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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Disaster_management" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disaster management">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Disaster management</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Disaster management</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Disaster management</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Disaster management articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-MarsRover-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-color-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-MarsRover-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z-color"],"text":"color","linkableTitle":"color"}--><h2 id="color" data-mw-thread-id="h-color-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-color-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z"></span>color<span data-mw-comment-end="h-color-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: color"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-MarsRover-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-color-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-MarsRover-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z-color"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-MarsRover-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z-color","timestamp":"2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-MarsRover-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-color-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-MarsRover-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z-color"],"text":"color","linkableTitle":"color"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarsRover-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z-color"></span>Interesting template but I would use a different color than red for the "deadliest accident". At first I thought the article was missing then realize its just a just a morbid color choice. --<a href="/wiki/User:MarsRover" title="User:MarsRover">MarsRover</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarsRover" title="User talk:MarsRover">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009#c-MarsRover-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z-color" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:45, 4 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarsRover-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z-color"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z","author":"MarsRover","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MarsRover-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z-color","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarsRover-2009-07-04T04:45:00.000Z-color"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-79.79.133.122-2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Re:color-2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-79.79.133.122-2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z-Re:color"],"text":"Re:color","linkableTitle":"Re:color"}--><h2 id="Re:color" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:color-2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:color-2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z"></span>Re:color<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:color-2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Re:color"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-79.79.133.122-2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Re:color-2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-79.79.133.122-2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z-Re:color"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-79.79.133.122-2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z-Re:color","timestamp":"2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-79.79.133.122-2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Re:color-2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-79.79.133.122-2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z-Re:color"],"text":"Re:color","linkableTitle":"Re:color"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-79.79.133.122-2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z-Re:color"></span>According to the key, the colour should be orange. Is there any reason why it is red instead?? (i.e. unsolved crash investigation?) --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/79.79.133.122" title="Special:Contributions/79.79.133.122">79.79.133.122</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:79.79.133.122&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:79.79.133.122 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009#c-79.79.133.122-2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z-Re:color" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-79.79.133.122-2009-09-02T23:56:00.000Z-Re:color"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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id="h-Alternative_layout-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z"></span>Alternative layout<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alternative_layout-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Alternative