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First off, I’ve identified that discrepancy across AGI estimates comes down to three things:\u003c/div\u003e\u003cul\u003e\u003cli\u003eHow you define AGI\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eHow you measure intelligence\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003cli\u003eHow fast you think we’re moving on both of those things\u0026nbsp;\u003c/li\u003e\u003c/ul\u003e\u003cdiv\u003eLet’s look look the first today.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/div\u003e\u003ch2\u003eWhat AI tech leaders say about AGI\u003c/h2\u003e\u003cdiv\u003eThe biggest, brightest brains in AI have weighed in. The results: We’re anywhere from a year to 50 years away from AGI. 😹\u003c/div\u003e\u003ctemplate type=\"ImageBlock\" variant=\"fullWidth\" src=\"https://ph-files.imgix.net/1f0e08e8-95e4-474e-8252-bb7e36b3f17c.jpeg?auto=compress\u0026amp;codec=mozjpeg\u0026amp;cs=strip\u0026amp;auto=format\" caption=\"\" alt=\"\"\u003e\u003c/template\u003e\u003cdiv\u003eThe experts at the top of the chart get a lot of media attention. This is in part because, at least in front of the media, they have a more narrow view of how intelligence is defined (i.e. “Can complete X task or test”), and in part because they’re more bullish on how quickly we’re moving on developing the tech to get machines to be able to replicate “intelligence.”\u003c/div\u003e\u003cdiv\u003eBut let’s look at the bottom of the chart. \u003c/div\u003e\u003cdiv\u003eAndrew Ng, cofounder of Google Brain, recently wrote on \u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/posts/andrewyng_when-we-get-to-agi-it-will-have-come-slowly-activity-7172320201907064832-THj2/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\"\u003eLinkedI\u003cem\u003en\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/a\u003e\u003cem\u003e “When we get to AGI, it will have come slowly, not overnight… I expect the path to AGI to be one involving numerous steps forward, leading to step-by-step improvements in how intelligent our systems are.” \u003c/em\u003eNg has also spoken about AGI hype being cyclical, noting that a wave of progress in deep learning 10 years ago sparked a frenzy of AGI coverage. Ng believes this current wave of AGI interest is sparked by progress in generative AI progress, but it will wane again as we reach the limitations of generative AI. \u003c/div\u003e\u003cdiv\u003eSo, will we reach the limitations of generative AI soon? In previous posts, we’ve explained some of those limitations (like context windows) and the strategies AI engineers are working on to expand beyond them (like RAG). Many people with more conservative estimates of AGI would say that new models are getting faster and cheaper with more context, but they haven’t actually solved the core dynamics of what it means to be “intelligent.”\u003c/div\u003e\u003cdiv\u003eNext week, we’ll dive into how you define “intelligence,” but here’s a sneak peek, pulling from Ben Dickson’s TechTalks article “\u003ca href=\"https://bdtechtalks.com/2019/12/03/francois-chollet-arc-ai-measurement/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\"\u003eArtificial intelligence: How to measure the “I” in AI\u003c/a\u003e.” DeepMind cofounder Shane Legg and AI scientist Marcus Hutter say \u003cem\u003e“Intelligence measures an agent’s ability to achieve goals in a wide range of environments.”\u003c/em\u003e The key words here are “wide range of environments.” \u003c/div\u003e\u003cdiv\u003eCome back next week and we’ll go deeper! \u003c/div\u003e\u003cdiv\u003e–\u003c/div\u003e\u003cdiv\u003eThis article originally appeared in our weekly AI newsletter, \u003ca href=\"https://deeperlearning.producthunt.