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No further edits should be made to this page.</i></dd></dl> <p>The article was <b>promoted</b> by <a href="/wiki/User:Laser_brain" title="User:Laser brain">Laser brain</a> via <a href="/wiki/User:FACBot" title="User:FACBot">FACBot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FACBot" title="User talk:FACBot">talk</a>) 18 March 2019 <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1&diff=888348787&oldid=888347817">[1]</a>. </p> <hr/> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="IFF_Mark_II" data-mw-thread-id="h-IFF_Mark_II-2019-02-11T20:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IFF_Mark_II-2019-02-11T20:18:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/IFF_Mark_II" title="IFF Mark II">IFF Mark II</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-IFF_Mark_II-2019-02-11T20:18:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: IFF Mark II"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><small><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-02-11T20:18:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II"></span>Nominator(s): <a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz">Maury Markowitz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maury_Markowitz" title="User talk:Maury Markowitz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-02-11T20:18:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 11 February 2019 (UTC)</a></i><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-02-11T20:18:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-02-11T20:18:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-02-11T20:18:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II-1"></span>This article is about the first IFF system to be used. IFF is an important technology, it's what keeps jets from pilling into each other (<a href="/wiki/2002_%C3%9Cberlingen_mid-air_collision" title="2002 Überlingen mid-air collision">as long as the pilots listen to it</a>!), and this is the device that started it all. It underwent a MILHIST A-class a while back and I've been letting it stew for a while since. But it seems it doesn't have much more it needs, so it's time to bring it here. <a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz">Maury Markowitz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maury_Markowitz" title="User talk:Maury Markowitz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-02-11T20:18:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 11 February 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-02-11T20:18:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-02-11T20:18:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II-1"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peacemaker67-2019-02-16T08:34:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II"></span>A few comments from me, although I am completely out-of-my-depth with the tech stuff: </p> <ul><li>the use of italics for <i>sector</i> and <i>blip</i> is non-standard, quotes would be better, or just plain text would probably also be ok.</li> <li>I'm not sure about the use of "Battle" on its own. Suggest using "Battle of Britain" at each instance.</li> <li>the second sentence of Note a needs a citation.</li> <li>it is a bit unclear to me, is there an article for the Mark I IFF? I see there is one for the Mark III.</li> <li>Rather than one History section, I think a Background (Previous efforts and Mark I), History (Mark II) and Aftermath (Mark III) structure would be better.</li></ul> <p>That's all I have. A well-written and succinct article. <a href="/wiki/User:Peacemaker67" title="User:Peacemaker67">Peacemaker67</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peacemaker67" title="User talk:Peacemaker67">click to talk to me</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Peacemaker67-2019-02-16T08:34:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:34, 16 February 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peacemaker67-2019-02-16T08:34:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peacemaker67-2019-02-16T08:34:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-02-22T19:56:00.000Z-Peacemaker67-2019-02-16T08:34:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Peacemaker67" title="User:Peacemaker67">Peacemaker67</a>:</span> Just saw these comments now. I give up on trying to understand MOS on italics, so I'll use quotes in these cases - in this case sector does not mean sector so I think that's worth noting. I changed all references to Battle of Britain. The second statement in the note is referenced in the main body. Mark I and Mark II are almost identical, so they are both covered in this article; cf. ASV Mark II and AI Mark IV. I've never quite decided if I like the compound articles, but can't convince myself separating them out helps anything. In contrast, Mark III is a very different device. The History section is meant to be read as a largely chronological story of this device's genesis and fadeout, so I normally put it all in one section with subsections. <a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz">Maury Markowitz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maury_Markowitz" title="User talk:Maury Markowitz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-02-22T19:56:00.000Z-Peacemaker67-2019-02-16T08:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 22 February 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-02-22T19:56:00.000Z-Peacemaker67-2019-02-16T08:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-02-22T19:56:00.000Z-Peacemaker67-2019-02-16T08:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Peacemaker67" title="User:Peacemaker67"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ian_Rose-2019-03-04T10:31:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2019-02-22T19:56:00.000Z"></span>PM</a>, are you satisfied that your comments have been dealt with? Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Ian_Rose" title="User:Ian Rose">Ian Rose</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ian_Rose" title="User talk:Ian Rose">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Ian_Rose-2019-03-04T10:31:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2019-02-22T19:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:31, 4 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ian_Rose-2019-03-04T10:31:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2019-02-22T19:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ian_Rose-2019-03-04T10:31:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2019-02-22T19:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peacemaker67-2019-03-05T06:23:00.000Z-Ian_Rose-2019-03-04T10:31:00.000Z"></span>Sure. <b>Supporting</b>. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Peacemaker67" title="User:Peacemaker67">Peacemaker67</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peacemaker67" title="User talk:Peacemaker67">click to talk to me</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Peacemaker67-2019-03-05T06:23:00.000Z-Ian_Rose-2019-03-04T10:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:23, 5 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peacemaker67-2019-03-05T06:23:00.000Z-Ian_Rose-2019-03-04T10:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peacemaker67-2019-03-05T06:23:00.000Z-Ian_Rose-2019-03-04T10:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nikkimaria-2019-02-16T17:11:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II"></span>Image review</b> </p> <ul><li>Suggest adding alt text. <a href="/wiki/User:Nikkimaria" title="User:Nikkimaria">Nikkimaria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikkimaria" title="User talk:Nikkimaria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Nikkimaria-2019-02-16T17:11:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 16 February 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nikkimaria-2019-02-16T17:11:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nikkimaria-2019-02-16T17:11:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II"></span></li></ul> <dl><dt>Support</dt></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hawkeye7-2019-02-16T21:09:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II"></span>I reviewed this article at A-class, and believe it meets the standards. I endorse Peacemaker67's suggestions. <a href="/wiki/User:Hawkeye7" title="User:Hawkeye7"><span style="color:#800082">Hawkeye7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7" title="User talk:Hawkeye7"><span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Hawkeye7-2019-02-16T21:09:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 16 February 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawkeye7-2019-02-16T21:09:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawkeye7-2019-02-16T21:09:00.000Z-IFF_Mark_II"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Comments_from_Mike_Christie" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comments_from_Mike_Christie-IFF_Mark_II-2019-02-26T02:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comments_from_Mike_Christie-IFF_Mark_II-2019-02-26T02:18:00.000Z"></span>Comments from Mike Christie<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comments_from_Mike_Christie-IFF_Mark_II-2019-02-26T02:18:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Comments from Mike Christie"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mike_Christie-2019-02-26T02:18:00.000Z-Comments_from_Mike_Christie"></span>I've read this through and can find very little wrong; I've made one minor copyedit. I'll read it again tomorrow and expect to support then. <a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Christie" title="User:Mike Christie">Mike Christie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Christie" title="User talk:Mike Christie">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mike_Christie" title="Special:Contributions/Mike Christie">contribs</a> - <a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Christie/Reference_library" title="User:Mike Christie/Reference library">library</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Mike_Christie-2019-02-26T02:18:00.000Z-Comments_from_Mike_Christie" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:18, 26 February 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mike_Christie-2019-02-26T02:18:00.000Z-Comments_from_Mike_Christie"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mike_Christie-2019-02-26T02:18:00.000Z-Comments_from_Mike_Christie"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mike_Christie-2019-02-27T03:30:00.000Z-Mike_Christie-2019-02-26T02:18:00.000Z"></span>Support</b>. I read through again and made another small edit. Succinct and clear, and as far as I can tell, comprehensive. <a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Christie" title="User:Mike Christie">Mike Christie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Christie" title="User talk:Mike Christie">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mike_Christie" title="Special:Contributions/Mike Christie">contribs</a> - <a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Christie/Reference_library" title="User:Mike Christie/Reference library">library</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Mike_Christie-2019-02-27T03:30:00.000Z-Mike_Christie-2019-02-26T02:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:30, 27 February 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mike_Christie-2019-02-27T03:30:00.000Z-Mike_Christie-2019-02-26T02:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mike_Christie-2019-02-27T03:30:00.000Z-Mike_Christie-2019-02-26T02:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Comments_from_Ian" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comments_from_Ian-IFF_Mark_II-2019-03-05T12:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comments_from_Ian-IFF_Mark_II-2019-03-05T12:18:00.000Z"></span>Comments from Ian<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comments_from_Ian-IFF_Mark_II-2019-03-05T12:18:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Comments from Ian"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-03-05T16:46:00.000Z-Comments_from_Ian"></span>Having first heard of IFF when I read war comics as a kid, and finding it such a useful idea, I can't resist recusing coord duties to review. Don't hesitate to let me know any concerns with my copyedit; aside from that: </p> <ul><li>"The system was much more likely to work than the Mark I because the pilot could not forget to tune it" -- do we mean that it generally didn't require tuning so that as a rule the pilot didn't need to remember? As written it sounds more like some alarm that'd go off ensuring he tuned it...