layout"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-212.84.106.20-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Alternative_layout-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-212.84.106.20-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z-Alternative_layout","c-212.84.98.102-2010-07-08T08:50:00.000Z-Alternative_layout"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-212.84.98.102-2010-07-08T08:50:00.000Z-Alternative_layout","timestamp":"2010-07-08T08:50:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__7__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__5__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-212.84.106.20-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Alternative_layout-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-212.84.106.20-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z-Alternative_layout","c-212.84.98.102-2010-07-08T08:50:00.000Z-Alternative_layout"],"text":"Alternative layout","linkableTitle":"Alternative layout"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-212.84.106.20-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z-Alternative_layout"></span>How about something like this for these templates: </p> <div class="navbox-styles"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1129693374">.mw-parser-output .hlist dl,.mw-parser-output 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least 50 deaths shown in <i>italics</i> <b>·</b> Deadliest incident shown in <span style="font-size:120%;"><span class="smallcaps">smallcaps</span></span></div></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0;background:transparent;color:inherit;"><div style="padding:0px"><table class="navbox-columns-table" style="border-spacing: 0px; text-align:left;width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><tbody><tr style="vertical-align:top"><td style="width:5em;"> </td><td class="navbox-list" style="padding:0px;width:33.33%;"><div> <p>Jan 15 <a href="/wiki/2009_Makhachkala_Il-76_collision" title="2009 Makhachkala Il-76 collision">Makhachkala Il-76 collision</a><br/> Jan 15 <a href="/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549" title="US Airways Flight 1549">US Airways Flight 1549</a><br/> Jan 17 <a href="/wiki/2009_Gabonese_helicopter_crash" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 Gabonese helicopter crash">Gabonese helicopter crash</a><br/> Feb 07 <a href="/wiki/2009_Manaus_Aerot%C3%A1xi_crash" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 Manaus Aerotáxi crash">Manaus Aerotáxi crash</a><br/> Feb 11 <a href="/w/index.php?title=Porthcawl_Mid-Air_Collision&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Porthcawl Mid-Air Collision (page does not exist)">Porthcawl Mid-Air Collision</a><br/> Feb 12 <i><a href="/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407" title="Colgan Air Flight 3407">Colgan Air Flight 3407</a></i><br/> Feb 25 <a href="/wiki/Turkish_Airlines_Flight_1951" title="Turkish Airlines Flight 1951">Turkish Airlines Flight 1951</a><br/> Mar 12 <a href="/wiki/Cougar_Helicopters_Flight_91" title="Cougar Helicopters Flight 91">Cougar Helicopters Flight 91</a><br/> Mar 19 <a href="/w/index.php?title=2009_Quito_B200_King_Air_crash&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2009 Quito B200 King Air crash (page does not exist)">Quito B200 King Air crash</a><br/> Mar 20 <a href="/wiki/Emirates_Flight_407" title="Emirates Flight 407">Emirates Flight 407</a><br/> Mar 22 <a href="/w/index.php?title=2009_Montana_Pilatus_PC-12_crash&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2009 Montana Pilatus PC-12 crash (page does not exist)">Montana Pilatus PC-12 crash</a><br/> Mar 23 <a href="/wiki/FedEx_Express_Flight_80" title="FedEx Express Flight 80">FedEx Express Flight 80</a><br/> Mar 25 <a href="/wiki/2009_Medair_TC-HEK_helicopter_crash" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 Medair TC-HEK helicopter crash">Medair TC-HEK helicopter crash</a><br/> Apr 01 <a href="/wiki/April_2009_North_Sea_helicopter_crash" class="mw-redirect" title="April 2009 North Sea helicopter crash">North Sea helicopter crash</a><br/> Apr 06 <a href="/wiki/2009_West_Java_airliner_crash" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 West Java airliner crash">West Java airliner crash</a><br/> Apr 17 <a href="/wiki/Mimika_Air_Flight_514" title="Mimika Air Flight 514">Mimika Air Flight 514</a><br/> Apr 19 <a href="/wiki/CanJet_Flight_918" title="CanJet Flight 918">CanJet Flight 918</a><br/> </p> </div></td><td class="navbox-list" style="border-left:2px solid #fdfdfd;padding:0px;width:33.33%;"><div> <p>May 03 <a href="/wiki/T%C3%A1chira_helicopter_crash" title="Táchira helicopter crash">Táchira helicopter crash</a><br/> May 20 <i><a href="/wiki/2009_C-130H_Hercules_crash" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 C-130H Hercules crash">C-130H Hercules crash</a></i><br/> Jun 01 <span style="font-size:120%;"><span class="smallcaps"><i><a href="/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447" title="Air France Flight 447">Air France Flight 447</a></i></span></span><br/> Jun 30 <i><a href="/wiki/Yemenia_Flight_626" title="Yemenia Flight 626">Yemenia Flight 626</a></i><br/> Jul 03 <a href="/wiki/2009_Pakistan_Army_Mil_Mi-17_crash" title="2009 Pakistan Army Mil Mi-17 crash">Pakistan Army Mil Mi-17 crash</a><br/> Jul 13 <a href="/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_2294" title="Southwest Airlines Flight 2294">Southwest Airlines Flight 2294</a><br/> Jul 15 <i><a href="/wiki/Caspian_Airlines_Flight_7908" title="Caspian Airlines Flight 7908">Caspian Airlines Flight 7908</a></i><br/> Jul 19 <a href="/w/index.php?title=2009_Afghanistan_Mil_Mi-8_crash&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2009 Afghanistan Mil Mi-8 crash (page does not exist)">Afghanistan Mil Mi-8 crash</a><br/> Jul 24 <a href="/wiki/Aria_Air_Flight_1525" title="Aria Air Flight 1525">Aria Air Flight 1525</a><br/> Aug 02 <a href="/wiki/Merpati_Nusantara_Airlines_Flight_9760" class="mw-redirect" title="Merpati Nusantara Airlines Flight 9760">Merpati Nusantara Airlines Flight 9760</a><br/> Aug 04 <a href="/wiki/Bangkok_Airways_Flight_266" title="Bangkok Airways Flight 266">Bangkok Airways Flight 266</a><br/> Aug 08 <a href="/wiki/2009_Hudson_River_mid-air_collision" title="2009 Hudson River mid-air collision">Hudson River mid-air collision</a><br/> Aug 11 <a href="/wiki/Airlines_PNG_Flight_4684" title="Airlines PNG Flight 4684">Airlines PNG Flight 4684</a><br/> Aug 16 <a href="/wiki/2009_Russia_Sukhoi_Su-27_mid-air_collision" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 Russia Sukhoi Su-27 mid-air collision">Russia Sukhoi Su-27 mid-air collision</a><br/> Aug 26 <a href="/wiki/2009_A%C3%A9ro-Fr%C3%AAt_Antonov_An-12_crash" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 Aéro-Frêt Antonov An-12 crash">Aéro-Frêt Antonov An-12 crash</a><br/> </p> </div></td><td class="navbox-list" style="border-left:2px solid #fdfdfd;padding:0px;width:33.33%;"><div> <p>Sep 02 <a href="/wiki/2009_Andhra_Pradesh_helicopter_crash" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 Andhra Pradesh helicopter crash">Andhra Pradesh helicopter crash</a><br/> Sep 04 <a href="/w/index.php?title=Air_India_Flight_829&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Air India Flight 829 (page does not exist)">Air India Flight 829</a><br/> Sep 09 <a href="/wiki/Aerom%C3%A9xico_Flight_576" title="Aeroméxico Flight 576">Aeroméxico Flight 576</a><br/> Sep 22 <a href="/wiki/2009_Iranian_Air_Force_mid-air_collision" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 Iranian Air Force mid-air collision">Iranian Air Force mid-air collision</a><br/> Sep 24 <a href="/wiki/Airlink_Flight_8911" class="mw-redirect" title="Airlink Flight 8911">Airlink Flight 8911</a><br/> Oct 21 <a href="/wiki/Azza_Transport_Flight_2241" class="mw-redirect" title="Azza Transport Flight 2241">Azza Transport Flight 2241</a><br/> Oct 21 <a href="/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_188" title="Northwest Airlines Flight 188">Northwest Airlines Flight 188</a><br/> Oct 29 <a href="/wiki/2009_California_mid-air_collision" title="2009 California mid-air collision">California mid-air collision</a><br/> Nov 01 <a href="/wiki/2009_Yakutia_Il-76_crash" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 Yakutia Il-76 crash">Yakutia Il-76 crash</a><br/> Nov 09 <a href="/w/index.php?title=2009_Kenyan_Beach_1990D_crash&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2009 Kenyan Beach 1990D crash (page does not exist)">Kenyan Beach 1990D crash</a><br/> Nov 10 <a href="/w/index.php?title=Kingfisher_Airlines_Flight_4124&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Kingfisher Airlines Flight 4124 (page does not exist)">Kingfisher Airlines Flight 4124</a><br/> Nov 12 <a href="/wiki/RwandAir_Flight_205" title="RwandAir Flight 205">RwandAir Flight 205</a><br/> <br/> [etc] </p> </div></td></tr></tbody></table></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p><br/>The date format for each entry should remain constant as MMM-dd, i.e. three-letter abbreviation for month, two-digit number for day. The italics/smallcaps system avoids the bold used on article pages. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/212.84.106.20" title="Special:Contributions/212.84.106.20">212.84.106.20</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:212.84.106.20&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:212.84.106.20 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009#c-212.84.106.20-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z-Alternative_layout" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 20 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-212.84.106.20-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z-Alternative_layout"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z","author":"212.84.106.20","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-212.84.106.20-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z-Alternative_layout","replies":["c-Mukkakukaku-2009-11-24T23:15:00.000Z-212.84.106.20-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-212.84.106.20-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z-Alternative_layout"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mukkakukaku-2009-11-24T23:15:00.000Z-212.84.106.20-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z"></span>The small caps looks <i><b>really</b></i> weird. I have to admit that I prefer the bright yellow used in the other templates. And the italics is hard to spot. The whole idea behind bold was to make it obvious which ones were very deadly. Maybe <i><b>bolded italics</b></i> instead? --<a href="/wiki/User:Mukkakukaku" title="User:Mukkakukaku"><span style="color:#006600;"><b>M</b>û<b>ĸĸ</b>â<b>ĸ</b>û<b>ĸ</b>â<b>ĸ</b>û</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009#c-Mukkakukaku-2009-11-24T23:15:00.000Z-212.84.106.20-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 