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\"\u003eDeeper Learning\u003c/a\u003e. \u003c/div\u003e","canManage":false,"minsToRead":3,"structuredData":{"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","mainEntityOfPage":{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https://www.producthunt.com/stories/q-a-how-close-are-we-to-agi-really"},"headline":"Q\u0026A: “How close are we to AGI, really?”","image":["https://ph-files.imgix.net/42d1474d-91e1-4dba-bd8d-6267202e35e5.jpeg?auto=format\u0026fit=crop\u0026frame=1\u0026h=512\u0026w=1024"],"author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Sarah Wright","image":"https://ph-avatars.imgix.net/3192969/original.jpeg?auto=format\u0026fit=crop\u0026crop=faces\u0026w=100\u0026h=100","url":"https://www.producthunt.com/@sarah_wright7"},"publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"Product Hunt","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","url":"https://ph-static.imgix.net/ph-publisher-logo.png","width":220,"height":60}},"description":"Ask Kitty is a series from our AI newsletter, Deeper Learning, where we answer your questions about AI. 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This is in part because, at least in front of the media, they have a more narrow view of how intelligence is defined (i.e. “Can complete X task or test”), and in part because they’re more bullish on how quickly we’re moving on developing the tech to get machines to be able to replicate “intelligence.”\u003c/div\u003e\u003cdiv\u003eBut let’s look at the bottom of the chart. \u003c/div\u003e\u003cdiv\u003eAndrew Ng, cofounder of Google Brain, recently wrote on \u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/posts/andrewyng_when-we-get-to-agi-it-will-have-come-slowly-activity-7172320201907064832-THj2/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\"\u003eLinkedI\u003cem\u003en\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/a\u003e\u003cem\u003e “When we get to AGI, it will have come slowly, not overnight… I expect the path to AGI to be one involving numerous steps forward, leading to step-by-step improvements in how intelligent our systems are.” \u003c/em\u003eNg has also spoken about AGI hype being cyclical, noting that a wave of progress in deep learning 10 years ago sparked a frenzy of AGI coverage. 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Many people with more conservative estimates of AGI would say that new models are getting faster and cheaper with more context, but they haven’t actually solved the core dynamics of what it means to be “intelligent.”\u003c/div\u003e\u003cdiv\u003eNext week, we’ll dive into how you define “intelligence,” but here’s a sneak peek, pulling from Ben Dickson’s TechTalks article “\u003ca href=\"https://bdtechtalks.com/2019/12/03/francois-chollet-arc-ai-measurement/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\"\u003eArtificial intelligence: How to measure the “I” in AI\u003c/a\u003e.” DeepMind cofounder Shane Legg and AI scientist Marcus Hutter say \u003cem\u003e“Intelligence measures an agent’s ability to achieve goals in a wide range of environments.”\u003c/em\u003e The key words here are “wide range of environments.” \u003c/div\u003e\u003cdiv\u003eCome back next week and we’ll go deeper! \u003c/div\u003e\u003cdiv\u003e–\u003c/div\u003e\u003cdiv\u003eThis article originally appeared in our weekly AI newsletter, \u003ca href=\"https://deeperlearning.producthunt.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\"\u003eDeeper Learning\u003c/a\u003e. \u003c/div\u003e","canManage":false,"minsToRead":3,"structuredData":{"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","mainEntityOfPage":{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https://www.producthunt.com/stories/q-a-how-close-are-we-to-agi-really"},"headline":"Q\u0026A: “How close are we to AGI, really?”","image":["https://ph-files.imgix.net/42d1474d-91e1-4dba-bd8d-6267202e35e5.jpeg?auto=format\u0026fit=crop\u0026frame=1\u0026h=512\u0026w=1024"],"author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Sarah Wright","image":"https://ph-avatars.imgix.net/3192969/original.jpeg?auto=format\u0026fit=crop\u0026crop=faces\u0026w=100\u0026h=100","url":"https://www.producthunt.com/@sarah_wright7"},"publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"Product Hunt","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","url":"https://ph-static.imgix.net/ph-publisher-logo.png","width":220,"height":60}},"description":"Ask Kitty is a series from our AI newsletter, Deeper Learning, where we answer your questions about AI. 