</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Well it would, if by "alarm" you mean "AA exploding around you". I've re-worded this section.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>"Even when IFF was available, its general unreliability made it difficult for controllers to trust it" -- this kind of pulled me up short because up to that point the impression I'd received from the Mark II subsection was that this was a useful system but "general unreliability" seems to say otherwise. Did I miss something?</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>The timeline I think - this is referring to the BOB period when the unreliable Mark I was in (some) use. I've touched it up to make it more obvious.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Regarding content as opposed to to prose, my first comment is that I was somewhat surprised to find such a succinct article on the subject. I think it provides a good overview but I wonder if there's room for more detail in places, for instance:</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>Where there any notable cases where the system was used but failed somehow and Allied fighters attacked friendly aircraft? I don't mean like Barking Creek where it wasn't used at all...</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>I suspect hundreds - even in Korea IFF was considered suspect to the point they ended up assuming all aircraft were friendly. But this is more about IFF in general than Mark II specifically, I'm not aware of any Mark II specific incidences. Closterman's famous example was Mark III. I think that's simply because Mark II wasn't in service for that long.</li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li>Aside from infiltrating Allied bomber formations, did the Germans have any other methods for spoiling the system? For instance did they ever try duplicating it (perhaps using captured Allied planes as a starting point)?</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>Yes, but again, not for Mark II. They did have one for Mark III (and IIRC, the Japanese had it too) but I'm not sure of its operational experience. <a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz">Maury Markowitz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maury_Markowitz" title="User talk:Maury Markowitz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-03-05T16:46:00.000Z-Comments_from_Ian" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:46, 5 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-03-05T16:46:00.000Z-Comments_from_Ian"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-03-05T16:46:00.000Z-Comments_from_Ian"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ian_Rose-2019-03-05T12:18:00.000Z-Comments_from_Ian"></span>That's all I have for now. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Ian_Rose" title="User:Ian Rose">Ian Rose</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ian_Rose" title="User talk:Ian Rose">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Ian_Rose-2019-03-05T12:18:00.000Z-Comments_from_Ian" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:18, 5 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ian_Rose-2019-03-05T12:18:00.000Z-Comments_from_Ian"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ian_Rose-2019-03-05T12:18:00.000Z-Comments_from_Ian"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ian_Rose-2019-03-15T23:33:00.000Z-Ian_Rose-2019-03-05T12:18:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for those changes Maury; assuming <a href="/wiki/User:Brianboulton" title="User:Brianboulton">Brian</a> is happy with the responses re. sourcing I'm happy to <b>support</b>. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Ian_Rose" title="User:Ian Rose">Ian Rose</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ian_Rose" title="User talk:Ian Rose">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Ian_Rose-2019-03-15T23:33:00.000Z-Ian_Rose-2019-03-05T12:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:33, 15 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ian_Rose-2019-03-15T23:33:00.000Z-Ian_Rose-2019-03-05T12:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ian_Rose-2019-03-15T23:33:00.000Z-Ian_Rose-2019-03-05T12:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Sources_review" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sources_review-IFF_Mark_II-2019-03-13T20:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sources_review-IFF_Mark_II-2019-03-13T20:39:00.000Z"></span>Sources review<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sources_review-IFF_Mark_II-2019-03-13T20:39:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Sources review"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-03-14T19:45:00.000Z-Sources_review"></span>Only minor issues/nitpicks: </p> <ul><li>Spotchecks not carried out</li> <li>Citations 2 and 3: Can you clarify who the publishers are?</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Brianboulton" title="User:Brianboulton">Brianboulton</a>:</span>I'm just using the patent template which I assume lists the correct info. I'm not sure a "publisher" detail adds anything of value.