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screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .wpb-category-box{background-color:#0a0a0a}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb .wpb-main,html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb-header{background-color:#302f2d}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .wpbs .banner-shell-inner{background-color:#2e2505}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .wpb-category-box{background-color:#0a0a0a}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb .wpb-main,html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb-header{background-color:#302f2d}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .wpbs .banner-shell-inner{background-color:#2e2505}}</style><table class="tmbox tmbox-notice mw-collapsible innercollapse wpb wpb-table"><tbody><tr class="wpb-header"><td class="wpb-header-icon"><a href="/wiki/File:Globe_icon_(the_Noun_Project_30701).svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Globe_icon_%28the_Noun_Project_30701%29.svg/25px-Globe_icon_%28the_Noun_Project_30701%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Globe_icon_%28the_Noun_Project_30701%29.svg/38px-Globe_icon_%28the_Noun_Project_30701%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Globe_icon_%28the_Noun_Project_30701%29.svg/50px-Globe_icon_%28the_Noun_Project_30701%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="100" data-file-height="100"></a></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Websites" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Websites">Websites</a>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computing" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing">Computing</a> Low‑importance</td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><a href="/wiki/File:Globe_icon_(the_Noun_Project_30701).svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Globe_icon_%28the_Noun_Project_30701%29.svg/80px-Globe_icon_%28the_Noun_Project_30701%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="80" height="80" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Globe_icon_%28the_Noun_Project_30701%29.svg/120px-Globe_icon_%28the_Noun_Project_30701%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Globe_icon_%28the_Noun_Project_30701%29.svg/160px-Globe_icon_%28the_Noun_Project_30701%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="100" data-file-height="100"></a></td><td class="mbox-text">This article is part of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Websites" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Websites">WikiProject Websites</a>, an attempt to create and link together articles about the major <a href="/wiki/Website" title="Website">websites</a> on the web. To participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Websites" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Websites">project page</a>.WebsitesWikipedia:WikiProject WebsitesTemplate:WikiProject WebsitesWebsites articles</td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-low"><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_Websites_articles" title="Category:Low-importance Websites articles">Low</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as Low-importance on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Release_Version_Criteria#Importance_of_topic" title="Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Release Version Criteria">importance scale</a>.</td></tr><tr><td><figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Crystal_128_kcontrol.png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Taskforce icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Crystal_128_kcontrol.png/25px-Crystal_128_kcontrol.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Crystal_128_kcontrol.png/38px-Crystal_128_kcontrol.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Crystal_128_kcontrol.png/50px-Crystal_128_kcontrol.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article is supported by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computing" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing">WikiProject Computing</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1259570071"><table class="tmbox tmbox-notice mw-collapsible innercollapse wpb wpb-table"><tbody><tr class="wpb-header"><td class="wpb-header-icon"><a href="/wiki/File:Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg/25px-Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg/38px-Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg/50px-Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="407" data-file-height="407"></a></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Internet" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Internet">Internet</a> Low‑importance</td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><a href="/wiki/File:Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg/50px-Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg/75px-Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg/100px-Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="407" data-file-height="407"></a></td><td class="mbox-text"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1259569809">.mw-parser-output .portalbox{padding:0;margin:0.5em 0;display:table;box-sizing:border-box;max-width:175px;list-style:none}.mw-parser-output .portalborder{border:1px solid 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg/28px-Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg.png" decoding="async" width="28" height="28" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg/42px-Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg/56px-Crystal_Clear_app_linneighborhood.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="407" data-file-height="407"></a><a href="/wiki/Portal:Internet" title="Portal:Internet">Internet portal</a></li></ul>This article is within the scope of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Internet" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Internet">WikiProject Internet</a>, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the <a href="/wiki/Internet" title="Internet">Internet</a> on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Internet" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Internet">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.InternetWikipedia:WikiProject InternetTemplate:WikiProject InternetInternet articles</td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-low"><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_Internet_articles" title="Category:Low-importance Internet articles">Low</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as Low-importance on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Internet/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Internet/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1259570071"><table class="tmbox tmbox-notice mw-collapsible innercollapse wpb wpb-table"><tbody><tr class="wpb-header"><td class="wpb-header-icon"><a href="/wiki/File:LibraryCongressWashDC.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/LibraryCongressWashDC.jpg/35px-LibraryCongressWashDC.jpg" decoding="async" width="35" height="19" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/LibraryCongressWashDC.jpg/53px-LibraryCongressWashDC.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/LibraryCongressWashDC.jpg/70px-LibraryCongressWashDC.jpg 2x" data-file-width="583" data-file-height="320"></a></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Libraries" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Libraries">Libraries</a> Low‑importance</td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><a href="/wiki/File:LibraryCongressWashDC.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/LibraryCongressWashDC.jpg/75px-LibraryCongressWashDC.jpg" decoding="async" width="75" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/LibraryCongressWashDC.jpg/113px-LibraryCongressWashDC.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/LibraryCongressWashDC.jpg/150px-LibraryCongressWashDC.jpg 2x" data-file-width="583" data-file-height="320"></a></td><td class="mbox-text">This article is within the scope of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Libraries" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Libraries">WikiProject Libraries</a>, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of <a href="/wiki/Libraries" class="mw-redirect" title="Libraries">Libraries</a> on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Libraries" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Libraries">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.LibrariesWikipedia:WikiProject LibrariesTemplate:WikiProject LibrariesLibraries articles</td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-low"><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_Libraries_articles" title="Category:Low-importance Libraries articles">Low</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as Low-importance on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Libraries/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Libraries/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ambox_warning_blue.svg/40px-Ambox_warning_blue.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="34" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ambox_warning_blue.svg/60px-Ambox_warning_blue.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ambox_warning_blue.svg/80px-Ambox_warning_blue.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"></td><td class="mbox-text">The following Wikipedia contributor may be personally or professionally connected to the subject of this article. 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The result of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_June_1" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 June 1">the discussion</a> was recreation allowed.</td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td><td class="mbox-text">This article was nominated for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">deletion</a>. Review prior discussions if considering re-nomination: <table style="width:100%"><tbody><tr><td><ul><li>keep, 10 June 2015, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Archive.is_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Archive.is (2nd nomination)">discussion</a>.</li><li>delete, 17 September 2013, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Archive.is" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Archive.is">discussion</a>.</li></ul></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none"><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Copyright">1 Copyright</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#See_also">2 See also</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#How_does_automatic_archiving_work?">3 How does automatic archiving work?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#Useful_feature">4 Useful feature</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#wiki.dandascalescu.com">5 wiki.dandascalescu.com</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#Robot_Exclusion_Standard">6 Robot Exclusion Standard</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#filter_misbehaviour">7 filter misbehaviour</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Country_blocking">8 Country blocking</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Removal_of_archived_content">9 Removal of archived content</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Hatnote">10 Hatnote</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#Wikipedia:Archive.is_RFC_4">11 Wikipedia:Archive.is RFC 4</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#'Worldwide_availability'_section">12 'Worldwide availability' section</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#Use_cases">13 Use cases</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#RfC:_long_or_short_URL">14 RfC: long or short URL</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#In_hindsight">15 In hindsight</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#archive.fo">16 archive.fo</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#How_to_I_meet_verifiability_to_say_the_site_is_hosted_at_Hostkey_(_hostkey.nl_/_hostkey.ru_)_?">17 How to I meet verifiability to say the site is hosted at Hostkey ( hostkey.nl / hostkey.ru ) ?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#Some_links_I_found_citing_it's_now_at_Hostkey.ru_/_Hostkey.nl">18 Some links I found citing it's now at Hostkey.ru / Hostkey.nl</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="#Data_centers">19 Data centers</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#Reliability">20 Reliability</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="#How_many_pages?">21 How many pages?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="#Contents_are_regurarly_deleted_or_filtered">22 Contents are regurarly deleted or filtered</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-23"><a href="#Who_owns/runs_this_site?">23 Who owns/runs this site?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-24"><a href="#https_not_working?">24 https not working?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-25"><a href="#Blocked_in_New_Zealand?">25 Blocked in New Zealand?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-26"><a href="#Digital_preservation_open_archives_are_unavoidable_for_a_long-term_content_provider_based_on_external_primary_sources_likeWikipedia">26 Digital preservation open archives are unavoidable for a long-term content provider based on external primary sources likeWikipedia</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-27"><a href="#Supported_browsers">27 Supported browsers</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-28"><a href="#past_tense?">28 past tense?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-29"><a href="#Possible_Mistake">29 Possible Mistake</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-30"><a href="#FrescoBot">30 FrescoBot</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-31"><a href="#Blocked_in_Australia?">31 Blocked in Australia?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-32"><a href="#Down_September_2021">32 Down September 2021</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-33"><a href="#Ownership">33 Ownership</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-34"><a href="#Is_commercial_site?_(Reliable_source?)">34 Is commercial site? (Reliable source?)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-35"><a href="#Cloudflare_DNS_service">35 Cloudflare DNS service</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-36"><a href="#Outage">36 Outage</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-37"><a href="#Error_1001_for_a_while_now_in_South_Africa">37 Error 1001 for a while now in South Africa</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-38"><a href="#Completely_dead?">38 Completely dead?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-39"><a href="#Some_domains_are_down">39 Some domains are down</a></li> </ul> </div> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(1)"><h2 id="Copyright" data-mw-thread-id="h-Copyright-2014-06-26T13:36:00.000Z">Copyright</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Copyright" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-123' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Plimitarmed-2016-11-09T16:20:00.000Z-80.62.117.71-2014-06-26T13:36:00.000Z">8 years ago</a>4 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-1 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-1"> The article contains false information: "archive.today removes archived pages in response to DMCA takedown requests from copyright holders." As a webmaster, I've had my site scraped against my will and sent a properly formatted DMCA to both the site and its ISP. It is a scarping site, masking as an archiving service. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.62.117.71" title="Special:Contributions/80.62.117.71">80.62.117.71</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:80.62.117.71&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:80.62.117.71 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-80.62.117.71-2014-06-26T13:36:00.000Z-Copyright" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 26 June 2014 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Well it's hosted by a Russian company, Hostkey abuse@hostkey.nl and abuse@hostkey.ru -- after a year of complaining to Cloudflare they told me that. The owner of the site, Denis Petrov, many times does the scraping himself. He will scrape an entire website in a matter of hours. He runs a botnet with endless IPs constantly changing their headers and Cloudflare cannot block their scraper. I asked him extremely politely to remove my site a bit ago and he scraped the entire site in hours. He was doing 100 pages a second all from a botnet with many IPs. While I don't agree with every site on the spam blacklist of Wikipedia, I agree with this site on it, though he has mirror domains such as .fo and .ec that should be added. I don't edit here very much and mostly by IP so I'm not sure where to suggest those. <a href="/wiki/User:Plimitarmed" title="User:Plimitarmed">Plimitarmed</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plimitarmed" title="User talk:Plimitarmed">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Plimitarmed-2016-11-08T05:28:00.000Z-80.62.117.71-2014-06-26T13:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:28, 8 November 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>I noticed in the history of the article, the IP address 2a01:4f8:b10:5003:a:8:1:2. When Archive.is scrapes my website I often find that IP address among them. It belongs to that website. When I complained to Hostkey, they say I need to ship documents to them via airmail. <a href="/wiki/User:Plimitarmed" title="User:Plimitarmed">Plimitarmed</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plimitarmed" title="User talk:Plimitarmed">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Plimitarmed-2016-11-08T08:02:00.000Z-80.62.117.71-2014-06-26T13:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:02, 8 November 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>An IP came along, 113.180.75.25, and reduced my references to one. That IP is one I had seen from the archive.is scraper on my logs. Then a second IP came and removed the whole section. 