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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Supermorff-2020-03-02T21:10:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Page_exported_to_RPG_Museum-2020-03-02T21:10:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Supermorff-2020-03-02T21:10:00.000Z-Page_exported_to_RPG_Museum&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Page exported to RPG Museum&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Page exported to RPG Museum&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Supermorff-2020-03-02T21:10:00.000Z-Page_exported_to_RPG_Museum"></span>On 2 March 2020, the Dungeons &amp; Dragons (1974) page and its complete edit history has been exported from here and imported at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://rpgmuseum.fandom.com/wiki/Dungeons_%26_Dragons_(1974)">RPG Museum</a>, a growing wiki on Fandom that intends to be a resource for all tabletop 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RPG Museum is using this content under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Supermorff" title="User:Supermorff">Supermorff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Supermorff" title="User talk:Supermorff">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dungeons_%26_Dragons_(1974)#c-Supermorff-2020-03-02T21:10:00.000Z-Page_exported_to_RPG_Museum" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 2 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Supermorff-2020-03-02T21:10:00.000Z-Page_exported_to_RPG_Museum"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-03-02T21:10:00.000Z","author":"Supermorff","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Supermorff-2020-03-02T21:10:00.000Z-Page_exported_to_RPG_Museum","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Supermorff-2020-03-02T21:10:00.000Z-Page_exported_to_RPG_Museum"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Dchmelik-20241103111600&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-literary_editions-20241103111600&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Dchmelik-20241103111600-literary_editions&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;literary editions&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;literary editions&quot;}--><h2 id="literary_editions" data-mw-thread-id="h-literary_editions-20241103111600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-literary_editions-20241103111600"></span>literary editions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-literary_editions-20241103111600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dungeons_%26_Dragons_(1974)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=4" title="Edit section: literary editions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Dchmelik-20241103111600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-literary_editions-20241103111600","replies":["c-Dchmelik-20241103111600-literary_editions"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Dchmelik-20241104022700-BOZ-20241103131000","timestamp":"20241104022700"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Dchmelik-20241103111600&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-literary_editions-20241103111600&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Dchmelik-20241103111600-literary_editions&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;literary editions&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;literary editions&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dchmelik-20241103111600-literary_editions"></span>There were at least two literary editions: originally with <a href="/wiki/Arda_(Middle-earth)" class="mw-redirect" title="Arda (Middle-earth)">Arda</a> (<a href="/wiki/JRR_Tolkien" class="mw-redirect" title="JRR Tolkien">James RR Tolkien</a>'s world) material (mentioned in this article second) and then renames (mentioned first). I think the original material should be mentioned first, probably with note of the copyright issue--<a href="/wiki/User:Dchmelik" title="User:Dchmelik">dchmelik</a>☀️🦉🐝🐍(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dchmelik" title="User talk:Dchmelik">talk</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dchmelik" title="Special:Contributions/Dchmelik">contrib</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dungeons_%26_Dragons_(1974)#c-Dchmelik-20241103111600-literary_editions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dchmelik-20241103111600-literary_editions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241103111600","author":"Dchmelik","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dchmelik-20241103111600-literary_editions","replies":["c-BOZ-20241103131000-Dchmelik-20241103111600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dchmelik-20241103111600-literary_editions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BOZ-20241103131000-Dchmelik-20241103111600"></span>We're going to need to see a source for that. <a href="/wiki/User:BOZ" title="User:BOZ">BOZ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BOZ" title="User talk:BOZ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dungeons_%26_Dragons_(1974)#c-BOZ-20241103131000-Dchmelik-20241103111600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BOZ-20241103131000-Dchmelik-20241103111600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241103131000","author":"BOZ","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BOZ-20241103131000-Dchmelik-20241103111600","replies":["c-Dchmelik-20241104022700-BOZ-20241103131000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BOZ-20241103131000-Dchmelik-20241103111600"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dchmelik-20241104022700-BOZ-20241103131000"></span>People already cited those describing brown (first), white (second) box ediitons. Brown box has balrogs, ents, hobbits, nazgul, etc. (Arda material), and the white box renamed them balors, treants, halflings, maybe something such as wraiths, which cited sources describe the first having Arda material and the second (and later printings) changing these words to generic (so is a second literary edition, despite same ruleset edition)--<a href="/wiki/User:Dchmelik" title="User:Dchmelik">dchmelik</a>☀️🦉🐝🐍(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dchmelik" title="User talk:Dchmelik">talk</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dchmelik" title="Special:Contributions/Dchmelik">contrib</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dungeons_%26_Dragons_(1974)#c-Dchmelik-20241104022700-BOZ-20241103131000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dchmelik-20241104022700-BOZ-20241103131000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104022700","author":"Dchmelik","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dchmelik-20241104022700-BOZ-20241103131000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dchmelik-20241104022700-BOZ-20241103131000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐api‐int.codfw.main‐65c957f8cf‐66kbf Cached time: 20241209051710 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1, show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.015 seconds CPU time usage: 0.220 seconds Real time usage: 0.274 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 630/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 28715/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 2190/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 12/100 Expensive parser function count: 8/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 18286/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.156/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 1742802/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 212.664 1 -total 97.61% 207.576 1 Template:WikiProject_banner_shell 62.05% 131.967 1 Template:WikiProject_Dungeons_&amp;_Dragons 3.64% 7.743 1 Template:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors 2.32% 4.936 1 Template:Sourcecheck 2.29% 4.865 1 Template:Tasks 1.02% 2.175 1 Template:Tick 0.92% 1.961 1 Template:Importance_mask 0.63% 1.336 1 Template:Yesno --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:19274149:|#|:idhash:canonical and timestamp 20241209051710 and revision id 1255280624. 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