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Citation 6: the link is worthless as the preview does not include the source pages</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I have updated the link.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Citation 9: link goes to Google search page</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Fixed.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Citation 15: per MoS, "Imperial War Museum" should not be italicised</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I am once again relying on the cite template for this, is it really the case that the template violates the MOS? <a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz">Maury Markowitz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maury_Markowitz" title="User talk:Maury Markowitz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-03-14T19:45:00.000Z-Sources_review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:45, 14 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-03-14T19:45:00.000Z-Sources_review"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-03-14T19:45:00.000Z-Sources_review"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brianboulton-2019-03-16T15:29:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2019-03-14T19:45:00.000Z"></span>It's not really a MoS problem, it's to do with your choice of parameters within the template. You have chosen "website= Imperial War Museum", but the IWM is not a website, it's the organisation that publishes the website, the address of which is www.iwm.org.uk. So you could use "publisher= Imperial War Museum" or "website= www.iwm.org.uk". Either would be correct, though my personal preference is for publisher=. which is more informative. <a href="/wiki/User:Brianboulton" title="User:Brianboulton">Brianboulton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brianboulton" title="User talk:Brianboulton">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Brianboulton-2019-03-16T15:29:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2019-03-14T19:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 16 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brianboulton-2019-03-16T15:29:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2019-03-14T19:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brianboulton-2019-03-16T15:29:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2019-03-14T19:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Laser_brain-2019-03-18T15:29:00.000Z-Brianboulton-2019-03-16T15:29:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz">Maury Markowitz</a>:</span> Doing a walk-through to assess readiness for promotion and I've taken the liberty of fixing this. --<a href="/wiki/User:Laser_brain" title="User:Laser brain"><span style="color: purple;"><b>Laser brain</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Laser_brain" title="User talk:Laser brain"><span style="color: purple;">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Laser_brain-2019-03-18T15:29:00.000Z-Brianboulton-2019-03-16T15:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 18 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Laser_brain-2019-03-18T15:29:00.000Z-Brianboulton-2019-03-16T15:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Laser_brain-2019-03-18T15:29:00.000Z-Brianboulton-2019-03-16T15:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brianboulton-2019-03-13T20:39:00.000Z-Sources_review"></span>Subject to the minor issues raised above, the sources appear to meet the required criteria for quality and reliability and are consistently presented. <a href="/wiki/User:Brianboulton" title="User:Brianboulton">Brianboulton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brianboulton" title="User talk:Brianboulton">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Brianboulton-2019-03-13T20:39:00.000Z-Sources_review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 13 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brianboulton-2019-03-13T20:39:00.000Z-Sources_review"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brianboulton-2019-03-13T20:39:00.000Z-Sources_review"></span> </p> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Laser_brain-2019-03-18T15:35:00.000Z-Brianboulton-2019-03-13T20:39:00.000Z"></span>Closing note</b>: This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates" title="Wikipedia:Featured article candidates">candidate</a> has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FAC/ar" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FAC/ar">WP:FAC/ar</a>, and leave the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Featured_article_candidates" title="Template:Featured article candidates">featured article candidates</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template in place on the talk page until the <a href="/wiki/User:FACBot" title="User:FACBot">bot</a> goes through. --<a href="/wiki/User:Laser_brain" title="User:Laser brain"><span style="color: purple;"><b>Laser brain</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Laser_brain" title="User talk:Laser brain"><span style="color: purple;">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1#c-Laser_brain-2019-03-18T15:35:00.000Z-Brianboulton-2019-03-13T20:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 18 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Laser_brain-2019-03-18T15:35:00.000Z-Brianboulton-2019-03-13T20:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Laser_brain-2019-03-18T15:35:00.000Z-Brianboulton-2019-03-13T20:39:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><i>The above discussion is preserved as an archive. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> No further edits should be made to this page.</i></dd></dl></div>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1&oldid=888413595">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/IFF_Mark_II/archive1&oldid=888413595</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 19 March 2019, at 00:06<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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