80.221.159.67 had a problem with the article giving the current host of where Archive.is was hosted. <a href="/wiki/User:Plimitarmed" title="User:Plimitarmed">Plimitarmed</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plimitarmed" title="User talk:Plimitarmed">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Plimitarmed-2016-11-09T16:20:00.000Z-80.62.117.71-2014-06-26T13:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 9 November 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>Agree. Repeated Copyright violator. Complaints routinely ignored. It is not an archive. It is a an unauthorised partial duplicator of content. There are numerous clones. It might be possible to pursue each site, if an ISP -preferably not Russian- can be identified.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>As for the 'Functionality' comment</dd> <dd>"If a page has already been archived, archive.is asks the user to confirm archiving a new revision, instead of immediately archiving it."</dd> <dd>That is incorrect. The "archive" owner has never contacted me. Nor has anyone else proposing my site content to the owner.</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(2)"><h2 id="See_also" data-mw-thread-id="h-See_also-2013-07-26T19:06:00.000Z">See also</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: See also" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-124' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Ark25-2013-07-26T19:06:00.000Z-See_also">11 years ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Link_rot#Archive.is" title="Wikipedia talk:Link rot">Wikipedia talk:Link rot#Archive.is</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Rotlink" title="User:Rotlink">User:Rotlink</a> - the owner of Archive.is</li></ul> — <a href="/wiki/User:Ark25" title="User:Ark25"> Ark25 </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ark25" title="User talk:Ark25">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Ark25-2013-07-26T19:06:00.000Z-See_also" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:06, 26 July 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)"><h2 id="How_does_automatic_archiving_work?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_does_automatic_archiving_work?-2013-07-26T23:48:00.000Z">How does automatic archiving work?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: How does automatic archiving work?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-125' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Rotlink-2013-08-18T03:16:00.000Z-Ark25-2013-07-26T23:48:00.000Z">11 years ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256386598">.mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#F0F2F5;color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#CCFFCC;color:inherit}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}</style> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Discussion of features/bugs, not the article</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> If you look at <a href="https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biserica_de_lemn_din_Hili%C8%99eu-Cri%C8%99an" class="extiw" title="ro:Biserica de lemn din Hilișeu-Crișan">ro:Biserica de lemn din Hilișeu-Crișan</a>, there is a dead link: <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.ziarullumina.ro/articole;1418;1;3759;0;Schit-de-maici-cu-o-biserica-unicat.html">Lumina de duminică, 30 octombrie 2007</a> „Schit de maici cu o biserică unicat”, de Nicoleta Olaru</li></ul> Archive.is knows this link: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://archive.is/http://www.ziarullumina.ro/articole;1418;1;3759;0;Schit-de-maici-cu-o-biserica-unicat.html">http://archive.is/http://www.ziarullumina.ro/articole;1418;1;3759;0;Schit-de-maici-cu-o-biserica-unicat.html</a> Strangely, it has only a "newest shot" (6 Jul 2013 03:25) which is an error page and that makes me wonder if it ever had older "shots" and then maybe it deletes the older shots? That would be bad.. The link is there since 29 november 2010, so I guess it was archived before 6 Jul 2013 on Archive.is (Almost all external links of Wikipedia (all Wikipedias, not only English) were archived in May 2012 says the Archive.is owner here: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Link_rot#Archive.is" title="Wikipedia talk:Link rot">Wikipedia talk:Link rot#Archive.is</a>) It's a very very good idea to archive automatically all the external links of Wikipedia, but then it's very bad to delete them and to replace with newer shots, which will eventually end up in showing "dead link". It very much looks like Archive.is keeps only the newest shots when it archives pages automatically. — <a href="/wiki/User:Ark25" title="User:Ark25"> Ark25 </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ark25" title="User talk:Ark25">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Ark25-2013-07-26T23:48:00.000Z-How_does_automatic_archiving_work?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 26 July 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Hi. The page was not archived before 6 Jul 2013. It has short url <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://archive.is/HSzOE">http://archive.is/HSzOE</a>. This means it has the sequential ID of 47136582 and can also be accessed as <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://archive.is/id/47136582">http://archive.is/id/47136582</a> (it is not public url, something like debugging tool, do not use it for linking). If you have a look at the snapshots with the IDs around 47136582 (for example <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://archive.is/id/47136581">http://archive.is/id/47136581</a> or <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://archive.is/id/47136583">http://archive.is/id/47136583</a>) you will see that all of them were made 6 Jul 2013.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Some snapshots are re-archived and overwritten. These are snapshots from urls like <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.google.com/sorry/indexredirect?continue=http://another.url/">http://www.google.com/sorry/indexredirect?continue=http://another.url/</a>. Re-archiving would help when the server responds 500 error or captcha.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Realtime tracking of the recent changes in all national Wikipedias is a relatively new feature (it is fully on duty from May-June 2013), so no wonder that some links which had been in Wikipedia for years have been archived for the first time only in 2013. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotlink" title="User:Rotlink">Rotlink</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotlink" title="User talk:Rotlink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Rotlink-2013-08-18T03:16:00.000Z-Ark25-2013-07-26T23:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:16, 18 August 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(4)"><h2 id="Useful_feature" data-mw-thread-id="h-Useful_feature-2013-07-29T20:50:00.000Z">Useful feature</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Useful feature" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-126' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Lexein-2013-10-03T07:47:00.000Z-81.157.199.46-2013-07-29T20:50:00.000Z">11 years ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.fo/jU94S/35dab62492a4bd57207cf0f87ed0b33f52d3f97f/scr.png">Archive.is</a> can archive pages in the Google search cache. Once the content is archived, archive.is attributes it to the original website URL and not to Google's cache URL. This feature is useful when a site goes offline, that fact is noticed within a few days, the page isn't already archived in the <a href="/wiki/Internet_Archive" title="Internet Archive">Internet Archive</a>, <a href="/wiki/WebCite" title="WebCite">WebCite</a> or elsewhere, and the only remaining copy of the page appears to be in the Google search cache. - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/81.157.199.46" title="Special:Contributions/81.157.199.46">81.157.199.46</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:81.157.199.46&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:81.157.199.46 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-81.157.199.46-2013-07-29T20:50:00.000Z-Useful_feature" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 29 July 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>If this is a fact intended to go into the article, then an independent reliable source, or at the very least primary, published online documentation will be required to support it in an inline citation. This will necessitate more hard HTML documentation or help pages at archive.is. Statements by non-published (non-notable) or anonymous authors in blogs/wikis/forums cannot meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> requirements. --<a href="/wiki/User:Lexein" title="User:Lexein">Lexein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lexein" title="User talk:Lexein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Lexein-2013-10-03T07:47:00.000Z-81.157.199.46-2013-07-29T20:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:47, 3 October 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(5)"><h2 id="wiki.dandascalescu.com" data-mw-thread-id="h-wiki.dandascalescu.com-2013-09-21T14:51:00.000Z">wiki.dandascalescu.com</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: wiki.dandascalescu.com" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-127' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Lexein-2013-10-03T07:51:00.000Z-Rybec-2013-09-21T14:51:00.000Z">11 years ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> In the comments made in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Archive.is" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Archive.is">AfD discussion</a> I don't see a consensus for removing this citation. —<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rybec" title="User talk:Rybec">rybec</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Rybec-2013-09-21T14:51:00.000Z-wiki.dandascalescu.com" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 21 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>It's a wiki; that's a gnarly <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> problem, even if Dan Dascalescu is an established or published expert in the field or academia, cited by others. The blog might be assessed as RS if we can establish Dan's bona fides.--<a href="/wiki/User:Lexein" title="User:Lexein">Lexein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lexein" title="User talk:Lexein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Lexein-2013-10-03T07:51:00.000Z-Rybec-2013-09-21T14:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:51, 3 October 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(6)"><h2 id="Robot_Exclusion_Standard" data-mw-thread-id="h-Robot_Exclusion_Standard-2013-09-22T21:57:00.000Z">Robot Exclusion Standard</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Robot Exclusion Standard" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-128' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-GreenC-2019-04-17T17:51:00.000Z-94.38.235.96-2019-04-17T16:28:00.000Z">5 years ago</a>11 comments6 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-6 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-6"> The article seems to be getting mixed up regarding the <a href="/wiki/Robot_Exclusion_Standard" class="mw-redirect" title="Robot Exclusion Standard">Robot Exclusion Standard</a>, and the fact that Archive.is does not honor the standard, and what this means. The purpose of my recent edits was to clarify that this standard is used by the main archives (like WayBack and WebCite) to avoid infringing on copyrights, whereas Archive.is does not honor this standard, so there is a large amount of material re-hosted on Archive.is that is in violation of copyright law, specifically, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). Some other editors deleted the link I provided to the Robot Exclusion Standard (saying it is a "dead link", although I have no trouble accessing it), and then inserted the statement: "... however, the protocol is used against malware robots in general, which routinely scan the web for security vulnerabilities and email-address harvesters used by spammers. Archive.is does not obey the robot exclusion standard designed against spammers." I frankly don't understand these words. The Robot Exclusion Standard doesn't provide any protection against malware robots, nor against spammers. It is a voluntary standard that is used by responsible organizations to work together to avoid unintended interactions, among which are copyright violations (which of course are NOT discretionary). So, I propose to trim the words about malware and spam, and just go back to the relevant and well-sourced statements about how archives use robot exclusion to avoid copyright infringement, and the well-sourced and undisputed fact that Archive.is does not honor this standard. I'll also add the requested citation for the DMCA.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weakestletter&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weakestletter (page does not exist)">Weakestletter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Weakestletter" title="User talk:Weakestletter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Weakestletter-2013-09-22T21:57:00.000Z-Robot_Exclusion_Standard" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 22 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>By the way, as I was editing the article, I noticed that the words about malware and spam actually make no sense at all, because they say "the protocol is used against malware", and yet the cited reference says just the opposite: "...malware robots that scan the web for security vulnerabilities, and email address harvesters used by spammers will pay no attention. " These words signify that the protocol is NOT useful against malware or spammers. So those edits to the article are clearly not right. I've deleted them.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weakestletter&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weakestletter (page does not exist)">Weakestletter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Weakestletter" title="User talk:Weakestletter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Weakestletter-2013-09-22T22:04:00.000Z-Weakestletter-2013-09-22T21:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 22 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Yeah, that looks like a basic misunderstanding of what robots.txt actually does -- i.e. nothing by itself -- it is the robots that choose to act or not act on it. — <a href="/wiki/User:Hellknowz" title="User:Hellknowz">HELLKNOWZ</a> ▎<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hellknowz" title="User talk:Hellknowz">TALK</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Hellknowz-2013-09-22T22:58:00.000Z-Weakestletter-2013-09-22T22:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 22 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>The article seems to imply that pages are retrieved when someone requests that they be archived, and that archive.is doesn't retrieve pages en masse but singly when someone requests a page. If it's not crawling sites, it's debatable whether it's a <a href="/wiki/Internet_bot" title="Internet bot">bot</a>.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>If someone were to spider and republish the contents of a Web site, the mere absence of a <code>robots.txt</code> would make a poor defence against claims of copyright infringement. <a href="/wiki/Robots_exclusion_standard" class="mw-redirect" title="Robots exclusion standard">The Wikipedia article</a> doesn't mention the word "copyright"--the protocol is not a way to give or withhold permission to republish.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The DMCA is a US law. The .is top-level domain suggests that archive.is may be in <a href="/wiki/Iceland" title="Iceland">Iceland</a>, which is not (yet) part of the United States. The <a href="/wiki/DMCA" class="mw-redirect" title="DMCA">DMCA</a> makes exceptions for libraries and archives, so if archive.is does happen to be under US jurisdiction, it might be able to claim it is an archive, and republish without violating copyright. —<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rybec" title="User talk:Rybec">rybec</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Rybec-2013-09-23T01:15:00.000Z-Hellknowz-2013-09-22T22:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:15, 23 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>It's certainly true that there's a difference between not honoring robot exclusion files and not honoring copyright. In theory, an archive service could try to contact each individual website owner and request permission to re-host their material. Strictly speaking, the copyright laws probably require this... but that would make web archiving almost impossible in practice. So, working in good faith, the responsible archivers (e.g., WayBack, WebCite) honor robot exclusion files. They advertise that if any copyright holder doesn't want their material archived, just place a robot exclusion file in the root directory, and they will respect your copyright and not re-host your material. If you don't, then the archives will take the absence of a robot file for tacit permission to archive your site. This isn't a perfect arrangement, and it's rather heavily biased in favor of the archives, but it's workable.