorry to see you go, but I absolutely sympathize with the burnout factor. You have been a voice of reason on arbcom, and your absence will be all the more felt because some of the current slate give cause for deep concern. Some time ago I immortalized one of your statements on <a href="/wiki/User:Raymond_arritt" title="User:Raymond arritt">my old user page</a> -- please don't hold that against me! <a href="/wiki/User:Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Short Brigade Harvester Boris">Short Brigade Harvester Boris</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Short Brigade Harvester Boris">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-16T00:11:00.000Z-Jc37-2008-11-10T18:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 16 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-16T00:11:00.000Z-Jc37-2008-11-10T18:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-16T00:11:00.000Z-Jc37-2008-11-10T18:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="/26_rangeblock" data-mw-thread-id="h-/26_rangeblock-2008-11-20T04:15:00.000Z"><span id=".2F26_rangeblock"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-/26_rangeblock-2008-11-20T04:15:00.000Z"></span>/26 rangeblock<span data-mw-comment-end="h-/26_rangeblock-2008-11-20T04:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avraham-2008-11-20T04:15:00.000Z-/26_rangeblock"></span>Yes, but the sockpuppeteer, who has been very active, has already been caught trying to get the block lifted so it is working. I'd rather at this point have a handful of temporary IPexemptions than allow the sockpuppeteer back creating another 20 or so accounts at a time. Do you disagree? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Avraham" title="User:Avraham">Avi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Avraham" title="User talk:Avraham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Avraham-2008-11-20T04:15:00.000Z-/26_rangeblock" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:15, 20 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avraham-2008-11-20T04:15:00.000Z-/26_rangeblock"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avraham-2008-11-20T04:15:00.000Z-/26_rangeblock"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-20T04:57:00.000Z-Avraham-2008-11-20T04:15:00.000Z"></span>If the IP exemptions are working well as a solution to the problem, I'm fine with it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-20T04:57:00.000Z-Avraham-2008-11-20T04:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:57, 20 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-20T04:57:00.000Z-Avraham-2008-11-20T04:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-20T04:57:00.000Z-Avraham-2008-11-20T04:15:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_Whereistheproof" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_Whereistheproof-2008-11-20T16:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_Whereistheproof-2008-11-20T16:58:00.000Z"></span>User Whereistheproof<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_Whereistheproof-2008-11-20T16:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Keepcalmandcarryon-2008-11-20T16:58:00.000Z-User_Whereistheproof"></span>You may already be aware of this, but <a href="/wiki/User:Whereistheproof" title="User:Whereistheproof">Whereistheproof</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whereistheproof" title="User talk:Whereistheproof">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Whereistheproof" title="Special:Contributions/Whereistheproof">contribs</a>) has shared his or her password in an internet <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://groups.msn.com/AIDSMythExposed/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=36738&LastModified=4675698863764855330">forum</a> and coached others on which articles to edit. Where's message includes: </p><p>"I think its time to ensure that more facts are put onto wikipedia. Every time I change something, it is changed back within a mater of hours and I need your help to keep the editors of those sites engaged." </p><p>"Please feel free to use the above account details to change or amend or engage with wiki editors regarding the following sites:" (list follows) <a href="/wiki/User:Keepcalmandcarryon" title="User:Keepcalmandcarryon">Keepcalmandcarryon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Keepcalmandcarryon" title="User talk:Keepcalmandcarryon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Keepcalmandcarryon-2008-11-20T16:58:00.000Z-User_Whereistheproof" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 20 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Keepcalmandcarryon-2008-11-20T16:58:00.000Z-User_Whereistheproof"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Keepcalmandcarryon-2008-11-20T16:58:00.000Z-User_Whereistheproof"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MBisanz-2008-11-20T17:06:00.000Z-Keepcalmandcarryon-2008-11-20T16:58:00.000Z"></span>I have had a steward globally lock <a href="/wiki/User:Whereistheproof" title="User:Whereistheproof">Whereistheproof</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whereistheproof" title="User talk:Whereistheproof">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Whereistheproof" title="Special:Contributions/Whereistheproof">contribs</a>) as a vandal compromised account. <b><a href="/wiki/User:MBisanz" title="User:MBisanz"><span style="color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;">MBisanz</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MBisanz" title="User talk:MBisanz"><span style="color: #FFA500;">talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-MBisanz-2008-11-20T17:06:00.000Z-Keepcalmandcarryon-2008-11-20T16:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 20 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MBisanz-2008-11-20T17:06:00.000Z-Keepcalmandcarryon-2008-11-20T16:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MBisanz-2008-11-20T17:06:00.000Z-Keepcalmandcarryon-2008-11-20T16:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MastCell-2008-11-20T19:48:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-11-20T17:06:00.000Z"></span>You've got mail (or will in a couple of seconds) :) <b><a href="/wiki/User:MastCell" title="User:MastCell">MastCell</a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MastCell" title="User talk:MastCell">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-MastCell-2008-11-20T19:48:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-11-20T17:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 20 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MastCell-2008-11-20T19:48:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-11-20T17:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MastCell-2008-11-20T19:48:00.000Z-MBisanz-2008-11-20T17:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Haines" data-mw-thread-id="h-Haines-2008-11-21T22:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Haines-2008-11-21T22:40:00.000Z"></span>Haines<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Haines-2008-11-21T22:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abtract-2008-11-21T22:40:00.000Z-Haines"></span>Two reverts in one day may need some action from you. See <a href="/wiki/Gender_of_God" title="Gender of God">Gender of God</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Abtract" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Abtract">Abtract</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abtract" title="User talk:Abtract">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Abtract-2008-11-21T22:40:00.000Z-Haines" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abtract-2008-11-21T22:40:00.000Z-Haines"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abtract-2008-11-21T22:40:00.000Z-Haines"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page-2008-11-16T05:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page-2008-11-16T05:11:00.000Z"></span>November Arb stuff - RFArb page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page-2008-11-16T05:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dt>Motion - Tobias case</dt></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-16T05:11:00.000Z-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page"></span>Would like to request that you vote (to oppose) so <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Motion_of_clarification_in_the_Tobias_Conradi_case" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration">this</a> may be archived sooner, before the RFArb page gets too much longer. I make this request given that the active current case (Kuban) has similar proposals - I expect they can be tweaked in such a way that it will eliminate the need for amending the Tobias case, while providing any necessary clarification. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-16T05:11:00.000Z-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 16 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-16T05:11:00.000Z-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-16T05:11:00.000Z-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page"></span> </p> <dl><dt>Motion - Bharatveer case</dt></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-16T05:30:00.000Z-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page"></span>Also requesting your votes <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Motion_to_amend_Bharatveer_case" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration">here</a>. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-16T05:30:00.000Z-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:30, 16 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-16T05:30:00.000Z-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-16T05:30:00.000Z-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page"></span> </p> <dl><dt>Motion - Jack Merridew ban review</dt></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-24T03:28:00.000Z-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page"></span>Requesting your votes on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Motion_to_lift_User:Jack_Merridew.27s_indefinite_block_and_editing_restrictions." class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration">this</a> also - the main motion needs just one more vote to pass. Cheers again, <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-24T03:28:00.000Z-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-24T03:28:00.000Z-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-24T03:28:00.000Z-November_Arb_stuff_-_RFArb_page"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Blog_Links" data-mw-thread-id="h-Blog_Links-2008-11-24T04:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Blog_Links-2008-11-24T04:48:00.000Z"></span>Blog Links<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Blog_Links-2008-11-24T04:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarindam7-2008-11-24T04:48:00.000Z-Blog_Links"></span>Didn't realize that. It was added to a few pages that completely lacked sources and so I added the links to others. Something is better than nothing. Well that's all over. No hard feelings.<a href="/wiki/User:Sarindam7" title="User:Sarindam7">sarindam7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarindam7" title="User talk:Sarindam7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Sarindam7-2008-11-24T04:48:00.000Z-Blog_Links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:48, 24 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarindam7-2008-11-24T04:48:00.000Z-Blog_Links"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarindam7-2008-11-24T04:48:00.000Z-Blog_Links"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-24T05:00:00.000Z-Sarindam7-2008-11-24T04:48:00.000Z"></span>No big deal. Nice website, by the way! --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-24T05:00:00.000Z-Sarindam7-2008-11-24T04:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:00, 24 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-24T05:00:00.000Z-Sarindam7-2008-11-24T04:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-24T05:00:00.000Z-Sarindam7-2008-11-24T04:48:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarindam7-2008-11-24T15:51:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-24T05:00:00.000Z"></span>Thanks<a href="/wiki/User:Sarindam7" title="User:Sarindam7">sarindam7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarindam7" title="User talk:Sarindam7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Sarindam7-2008-11-24T15:51:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-24T05:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarindam7-2008-11-24T15:51:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-24T05:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarindam7-2008-11-24T15:51:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-24T05:00:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Et_tu,_Brute?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Et_tu,_Brute?-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"><span id="Et_tu.2C_Brute.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Et_tu,_Brute?-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span><i>Et tu, Brute</i>?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Et_tu,_Brute?-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Restriction_on_arbitration_enforcement_activity" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z-Et_tu,_Brute?"></span>Really</a>? The arbcomm doesn't make policy. I'm disappointed that you're on board with nonsense like that. <a href="/wiki/User:Guettarda" title="User:Guettarda">Guettarda</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Guettarda" title="User talk:Guettarda">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z-Et_tu,_Brute?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z-Et_tu,_Brute?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z-Et_tu,_Brute?"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-25T17:40:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span>No, but if ArbCom makes a remedy, ArbCom can determine how the remedy is implemented. That's what's happening in this case; the policy allowing ArbCom to make remedies exists, and this is just a clarification on our expectation when we establish a remedy. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-25T17:40:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 25 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-25T17:40:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-25T17:40:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MastCell-2008-11-25T19:01:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-25T17:40:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, on the one hand I tend to agree that this is just a formal statement of existing best practices rather than new policy. Technically, <i>no</i> administrative decision should really be overturned without either the consent of the admin in question or, failing that, community support.<p>On practical grounds, I'm a bit concerned: decisions made at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AE">WP:AE</a> tend to involve extremely high levels of discretion and judgement, and to be inherently controversial. The <i>general</i> cluefulness of the admins who frequent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AE">WP:AE</a> is well above the norm, but good judgement is not universal there, and giving extra weight to the first admin to pull the trigger may discourage more creative and less button-focused approaches to problem-solving there. <b><a href="/wiki/User:MastCell" title="User:MastCell">MastCell</a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MastCell" title="User talk:MastCell">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-MastCell-2008-11-25T19:01:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-25T17:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MastCell-2008-11-25T19:01:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-25T17:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MastCell-2008-11-25T19:01:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-25T17:40:00.000Z"></span></p></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FloNight-2008-11-25T19:12:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span>We already planned to discuss AE with the Community. I see this motion as a statement of existing norms which may or may not need to be adjusted during a broader discussion about AE. <a href="/wiki/User:FloNight" title="User:FloNight">FloNight</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:FloNight" title="User talk:FloNight">♥♥♥</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-FloNight-2008-11-25T19:12:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FloNight-2008-11-25T19:12:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FloNight-2008-11-25T19:12:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T00:34:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span>Given that the issue in this case is the perception (whether right or wrong) that certain members of the ArbCom have it in for Giano, and therefore shouldn't be taking admin action against him, it's hard to see how strengthening the ArbCom's hand against him will help.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>I'd like to suggest again that the ArbCom set up a panel of uninvolved admins to enforce Giano's civility parole, and that only they be allowed to issue blocks under that provision. The admins chosen should have no prior involvement with Giano or IRC, and they should be people Giano has no objection to. <a href="/wiki/User:SlimVirgin" title="User:SlimVirgin"><span style="color:brown;">SlimVirgin</span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SlimVirgin" title="User talk:SlimVirgin"><span style="color:darkgreen;">talk|</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SlimVirgin" title="Special:Contributions/SlimVirgin"><span style="color:lightgreen;">edits</span></a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T00:34:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 26 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T00:34:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T00:34:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avruch-2008-11-26T00:42:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T00:34:00.000Z"></span>Why should Giano have a veto over who can take enforcement action against him? Whatever you think of the restrictions, that makes no sense. I also don't think it makes sense to tar all admins who have ever used IRC as too 'biased' to make a fair decision. The kneejerk "OMG NO YOU DIDN"T!!!!11!!" reaction that people have based on <i>who</i> took an action instead of the <i>action itself</i> is part of the problem, and slowing the act/react/act process down to allow for some thought and discussion makes sense. Viewing this as a war, with betrayals and sharply defined sides, is a mistake that too many people are making. If it hasn't already happened, eventually no one will be Switzerland (and, as we know, even Switzerland wasn't). <a href="/wiki/User:Avruch" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Avruch"><strong style="color:#000;border:0px solid #000">Avruch</strong></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Avruch" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Avruch"><sup><strong style="color:#000;border:0px solid #000"> T </strong></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Avruch-2008-11-26T00:42:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T00:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:42, 26 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avruch-2008-11-26T00:42:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T00:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avruch-2008-11-26T00:42:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T00:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T00:53:00.000Z-Avruch-2008-11-26T00:42:00.000Z"></span>If we set up a neutral body, we obviously have to make sure there's no one on it that either "side" would object to. I agree that it's sad that it's perceived in terms of "sides," but I've been on IRC, including in the admins channel, when Giano was discussed, and it wasn't a pleasant sight. The comments went far beyond what anyone could call reasonable criticism, and he's not the only editor who's been seriously trashed on there. Why should Giano or anyone else be expected to ignore this?</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Without a neutral body, you have IRC operators who've either engaged in, or done nothing to stop, the abuse, sitting on ArbCom and handing down civility paroles and other judgments; being the ones to enforce those judgments; and now, in addition, proposing a rule that no one be allowed to undo that enforcement without their consent.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>No matter what you think of individual ArbCom members, this is a power grab, pure and simple. If the community wants to hand the ArbCom that power, fine, but I don't think the ArbCom should be allowed to appropriate it for itself. <a href="/wiki/User:SlimVirgin" title="User:SlimVirgin"><span style="color:brown;">SlimVirgin</span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SlimVirgin" title="User talk:SlimVirgin"><span style="color:darkgreen;">talk|</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SlimVirgin" title="Special:Contributions/SlimVirgin"><span style="color:lightgreen;">edits</span></a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T00:53:00.000Z-Avruch-2008-11-26T00:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T00:53:00.000Z-Avruch-2008-11-26T00:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T00:53:00.000Z-Avruch-2008-11-26T00:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-26T01:05:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span>I'm sure there are better places to discuss this, considering that I think civility paroles are in themselves counterproductive and that all "any admin" civility paroles should be eliminated in favor of a more collaborative approach. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-26T01:05:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:05, 26 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-26T01:05:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-26T01:05:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T01:18:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span>I agree that the best thing would be to ditch the civility paroles altogether. The next best thing is to make sure they're enforced by people who have no dog in the fight. To imagine that IRC operators have no dog in this fight (and David and FT2 in particular as they've focused on Giano in the past), is to ignore that Giano has spent over two years campaigning against IRC misuse; that there have been ArbCom cases about it; and that all concerned, including David, were asked by ArbCom to respond to each other differently in future. And yet now ArbCom is willing to push all that aside, and pretend that blocks of Giano by David and FT2 can be regarded as neutral and uninvolved. In addition to that, the case is being used to strengthen ArbCom's hand even further. I hope that all editors of goodwill oppose it. <a href="/wiki/User:SlimVirgin" title="User:SlimVirgin"><span style="color:brown;">SlimVirgin</span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SlimVirgin" title="User talk:SlimVirgin"><span style="color:darkgreen;">talk|</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SlimVirgin" title="Special:Contributions/SlimVirgin"><span style="color:lightgreen;">edits</span></a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T01:18:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:18, 26 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T01:18:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T01:18:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-26T01:27:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T01:18:00.000Z"></span>I'm sure there are better places to discuss this. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-26T01:27:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T01:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:27, 26 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-26T01:27:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T01:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-26T01:27:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2008-11-26T01:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-26T03:51:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span>Just to note that I left you and/or other arbitrators a couple of questions <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Comments_by_uninvolved_Ncmvocalist" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration">here</a>. Given your vote on Nyb's motion (which did address one of them), I'm not sure you've seen them. <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-26T03:51:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:51, 26 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-26T03:51:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-11-26T03:51:00.000Z-Guettarda-2008-11-25T17:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="FT2_and_David_Gerard" data-mw-thread-id="h-FT2_and_David_Gerard-2008-11-27T18:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-FT2_and_David_Gerard-2008-11-27T18:46:00.000Z"></span>FT2 and David Gerard<span data-mw-comment-end="h-FT2_and_David_Gerard-2008-11-27T18:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Giano_II-2008-11-27T18:46:00.000Z-FT2_and_David_Gerard"></span>Now that the Arbcom has finished de-sysoping Slim Virgin (albeit very unpopularly <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Motion:_re_SlimVirgin&curid=20430708&diff=254453741&oldid=254452036">[11]</a>), it will doubtless want to show the same speedy diligence in other worrying matters. Could you outline the time scale and agenda for the investigation of David Gerard's suspected misuse of oversight rights in regard to the election of FT2 to the Arbitration committee. Obviously FT2 will need to be suspended from the Arbcom and its list during this investigation, can you give the community an approximated date for the conclusion of the investigation and the names of those carrying it out. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Giano_II" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Giano II">Giano</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giano_II" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Giano II">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Giano_II-2008-11-27T18:46:00.000Z-FT2_and_David_Gerard" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 27 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Giano_II-2008-11-27T18:46:00.000Z-FT2_and_David_Gerard"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Giano_II-2008-11-27T18:46:00.000Z-FT2_and_David_Gerard"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:19:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-27T18:46:00.000Z"></span>No. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:19:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-27T18:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 27 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:19:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-27T18:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:19:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-27T18:46:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:25:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:19:00.000Z"></span>Any reason or just not within your remit? <a href="/wiki/User:Giano_II" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Giano II">Giano</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giano_II" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Giano II">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:25:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:25:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:25:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:28:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:25:00.000Z"></span>No. Find someone else to annoy; I'm done with anything having to do with your sort of nonsense. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:28:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:28:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:28:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:29:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:19:00.000Z"></span>I'm afraid that many are not finding the Arbcom's antics nonsense, What a pity you fail to realise that. <a href="/wiki/User:Giano_II" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Giano II">Giano</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giano_II" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Giano II">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:29:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:29, 27 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:29:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:29:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:32:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:29:00.000Z"></span>Leave me alone. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:32:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:32:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:32:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:35:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:32:00.000Z"></span>My pleasure. <a href="/wiki/User:Giano_II" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Giano II">Giano</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giano_II" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Giano II">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:35:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 27 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:35:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Giano_II-2008-11-27T22:35:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-27T22:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Duk-2008-11-28T17:04:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-27T18:46:00.000Z"></span>You asked to be an arbitrator, Josh. Do your job.</dd></dl> <dl><dd><i>I'm done with anything having to do with your sort of nonsense.</i> Just out of curiosity, when your term is up will you also be done with the arbcom mailing list? I think that's half the problem; old arbs like David Gerard 'in the room' with his pack of little buddies, you know, the ones who hand out and (presumably) supervise tools like oversight. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Duk" title="User talk:Duk">Duk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Duk-2008-11-28T17:04:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-27T18:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 28 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Duk-2008-11-28T17:04:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-27T18:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Duk-2008-11-28T17:04:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-27T18:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T17:08:00.000Z-FT2_and_David_Gerard"></span>Josh, how do you put up with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BAIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BAIT">stuff like this</a>? I'd go bonkers. <a href="/wiki/User:Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Short Brigade Harvester Boris">Short Brigade Harvester Boris</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Short Brigade Harvester Boris">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T17:08:00.000Z-FT2_and_David_Gerard" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 28 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T17:08:00.000Z-FT2_and_David_Gerard"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T17:08:00.000Z-FT2_and_David_Gerard"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Duk-2008-11-28T17:17:00.000Z-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T17:08:00.000Z"></span>Asking the arbitration committee to be accountable is baiting? From your contribution history, SBHB, you seem to be a sock attempting to stir up trouble. Josh, I understand that the community gave you check user authority. Could you please run a check on <a href="/wiki/User:Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Short Brigade Harvester Boris">Short Brigade Harvester Boris</a>. Thankyou. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Duk" title="User talk:Duk">Duk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Duk-2008-11-28T17:17:00.000Z-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T17:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:17, 28 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Duk-2008-11-28T17:17:00.000Z-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T17:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Duk-2008-11-28T17:17:00.000Z-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T17:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFCU" class="mw-disambig" title="Wikipedia:RFCU"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-28T17:24:00.000Z-Duk-2008-11-28T17:17:00.000Z"></span>WP:RFCU</a> is over there; if you can justify a checkuser request, I'm sure someone will be happy to execute it for you. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2008" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACE2008">ArbComm elections</a> are over there; feel free to vote for whoever you support. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-28T17:24:00.000Z-Duk-2008-11-28T17:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 28 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-28T17:24:00.000Z-Duk-2008-11-28T17:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-28T17:24:00.000Z-Duk-2008-11-28T17:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Duk-2008-11-28T18:03:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-28T17:24:00.000Z"></span>Actually, Josh, the vast majority of CU's are by private request, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFCU" class="mw-disambig" title="Wikipedia:RFCU">WP:RFCU</a> is staffed by a couple of generous souls for 'charity purposes', this according to David Gerard (the diff isn't worth digging up). So tell me, Josh, were you given the CU power by the community to serve the community, or do you now reserve it for your own little circle of friends? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Duk" title="User talk:Duk">Duk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Duk-2008-11-28T18:03:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-28T17:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:03, 28 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Duk-2008-11-28T18:03:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-28T17:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Duk-2008-11-28T18:03:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-28T17:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T18:15:00.000Z-Duk-2008-11-28T18:03:00.000Z"></span>Let me save you some trouble, Duk. I was formerly known as <a href="/wiki/User:Raymond_arritt" title="User:Raymond arritt">User:Raymond arritt</a>, about which there is no secret whatsoever. <a href="/wiki/User:Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Short Brigade Harvester Boris">Short Brigade Harvester Boris</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Short Brigade Harvester Boris">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T18:15:00.000Z-Duk-2008-11-28T18:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 28 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T18:15:00.000Z-Duk-2008-11-28T18:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T18:15:00.000Z-Duk-2008-11-28T18:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Duk-2008-11-28T18:23:00.000Z-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T18:15:00.000Z"></span>So how is asking arbcom members for accountability of our most sensitive tools <i>baiting</i>. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Duk" title="User talk:Duk">Duk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Duk-2008-11-28T18:23:00.000Z-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T18:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 28 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Duk-2008-11-28T18:23:00.000Z-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T18:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Duk-2008-11-28T18:23:00.000Z-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T18:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jehochman-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T17:08:00.000Z"></span>I know exactly who <a href="/wiki/User:Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Short Brigade Harvester Boris">User:Short Brigade Harvester Boris</a> is. Please don't encourage any more unnecessary checkusering. If you think the account is causing problems, talk to me first. <a href="/wiki/User:Jehochman" title="User:Jehochman">Jehochman</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jehochman" title="User talk:Jehochman">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jehochman-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T17:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 28 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jehochman-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T17:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jehochman-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z-Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris-2008-11-28T17:08:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:08:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z"></span>I just fine JPGordon to be very incivil and rude, good job I don't have such sensitive obsessions as some on that subject, can you imagine JPGordon with a huge target painted on top of his stetson? Actually I would rather not. <a href="/wiki/User:Giano_II" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Giano II">Giano</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giano_II" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Giano II">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:08:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 28 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:08:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:08:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jehochman-2008-11-28T19:10:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:08:00.000Z"></span>I say we settle this with a game of pot limit <a href="/wiki/Omaha_hold_%27em" title="Omaha hold 'em">Omaha/8</a>. Who's in? <a href="/wiki/User:Jehochman" title="User:Jehochman">Jehochman</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jehochman" title="User talk:Jehochman">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jehochman-2008-11-28T19:10:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 28 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jehochman-2008-11-28T19:10:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jehochman-2008-11-28T19:10:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:15:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-11-28T19:10:00.000Z"></span>I only play one game, and with the hand I'm holding I would happily open 4 no trumps. Your bid JP. <a href="/wiki/User:Giano_II" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Giano II">Giano</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giano_II" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Giano II">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:15:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-11-28T19:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 28 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:15:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-11-28T19:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:15:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-11-28T19:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-28T19:23:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:15:00.000Z"></span>Interesting game. The only winning move is not to play. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-28T19:23:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 28 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-28T19:23:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-28T19:23:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:26:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-28T19:23:00.000Z"></span>Just so long as you know what "4 no trumps" means JP, I don't anticipate any future problems. <a href="/wiki/User:Giano_II" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Giano II">Giano</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giano_II" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Giano II">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:26:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-28T19:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 28 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:26:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-28T19:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:26:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-28T19:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-29T01:51:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:26:00.000Z"></span>Well, I assume you're sitting as my opponent, in which case it doesn't much matter -- if you can open 4NT, unless I have a pretty remarkable hand, you've shut me out of any bidding anyway. But I'm far more of a poker player than a bridge player anyway -- low limit live play and no-limit tournaments, mostly. Never tried pot limit Omaha/8 -- I'm not even sure it gets spread anywhere in Vegas, where I mostly play. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-29T01:51:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-29T01:51:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-29T01:51:00.000Z-Giano_II-2008-11-28T19:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jehochman-2008-11-29T01:56:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-29T01:51:00.000Z"></span>I am going to play with my friends in about 5 minutes. Believe it or not, I have become a rather good poker player by reading our articles on poker strategy. <a href="/wiki/User:Jehochman" title="User:Jehochman">Jehochman</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jehochman" title="User talk:Jehochman">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jehochman-2008-11-29T01:56:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-29T01:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 29 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jehochman-2008-11-29T01:56:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-29T01:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jehochman-2008-11-29T01:56:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-11-29T01:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-29T02:30:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-11-29T01:56:00.000Z"></span>I was quite amused to see your comment; I was just on my way to my weekly poker tournament (won last week, totally ate it today) when I read it. Used to play Omaha/8 tournaments on Friday, but about a year ago, the casino I play at cancelled all but two of their weekly Omaha tournaments in favor of more no-limit Texas hold'em. I find Omaha/8 a lot easier than Texas; the secret for Omaha is that most people are looking for an excuse to stay in, so you can do real well simply by superior starting hand selection. That alone usually would get me 3/4 of the way through an Omaha tournament. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-29T02:30:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-11-29T01:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 29 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-29T02:30:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-11-29T01:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-29T02:30:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-11-29T01:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Holocaust_Talk_Page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Holocaust_Talk_Page-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Holocaust_Talk_Page-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z"></span>Holocaust Talk Page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Holocaust_Talk_Page-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woogie10w-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z-Holocaust_Talk_Page"></span>There was a recent post on the Holocaust talk page regarding the disposal of human remains during the Holocaust. I suspect that the user who posted this is trying to spin the discussion into Holocaust denial. I could give a factual answer the query, I could ignore the post or delete it because it is an item in the bag of tricks used by Holocaust deniers. What do you suggest?--<a href="/wiki/User:Woogie10w" title="User:Woogie10w">Woogie10w</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woogie10w" title="User talk:Woogie10w">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Woogie10w-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z-Holocaust_Talk_Page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 28 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woogie10w-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z-Holocaust_Talk_Page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woogie10w-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z-Holocaust_Talk_Page"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-29T02:31:00.000Z-Woogie10w-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z"></span>Ignore. It gets you too pissed off. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-11-29T02:31:00.000Z-Woogie10w-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 29 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-29T02:31:00.000Z-Woogie10w-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-11-29T02:31:00.000Z-Woogie10w-2008-11-28T18:31:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="OrangeMarlin_AN/I_posting" data-mw-thread-id="h-OrangeMarlin_AN/I_posting-2008-11-29T13:12:00.000Z"><span id="OrangeMarlin_AN.2FI_posting"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-OrangeMarlin_AN/I_posting-2008-11-29T13:12:00.000Z"></span>OrangeMarlin AN/I posting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-OrangeMarlin_AN/I_posting-2008-11-29T13:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WLU-2008-11-29T13:12:00.000Z-OrangeMarlin_AN/I_posting"></span>Hi Jpgordon, </p><p>Were you aware of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Looie496" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">this</a> ANI posting involving OrangeMarlin, who I believe you are still mentoring? It's rather...intense. Or perhaps my experience with wikidrama is rather tepid. <a href="/wiki/User:WLU" title="User:WLU">WLU</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:WLU" title="User talk:WLU">(t)</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/WLU" title="Special:Contributions/WLU">(c)</a></small> <sup><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POL"><span style="color:#FFA500">(rules</span></a> - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SR"><span style="color:#66023C">simple rules)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-WLU-2008-11-29T13:12:00.000Z-OrangeMarlin_AN/I_posting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:12, 29 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WLU-2008-11-29T13:12:00.000Z-OrangeMarlin_AN/I_posting"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WLU-2008-11-29T13:12:00.000Z-OrangeMarlin_AN/I_posting"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Moronicbajebus" data-mw-thread-id="h-Moronicbajebus-2008-12-02T15:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Moronicbajebus-2008-12-02T15:38:00.000Z"></span>Moronicbajebus<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Moronicbajebus-2008-12-02T15:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daniel_Case-2008-12-02T15:38:00.000Z-Moronicbajebus"></span>Re <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Moronicbajebus&diff=255376761&oldid=255360158">this edit</a>. I was not the blocking admin ... that was <a href="/wiki/User:Gwen_Gale" title="User:Gwen Gale">Gwen Gale</a>. Take it up with her. <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Case" title="User:Daniel Case">Daniel Case</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Case" title="User talk:Daniel Case">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Daniel_Case-2008-12-02T15:38:00.000Z-Moronicbajebus" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daniel_Case-2008-12-02T15:38:00.000Z-Moronicbajebus"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daniel_Case-2008-12-02T15:38:00.000Z-Moronicbajebus"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Talk_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Talk_pages-2008-12-02T15:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Talk_pages-2008-12-02T15:55:00.000Z"></span>Talk pages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Talk_pages-2008-12-02T15:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-02T15:55:00.000Z-Talk_pages"></span>Jpgordon, in your opinion is it allowed to delete material from talk page edits that are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOAP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOAP">WP:SOAP</a>, or that is just chat not connected to discussion -- particularly when apparently used to bury other discussion under a mass of pointless edits. I am referring particularly to this <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Anti-Zionism&diff=254635765&oldid=254594731">[12]</a> (pretty much the entire content of the diff, not just the change), which I removed as harmful to the discussion in progress. In the ensuing argument, an administrator supported returning the material to the article, while not supplying any reason why it should not be returned to the talk page, beyond that doing so is upsetting the sensitive users who's chat got removed. At this time that content is back in the article. I have been trying to find the current WP guidelines on talk page chat, but can not find that. Thanks. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Malcolm_Schosha&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Malcolm Schosha (page does not exist)">Malcolm Schosha</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Malcolm_Schosha&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Malcolm Schosha (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-02T15:55:00.000Z-Talk_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-02T15:55:00.000Z-Talk_pages"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-02T15:55:00.000Z-Talk_pages"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-02T16:20:00.000Z-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-02T15:55:00.000Z"></span>I'm not sure whether it's <i>allowed</i>. However, it really pisses people off, and usually causes a lot more hassle than just ignoring the garbage might. I usually suggest people not do it unless it's vandalism or deliberate disruption. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-02T16:20:00.000Z-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-02T15:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-02T16:20:00.000Z-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-02T15:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-02T16:20:00.000Z-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-02T15:55:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-02T16:34:00.000Z-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-02T15:55:00.000Z"></span>Ok. Thanks. (At least I know another way to piss people off now:) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Malcolm_Schosha&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Malcolm Schosha (page does not exist)">Malcolm Schosha</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Malcolm_Schosha&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Malcolm Schosha (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-02T16:34:00.000Z-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-02T15:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-02T16:34:00.000Z-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-02T15:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-02T16:34:00.000Z-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-02T15:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-03T23:05:00.000Z-Talk_pages"></span> I have gotten this warning from Gwen Gale <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Malcolm_Schosha&diff=prev&oldid=255726553">[13]</a>. If there is no rule, as you say, what is she going to block me <i>for</i>? Any how I did not remove a single word, as can be seen here <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)&diff=255675341&oldid=255674825">[14]</a>. The only difference is that I removed a separate heading, but kept the wording even for that. It was bizarre for PalestineRemembered to put a lengthy personal attack on Village pump (policy). My reply to him is at the bottom of the diff, and there is nothing in what I said that is uncivil.. I feel that Gwen Gale has developed a personal dislike for me, and I find it strange that she is threatening me, while PalestineRemembered's violation of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks" title="Wikipedia:No personal attacks">WP:no personal attacks</a> is ignored. If this is something you can not get involved in, would AN/I be a proper place to discuss it? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Malcolm_Schosha&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Malcolm Schosha (page does not exist)">Malcolm Schosha</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Malcolm_Schosha&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Malcolm Schosha (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-03T23:05:00.000Z-Talk_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-03T23:05:00.000Z-Talk_pages"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-03T23:05:00.000Z-Talk_pages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-04T00:45:00.000Z-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-03T23:05:00.000Z"></span>I didn't say there was no rule; I said I didn't know. I was right about it really pissing people off, though! Talk page refactoring might seem a good idea at the time, but except for routine cleanup, it's not a good idea if you're at all involved in the discussion. Take the warning in good faith -- Gwen's correct in principle. Her reaction to PR is irrelevant to the propriety of your refactoring. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-04T00:45:00.000Z-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-03T23:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-04T00:45:00.000Z-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-03T23:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-04T00:45:00.000Z-Malcolm_Schosha-2008-12-03T23:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="no_need_for_bitchy_edit" data-mw-thread-id="h-no_need_for_bitchy_edit-2008-12-03T18:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-no_need_for_bitchy_edit-2008-12-03T18:49:00.000Z"></span>no need for bitchy edit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-no_need_for_bitchy_edit-2008-12-03T18:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ledenierhomme-2008-12-03T18:49:00.000Z-no_need_for_bitchy_edit"></span>Glad that you corrected your mistake however (<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Red_Army_Faction&oldid=253813320">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Red_Army_Faction&oldid=253813320</a>). I assume you're not properly educated in this field, so I suggest you start here: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism</a> and in the future discuss politically controversial edits. - <a href="/wiki/User:Ledenierhomme" title="User:Ledenierhomme">Ledenierhomme</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ledenierhomme" title="User talk:Ledenierhomme">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ledenierhomme-2008-12-03T18:49:00.000Z-no_need_for_bitchy_edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ledenierhomme-2008-12-03T18:49:00.000Z-no_need_for_bitchy_edit"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ledenierhomme-2008-12-03T18:49:00.000Z-no_need_for_bitchy_edit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MastCell-2008-12-03T19:03:00.000Z-Ledenierhomme-2008-12-03T18:49:00.000Z"></span>Wow. The tone of that post is almost... what's the adjective I'm looking for? I've seen it in this thread somewhere, near the top... <b><a href="/wiki/User:MastCell" title="User:MastCell">MastCell</a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MastCell" title="User talk:MastCell">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-MastCell-2008-12-03T19:03:00.000Z-Ledenierhomme-2008-12-03T18:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 3 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MastCell-2008-12-03T19:03:00.000Z-Ledenierhomme-2008-12-03T18:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MastCell-2008-12-03T19:03:00.000Z-Ledenierhomme-2008-12-03T18:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jehochman-2008-12-05T17:54:00.000Z-MastCell-2008-12-03T19:03:00.000Z"></span>Bombastic? <a href="/wiki/User:Jehochman" title="User:Jehochman">Jehochman</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jehochman" title="User talk:Jehochman">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jehochman-2008-12-05T17:54:00.000Z-MastCell-2008-12-03T19:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 5 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jehochman-2008-12-05T17:54:00.000Z-MastCell-2008-12-03T19:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jehochman-2008-12-05T17:54:00.000Z-MastCell-2008-12-03T19:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-12-05T18:16:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-12-05T17:54:00.000Z"></span>Blathering? Of course, I was amused that someone points jpgordon to the antisemitism article. <a href="/wiki/User:Orangemarlin" title="User:Orangemarlin"><span style="color:orange;"><b>Orange</b></span><span style="color:teal;"><b>Marlin</b></span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin" title="User talk:Orangemarlin">Talk•</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin" title="Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin">Contributions</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Orangemarlin-2008-12-05T18:16:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-12-05T17:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orangemarlin-2008-12-05T18:16:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-12-05T17:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orangemarlin-2008-12-05T18:16:00.000Z-Jehochman-2008-12-05T17:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thanks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thanks-2008-12-05T16:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thanks-2008-12-05T16:17:00.000Z"></span>Thanks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thanks-2008-12-05T16:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Natsubee-2008-12-05T16:17:00.000Z-Thanks"></span>Thanks for lifting the block but why was it done in the first place?--<a href="/wiki/User:Natsubee" title="User:Natsubee">Natsubee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Natsubee" title="User talk:Natsubee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Natsubee-2008-12-05T16:17:00.000Z-Thanks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Natsubee-2008-12-05T16:17:00.000Z-Thanks"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Natsubee-2008-12-05T16:17:00.000Z-Thanks"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-05T16:19:00.000Z-Natsubee-2008-12-05T16:17:00.000Z"></span>Didn't have anything to do with you; it was an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Autoblock" title="Wikipedia:Autoblock">autoblock</a> as a result of a vandal who shares your IP. (There sure are a lot of users going through that IP!) --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-05T16:19:00.000Z-Natsubee-2008-12-05T16:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 5 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-05T16:19:00.000Z-Natsubee-2008-12-05T16:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-05T16:19:00.000Z-Natsubee-2008-12-05T16:17:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="user_Malik_Shabazz_brroke_WP:3RR" data-mw-thread-id="h-user_Malik_Shabazz_brroke_WP:3RR-2008-12-07T20:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-user_Malik_Shabazz_brroke_WP:3RR-2008-12-07T20:35:00.000Z"></span>user <a href="/wiki/Malik_Shabazz" class="mw-redirect" title="Malik Shabazz">Malik Shabazz</a> brroke <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:3RR">WP:3RR</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-user_Malik_Shabazz_brroke_WP:3RR-2008-12-07T20:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gush_Shalom&action=history"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T20:35:00.000Z-user_Malik_Shabazz_brroke_WP:3RR"></span>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gush_Shalom&action=history</a> </p><p>It was its thread time during 24 hours.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Oren.tal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Oren.tal (page does not exist)">Oren.tal</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Oren.tal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Oren.tal (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T20:35:00.000Z-user_Malik_Shabazz_brroke_WP:3RR" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 7 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T20:35:00.000Z-user_Malik_Shabazz_brroke_WP:3RR"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T20:35:00.000Z-user_Malik_Shabazz_brroke_WP:3RR"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Malik_Shabazz-2008-12-07T20:43:00.000Z-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T20:35:00.000Z"></span>There has been no 3RR violation. I made three reverts and so did Oren. I'm sorry that he bothered you with this. — <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Malik_Shabazz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Malik Shabazz (page does not exist)">Malik Shabazz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Malik_Shabazz" title="User talk:Malik Shabazz">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Malik_Shabazz" title="Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Malik_Shabazz-2008-12-07T20:43:00.000Z-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T20:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:43, 7 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Malik_Shabazz-2008-12-07T20:43:00.000Z-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T20:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Malik_Shabazz-2008-12-07T20:43:00.000Z-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T20:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T20:45:00.000Z-Malik_Shabazz-2008-12-07T20:43:00.000Z"></span>I am sorry but I have not violated that law.<a href="/wiki/Malik_Shabazz" class="mw-redirect" title="Malik Shabazz">Malik Shabazz</a> had violated that law so I reverted his edit.You can take a look in history to see this.I have also mention to him that he should not violate this law in his talk page.You can see this as well.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Oren.tal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Oren.tal (page does not exist)">Oren.tal</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Oren.tal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Oren.tal (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T20:45:00.000Z-Malik_Shabazz-2008-12-07T20:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 7 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T20:45:00.000Z-Malik_Shabazz-2008-12-07T20:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T20:45:00.000Z-Malik_Shabazz-2008-12-07T20:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-William_M._Connolley-2008-12-07T21:23:00.000Z-user_Malik_Shabazz_brroke_WP:3RR"></span>Not sure why this is here; <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN3" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN3">WP:AN3</a> exists (I only saw this by co-incidence). No-one has technically broken 3RR; both users have 3R <a href="/wiki/User:William_M._Connolley" title="User:William M. Connolley">William M. Connolley</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:William_M._Connolley" title="User talk:William M. Connolley">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-William_M._Connolley-2008-12-07T21:23:00.000Z-user_Malik_Shabazz_brroke_WP:3RR" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:23, 7 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-William_M._Connolley-2008-12-07T21:23:00.000Z-user_Malik_Shabazz_brroke_WP:3RR"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-William_M._Connolley-2008-12-07T21:23:00.000Z-user_Malik_Shabazz_brroke_WP:3RR"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:48:00.000Z-William_M._Connolley-2008-12-07T21:23:00.000Z"></span>Yes but he has first.I have only reverted his 3RR.Maybe it was still wrong but he indeed violated this.I have reverted it only because he violated and he should not have done it.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Oren.tal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Oren.tal (page does not exist)">Oren.tal</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Oren.tal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Oren.tal (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:48:00.000Z-William_M._Connolley-2008-12-07T21:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 7 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:48:00.000Z-William_M._Connolley-2008-12-07T21:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:48:00.000Z-William_M._Connolley-2008-12-07T21:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-07T21:51:00.000Z-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:48:00.000Z"></span>And you are bothering me about this -- why? <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN3" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN3">WP:AN3</a>, please. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-07T21:51:00.000Z-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 7 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-07T21:51:00.000Z-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-07T21:51:00.000Z-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:55:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-07T21:51:00.000Z"></span>because when I broke the law you gave me warning.You should give him as well.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Oren.tal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Oren.tal (page does not exist)">Oren.tal</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Oren.tal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Oren.tal (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:55:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-07T21:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 7 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:55:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-07T21:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:55:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-07T21:51:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:57:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-07T21:51:00.000Z"></span>Second thing he always ignore what I write for him in the discussion and just revert.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Oren.tal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Oren.tal (page does not exist)">Oren.tal</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Oren.tal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Oren.tal (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:57:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-07T21:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 7 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:57:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-07T21:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:57:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-07T21:51:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:57:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-07T21:51:00.000Z-1"></span>Anyway I didn't know about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN3" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN3">WP:AN3</a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Oren.tal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Oren.tal (page does not exist)">Oren.tal</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Oren.tal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Oren.tal (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:57:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-07T21:51:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 7 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:57:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-07T21:51:00.000Z-1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oren.tal-2008-12-07T21:57:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-07T21:51:00.000Z-1"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Arbcom_ignoring_myself" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arbcom_ignoring_myself-2008-12-09T17:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arbcom_ignoring_myself-2008-12-09T17:44:00.000Z"></span>Arbcom ignoring myself<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arbcom_ignoring_myself-2008-12-09T17:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Russavia-2008-12-09T17:44:00.000Z-Arbcom_ignoring_myself"></span>On 17 September I sent an email to Arbcom, which can be viewed in its entireity <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Russavia/Archive_5#Copy_of_email_sent_to_ARBCOM_in_relation_to_sockpuppet_debacle" title="User talk:Russavia/Archive 5">here</a>. I have repeatedly asked for a response from Arbcom, and I have yet to reply a single response in regards to the botched checkuser performed by an Arbcom member, which resulted in me having to out myself in order to show said Arbcom member that they had made a monumental mistake. All throughout the checkuser, I was treated in what I believe was an uncivil manner, particularly as an assumption of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">WP:AGF</a> was never made. And I stated at the time that a simple apology would not cut it. As I stated above, I have repeatedly asked Arbcom for a response, with emails being sent to the Arbcom list on 21 September, 20 October and on 4 December. To date, I am yet to receive a response from Arbcom, except an email 5 days ago which stated that I would be gotten back to within a week. Given that Arbcom is absolutely aware of my case, as I brought it up at the Kuban_kazak Arbcom, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Kuban_kazak/Evidence#Evidence_timetable" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Kuban kazak/Evidence">here</a>, and given that Arbcom does not have the common decency to even acknowledge it, one can't help but feel that I am being completely ignored. If I haven't received a response from the Arbcom by the end of the week, I will be opening a case in full view for all of the community to see, because as far as I am concerned, Arbcom members are not above the same standards that us mere mortals are held to. --<a href="/wiki/User:Russavia" title="User:Russavia">Russavia</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Russavia" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Russavia">Dialogue</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Russavia" title="Special:Contributions/Russavia">Stalk me</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Russavia-2008-12-09T17:44:00.000Z-Arbcom_ignoring_myself" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Russavia-2008-12-09T17:44:00.000Z-Arbcom_ignoring_myself"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Russavia-2008-12-09T17:44:00.000Z-Arbcom_ignoring_myself"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Facilitate_a_move_of_an_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Facilitate_a_move_of_an_article-2008-12-11T02:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Facilitate_a_move_of_an_article-2008-12-11T02:54:00.000Z"></span>Facilitate a move of an article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Facilitate_a_move_of_an_article-2008-12-11T02:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drboisclair-2008-12-11T02:54:00.000Z-Facilitate_a_move_of_an_article"></span>Some time ago I made a mistake of moving <a href="/wiki/The_Golem:_It!" class="mw-redirect" title="The Golem: It!">The Golem: It!</a> from what it really should be <a href="/wiki/It!_(1966_film)" class="mw-redirect" title="It! (1966 film)">It! (1966 film)</a>. Could you possibly move it back to <i>It!</i> (1966 film)? I'm sorry that I made this mistake. With the DVD coming out it might be nice to have it accurately presented in Wikipedia. With kindest regards for you and yours during the holidays. David--<a href="/wiki/User:Drboisclair" title="User:Drboisclair">Drboisclair</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drboisclair" title="User talk:Drboisclair">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Drboisclair-2008-12-11T02:54:00.000Z-Facilitate_a_move_of_an_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:54, 11 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drboisclair-2008-12-11T02:54:00.000Z-Facilitate_a_move_of_an_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drboisclair-2008-12-11T02:54:00.000Z-Facilitate_a_move_of_an_article"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-11T03:57:00.000Z-Drboisclair-2008-12-11T02:54:00.000Z"></span>Done! You might want to check redirects. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-11T03:57:00.000Z-Drboisclair-2008-12-11T02:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-11T03:57:00.000Z-Drboisclair-2008-12-11T02:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-11T03:57:00.000Z-Drboisclair-2008-12-11T02:54:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drboisclair-2008-12-11T18:08:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-11T03:57:00.000Z"></span>As always, "smooth as a gravy sandwich," as Paul Hogan would say! Thanks!--<a href="/wiki/User:Drboisclair" title="User:Drboisclair">Drboisclair</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drboisclair" title="User talk:Drboisclair">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Drboisclair-2008-12-11T18:08:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-11T03:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 11 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drboisclair-2008-12-11T18:08:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-11T03:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drboisclair-2008-12-11T18:08:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-11T03:57:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_question_in_an_edit_summary" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_question_in_an_edit_summary-2008-12-11T12:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_question_in_an_edit_summary-2008-12-11T12:13:00.000Z"></span>Your question in an edit summary<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_question_in_an_edit_summary-2008-12-11T12:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Berean_Hunter-2008-12-11T12:13:00.000Z-Your_question_in_an_edit_summary"></span>Hi JP, FWIW, the answer to your question <a class="external text" href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Hello_Muddah,_Hello_Fadduh&curid=1379058&diff=257164263&oldid=256181509">here</a>, is that someone had attempted <a class="external text" href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Lynyrd_Skynyrd&diff=251183078&oldid=251035958">this edit</a> repeatedly. Hopefully, the refnote has served its purpose and will keep it from starting up again without having to re-add it. Cheers,<br/><a href="/wiki/User:Berean_Hunter" title="User:Berean Hunter"><span style="font-family:High Tower Text; font-size:medium;"><b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Berean_Hunter" title="User talk:Berean Hunter"><b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Berean_Hunter-2008-12-11T12:13:00.000Z-Your_question_in_an_edit_summary" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Berean_Hunter-2008-12-11T12:13:00.000Z-Your_question_in_an_edit_summary"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Berean_Hunter-2008-12-11T12:13:00.000Z-Your_question_in_an_edit_summary"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-11T17:38:00.000Z-Berean_Hunter-2008-12-11T12:13:00.000Z"></span>Ah! Makes sense now. Twittish world sometimes. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-11T17:38:00.000Z-Berean_Hunter-2008-12-11T12:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-11T17:38:00.000Z-Berean_Hunter-2008-12-11T12:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-11T17:38:00.000Z-Berean_Hunter-2008-12-11T12:13:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Vuerqex" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vuerqex-2008-12-11T14:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vuerqex-2008-12-11T14:51:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/User:Vuerqex" title="User:Vuerqex">Vuerqex</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vuerqex-2008-12-11T14:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vuerqex-2008-12-11T14:51:00.000Z-Vuerqex"></span>I am honored that a former trumpet player for Oingo Boingo actually told me to work something out on a talk page. Wow! <a href="/wiki/User:Vuerqex" title="User:Vuerqex">Vuerqex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vuerqex" title="User talk:Vuerqex">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Vuerqex-2008-12-11T14:51:00.000Z-Vuerqex" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 11 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vuerqex-2008-12-11T14:51:00.000Z-Vuerqex"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vuerqex-2008-12-11T14:51:00.000Z-Vuerqex"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-11T17:39:00.000Z-Vuerqex-2008-12-11T14:51:00.000Z"></span>Specifically, the Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo. (I just like the opportunity to type out that wondrous phrase.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-11T17:39:00.000Z-Vuerqex-2008-12-11T14:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 11 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-11T17:39:00.000Z-Vuerqex-2008-12-11T14:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-11T17:39:00.000Z-Vuerqex-2008-12-11T14:51:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Possible_typo_on_Checkuser_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Possible_typo_on_Checkuser_page-2008-12-12T02:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Possible_typo_on_Checkuser_page-2008-12-12T02:58:00.000Z"></span>Possible typo on Checkuser page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Possible_typo_on_Checkuser_page-2008-12-12T02:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spidern-2008-12-12T02:58:00.000Z-Possible_typo_on_Checkuser_page"></span>On the recent fulfillment of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/COFS" title="Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/COFS">this checkuser case</a>, you named a <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Schrampes&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Schrampes (page does not exist)">User:Schrampes</a> which doesn't seem to exist. I am assuming you mean <a href="/wiki/User:Shrampes" title="User:Shrampes">User:Shrampes</a>? Also, the ISP that you mentioned (sdfreen.net) doesn't seem to resolve. Is that the correct name of the ISP? <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spidern" title="User talk:Spidern"><span style="color:darkred;">←</span></a><a href="/wiki/User:Spidern" title="User:Spidern"><span style="color:green;">Spidern</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Spidern" title="Special:Contributions/Spidern"><span style="color:darkblue;">→</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Spidern-2008-12-12T02:58:00.000Z-Possible_typo_on_Checkuser_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spidern-2008-12-12T02:58:00.000Z-Possible_typo_on_Checkuser_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spidern-2008-12-12T02:58:00.000Z-Possible_typo_on_Checkuser_page"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-12T05:28:00.000Z-Spidern-2008-12-12T02:58:00.000Z"></span>Typos, of course. sdfree.net. And of course Shrampes. I like Sch, I guess. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-12T05:28:00.000Z-Spidern-2008-12-12T02:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:28, 12 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-12T05:28:00.000Z-Spidern-2008-12-12T02:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-12T05:28:00.000Z-Spidern-2008-12-12T02:58:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cirt-2008-12-12T07:33:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-12T05:28:00.000Z"></span>I corrected the typo Schrampes on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/COFS" title="Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/COFS">checkuser case page</a> to Shrampes. I hope that was okay? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Cirt" title="User:Cirt">Cirt</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cirt" title="User talk:Cirt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Cirt-2008-12-12T07:33:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-12T05:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:33, 12 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cirt-2008-12-12T07:33:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-12T05:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cirt-2008-12-12T07:33:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-12T05:28:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-12T14:48:00.000Z-Cirt-2008-12-12T07:33:00.000Z"></span>Yup. Minor obvious typos are always fair game. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-12T14:48:00.000Z-Cirt-2008-12-12T07:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 12 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-12T14:48:00.000Z-Cirt-2008-12-12T07:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-12T14:48:00.000Z-Cirt-2008-12-12T07:33:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cirt-2008-12-12T16:32:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-12T14:48:00.000Z"></span>Okay, thank you! :) <b><a href="/wiki/User:Cirt" title="User:Cirt">Cirt</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cirt" title="User talk:Cirt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Cirt-2008-12-12T16:32:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-12T14:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 12 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cirt-2008-12-12T16:32:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-12T14:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cirt-2008-12-12T16:32:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-12T14:48:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Holocaust_Article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Holocaust_Article-2008-12-14T02:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Holocaust_Article-2008-12-14T02:49:00.000Z"></span>Holocaust Article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Holocaust_Article-2008-12-14T02:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woogie10w-2008-12-14T02:49:00.000Z-Holocaust_Article"></span>Has been vandalized, I cant revert or fix--<a href="/wiki/User:Woogie10w" title="User:Woogie10w">Woogie10w</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woogie10w" title="User talk:Woogie10w">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Woogie10w-2008-12-14T02:49:00.000Z-Holocaust_Article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 14 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woogie10w-2008-12-14T02:49:00.000Z-Holocaust_Article"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woogie10w-2008-12-14T02:49:00.000Z-Holocaust_Article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-14T04:02:00.000Z-Woogie10w-2008-12-14T02:49:00.000Z"></span>Don't see what you mean. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-14T04:02:00.000Z-Woogie10w-2008-12-14T02:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-14T04:02:00.000Z-Woogie10w-2008-12-14T02:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-14T04:02:00.000Z-Woogie10w-2008-12-14T02:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_talk:Danelkayam" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_talk:Danelkayam-2008-12-14T04:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_talk:Danelkayam-2008-12-14T04:06:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danelkayam" title="User talk:Danelkayam">User talk:Danelkayam</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_talk:Danelkayam-2008-12-14T04:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Danelkayam" title="User:Danelkayam"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jayron32-2008-12-14T04:06:00.000Z-User_talk:Danelkayam"></span>Danelkayam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danelkayam" title="User talk:Danelkayam">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Danelkayam" title="Special:Contributions/Danelkayam">contribs</a>).</li></ul> <p>Back in September, you blocked this person as a sock of <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shevashalosh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shevashalosh (page does not exist)">Shevashalosh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shevashalosh" title="User talk:Shevashalosh">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Shevashalosh" title="Special:Contributions/Shevashalosh">contribs</a>) and he's back today, claiming innocence, and that the block was likely due to the fact that he shares his IP with many other students. I don't see an obvious behavioral pattern between the two, but I am sure you have additional evidence I am just not seeing. Could you respond on that user's talk page with more information so that I or someone else may respond intelligently to his unblock request. Thanks! --<a href="/wiki/User:Jayron32" title="User:Jayron32">Jayron32</a>.<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jayron32" title="User talk:Jayron32"><small>talk</small></a>.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jayron32" title="Special:Contributions/Jayron32"><small>contribs</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jayron32-2008-12-14T04:06:00.000Z-User_talk:Danelkayam" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jayron32-2008-12-14T04:06:00.000Z-User_talk:Danelkayam"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jayron32-2008-12-14T04:06:00.000Z-User_talk:Danelkayam"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-15T02:54:00.000Z-Jayron32-2008-12-14T04:06:00.000Z"></span>And thanks back! --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-15T02:54:00.000Z-Jayron32-2008-12-14T04:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-15T02:54:00.000Z-Jayron32-2008-12-14T04:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-15T02:54:00.000Z-Jayron32-2008-12-14T04:06:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removing_edit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removing_edit-2008-12-14T20:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removing_edit-2008-12-14T20:02:00.000Z"></span>Removing edit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removing_edit-2008-12-14T20:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-128.186.98.150-2008-12-14T20:02:00.000Z-Removing_edit"></span>Why would you remove the material I added..."In fact, the risk of this activity is nearly zero (see <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.thebody.com/">http://www.thebody.com/</a> for reputable sources)" ? The previous sentence needed a citation anyway and this information is more accurate. It is obvious that this article needs some work. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/128.186.98.150" title="Special:Contributions/128.186.98.150">128.186.98.150</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:128.186.98.150&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:128.186.98.150 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-128.186.98.150-2008-12-14T20:02:00.000Z-Removing_edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-128.186.98.150-2008-12-14T20:02:00.000Z-Removing_edit"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-128.186.98.150-2008-12-14T20:02:00.000Z-Removing_edit"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-15T02:53:00.000Z-128.186.98.150-2008-12-14T20:02:00.000Z"></span>A few reasons. Most important, though: "see some or another website for reputable sources" isn't in any way providing a verifiable reliable source. A quick look at the URL you provided just shows the top level of a very dense site (and a quite good one, it would appear). We can't ask our readers to go and read the entire site to try to figure out which particular statement backs up your assertion that "the risk of this activity is nearly zero". Now, if there there a sentence somewhere on that site asserting that there is a nearly zero risk from mutual masturbation, great -- it would provide the source that the previous sentence ("Although the risk of infection in this manner is thought to be low...") is missing. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-15T02:53:00.000Z-128.186.98.150-2008-12-14T20:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-15T02:53:00.000Z-128.186.98.150-2008-12-14T20:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-15T02:53:00.000Z-128.186.98.150-2008-12-14T20:02:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CSI_WP:RFAR/Scientology" data-mw-thread-id="h-CSI_WP:RFAR/Scientology-2008-12-15T20:38:00.000Z"><span id="CSI_WP:RFAR.2FScientology"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CSI_WP:RFAR/Scientology-2008-12-15T20:38:00.000Z"></span>CSI <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Scientology" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Scientology">WP:RFAR/Scientology</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-CSI_WP:RFAR/Scientology-2008-12-15T20:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-15T20:38:00.000Z-CSI_WP:RFAR/Scientology"></span>Hi, I am going to collect evidence for the Scientology RFAR as an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#CSI_beta" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration">independent third party</a>. I want to point out that I am not the wiki-police nor do I have any kind of official role. </p><p>You seem to have processed all of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/COFS" title="Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/COFS">relevant RFCU cases</a>. What can you tell me about these? </p><p>Please also take a careful look at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Scientology/Evidence#Update:_Additional_confirmations_in_COFS_checkuser_case" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Scientology/Evidence">Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Scientology/Evidence#Update: Additional confirmations in COFS checkuser case</a>. Would you agree with it? </p><p>I'd be happy to know any insight you may wish to share. </p><p>--<small> <a href="/wiki/User:White_Cat/08" class="mw-redirect" title="User:White Cat/08">Cat</a></small> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:White_Cat/08" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:White Cat/08">chi?</a></sup> 20:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC) </p> <ul><li>The chart looks right. I think I provided all the information I had on the RFCU and arbitration evidence pages. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-15T20:38:00.000Z-CSI_WP:RFAR/Scientology" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 15 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-15T20:38:00.000Z-CSI_WP:RFAR/Scientology"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-15T20:38:00.000Z-CSI_WP:RFAR/Scientology"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-16T06:39:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-15T20:38:00.000Z"></span>Which evidence page? Would you mind linking please? :) --<small> <a href="/wiki/User:White_Cat/08" class="mw-redirect" title="User:White Cat/08">Cat</a></small> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:White_Cat/08" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:White Cat/08">chi?</a></sup> 02:01, 16 December 2008 (UTC) <dl><dd>Um, you already linked to it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-16T06:39:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-15T20:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-16T06:39:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-15T20:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-16T06:39:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-15T20:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd>Oh... *facepalm* --<small> <a href="/wiki/User:White_Cat/08" class="mw-redirect" title="User:White Cat/08">Cat</a></small> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:White_Cat/08" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:White Cat/08">chi?</a></sup> 07:43, 16 December 2008 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="pester_power_:-)" data-mw-thread-id="h-pester_power_:-)-2008-12-15T23:01:00.000Z"><span id="pester_power_:-.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-pester_power_:-)-2008-12-15T23:01:00.000Z"></span>pester power :-)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-pester_power_:-)-2008-12-15T23:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Motions" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Privatemusings-2008-12-15T23:01:00.000Z-pester_power_:-)"></span>Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Motions</a> - come on chaps, bums off hands please. It's not acceptable to leave this hanging, and you have a duty to make your position known. It's causing drama, and undue stress in all directions. Socks up please. <a href="/wiki/User:Privatemusings" title="User:Privatemusings">Privatemusings</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Privatemusings" title="User talk:Privatemusings">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Privatemusings-2008-12-15T23:01:00.000Z-pester_power_:-)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 15 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Privatemusings-2008-12-15T23:01:00.000Z-pester_power_:-)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Privatemusings-2008-12-15T23:01:00.000Z-pester_power_:-)"></span> </p> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Privatemusings-2008-12-16T00:48:00.000Z-pester_power_:-)"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Paulaner.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Paulaner.jpg/170px-Paulaner.jpg" decoding="async" width="170" height="208" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Paulaner.jpg/255px-Paulaner.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Paulaner.jpg 2x" data-file-width="318" data-file-height="390"/></a><figcaption>enjoy</figcaption></figure> <dl><dd>thanks jp - it's appreciated, and Brad has responded already at the Motion. Have a swig, and reply at leisure. cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Privatemusings" title="User:Privatemusings">Privatemusings</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Privatemusings" title="User talk:Privatemusings">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Privatemusings-2008-12-16T00:48:00.000Z-pester_power_:-)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Privatemusings-2008-12-16T00:48:00.000Z-pester_power_:-)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Privatemusings-2008-12-16T00:48:00.000Z-pester_power_:-)"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:RFAR#Motions_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:RFAR#Motions_2-2008-12-16T01:55:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia:RFAR.23Motions_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:RFAR#Motions_2-2008-12-16T01:55:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFAR#Motions_2" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFAR">Wikipedia:RFAR#Motions_2</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:RFAR#Motions_2-2008-12-16T01:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shoemaker's_Holiday-2008-12-16T01:55:00.000Z-Wikipedia:RFAR#Motions_2"></span>Could you please vote or abstain on Motion 1.3 in the Matthew Hoffman appeal? It currently has 5 supports out of ten, but the new Arbcom is going to come in in two weeks, and then everything will be thrown into chaos. It has been up for three and a bit weeks, the appeal itself is a month old. It would be nice to be able to get this over with and move on, instead of leaving it to the new Arbcom to sort out. </p><p>Thank you, </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Shoemaker%27s_Holiday" title="User:Shoemaker's Holiday">Shoemaker's Holiday</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shoemaker%27s_Holiday" title="User talk:Shoemaker's Holiday">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Shoemaker's_Holiday-2008-12-16T01:55:00.000Z-Wikipedia:RFAR#Motions_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)</a> <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shoemaker's_Holiday-2008-12-16T01:55:00.000Z-Wikipedia:RFAR#Motions_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shoemaker's_Holiday-2008-12-16T01:55:00.000Z-Wikipedia:RFAR#Motions_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-12-16T06:00:00.000Z-Shoemaker's_Holiday-2008-12-16T01:55:00.000Z"></span>Arghhhhh! I thought I'd nagged everyone about this - it seems I missed you. :( But thank you for bringing the matter to a close. :) <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-12-16T06:00:00.000Z-Shoemaker's_Holiday-2008-12-16T01:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-12-16T06:00:00.000Z-Shoemaker's_Holiday-2008-12-16T01:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-12-16T06:00:00.000Z-Shoemaker's_Holiday-2008-12-16T01:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-16T06:39:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-12-16T06:00:00.000Z"></span>Luckily, you can stop nagging me forever in two weeks. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-16T06:39:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-12-16T06:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-16T06:39:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-12-16T06:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-16T06:39:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-12-16T06:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-12-16T11:01:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-16T06:39:00.000Z"></span>Indeed, it's so bittersweet. :| IIRC, you were one of the first arbs that I ever nagged. :( But you were also the first arb to respond to my nudges - something that I appreciated very much both then, and now. :) <s>I don't know if I'd stay away forever, but it will feel like a long time. If one of the older cases that you were sitting on comes up on the RFArb page, Nyb or another arb may suggest that I nudge you for input - very unlikely I'd pass up an opportunity like that. Heh. Arb emeritus privilleges aren't completely cost free, lol...j/k. :P </s></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Anyway, while I'm here, one more motion I might as well nudge you for votes on is the Alastair Haines and/or Abtract motions. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Ncmvocalist" title="User:Ncmvocalist">Ncmvocalist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist" title="User talk:Ncmvocalist">talk</a>) <s><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ncmvocalist-2008-12-16T11:01:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-16T06:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:01, 16 December 2008 (UTC)</a></s> <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> 06:50, 27 December 2008 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-12-16T11:01:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-16T06:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ncmvocalist-2008-12-16T11:01:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-16T06:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pity" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pity-2008-12-17T01:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pity-2008-12-17T01:44:00.000Z"></span>Pity<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pity-2008-12-17T01:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jossi-2008-12-17T01:44:00.000Z-Pity"></span>... that you have to leave ArbCom under these conditions. I cannot imagine how one can deal with so much crap and keep one's sanity at the same time. Good luck on your wiki-endeavors (sans the dramas), and thank you for a good service to the pedia as an ArbCom member. <a href="/wiki/User:Jossi" title="User:Jossi">≈ jossi ≈</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jossi" title="User talk:Jossi">(talk)</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jossi-2008-12-17T01:44:00.000Z-Pity" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jossi-2008-12-17T01:44:00.000Z-Pity"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jossi-2008-12-17T01:44:00.000Z-Pity"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-17T03:24:00.000Z-Jossi-2008-12-17T01:44:00.000Z"></span>Thanks much. I wish I'd enjoyed it more, but then, if I had, I'd not be leaving. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-17T03:24:00.000Z-Jossi-2008-12-17T01:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-17T03:24:00.000Z-Jossi-2008-12-17T01:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-17T03:24:00.000Z-Jossi-2008-12-17T01:44:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sockofadix" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sockofadix-2008-12-18T02:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sockofadix-2008-12-18T02:39:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Sockofadix&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Sockofadix (page does not exist)">Sockofadix </a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sockofadix-2008-12-18T02:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T02:39:00.000Z-Sockofadix"></span>Almost certainly a sock of Fadix but small chance that it is someone trying to make Fadix look bad. Given the history that wouldn't surprise me. Should be blocked and probably checkusered to see if it is Fadix. Given the history I am dropping this on your doorstep. <a href="/wiki/User:JoshuaZ" title="User:JoshuaZ">JoshuaZ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoshuaZ" title="User talk:JoshuaZ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T02:39:00.000Z-Sockofadix" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T02:39:00.000Z-Sockofadix"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T02:39:00.000Z-Sockofadix"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T02:54:00.000Z-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T02:39:00.000Z"></span>Given his comments and Fadix's remarks we should probably just indef block him and be done with the matter. <a href="/wiki/User:JoshuaZ" title="User:JoshuaZ">JoshuaZ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoshuaZ" title="User talk:JoshuaZ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T02:54:00.000Z-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T02:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T02:54:00.000Z-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T02:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T02:54:00.000Z-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T02:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T02:58:00.000Z-Sockofadix"></span>Since you seem to be not on right now I've left a note on ANI. <a href="/wiki/User:JoshuaZ" title="User:JoshuaZ">JoshuaZ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoshuaZ" title="User talk:JoshuaZ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T02:58:00.000Z-Sockofadix" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T02:58:00.000Z-Sockofadix"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T02:58:00.000Z-Sockofadix"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T03:15:00.000Z-Sockofadix"></span>Nevermind. Dealt with on ANI. <a href="/wiki/User:JoshuaZ" title="User:JoshuaZ">JoshuaZ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoshuaZ" title="User talk:JoshuaZ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T03:15:00.000Z-Sockofadix" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:15, 18 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T03:15:00.000Z-Sockofadix"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T03:15:00.000Z-Sockofadix"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jayvdb-2008-12-18T03:37:00.000Z-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T03:15:00.000Z"></span>I raised it on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AE#Fadix" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AE">Wikipedia:AE#Fadix</a> for any follow up that might be required. <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><a href="/wiki/User:Jayvdb" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jayvdb">John Vandenberg</a> <sup><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jayvdb" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jayvdb">chat</a>)</b></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jayvdb-2008-12-18T03:37:00.000Z-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T03:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jayvdb-2008-12-18T03:37:00.000Z-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T03:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jayvdb-2008-12-18T03:37:00.000Z-JoshuaZ-2008-12-18T03:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-18T07:19:00.000Z-Jayvdb-2008-12-18T03:37:00.000Z"></span>I was actually hosting revelry this evening. Checkuser shows no surprises. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-18T07:19:00.000Z-Jayvdb-2008-12-18T03:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-18T07:19:00.000Z-Jayvdb-2008-12-18T03:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-18T07:19:00.000Z-Jayvdb-2008-12-18T03:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Yeah,_about_Fadix..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Yeah,_about_Fadix...-2008-12-19T01:09:00.000Z"><span id="Yeah.2C_about_Fadix..."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Yeah,_about_Fadix...-2008-12-19T01:09:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, about Fadix...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Yeah,_about_Fadix...-2008-12-19T01:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dylan620-2008-12-19T01:09:00.000Z-Yeah,_about_Fadix..."></span>You extended his ban to indefinite, but the usage of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Banned_user" title="Template:Banned user">banned user</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> on his userpage still says that he's banned for one year, rather than indef. The same error can be found on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LOBU" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LOBU">WP:LOBU</a>. You're the indeffing admin; should I fix the errors? --<a href="/wiki/User:Dylan620" title="User:Dylan620"><span style="color:blue;">Dylan</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dylan620" title="User talk:Dylan620"><span style="color:purple;">620</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dylan620" title="Special:Contributions/Dylan620"><sub><span style="color:green;">Contribs</span></sub></a> <a href="/wiki/User:Dylan620/guestbook" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dylan620/guestbook"><sup><span style="color:red;">Sign!</span></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Dylan620-2008-12-19T01:09:00.000Z-Yeah,_about_Fadix..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dylan620-2008-12-19T01:09:00.000Z-Yeah,_about_Fadix..."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dylan620-2008-12-19T01:09:00.000Z-Yeah,_about_Fadix..."></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T05:34:00.000Z-Dylan620-2008-12-19T01:09:00.000Z"></span>I guess. But he was banned by ArbCom for one year for harassment, personal attacks, and so on. Bans are routinely reset when sockpuppeteering occurs. My indef block, on the other hand, is routine administrative treatment of recidivist block evaders. Perhaps it would be best just to have one box: he's now indefinitely blocked for abusing multiple accounts. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T05:34:00.000Z-Dylan620-2008-12-19T01:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:34, 19 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T05:34:00.000Z-Dylan620-2008-12-19T01:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T05:34:00.000Z-Dylan620-2008-12-19T01:09:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Face-2008-12-19T09:32:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T05:34:00.000Z"></span>Commented on it <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:List_of_banned_users&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia talk:List of banned users (page does not exist)">here</a>. I guess the ArbCom ban still stands, and runs concurrently with the indefblock. Am I right? Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Face" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Face">Face</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Face-2008-12-19T09:32:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T05:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Face-2008-12-19T09:32:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T05:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Face-2008-12-19T09:32:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T05:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T10:22:00.000Z-Face-2008-12-19T09:32:00.000Z"></span>Right. So if, for some reason, the community has an idea the indef block should be removed, the ArbCom ban still is in effect. Just a technicality; I doubt anyone will want him back. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T10:22:00.000Z-Face-2008-12-19T09:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T10:22:00.000Z-Face-2008-12-19T09:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T10:22:00.000Z-Face-2008-12-19T09:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dylan620-2008-12-19T10:54:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T10:22:00.000Z"></span>Ah, I've seen this before. <span id="Giovanni33" class="plainlinks userlinks" style="color:#002bb8"><span class="userlinks-username"><a href="/wiki/User:Giovanni33" title="User:Giovanni33">Giovanni33</a> </span><span style="color:black">(</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giovanni33" title="User talk:Giovanni33">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Giovanni33" title="Special:Contributions/Giovanni33">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User:Giovanni33"><span style="color:#002bb8">block log</span></a>)</span> and <span id="Anonimu" class="plainlinks userlinks" style="color:#002bb8"><span class="userlinks-username"><a href="/wiki/User:Anonimu" title="User:Anonimu">Anonimu</a> </span><span style="color:black">(</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anonimu" title="User talk:Anonimu">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Anonimu" title="Special:Contributions/Anonimu">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User:Anonimu"><span style="color:#002bb8">block log</span></a>)</span> are community banned indefinitely, but are under ArbCom bans of 1 year; is this the same with Fadix? (On an unrelated side note, is <span id="Yorkshirian" class="plainlinks userlinks" style="color:#002bb8"><span class="userlinks-username"><a href="/wiki/User:Yorkshirian" title="User:Yorkshirian">Yorkshirian</a> </span><span style="color:black">(</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yorkshirian" title="User talk:Yorkshirian">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Yorkshirian" title="Special:Contributions/Yorkshirian">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User:Yorkshirian"><span style="color:#002bb8">block log</span></a>)</span> indef-banned by both ArbCom and the community, or is he just indefinitely community-banned, running concurrently with 1-year ArbCom ban? I asked because <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_banned_users#Yorkshirian" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:List of banned users">Wikipedia:List of banned users#Yorkshirian</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Yorkshirian" title="User:Yorkshirian">User:Yorkshirian</a> are conflicting resources.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Dylan620" title="User:Dylan620"><span style="color:blue;">Dylan</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dylan620" title="User talk:Dylan620"><span style="color:purple;">620</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dylan620" title="Special:Contributions/Dylan620"><sub><span style="color:green;">Contribs</span></sub></a> <a href="/wiki/User:Dylan620/guestbook" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dylan620/guestbook"><sup><span style="color:red;">Sign!</span></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Dylan620-2008-12-19T10:54:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T10:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dylan620-2008-12-19T10:54:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T10:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dylan620-2008-12-19T10:54:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T10:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T16:47:00.000Z-Dylan620-2008-12-19T10:54:00.000Z"></span>I <i>think</i> Yorkshirian is in the exact same situation as Fadix. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T16:47:00.000Z-Dylan620-2008-12-19T10:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T16:47:00.000Z-Dylan620-2008-12-19T10:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T16:47:00.000Z-Dylan620-2008-12-19T10:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_there_something_that_I_am_missing?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_there_something_that_I_am_missing?-2008-12-19T06:36:00.000Z"><span id="Is_there_something_that_I_am_missing.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_there_something_that_I_am_missing?-2008-12-19T06:36:00.000Z"></span>Is there something that I am missing?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_there_something_that_I_am_missing?-2008-12-19T06:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-19T06:36:00.000Z-Is_there_something_that_I_am_missing?"></span>The <a href="/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists" title="Discrimination against atheists">discrimination against atheists</a> article seems made entirely of original research. It is amazing. The sources simply do not mention the said discrimination. Am I being too bold in excising the stuff that is not supported? I mean, people might put it back, but unless they bring the needed secondary sources, how can they be in the right? I still need to deal with the United States section; most of it is source directly to the texts of the state constitutions. I guess we are supposed to assume that Joe Editor is an authority suited to interpret all of these primary sources, individually and together, by virtue of his prestigious position as a volunteer editor of an encyclopedia anyone can edit?? Please let me know if I do something wrong, thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)" title="User:A baby turkey (citation needed)">A baby turkey</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)" title="User talk:A baby turkey (citation needed)"><sup>[<i>citation needed</i>]</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-19T06:36:00.000Z-Is_there_something_that_I_am_missing?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-19T06:36:00.000Z-Is_there_something_that_I_am_missing?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-19T06:36:00.000Z-Is_there_something_that_I_am_missing?"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T07:10:00.000Z-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-19T06:36:00.000Z"></span>Right, we need secondary sources supporting claims of discrimination against atheists. I do think you've gone a bit overboard with the wholesale deletion rather than engaging in some dialog about it; as with most Wikipedia articles, it's not that important to make sure the article is Correct Today. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T07:10:00.000Z-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-19T06:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T07:10:00.000Z-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-19T06:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T07:10:00.000Z-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-19T06:36:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-19T07:31:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T07:10:00.000Z"></span>You may be right. I guess it just seems weird to me to keep anything that is obvious original research. Should I revert myself? Also, did AzureFury's duplication of responses seem quite appropriate to you? I had trouble seeing good faith in that behavior. <a href="/wiki/User:A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)" title="User:A baby turkey (citation needed)">A baby turkey</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)" title="User talk:A baby turkey (citation needed)"><sup>[<i>citation needed</i>]</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-19T07:31:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T07:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 19 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-19T07:31:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T07:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-19T07:31:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T07:10:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T07:35:00.000Z-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-19T07:31:00.000Z"></span>He seems to be someone who is Sure He Is Correct -- and is obviously pursuing a personal cause, which is no big deal (one expects atheists to be prominent in writing the articles about atheism.) But a few more eyes might be helpful. It's too late this evening for me to want to get into tonight; but maybe an article RFC would bring some additional attention. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T07:35:00.000Z-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-19T07:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T07:35:00.000Z-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-19T07:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-19T07:35:00.000Z-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-19T07:31:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Testifying_in_court" data-mw-thread-id="h-Testifying_in_court-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Testifying_in_court-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z"></span>Testifying in court<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Testifying_in_court-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AzureFury-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z-Testifying_in_court"></span>Please read my comments on the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Discrimination_against_atheists#Oath_vs_Affirmation" title="Talk:Discrimination against atheists">talk page</a>. The article does not claim the oath is discrimination and is actually refuting that belief. <a href="/wiki/User:AzureFury" title="User:AzureFury"><b><span style="color:blue">Azure</span><span style="color:red">Fury</span></b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AzureFury" title="User talk:AzureFury">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AzureFury" title="Special:Contributions/AzureFury">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-AzureFury-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z-Testifying_in_court" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AzureFury-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z-Testifying_in_court"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AzureFury-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z-Testifying_in_court"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z-AzureFury-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z"></span>Please desist from your original research. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z-AzureFury-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z-AzureFury-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z-AzureFury-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AzureFury-2008-12-20T04:40:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z"></span>Please edit in good faith. <a href="/wiki/User:AzureFury" title="User:AzureFury"><b><span style="color:blue">Azure</span><span style="color:red">Fury</span></b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AzureFury" title="User talk:AzureFury">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AzureFury" title="Special:Contributions/AzureFury">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-AzureFury-2008-12-20T04:40:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:40, 20 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AzureFury-2008-12-20T04:40:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AzureFury-2008-12-20T04:40:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-20T04:20:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-20T04:42:00.000Z-AzureFury-2008-12-20T04:40:00.000Z"></span>Have been. I've called more eyes over to look at the article (via RFC); hopefully they'll help resolve things. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-20T04:42:00.000Z-AzureFury-2008-12-20T04:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:42, 20 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-20T04:42:00.000Z-AzureFury-2008-12-20T04:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-20T04:42:00.000Z-AzureFury-2008-12-20T04:40:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unblock_Request_Notification" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unblock_Request_Notification-2008-12-20T04:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unblock_Request_Notification-2008-12-20T04:44:00.000Z"></span>Unblock Request Notification<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unblock_Request_Notification-2008-12-20T04:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DavidWSBot-2008-12-20T04:44:00.000Z-Unblock_Request_Notification"></span>Hello, Jpgordon! A user you have blocked, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ASCIASA&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ASCIASA (page does not exist)">ASCIASA</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ASCIASA" title="User talk:ASCIASA">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ASCIASA" title="Special:Contributions/ASCIASA">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/ASCIASA" title="Special:DeletedContributions/ASCIASA">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/ASCIASA" title="Special:Log/ASCIASA">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=ASCIASA">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/ASCIASA" title="Special:Block/ASCIASA">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3AASCIASA">block log</a>)</span>, has requested to be unblocked, and your username is listed on my notification <a href="/wiki/User:DavidWSBot/Optin" title="User:DavidWSBot/Optin">opt-in</a> page. The unblock request is on his user talk page <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ASCIASA" title="User talk:ASCIASA">here</a>. If you no longer want to recieve these notifications, remove your name from my list. If you would like to be notified about future unblock requests from this user, remove this template from your page. Thank you, <a href="/wiki/User:DavidWSBot" title="User:DavidWSBot">DavidWSBot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DavidWSBot" title="User talk:DavidWSBot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-DavidWSBot-2008-12-20T04:44:00.000Z-Unblock_Request_Notification" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:44, 20 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DavidWSBot-2008-12-20T04:44:00.000Z-Unblock_Request_Notification"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DavidWSBot-2008-12-20T04:44:00.000Z-Unblock_Request_Notification"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fvw-2008-12-20T08:52:00.000Z-DavidWSBot-2008-12-20T04:44:00.000Z"></span>Hia, thanks for your note on the user's talk page. I've gone through the contribs, and I definitely agree with your block; On the other hand, I'm not having too much trouble AGFing here, and as the main problem here was ignoring warnings, and the user seems to be willing to engage on their talk page now, I've unblocked. I'll keep an eye on the user, could you do the same? If you see any further recurrences of the same problem I'm fine with a reblock. --<a href="/wiki/User:Fvw" title="User:Fvw">fvw</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fvw" title="User talk:Fvw"><small><span style="color:green;">*</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Fvw-2008-12-20T08:52:00.000Z-DavidWSBot-2008-12-20T04:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 20 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fvw-2008-12-20T08:52:00.000Z-DavidWSBot-2008-12-20T04:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fvw-2008-12-20T08:52:00.000Z-DavidWSBot-2008-12-20T04:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-20T15:04:00.000Z-Fvw-2008-12-20T08:52:00.000Z"></span>Cool! Thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-20T15:04:00.000Z-Fvw-2008-12-20T08:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 20 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-20T15:04:00.000Z-Fvw-2008-12-20T08:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-20T15:04:00.000Z-Fvw-2008-12-20T08:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Kosher_Tax" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kosher_Tax-2008-12-22T04:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kosher_Tax-2008-12-22T04:56:00.000Z"></span>Kosher Tax<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kosher_Tax-2008-12-22T04:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lute88-2008-12-22T04:56:00.000Z-Kosher_Tax"></span>Sewell seems to be on the war path. --<a href="/wiki/User:Lute88" title="User:Lute88">Lute88</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lute88" title="User talk:Lute88">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Lute88-2008-12-22T04:56:00.000Z-Kosher_Tax" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lute88-2008-12-22T04:56:00.000Z-Kosher_Tax"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lute88-2008-12-22T04:56:00.000Z-Kosher_Tax"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-22T04:58:00.000Z-Lute88-2008-12-22T04:56:00.000Z"></span>Shrug. Gegen Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-22T04:58:00.000Z-Lute88-2008-12-22T04:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:58, 22 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-22T04:58:00.000Z-Lute88-2008-12-22T04:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-22T04:58:00.000Z-Lute88-2008-12-22T04:56:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Potential_sockpuppet" data-mw-thread-id="h-Potential_sockpuppet-2008-12-23T17:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Potential_sockpuppet-2008-12-23T17:06:00.000Z"></span>Potential sockpuppet<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Potential_sockpuppet-2008-12-23T17:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rjd0060-2008-12-23T17:06:00.000Z-Potential_sockpuppet"></span>Somebody pointed this out to me and I heard you might be familiar with <a href="/wiki/User:I%27m_On_Base" title="User:I'm On Base">this users</a> sockpuppets. Can you take a look at <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:FastReverter&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:FastReverter (page does not exist)">this one</a>? Thanks. - <a href="/wiki/User:Rjd0060" title="User:Rjd0060">Rjd0060</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rjd0060" title="User talk:Rjd0060">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Rjd0060-2008-12-23T17:06:00.000Z-Potential_sockpuppet" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 23 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rjd0060-2008-12-23T17:06:00.000Z-Potential_sockpuppet"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rjd0060-2008-12-23T17:06:00.000Z-Potential_sockpuppet"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-23T17:10:00.000Z-Rjd0060-2008-12-23T17:06:00.000Z"></span>Can't tell if there's any relationship; data on the old one is stale (and I don't have anything stored.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-23T17:10:00.000Z-Rjd0060-2008-12-23T17:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 23 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-23T17:10:00.000Z-Rjd0060-2008-12-23T17:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-23T17:10:00.000Z-Rjd0060-2008-12-23T17:06:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_talk:J._P._GORDON_IS_TEH_AWESOME_ZORS!" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_talk:J._P._GORDON_IS_TEH_AWESOME_ZORS!-2008-12-23T20:40:00.000Z"><span id="User_talk:J._P._GORDON_IS_TEH_AWESOME_ZORS.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_talk:J._P._GORDON_IS_TEH_AWESOME_ZORS!-2008-12-23T20:40:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:J._P._GORDON_IS_TEH_AWESOME_ZORS!&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:J. P. GORDON IS TEH AWESOME ZORS! (page does not exist)">User talk:J. P. GORDON IS TEH AWESOME ZORS!</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_talk:J._P._GORDON_IS_TEH_AWESOME_ZORS!-2008-12-23T20:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FisherQueen-2008-12-23T20:40:00.000Z-User_talk:J._P._GORDON_IS_TEH_AWESOME_ZORS!"></span>Just want to confirm that this is your new account before I unblock you. :) -<a href="/wiki/User:FisherQueen" title="User:FisherQueen">FisherQueen</a><span style="font-size: smaller;"> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FisherQueen" title="User talk:FisherQueen">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/FisherQueen" title="Special:Contributions/FisherQueen">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-FisherQueen-2008-12-23T20:40:00.000Z-User_talk:J._P._GORDON_IS_TEH_AWESOME_ZORS!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 23 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FisherQueen-2008-12-23T20:40:00.000Z-User_talk:J._P._GORDON_IS_TEH_AWESOME_ZORS!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FisherQueen-2008-12-23T20:40:00.000Z-User_talk:J._P._GORDON_IS_TEH_AWESOME_ZORS!"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-23T21:13:00.000Z-FisherQueen-2008-12-23T20:40:00.000Z"></span>Why of course. Make sure that account has all possible privileges. Oh, he can also renege on his retirement. Sure, that's the ticket. (What's a ZORS?) --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-23T21:13:00.000Z-FisherQueen-2008-12-23T20:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-23T21:13:00.000Z-FisherQueen-2008-12-23T20:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-23T21:13:00.000Z-FisherQueen-2008-12-23T20:40:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FisherQueen-2008-12-23T21:48:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-23T21:13:00.000Z"></span>According to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=-zors">Urban Dictionary</a>, it's a suffix, similar to the 'xors' in 'u suxxors.' If I interpret it correctly, it should be a verb ending, and not affixed to an adjective. <a href="/wiki/User:FisherQueen" title="User:FisherQueen">FisherQueen</a><span style="font-size: smaller;"> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FisherQueen" title="User talk:FisherQueen">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/FisherQueen" title="Special:Contributions/FisherQueen">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-FisherQueen-2008-12-23T21:48:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-23T21:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 23 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FisherQueen-2008-12-23T21:48:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-23T21:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FisherQueen-2008-12-23T21:48:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-23T21:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Interesting" data-mw-thread-id="h-Interesting-2008-12-24T03:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Interesting-2008-12-24T03:55:00.000Z"></span>Interesting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Interesting-2008-12-24T03:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KillerChihuahua-2008-12-24T03:55:00.000Z-Interesting"></span>That for once Kwanzaa has not been semi'd throughout the season. I wonder if the recent elections have had anything to do with that? <a href="/wiki/User:KillerChihuahua" title="User:KillerChihuahua">KillerChihuahua</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:KillerChihuahua" title="User talk:KillerChihuahua">?!?</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-KillerChihuahua-2008-12-24T03:55:00.000Z-Interesting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KillerChihuahua-2008-12-24T03:55:00.000Z-Interesting"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KillerChihuahua-2008-12-24T03:55:00.000Z-Interesting"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-24T04:28:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2008-12-24T03:55:00.000Z"></span>Hm? I semi'd it on Dec. 9. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-24T04:28:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2008-12-24T03:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-24T04:28:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2008-12-24T03:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-24T04:28:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2008-12-24T03:55:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KillerChihuahua-2008-12-24T14:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-24T04:28:00.000Z"></span>Oh bother. So it was earlier than usual, and that's where I missed it. Darn. Should have checked protect levels rather than hist; my mistake. I plead simple idiocy for the preceding comment, feel free to strike it. <a href="/wiki/User:KillerChihuahua" title="User:KillerChihuahua">KillerChihuahua</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:KillerChihuahua" title="User talk:KillerChihuahua">?!?</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-KillerChihuahua-2008-12-24T14:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-24T04:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:02, 24 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KillerChihuahua-2008-12-24T14:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-24T04:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KillerChihuahua-2008-12-24T14:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2008-12-24T04:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-24T15:34:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2008-12-24T14:02:00.000Z"></span>Hey! No need for head-hammer! Save the hammer for the creeps that make the semi necessary! --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-24T15:34:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2008-12-24T14:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-24T15:34:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2008-12-24T14:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-24T15:34:00.000Z-KillerChihuahua-2008-12-24T14:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User:AndrewCrogonklol" data-mw-thread-id="h-User:AndrewCrogonklol-2008-12-25T03:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User:AndrewCrogonklol-2008-12-25T03:35:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AndrewCrogonklol&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AndrewCrogonklol (page does not exist)">User:AndrewCrogonklol</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User:AndrewCrogonklol-2008-12-25T03:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arthur_Rubin-2008-12-25T03:35:00.000Z-User:AndrewCrogonklol"></span>As the one who denied the unblock — if he was already block-evading, can we speedy the two templates he created; <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Ineffcient&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Ineffcient (page does not exist)">Ineffcient</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Ytplus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Ytplus (page does not exist)">Ytplus</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>? — <a href="/wiki/User:Arthur_Rubin" title="User:Arthur Rubin">Arthur Rubin</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arthur_Rubin" title="User talk:Arthur Rubin">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Arthur_Rubin-2008-12-25T03:35:00.000Z-User:AndrewCrogonklol" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arthur_Rubin-2008-12-25T03:35:00.000Z-User:AndrewCrogonklol"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arthur_Rubin-2008-12-25T03:35:00.000Z-User:AndrewCrogonklol"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-25T08:22:00.000Z-Arthur_Rubin-2008-12-25T03:35:00.000Z"></span>Look like trash to me, they do. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2008-12-25T08:22:00.000Z-Arthur_Rubin-2008-12-25T03:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 25 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-25T08:22:00.000Z-Arthur_Rubin-2008-12-25T03:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2008-12-25T08:22:00.000Z-Arthur_Rubin-2008-12-25T03:35:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Seasons_Greetings" data-mw-thread-id="h-Seasons_Greetings-2008-12-25T07:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Seasons_Greetings-2008-12-25T07:31:00.000Z"></span>Seasons Greetings<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Seasons_Greetings-2008-12-25T07:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guettarda-2008-12-25T07:31:00.000Z-Seasons_Greetings"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Buccoo1.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Buccoo1.jpg/200px-Buccoo1.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="150" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Buccoo1.jpg/300px-Buccoo1.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Buccoo1.jpg/400px-Buccoo1.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2560" data-file-height="1920"/></a><figcaption>Wishing you the very best for the season. <a href="/wiki/User:Guettarda" title="User:Guettarda">Guettarda</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Guettarda" title="User talk:Guettarda">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Guettarda-2008-12-25T07:31:00.000Z-Seasons_Greetings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 25 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guettarda-2008-12-25T07:31:00.000Z-Seasons_Greetings"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guettarda-2008-12-25T07:31:00.000Z-Seasons_Greetings"></span></figcaption></figure> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Merry_Christmas_from_Promethean" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merry_Christmas_from_Promethean-Seasons_Greetings"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merry_Christmas_from_Promethean-Seasons_Greetings"></span>Merry Christmas from Promethean<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merry_Christmas_from_Promethean-Seasons_Greetings"></span></h3></div> <div style="font-size:85%; display:block; vertical-align:top; background:cyan; border:2px solid #003366; margin-bottom:4pt; padding:2pt; margin-top:4pt; padding-top:2pt;"> <div style="text-align: center;"><b>O'Hai there Jpgordon, Merry Christmas!</b></div></div> <div style="font-size:85%; display:block; vertical-align:top; background:; border:1px solid #003366; margin-bottom:4pt; padding:2pt; margin-top:4pt; padding-top:2pt;"> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Juletr%C3%A6et.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Juletr%C3%A6et.jpg/90px-Juletr%C3%A6et.jpg" decoding="async" width="90" height="124" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Juletr%C3%A6et.jpg/135px-Juletr%C3%A6et.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Juletr%C3%A6et.jpg/180px-Juletr%C3%A6et.jpg 2x" data-file-width="436" data-file-height="600"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Jpgordon,<br/> I wish you and your family all the best this Christmas and that you also have a Happy and safe new year.<br/> Thankyou for all your contributions to Wikipedia this year and I look forward to seeing many more from you in the future.<br/> Your work around Wikipedia has not gone un-noticed, this notice is testimony to that <br/> Please feel free to drop by my talkpage any time to say Hi, as I will probably say Hi back :) <br/><br/> All the Best. <a href="/wiki/User:Promethean" title="User:Promethean"><b><span style="color:#FF0000;background:white"> «<span style="color:#736F6E">l<span style="color:#736F6E">|<span style="color:#151B54"> Ψrometheăn ™</span>|</span>l</span>» </span></b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Promethean" title="User talk:Promethean"> (talk)</a> <br/> </p> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Checkuser" data-mw-thread-id="h-Checkuser-2008-12-31T19:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Checkuser-2008-12-31T19:54:00.000Z"></span>Checkuser<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Checkuser-2008-12-31T19:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tanthalas39-2008-12-31T19:54:00.000Z-Checkuser"></span>Hey, was there an official CU report for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Americanidolwatcher&diff=261148933&oldid=261147802">this?</a> Just wondering. <a href="/wiki/User:Tanthalas39" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tanthalas39"><span style="color:#CC7722; font-family:Papyrus;"><b>Tan</b></span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tanthalas39" title="User talk:Tanthalas39"><span style="color:#21421E; font-family:Papyrus;">39</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Tanthalas39-2008-12-31T19:54:00.000Z-Checkuser" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tanthalas39-2008-12-31T19:54:00.000Z-Checkuser"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tanthalas39-2008-12-31T19:54:00.000Z-Checkuser"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tanthalas39-2008-12-31T20:04:00.000Z-Tanthalas39-2008-12-31T19:54:00.000Z"></span>Sorry, didn't notice who I was talking to. Carry on. <a href="/wiki/User:Tanthalas39" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tanthalas39"><span style="color:#CC7722; font-family:Papyrus;"><b>Tan</b></span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tanthalas39" title="User talk:Tanthalas39"><span style="color:#21421E; font-family:Papyrus;">39</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Tanthalas39-2008-12-31T20:04:00.000Z-Tanthalas39-2008-12-31T19:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 31 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tanthalas39-2008-12-31T20:04:00.000Z-Tanthalas39-2008-12-31T19:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tanthalas39-2008-12-31T20:04:00.000Z-Tanthalas39-2008-12-31T19:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Happy_New_Year!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Happy_New_Year!-2009-01-01T21:30:00.000Z"><span id="Happy_New_Year.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Happy_New_Year!-2009-01-01T21:30:00.000Z"></span>Happy New Year!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Happy_New_Year!-2009-01-01T21:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Majorly-2009-01-01T21:30:00.000Z-Happy_New_Year!"></span>Dear Jpgordon, </p><p>Wishing you a happy new year, and very best wishes for 2009. Whether we were friends or not in the past year, I hope 2009 will be better for us both. </p><p>Kind regards, </p><p><b><a href="/wiki/User:Majorly" title="User:Majorly"><span style="font-family:verdana; font-size:10pt; color:#6B8AB8">Majorly</span></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Majorly#t" title="User talk:Majorly"><span style="font-family:verdana; font-size:8pt; color:#6B8AB8">talk</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Majorly-2009-01-01T21:30:00.000Z-Happy_New_Year!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 1 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Majorly-2009-01-01T21:30:00.000Z-Happy_New_Year!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Majorly-2009-01-01T21:30:00.000Z-Happy_New_Year!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mostly_an_FYI" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mostly_an_FYI-2008-12-28T01:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mostly_an_FYI-2008-12-28T01:34:00.000Z"></span>Mostly an FYI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mostly_an_FYI-2008-12-28T01:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wildhartlivie-2008-12-28T01:34:00.000Z-Mostly_an_FYI"></span>Hi. I approached you about <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJpgordon&diff=241326655&oldid=241058042">this</a> in September and then promptly forgot about it. Something came up in relation to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FILMS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FILMS">WP:FILMS</a> and I was reminded. I've opened a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Allknowingallseeing" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Allknowingallseeing">RFCU</a> about this and thought you might like to know. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Wildhartlivie" title="User:Wildhartlivie">Wildhartlivie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wildhartlivie" title="User talk:Wildhartlivie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Wildhartlivie-2008-12-28T01:34:00.000Z-Mostly_an_FYI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wildhartlivie-2008-12-28T01:34:00.000Z-Mostly_an_FYI"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wildhartlivie-2008-12-28T01:34:00.000Z-Mostly_an_FYI"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-03T03:44:00.000Z-Wildhartlivie-2008-12-28T01:34:00.000Z"></span>Ten foot pole. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-03T03:44:00.000Z-Wildhartlivie-2008-12-28T01:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-03T03:44:00.000Z-Wildhartlivie-2008-12-28T01:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-03T03:44:00.000Z-Wildhartlivie-2008-12-28T01:34:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Red_diaper_baby" data-mw-thread-id="h-Red_diaper_baby-2009-01-05T05:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Red_diaper_baby-2009-01-05T05:29:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Red_diaper_baby" title="Red diaper baby">Red diaper baby</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Red_diaper_baby-2009-01-05T05:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Skomorokh-2009-01-05T05:29:00.000Z-Red_diaper_baby"></span>Greetings, Jpgordon. You may <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Red_diaper_baby&diff=262039990&oldid=260264933">wish to consider</a> reinstating the semi-protection of this article. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Skomorokh" title="User:Skomorokh"><span style="font-family:Garamond; color:black;">Skomorokh</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Skomorokh-2009-01-05T05:29:00.000Z-Red_diaper_baby" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Skomorokh-2009-01-05T05:29:00.000Z-Red_diaper_baby"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Skomorokh-2009-01-05T05:29:00.000Z-Red_diaper_baby"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T05:39:00.000Z-Skomorokh-2009-01-05T05:29:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T05:39:00.000Z-Skomorokh-2009-01-05T05:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:39, 5 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T05:39:00.000Z-Skomorokh-2009-01-05T05:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T05:39:00.000Z-Skomorokh-2009-01-05T05:29:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deeceevoice" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deeceevoice-2009-01-05T19:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deeceevoice-2009-01-05T19:36:00.000Z"></span>Deeceevoice<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deeceevoice-2009-01-05T19:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-B-2009-01-05T19:36:00.000Z-Deeceevoice"></span>Regarding your comment at the talk page of <a href="/wiki/User:Deeceevoice" title="User:Deeceevoice">Deeceevoice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deeceevoice" title="User talk:Deeceevoice">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Deeceevoice" title="Special:Contributions/Deeceevoice">contribs</a>), have you reviewed the <a href="/wiki/Special:Undelete/Talk:Stereotypes_of_Whites" title="Special:Undelete/Talk:Stereotypes of Whites">Special:Undelete/Talk:Stereotypes of Whites</a>? <i>"Wow. The possibilities are endless. Prepare to be offended. All of you."</i> There's pretty much no way to argue that the list was in good faith when he/she comes right out and says that it is for trolling. I think a year long ban is over the top if this is the only thing it is for, but there needs to be some level of awareness that this behavior is unacceptable or, failing that, the mechanisms to prevent it from occurring. I haven't reviewed this person's contributions in depth and don't think I had ever heard of him/her prior to seeing an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN3" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN3">AN3</a> request about this issue, so I don't know enough to have an opinion on a long term editing ban, but I do have a very strong opinion about a topic ban. Saying that Deeceevoice's behavior was not meant as an insult really flies in the face of his/her own words. --<a href="/wiki/User:B" title="User:B">B</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:B" title="User talk:B">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-B-2009-01-05T19:36:00.000Z-Deeceevoice" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 5 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-B-2009-01-05T19:36:00.000Z-Deeceevoice"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-B-2009-01-05T19:36:00.000Z-Deeceevoice"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T20:12:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T19:36:00.000Z"></span>Don't confuse "trolling" (which has no actual content other than stirring up shit) with disruption to make a point. DCV is nothing even close to a troll. She's a moderately angry person of color, previously victimized by racism on Wikipedia and hence hypersensitive to it. I'll go back and see what started all this, but I'd be willing to bet it was insensitivity directed toward her particular causes. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T20:12:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T19:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:12, 5 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T20:12:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T19:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T20:12:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T19:36:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-B-2009-01-05T21:22:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T20:12:00.000Z"></span>There is a difference between "X is trolling" and "X is a troll". I said the former, not the latter. I have no doubt that Deeceevoice is a good faith user, but in this particular limited case, her actions were inappropriate and were for the express purpose of causing offense. This has caused substantial disruption and waste of time. In some fashion, that needs to be remedied as to reduce the likelihood of further disruption. --<a href="/wiki/User:B" title="User:B">B</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:B" title="User talk:B">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-B-2009-01-05T21:22:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T20:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-B-2009-01-05T21:22:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T20:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-B-2009-01-05T21:22:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T20:12:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T21:27:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T21:22:00.000Z"></span>No, I don't think there's much difference in the real world between saying someone is a vandal and someone is acting like a vandal; it's a fine way to provide plausible denial for incivility. Anyway, I'm just another admin nowadays, who happens to think Deeceevoice has continually gotten a raw deal here. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T21:27:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T21:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:27, 5 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T21:27:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T21:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T21:27:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T21:22:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-B-2009-01-05T21:41:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T21:27:00.000Z"></span>"Bob vandalized my car" is a falsifiable statement that carries no moral judgment. "Bob is a vandal" is a more serious condemnation - not only did he vandalize, but that defines (at least in part) who he is. --<a href="/wiki/User:B" title="User:B">B</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:B" title="User talk:B">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-B-2009-01-05T21:41:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T21:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-B-2009-01-05T21:41:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T21:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-B-2009-01-05T21:41:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T21:27:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T21:44:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T21:41:00.000Z"></span>As I said, plausible deniability for incivility. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T21:44:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T21:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T21:44:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T21:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T21:44:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T21:41:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-B-2009-01-05T21:57:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T21:44:00.000Z"></span>So if I understand you correctly, there is no civil way to criticize the actions of a longstanding editor? Deeceevoice stated that her edits were for the purpose of causing offense. It's not incivil to call that behavior unacceptable and state that it needs to be remedied. --<a href="/wiki/User:B" title="User:B">B</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:B" title="User talk:B">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-B-2009-01-05T21:57:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T21:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-B-2009-01-05T21:57:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T21:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-B-2009-01-05T21:57:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T21:44:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T22:04:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T21:57:00.000Z"></span>No, there's no civil way to refer to someone's behavior as trolling. You can, as you just had, call it unacceptable behavior that needs to be remedied without resorting to characterization. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T22:04:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T21:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T22:04:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T21:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T22:04:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T21:57:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deeceevoice-2009-01-06T15:11:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T21:57:00.000Z"></span>No, I didn't. I said, "Prepare to be offended." I <i>knew</i> (non-Black) people would take offense; they <i>always do</i> -- when the shoe is on the other foot. But that wasn't my purpose. I've stated -- repeatedly -- why I did what I did. <a href="/wiki/User:Deeceevoice" title="User:Deeceevoice">deeceevoice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deeceevoice" title="User talk:Deeceevoice">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Deeceevoice-2009-01-06T15:11:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T21:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 6 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deeceevoice-2009-01-06T15:11:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T21:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deeceevoice-2009-01-06T15:11:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T21:57:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-06T15:49:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T19:36:00.000Z"></span>Hey, Jp. :) I've thanked you on my talk page, but I thought I'd visit to say it again. Thanks.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>But you're wrong. I'm not angry. Suddenly feeling really fed up with the systemic bias of the project at seeing <a href="/wiki/Stereotypes_of_African_Americans" title="Stereotypes of African Americans">Stereotypes of African Americans</a> pop up on my watch list, I decided to do something about it. So far, it seems to be working at least with regard to the "Stereotypes of..." issue. And, no, I haven't been "victimized"; I'm not a victim. I've been (and continue to be) a target. There's a difference.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>And I've pressed my right to enter <i>perfectly legitimate</i> suggestions in an article talk space without being accused of "racism" (Jews are a race?), anti-Semitism and doing "original research." If I called some White (or Jewish, or Asian) a racist on Wikipedia without cause, I'd be admonished on the talk page, then yammered at endlessly on <i>my</i> talk page by a succession of righteously indignant/irate administrators and editors -- and then blocked on the quick.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>And you <i>know</i> I ain't lyin'. ;)</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Peace 2 you and yours, Jp, and good things in this new year. :) <a href="/wiki/User:Deeceevoice" title="User:Deeceevoice">User: deeceevoice</a> January 6, 2009. <dl><dd>Heya, thanks. I kinda thought you'd take a bit of exception to my characterization, but what the heck. I'm not sure how much difference there is between "fed up" and "moderately angry", but we each have our own sliding scales. "Victimized" vs "targeted" is subtle; I know some people understand "victimized" to mean accepting a role as victim, passively accepting their fate. I didn't mean it that way at all, certainly -- I've never seen you be passive about much of anything! Happy new years, friend. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-06T15:49:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T19:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-06T15:49:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T19:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-06T15:49:00.000Z-B-2009-01-05T19:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deeceevoice-2009-01-06T21:27:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-06T15:49:00.000Z"></span>Me? Passive? Heck, no. Not unless bribed with chocolate -- and lots of it. ;) <a href="/wiki/User:Deeceevoice" title="User:Deeceevoice">deeceevoice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deeceevoice" title="User talk:Deeceevoice">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Deeceevoice-2009-01-06T21:27:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-06T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deeceevoice-2009-01-06T21:27:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-06T15:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deeceevoice-2009-01-06T21:27:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-06T15:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Worldly_possessions,_etc" data-mw-thread-id="h-Worldly_possessions,_etc-2009-01-07T01:40:00.000Z"><span id="Worldly_possessions.2C_etc"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Worldly_possessions,_etc-2009-01-07T01:40:00.000Z"></span>Worldly possessions, etc<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Worldly_possessions,_etc-2009-01-07T01:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-2009-01-07T01:40:00.000Z-Worldly_possessions,_etc"></span>I also collect photography, and have some lovely prints by Henri Cartier-Bresson, Ansel Adams, Edward Weston, Ruth Bernhard, Paul Caponigro, and Diane Arbus....</i></dd></dl> <p>Not that it's any business of mine, but I wonder how. (Let's see: Some millionaire lost them to you in a card game, you got them in the 70s [?] before the "art" world went batshit, you're loaded with moolah....) The closest I get is a first edition of <a href="/wiki/Bill_Brandt" title="Bill Brandt">Brandt</a>'s <i>Perspectives of Nudes</i> which I found years ago amid a collection of vintage soft porn (!) in an obscure bookshop in an obscure Tokyo suburb, this before vintage porn itself became chic, so <i>Perspectives</i> cost peanuts. And a copy of <a href="/wiki/Martin_Parr" title="Martin Parr">Parr</a>'s <i>Bad Weather</i> that my father bought as a remainder for peanutlets; nobody had then heard of Parr and my father thought the photos were amusing (and this is still my favorite among Parr's books). Anyway, a gentleman of discernment such as yourself would be most welcome at the sleepy (I'm trying not to say moribund) "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_History_of_photography" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject History of photography">HOP</a>". -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Hoary-2009-01-07T01:40:00.000Z-Worldly_possessions,_etc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-2009-01-07T01:40:00.000Z-Worldly_possessions,_etc"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-2009-01-07T01:40:00.000Z-Worldly_possessions,_etc"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Orangemarlin_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Orangemarlin_2-2009-01-04T17:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Orangemarlin_2-2009-01-04T17:18:00.000Z"></span>Orangemarlin<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Orangemarlin_2-2009-01-04T17:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sceptre-2009-01-04T17:18:00.000Z-Orangemarlin_2"></span>Hi. As his (ex-?)mentor, you noted on RFAR after the secret hearings fiasco that, if made aware of it, you'd speak to OM about poor behaviour. Could you look into his recent contributions on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Stormfront_(website)" title="Talk:Stormfront (website)">Talk:Stormfront (website)</a>? I know that you disagree with me on how things should be worded in that article, and be more inclined to support his version, but his conduct is becoming worse by the post... <b><a href="/wiki/User:Sceptre" title="User:Sceptre">Sceptre</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sceptre" title="User talk:Sceptre">talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Sceptre-2009-01-04T17:18:00.000Z-Orangemarlin_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sceptre-2009-01-04T17:18:00.000Z-Orangemarlin_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sceptre-2009-01-04T17:18:00.000Z-Orangemarlin_2"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-04T18:00:00.000Z-Sceptre-2009-01-04T17:18:00.000Z"></span>Y'know, when you show up at a talk page you haven't been near in six months, in the middle of a heated argument involving someone you've a history of conflict with (to the point of being blocked for your own incivility toward him), you can pretty much expect to be responded to in the way you were. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-04T18:00:00.000Z-Sceptre-2009-01-04T17:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:00, 4 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-04T18:00:00.000Z-Sceptre-2009-01-04T17:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-04T18:00:00.000Z-Sceptre-2009-01-04T17:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sceptre-2009-01-04T18:17:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-04T18:00:00.000Z"></span>No-one else replied like that, so there's no reason why he should. It's not just me he's attacking, he's attacking Skomoroh and Franamax too (besides, I can hardly be blamed for not being active there; I took it off my watchlist, and then I was blocked...) <b><a href="/wiki/User:Sceptre" title="User:Sceptre">Sceptre</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sceptre" title="User talk:Sceptre">talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Sceptre-2009-01-04T18:17:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-04T18:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sceptre-2009-01-04T18:17:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-04T18:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sceptre-2009-01-04T18:17:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-04T18:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T05:41:00.000Z-Sceptre-2009-01-04T18:17:00.000Z"></span>You're engaging in hounding; I suggest you desist, as it is not helping anything. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T05:41:00.000Z-Sceptre-2009-01-04T18:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T05:41:00.000Z-Sceptre-2009-01-04T18:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-05T05:41:00.000Z-Sceptre-2009-01-04T18:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="UAA/AFD_incident_with_this_user" data-mw-thread-id="h-UAA/AFD_incident_with_this_user-Orangemarlin_2-2009-01-07T19:43:00.000Z"><span id="UAA.2FAFD_incident_with_this_user"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-UAA/AFD_incident_with_this_user-Orangemarlin_2-2009-01-07T19:43:00.000Z"></span>UAA/AFD incident with this user<span data-mw-comment-end="h-UAA/AFD_incident_with_this_user-Orangemarlin_2-2009-01-07T19:43:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daniel_Case-2009-01-07T19:43:00.000Z-UAA/AFD_incident_with_this_user"></span>I don't know, from the above, whether you still are actively doing this, but you might wish to take a look at first, a recent AFD where he <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stereotypes_of_Jews_(2nd_nomination)&diff=261971938&oldid=261969365">popped</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stereotypes_of_Jews_(2nd_nomination)&diff=261852836&oldid=261851603">off</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stereotypes_of_Jews_(2nd_nomination)&diff=261823680&oldid=261820828">on</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Die4Dixie" title="User:Die4Dixie">Die4Dixie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Die4Dixie" title="User talk:Die4Dixie">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Die4Dixie" title="Special:Contributions/Die4Dixie">contribs</a>), including a complaint about his username. Then he <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Usernames_for_administrator_attention&diff=262574824&oldid=262573361">followed through</a> on his threat to report his username. I and one of the other regular admins at UAA <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Usernames_for_administrator_attention&diff=262579739&oldid=262574873">noted</a> that there's little evidence that in the year and a half Die4Dixie has been editing that that name has caused problems with other editors. Then I found out what had gone on in the AfD, and as I <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Usernames_for_administrator_attention&diff=262586169&oldid=262585966">indicated</a> I really don't like it when people make reports to UAA as a form of payback. Just bringing this to your attention if you feel there's anything you can say to him. <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Case" title="User:Daniel Case">Daniel Case</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Case" title="User talk:Daniel Case">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Daniel_Case-2009-01-07T19:43:00.000Z-UAA/AFD_incident_with_this_user" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 7 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daniel_Case-2009-01-07T19:43:00.000Z-UAA/AFD_incident_with_this_user"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daniel_Case-2009-01-07T19:43:00.000Z-UAA/AFD_incident_with_this_user"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orangemarlin-2009-01-07T19:55:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2009-01-07T19:43:00.000Z"></span>Geez. Give good faith to him and not to me. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Orangemarlin" title="User:Orangemarlin"><span style="color:orange;"><b>Orange</b></span><span style="color:teal;"><b>Marlin</b></span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin" title="User talk:Orangemarlin">Talk•</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin" title="Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin">Contributions</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Orangemarlin-2009-01-07T19:55:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2009-01-07T19:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orangemarlin-2009-01-07T19:55:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2009-01-07T19:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orangemarlin-2009-01-07T19:55:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2009-01-07T19:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cast_your_mind_back..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Cast_your_mind_back...-2009-01-08T05:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cast_your_mind_back...-2009-01-08T05:21:00.000Z"></span>Cast your mind back...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cast_your_mind_back...-2009-01-08T05:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stephen-2009-01-08T05:21:00.000Z-Cast_your_mind_back..."></span>...a year and a half, and have a look at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brave_warrior" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Brave warrior">this one</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Stephen" title="User:Stephen">Step</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stephen" title="User talk:Stephen">hen</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Stephen-2009-01-08T05:21:00.000Z-Cast_your_mind_back..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stephen-2009-01-08T05:21:00.000Z-Cast_your_mind_back..."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stephen-2009-01-08T05:21:00.000Z-Cast_your_mind_back..."></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-08T05:29:00.000Z-Stephen-2009-01-08T05:21:00.000Z"></span>Heh, yeah, I noticed him at RFU. I'm actually a little inclined to suggest he be unblocked; worst that happens is we notice him misbehaving again and we block him again. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-08T05:29:00.000Z-Stephen-2009-01-08T05:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 8 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-08T05:29:00.000Z-Stephen-2009-01-08T05:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-08T05:29:00.000Z-Stephen-2009-01-08T05:21:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stephen-2009-01-08T06:08:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-08T05:29:00.000Z"></span>AGF and all that. I'll unblock and watch. --<a href="/wiki/User:Stephen" title="User:Stephen">Step</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stephen" title="User talk:Stephen">hen</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Stephen-2009-01-08T06:08:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-08T05:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:08, 8 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stephen-2009-01-08T06:08:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-08T05:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stephen-2009-01-08T06:08:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-08T05:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Protection_of_Joseph_Stalin_the_right_move,_but" data-mw-thread-id="h-Protection_of_Joseph_Stalin_the_right_move,_but-2009-01-12T04:25:00.000Z"><span id="Protection_of_Joseph_Stalin_the_right_move.2C_but"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Protection_of_Joseph_Stalin_the_right_move,_but-2009-01-12T04:25:00.000Z"></span>Protection of <a href="/wiki/Joseph_Stalin" title="Joseph Stalin">Joseph Stalin</a> the right move, but<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Protection_of_Joseph_Stalin_the_right_move,_but-2009-01-12T04:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mosedschurte-2009-01-12T04:25:00.000Z-Protection_of_Joseph_Stalin_the_right_move,_but"></span>as a heads up, just seconds before you protected the page (literally the exact same minute), User:Valeofruin wiped out the edits by multiple editors AGAIN, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_Stalin&diff=263520437&oldid=263519892">here</a>. </p><p>That's his sixth time in, I think, the last day. Numerous editors have reversed his massive wipeouts and I obviously took it to the ANI board (after I had warned him twice about it on the Talk page).<a href="/wiki/User:Mosedschurte" title="User:Mosedschurte">Mosedschurte</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mosedschurte" title="User talk:Mosedschurte">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Mosedschurte-2009-01-12T04:25:00.000Z-Protection_of_Joseph_Stalin_the_right_move,_but" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 12 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mosedschurte-2009-01-12T04:25:00.000Z-Protection_of_Joseph_Stalin_the_right_move,_but"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mosedschurte-2009-01-12T04:25:00.000Z-Protection_of_Joseph_Stalin_the_right_move,_but"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valeofruin-2009-01-12T04:26:00.000Z-Protection_of_Joseph_Stalin_the_right_move,_but"></span>There is more then just 1 side to this story, and before action is taken I would appreciate you at least hear them out. That is all I ask, for someone to simply lend me an ear. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Valeofruin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Valeofruin (page does not exist)">Valeofruin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valeofruin" title="User talk:Valeofruin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Valeofruin-2009-01-12T04:26:00.000Z-Protection_of_Joseph_Stalin_the_right_move,_but" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valeofruin-2009-01-12T04:26:00.000Z-Protection_of_Joseph_Stalin_the_right_move,_but"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valeofruin-2009-01-12T04:26:00.000Z-Protection_of_Joseph_Stalin_the_right_move,_but"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-12T04:36:00.000Z-Valeofruin-2009-01-12T04:26:00.000Z"></span>I'm not going to hear any of them. Take it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFPP">WP:RFPP</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-12T04:36:00.000Z-Valeofruin-2009-01-12T04:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:36, 12 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-12T04:36:00.000Z-Valeofruin-2009-01-12T04:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-12T04:36:00.000Z-Valeofruin-2009-01-12T04:26:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Motivez" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivez-2009-01-13T16:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivez-2009-01-13T16:34:00.000Z"></span>Motivez<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivez-2009-01-13T16:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-B-2009-01-13T16:34:00.000Z-Motivez"></span>Regarding <a href="/wiki/User:Motivez" title="User:Motivez">Motivez</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Motivez" title="User talk:Motivez">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Motivez" title="Special:Contributions/Motivez">contribs</a>), immediately after you declined his request, <a href="/wiki/User:BamaStangGuy" title="User:BamaStangGuy">BamaStangGuy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BamaStangGuy" title="User talk:BamaStangGuy">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/BamaStangGuy" title="Special:Contributions/BamaStangGuy">contribs</a>) showed up to revert the article. It may just be off-site canvassing, but can you check for sockpuppetry? Thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:B" title="User:B">B</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:B" title="User talk:B">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-B-2009-01-13T16:34:00.000Z-Motivez" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 13 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-B-2009-01-13T16:34:00.000Z-Motivez"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-B-2009-01-13T16:34:00.000Z-Motivez"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-13T16:37:00.000Z-B-2009-01-13T16:34:00.000Z"></span>Probably off-site canvassing. Checkuser shows nothing useful. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-13T16:37:00.000Z-B-2009-01-13T16:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 13 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-13T16:37:00.000Z-B-2009-01-13T16:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-13T16:37:00.000Z-B-2009-01-13T16:34:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-B-2009-01-13T16:52:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-13T16:37:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:B" title="User:B">B</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:B" title="User talk:B">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-B-2009-01-13T16:52:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-13T16:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-B-2009-01-13T16:52:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-13T16:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-B-2009-01-13T16:52:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-13T16:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_opinion,_please" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_opinion,_please-2008-12-28T19:50:00.000Z"><span id="Your_opinion.2C_please"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_opinion,_please-2008-12-28T19:50:00.000Z"></span>Your opinion, please<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_opinion,_please-2008-12-28T19:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-28T19:50:00.000Z-Your_opinion,_please"></span>Hi, I thought that you approached the discrimination against atheists situation quite reasonably, so I hope that you can present a third opinion on another dispute as well. </p><p>There is disagreement at <a href="/wiki/Indira_Gandhi_assassination" class="mw-redirect" title="Indira Gandhi assassination">Indira Gandhi assassination</a> over whether or not a source (by Professor Robert Hardgrave) describing the assassins as "extremist" should be included to describe the assassins as "extremist." The dispute stuck with edit summary communication at first, and eventually boiled over into the talk page. Two editors do not agree with Hardgrave's description and believed it to be "outdated." Eventually one of them claims to have contacted Professor Hardgrave by email, and posted the messages on the talk page. While I am not sure whether or not a claimed email discussion is sufficient to abrogate statements in an academic journal, I have given the other editor the benefit of the doubt and assumed that these emails were legitimate. The two editors believe that by saying that he knows of no evidence that the assassins were members of "extremist groups," Professor Hardgrave "retracted" the extremist description. I believe that this does not follow since we have no reason to assume that extremists must be members of extremist groups. </p><p>Please, if you have time, take a look at the dispute there yourself and present an opinion to help us out, because right now the discussion does not seem to be going anywhere. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)" title="User:A baby turkey (citation needed)">A baby turkey</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)" title="User talk:A baby turkey (citation needed)"><sup>[<i>citation needed</i>]</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-28T19:50:00.000Z-Your_opinion,_please" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 28 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-28T19:50:00.000Z-Your_opinion,_please"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-28T19:50:00.000Z-Your_opinion,_please"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-03T03:44:00.000Z-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-28T19:50:00.000Z"></span>Seems to me the dialogue is continuing. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-03T03:44:00.000Z-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-28T19:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-03T03:44:00.000Z-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-28T19:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-03T03:44:00.000Z-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2008-12-28T19:50:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2009-01-08T00:44:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-03T03:44:00.000Z"></span>Perhaps, but people actually respect your opinion... I keep getting accused of WP:ILIKEIT, and trying to "spread confusion." Maybe I'm a pessimist, but the direction the discussion has taken is hardly encouraging. Of course you aren't obligated to present a third opinion. Maybe I'll bring it up again with the admin (Ricky81682) who originally forged a compromise, which has since been demolished. Later, <a href="/wiki/User:A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)" title="User:A baby turkey (citation needed)">A baby turkey</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)" title="User talk:A baby turkey (citation needed)"><sup>[<i>citation needed</i>]</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2009-01-08T00:44:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-03T03:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2009-01-08T00:44:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-03T03:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2009-01-08T00:44:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-03T03:44:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2009-01-14T23:17:00.000Z-Your_opinion,_please"></span>In your experience, do RFCs really work? <a href="/wiki/User:A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)" title="User:A baby turkey (citation needed)">A baby turkey</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)" title="User talk:A baby turkey (citation needed)"><sup>[<i>citation needed</i>]</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2009-01-14T23:17:00.000Z-Your_opinion,_please" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2009-01-14T23:17:00.000Z-Your_opinion,_please"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_baby_turkey_(citation_needed)-2009-01-14T23:17:00.000Z-Your_opinion,_please"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Block_of_AzureFury" data-mw-thread-id="h-Block_of_AzureFury-2009-01-15T16:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Block_of_AzureFury-2009-01-15T16:35:00.000Z"></span>Block of AzureFury<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Block_of_AzureFury-2009-01-15T16:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:35:00.000Z-Block_of_AzureFury"></span>Hi. This is to inform you that I have lifted your block of <a href="/wiki/User:AzureFury" title="User:AzureFury">AzureFury</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AzureFury" title="User talk:AzureFury">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AzureFury" title="Special:Contributions/AzureFury">contribs</a>) based on that user's unblock request because I have found the block to be a clear-cut violation of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BP">the blocking policy</a>. Specifically, you blocked the user despite being engaged in a content dispute with him, as seen at <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discrimination_against_atheists&diff=263757506&oldid=263739918">[15]</a> and on the article's talk page, which gives rise to the impression that you blocked that user to further your own position in a content dispute. Moreover, there is no disruption in that editor's recent contribution history that I can see. Best regards, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Sandstein" title="User:Sandstein"><span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;"><b> Sandstein </b></span></a></span></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:35:00.000Z-Block_of_AzureFury" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:35:00.000Z-Block_of_AzureFury"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:35:00.000Z-Block_of_AzureFury"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elonka-2009-01-15T16:44:00.000Z-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:35:00.000Z"></span>I'd been looking into the situation as well, and was about to post here questioning the block, but I see Sandstein beat me to it. Sandstein, I agree that the block was questionable, but I probably would have given Jpgordon the option to lift the block himself, rather than just lifting it without giving him a chance to reply. --<a href="/wiki/User:Elonka" title="User:Elonka">El</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elonka" title="User talk:Elonka">on</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Elonka" title="Special:Contributions/Elonka">ka</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Elonka-2009-01-15T16:44:00.000Z-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elonka-2009-01-15T16:44:00.000Z-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elonka-2009-01-15T16:44:00.000Z-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:47:00.000Z-Elonka-2009-01-15T16:44:00.000Z"></span>You may be right. I did not mean to be rude by not doing that, but my understanding of our unblocking rules and practice is that the opinion of the blocking administrator should always be sought, except - as here - in the case of obviously inadmissible blocks. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Sandstein" title="User:Sandstein"><span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;"><b> Sandstein </b></span></a></span></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:47:00.000Z-Elonka-2009-01-15T16:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 15 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:47:00.000Z-Elonka-2009-01-15T16:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:47:00.000Z-Elonka-2009-01-15T16:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-15T16:53:00.000Z-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:47:00.000Z"></span>I'll assume that you guys will be monitoring that article, then. Have fun. (You're right about unblocking, certainly; but you're wrong about the disruption.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-15T16:53:00.000Z-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-15T16:53:00.000Z-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-15T16:53:00.000Z-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:57:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-15T16:53:00.000Z"></span>That may well be the case. If you would like me to, I'll act as uninvolved administrator on request to evaluate whether someone's actions with respect to that article constitute blockable disruption. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Sandstein" title="User:Sandstein"><span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;"><b> Sandstein </b></span></a></span></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:57:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-15T16:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:57:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-15T16:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:57:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-15T16:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elonka-2009-01-15T17:27:00.000Z-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:57:00.000Z"></span>Yes, I've got it on my watchlist now as well, and have posted both at the talkpage and at AzureFury's talkpage. If anyone continues to edit-war to insert unsourced information, there will indeed be another block in their future. --<a href="/wiki/User:Elonka" title="User:Elonka">El</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elonka" title="User talk:Elonka">on</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Elonka" title="Special:Contributions/Elonka">ka</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Elonka-2009-01-15T17:27:00.000Z-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 15 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elonka-2009-01-15T17:27:00.000Z-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elonka-2009-01-15T17:27:00.000Z-Sandstein-2009-01-15T16:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-15T17:32:00.000Z-Elonka-2009-01-15T17:27:00.000Z"></span>Cool. Thanks! --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-15T17:32:00.000Z-Elonka-2009-01-15T17:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-15T17:32:00.000Z-Elonka-2009-01-15T17:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-15T17:32:00.000Z-Elonka-2009-01-15T17:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-16T06:44:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-15T17:32:00.000Z"></span>Oh, and by the way, don't worry about being rude. I'm a big boy; if I screw up and you can righteously nail me on it like this, be my guest. Keeps me honest. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-16T06:44:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-15T17:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-16T06:44:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-15T17:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-16T06:44:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-15T17:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Abusive_User" data-mw-thread-id="h-Abusive_User-2009-01-18T02:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Abusive_User-2009-01-18T02:18:00.000Z"></span>Abusive User<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Abusive_User-2009-01-18T02:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bluecord'sAgenda-2009-01-18T02:18:00.000Z-Abusive_User"></span>The following user <a href="/wiki/User:Double_Fanucci" title="User:Double Fanucci">Double Fanucci</a> has been placing a sockpuppet accusation on my user page. What can be done about this?<a href="/wiki/User:Bluecord%27sAgenda" title="User:Bluecord'sAgenda">Bluecord'sAgenda</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluecord%27sAgenda" title="User talk:Bluecord'sAgenda">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Bluecord'sAgenda-2009-01-18T02:18:00.000Z-Abusive_User" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bluecord'sAgenda-2009-01-18T02:18:00.000Z-Abusive_User"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bluecord'sAgenda-2009-01-18T02:18:00.000Z-Abusive_User"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-18T02:36:00.000Z-Bluecord'sAgenda-2009-01-18T02:18:00.000Z"></span>Well, since your very first edit was to mark yourself as a sockpuppet -- nothing. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-18T02:36:00.000Z-Bluecord'sAgenda-2009-01-18T02:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:36, 18 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-18T02:36:00.000Z-Bluecord'sAgenda-2009-01-18T02:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-18T02:36:00.000Z-Bluecord'sAgenda-2009-01-18T02:18:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Anti-Semitism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Anti-Semitism-2009-01-20T03:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Anti-Semitism-2009-01-20T03:43:00.000Z"></span>Anti-Semitism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Anti-Semitism-2009-01-20T03:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T03:43:00.000Z-Anti-Semitism"></span>I was wondering if you would take another look at the lede. It seems that its use has not been "exclusively" limited to describe hostility towards Jews. This rather restrictive idea is almost a direct quote from Bernard Lewis. Exclusively would mean that it has never been used to refer to any thing else. Could the lede maybe be made a little less restrictive?<a href="/wiki/User:Die4Dixie" title="User:Die4Dixie">Die4Dixie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Die4Dixie" title="User talk:Die4Dixie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T03:43:00.000Z-Anti-Semitism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:43, 20 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T03:43:00.000Z-Anti-Semitism"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T03:43:00.000Z-Anti-Semitism"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T03:45:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T03:43:00.000Z"></span>Well, "exclusively" is a bit much. "Almost exclusively" would be more accurate, though "exclusively" is correct if one is referring to <i>correct</i> usage; anyone, of course, can use a word incorrectly, but that doesn't change its meaning. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T03:45:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T03:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:45, 20 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T03:45:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T03:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T03:45:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T03:43:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T13:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T03:45:00.000Z"></span>This term has now been used in academic circles and in peer reviewed literature, notably by the scholars whom I mentioned on the talkpage. This use has been used in the reliable media when reporting on this usage. I might compare it to the 'n' word. At one time its use was very restricted, while now it has a much wider meaning to include those who are marginalized or disenfranchised [<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nigger">[16]</a>] (see #3). When it was first used like this, was it incorrect? I don't really know. I do know that if Wikipedia were to say that the word "exclusively" is a pejorative term to describe "members of the dark skinned races" ( as dictionaries once defined the word), Wikipedia would be wrong. I think that this is a direct parallel, and the article in this case is wrong and inaccurate. To promote the view that it is "exclusively" reserved for anti-Jewish thoughts , words or deeds is pushing a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a> violation view, IMHO. Dunno if this might change your opinion on the lede any, but there is no harm in discussing it.<a href="/wiki/User:Die4Dixie" title="User:Die4Dixie">Die4Dixie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Die4Dixie" title="User talk:Die4Dixie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T13:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T03:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T13:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T03:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T13:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T03:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T16:04:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T13:02:00.000Z"></span>The term has been inaccurately used, yes, generally to make political points. "Antisemitism" means one thing and one thing only, regardless of how it has been misused. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T16:04:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T13:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 20 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T16:04:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T13:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T16:04:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T13:02:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T16:44:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T13:02:00.000Z"></span>Words do mean different things as languages evolve. The word "cunning" doesn't mean the same thing that it did in the King James Version of the Bible. Sociologists have changed what the meaning of "minority" is to mean the member of a non dominate group, even if they are a numerical majority. Afro-centric scholars have redefined "racism" in terms of power to exclude African-Americans from the definition. These are all examples of words being redefined, and they all are of encyclopedic interest. The scholars that have written about the new anti-Semitism are far more knowledgeable about the subject than I am. On one hand I have an editor/ admin whom I respect saying one thing, and on the other I have notable experts in the field saying another. Which is a humble editor to believe? One that says that exclusive is restrictive, but accurate enough for the project, or experts in their fields who have reliably reported another use in academic/ peer reviewed papers and even a book dedicated to the subject? What to do when one expert says," Never, ever , ever, X!" , and another equally notable expert not only affirms X, but uses X? My interpretation of the policy is that the new use of anti-Semitism reaches the threshold of notable, although a minority view. When the majority view says that the minority view doesn't exist( as we have seen it does indeed do) we need to a tribute directly to those who make the statement that the minority view doesn't exist, lest it appear that it is WIkipedia that errs in saying that the view/ usage doesn't. Then we incorporate the material in a balanced way as not to give it undue weight, but allowing enough space to cover the minority view.<a href="/wiki/User:Die4Dixie" title="User:Die4Dixie">Die4Dixie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Die4Dixie" title="User talk:Die4Dixie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T16:44:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T13:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T16:44:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T13:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T16:44:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-20T13:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-21T17:03:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T16:44:00.000Z"></span>Shrug. It's not Wikipedia's job to extend neologism, or to promote the political re-definition of well-known words. Anyway, this discussion is suited for the article talk page, not here. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-21T17:03:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T16:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-21T17:03:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T16:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-21T17:03:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T16:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T17:07:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T03:45:00.000Z"></span>Cool. You know this isn't adversarial on my part, I hope.<a href="/wiki/User:Die4Dixie" title="User:Die4Dixie">Die4Dixie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Die4Dixie" title="User talk:Die4Dixie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T17:07:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T03:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 21 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T17:07:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T03:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T17:07:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T03:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Spelling" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spelling-Anti-Semitism-2009-01-22T05:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Spelling-Anti-Semitism-2009-01-22T05:15:00.000Z"></span>Spelling<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Spelling-Anti-Semitism-2009-01-22T05:15:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnicornTapestry-2009-01-22T05:15:00.000Z-Spelling"></span>In your post about spelling, your first comment was right on the mark, but I'm not sure its meaning was fully understood. </p><p>We DO have a definitive spelling of anti-Semitism and, if I read the archives correctly, it was changed to the WRONG spelling, according to OED, Websters, AHED, and every other English dictionary. (I posted a list of 20 references further up the page.) </p><p>Would you mind stepping into the fray? I've ignored a couple of not-too-bad personal comments and I'm not being combative, but to me it's embarrassing Wikipedia is going up against venerable dictionaries and encyclopedias with a neologist (possibly German) spelling. </p><p>Thanks for taking a look. --<a href="/wiki/User:UnicornTapestry" title="User:UnicornTapestry">UnicornTapestry</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnicornTapestry" title="User talk:UnicornTapestry">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-UnicornTapestry-2009-01-22T05:15:00.000Z-Spelling" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:15, 22 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnicornTapestry-2009-01-22T05:15:00.000Z-Spelling"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnicornTapestry-2009-01-22T05:15:00.000Z-Spelling"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Redux" data-mw-thread-id="h-Redux-2009-01-21T20:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Redux-2009-01-21T20:21:00.000Z"></span>Redux<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Redux-2009-01-21T20:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T20:21:00.000Z-Redux"></span>I copied the above conversation to the talkpage. If I did it the wrong way and it needs some qualification, I mean well and if you would tell me how to do it right or show me, I'd be happy to do it. I also made an edit there changing ' exclusively" to "traditionally". Orange Marlin objected, so i have reverted. I think either attributing " exclusively" to Lewis or changing to the less restrictive "traditionally" would make me happier than a pig in shit. I think they are reasonable compromises. I had noted the change on the talkpage, so my comments here have'nt excluded the other editors.<a href="/wiki/User:Die4Dixie" title="User:Die4Dixie">Die4Dixie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Die4Dixie" title="User talk:Die4Dixie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T20:21:00.000Z-Redux" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T20:21:00.000Z-Redux"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T20:21:00.000Z-Redux"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-21T20:40:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T20:21:00.000Z"></span>I'm wary of "tradition", but that's only because it bothers me to think of something relatively recently invented as being any sort of tradition. (For example, the <a href="/wiki/Pho" title="Pho">Pho</a> article refers to it as a traditional Vietnamese dish, but darn it, it's only about a hundred years old, and traditional Vietnamese food is quite different.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-21T20:40:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T20:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-21T20:40:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T20:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-21T20:40:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T20:21:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T21:24:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-21T20:40:00.000Z"></span>JP, I have a Wiki essay to write before I go too much further about my views on Palestine and the Israeli-Arab conflict, as one editor has expressed a concern slyly. Not one of the editors involved in the discussion now. I'll write it over the next day and post it before I actively edit in peripherally related articles. Thanks, and I'll be back soon.<a href="/wiki/User:Die4Dixie" title="User:Die4Dixie">Die4Dixie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Die4Dixie" title="User talk:Die4Dixie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T21:24:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-21T20:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T21:24:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-21T20:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Die4Dixie-2009-01-21T21:24:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-21T20:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)-2009-01-20T20:41:00.000Z"><span id="Re:_The_Chosen_.28Chaim_Potok.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)-2009-01-20T20:41:00.000Z"></span>Re: <a href="/wiki/The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)" class="mw-redirect" title="The Chosen (Chaim Potok)">The Chosen (Chaim Potok)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)-2009-01-20T20:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zephyrad-2009-01-20T20:41:00.000Z-Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)"></span>Hi... didn't mean to cramp your style if I did; I was actually trying to revert the page to your last good version. I get so tired of seeing this article vandalized EVERY flipping week. (Or seems like it is, anyway.) I have to wonder what draws so much attention to it. <a href="/wiki/User:Zephyrad" title="User:Zephyrad">Zephyrad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zephyrad" title="User talk:Zephyrad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Zephyrad-2009-01-20T20:41:00.000Z-Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zephyrad-2009-01-20T20:41:00.000Z-Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zephyrad-2009-01-20T20:41:00.000Z-Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T22:19:00.000Z-Zephyrad-2009-01-20T20:41:00.000Z"></span>Oh, no problem. I just went a bit further back than you did. It does get vandalized pretty regularly, but not enough to warrant protection; besides, I play pretty close attention to it - my Dad wrote the screenplay of the movie - so it rarely stays broken for long. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T22:19:00.000Z-Zephyrad-2009-01-20T20:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 20 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T22:19:00.000Z-Zephyrad-2009-01-20T20:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T22:19:00.000Z-Zephyrad-2009-01-20T20:41:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zephyrad-2009-01-22T04:30:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T22:19:00.000Z"></span>That's cool... and at least you're not putting an OR spin on it. ;-) I read the book and saw the movie in high school, and admired both. (The DVD's in my collection now, and the book's in storage.) My dad had Jewish friends in his youth, around this same time period, and it's nice to get a glimpse into the world they knew. <a href="/wiki/User:Zephyrad" title="User:Zephyrad">Zephyrad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zephyrad" title="User talk:Zephyrad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Zephyrad-2009-01-22T04:30:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T22:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 22 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zephyrad-2009-01-22T04:30:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T22:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zephyrad-2009-01-22T04:30:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-01-20T22:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ssp" data-mw-thread-id="h-ssp-2009-01-23T04:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ssp-2009-01-23T04:41:00.000Z"></span>ssp<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ssp-2009-01-23T04:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/76.177.224.238"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Keeper76-2009-01-23T04:41:00.000Z-ssp"></span>This ip</a> is going around adding a sock template to random pages related to "blucord". I blocked the ip. fyi, anything need cleaning up? <a href="/wiki/User:Keeper76" title="User:Keeper76"><span style="color:#21421E; font-family:comic sans ms;">Keeper</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Keeper76" title="User talk:Keeper76"><span style="color:#CC7722; font-family:Papyrus;">76</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Keeper76-2009-01-23T04:41:00.000Z-ssp" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Keeper76-2009-01-23T04:41:00.000Z-ssp"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Keeper76-2009-01-23T04:41:00.000Z-ssp"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-23T05:05:00.000Z-Keeper76-2009-01-23T04:41:00.000Z"></span>I found a related userid and blocked it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-23T05:05:00.000Z-Keeper76-2009-01-23T04:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:05, 23 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-23T05:05:00.000Z-Keeper76-2009-01-23T04:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-23T05:05:00.000Z-Keeper76-2009-01-23T04:41:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="stomping_on_toes" data-mw-thread-id="h-stomping_on_toes-2009-01-23T14:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-stomping_on_toes-2009-01-23T14:16:00.000Z"></span>stomping on toes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-stomping_on_toes-2009-01-23T14:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LimeyBugger-2009-01-23T14:16:00.000Z-stomping_on_toes"></span>Looks like I stomped on someone's toes. </p><p>You shot down some "anti-semitic" and "anti-zionist" statements someone wanted included in <a href="/wiki/Amy_goodman" class="mw-redirect" title="Amy goodman">amy goodman</a>'s article. However, one of the older users put it in, 2 years after the argument. </p><p>Now, I'm pretty new to this, but an argument that's 2 years old and has been thoroughly discredited by an "authority" (ya, I'm going to saddle you with that) - including it seems to be pretty daft. </p><p>No idea what sort of feedback may be involved. I put an analysis justifying why I ripped it out, and only afterwards realized you'd addressed THAT EXACT ISSUE in 5/2006! Care to loosen your machete in it's sheath, in case they try to resurrect the vampire you staked oh so long ago? Puhleez? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LimeyBugger&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LimeyBugger (page does not exist)">LimeyBugger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LimeyBugger" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:LimeyBugger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-LimeyBugger-2009-01-23T14:16:00.000Z-stomping_on_toes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 23 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LimeyBugger-2009-01-23T14:16:00.000Z-stomping_on_toes"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LimeyBugger-2009-01-23T14:16:00.000Z-stomping_on_toes"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-23T16:32:00.000Z-LimeyBugger-2009-01-23T14:16:00.000Z"></span>I'll keep my eyes open. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-23T16:32:00.000Z-LimeyBugger-2009-01-23T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-23T16:32:00.000Z-LimeyBugger-2009-01-23T14:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-23T16:32:00.000Z-LimeyBugger-2009-01-23T14:16:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LimeyBugger-2009-01-24T12:49:00.000Z-LimeyBugger-2009-01-23T14:16:00.000Z"></span>Hate to ask this of you, but can you pull out your machete? It's still on talk, but the discussion is rapidly degrading, heading towards a flame war if I'm any judge. An authoritative comment would head things off. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LimeyBugger&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LimeyBugger (page does not exist)">LimeyBugger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LimeyBugger" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:LimeyBugger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-LimeyBugger-2009-01-24T12:49:00.000Z-LimeyBugger-2009-01-23T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LimeyBugger-2009-01-24T12:49:00.000Z-LimeyBugger-2009-01-23T14:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LimeyBugger-2009-01-24T12:49:00.000Z-LimeyBugger-2009-01-23T14:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LimeyBugger-2009-01-24T16:25:00.000Z-LimeyBugger-2009-01-24T12:49:00.000Z"></span>Much happiness! Cheers <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LimeyBugger&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LimeyBugger (page does not exist)">LimeyBugger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LimeyBugger" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:LimeyBugger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-LimeyBugger-2009-01-24T16:25:00.000Z-LimeyBugger-2009-01-24T12:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LimeyBugger-2009-01-24T16:25:00.000Z-LimeyBugger-2009-01-24T12:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LimeyBugger-2009-01-24T16:25:00.000Z-LimeyBugger-2009-01-24T12:49:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GrizzledOldMan-2009-01-24T17:35:00.000Z-LimeyBugger-2009-01-24T12:49:00.000Z"></span>Sniff sniff.... that's what you get for getting the attention of the powers that be... "suggested" name change. You're all a bunch of meanies! :) <a href="/wiki/User:GrizzledOldMan" title="User:GrizzledOldMan">GrizzledOldMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GrizzledOldMan" title="User talk:GrizzledOldMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-GrizzledOldMan-2009-01-24T17:35:00.000Z-LimeyBugger-2009-01-24T12:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GrizzledOldMan-2009-01-24T17:35:00.000Z-LimeyBugger-2009-01-24T12:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GrizzledOldMan-2009-01-24T17:35:00.000Z-LimeyBugger-2009-01-24T12:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="can_i_be_a_wikipedia_sysop" data-mw-thread-id="h-can_i_be_a_wikipedia_sysop-2009-01-28T04:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-can_i_be_a_wikipedia_sysop-2009-01-28T04:33:00.000Z"></span>can i be a wikipedia sysop<span data-mw-comment-end="h-can_i_be_a_wikipedia_sysop-2009-01-28T04:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chillum-2009-01-28T04:33:00.000Z-can_i_be_a_wikipedia_sysop"></span>or a higher user <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jinjajames&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jinjajames (page does not exist)">Jinjajames</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jinjajames" title="User talk:Jinjajames">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jinjajames" title="Special:Contributions/Jinjajames">contribs</a>) 04:32, 28 January 2009</span></small> </p> <dl><dd>Highness is a state of mind. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chillum" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Chillum"><span style="color:green;"><b>Chillum</b></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Chillum-2009-01-28T04:33:00.000Z-can_i_be_a_wikipedia_sysop" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chillum-2009-01-28T04:33:00.000Z-can_i_be_a_wikipedia_sysop"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chillum-2009-01-28T04:33:00.000Z-can_i_be_a_wikipedia_sysop"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Berean_Hunter-2009-01-28T04:39:00.000Z-Chillum-2009-01-28T04:33:00.000Z"></span>...or a condition brought on by funny agriculture. ;)<br/><a href="/wiki/User:Berean_Hunter" title="User:Berean Hunter"><span style="font-family:High Tower Text; font-size:small;"><b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Berean_Hunter" title="User talk:Berean Hunter"><b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Berean_Hunter-2009-01-28T04:39:00.000Z-Chillum-2009-01-28T04:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:39, 28 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Berean_Hunter-2009-01-28T04:39:00.000Z-Chillum-2009-01-28T04:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Berean_Hunter-2009-01-28T04:39:00.000Z-Chillum-2009-01-28T04:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reso_uke" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reso_uke-2009-01-29T00:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reso_uke-2009-01-29T00:17:00.000Z"></span>Reso uke<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reso_uke-2009-01-29T00:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MatthewVanitas-2009-01-29T00:17:00.000Z-Reso_uke"></span>I had one, an Ashbury, last year and used it for some open-mics and such. Then sold it since the area where I was living (Newfoundland) didn't have any and I thought it'd be fun to "introduce" it to the local area. Haven't replaced it yet, since shortly thereafter I bought a Meles 8-string tenor and really love it, so it's my main uke now. 8-strings are great, definitely worth messing with. Not as good for melodic work, but really rich chords. <a href="/wiki/User:MatthewVanitas" title="User:MatthewVanitas">MatthewVanitas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MatthewVanitas" title="User talk:MatthewVanitas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-MatthewVanitas-2009-01-29T00:17:00.000Z-Reso_uke" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 29 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MatthewVanitas-2009-01-29T00:17:00.000Z-Reso_uke"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MatthewVanitas-2009-01-29T00:17:00.000Z-Reso_uke"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-29T01:24:00.000Z-MatthewVanitas-2009-01-29T00:17:00.000Z"></span>I'm also wanting to get my hands on a tiple; very curious what playing them feels like. Though, frankly, four strings for four fingers does seem ideal. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-01-29T01:24:00.000Z-MatthewVanitas-2009-01-29T00:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:24, 29 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-29T01:24:00.000Z-MatthewVanitas-2009-01-29T00:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-01-29T01:24:00.000Z-MatthewVanitas-2009-01-29T00:17:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You_have" data-mw-thread-id="h-You_have-2009-02-03T21:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You_have-2009-02-03T21:38:00.000Z"></span>You have<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You_have-2009-02-03T21:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-02-03T21:38:00.000Z-You_have"></span>mail. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Die4Dixie" title="User:Die4Dixie">Die4Dixie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Die4Dixie" title="User talk:Die4Dixie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Die4Dixie-2009-02-03T21:38:00.000Z-You_have" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 3 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-02-03T21:38:00.000Z-You_have"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Die4Dixie-2009-02-03T21:38:00.000Z-You_have"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-03T22:51:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-02-03T21:38:00.000Z"></span>Done. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-02-03T22:51:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-02-03T21:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-03T22:51:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-02-03T21:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-03T22:51:00.000Z-Die4Dixie-2009-02-03T21:38:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-02-03T22:52:00.000Z-You_have"></span>Thanks.<a href="/wiki/User:Die4Dixie" title="User:Die4Dixie">Die4Dixie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Die4Dixie" title="User talk:Die4Dixie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Die4Dixie-2009-02-03T22:52:00.000Z-You_have" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-02-03T22:52:00.000Z-You_have"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Die4Dixie-2009-02-03T22:52:00.000Z-You_have"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Holocaust_Lead" data-mw-thread-id="h-Holocaust_Lead-2009-02-04T21:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Holocaust_Lead-2009-02-04T21:14:00.000Z"></span>Holocaust Lead<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Holocaust_Lead-2009-02-04T21:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joel_Mc-2009-02-04T21:14:00.000Z-Holocaust_Lead"></span>Thanks for grasping the nettle, I couldn't agree more and will certainly support you when the shit hits the fan...The problem is while Niewyk admits that the position that the Holocaust as the genocide of the Jews is the "commonly defined" one, he strangely decides a larger definition by including the handicapped and the Gypsies. I have already indicated some objective reasons for the narrower definition in the talk page: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Holocaust#Edits_re:_Holocaust_definition_in_first_para">[17]</a> </p><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Joel_Mc" title="User:Joel Mc">Joel Mc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joel_Mc" title="User talk:Joel Mc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Joel_Mc-2009-02-04T21:14:00.000Z-Holocaust_Lead" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 4 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joel_Mc-2009-02-04T21:14:00.000Z-Holocaust_Lead"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joel_Mc-2009-02-04T21:14:00.000Z-Holocaust_Lead"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]-2009-02-05T19:35:00.000Z"><span id="Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this.3F.5B18.5D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]-2009-02-05T19:35:00.000Z"></span>Can you make any sense of this?<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_harrison#Banning">[18]</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]-2009-02-05T19:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deeceevoice-2009-02-05T19:35:00.000Z-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]"></span>I'm not asking you to intervene. I just want answers. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Deeceevoice" title="User:Deeceevoice">deeceevoice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deeceevoice" title="User talk:Deeceevoice">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Deeceevoice-2009-02-05T19:35:00.000Z-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deeceevoice-2009-02-05T19:35:00.000Z-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deeceevoice-2009-02-05T19:35:00.000Z-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deeceevoice-2009-02-05T20:02:00.000Z-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]"></span>I saw your comment. Thanks, JP. As near as I can tell, Harrison's got his jaws tight over me challenging his, IMO (and an opinion shared by others), precipitous lockdown of the article and this.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ancient_Egyptian_race_controversy&diff=268724447&oldid=268724189">[19]</a> Absent any attempt at explanation, my guess is he's trying to throw his weight around and prove that, since he's an admin, he can do anything he pleases. <a href="/wiki/User:Deeceevoice" title="User:Deeceevoice">deeceevoice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deeceevoice" title="User talk:Deeceevoice">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Deeceevoice-2009-02-05T20:02:00.000Z-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 5 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deeceevoice-2009-02-05T20:02:00.000Z-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deeceevoice-2009-02-05T20:02:00.000Z-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deeceevoice-2009-02-05T20:59:00.000Z-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]"></span>JP, I haven't taken the time to read the stuff on Harrison's page; I just can't. I'm in the middle of a <i>terrible</i> deadline crunch, exacerbated by the time I've already spent here today. But I wanted to drop by to say thanks. You did more than I asked. </p><p>From a quick glance at the comments, it looks as though the ban may have grounds, technically -- even though those of us involved in all of this know it is <i>wholly</i> unjustified. But *chuckling* you win some, you lose some. ;) Even if it's the case that the ban sticks, I'm not in the least nonplussed. </p><p>I'm cool. </p><p>All things considered, Wikipedia is a minuscule part of my life -- a place to go to kill time when I need a break from a tedious work project. If the ban sticks, then I'll be less likely to be under the gun -- as I am now -- from having wasted far too much time here. </p><p>And that's a good thing. The project's not going anywhere -- (an unintended double entendre!) -- and no one editor is indispensable. </p><p>Thanks for taking the time. </p><p>Stay well. Peace! <a href="/wiki/User:Deeceevoice" title="User:Deeceevoice">deeceevoice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deeceevoice" title="User talk:Deeceevoice">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Deeceevoice-2009-02-05T20:59:00.000Z-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deeceevoice-2009-02-05T20:59:00.000Z-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deeceevoice-2009-02-05T20:59:00.000Z-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-05T21:14:00.000Z-Deeceevoice-2009-02-05T20:59:00.000Z"></span>You too. Always good to see you here. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-02-05T21:14:00.000Z-Deeceevoice-2009-02-05T20:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 5 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-05T21:14:00.000Z-Deeceevoice-2009-02-05T20:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-05T21:14:00.000Z-Deeceevoice-2009-02-05T20:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deeceevoice-2009-02-06T18:52:00.000Z-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]"></span>FYI, that silly ban was overturned. ;) <a href="/wiki/User:Deeceevoice" title="User:Deeceevoice">deeceevoice</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deeceevoice" title="User talk:Deeceevoice">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Deeceevoice-2009-02-06T18:52:00.000Z-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 6 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deeceevoice-2009-02-06T18:52:00.000Z-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deeceevoice-2009-02-06T18:52:00.000Z-Can_you_make_any_sense_of_this?[18]"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia_Signpost,_February_8,_2009" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia_Signpost,_February_8,_2009-2009-02-09T15:35:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia_Signpost.2C_February_8.2C_2009"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia_Signpost,_February_8,_2009-2009-02-09T15:35:00.000Z"></span><i>Wikipedia Signpost</i>, February 8, 2009<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia_Signpost,_February_8,_2009-2009-02-09T15:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table width="90%" cellspacing="0" align="center" style="background-color:transparent;"> <tbody><tr> <th><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ragesoss-2009-02-09T15:35:00.000Z-Wikipedia_Signpost,_February_8,_2009"></span><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WikipediaSignpostHead.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="The Wikipedia Signpost"><img alt="The Wikipedia Signpost" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/WikipediaSignpostHead.svg/500px-WikipediaSignpostHead.svg.png" decoding="async" width="500" height="64" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/WikipediaSignpostHead.svg/750px-WikipediaSignpostHead.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/WikipediaSignpostHead.svg/1000px-WikipediaSignpostHead.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="64"/></a><figcaption>The Wikipedia Signpost</figcaption></figure><span style="position: relative; 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I'm trying to run down other socks of the same puppeteer, I was wondering if this was from a CU or from other evidence? From direct evidence, I believe there are several others that are definitely socks of the same, I'd like to find something more definitive. Any help or suggestions nailing these down would be appreciated. FWIW, my notes on some of these can be found <a href="/wiki/User:Akradecki/plmsocktrack" title="User:Akradecki/plmsocktrack">here</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Akradecki" title="User:Akradecki"><span style="color:#62BB32;">AK<span style="color:#006400;">Radecki</span></span></a></b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Akradecki" title="User talk:Akradecki"><sup style="color:#62BB32;">Speaketh</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Akradecki-2009-02-11T02:48:00.000Z-Sock_confirmation_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Akradecki-2009-02-11T02:48:00.000Z-Sock_confirmation_question"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Akradecki-2009-02-11T02:48:00.000Z-Sock_confirmation_question"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-11T04:26:00.000Z-Akradecki-2009-02-11T02:48:00.000Z"></span>It was a real obvious checkuser result, as are all the others you listed. One was not blocked; I took care of <a href="/wiki/User:PLM_Clan" title="User:PLM Clan">User:PLM Clan</a>. Let me know if you need me to check any unblocked users, or verify ones you suspect. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-02-11T04:26:00.000Z-Akradecki-2009-02-11T02:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-11T04:26:00.000Z-Akradecki-2009-02-11T02:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-11T04:26:00.000Z-Akradecki-2009-02-11T02:48:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Akradecki-2009-02-11T17:54:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-11T04:26:00.000Z"></span>Many thanks...I'll holler if I find more. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Akradecki" title="User:Akradecki"><span style="color:#62BB32;">AK<span style="color:#006400;">Radecki</span></span></a></b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Akradecki" title="User talk:Akradecki"><sup style="color:#62BB32;">Speaketh</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Akradecki-2009-02-11T17:54:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-11T04:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 11 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Akradecki-2009-02-11T17:54:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-11T04:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Akradecki-2009-02-11T17:54:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-11T04:26:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Ancient_sunburst" title="User:Ancient sunburst"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Akradecki-2009-02-12T02:53:00.000Z-Akradecki-2009-02-11T17:54:00.000Z"></span>User:Ancient sunburst</a> was blocked for being a sock, and appealed, which I declined after reviewing his edit history (seems pretty clear, to me). However, he's appealed the block again...any chance you can confirm that this, too, is really a sock? Thanks! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Akradecki" title="User:Akradecki"><span style="color:#62BB32;">AK<span style="color:#006400;">Radecki</span></span></a></b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Akradecki" title="User talk:Akradecki"><sup style="color:#62BB32;">Speaketh</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Akradecki-2009-02-12T02:53:00.000Z-Akradecki-2009-02-11T17:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Akradecki-2009-02-12T02:53:00.000Z-Akradecki-2009-02-11T17:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Akradecki-2009-02-12T02:53:00.000Z-Akradecki-2009-02-11T17:54:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-12T06:35:00.000Z-Akradecki-2009-02-12T02:53:00.000Z"></span>Yup. Y'know, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DUCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DUCK">WP:DUCK</a> should work for these. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-02-12T06:35:00.000Z-Akradecki-2009-02-12T02:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-12T06:35:00.000Z-Akradecki-2009-02-12T02:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-12T06:35:00.000Z-Akradecki-2009-02-12T02:53:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notes-2009-02-14T12:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notes-2009-02-14T12:22:00.000Z"></span>Notes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notes-2009-02-14T12:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asgardian" title="User talk:Asgardian"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jc37-2009-02-14T12:22:00.000Z-Notes"></span>User talk:Asgardian</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Block_of_User:Asgardian" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">current AN/I</a></li></ul> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emperor/Archive_2008#Asgardian" title="User talk:Emperor/Archive 2008">mentoring request</a></li></ul> <p>Also, please check out <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nightscream#Asgardian" title="User talk:Nightscream">User talk:Nightscream#Asgardian</a>. On this last, it's a past discussion, and I'm only noting it for previous context. As an aside, I'd be interested in your thoughts in how you feel I acted/reacted, and whether appropriately. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jc37" title="User:Jc37">jc37</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jc37-2009-02-14T12:22:00.000Z-Notes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jc37-2009-02-14T12:22:00.000Z-Notes"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jc37-2009-02-14T12:22:00.000Z-Notes"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-14T16:33:00.000Z-Jc37-2009-02-14T12:22:00.000Z"></span>Looks just fine by me. I only stuck my nose in because I saw an unblock request, and looked at the cited examples of incivility, and was distressed by the broad definition of incivility being used as a bludgeon. I didn't factor any of the history in, because this particular incivility complaint was on its face invalid. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-02-14T16:33:00.000Z-Jc37-2009-02-14T12:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-14T16:33:00.000Z-Jc37-2009-02-14T12:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-14T16:33:00.000Z-Jc37-2009-02-14T12:22:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_to_allow_holocaust_denial" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_to_allow_holocaust_denial-2009-02-01T12:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_to_allow_holocaust_denial-2009-02-01T12:47:00.000Z"></span>Request to allow holocaust denial<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_to_allow_holocaust_denial-2009-02-01T12:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hejeb-2009-02-01T12:47:00.000Z-Request_to_allow_holocaust_denial"></span>hello mr gordon im new to the world of wiki peadians so pls excuse my ignorance to my lack of protocol regarding wikipedia. i must stress that i am not a person who is prejudice to any subject even though i have my own views, but you seem to be ABSOLUTELY prejudice to anyone who QUESTIONS the shoa, let alone deny!. on my research in your DENIAL FORUM ,YOU AND MANY ADMINISTRATORS ...... <b>ban and censor at the slightest question of the shoa.</b> <b></b> on reading your home page i share a lot of your interests,you seem rather interesting,though i ? your openmindedness . </p><p>i will be making my free speech regarding "MY REVISION" on the holocaust , so pls allow people thier forum, soapbox,banner,flyer,pamphlet,etc.... before labelling them "ANTI-SEMITIC,NAZI,ET AL" </p><p>FOR THE RECORD I DONT DENY THE ATROCITIES METE OUT BY THE NAZIS ,DURING THE WAR. REMEMBER WAR ITSELF IS A CRIME . </p><p>THERE WERE NO GASSINGS THERE WAS NO! EXTERMINATION PLAN FOR THE JEWS,HOMOS ,GYPSIES,FREE MASONS ETC AS I WILL DUELLY PROVE! SO PLS ALLOW PEOPLE THEIR FORUM . </p><p>DO NOT BAN OR LABEL PEOPLE!..... </p><p>YOU HAVE A NICE YEAR NOW12:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC) --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Hejeb&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Hejeb (page does not exist)">Hejeb</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hejeb&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Hejeb (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Hejeb-2009-02-01T12:47:00.000Z-Request_to_allow_holocaust_denial" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hejeb-2009-02-01T12:47:00.000Z-Request_to_allow_holocaust_denial"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hejeb-2009-02-01T12:47:00.000Z-Request_to_allow_holocaust_denial"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-01T15:18:00.000Z-Hejeb-2009-02-01T12:47:00.000Z"></span>You have a nice year too. There is no "free speech" on Wikipedia; nor is Wikipedia a "forum"; nor is there any tolerance for holocaust deniers. Insert any of this garbage into Wikipedia and it will be removed immediately. Bye. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-02-01T15:18:00.000Z-Hejeb-2009-02-01T12:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-01T15:18:00.000Z-Hejeb-2009-02-01T12:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-01T15:18:00.000Z-Hejeb-2009-02-01T12:47:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-02-03T21:47:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-01T15:18:00.000Z"></span>I can hardly wait. I predict a short editing half life.<a href="/wiki/User:Die4Dixie" title="User:Die4Dixie">Die4Dixie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Die4Dixie" title="User talk:Die4Dixie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Die4Dixie-2009-02-03T21:47:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-01T15:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 3 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Die4Dixie-2009-02-03T21:47:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-01T15:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Die4Dixie-2009-02-03T21:47:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-01T15:18:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Statesboropow-2009-02-17T02:50:00.000Z-Request_to_allow_holocaust_denial"></span>i dont understand what you mean about my intent being in question. i have a lot of questions about the Holocaust because to me it just doesnt add up. i learned about it from watching many documentaries on PBS and other TV outlets. but i dont think, for many reasons, that anywhere near 6,000,000 Jewish victims were gassed or even died during the German occupation of Europe. that doesnt make me anything except a free thinker. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Statesboropow&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Statesboropow (page does not exist)">Statesboropow</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Statesboropow&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Statesboropow (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Statesboropow-2009-02-17T02:50:00.000Z-Request_to_allow_holocaust_denial" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Statesboropow-2009-02-17T02:50:00.000Z-Request_to_allow_holocaust_denial"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Statesboropow-2009-02-17T02:50:00.000Z-Request_to_allow_holocaust_denial"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-2009-02-17T05:09:00.000Z-Statesboropow-2009-02-17T02:50:00.000Z"></span>You may wish to read a <i>book</i> on the matter. Those published by university presses are usually worth reading. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Hoary-2009-02-17T05:09:00.000Z-Statesboropow-2009-02-17T02:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:09, 17 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-2009-02-17T05:09:00.000Z-Statesboropow-2009-02-17T02:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-2009-02-17T05:09:00.000Z-Statesboropow-2009-02-17T02:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_sleeper_sock" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_sleeper_sock-2009-02-16T00:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_sleeper_sock-2009-02-16T00:49:00.000Z"></span>A sleeper sock<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_sleeper_sock-2009-02-16T00:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ohnoitsjamie-2009-02-16T00:49:00.000Z-A_sleeper_sock"></span>This user <a href="/wiki/User:Magwayen" title="User:Magwayen">Magwayen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Magwayen" title="User talk:Magwayen">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Magwayen" title="Special:Contributions/Magwayen">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Magwayen" title="Special:Log/Magwayen">logs</a>) started editing again shortly after all of <a href="/wiki/User:Richard_Relucio" title="User:Richard Relucio">User:Richard Relucio</a> known socks were blocked, having been dormant since July of 2008. Same articles, same pattern (lots and lots of minor edits). Enough evidence to file a checkuser? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ohnoitsjamie" title="User:Ohnoitsjamie">OhNo<span style="color:#D47C14;">itsJamie</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ohnoitsjamie" title="User talk:Ohnoitsjamie"><sup>Talk</sup></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ohnoitsjamie-2009-02-16T00:49:00.000Z-A_sleeper_sock" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 16 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ohnoitsjamie-2009-02-16T00:49:00.000Z-A_sleeper_sock"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ohnoitsjamie-2009-02-16T00:49:00.000Z-A_sleeper_sock"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Akradecki-2009-02-16T01:07:00.000Z-Ohnoitsjamie-2009-02-16T00:49:00.000Z"></span>Jamie, I was about to bring this up here, too. I've been watching this editor, and the edits do fit the pattern. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Akradecki" title="User:Akradecki"><span style="color:#62BB32;">AK<span style="color:#006400;">Radecki</span></span></a></b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Akradecki" title="User talk:Akradecki"><sup style="color:#62BB32;">Speaketh</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Akradecki-2009-02-16T01:07:00.000Z-Ohnoitsjamie-2009-02-16T00:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:07, 16 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Akradecki-2009-02-16T01:07:00.000Z-Ohnoitsjamie-2009-02-16T00:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Akradecki-2009-02-16T01:07:00.000Z-Ohnoitsjamie-2009-02-16T00:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-16T05:08:00.000Z-Akradecki-2009-02-16T01:07:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_support_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/18px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="19" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/27px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/36px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span><b> Likely</b>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-02-16T05:08:00.000Z-Akradecki-2009-02-16T01:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-16T05:08:00.000Z-Akradecki-2009-02-16T01:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-16T05:08:00.000Z-Akradecki-2009-02-16T01:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You_are_a_Racist" data-mw-thread-id="h-You_are_a_Racist-2009-02-20T05:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You_are_a_Racist-2009-02-20T05:56:00.000Z"></span>You are a Racist<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You_are_a_Racist-2009-02-20T05:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pietru_il-Boqli-2009-02-20T05:56:00.000Z-You_are_a_Racist"></span>I'm simply calling you out. Improve thyself. <a href="/wiki/User:Pietru_il-Boqli" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Pietru il-Boqli">汚い危険きつい</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pietru_il-Boqli" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Pietru il-Boqli">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Pietru_il-Boqli-2009-02-20T05:56:00.000Z-You_are_a_Racist" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:56, 20 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pietru_il-Boqli-2009-02-20T05:56:00.000Z-You_are_a_Racist"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pietru_il-Boqli-2009-02-20T05:56:00.000Z-You_are_a_Racist"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-20T06:02:00.000Z-Pietru_il-Boqli-2009-02-20T05:56:00.000Z"></span>Go fuck thyself. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-02-20T06:02:00.000Z-Pietru_il-Boqli-2009-02-20T05:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:02, 20 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-20T06:02:00.000Z-Pietru_il-Boqli-2009-02-20T05:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-20T06:02:00.000Z-Pietru_il-Boqli-2009-02-20T05:56:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-2009-02-20T06:48:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-20T06:02:00.000Z"></span>Is this <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_06/004216.php">the Spirit of Cheney Past</a>? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Hoary-2009-02-20T06:48:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-20T06:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-2009-02-20T06:48:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-20T06:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-2009-02-20T06:48:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-20T06:02:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orangemarlin-2009-02-20T06:52:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-02-20T06:48:00.000Z"></span>I just adore my mentor. LOL. <a href="/wiki/User:Orangemarlin" title="User:Orangemarlin"><span style="color:orange;"><b>Orange</b></span><span style="color:teal;"><b>Marlin</b></span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin" title="User talk:Orangemarlin">Talk•</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin" title="Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin">Contributions</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Orangemarlin-2009-02-20T06:52:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-02-20T06:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orangemarlin-2009-02-20T06:52:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-02-20T06:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orangemarlin-2009-02-20T06:52:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-02-20T06:48:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-2009-02-20T07:10:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2009-02-20T06:52:00.000Z"></span>I'm just trying to parse 汚い危険きつい. 汚い危険, OK; きつい危険, OK; but 汚い危険きつい? I guess it's a clause (as opposed to a noun phrase), with the case particle dropped. Or maybe I'm sleepier than I realize. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Hoary-2009-02-20T07:10:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2009-02-20T06:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:10, 20 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-2009-02-20T07:10:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2009-02-20T06:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-2009-02-20T07:10:00.000Z-Orangemarlin-2009-02-20T06:52:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tvoz-2009-02-20T07:12:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-02-20T07:10:00.000Z"></span>It <i>was</i> kind of poetic in its own way... <strong><a href="/wiki/User:Tvoz" title="User:Tvoz">Tvoz</a></strong>/<small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tvoz" title="User talk:Tvoz">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Tvoz-2009-02-20T07:12:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-02-20T07:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:12, 20 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tvoz-2009-02-20T07:12:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-02-20T07:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tvoz-2009-02-20T07:12:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-02-20T07:10:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-20T07:22:00.000Z-Tvoz-2009-02-20T07:12:00.000Z"></span>Hopefully, someone eventually will fill me in on the joke. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-02-20T07:22:00.000Z-Tvoz-2009-02-20T07:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-20T07:22:00.000Z-Tvoz-2009-02-20T07:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-20T07:22:00.000Z-Tvoz-2009-02-20T07:12:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TenOfAllTrades-2009-02-20T07:31:00.000Z-Pietru_il-Boqli-2009-02-20T05:56:00.000Z"></span>Based on the above comment and that editor's history of incivility, I have blocked <a href="/wiki/User:Pietru_il-Boqli" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Pietru il-Boqli">User:Pietru il-Boqli</a> for 1 week. <a href="/wiki/User:TenOfAllTrades" title="User:TenOfAllTrades">TenOfAllTrades</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TenOfAllTrades" title="User talk:TenOfAllTrades">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-TenOfAllTrades-2009-02-20T07:31:00.000Z-Pietru_il-Boqli-2009-02-20T05:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 20 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TenOfAllTrades-2009-02-20T07:31:00.000Z-Pietru_il-Boqli-2009-02-20T05:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TenOfAllTrades-2009-02-20T07:31:00.000Z-Pietru_il-Boqli-2009-02-20T05:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-20T17:14:00.000Z-TenOfAllTrades-2009-02-20T07:31:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. I am kinda curious why said editor thinks I'm a racist or an anti-semite; certainly a large amount of my editing here on Wikipedia has been anti-racist and neutral if not downright philosemitic. I don't think I've ever had any interaction with this editor. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-02-20T17:14:00.000Z-TenOfAllTrades-2009-02-20T07:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-20T17:14:00.000Z-TenOfAllTrades-2009-02-20T07:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-20T17:14:00.000Z-TenOfAllTrades-2009-02-20T07:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="LAShTAL.com" data-mw-thread-id="h-LAShTAL.com-2009-02-20T18:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-LAShTAL.com-2009-02-20T18:38:00.000Z"></span>LAShTAL.com<span data-mw-comment-end="h-LAShTAL.com-2009-02-20T18:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ian_Rons-2009-02-20T18:38:00.000Z-LAShTAL.com"></span>Hi Josh, </p><p>There's been a bit of what I think is pettifogging over at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Aleister_Crowley#Aleister_Crowley_Society_Link" title="Talk:Aleister Crowley">Talk:Aleister_Crowley#Aleister_Crowley_Society_Link</a> concerning a site link, and the person disputing it has <i>also</i> put the site up for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#LAShTAL.com" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam">blacklisting</a>. I noticed you've edited the Aleister Crowley page quite a bit in the past and are an admin, and since it doesn't look like the parties concerned are going to reach a consensus anytime soon, I thought you might be able to help us settle it. I'm not an experienced Wikipedian, but I trust it's OK to approach you like this. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ian_Rons&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ian Rons (page does not exist)">Ian Rons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ian_Rons" title="User talk:Ian Rons">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ian_Rons-2009-02-20T18:38:00.000Z-LAShTAL.com" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 20 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ian_Rons-2009-02-20T18:38:00.000Z-LAShTAL.com"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ian_Rons-2009-02-20T18:38:00.000Z-LAShTAL.com"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ian_Rons-2009-02-20T22:37:00.000Z-LAShTAL.com"></span>Thanks for the input, unfortunately it fell on a technicality. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ian_Rons&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ian Rons (page does not exist)">Ian Rons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ian_Rons" title="User talk:Ian Rons">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Ian_Rons-2009-02-20T22:37:00.000Z-LAShTAL.com" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ian_Rons-2009-02-20T22:37:00.000Z-LAShTAL.com"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ian_Rons-2009-02-20T22:37:00.000Z-LAShTAL.com"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_Little_Request" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_Little_Request-2009-02-22T20:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_Little_Request-2009-02-22T20:23:00.000Z"></span>A Little Request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_Little_Request-2009-02-22T20:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Norvo-2009-02-22T20:23:00.000Z-A_Little_Request"></span>I wonder if you would have a look at the article on the Lodz Ghetto, please. I hope you don't mind me imposing on you. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Norvo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Norvo (page does not exist)">Norvo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Norvo" title="User talk:Norvo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Norvo-2009-02-22T20:23:00.000Z-A_Little_Request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Norvo-2009-02-22T20:23:00.000Z-A_Little_Request"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Norvo-2009-02-22T20:23:00.000Z-A_Little_Request"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-22T21:06:00.000Z-Norvo-2009-02-22T20:23:00.000Z"></span>No prob, but next time it's nice to leave a link in the request! Signed, Mr Lazy. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-02-22T21:06:00.000Z-Norvo-2009-02-22T20:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-22T21:06:00.000Z-Norvo-2009-02-22T20:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-22T21:06:00.000Z-Norvo-2009-02-22T20:23:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Norvo-2009-02-22T22:35:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-22T21:06:00.000Z"></span>Many thanks. Sorry I didn't leave a link. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Norvo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Norvo (page does not exist)">Norvo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Norvo" title="User talk:Norvo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Norvo-2009-02-22T22:35:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-22T21:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Norvo-2009-02-22T22:35:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-22T21:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Norvo-2009-02-22T22:35:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-22T21:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IP_Unblock" data-mw-thread-id="h-IP_Unblock-2009-02-26T19:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IP_Unblock-2009-02-26T19:43:00.000Z"></span>IP Unblock<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IP_Unblock-2009-02-26T19:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avraham-2009-02-26T19:43:00.000Z-IP_Unblock"></span>Hello, Josh. I anonblocked the IP that was harassing you, and it is now requesting an unblock. As you were the target of the abuse, do you want to say anything? Please see <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A91.108.219.174&diff=273479436&oldid=273478739">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A91.108.219.174&diff=273479436&oldid=273478739</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Avraham" title="User:Avraham">Avi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Avraham" title="User talk:Avraham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Avraham-2009-02-26T19:43:00.000Z-IP_Unblock" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 26 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avraham-2009-02-26T19:43:00.000Z-IP_Unblock"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avraham-2009-02-26T19:43:00.000Z-IP_Unblock"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avraham-2009-02-26T21:32:00.000Z-Avraham-2009-02-26T19:43:00.000Z"></span>I'm going to unblock, but if he starts again, apply a longer block. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Avraham" title="User:Avraham">Avi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Avraham" title="User talk:Avraham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Avraham-2009-02-26T21:32:00.000Z-Avraham-2009-02-26T19:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avraham-2009-02-26T21:32:00.000Z-Avraham-2009-02-26T19:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avraham-2009-02-26T21:32:00.000Z-Avraham-2009-02-26T19:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-26T23:10:00.000Z-Avraham-2009-02-26T21:32:00.000Z"></span>Sounds fair to me; I guess good faith requires accepting someone recognizing themselves behaving poorly and promising to knock it off. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-02-26T23:10:00.000Z-Avraham-2009-02-26T21:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-26T23:10:00.000Z-Avraham-2009-02-26T21:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-26T23:10:00.000Z-Avraham-2009-02-26T21:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avraham-2009-02-27T04:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-26T23:10:00.000Z"></span>Took around 90 minutes to get reblocked. No harrassment, but creating articles reading "ahahahaha" or whatnot. Well, I tried :) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Avraham" title="User:Avraham">Avi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Avraham" title="User talk:Avraham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Avraham-2009-02-27T04:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-26T23:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avraham-2009-02-27T04:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-26T23:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avraham-2009-02-27T04:02:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-26T23:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rousas_John_Rushdoony" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rousas_John_Rushdoony-2009-03-01T05:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rousas_John_Rushdoony-2009-03-01T05:24:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Rousas_John_Rushdoony" class="mw-redirect" title="Rousas John Rushdoony">Rousas John Rushdoony</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rousas_John_Rushdoony-2009-03-01T05:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EronMain-2009-03-01T05:24:00.000Z-Rousas_John_Rushdoony"></span>Regarding the reference I provided, the full text of the journal article is accessible, for free, through the page that is linked. It is in a PDF document; I'd like to find a direct link but I haven't yet. I wouldn't have used it if it were not freely available. I think as a scholarly paper it is a high quality reference. - <a href="/wiki/User:EronMain" title="User:EronMain">Eron</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:EronMain" title="User talk:EronMain">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-EronMain-2009-03-01T05:24:00.000Z-Rousas_John_Rushdoony" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:24, 1 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EronMain-2009-03-01T05:24:00.000Z-Rousas_John_Rushdoony"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EronMain-2009-03-01T05:24:00.000Z-Rousas_John_Rushdoony"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-01T06:05:00.000Z-EronMain-2009-03-01T05:24:00.000Z"></span>Oh! The download link was hidden in plain sight -- that's why I missed it. Pretty convincing, yeah. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-01T06:05:00.000Z-EronMain-2009-03-01T05:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:05, 1 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-01T06:05:00.000Z-EronMain-2009-03-01T05:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-01T06:05:00.000Z-EronMain-2009-03-01T05:24:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_converts_to_Judaism" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_converts_to_Judaism-2009-03-01T23:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_converts_to_Judaism-2009-03-01T23:48:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Judaism" title="List of converts to Judaism">List of converts to Judaism</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_converts_to_Judaism-2009-03-01T23:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Divamia-2009-03-01T23:48:00.000Z-List_of_converts_to_Judaism"></span>How can I resolve <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_converts_to_Judaism#.22Consensus.22_Version">this</a> situation? Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Divamia" title="User:Divamia">Divamia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Divamia" title="User talk:Divamia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Divamia-2009-03-01T23:48:00.000Z-List_of_converts_to_Judaism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Divamia-2009-03-01T23:48:00.000Z-List_of_converts_to_Judaism"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Divamia-2009-03-01T23:48:00.000Z-List_of_converts_to_Judaism"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-02T00:05:00.000Z-Divamia-2009-03-01T23:48:00.000Z"></span>Beats me. It's like talking to a brick wall. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-02T00:05:00.000Z-Divamia-2009-03-01T23:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:05, 2 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-02T00:05:00.000Z-Divamia-2009-03-01T23:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-02T00:05:00.000Z-Divamia-2009-03-01T23:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Divamia-2009-03-02T00:36:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-02T00:05:00.000Z"></span>Should I try mediation? People have commented on an RFC before but the other users have not listened. <a href="/wiki/User:Divamia" title="User:Divamia">Divamia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Divamia" title="User talk:Divamia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Divamia-2009-03-02T00:36:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-02T00:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Divamia-2009-03-02T00:36:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-02T00:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Divamia-2009-03-02T00:36:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-02T00:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-02T02:05:00.000Z-Divamia-2009-03-02T00:36:00.000Z"></span>Might work, but mediation requires both parties agree to take part in it. Perhaps going the RFC route again might be helpful. Last one veered off somewhat. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-02T02:05:00.000Z-Divamia-2009-03-02T00:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:05, 2 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-02T02:05:00.000Z-Divamia-2009-03-02T00:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-02T02:05:00.000Z-Divamia-2009-03-02T00:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tigeroo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tigeroo-2009-02-25T15:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tigeroo-2009-02-25T15:34:00.000Z"></span>Tigeroo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tigeroo-2009-02-25T15:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daniel_Case-2009-02-25T15:34:00.000Z-Tigeroo"></span>He has resurfaced to request unblock, professing penitence, after seven months. I put it on hold pending comment from you. <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Case" title="User:Daniel Case">Daniel Case</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Case" title="User talk:Daniel Case">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Daniel_Case-2009-02-25T15:34:00.000Z-Tigeroo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 25 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daniel_Case-2009-02-25T15:34:00.000Z-Tigeroo"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daniel_Case-2009-02-25T15:34:00.000Z-Tigeroo"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-25T15:40:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2009-02-25T15:34:00.000Z"></span>So good-faith him and see what happens. It will be pretty obvious if he starts playing games again. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-02-25T15:40:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2009-02-25T15:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 25 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-25T15:40:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2009-02-25T15:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-02-25T15:40:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2009-02-25T15:34:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daniel_Case-2009-03-03T04:53:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-25T15:40:00.000Z"></span>He made his promise and I unblocked. Let's see what happens next. <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Case" title="User:Daniel Case">Daniel Case</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Case" title="User talk:Daniel Case">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Daniel_Case-2009-03-03T04:53:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-25T15:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daniel_Case-2009-03-03T04:53:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-25T15:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daniel_Case-2009-03-03T04:53:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-02-25T15:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User:Raquel666" data-mw-thread-id="h-User:Raquel666-2009-03-06T02:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User:Raquel666-2009-03-06T02:53:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/User:Raquel666" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Raquel666">User:Raquel666</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User:Raquel666-2009-03-06T02:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orangemike-2009-03-06T02:53:00.000Z-User:Raquel666"></span>Her username, not her signature, is the problem. She's got a history of using her account to spam for her website, 666ismoney, and for no more constructive purpose than that. She's got a bad case of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Truth" title="Wikipedia:The Truth"><b>The Truth</b></a>. Read her defiant talk page: <i>"to "publish my own ideas" is absurd & irrational, should I get someone else to publish them, Truth is Truth, publish the Truth."</i> --<a href="/wiki/User:Orangemike" title="User:Orangemike"><span style="color:darkorange;">Orange Mike</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orangemike" title="User talk:Orangemike"><span style="color:orange;">Talk</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Orangemike-2009-03-06T02:53:00.000Z-User:Raquel666" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orangemike-2009-03-06T02:53:00.000Z-User:Raquel666"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orangemike-2009-03-06T02:53:00.000Z-User:Raquel666"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-06T05:25:00.000Z-Orangemike-2009-03-06T02:53:00.000Z"></span>Not really sure we can make using the number 666 a bannable offense, but certainly the rest of her behavior is worthy of exclusion. She seems a bit, shall we say, off. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-06T05:25:00.000Z-Orangemike-2009-03-06T02:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-06T05:25:00.000Z-Orangemike-2009-03-06T02:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-06T05:25:00.000Z-Orangemike-2009-03-06T02:53:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AfD:_Cristina_Schultz" data-mw-thread-id="h-AfD:_Cristina_Schultz-2009-03-09T07:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AfD:_Cristina_Schultz-2009-03-09T07:29:00.000Z"></span>AfD: Cristina Schultz<span data-mw-comment-end="h-AfD:_Cristina_Schultz-2009-03-09T07:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnuniq-2009-03-09T07:29:00.000Z-AfD:_Cristina_Schultz"></span>I'm hoping to get more discussion about a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Cristina_Schultz_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cristina Schultz (2nd nomination)">proposal</a> to delete <a href="/w/index.php?title=Cristina_Schultz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Cristina Schultz (page does not exist)">Cristina Schultz</a>. I'm giving this message to all registered users who have contributed to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Cristina_Schultz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Cristina Schultz (page does not exist)">Cristina Schultz</a> or its <a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cristina_Schultz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:Cristina Schultz (page does not exist)">talk page</a>, except for some with no WP contributions in the last four months, and one <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPA">WP:SPA</a> with no talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnuniq" title="User:Johnuniq">Johnuniq</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnuniq" title="User talk:Johnuniq">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Johnuniq-2009-03-09T07:29:00.000Z-AfD:_Cristina_Schultz" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:29, 9 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnuniq-2009-03-09T07:29:00.000Z-AfD:_Cristina_Schultz"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnuniq-2009-03-09T07:29:00.000Z-AfD:_Cristina_Schultz"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Just_a_quick_thanks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Just_a_quick_thanks-2009-03-11T14:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Just_a_quick_thanks-2009-03-11T14:51:00.000Z"></span>Just a quick thanks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Just_a_quick_thanks-2009-03-11T14:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cyclonenim-2009-03-11T14:51:00.000Z-Just_a_quick_thanks"></span>I forgot to check back to the entertainment reference desk and didn't have a chance to thank you and the others for contributing and helping me with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Entertainment/2009_March_7#Guitar_chords" title="Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2009 March 7">this</a>. So, here you go, my thanks! Good to know there's some other guitar players on here who I can always run to for help ;) </p> <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks"><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Choco_chip_cookie.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Choco_chip_cookie.png/100px-Choco_chip_cookie.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="70" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Choco_chip_cookie.png/150px-Choco_chip_cookie.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Choco_chip_cookie.png/200px-Choco_chip_cookie.png 2x" data-file-width="800" data-file-height="557"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>—<b><a href="/wiki/User:Cyclonenim" title="User:Cyclonenim">Cyclonenim</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cyclonenim" title="User talk:Cyclonenim">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cyclonenim" title="Special:Contributions/Cyclonenim">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Cyclonenim" title="Special:EmailUser/Cyclonenim">email</a>) has given you a <a href="/wiki/Cookie" title="Cookie">cookie</a>! Cookies promote <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiLove" title="Wikipedia:WikiLove">WikiLove</a> and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching! <br/> </p><p>Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cookie" title="Template:Cookie">subst:Cookie</a>}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Munch" title="Template:Munch">subst:munch</a>}}! </p> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> </div> <p><br/> </p><p><br/> </p><p>—<b><a href="/wiki/User:Cyclonenim" title="User:Cyclonenim">Cyclonenim</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cyclonenim" title="User talk:Cyclonenim">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cyclonenim" title="Special:Contributions/Cyclonenim">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Cyclonenim" title="Special:EmailUser/Cyclonenim">email</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Cyclonenim-2009-03-11T14:51:00.000Z-Just_a_quick_thanks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cyclonenim-2009-03-11T14:51:00.000Z-Just_a_quick_thanks"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cyclonenim-2009-03-11T14:51:00.000Z-Just_a_quick_thanks"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)_2-2009-03-14T03:26:00.000Z"><span id="Re:_The_Chosen_.28Chaim_Potok.29_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)_2-2009-03-14T03:26:00.000Z"></span>Re: <a href="/wiki/The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)" class="mw-redirect" title="The Chosen (Chaim Potok)">The Chosen (Chaim Potok)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)_2-2009-03-14T03:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zephyrad-2009-03-14T03:26:00.000Z-Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)_2"></span>Hi... I noticed you haven't been de-crapping this article lately, and wondered if you were still active. Hope you're well... and I hate patrolling alone; makes it look like I think I own the thing. ;-) <a href="/wiki/User:Zephyrad" title="User:Zephyrad">Zephyrad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zephyrad" title="User talk:Zephyrad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Zephyrad-2009-03-14T03:26:00.000Z-Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:26, 14 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zephyrad-2009-03-14T03:26:00.000Z-Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zephyrad-2009-03-14T03:26:00.000Z-Re:_The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-14T06:05:00.000Z-Zephyrad-2009-03-14T03:26:00.000Z"></span>Oh, I'm active! I guess I haven't noticed any crap on my watch; has it been getting a lot? --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-14T06:05:00.000Z-Zephyrad-2009-03-14T03:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:05, 14 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-14T06:05:00.000Z-Zephyrad-2009-03-14T03:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-14T06:05:00.000Z-Zephyrad-2009-03-14T03:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zephyrad-2009-03-15T09:26:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-14T06:05:00.000Z"></span>Just the usual... other'n someone injected a particularly Jewish POV line, this week ("creating this state would be superceding the authourity of G-d"), and couldn't spell, on top of it. (I notice now it's back, in an amended form: "Rebbe feels that...") Oy gevult. <a href="/wiki/User:Zephyrad" title="User:Zephyrad">Zephyrad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zephyrad" title="User talk:Zephyrad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Zephyrad-2009-03-15T09:26:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-14T06:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zephyrad-2009-03-15T09:26:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-14T06:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zephyrad-2009-03-15T09:26:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-14T06:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-15T14:14:00.000Z-Zephyrad-2009-03-15T09:26:00.000Z"></span>Hm? That's not a POV; that's the reason the Rebbe opposed the creation of Israel. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-15T14:14:00.000Z-Zephyrad-2009-03-15T09:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 15 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-15T14:14:00.000Z-Zephyrad-2009-03-15T09:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-15T14:14:00.000Z-Zephyrad-2009-03-15T09:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zephyrad-2009-03-16T06:49:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-15T14:14:00.000Z"></span>I'm not talking about the storyline (or the reasoning); I'm talking about the phrasing ("Rebbe" and "G-d"). Someone not familiar with Jewish culture would likely read that and go "Huh?", and not in a positive way. NPOV/"worldwide view" or a similar principle would apply, I believe. <a href="/wiki/User:Zephyrad" title="User:Zephyrad">Zephyrad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zephyrad" title="User talk:Zephyrad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Zephyrad-2009-03-16T06:49:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-15T14:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:49, 16 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zephyrad-2009-03-16T06:49:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-15T14:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zephyrad-2009-03-16T06:49:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-15T14:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="jeffhardy28_why_did_you_block_him" data-mw-thread-id="h-jeffhardy28_why_did_you_block_him-2009-03-18T21:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-jeffhardy28_why_did_you_block_him-2009-03-18T21:06:00.000Z"></span>jeffhardy28 why did you block him<span data-mw-comment-end="h-jeffhardy28_why_did_you_block_him-2009-03-18T21:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fake28-2009-03-18T21:06:00.000Z-jeffhardy28_why_did_you_block_him"></span>To JPGordon, The person who made Jeffhardy28 password was figured out by his friend David the dogman now it says he is abusing multiple accounts and he is blocked can you please unblock jeffhardy28's account. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Fake28&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Fake28 (page does not exist)">Fake28</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fake28" title="User talk:Fake28">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fake28" title="Special:Contributions/Fake28">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Fake28-2009-03-18T21:06:00.000Z-jeffhardy28_why_did_you_block_him" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fake28-2009-03-18T21:06:00.000Z-jeffhardy28_why_did_you_block_him"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fake28-2009-03-18T21:06:00.000Z-jeffhardy28_why_did_you_block_him"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-18T21:53:00.000Z-Fake28-2009-03-18T21:06:00.000Z"></span>No. Feel free to use the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unblock" title="Template:Unblock">unblock</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeffhardy28" title="User talk:Jeffhardy28">User talk:Jeffhardy28</a>. Perhaps someone will believe you. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-18T21:53:00.000Z-Fake28-2009-03-18T21:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 18 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-18T21:53:00.000Z-Fake28-2009-03-18T21:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-18T21:53:00.000Z-Fake28-2009-03-18T21:06:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User:24.73.17.181" data-mw-thread-id="h-User:24.73.17.181-2009-03-18T22:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User:24.73.17.181-2009-03-18T22:40:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:24.73.17.181&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:24.73.17.181 (page does not exist)">User:24.73.17.181</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User:24.73.17.181-2009-03-18T22:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shawnpoo-2009-03-18T22:40:00.000Z-User:24.73.17.181"></span>Blocks should be based on the protection of Wikipedia rather than the punishment of offenders. Most IP addresses should not be blocked more than a few hours, since the malicious user will probably move on by the time the block expires. If there is persistent disruption or vandalism from an IP address, the block should be extended (with the 'anon-only' option selected) as long as is necessary to prevent further disruption. <small><b><span style="padding:1px 3px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shawnpoo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shawnpoo (page does not exist)"><span style="color:#20406F;">§hawn</span></a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Shawnpoo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Shawnpoo (page does not exist)"><span style="color:#20406F;">hath</span></a></span></b></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Shawnpoo-2009-03-18T22:40:00.000Z-User:24.73.17.181" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:40, 18 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shawnpoo-2009-03-18T22:40:00.000Z-User:24.73.17.181"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shawnpoo-2009-03-18T22:40:00.000Z-User:24.73.17.181"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Users_Adatapost,_Mr._moose" data-mw-thread-id="h-Users_Adatapost,_Mr._moose-2009-03-19T15:20:00.000Z"><span id="Users_Adatapost.2C_Mr._moose"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Users_Adatapost,_Mr._moose-2009-03-19T15:20:00.000Z"></span>Users Adatapost, Mr. moose<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Users_Adatapost,_Mr._moose-2009-03-19T15:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-69.106.242.20-2009-03-19T15:20:00.000Z-Users_Adatapost,_Mr._moose"></span>Just had an odd experience, maybe you can explain it. I use a Google search to find new (Google's 24 hour time limit) pages with the word "Software". This morning <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Computer_Education&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Computer Education (page does not exist)">Category:Computer Education</a> popped up, with one categorized page - <a href="/wiki/User:Adatapost" title="User:Adatapost">User:Adatapost</a>. Adatapost had only the history of creating the category - I nowiki'd the categorization of the user page, with the edit comment <i>Nowiki'd category. See Wikipedia:Categorization guideline#User pages</i>. </p><p>Almost immediately I received the message <a href="/wiki/User_talk:69.106.242.20#March_2009" title="User talk:69.106.242.20">User talk:69.106.242.20#March 2009</a> that my test on that user page worked so it had been reverted. Message signed Mr. moose. Curious, I looked at the <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adatapost" title="User talk:Adatapost">User talk:Adatapost</a> - it's full of speedy deletion flags. That got me to look at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._moose" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Mr. moose">User talk:Mr. moose</a> where I found your recent, and curious, entry. </p><p>So - what I have stepped into? Is there an explanation for all of this? Thanks, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.106.242.20" title="Special:Contributions/69.106.242.20">69.106.242.20</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:69.106.242.20" title="User talk:69.106.242.20">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-69.106.242.20-2009-03-19T15:20:00.000Z-Users_Adatapost,_Mr._moose" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 19 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-69.106.242.20-2009-03-19T15:20:00.000Z-Users_Adatapost,_Mr._moose"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-69.106.242.20-2009-03-19T15:20:00.000Z-Users_Adatapost,_Mr._moose"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-19T15:39:00.000Z-69.106.242.20-2009-03-19T15:20:00.000Z"></span>It's odd. I thought it might be because it blanked the page, but no; and someone else removed the category, but then someone else reverted it. Weird. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-19T15:39:00.000Z-69.106.242.20-2009-03-19T15:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 19 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-19T15:39:00.000Z-69.106.242.20-2009-03-19T15:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-19T15:39:00.000Z-69.106.242.20-2009-03-19T15:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="hi" data-mw-thread-id="h-hi-2009-03-20T16:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-hi-2009-03-20T16:07:00.000Z"></span>hi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-hi-2009-03-20T16:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AgentSpy101-2009-03-20T16:07:00.000Z-hi"></span>how do you report a user of <a href="/wiki/Suspicion" class="mw-disambig" title="Suspicion">suspicion</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:AgentSpy101" title="User:AgentSpy101">AgentSpy101</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AgentSpy101" title="User talk:AgentSpy101">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-AgentSpy101-2009-03-20T16:07:00.000Z-hi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 20 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AgentSpy101-2009-03-20T16:07:00.000Z-hi"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AgentSpy101-2009-03-20T16:07:00.000Z-hi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-20T16:13:00.000Z-AgentSpy101-2009-03-20T16:07:00.000Z"></span>I'm sorry, I don't understand how "suspicion" would be anything to report. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-20T16:13:00.000Z-AgentSpy101-2009-03-20T16:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-20T16:13:00.000Z-AgentSpy101-2009-03-20T16:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-20T16:13:00.000Z-AgentSpy101-2009-03-20T16:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AgentSpy101-2009-03-20T16:34:00.000Z-hi"></span>how do you report a user? <a href="/wiki/User:AgentSpy101" title="User:AgentSpy101">AgentSpy101</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AgentSpy101" title="User talk:AgentSpy101">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-AgentSpy101-2009-03-20T16:34:00.000Z-hi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 20 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AgentSpy101-2009-03-20T16:34:00.000Z-hi"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AgentSpy101-2009-03-20T16:34:00.000Z-hi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-20T16:50:00.000Z-AgentSpy101-2009-03-20T16:34:00.000Z"></span>Report a user for what? At any rate, perhaps you should concentrate on helping us put together an encyclopedia, rather than goofing around with user talk pages. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-20T16:50:00.000Z-AgentSpy101-2009-03-20T16:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 20 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-20T16:50:00.000Z-AgentSpy101-2009-03-20T16:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-20T16:50:00.000Z-AgentSpy101-2009-03-20T16:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusicMan4444-2009-03-20T18:20:00.000Z-hi"></span>for vandalism, suspected sockpuppetry, ect. thats what I <i>think</i> he means. <a href="/wiki/User:MusicMan4444" title="User:MusicMan4444">MusicMan4444</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusicMan4444" title="User talk:MusicMan4444">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-MusicMan4444-2009-03-20T18:20:00.000Z-hi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusicMan4444-2009-03-20T18:20:00.000Z-hi"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusicMan4444-2009-03-20T18:20:00.000Z-hi"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AgentSpy101-2009-03-21T01:13:00.000Z-hi"></span>yes! yes! thats exacly what I mean! <a href="/wiki/User:AgentSpy101" title="User:AgentSpy101">AgentSpy101</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AgentSpy101" title="User talk:AgentSpy101">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-AgentSpy101-2009-03-21T01:13:00.000Z-hi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:13, 21 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AgentSpy101-2009-03-21T01:13:00.000Z-hi"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AgentSpy101-2009-03-21T01:13:00.000Z-hi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-21T01:35:00.000Z-AgentSpy101-2009-03-21T01:13:00.000Z"></span>Well, for suspected sockpuppetry, you go to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPI">WP:SPI</a>. For vandalism, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AIV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AIV">WP:AIV</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-21T01:35:00.000Z-AgentSpy101-2009-03-21T01:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:35, 21 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-21T01:35:00.000Z-AgentSpy101-2009-03-21T01:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-21T01:35:00.000Z-AgentSpy101-2009-03-21T01:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Anne_Teedham" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Anne_Teedham-2009-03-20T17:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Anne_Teedham-2009-03-20T17:30:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Anne_Teedham" title="Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Anne Teedham">Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Anne Teedham</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Anne_Teedham-2009-03-20T17:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stepheng3-2009-03-20T17:30:00.000Z-Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Anne_Teedham"></span>For every category you create, you <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization#Do_categories_need_parents.3F" title="Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization">should</a> specify parent categories to which it belongs. In the case of a category like <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Anne_Teedham" title="Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Anne Teedham">this one</a>, parent categories are provided automatically when you include a <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Sockpuppet_category" title="Template:Sockpuppet category">Sockpuppet category</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template. </p><p>I am a human being, not a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots" title="Wikipedia:Bots">bot</a>, so you can <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Stepheng3&action=edit&section=new">contact me</a> if you have questions about this. Best regards, --<a href="/wiki/User:Stepheng3" title="User:Stepheng3">Stepheng3</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stepheng3" title="User talk:Stepheng3">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Stepheng3-2009-03-20T17:30:00.000Z-Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Anne_Teedham" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stepheng3-2009-03-20T17:30:00.000Z-Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Anne_Teedham"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stepheng3-2009-03-20T17:30:00.000Z-Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Anne_Teedham"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-20T21:20:00.000Z-Stepheng3-2009-03-20T17:30:00.000Z"></span>Nah. This should be robotized if it's important enough to bother me about. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-20T21:20:00.000Z-Stepheng3-2009-03-20T17:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-20T21:20:00.000Z-Stepheng3-2009-03-20T17:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-20T21:20:00.000Z-Stepheng3-2009-03-20T17:30:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Desertfae-2009-03-21T01:49:00.000Z-Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Anne_Teedham"></span> Jpgordon, Great catch! </p><p>The sockpuppets of User Anne Teedham have created quite a mess of multiple pages within wikipedia, those of us involved in things surrounding those pages-<a href="/wiki/Inslaw" title="Inslaw">Inslaw</a>, <a href="/wiki/Danny_Casolaro" title="Danny Casolaro">Danny Casolaro</a>, <a href="/wiki/Michael_Riconosciuto" title="Michael Riconosciuto">Michael Riconosciuto</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wackenhut" class="mw-redirect" title="Wackenhut">Wackenhut</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Peter_Videnieks&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Peter Videnieks (page does not exist)">Peter Videnieks</a>, <a href="/wiki/Earl_Brian" title="Earl Brian">Earl Brian</a>, <a href="/wiki/United_States_Medical_Center_for_Federal_Prisoners" title="United States Medical Center for Federal Prisoners">United States Medical Center for Federal Prisoners</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Political_scandals_of_the_United_States&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Political scandals of the United States (page does not exist)">Political scandals of the United States</a>, <a href="/wiki/Robert_Hanssen" title="Robert Hanssen">Robert Hanssen</a>, <a href="/wiki/Prosecutor%27s_Management_Information_System" class="mw-redirect" title="Prosecutor's Management Information System">Prosecutor's Management Information System</a>, <a href="/wiki/October_surprise_conspiracy_theory" class="mw-redirect" title="October surprise conspiracy theory">October surprise conspiracy theory</a>, <a href="/wiki/United_States_Office_of_the_Independent_Counsel" class="mw-redirect" title="United States Office of the Independent Counsel">United States Office of the Independent Counsel</a>, <a href="/wiki/Ted_Gunderson" title="Ted Gunderson">Ted Gunderson</a>, and more are wondering if there's a way to revert all of the edits this person has done? If you look at the talk pages related to Inslaw and Michael Riconosciuto you'll see where this person has been quite biased in their editing and promoting misinformation throughout these articles. Any help you can give would be great. Again, thanks for catching this. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Desertfae" title="User talk:Desertfae"><span style="color:#9090f0;background:#ccf"> <span style="background:#99f"> <span style="background:#66f"> <span style="background:#11f"><b>desertfae</b></span> </span> </span> </span></a> <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">undated</a> comment added <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Desertfae-2009-03-21T01:49:00.000Z-Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Anne_Teedham" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:49, 21 March 2009 (UTC)</a>.</span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Desertfae-2009-03-21T01:49:00.000Z-Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Anne_Teedham"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Desertfae-2009-03-21T01:49:00.000Z-Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Anne_Teedham"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-21T02:02:00.000Z-Desertfae-2009-03-21T01:49:00.000Z"></span>Hm. I know someone knows how to do that, but I don't. Ask around. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-21T02:02:00.000Z-Desertfae-2009-03-21T01:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-21T02:02:00.000Z-Desertfae-2009-03-21T01:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-21T02:02:00.000Z-Desertfae-2009-03-21T01:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Desertfae-2009-03-21T12:41:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-21T02:02:00.000Z"></span>Will do, thanks again! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Desertfae&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Desertfae (page does not exist)">Desertfae</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Desertfae" title="User talk:Desertfae">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Desertfae-2009-03-21T12:41:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-21T02:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Desertfae-2009-03-21T12:41:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-21T02:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Desertfae-2009-03-21T12:41:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-21T02:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_converts_to_Judaism_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_converts_to_Judaism_2-2009-03-21T17:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_converts_to_Judaism_2-2009-03-21T17:47:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Judaism" title="List of converts to Judaism">List of converts to Judaism</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_converts_to_Judaism_2-2009-03-21T17:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Divamia-2009-03-21T17:47:00.000Z-List_of_converts_to_Judaism_2"></span>I've had no luck with <a href="/wiki/Talk:List_of_converts_to_Judaism#List_RFC" title="Talk:List of converts to Judaism">the RFC</a>. How should I proceed now? <a href="/wiki/User:Divamia" title="User:Divamia">Divamia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Divamia" title="User talk:Divamia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Divamia-2009-03-21T17:47:00.000Z-List_of_converts_to_Judaism_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:47, 21 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Divamia-2009-03-21T17:47:00.000Z-List_of_converts_to_Judaism_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Divamia-2009-03-21T17:47:00.000Z-List_of_converts_to_Judaism_2"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-21T20:49:00.000Z-Divamia-2009-03-21T17:47:00.000Z"></span>Request mediation; if that fails (and it probably will, since the one person doesn't think there's anything wrong at all with his position), you'll need to go to arbitration. Or just shrug and say "what a crock" and walk away from it; that's what I did. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-21T20:49:00.000Z-Divamia-2009-03-21T17:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 21 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-21T20:49:00.000Z-Divamia-2009-03-21T17:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-21T20:49:00.000Z-Divamia-2009-03-21T17:47:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ANI" data-mw-thread-id="h-ANI-2009-03-23T10:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ANI-2009-03-23T10:24:00.000Z"></span>ANI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ANI-2009-03-23T10:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daedalus969-2009-03-23T10:24:00.000Z-ANI"></span>Hello, Jpgordon. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents</a> regarding a ban of a user you were involved with. The discussion is about the topic <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI#Proposing_a_ban_of_user_El_Machete_Guerrero" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">Proposing a ban of user El Machete Guerrero</a>. Thank you. --— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Daedalus969" title="User:Daedalus969"><span style="color:green;">Dæ</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daedalus969" title="User talk:Daedalus969">dαlus</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Daedalus969" title="Special:Contributions/Daedalus969"><sup style="color:green;">Contribs</sup></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Daedalus969-2009-03-23T10:24:00.000Z-ANI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:24, 23 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daedalus969-2009-03-23T10:24:00.000Z-ANI"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daedalus969-2009-03-23T10:24:00.000Z-ANI"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Good_faith_edits?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_faith_edits?-2009-03-24T17:55:00.000Z"><span id="Good_faith_edits.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_faith_edits?-2009-03-24T17:55:00.000Z"></span>Good faith edits?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_faith_edits?-2009-03-24T17:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tide_rolls-2009-03-24T17:55:00.000Z-Good_faith_edits?"></span>I've recently started looking over the Recent Changes page and reverting some obvious vandalism. I came across these <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Germany_Must_Perish!&diff=prev&oldid=279400233">[20]</a>, <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Germany_Must_Perish!&diff=279401533&oldid=279400233">[21]</a> and I don't know enough about the subject(s) to know whether they are good faith edits. I'm hoping you could take a look and either revert or ignore. Thanks for your time. <a href="/wiki/User:Tide_rolls" title="User:Tide rolls"><b><span style="color:White;background:Red">Tide</span></b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tide_rolls" title="User talk:Tide rolls"><b><span style="color:Red">rolls</span></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Tide_rolls-2009-03-24T17:55:00.000Z-Good_faith_edits?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tide_rolls-2009-03-24T17:55:00.000Z-Good_faith_edits?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tide_rolls-2009-03-24T17:55:00.000Z-Good_faith_edits?"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-24T18:31:00.000Z-Tide_rolls-2009-03-24T17:55:00.000Z"></span>JAFN. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-24T18:31:00.000Z-Tide_rolls-2009-03-24T17:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-24T18:31:00.000Z-Tide_rolls-2009-03-24T17:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-24T18:31:00.000Z-Tide_rolls-2009-03-24T17:55:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_talk:69.194.137.183" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_talk:69.194.137.183-2009-03-24T18:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_talk:69.194.137.183-2009-03-24T18:38:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:69.194.137.183" title="User talk:69.194.137.183">User talk:69.194.137.183</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_talk:69.194.137.183-2009-03-24T18:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xeno-2009-03-24T18:38:00.000Z-User_talk:69.194.137.183"></span>Do you think the user who made the legal threat has moved on to a new IP yet? (Blocked since 2006) –<span style="font-family:Verdana;"><a href="/wiki/User:Xeno" title="User:Xeno"><span style="color:black;"><b>xeno</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xeno" title="User talk:Xeno"><span style="color:black;">talk</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Xeno-2009-03-24T18:38:00.000Z-User_talk:69.194.137.183" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xeno-2009-03-24T18:38:00.000Z-User_talk:69.194.137.183"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xeno-2009-03-24T18:38:00.000Z-User_talk:69.194.137.183"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-24T19:02:00.000Z-Xeno-2009-03-24T18:38:00.000Z"></span>I imagine so. Unblocked; thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-24T19:02:00.000Z-Xeno-2009-03-24T18:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-24T19:02:00.000Z-Xeno-2009-03-24T18:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-24T19:02:00.000Z-Xeno-2009-03-24T18:38:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xeno-2009-03-24T19:27:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-24T19:02:00.000Z"></span>cheers, –<span style="font-family:Verdana;"><a href="/wiki/User:Xeno" title="User:Xeno"><span style="color:black;"><b>xeno</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xeno" title="User talk:Xeno"><span style="color:black;">talk</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Xeno-2009-03-24T19:27:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-24T19:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 24 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xeno-2009-03-24T19:27:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-24T19:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xeno-2009-03-24T19:27:00.000Z-Jpgordon-2009-03-24T19:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deletion_Mutation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletion_Mutation-2009-03-28T20:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletion_Mutation-2009-03-28T20:21:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deletion_Mutation" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Deletion Mutation">Deletion Mutation</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletion_Mutation-2009-03-28T20:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deletion_Mutation" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Deletion Mutation"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neurolysis-2009-03-28T20:21:00.000Z-Deletion_Mutation"></span>Deletion Mutation</a> has requested that you discuss his block/checkuser results at his talk page, and has asked for someone to notify both the blocking administrator and the closing checkuser. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;"><b>— <a href="/wiki/User:Neurolysis" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Neurolysis"><span style="color:#5A3696;">neuro</span></a></b><sup><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neurolysis" title="User talk:Neurolysis"><span style="color:#5A3696;">(talk)</span></a><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_review/Neurolysis" title="Wikipedia:Editor review/Neurolysis">(review)</a></i></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Neurolysis-2009-03-28T20:21:00.000Z-Deletion_Mutation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 28 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neurolysis-2009-03-28T20:21:00.000Z-Deletion_Mutation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neurolysis-2009-03-28T20:21:00.000Z-Deletion_Mutation"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-28T20:27:00.000Z-Neurolysis-2009-03-28T20:21:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. It seems straightforward to me; perhaps another checkuser might want to double-check my results, as always. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-28T20:27:00.000Z-Neurolysis-2009-03-28T20:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-28T20:27:00.000Z-Neurolysis-2009-03-28T20:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-28T20:27:00.000Z-Neurolysis-2009-03-28T20:21:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Image_copyright_problem_with_File:Octotweak.jpg" data-mw-thread-id="h-Image_copyright_problem_with_File:Octotweak.jpg-2009-03-30T21:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Image_copyright_problem_with_File:Octotweak.jpg-2009-03-30T21:50:00.000Z"></span>Image copyright problem with File:Octotweak.jpg<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Image_copyright_problem_with_File:Octotweak.jpg-2009-03-30T21:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-STBotI-2009-03-30T21:50:00.000Z-Image_copyright_problem_with_File:Octotweak.jpg"></span>Thanks for uploading <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Octotweak.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Octotweak.jpg (page does not exist)">File:Octotweak.jpg</a>. The image has been identified as not specifying the copyright status of the image, which is required by Wikipedia's policy on images. Even if you created the image yourself, you still need to release it so Wikipedia can use it. If you don't indicate the copyright status of the image on the image's description page, using an appropriate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ICT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ICT">copyright tag</a>, it may be deleted some time in the next seven days. 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NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. <a href="/wiki/User:STBotI" title="User:STBotI">STBotI</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:STBotI" title="User talk:STBotI">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-STBotI-2009-03-30T21:50:00.000Z-Image_copyright_problem_with_File:Octotweak.jpg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 30 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-STBotI-2009-03-30T21:50:00.000Z-Image_copyright_problem_with_File:Octotweak.jpg"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-STBotI-2009-03-30T21:50:00.000Z-Image_copyright_problem_with_File:Octotweak.jpg"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="hi_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-hi_2-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-hi_2-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z"></span>hi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-hi_2-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rick_Tryker-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z-hi_2"></span>who do you think was the most confusing, sly, vandalizing sockpuppets you ever delt of, or heard of? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rick_Tryker&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rick Tryker (page does not exist)">Rick Tryker</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rick_Tryker&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Rick Tryker (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Rick_Tryker-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z-hi_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 30 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rick_Tryker-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z-hi_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rick_Tryker-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z-hi_2"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-31T00:57:00.000Z-hi_2"></span>oh, by the way, im <i>not</i> trying to set a record. see <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rick_Tryker&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Rick Tryker (page does not exist)">on my talk</a> </p> <ul><li>I really couldn't say; I don't make a point of comparing pieces of dogcrap I encounter on the trail, either. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-31T00:57:00.000Z-hi_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-31T00:57:00.000Z-hi_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-31T00:57:00.000Z-hi_2"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Multiple_accounts_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Multiple_accounts_2-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Multiple_accounts_2-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z"></span>Multiple accounts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Multiple_accounts_2-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-91.108.208.101-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z-Multiple_accounts_2"></span>Hi Jpgordon. I've noticed you go round blocking people for "abusing multiple accounts". I have several accounts that I use to edit with, but it's not to evade blocks or anything like that, it's just so I can voice my opinions a bit stronger. I wasn't aware that there was a policy against using more than one account until now, so I just wanted to find out from you if this was ok, or if I'm going to end up banned? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/91.108.208.101" title="Special:Contributions/91.108.208.101">91.108.208.101</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:91.108.208.101" title="User talk:91.108.208.101">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-91.108.208.101-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z-Multiple_accounts_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 30 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-91.108.208.101-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z-Multiple_accounts_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-91.108.208.101-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z-Multiple_accounts_2"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-31T00:51:00.000Z-91.108.208.101-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z"></span>"Voice my opinions a bit stronger" is exactly what you may not use multiple accounts for; we call it "evading scrutiny". The best thing to do is either stick to exactly one account or stay completely away from any policy areas. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-31T00:51:00.000Z-91.108.208.101-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-31T00:51:00.000Z-91.108.208.101-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-31T00:51:00.000Z-91.108.208.101-2009-03-30T22:20:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-91.108.208.101-2009-03-31T16:10:00.000Z-Multiple_accounts_2"></span>Oh christ! Who knows how many other policies I've violated! :S <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/91.108.208.101" title="Special:Contributions/91.108.208.101">91.108.208.101</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:91.108.208.101" title="User talk:91.108.208.101">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-91.108.208.101-2009-03-31T16:10:00.000Z-Multiple_accounts_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-91.108.208.101-2009-03-31T16:10:00.000Z-Multiple_accounts_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-91.108.208.101-2009-03-31T16:10:00.000Z-Multiple_accounts_2"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thanks_(and...)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thanks_(and...)-2009-03-31T16:17:00.000Z"><span id="Thanks_.28and....29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thanks_(and...)-2009-03-31T16:17:00.000Z"></span>Thanks (and...)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thanks_(and...)-2009-03-31T16:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Boston-2009-03-31T16:17:00.000Z-Thanks_(and...)"></span>sockpuppetry|socking]]. Another admin shut down their IP address after they did 7 vandalisms today. Peace and best wishes. --<a href="/wiki/User:Boston" title="User:Boston">Boston</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Boston" title="User talk:Boston">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Boston-2009-03-31T16:17:00.000Z-Thanks_(and...)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Boston-2009-03-31T16:17:00.000Z-Thanks_(and...)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Boston-2009-03-31T16:17:00.000Z-Thanks_(and...)"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation-2009-03-25T22:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation-2009-03-25T22:12:00.000Z"></span>I need your help about a false sock puppet acussation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation-2009-03-25T22:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-200.61.154.31-2009-03-25T22:12:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span>Dear administrator. My now blocked name is RodolfoMita or RodolfMita. We have a long discussion with <a href="/w/index.php?title=Oli_Filth&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Oli Filth (page does not exist)">Oli_Filth</a> because he discriminates the Latin America people in scientific and technical matters. Please se <a href="/wiki/Audio_amplifier" class="mw-redirect" title="Audio amplifier">Audio amplifier</a> talk page the comment about his discrimination to Professor Bonello. The Oli_Filth reply to my accusation was to block me (and other university teachers) . The real true is as follows. As a resulto of a goog work of the AudioEngineering Society, New York in Latin America, giving conferences, Recording studios visits, etc. A rising interest in Acoustics and Audio Engineering can be noted in universities of South America (mainly Argentina, Brasil, Venezuela, Ecuador, Colombia and Chile) Then many professors at universities (including myself) are interested in improving the students participation. One thing we noted is that Wikipedia, frequently consulted by students, has a poor documented articles in this field. Sometimes with personal opinions with no scientific based concepts. All professors usually communicates among us using the Educational News Report, received by e-mail. We did a good work, that lasts about 10 months with the agreement of many editors… But at this point Oli_Filth starts erasing our work because (he said) the name of Professor Bonello is “promotion” Please note that Bonello is a FELLOW member of AES New York (www.aes.org) . Then I ask myself; why several young editors that teaches at universities are now for Wikipedia like a gang of gangsters ? Why our work scientifically documented is continuously erased and never discussed at talk pages ? List of erased articles (previously accepted by others editors) are </p><p>MP3 Audio amplifiers Audio signal processing Room acoustic (erased by Oli_Filth but now restored by other editors) FM Broadcasting Tephone Hybrids An so on… </p><p>Please what we must do ? Regards <a href="/wiki/User:RodolfMita" title="User:RodolfMita">User:RodolfMita</a> (now blocked) --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/200.61.154.31" title="Special:Contributions/200.61.154.31">200.61.154.31</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:200.61.154.31&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:200.61.154.31 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-200.61.154.31-2009-03-25T22:12:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 25 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-200.61.154.31-2009-03-25T22:12:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-200.61.154.31-2009-03-25T22:12:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-26T00:34:00.000Z-200.61.154.31-2009-03-25T22:12:00.000Z"></span>You must not edit on Wikipedia while blocked, except to request unblocking on your user talk page (which can still be edited by the blocked user.) But it does look quite evident that <a href="/wiki/User:RodolfMita" title="User:RodolfMita">User:RodolfMita</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Binksternek" title="User:Binksternek">User:Binksternek</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RobertTanzi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RobertTanzi (page does not exist)">User:RobertTanzi</a>, and <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Albert-Kraft&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Albert-Kraft (page does not exist)">User:Albert-Kraft</a> aer the same person, which is going to badly damage any claim you have to acting in good faith. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-26T00:34:00.000Z-200.61.154.31-2009-03-25T22:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-26T00:34:00.000Z-200.61.154.31-2009-03-25T22:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-26T00:34:00.000Z-200.61.154.31-2009-03-25T22:12:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-200.61.154.177-2009-03-26T20:57:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span>Thank you for your reply,</b> but I feel it do not solve my problem. I will try to be more clear: </p><p>a) When you said: <i>"But it does look quite evident that <a href="/wiki/User:RodolfMita" title="User:RodolfMita">User:RodolfMita</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Binksternek" title="User:Binksternek">User:Binksternek</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RobertTanzi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RobertTanzi (page does not exist)">User:RobertTanzi</a>, and <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Albert-Kraft&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Albert-Kraft (page does not exist)">User:Albert-Kraft</a> are the same person"</i> I do not understand your proof. They are at different countries (you can test it using IP address) They are different persons with <b>the same purpose</b> That is edit acoustical articles to improve it (please see again my comments at the beginin of this text) Then, Oli_Filth has bloked me with no evidence. What is the next step ? Since you are an Administrator; can you unblock me ? </p><p>b) item a) can be solved in my case or not because hundred of professors and doctorate students in Latin America probably wishes to come into Wiki to add Acoustics articles, please let me know what to do with the people discrimination problem ? If Oli_Filth (or others) still discriminates me and all the other editors (including new editors) that writes references to resarch work did in Latin America. What we must do ? Plese remembre that to block editors is a punishment measure used to improve an illegal situation of People Discrimination (First step: erasure, Second step: block Latin American editors) Please let me know exactly what to do. Can you help me to solve this problem? Or I must use another Wikipedia path to stop people discrimination ? In this case what I must do ? </p><p>Best regards <a href="/w/index.php?title=RodolfMita&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="RodolfMita (page does not exist)">RodolfMita</a>--<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/200.61.154.177" title="Special:Contributions/200.61.154.177">200.61.154.177</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:200.61.154.177&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:200.61.154.177 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-200.61.154.177-2009-03-26T20:57:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-200.61.154.177-2009-03-26T20:57:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-200.61.154.177-2009-03-26T20:57:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-26T20:58:00.000Z-200.61.154.177-2009-03-26T20:57:00.000Z"></span>No, they are not in different countries. The only way you will get unblocked is by posting an unblock notice on your own user talk page. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-26T20:58:00.000Z-200.61.154.177-2009-03-26T20:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 26 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-26T20:58:00.000Z-200.61.154.177-2009-03-26T20:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-26T20:58:00.000Z-200.61.154.177-2009-03-26T20:57:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-200.61.154.114-2009-03-27T21:11:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span>Thank you again.</b> But the main question is item b. How the Latin American editors can avoid discrimination ? There is not sense in asking for be unblocked if Oli_Filth or another people can discriminate me (or others) again and block me again? Please this issue is not a joke. Can you give me a detailed explanation about what to do into Wikipedia to solve this problem ? Or we must presente a case for discrimination at the USA Embassy in Colombia, Chile or Buenos Aires ? (recently it happens with Facebook) What do you recommend me ? Regards <a href="/w/index.php?title=RodolfMita&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="RodolfMita (page does not exist)">RodolfMita</a>--<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/200.61.154.114" title="Special:Contributions/200.61.154.114">200.61.154.114</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:200.61.154.114&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:200.61.154.114 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-200.61.154.114-2009-03-27T21:11:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-200.61.154.114-2009-03-27T21:11:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-200.61.154.114-2009-03-27T21:11:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-27T21:13:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span>I recommend you not edit while you are blocked; I will not answer any more of your questions here. --</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-27T21:13:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 27 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-27T21:13:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-27T21:13:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span> </p><p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BetoVinci-2009-03-29T16:05:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span>Dear Jpgordon:</b> I have the same problem that RodolfMita about <b>Discrimination</b> Of course I am not blocked. I am editor about Acoustics I had a couple of discussions with Oli_Filth. Please give me information about how to proceed: </p> <ul><li><ul><li>Does Wikipedia have an internal procedure to avoid Discrimination ?</li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li><ul><li>Must I presente the case outside Wiki (USA Embassy, Local discriminations comitee, etc ) ?</li></ul></li></ul> <p>Regards --<a href="/wiki/User:BetoVinci" title="User:BetoVinci">BetoVinci</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BetoVinci" title="User talk:BetoVinci">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-BetoVinci-2009-03-29T16:05:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 29 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BetoVinci-2009-03-29T16:05:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BetoVinci-2009-03-29T16:05:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-29T16:20:00.000Z-BetoVinci-2009-03-29T16:05:00.000Z"></span>You are obviously and verifiably the same person. I've blocked this account also. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-29T16:20:00.000Z-BetoVinci-2009-03-29T16:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-29T16:20:00.000Z-BetoVinci-2009-03-29T16:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-29T16:20:00.000Z-BetoVinci-2009-03-29T16:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-174.34.141.37-2009-03-31T21:07:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span>Hello Gordon</b> I wish to read your opinion about the main issue: Discrimination regards <a href="/w/index.php?title=MarkAlonso&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="MarkAlonso (page does not exist)">MarkAlonso</a> --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/174.34.141.37" title="Special:Contributions/174.34.141.37">174.34.141.37</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:174.34.141.37" title="User talk:174.34.141.37">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-174.34.141.37-2009-03-31T21:07:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-174.34.141.37-2009-03-31T21:07:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-174.34.141.37-2009-03-31T21:07:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-31T22:21:00.000Z-174.34.141.37-2009-03-31T21:07:00.000Z"></span>My opinion is you should stop attempting to edit when you are blocked, from any account, or in any way. Your allegations of discrimination are without basis; since Wikipedia depends on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> and a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">neutral point of view</a>, as opposed to any concern with the personal background, beliefs, or opinions of our editors, it doesn't matter at all where the editor comes from. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-03-31T22:21:00.000Z-174.34.141.37-2009-03-31T21:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-31T22:21:00.000Z-174.34.141.37-2009-03-31T21:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-03-31T22:21:00.000Z-174.34.141.37-2009-03-31T21:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-94.76.196.61-2009-04-01T14:16:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span> I follow this discussion with interest. Why do you think that in all cases are the same person ? I see different IPs RGDS--<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.76.196.61" title="Special:Contributions/94.76.196.61">94.76.196.61</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:94.76.196.61&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:94.76.196.61 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-94.76.196.61-2009-04-01T14:16:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 1 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-94.76.196.61-2009-04-01T14:16:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-94.76.196.61-2009-04-01T14:16:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-04-01T14:24:00.000Z-94.76.196.61-2009-04-01T14:16:00.000Z"></span>Just part of my <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CHECKUSER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CHECKUSER">responsibilities</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-04-01T14:24:00.000Z-94.76.196.61-2009-04-01T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:24, 1 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-04-01T14:24:00.000Z-94.76.196.61-2009-04-01T14:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-04-01T14:24:00.000Z-94.76.196.61-2009-04-01T14:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-174.34.141.35-2009-04-03T00:49:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span>Dear Mr Gordon; I am very new in Wiki. You mention earlier to use <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> Please let me know if in the technical field a paper published for a peer reviewed Journal is accepted as reliable. Regards Mark Spencer --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/174.34.141.35" title="Special:Contributions/174.34.141.35">174.34.141.35</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:174.34.141.35" title="User talk:174.34.141.35">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-174.34.141.35-2009-04-03T00:49:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 3 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-174.34.141.35-2009-04-03T00:49:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-174.34.141.35-2009-04-03T00:49:00.000Z-I_need_your_help_about_a_false_sock_puppet_acussation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpgordon-2009-04-03T03:51:00.000Z-174.34.141.35-2009-04-03T00:49:00.000Z"></span>Generally, yeah. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jpgordon" title="User:Jpgordon">jpgordon</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon" title="User talk:Jpgordon">∇∆∇∆</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4#c-Jpgordon-2009-04-03T03:51:00.000Z-174.34.141.35-2009-04-03T00:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:51, 3 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpgordon-2009-04-03T03:51:00.000Z-174.34.141.35-2009-04-03T00:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpgordon-2009-04-03T03:51:00.000Z-174.34.141.35-2009-04-03T00:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BtZkdpAkgc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BtZkdpAkgc</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-2">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BtZkdpAkgc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BtZkdpAkgc</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-3">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://anibalgobernador.com/blog/?n=129">http://anibalgobernador.com/blog/?n=129</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-4"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-4">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BtZkdpAkgc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BtZkdpAkgc</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-5"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-5">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.primerahora.com/noticia/otras/noticias/libre_sin_fianza_anibal_acevedo_vila/173083">http://www.primerahora.com/noticia/otras/noticias/libre_sin_fianza_anibal_acevedo_vila/173083</a>]</span> </li> </ol></div>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4&oldid=1266889573">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jpgordon/Archive_4&oldid=1266889573</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 2 January 2025, at 18:09<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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