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Today’s question was voted on in a previous newsletter. </div><div class="text-light-gray styles_storyBody__vozi8"><div><strong>Q: </strong><strong><em>How close are we to AGI, really?</em></strong></div><div>A: I can answer this question for you in four words: No one knows, really. </div><div>That’s not fun or helpful, but it’s the truth. So let me try to be helpful. First off, I’ve identified that discrepancy across AGI estimates comes down to three things:</div><ul><li>How you define AGI </li><li>How you measure intelligence </li><li>How fast you think we’re moving on both of those things </li></ul><div>Let’s look look the first today. </div><h2>What AI tech leaders say about AGI</h2><div>The biggest, brightest brains in AI have weighed in. The results: We’re anywhere from a year to 50 years away from AGI. 😹</div><div class="styles_container__67a_D styles_fullWidth__t9ww3" data-type="ImageBlock" data-src="https://ph-files.imgix.net/1f0e08e8-95e4-474e-8252-bb7e36b3f17c.jpeg?auto=compress&codec=mozjpeg&cs=strip&auto=format" data-caption="" data-variant="fullWidth"><img loading="lazy" srcSet="https://ph-files.imgix.net/1f0e08e8-95e4-474e-8252-bb7e36b3f17c.jpeg?auto=compress&codec=mozjpeg&cs=strip&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=1 1x, https://ph-files.imgix.net/1f0e08e8-95e4-474e-8252-bb7e36b3f17c.jpeg?auto=compress&codec=mozjpeg&cs=strip&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2 2x, https://ph-files.imgix.net/1f0e08e8-95e4-474e-8252-bb7e36b3f17c.jpeg?auto=compress&codec=mozjpeg&cs=strip&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=3 3x" src="https://ph-files.imgix.net/1f0e08e8-95e4-474e-8252-bb7e36b3f17c.jpeg?auto=compress&codec=mozjpeg&cs=strip&auto=format&fit=max" alt="" class="styles_img__qnXW4"/></div><div>The experts at the top of the chart get a lot of media attention. This is in part because, at least in front of the media, they have a more narrow view of how intelligence is defined (i.e. “Can complete X task or test”), and in part because they’re more bullish on how quickly we’re moving on developing the tech to get machines to be able to replicate “intelligence.”</div><div>But let’s look at the bottom of the chart. </div><div>Andrew Ng, cofounder of Google Brain, recently wrote on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/andrewyng_when-we-get-to-agi-it-will-have-come-slowly-activity-7172320201907064832-THj2/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">LinkedI<em>n</em></a><em> “When we get to AGI, it will have come slowly, not overnight… I expect the path to AGI to be one involving numerous steps forward, leading to step-by-step improvements in how intelligent our systems are.” </em>Ng has also spoken about AGI hype being cyclical, noting that a wave of progress in deep learning 10 years ago sparked a frenzy of AGI coverage. Ng believes this current wave of AGI interest is sparked by progress in generative AI progress, but it will wane again as we reach the limitations of generative AI. </div><div>So, will we reach the limitations of generative AI soon? In previous posts, we’ve explained some of those limitations (like context windows) and the strategies AI engineers are working on to expand beyond them (like RAG). Many people with more conservative estimates of AGI would say that new models are getting faster and cheaper with more context, but they haven’t actually solved the core dynamics of what it means to be “intelligent.”</div><div>Next week, we’ll dive into how you define “intelligence,” but here’s a sneak peek, pulling from Ben Dickson’s TechTalks article “<a href="https://bdtechtalks.com/2019/12/03/francois-chollet-arc-ai-measurement/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Artificial intelligence: How to measure the “I” in AI</a>.” DeepMind cofounder Shane Legg and AI scientist Marcus Hutter say <em>“Intelligence measures an agent’s ability to achieve goals in a wide range of environments.”