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Now, an archiving service like Archive.is comes along, and says they do not honor robot exclusion files, and they will re-host any material they want to, even if there is a robot file saying the author does not give permission. That's a clear violation of copyright, and moreover, it is clear that Archive.is is not even attempting to honor copyright.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>By the way, the DMCA does NOT allow archives to re-host copyrighted material. (Brick and mortar libraries obviously are allowed to loan out purchased paper copies of copyrighted material, but that is completely different, and even they are under strict prohibition against creating any new copies, beyond the physical copies they purchased.) In fact, the whole purpose of the DMCA take-down agreement is so that large sites can avoid prosecution for copyright violation IF they agree to promptly take down and de-link (and even remove from search results) any site that is re-hosting copyrighted material without permission.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>One more comment - The fact that Archive.is is hosted outside the United States is not particularly relevant, because they are lobbying to be used as citations for Wikipedia articles (for example), and Wikipedia does business in the US, and strives to avoid violating US copyright laws. So the whole ostensible purpose of Archive.is is undermined by its failure (so far) to implement some effective means of honoring copyright law. Until it does so, I don't think it can be adopted by any reputable web site.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weakestletter&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weakestletter (page does not exist)">Weakestletter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Weakestletter" title="User talk:Weakestletter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Weakestletter-2013-09-24T02:32:00.000Z-Rybec-2013-09-23T01:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:32, 24 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I see that the DMCA exemption for libraries and archives (look for section 404 at <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c105:1:./temp/~c105nMmPvh:e96617:">[1]</a>) only allows the copied material to be used on the premises, not over the Internet: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1244412712">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{padding-left:1.6em}}</style><blockquote class="templatequote">any such copy or phonorecord that is reproduced in digital format is not otherwise distributed in that format and is not made available to the public in that format outside the premises of the library or archives.</blockquote> Is there a reliable source that says archive.is is "lobbying to be used as citations for Wikipedia articles"? I took out the sentence about Wikipedia because it seemed to belong on a Wikipedia project page, not in a regular article. —<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rybec" title="User talk:Rybec">rybec</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Rybec-2013-09-24T03:44:00.000Z-Weakestletter-2013-09-24T02:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:44, 24 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>That is it's entire function. See the wikipedia project page, where this is being promoted: <dl><dd><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Using_Archive.is">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Using_Archive.is</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>In particular, note that "Archive.is monitors RecentChanges of many wiki projects (including all national wikipedias) in order to authomaticaly archive new links as soon as possible after the editors added them to the articles." You see? Archive.is is designed specifically to re-host Wikipedia links, for the purpose of having stable references. It's whole reason for existence is to be used to link from Wikipedia articles, rather than linking to the original web sites which, of course, are under the control of those unreliable copyright holders. What the founders of Archive.is seem to have overlooked, is that Wikipedia needs to scrupulously adhere to the copyright laws of the countries where it operates, including the US, and this prohibits them from linking to unauthorized re-hosted copies of copyrighted material.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weakestletter&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weakestletter (page does not exist)">Weakestletter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Weakestletter" title="User talk:Weakestletter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Weakestletter-2013-09-24T14:36:00.000Z-Rybec-2013-09-24T03:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 24 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>You are right, there must be "<a href="/wiki/User:RotlinkBot" title="User:RotlinkBot">User:RotlinkBot</a> monitors ..." not "Archive.is monitors ...". It is known from <a href="/wiki/User:RotlinkBot" title="User:RotlinkBot">User:RotlinkBot</a> comments on Wikipedia talk pages, not from Archive.is FAQ or Twitter. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.15.83.61" title="Special:Contributions/88.15.83.61">88.15.83.61</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:88.15.83.61&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:88.15.83.61 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-88.15.83.61-2013-09-24T16:13:00.000Z-Weakestletter-2013-09-24T14:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 24 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>It is also not clear if <a href="/wiki/User:RotlinkBot" title="User:RotlinkBot">User:RotlinkBot</a> is still doing it after he/she/it was banned on Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.15.83.61" title="Special:Contributions/88.15.83.61">88.15.83.61</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:88.15.83.61&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:88.15.83.61 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-88.15.83.61-2013-09-24T16:31:00.000Z-Weakestletter-2013-09-24T14:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 24 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>at stake (on April 17,2019) archive.is has only <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://archive.is/offset=100/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?*/">2901 URL</a>s belonging to en.wikipedia. It is self-explicative that the overwhelming majority ha sbeen moderated, censored and manually deleted accross the time. — Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.38.235.96" title="Special:Contributions/94.38.235.96">94.38.235.96</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:94.38.235.96&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:94.38.235.96 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-94.38.235.96-2019-04-17T16:28:00.000Z-Weakestletter-2013-09-22T21:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 17 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Nah a whole lot more than 2k.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LinkSearch&limit=500&offset=0&target=http%3A%2F%2Farchive.is">[2]</a> If anyone was doing wholesale deletions we'd know about it. This thread is very old many new development have occurred since 2013. -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2019-04-17T17:51:00.000Z-94.38.235.96-2019-04-17T16:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 17 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(7)"><h2 id="filter_misbehaviour" data-mw-thread-id="h-filter_misbehaviour-2015-07-08T19:50:00.000Z">filter misbehaviour</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: filter misbehaviour" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-129' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-User123o987name-2020-12-13T00:01:00.000Z-188.162.64.30-2015-07-08T19:50:00.000Z">3 years ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-7 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-7"> the filter which prevents adding links to the pages on the archive.is website also prevens adding links to the <a href="/wiki/Archive.is" class="mw-redirect" title="Archive.is">Archive.is</a> article. The links such as [[Archive.is]] — Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:188.162.64.30&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:188.162.64.30 (page does not exist)">188.162.64.30</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:188.162.64.30&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:188.162.64.30 (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/188.162.64.30" title="Special:Contributions/188.162.64.30">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-188.162.64.30-2015-07-08T19:50:00.000Z-filter_misbehaviour" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 8 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Not a concern anymore, for I think Wikipedia stopped blacklisting archive.is links a year or more ago. However, what is a concern is this statement from this article: <dl><dd>"Web pages cannot be duplicated from archive.is to web.archive.org as second-level backup, as archive.is places an exclusion for Wayback Machine[why?][9]"</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Generally, and from my experience, I think this is true. On the contrary, these archive.is links were archived without a problem into web.archive.org: <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20201212233357/http://archive.vn/2020.12.11-010126/https://yqaw.italogiudicianni.it/kernel-panic-not-syncing.html">http://web.archive.org/web/20201212233357/http://archive.vn/2020.12.11-010126/https://yqaw.italogiudicianni.it/kernel-panic-not-syncing.html</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20201212233356/http://archive.vn/2020.12.11-010212/http://saqg.mauriziobastianoni.it/kernel-panic-not-syncing.html">http://web.archive.org/web/20201212233356/http://archive.vn/2020.12.11-010212/http://saqg.mauriziobastianoni.it/kernel-panic-not-syncing.html</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20201212233354/http://archive.vn/2020.12.11-010257/http://dbqi.ancfinomornasco.it/kernel-panic-not-syncing.html">http://web.archive.org/web/20201212233354/http://archive.vn/2020.12.11-010257/http://dbqi.ancfinomornasco.it/kernel-panic-not-syncing.html</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20201212233354/http://archive.vn/2020.12.11-010451/https://vojs.romagnadavivereedintorni.it/kernel-panic-not-syncing.html">http://web.archive.org/web/20201212233354/http://archive.vn/2020.12.11-010451/https://vojs.romagnadavivereedintorni.it/kernel-panic-not-syncing.html</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>It is neat that the Wayback Machine can archive some or all archive.is no-JavaScript/frozen-JavaScript pages. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:User123o987name&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:User123o987name (page does not exist)">User123o987name</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:User123o987name" title="User talk:User123o987name">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-User123o987name-2020-12-13T00:01:00.000Z-188.162.64.30-2015-07-08T19:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 13 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(8)"><h2 id="Country_blocking" data-mw-thread-id="h-Country_blocking">Country blocking</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Country blocking" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-130' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a></div><section class="mf-section-8 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-8"> Information about the country blocking is self-evidently available on the web. You can easily google for currently active proxies in the countries in question and then run something like "Chrome.exe --proxy-server=socks5://37.27.205.217:35101 http://archive.is" </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(9)"><h2 id="Removal_of_archived_content" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removal_of_archived_content-2016-04-16T09:24:00.000Z">Removal of archived content</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Removal of archived content" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-131' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Nothappy21010-2016-11-30T17:06:00.000Z-Nyuszika7H-2016-04-16T09:24:00.000Z">7 years ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-9 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-9"> The article needs to be updated, as there is a "report" button where it's possible to report archived content to be taken down for a wide variety of reasons. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nyuszika7H&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nyuszika7H (page does not exist)">nyuszika7h</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nyuszika7H" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Nyuszika7H">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Nyuszika7H-2016-04-16T09:24:00.000Z-Removal_of_archived_content" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:24, 16 April 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>The person/s running archive.is don't necessary remove archived content none of my content has even been removed despite asking them to. — Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nothappy21010&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nothappy21010 (page does not exist)">Nothappy21010</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nothappy21010&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Nothappy21010 (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nothappy21010" title="Special:Contributions/Nothappy21010">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Nothappy21010-2016-11-30T17:06:00.000Z-Nyuszika7H-2016-04-16T09:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 30 November 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>Agree. My personal non-commercial site has been repeatedly copied, in part, over several years. Repeated direct complaint (by email or by the "Report" button) elicits no reply nor action.</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(10)"><h2 id="Hatnote" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hatnote-2016-05-11T10:02:00.000Z">Hatnote</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Hatnote" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-132' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-McGeddon-2016-05-14T18:06:00.000Z-Hatnote">8 years ago</a>4 comments3 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-10 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-10"> What's better here - "Not to be confused with Internet Archive." or some variant of "For the San Francisco-based nonprofit website at archive.org, see Internet Archive."? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:94.230.146.228&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:94.230.146.228 (page does not exist)">User:94.230.146.228</a> is concerned that by being specific we're implying that the two websites are connected, but I think it's more misleading to say "not to be confused with Internet Archive" because that can be easily read as "not to be confused with archiving on the internet in general" - a reader actually looking for archive.org (without knowing its URL) might not think to click that and assume that they're already at the right article. --<a href="/wiki/User:McGeddon" class="mw-redirect" title="User:McGeddon">McGeddon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:McGeddon" title="User talk:McGeddon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-McGeddon-2016-05-11T10:02:00.000Z-Hatnote" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:02, 11 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-27" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Perhaps link to Archive.org in the hatnote, which is a redirect to Internet Archive? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nyuszika7H&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nyuszika7H (page does not exist)">nyuszika7h</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nyuszika7H" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Nyuszika7H">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Nyuszika7H-2016-05-11T20:18:00.000Z-McGeddon-2016-05-11T10:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 11 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>Saying "For the San Francisco-based nonprofit website at archive.org, see Internet Archive." has a false connotation of "archive.is is sort of archive.org but for-profit" or even "there is a single company with non-profit and for-profit products; the former is archive.org and the latter is archive.is"; Anyway "...for non-profit see ..." implies that the following text is about something which is not non-profit albeit archive.is is non-profit as well <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.230.146.228" title="Special:Contributions/94.230.146.228">94.230.146.228</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:94.230.146.228" title="User talk:94.230.146.228">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-94.230.146.228-2016-05-12T16:37:00.000Z-McGeddon-2016-05-11T10:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 12 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> "Not to be confused with archive.org." sounds good. Any objections? --<a href="/wiki/User:McGeddon" class="mw-redirect" title="User:McGeddon">McGeddon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:McGeddon" title="User talk:McGeddon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-McGeddon-2016-05-14T18:06:00.000Z-Hatnote" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 14 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-30" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(11)"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Archive.is_RFC_4" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Archive.is_RFC_4-2016-05-23T06:20:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.is_RFC_4" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Archive.is RFC 4">Wikipedia:Archive.is RFC 4</a></h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Archive.is RFC 4" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-133' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Cunard-2016-05-23T06:20:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Archive.is_RFC_4">8 years ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-11 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-11"> There is an RfC at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.is_RFC_4" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Archive.is RFC 4">Wikipedia:Archive.is RFC 4</a> with the proposal "Remove archive.is from the Spam blacklist and permit adding new links (Oppose/Support)". <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Cunard&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Cunard (page does not exist)">Cunard</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cunard" title="User talk:Cunard">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Cunard-2016-05-23T06:20:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Archive.is_RFC_4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:20, 23 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-31" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(12)"><h2 id="'Worldwide_availability'_section" data-mw-thread-id="h-'Worldwide_availability'_section-2016-05-28T03:40:00.000Z">'Worldwide availability' section</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: 'Worldwide availability' section" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-134' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Finnusertop-2016-06-08T14:05:00.000Z-59.11.121.66-2016-05-28T03:40:00.000Z">8 years ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-12 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-12"> Does the section contain valuable information? Virtually every website is geo-banned somewhere. <a href="/wiki/JustPaste.it" title="JustPaste.it">JustPaste.it</a> blocked in almost the same <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://twitter.com/justpasteit/status/702490601728638976">set of countries</a>, Facebook is banned in China, etc. In case if this information is valuable, I would suggest creation of a table or <a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_geo-blocked_websites&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="List of geo-blocked websites (page does not exist)">List of geo-blocked websites</a>. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/59.11.121.66" title="Special:Contributions/59.11.121.66">59.11.121.66</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:59.11.121.66&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:59.11.121.66 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-59.11.121.66-2016-05-28T03:40:00.000Z-'Worldwide_availability'_section" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:40, 28 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-32" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>I think it's encyclopedic information, notably because the host of the website has blocked connections from certain countries and given reasons for that. A comprehensive table is not needed, but blocks that have been covered by the media should be recounted here. – <a href="/wiki/User:Finnusertop" title="User:Finnusertop">Finnusertop</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Finnusertop" title="User talk:Finnusertop">talk</a> ⋅ <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Finnusertop" title="Special:Contributions/Finnusertop">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Finnusertop-2016-06-08T14:05:00.000Z-59.11.121.66-2016-05-28T03:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:05, 8 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-33" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(13)"><h2 id="Use_cases" data-mw-thread-id="h-Use_cases-2016-06-22T11:35:00.000Z">Use cases</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Use cases" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-135' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Nyuszika7H-2016-06-22T11:35:00.000Z-Use_cases">8 years ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-13 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-13"> I agree with <a href="/wiki/User:PeterTheFourth" title="User:PeterTheFourth">PeterTheFourth</a> actually, I was going to bring that up. It makes archive.is sound like some service which is only used by "authors and hacktivists", when it can be used by anyone, really. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nyuszika7H&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nyuszika7H (page does not exist)">nyuszika7h</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nyuszika7H" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Nyuszika7H">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Nyuszika7H-2016-06-22T11:35:00.000Z-Use_cases" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:35, 22 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-34" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" 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data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Green_Cardamom-2016-07-05T23:17:00.000Z-RfC:_long_or_short_URL">8 years ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-14 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-14"> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Using_archive.is#RfC:_Should_we_use_short_or_long_format_URLs.3F" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Using archive.is">RfC open</a> if we should use long or short URLs when linking to archive.is -- <a href="/wiki/User:Green_Cardamom" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Green Cardamom">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Green_Cardamom" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Green Cardamom">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Green_Cardamom-2016-07-05T23:17:00.000Z-RfC:_long_or_short_URL" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 5 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-35" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> → </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(15)"><h2 id="In_hindsight" data-mw-thread-id="h-In_hindsight-2016-08-02T16:19:00.000Z">In hindsight</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: In hindsight" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-137' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Poeticbent-2016-08-02T16:19:00.000Z-In_hindsight">8 years ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-15 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-15"> Given hindsight, blacklisting <a href="/wiki/Archive.is" class="mw-redirect" title="Archive.is">Archive.is</a> and bot-spamming all Wikipedia articles that used to use it did a lot of damage to our portal that cannot be reversed easily. Here's just one of the countless examples of Wikipedia articles referenced to no longer active websites, which were archived by Archive.is and never archived by the <a href="/wiki/Wayback_Machine" title="Wayback Machine">Wayback Machine</a>: en.wikipedia.org » <a href="/wiki/DRB_Class_52" title="DRB Class 52">DRB Class 52</a>, <a href="/wiki/General_Government" title="General Government">General Government</a>, <a href="/wiki/Kriegslokomotive" title="Kriegslokomotive">Kriegslokomotive</a> » snapshots from host old.pkp.pl including » <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://archive.is/bWNJt">http://archive.is/bWNJt</a> → Please take a look at my attempts at trying to reverse the damage in just one Wikipedia article: the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Holocaust_train&curid=10408811&diff=732684600&oldid=727905437">Holocaust train.</a> Would be nice to see another bot designed specifically to undo the deletions prompted by the original bot. <a href="/wiki/User:Poeticbent" title="User:Poeticbent">Poeticbent</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Poeticbent" title="User talk:Poeticbent">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Poeticbent-2016-08-02T16:19:00.000Z-In_hindsight" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-36" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(16)"><h2 id="archive.fo" data-mw-thread-id="h-archive.fo-2016-08-30T23:31:00.000Z"><code>archive.fo</code></h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: archive.fo" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-138' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-80.221.159.67-2016-08-30T23:31:00.000Z-archive.fo">8 years ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-16 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-16"> <code>archive.fo</code> seems to be one of its domains, and sometimes <code>archive.is</code> redirects there. This is my original research of course, but food for references. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.221.159.67" title="Special:Contributions/80.221.159.67">80.221.159.67</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:80.221.159.67" title="User talk:80.221.159.67">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-80.221.159.67-2016-08-30T23:31:00.000Z-archive.fo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 30 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-37" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(17)"><h2 id="How_to_I_meet_verifiability_to_say_the_site_is_hosted_at_Hostkey_(_hostkey.nl_/_hostkey.ru_)_?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_to_I_meet_verifiability_to_say_the_site_is_hosted_at_Hostkey_(_hostkey.nl_/-2016-11-08T05:29:00.000Z">How to I meet verifiability to say the site is hosted at Hostkey ( hostkey.nl / hostkey.ru ) ?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: How to I meet verifiability to say the site is hosted at Hostkey ( hostkey.nl / hostkey.ru ) ?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-139' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Jnavas2-2016-12-03T20:06:00.000Z-Plimitarmed-2016-11-08T05:29:00.000Z">7 years ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-17 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-17"> Cloudflare told me it is hosted there after a year of complaining about this malicious scraper botnet site. <a href="/wiki/User:Plimitarmed" title="User:Plimitarmed">Plimitarmed</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plimitarmed" title="User talk:Plimitarmed">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Plimitarmed-2016-11-08T05:29:00.000Z-How_to_I_meet_verifiability_to_say_the_site_is_hosted_at_Hostkey_(_hostkey.nl_/" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 8 November 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-38" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Plimitarmed" title="User:Plimitarmed">Plimitarmed</a>: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Hostkey&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Hostkey (page does not exist)">Hostkey</a> is the primary host (servers in Amsterdam and Moscow), distributed by <a href="/wiki/Cloudflare" title="Cloudflare">Cloudflare</a>.<a href="#cite_note-1">[1]</a><a href="#cite_note-2">[2]</a> [see references] --<a href="/wiki/User:Jnavas2" title="User:Jnavas2">John Navas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jnavas2" title="User talk:Jnavas2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Jnavas2-2016-12-03T20:06:00.000Z-Plimitarmed-2016-11-08T05:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-39" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" 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.cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite class="citation web cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://searchdns.netcraft.com/?host=archive.is&x=0&y=0">"Netcraft - Search Web by Domain"</a>. Netcraft Services. Netcraft Ltd. Retrieved 3 December 2016.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=Netcraft+Services&rft.atitle=Netcraft+-+Search+Web+by+Domain&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fsearchdns.netcraft.com%2F%3Fhost%3Darchive.is%26x%3D0%26y%3D0&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AArchive.today" class="Z3988"> </li> <li id="cite_note-2"><a href="#cite_ref-2">^</a> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite class="citation web cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.hostkey.com/about/about">"About HOSTKEY"</a>. HOSTKEY. HOSTKEY. Retrieved 3 December 2016.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=HOSTKEY&rft.atitle=About+HOSTKEY&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hostkey.com%2Fabout%2Fabout&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AArchive.today" class="Z3988"> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(18)"><h2 id="Some_links_I_found_citing_it's_now_at_Hostkey.ru_/_Hostkey.nl" data-mw-thread-id="h-Some_links_I_found_citing_it's_now_at_Hostkey.ru_/_Hostkey.nl-2016-11-08T07:53:00.000Z">Some links I found citing it's now at Hostkey.ru / Hostkey.nl</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Some links I found citing it's now at Hostkey.ru / Hostkey.nl" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-140' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Saturnalia0-2017-01-24T01:12:00.000Z-Some_links_I_found_citing_it's_now_at_Hostkey.ru_/_Hostkey.nl">7 years ago</a>3 comments3 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-18 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-18"> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://myip.ms/browse/sites_history/1/siteID/415548">https://myip.ms/browse/sites_history/1/siteID/415548</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://server.easycounter.com/archive.is">http://server.easycounter.com/archive.is</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.websitelibrary.com/archive.is">http://www.websitelibrary.com/archive.is</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.checkmysitevalue.com/archive.is">http://www.checkmysitevalue.com/archive.is</a></li></ul> Most of these links say Hostkey then Cloudflare, however Cloudflare also told me it's hosted there so I can be sure it's not moved from Hostkey. <a href="/wiki/User:Plimitarmed" title="User:Plimitarmed">Plimitarmed</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plimitarmed" title="User talk:Plimitarmed">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Plimitarmed-2016-11-08T07:53:00.000Z-Some_links_I_found_citing_it's_now_at_Hostkey.ru_/_Hostkey.nl" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:53, 8 November 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-40" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Plimitarmed" title="User:Plimitarmed">Plimitarmed</a>: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Hostkey&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Hostkey (page does not exist)">Hostkey</a> is the primary host (servers in Amsterdam and Moscow), distributed by <a href="/wiki/Cloudflare" title="Cloudflare">Cloudflare</a>.<a href="#cite_note-3">[1]</a><a href="#cite_note-4">[2]</a> [see references] --<a href="/wiki/User:Jnavas2" title="User:Jnavas2">John Navas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jnavas2" title="User talk:Jnavas2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Jnavas2-2016-12-03T20:05:00.000Z-Plimitarmed-2016-11-08T07:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-41" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1232521257"><div class="reflist-talk"> References <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239543626"><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-3"><a href="#cite_ref-3">^</a> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite class="citation web cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://searchdns.netcraft.com/?host=archive.is&x=0&y=0">"Netcraft - Search Web by Domain"</a>. Netcraft Services. Netcraft Ltd. Retrieved 3 December 2016.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=Netcraft+Services&rft.atitle=Netcraft+-+Search+Web+by+Domain&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fsearchdns.netcraft.com%2F%3Fhost%3Darchive.is%26x%3D0%26y%3D0&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AArchive.today" class="Z3988"> </li> <li id="cite_note-4"><a href="#cite_ref-4">^</a> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite class="citation web cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.hostkey.com/about/about">"About HOSTKEY"</a>. HOSTKEY. HOSTKEY. Retrieved 3 December 2016.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=HOSTKEY&rft.atitle=About+HOSTKEY&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hostkey.com%2Fabout%2Fabout&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AArchive.today" class="Z3988"> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Since the current references mentioned by Jnavas2 only mention either Cloudflare or the servers locations (but not that Hostkey is the provider for archive.is), I added one of the links suggested by Plimitarmed. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Saturnalia0&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Saturnalia0 (page does not exist)">Saturnalia0</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Saturnalia0&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Saturnalia0 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Saturnalia0-2017-01-24T01:12:00.000Z-Some_links_I_found_citing_it's_now_at_Hostkey.ru_/_Hostkey.nl" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:12, 24 January 2017 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-42" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(19)"><h2 id="Data_centers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Data_centers-2016-11-11T19:50:00.000Z">Data centers</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Data centers" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-141' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-188.162.64.96-2021-01-06T03:32:00.000Z-Dandv-2021-01-03T08:02:00.000Z">3 years ago</a>5 comments5 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-19 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-19"> It would be interesting if something like this <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Data_Centers">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Data_Centers</a> could be written about how the site runs. <a href="/wiki/User:Plimitarmed" title="User:Plimitarmed">Plimitarmed</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plimitarmed" title="User talk:Plimitarmed">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Plimitarmed-2016-11-11T19:50:00.000Z-Data_centers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 11 November 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-43" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Plimitarmed" title="User:Plimitarmed">Plimitarmed</a>: Distribution is handled by <a href="/wiki/Cloudflare" title="Cloudflare">Cloudflare</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jnavas2" title="User:Jnavas2">John Navas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jnavas2" title="User talk:Jnavas2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Jnavas2-2016-12-03T20:03:00.000Z-Plimitarmed-2016-11-11T19:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-44" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> Indeed. Who owns it? Who runs it? And who owns them? Millions of people use their service without even asking who and what they are. This article doesn't even begin to be Wikipedian. — Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:86.239.242.222&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:86.239.242.222 (page does not exist)">86.239.242.222</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:86.239.242.222#top" title="User talk:86.239.242.222">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.239.242.222" title="Special:Contributions/86.239.242.222">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-86.239.242.222-2018-06-05T15:44:00.000Z-Data_centers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 5 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-45" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Exactly. Who are these people? Incidentally I corresponded with the maintainer way back in the day (not sure I should disclose who he is), but as it says a few sections above, I'm not a RS. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Dandv" title="User:Dandv">Dandv</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Dandv-2021-01-03T08:02:00.000Z-86.239.242.222-2018-06-05T15:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:02, 3 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-46" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dandv" title="User:Dandv">Dandv</a>:, The people with such questions mostly work for reputation agencies and are paid for purging articles on the Internet. Being rejected at the archives, they try to find their connections to bother them. You have just subscribed to a stream of removal requests <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/188.162.64.96" title="Special:Contributions/188.162.64.96">188.162.64.96</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:188.162.64.96" title="User talk:188.162.64.96">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-188.162.64.96-2021-01-06T03:32:00.000Z-Dandv-2021-01-03T08:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:32, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-47" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(20)"><h2 id="Reliability" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reliability-2016-12-03T20:02:00.000Z">Reliability</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Reliability" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-142' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Gabefair-2021-09-08T07:21:00.000Z-Reliability">3 years ago</a>11 comments6 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-20 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-20"> @<a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites">Rhododendrites</a>: I maintain that reliability is a serious issue for archive sites, and added relevant information to the Article. <a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites">Rhododendrites</a> disagrees. Let's discuss. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jnavas2" title="User:Jnavas2">John Navas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jnavas2" title="User talk:Jnavas2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Jnavas2-2016-12-03T20:02:00.000Z-Reliability" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 3 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-48" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Jnavas2" title="User:Jnavas2">Jnavas2</a> - Well, let's start with the first rather obvious problem. Sourcing. You've provided no source alongisde your claim. <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">On 2 December 2016 the site became unavailable with browsers displaying Loading spinners indefinitely. It resumed normal operation late in the day.</q> For all I know, this could be localized to you and your internet connection specifically. But, let's assume for a moment that you've included a source with the claim and look at it from an encyclopaedic perspective. Wikipedia isn't a collection of all knowledge. Site crashes are generally discussed in some greater context. For example, many sites - including Wikipedia - went on <a href="/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA" title="Protests against SOPA and PIPA">blackout</a> in response to SOPA and PIPA. Another example would be major DDOS attacks like October's <a href="/wiki/2016_Dyn_cyberattack" class="mw-redirect" title="2016 Dyn cyberattack">Dyn cyberattack</a>. So, what is the greater context here? again, for all I know this could be a localized effect, or, server maintenance. It's of no encyclopaedic value in either of these cases. Has it been attacked or is there something interesting about this event that would make it notable in some way? can you also provide a source to back the addition of this content? Note, a source on this won't necessarily guarantee it's encyclopaedic value, but, at least I'll have something to work off of. <a href="/wiki/User:Mr_rnddude" title="User:Mr rnddude">Mr rnddude</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr_rnddude" title="User talk:Mr rnddude">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Mr_rnddude-2016-12-03T22:21:00.000Z-Jnavas2-2016-12-03T20:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 3 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-49" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr_rnddude" title="User:Mr rnddude">Mr rnddude</a>: Why wasn't the issue handled this way to begin with?</dd></dl> <ul><li>Detail: Assuming you're not questioning my basic competence, I'd be happy to provide more detail. I ran tests with multiple browsers and diagnostic utilities on multiple devices over different Internet connections, including VPN connections to different countries, cross-checked with colleagues. I just kept the content brief so as to avoid excessive detail. How much is enough or too much? Would a long footnote be more appropriate?</li> <li>Context: It seems self-evident to me that reliability is a significant issue for archive sites that profess to create "permanent" records, particularly with distribution by <a href="/wiki/Cloudflare" title="Cloudflare">Cloudflare</a>, and I was trying to avoid extraneous detail. Would you like more explanation of the issue? Perhaps by footnote?</li> <li>Sourcing: My material was the result of my own work. I didn't learn it from some other source. Would you really want the detailed output of the utilities I used? Or must I find some 3rd party to vouch for my results? And how would the reliability of the 3rd party be judged?</li></ul> <dl><dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Jnavas2" title="User:Jnavas2">John Navas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jnavas2" title="User talk:Jnavas2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Jnavas2-2016-12-03T23:01:00.000Z-Mr_rnddude-2016-12-03T22:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 3 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-50" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>John, your own observations fall under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Original_research" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Original research">WP:Original research</a>. This is not allowed on Wikipedia. If the outage of Archive.is on 2 December was not important enough to be noticed by any <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_source" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Reliable source">WP:Reliable source</a> that we can cite, then it doesn't belong in our article. <a href="/wiki/User:EdJohnston" title="User:EdJohnston">EdJohnston</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EdJohnston" title="User talk:EdJohnston">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-EdJohnston-2016-12-03T23:34:00.000Z-Jnavas2-2016-12-03T23:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:34, 3 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-51" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>"If the outage of Archive.is on 2 December was not important enough to be noticed by any <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_source" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Reliable source">WP:Reliable source</a> that we can cite, then it doesn't belong in our article." - That's such a narrow perspective. What WP:RS of any caliber cares enough to notice a brief outage of archive.is? This is very niche knowledge, that you'll never find on CNN. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Dandv" title="User:Dandv">Dandv</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Dandv-2021-01-03T08:06:00.000Z-EdJohnston-2016-12-03T23:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-52" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>(<a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" title="Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a>)Thanks for the response. In terms of this being your work and the work of your colleagues, Wikipedia doesn't accept <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">original research</a>. The reason for this is that if it did, anybody could put anything into any article. It would be a true free for all with information and misinformation. It'd be impossible to distinguish between legitimate additions and bogus additions. To your point about sourcing; this brings up the question of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RELIABLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RELIABLE">reliable sources</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EVENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EVENT">event notability</a> simultaneously. Reliable sources are those that are published by respected book publishers, news organizations, journals and other academic sources. In this case, I'd assume that news organizations might mention this information if it's significant enough. Event is generally for stand-alone articles, but, you can vet basic additions using the same principle. Is the event widely covered in the news or is it a passing mention - a footnote in history if you will. I had a quick skim of the internet for "archive.is down" and what I did find was that the only detected <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://currentlydown.com/archive.org#2016-11-17">down time</a> was on November 17, 2016 for a period of around 35 minutes. I also wouldn't hold the source to any particular measure of reliability. Other than that, I haven't found anything about it. As somebody who edits and develops history article's on Wikipedia I am well aware of the pains that WP:OR brings up and also the annoyance that not being allowed to draw your own conclusions - no matter how obvious or trivial - is. The simplest detail has to be drawn from another published source. If you can get your hands on a reliable third-party source, then I'd be able to vet it myself and assess its notability, if not, it falls under the purview of original research. <a href="/wiki/User:Mr_rnddude" title="User:Mr rnddude">Mr rnddude</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr_rnddude" title="User talk:Mr rnddude">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Mr_rnddude-2016-12-03T23:39:00.000Z-Jnavas2-2016-12-03T23:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 3 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-53" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr_rnddude" title="User:Mr rnddude">Mr rnddude</a>: I suspect that would be a <a href="/wiki/Snipe_hunt" title="Snipe hunt">fool's errand</a> and thus not a good use of my time, so I will simply pass. <a href="/wiki/Sic_transit_gloria_mundi" title="Sic transit gloria mundi">Sic transit gloria mundi</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Jnavas2" title="User:Jnavas2">John Navas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jnavas2" title="User talk:Jnavas2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Jnavas2-2016-12-03T23:48:00.000Z-Mr_rnddude-2016-12-03T23:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 3 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-54" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>As are many things. The balance, it's never quite right. If you have too many sources then little disagreements between them become a battleground between editors, if there are too few then it's borderline impossible to write anything informative about the topic and it will invariably end up at AfD. <a href="/wiki/User:Mr_rnddude" title="User:Mr rnddude">Mr rnddude</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr_rnddude" title="User talk:Mr rnddude">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Mr_rnddude-2016-12-03T23:52:00.000Z-Jnavas2-2016-12-03T23:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-55" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr_rnddude" title="User:Mr rnddude">Mr rnddude</a>: Sourcing is an illusion of reliability because the Internet is so full of unreliable sources and bad information. It can have merit where data can be authenticated, but even there it's open to distortion, as in the case of climate change denial. Plus it's simply not possible to source everything in an article. So it ultimately becomes a subjective values proposition, with insiders defending their values against outsiders. As I said, a <a href="/wiki/Snipe_hunt" title="Snipe hunt">fool's errand</a>, so I will simply pass. Too much pain for too little gain. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jnavas2" title="User:Jnavas2">John Navas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jnavas2" title="User talk:Jnavas2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Jnavas2-2016-12-04T00:10:00.000Z-Mr_rnddude-2016-12-03T23:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:10, 4 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-56" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jnavas2" title="User:Jnavas2">Jnavas2</a>: There is also the issue of reliability for the service, there are quite a few organizations trying to shut them down or block them. I've tried to visit their site several times over the past few weeks with none of the popular domains working anymore. I'm not sure if Archive.is has shut down or is being censored by someone. <a href="/wiki/User:Lassitergregg" title="User:Lassitergregg">Lassitergregg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lassitergregg" title="User talk:Lassitergregg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Lassitergregg-2018-06-03T03:38:00.000Z-Jnavas2-2016-12-03T20:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:38, 3 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-57" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lassitergregg" title="User:Lassitergregg">Lassitergregg</a>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/archive.is">https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/archive.is</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> Starting on Sept 6th 2021, a multi-day outage occurred. As of 07:20am UTC, archive.today is still down. <a href="/wiki/User:Gabefair" title="User:Gabefair">Gabefair</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gabefair" title="User talk:Gabefair">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Gabefair-2021-09-08T07:21:00.000Z-Reliability" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:21, 8 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-58" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(21)"><h2 id="How_many_pages?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_many_pages?-2018-11-14T01:27:00.000Z">How many pages?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: How many pages?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-143' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-84.147.46.123-2018-11-14T01:27:00.000Z-How_many_pages?">6 years ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-21 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-21"> Each of their shortened URLs have 5 characters (A-Z a-z 0-9) (4 characters until 2012) 62 possibilities per character. <ul><li>4 characters = 14.776.336 possibilities.</li> <li>5 characters = 916.132.832 possibilities, more than Archive.org has saved pages.</li></ul> How many pages has Archive.is saved so far? Already beyond 14776336? --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/84.147.46.123" title="Special:Contributions/84.147.46.123">84.147.46.123</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:84.147.46.123&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:84.147.46.123 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-84.147.46.123-2018-11-14T01:27:00.000Z-How_many_pages?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:27, 14 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-59" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(22)"><h2 id="Contents_are_regurarly_deleted_or_filtered" data-mw-thread-id="h-Contents_are_regurarly_deleted_or_filtered-2018-12-15T19:12:00.000Z">Contents are regurarly deleted or filtered</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Contents are regurarly deleted or filtered" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-144' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-84.223.69.200-2018-12-15T19:12:00.000Z-Contents_are_regurarly_deleted_or_filtered">5 years ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-22 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-22"> The article needs more informations, unless those seem to be very difficult to be found, e.g. about who is the owner of the website, and who manages it. Search results are sponsored by Google or yandex.ru, like is done by any indipendent and non commercial company in thr web. An address space formed by only 5 alphanumeric characters is enough for all the internet requests simply because many of the saved results are deleted, censored and made unavailable to the public. Some of them are "embededded" into one result wich is shown by the search box, and continues to link the other saved pages. — Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/84.223.69.200" title="Special:Contributions/84.223.69.200">84.223.69.200</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:84.223.69.200&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:84.223.69.200 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-84.223.69.200-2018-12-15T19:12:00.000Z-Contents_are_regurarly_deleted_or_filtered" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 15 December 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-60" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(23)"><h2 id="Who_owns/runs_this_site?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Who_owns/runs_this_site?-2018-12-26T18:14:00.000Z">Who owns/runs this site?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Who owns/runs this site?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-145' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Dandv-2021-01-03T08:08:00.000Z-Equinox-2018-12-26T18:14:00.000Z">3 years ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-23 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-23"> A strange omission from the article! I note somebody above in this talk page names a "Denis Petrov". <a href="/wiki/User:Equinox" title="User:Equinox">Equinox</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Equinox" title="User talk:Equinox">◑</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Equinox-2018-12-26T18:14:00.000Z-Who_owns/runs_this_site?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 26 December 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-61" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>That sounds about right. I corresponded with the maintainer of the site many years ago. But I'm not a WP:RS, so what do I know. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Dandv" title="User:Dandv">Dandv</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Dandv-2021-01-03T08:08:00.000Z-Equinox-2018-12-26T18:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:08, 3 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-62" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(24)"><h2 id="https_not_working?" data-mw-thread-id="h-https_not_working?-2019-02-03T15:41:00.000Z">https not working?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: https not working?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-146' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-GreenC-2019-02-04T15:43:00.000Z-GreenC-2019-02-04T15:41:00.000Z">5 years ago</a>7 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-24 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-24"> Looks like https doesn't work at the moment. Site is still available on http though. Don't know whether this is a permanent change? <a href="/wiki/User:Evert" title="User:Evert">Evert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evert" title="User talk:Evert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Evert-2019-02-03T15:41:00.000Z-https_not_working?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 3 February 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-63" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Working ok for me. -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2019-02-03T15:49:00.000Z-Evert-2019-02-03T15:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 3 February 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-64" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=archive.today">https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=archive.today</a> Something not quite right there... <a href="/wiki/User:Evert" title="User:Evert">Evert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evert" title="User talk:Evert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Evert-2019-02-03T16:07:00.000Z-https_not_working?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 3 February 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-65" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Hmm.. do you know if this is a new condition, or just now noticed? -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2019-02-03T17:59:00.000Z-Evert-2019-02-03T16:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 3 February 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-66" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> Looks like the certificates for this site/these sites have been fixed, so I guess all is ok now <a href="/wiki/User:Evert" title="User:Evert">Evert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evert" title="User talk:Evert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Evert-2019-02-04T07:07:00.000Z-https_not_working?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:07, 4 February 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-67" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Evert" title="User:Evert">Evert</a>, I'm getting "Assessment failed: Unable to connect to the server". Perhaps it has been blocked. "it usually happens due to firewall restrictions". -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2019-02-04T15:41:00.000Z-Evert-2019-02-04T07:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 4 February 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-68" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>I used a different checker and reports SSL is working. -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2019-02-04T15:43:00.000Z-GreenC-2019-02-04T15:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 4 February 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-69" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(25)"><h2 id="Blocked_in_New_Zealand?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Blocked_in_New_Zealand?-2019-03-17T15:49:00.000Z">Blocked in New Zealand?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Blocked in New Zealand?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-147' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Muzilon-2019-03-17T16:05:00.000Z-GreenC-2019-03-17T15:56:00.000Z">5 years ago</a>3 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-25 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-25"> Can anyone confirm Archive.today has been <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213293">blocked</a> in New Zealand following the <a href="/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings" title="Christchurch mosque shootings">Christchurch mosque shootings</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Muzilon" title="User:Muzilon">Muzilon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Muzilon" title="User talk:Muzilon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Muzilon-2019-03-17T15:49:00.000Z-Blocked_in_New_Zealand?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 17 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-70" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>It is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://perfops.net/ping-from-new-zealand">pingable</a> from a server in New Zealand, but there might still be blocks at the protocol or ISP level. -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2019-03-17T15:56:00.000Z-Muzilon-2019-03-17T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 17 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-71" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I suspect the latter. A bit excessive because it's not really a video-hosting site (which is what the New Zealand ISP's are trying to target in this case). <a href="/wiki/User:Muzilon" title="User:Muzilon">Muzilon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Muzilon" title="User talk:Muzilon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Muzilon-2019-03-17T16:05:00.000Z-GreenC-2019-03-17T15:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 17 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-72" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(26)"><h2 id="Digital_preservation_open_archives_are_unavoidable_for_a_long-term_content_provider_based_on_external_primary_sources_likeWikipedia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Digital_preservation_open_archives_are_unavoidable_for_a_long-term_content_provi-2019-06-22T13:19:00.000Z">Digital preservation open archives are unavoidable for a long-term content provider based on external primary sources likeWikipedia</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Digital preservation open archives are unavoidable for a long-term content provider based on external primary sources likeWikipedia" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-148' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Dandv-2021-01-03T08:13:00.000Z-GreenC-2019-06-22T13:19:00.000Z">3 years ago</a>4 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-26 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-26"> A total ban of archive.is from Wikipedia would be simply foolish and a suicide for the Encyclopedia. Wikipedia aims to long-term <a href="/wiki/Digital_preservation" title="Digital preservation">digital preservation</a> of ist contents, but Wikipedia doesn't claim itself as a primary source of informations, even if the honesty of its contributors, the quality of its policies, the number of reviewers for each page and any single edit, make it much more affordable and objective than many other renokwn and blasonate encyclopedias. But the points are that: <ul><li>Wikipedia is based uniquely upon externals sources</li> <li>the middle life of a linked <a href="/wiki/Web_page" title="Web page">Web page</a> is on the order of weeks or some months. So you will have continously to adjust broken links or elsewhere-migrated ones.</li></ul> Such a type of content provider strongly needs one (or more) permanent archive(s). For example, the French Wikipedia uses a private archive (http://archive.wikiwix.<a href="/wiki/Com" class="mw-disambig" title="Com">com</a> like in the <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Mitterrand#Notes_et_r%C3%A9f%C3%A9rences" class="extiw" title="fr:François Mitterrand">w:fr:François Mitterrand#Notes et références</a>): not alle references are archived and not all archived contents are publicly readable by anyone, e.g. for legal reasons. I think that this choice was adopted in order to avoid copyright infringements and have a private and independent external certification that a determinate source did exist and was linked to a Wikipedia oldid in the past. But any administrator can decide: <ul><li>what has to be archived in the long term;</li> <li>what is archived but non readable (like a private archive);</li> <li>waht sources can't be ignored, exckuded and not preserved.</li></ul> Such a system would be completely inappropriate for an <a href="/w/index.php?title=Open_Project&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Open Project (page does not exist)">Open Project</a>, whose sources must be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiable</a> for anyone. Due to copyright reasons, <a href="/wiki/Internet_Archive" title="Internet Archive">Internet Archive</a> also has made many saved entries yet unavailable so that the copy is lost or can't be used as the archive-url parameter into the Wikipedia citation templates. In the Web we have the Internet Archive or Archive.is, basically, given that <a href="/wiki/WebCite" title="WebCite">WebCite</a> is only for particular kind of selected materials. So Archive.is has become an unavoidable choice. — Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:94.38.234.134&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:94.38.234.134 (page does not exist)">‎94.38.234.134</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:94.38.234.134&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:94.38.234.134 (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.38.234.134" title="Special:Contributions/94.38.234.134">contribs</a>) <dl><dd>I'm not aware of anyone suggesting we block or ban archive.today .. are they somewhere? -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2019-06-22T13:19:00.000Z-Digital_preservation_open_archives_are_unavoidable_for_a_long-term_content_provi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 22 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-73" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Using_archive.today#Consensus">It was banned in 2016</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Dandv" title="User:Dandv">Dandv</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Dandv-2021-01-03T08:13:00.000Z-GreenC-2019-06-22T13:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 3 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-74" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>Today, archive.is has introced a Google reCAPTCHA verification for any single link that users try to save. So, the web service has been strongly limited, if not totally shut down. <dl><dd>Use archive.org for volume saves it is unlimited. -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2019-11-08T03:13:00.000Z-GreenC-2019-06-22T13:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:13, 8 November 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-75" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>Or create your own WARC files, host them anywhere files can be hosted, and replay them using embedded archive software ("client-side replay technology"). In effect you are the archive provider. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://blog.dshr.org/2019/10/guest-post-ilya-kreymers-client-side.html">[3]</a> -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2019-11-08T03:17:00.000Z-GreenC-2019-11-08T03:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:17, 8 November 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-76" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>So there are no reasons to ban archive.is from wikipedia, since it has strongly limited by itself the opportunities of copyright infringements. Said on brackets, anyone who publishes a web page on Internet must accept the risk it is permanently archived locally on some PCs or elsewhere in the Web.