</em> The key words here are “wide range of environments.” </div><div>Come back next week and we’ll go deeper! </div><div>–</div><div>This article originally appeared in our weekly AI newsletter, <a href="https://deeperlearning.producthunt.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Deeper Learning</a>. 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styles_format__8NeQe styles_commentBody__PMsJ2">Astoundingly overpowering data, worth proposing. Notwithstanding, I propose this:</div><div class="flex flex-col"><div class="mt-3 flex flex-row flex-wrap items-center gap-5"><button type="button" class="text-left text-12 font-semibold text-light-gray hover:text-coral" data-test="comment-vote-button"><div data-test="comment-upvote-info" class="flex flex-row items-center gap-1"><div class="text-12 font-semibold text-light-gray hover:text-coral">Upvote</div><div class="text-12 font-semibold text-light-gray"></div></div></button><a href="#"><div class="text-12 font-semibold text-light-gray hover:text-coral">Share</div></a><a class="text-12 font-semibold text-light-gray" href="/stories/q-a-how-close-are-we-to-agi-really?comment=3618582"><time dateTime="2024-07-04T08:52:31-07:00" title="Thursday, July 4th 2024, 3:52:31 PM">Jul 4</time></a></div><div class="mt-3 flex flex-row items-center gap-5"></div></div></div></div></div><div class="styles_mobileContainer__atI9L"></div></div><div data-test="thread-3819548"><div id="comment-3819548" data-test="comment-3819548" class="flex flex-row gap-2 md:mb-6"><div class=""><a data-test="user-image-link-7508256" aria-label="Saad Zaman" class="relative" href="/@saad_zaman2"><img loading="lazy" srcSet="https://ph-avatars.imgix.net/7508256/original.jpeg?auto=compress&codec=mozjpeg&cs=strip&auto=format&w=36&h=36&fit=crop&dpr=1 1x, https://ph-avatars.imgix.net/7508256/original.jpeg?auto=compress&codec=mozjpeg&cs=strip&auto=format&w=36&h=36&fit=crop&dpr=2 2x, https://ph-avatars.imgix.net/7508256/original.jpeg?auto=compress&codec=mozjpeg&cs=strip&auto=format&w=36&h=36&fit=crop&dpr=3 3x" src="https://ph-avatars.imgix.net/7508256/original.jpeg?auto=compress&codec=mozjpeg&cs=strip&auto=format&w=36&h=36&fit=crop" style="width:36px;height:36px" alt="Saad Zaman" class="rounded-full"/></a></div><div class="flex flex-1 flex-col gap-2 pb-6 md:pb-0 md:pl-0"><div class="flex flex-row items-center justify-between gap-1"><div class="flex flex-row items-center"><div class=""><a class="text-14 font-semibold text-dark-gray" href="/@saad_zaman2">Saad Zaman</a><a class="text-12 font-normal text-light-gray ml-1" href="/@saad_zaman2">@<!-- -->saad_zaman2</a></div><div class="flex flex-row items-center gap-2"><div class="sm:ml-2"></div></div></div></div><div class="flex flex-col gap-1"><div class="styles_htmlText__eYPgj text-16 font-normal text-light-gray styles_format__8NeQe styles_commentBody__PMsJ2">This article on what AI tech leaders say about AGI was interesting. It gave a good overview of different opinions.You should also click Plano if you need <a href="https://www.meinetipps24.de/treppenrenovierung-wie-man-alte-schoenheit-neu-belebt/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">https://www.meinetipps24.de/treppenrenovierung-wie-man-alte-schoenheit-neu-belebt/ </a> security guards for your protection.</div><div class="flex flex-col"><div class="mt-3 flex flex-row flex-wrap items-center gap-5"><button type="button" class="text-left text-12 font-semibold text-light-gray hover:text-coral" data-test="comment-vote-button"><div data-test="comment-upvote-info" class="flex flex-row items-center gap-1"><div class="text-12 font-semibold text-light-gray hover:text-coral">Upvote</div><div class="text-12 font-semibold text-light-gray"> (1)</div></div></button><a href="#"><div class="text-12 font-semibold text-light-gray hover:text-coral">Share</div></a><a class="text-12 font-semibold text-light-gray" 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