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(27)"><h2 id="Supported_browsers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Supported_browsers-2020-02-22T21:09:00.000Z">Supported browsers</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Supported browsers" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-149' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-2001:16B8:2C0F:2600:D91C:72F:4C3C:2D39-2020-07-29T13:02:00.000Z-78.14.139.65-2020-02-22T21:09:00.000Z">4 years ago</a>10 comments6 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-27 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-27"> Following the introduction of a Google reCAPTCHA some months ago, since February 2020 archive.is has ended to support browsers like <a href="/wiki/Waterfox" title="Waterfox">Waterfox</a> which don't share users'data with the partners of Google. Indeed, archive.is may be accessed uniquely through Opera, Chrome, Internet Explorer or Mozilla Firefox. Maybe, this scenario will change in the upcoming weeks. — Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.14.139.65" title="Special:Contributions/78.14.139.65">78.14.139.65</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:78.14.139.65&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:78.14.139.65 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-78.14.139.65-2020-02-22T21:09:00.000Z-Supported_browsers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 22 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-77" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>I get a malware warning when I try to access archive.is pages in Firefox. Something seems to be going on. <a href="/wiki/User:Miniapolis" title="User:Miniapolis">Mini</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Miniapolis" title="User talk:Miniapolis">apolis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Miniapolis-2020-04-09T23:00:00.000Z-78.14.139.65-2020-02-22T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 9 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-78" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>For every archive? Security Add-ons that might be interfering? The computer clock working/set? -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2020-04-10T00:00:00.000Z-Miniapolis-2020-04-09T23:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-79" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Every archive.is page I've tried; sometimes I need to check a reference as part of a copyedit. (I'm working on <a href="/wiki/The_Grand_Budapest_Hotel" title="The Grand Budapest Hotel">The Grand Budapest Hotel</a>, which seems to use archive.is exclusively.) Fortunately, most of the links are still live. Computer clock set and working, and I have default FF security. Maybe there's something in the archive.is code that triggers the warning. Stay well and all the best, <a href="/wiki/User:Miniapolis" title="User:Miniapolis">Mini</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Miniapolis" title="User talk:Miniapolis">apolis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Miniapolis-2020-04-10T13:42:00.000Z-GreenC-2020-04-10T00:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 10 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-80" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Miniapolis" title="User:Miniapolis">Miniapolis</a>: Looking at citation # 102 ("Olsen, Mark") the archive URL is <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://archive.today/iaRVK">http://archive.today/iaRVK</a> .. when I open it redirects to <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://archive.vn/iaRVK">https://archive.vn/iaRVK</a> (note the "https:" and ".vn"). Can you try connecting direct to <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://archive.today/iaRVK">https://archive.today/iaRVK</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://archive.vn/iaRVK">https://archive.vn/iaRVK</a> do either cause an error? (I don't get errors using FF). -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2020-04-10T15:39:00.000Z-Miniapolis-2020-04-10T13:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 10 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-81" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Many thanks for the help. Both those links work; apparently the https:// makes a difference. Pinging @<a href="/wiki/User:DAP388" class="mw-redirect" title="User:DAP388">DAP388</a>:, who wants to take the article to FA; those http://archive.is links may be a problem. The one privacy FF add-on I have is Privacy Badger, but that doesn't seem to be an issue. All the best, <a href="/wiki/User:Miniapolis" title="User:Miniapolis">Mini</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Miniapolis" title="User talk:Miniapolis">apolis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Miniapolis-2020-04-10T15:53:00.000Z-GreenC-2020-04-10T15:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:53, 10 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-82" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>I don't know much about this stuff, but my guess is that PB may have triggered the FF warning because of the redirect; both "good" links were identical. <a href="/wiki/User:Miniapolis" title="User:Miniapolis">Mini</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Miniapolis" title="User talk:Miniapolis">apolis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Miniapolis-2020-04-10T15:58:00.000Z-Miniapolis-2020-04-10T15:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 10 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-83" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>This is how .today domain works. It always redirects to another domain: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://twitter.com/archiveis/status/1249475103584370689">https://twitter.com/archiveis/status/1249475103584370689</a> — Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/188.143.233.210" title="Special:Contributions/188.143.233.210">188.143.233.210</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:188.143.233.210#top" title="User talk:188.143.233.210">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-188.143.233.210-2020-04-14T00:13:00.000Z-Miniapolis-2020-04-10T13:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:13, 14 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-84" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>we have a free <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/archive-page/">addon</a> for Mozilla Firefox in order to automate the step needed to be performed for an archiviation. Probably, it will be extended for the other browsers in the future. — Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.14.139.236" title="Special:Contributions/78.14.139.236">78.14.139.236</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:78.14.139.236&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:78.14.139.236 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-78.14.139.236-2020-05-14T23:56:00.000Z-78.14.139.65-2020-02-22T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 14 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-85" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>I just archived a web page using <a href="/wiki/Lynx_(web_browser)" title="Lynx (web browser)">Lynx</a>. Perhaps the captcha has been removed or disabled by now? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:16B8:2C0F:2600:D91C:72F:4C3C:2D39" title="Special:Contributions/2001:16B8:2C0F:2600:D91C:72F:4C3C:2D39">2001:16B8:2C0F:2600:D91C:72F:4C3C:2D39</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2001:16B8:2C0F:2600:D91C:72F:4C3C:2D39&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2001:16B8:2C0F:2600:D91C:72F:4C3C:2D39 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-2001:16B8:2C0F:2600:D91C:72F:4C3C:2D39-2020-07-29T13:02:00.000Z-78.14.139.65-2020-02-22T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:02, 29 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-86" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(28)"><h2 id="past_tense?" data-mw-thread-id="h-past_tense?-2020-12-11T00:26:00.000Z">past tense?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: past tense?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-150' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-GreenC-2020-12-20T04:09:00.000Z-past_tense?">3 years ago</a>3 comments3 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-28 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-28"> For a some time archive.today and all its mirrors are unavailable (I tried opening directly in my browser and checked by services like "downforeveryoneorjustme.com" or "isitdownrightnow.com"). I can't find any recent info about closing the site or any kind of technical malfunction. The last tweet is from April 2nd (2020), unrelated to the situation. Does it mean that the website has been shut down? If yes, shouldn't the article describe Archive.today with past tense? --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/37.30.20.131" title="Special:Contributions/37.30.20.131">37.30.20.131</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:37.30.20.131&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:37.30.20.131 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-37.30.20.131-2020-12-11T00:26:00.000Z-past_tense?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 11 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-87" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Most of the time since then it has been down. But different URLs have been up for very brief amounts of time so it's not dead completely.--<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/76.123.193.174" title="Special:Contributions/76.123.193.174">76.123.193.174</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:76.123.193.174&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:76.123.193.174 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-76.123.193.174-2020-12-20T03:45:00.000Z-37.30.20.131-2020-12-11T00:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-88" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> I suspect DNS resolver is the problem. The site is not actually down, but some DNS resolvers are not supported by archive.today so it appears down. Try some from the list at <a href="/wiki/Public_recursive_name_server" title="Public recursive name server">Public recursive name server</a> -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2020-12-20T04:09:00.000Z-past_tense?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:09, 20 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-89" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(29)"><h2 id="Possible_Mistake" data-mw-thread-id="h-Possible_Mistake-2021-02-26T16:48:00.000Z">Possible Mistake</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Possible Mistake" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-151' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Poudink-2021-02-26T16:48:00.000Z-Possible_Mistake">3 years ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-29 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-29"> The article states that "[archive.today] retrieves one page at a time similar to WebCite, smaller than 50MB each" or that, in other words, it can archive pages up to 50MB large. However, it later goes on to say that "Individual users can only archive and/or retrieve approximately 10 to 20 megabytes of data per day.", which means it would be impossible to archive pages larger than 10-20MB. I believe the person who wrote that part may have meant to write 10 to 20 gigabytes, rather than 10 to 20 megabytes. In the first place, a 10 to 20 megabyte/day limit is pretty ridiculous. The only way I can see that not being a mistake would be if 50MB actually meant 50 megabits, which is equal to 6.25 megabytes.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Poudink&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Poudink (page does not exist)">User:Poudink</a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Poudink&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Poudink (page does not exist)">User talk:Poudink</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Poudink-2021-02-26T16:48:00.000Z-Possible_Mistake" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 26 February 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-90" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(30)"><h2 id="FrescoBot" data-mw-thread-id="h-FrescoBot-2021-07-02T21:28:00.000Z">FrescoBot</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: FrescoBot" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-152' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-GreenC-2021-07-03T19:25:00.000Z-Thibaut120094-2021-07-03T17:10:00.000Z">3 years ago</a>3 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-30 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-30"> @<a href="/wiki/User:Thibaut120094" title="User:Thibaut120094">Thibaut120094</a>: my understanding is there is a reason the IP added the nobots tag for FrescoBot. Let's discuss before reverting again. -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2021-07-02T21:28:00.000Z-FrescoBot" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 2 July 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-91" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Sorry I didn’t get your ping (see <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Echo#Technical_details" class="extiw" title="mw:Manual:Echo">mw:Manual:Echo#Technical details</a> to know why).</dd> <dd>The IP explained the reason, it was a false positive from the bot (although it would be better to use a secondary source, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User:Thibaut120094" title="User:Thibaut120094">Thibaut</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thibaut120094" title="User talk:Thibaut120094">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Thibaut120094-2021-07-03T17:10:00.000Z-GreenC-2021-07-02T21:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 3 July 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-92" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Ah so after reading Echo, it looks like after making those typos, I should have deleted the section and reposted the entire thing as a new edition. -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2021-07-03T19:25:00.000Z-Thibaut120094-2021-07-03T17:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 3 July 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-93" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(31)"><h2 id="Blocked_in_Australia?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Blocked_in_Australia?-2021-07-31T14:57:00.000Z">Blocked in Australia?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Blocked in Australia?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-153' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-GreenC-2021-07-31T14:57:00.000Z-Blocked_in_Australia?">3 years ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-31 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-31"> Is there a way to confirm this? See <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://blog.archive.today/post/641531140496310272/hi-archiving-is-getting-extremely-slow-here-in">[4]</a> which is contra though not definitive. -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2021-07-31T14:57:00.000Z-Blocked_in_Australia?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-94" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(32)"><h2 id="Down_September_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-Down_September_2021-2021-09-06T14:44:00.000Z">Down September 2021</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Down September 2021" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-154' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Rlink2-2021-09-11T01:39:00.000Z-Down_September_2021">3 years ago</a>6 comments4 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-32 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-32"> Archive.today has been down for at least a week as of 06 September 2021. <a href="/wiki/User:Cagliost" title="User:Cagliost">cagliost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cagliost" title="User talk:Cagliost">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Cagliost-2021-09-06T14:44:00.000Z-Down_September_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 6 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-95" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> I can confirm @Cagliost's observation regarding a multi-day, seemingly global, outage of the service. <a href="/wiki/User:Gabefair" title="User:Gabefair">Gabefair</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gabefair" title="User talk:Gabefair">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Gabefair-2021-09-08T07:26:00.000Z-Down_September_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:26, 8 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-96" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> Was down for me ever since like yesterday. This + webcitation both being down at the same time seems strange. Archive.org is still there, and I think archive.today and webcitation should both be up soon. Again, they are free websites, so I don't really mind downtime. Also this is probably why there is space for up to 7(?) web archives in the webarchive template. <a href="/wiki/User:Rlink2" title="User:Rlink2">Rlink2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rlink2" title="User talk:Rlink2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Rlink2-2021-09-08T14:35:00.000Z-Down_September_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 8 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-97" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> Working for me, and nothing in the blog about an outage. Try a different DNS that doesn't go through CloudFlare eg. 1.1.1.1 .. archive.today outages are often due to certain DNS resolvers. -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2021-09-08T15:47:00.000Z-Down_September_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 8 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-98" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Could someone with access add the IP address to the Wikipedia article? <a href="/wiki/User:Cagliost" title="User:Cagliost">cagliost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cagliost" title="User talk:Cagliost">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Cagliost-2021-09-08T16:24:00.000Z-GreenC-2021-09-08T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 8 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-99" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> I could think about writing a section about the DNS thing, but it would need approval from GreenC first <a href="/wiki/User:Rlink2" title="User:Rlink2">Rlink2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rlink2" title="User talk:Rlink2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Rlink2-2021-09-11T01:39:00.000Z-Down_September_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 11 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(33)"><h2 id="Ownership" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ownership-2021-09-06T14:45:00.000Z">Ownership</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Ownership" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-155' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-GreenC-20221018174100-Piotrus-20221018065000">2 years ago</a>5 comments4 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-33 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-33"> Does anyone know who runs it? <a href="/wiki/User:Cagliost" title="User:Cagliost">cagliost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cagliost" title="User talk:Cagliost">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Cagliost-2021-09-06T14:45:00.000Z-Ownership" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 6 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-101" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>No, I just created a sub-section about it. <a href="/wiki/User:1e100" title="User:1e100">1e100</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:1e100" title="User talk:1e100">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-1e100-2022-01-21T13:38:00.000Z-Cagliost-2021-09-06T14:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:38, 21 January 2022 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-102" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> I disagree about some of that being appropriate for Wikipedia. First it could be the wrong person and we cause someone trouble. Second it violates a basic rule about Original Research. Third it's speculation. -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2022-01-21T16:35:00.000Z-Ownership" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 21 January 2022 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-103" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>But we should say something about this. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://lookup.icann.org/en/lookup">https://lookup.icann.org/en/lookup</a> says "Organization: Data Protected. Mailing Address: ON, CA . Redacted for privacy: some of the data in this object has been removed." This is strange. Are there no RS sources here? No journalist tried too look into this? PS. Removed information can be seen <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Archive.today&diff=1067079814&oldid=1067055289&diffmode=source">here</a>; I agree it is ORish, my point is - we should say something. Is this an NGO? A company? From which country? Can such a shady service be considered reliable? <a href="/wiki/User:Piotrus" title="User:Piotrus">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Piotrus" title="User talk:Piotrus"> reply here</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Piotrus-20221018065000-GreenC-2022-01-21T16:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:50, 18 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-104" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>That Canada mailing address could be anything including a default security address issued by ICANN. According to archive.vn/faq it is "privately funded" so not an NGO. And apparently they want to retain personal privacy. Not sure that makes them a "shady service", there are good reasons, laws about web archiving are themselves a bit shady and change by country. For example Ghostarchive.org is similar. You either need to be 'too big to fail' like Wayback with institutional support in case of legal attack, or small and quick. The question is their reputation and archive.today has a good reputation for being reliable and not manipulating data. They are also pretty open with a blog answering user questions. They appear to host things globally using services like AWS. There's no journalism about it for Wikipedia RS pruposes. -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-20221018174100-Piotrus-20221018065000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 18 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-105" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(34)"><h2 id="Is_commercial_site?_(Reliable_source?)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_commercial_site?_(Reliable_source?)-2021-12-21T10:08:00.000Z">Is commercial site? (Reliable source?)</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Is commercial site? (Reliable source?)" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-156' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-GreenC-2021-12-21T15:45:00.000Z-50.89.193.43-2021-12-21T10:08:00.000Z">2 years ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-34 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-34"> In the infobox, there is a citation linking to a page with ads. This is used to infer that Archive.today is a commercial website. This seems like either original research or synthesis. Also, I think I remember reading elsewhere that the ads are just to help cover operating costs. (Not commercial?) Is there a reliable source that actually states that the site is commercial (or otherwise)? --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/50.89.193.43" title="Special:Contributions/50.89.193.43">50.89.193.43</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:50.89.193.43&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:50.89.193.43 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-50.89.193.43-2021-12-21T10:08:00.000Z-Is_commercial_site?_(Reliable_source?)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 21 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-106" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>There is no indication it is non-profit (non-commercial). Infoboxes suck for this sort of thing as they are black and white data points lacking ambiguity. If you think it shouldn't be in the info box then remove it. However, it should be mentioned in the article body with some kind of explanation. It is permissible to link to a primary source. My understanding is they do take money for ads, but it's limited. It has been discussed on the blog before, so would need old blog posts. Funding of archive.today remains opaque the more said about it the better, it would be great if someone researched and reported what has been written about it in the blog. -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2021-12-21T15:45:00.000Z-50.89.193.43-2021-12-21T10:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 21 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-107" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(35)"><h2 id="Cloudflare_DNS_service" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cloudflare_DNS_service-2022-02-20T06:32:00.000Z">Cloudflare DNS service</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Cloudflare DNS service" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-157' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Alexo-20230816042500-VintageVernacular-20230816034500">1 year ago</a>6 comments5 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-35 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-35"> The text states that "Since at least May 2018 it has not been possible to reach the site when using Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS service". A query this morning (20 February 2022) suggests that both "archive.is" and "archive.today" resolve using "1.1.1.1". Can others verify the site works using the 1.1.1.1 DNS service? <a href="/wiki/User:Pvanheus" title="User:Pvanheus">Pvanheus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pvanheus" title="User talk:Pvanheus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Pvanheus-2022-02-20T06:32:00.000Z-Cloudflare_DNS_service" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:32, 20 February 2022 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-108" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>When you say "resolve" do you mean via nslookup or dig something returning an IP; or the site is accessible from a browser that is using 1.1.1.1 as its resolver. My experience has been that weird things happen, it can work sometimes and not others, etc.. -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2022-02-20T16:31:00.000Z-Pvanheus-2022-02-20T06:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 20 February 2022 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-109" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Not working. Could be OpenDNS squabble again. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:643:8800:F320:C557:F7D7:3897:7B51" title="Special:Contributions/2601:643:8800:F320:C557:F7D7:3897:7B51">2601:643:8800:F320:C557:F7D7:3897:7B51</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:643:8800:F320:C557:F7D7:3897:7B51&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:643:8800:F320:C557:F7D7:3897:7B51 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-2601:643:8800:F320:C557:F7D7:3897:7B51-20230424174000-GreenC-2022-02-20T16:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 24 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-110" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Tried both Quad9 and Cloudflare DNS servers today and archive.is goes into a captcha loop.</dd> <dd>And I'm not the only one: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37077049">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37077049</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Alexo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Alexo (page does not exist)">Alex O.</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Alexo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Alexo (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Alexo-20230816024700-2601:643:8800:F320:C557:F7D7:3897:7B51-20230424174000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-111" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>I've been able to get through on a Chromium browser but not Firefox. The site remains accessible, but as usual it's having trouble. <a href="/wiki/User:VintageVernacular" title="User:VintageVernacular">VintageVernacular</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VintageVernacular" title="User talk:VintageVernacular">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-VintageVernacular-20230816034500-Alexo-20230816024700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:45, 16 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-112" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>I got a captcha loop on both FF and ungoogled chromium.</dd> <dd>Most likely one of your browsers uses DOH and the other does not, or they both do via different providers. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Alexo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Alexo (page does not exist)">Alex O.</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Alexo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Alexo (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Alexo-20230816042500-VintageVernacular-20230816034500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 16 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-113" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(36)"><h2 id="Outage" data-mw-thread-id="h-Outage-2022-06-22T18:35:00.000Z">Outage</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Outage" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-158' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-TheresNoTime-20220721090300-GreenC-2022-06-22T18:35:00.000Z">2 years ago</a>3 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-36 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-36"> 22 June 2022: detected outage at 18:34 UTC archive pages return "Server Outage" error. Home page works. -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2022-06-22T18:35:00.000Z-Outage" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:35, 22 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-114" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Back up in a few hours. -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-2022-06-23T03:05:00.000Z-GreenC-2022-06-22T18:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:05, 23 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-115" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>Been quite a significant outage the past two days now — can't find any <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">RS</a> for that though — <a href="/wiki/User:TheresNoTime" title="User:TheresNoTime">TNT</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheresNoTime" title="User talk:TheresNoTime">talk</a> • she/her) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-TheresNoTime-20220721090300-GreenC-2022-06-22T18:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-116" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(37)"><h2 id="Error_1001_for_a_while_now_in_South_Africa" data-mw-thread-id="h-Error_1001_for_a_while_now_in_South_Africa-20230623123500">Error 1001 for a while now in South Africa</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Error 1001 for a while now in South Africa" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-159' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-CleverTitania-20230816065900-Maqdisi-20230623123500">1 year ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-37 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-37"> Are other places facing the same problem? Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Maqdisi" title="User:Maqdisi">Maqdisi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maqdisi" title="User talk:Maqdisi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Maqdisi-20230623123500-Error_1001_for_a_while_now_in_South_Africa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:35, 23 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-117" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Getting the same error weeks later, in the US - the article's statement about the Cloudfare issues being resolved might be a tad premature. <a href="/wiki/User:CleverTitania" title="User:CleverTitania">CleverTitania</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CleverTitania" title="User talk:CleverTitania">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-CleverTitania-20230816065900-Maqdisi-20230623123500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:59, 16 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-118" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(38)"><h2 id="Completely_dead?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Completely_dead?-20240311122200">Completely dead?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: Completely dead?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-160' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-90.131.35.142-20240414033000-Netizen-20240311122200">7 months ago</a>3 comments3 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-38 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-38"> None of the pages seem to work anymore. Has the entire site died? (I did a quick Google but found no one else complaining recently.) All down: <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/archive.today.html">https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/archive.today.html</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/archive.ph.html">https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/archive.ph.html</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/archive.is.html">https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/archive.is.html</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/archive.li.html">https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/archive.li.html</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/archive.vn.html">https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/archive.vn.html</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/archive.fo.html">https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/archive.fo.html</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/archive.md.html">https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/archive.md.html</a></li></ul> <a href="/wiki/User:Netizen" title="User:Netizen">Netizen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netizen" title="User talk:Netizen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Netizen-20240311122200-Completely_dead?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:22, 11 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-119" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Works for me. Archive.today has weird things going on with DNS and CloudFlare. Try to use a DNS provider that is not on CloudFlare. That's probably the case with isitdownrightnow.com for example this site says it is up: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/archive.today">https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/archive.today</a> -- <a href="/wiki/User:GreenC" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenC" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-GreenC-20240311144800-Netizen-20240311122200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-120" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>There is a deadlock from both sides (Archive.today and CF), it is unlikely to be solved</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://twitter.com/archiveis/status/1772082674556965373">https://twitter.com/archiveis/status/1772082674556965373</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/90.131.35.142" title="Special:Contributions/90.131.35.142">90.131.35.142</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:90.131.35.142&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:90.131.35.142 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-90.131.35.142-20240414033000-Netizen-20240311122200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:30, 14 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-121" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(39)"><h2 id="Some_domains_are_down" data-mw-thread-id="h-Some_domains_are_down-20240905202700">Some domains are down</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archive.today&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: Some domains are down" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-161' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Stalegingerlingers-20240905202700-Some_domains_are_down">2 months ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-39 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-39"> Both <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://archive.today/">https://archive.today/</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://archive.ph">https://archive.ph</a> load very slowly, occasionally showing an error message from <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://blackhole.beeline.ru">http://blackhole.beeline.ru</a> saying "Access to information resources is restricted on the basis of the Federal Law «On Information, Information Technologies and Protection of Information».". Could be a partial block for certain regions, since DNS queries only intermittently return 178.250.246.75 (probably St Petersburg) <a href="/wiki/User:Stalegingerlingers" title="User:Stalegingerlingers">Stalegingerlingers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stalegingerlingers" title="User talk:Stalegingerlingers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Archive.today#c-Stalegingerlingers-20240905202700-Some_domains_are_down" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-122" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" 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