24 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mukkakukaku-2009-11-24T23:15:00.000Z-212.84.106.20-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-24T23:15:00.000Z","author":"Mukkakukaku","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mukkakukaku-2009-11-24T23:15:00.000Z-212.84.106.20-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-212.84.105.10-2009-12-03T03:59:00.000Z-Mukkakukaku-2009-11-24T23:15:00.000Z"],"displayName":"M\u00fb\u0138\u0138\u00e2\u0138\u00fb\u0138\u00e2\u0138\u00fb"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mukkakukaku-2009-11-24T23:15:00.000Z-212.84.106.20-2009-11-20T22:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-212.84.105.10-2009-12-03T03:59:00.000Z-Mukkakukaku-2009-11-24T23:15:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for responding. I was trying to avoid using bold as that's used by Wikipedia when the article you're looking at matches a link in the template. But I know what you mean. How about the columns? Seems much less cluttered to me than the long wrapped list of links. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/212.84.105.10" title="Special:Contributions/212.84.105.10">212.84.105.10</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:212.84.105.10&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:212.84.105.10 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009#c-212.84.105.10-2009-12-03T03:59:00.000Z-Mukkakukaku-2009-11-24T23:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:59, 3 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-212.84.105.10-2009-12-03T03:59:00.000Z-Mukkakukaku-2009-11-24T23:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-12-03T03:59:00.000Z","author":"212.84.105.10","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-212.84.105.10-2009-12-03T03:59:00.000Z-Mukkakukaku-2009-11-24T23:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Julianhall-2009-12-06T17:33:00.000Z-212.84.105.10-2009-12-03T03:59:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-212.84.105.10-2009-12-03T03:59:00.000Z-Mukkakukaku-2009-11-24T23:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Julianhall-2009-12-06T17:33:00.000Z-212.84.105.10-2009-12-03T03:59:00.000Z"></span>Hmm, i just came here to comment that bold seemed like a strange way to highlight the crashes with 50+ fatalities, because the current article is always bold. I'd agree with <i><b>bolded italics</b></i> as an alternative. <a href="/wiki/User:Julianhall" title="User:Julianhall">Julianhall</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Julianhall" title="User talk:Julianhall">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009#c-Julianhall-2009-12-06T17:33:00.000Z-212.84.105.10-2009-12-03T03:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 6 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Julianhall-2009-12-06T17:33:00.000Z-212.84.105.10-2009-12-03T03:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-12-06T17:33:00.000Z","author":"Julianhall","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Julianhall-2009-12-06T17:33:00.000Z-212.84.105.10-2009-12-03T03:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mukkakukaku-2009-12-07T03:23:00.000Z-Julianhall-2009-12-06T17:33:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Julianhall-2009-12-06T17:33:00.000Z-212.84.105.10-2009-12-03T03:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mukkakukaku-2009-12-07T03:23:00.000Z-Julianhall-2009-12-06T17:33:00.000Z"></span>The columns are a cool idea, but really only make sense for years that have a <b>lot</b> of accidents -- like 2009. I made the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_1973" title="Template:Aviation accidents and incidents in 1973">Aviation accidents and incidents in 1973</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, for example, and that only has 11 accidents, so the columns would actually look strange since it would force white space at the edges of the banner and make it much larger than it already is. Do you see what I'm trying to say? Years with, say, 20 or more accidents, sure, columns would make it easier to find a given article. Less than 20, probably not.</dd> <dd>Re: <b>bolded</b> text. True, it's used for the current article, but honestly just <i>italics</i> by itself doesn't make something stand out, mostly because it's generally used for emphasis, so readers are trained to not see it as "jumping out" but rather an in-line sort of emphasis, so it really needs to be paired with something that makes it stand out. The best way is bolding the italics, or changing color, but having two color changes is, frankly, confusing. Small caps really just doesn't stand out, especially for people (like me) with huge monitors and text that stands about a 1/2 centimeter tall on the screen. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mukkakukaku" title="User:Mukkakukaku"><span style="color:#006600;"><b>M</b>û<b>ĸĸ</b>â<b>ĸ</b>û<b>ĸ</b>â<b>ĸ</b>û</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009#c-Mukkakukaku-2009-12-07T03:23:00.000Z-Julianhall-2009-12-06T17:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:23, 7 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mukkakukaku-2009-12-07T03:23:00.000Z-Julianhall-2009-12-06T17:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-12-07T03:23:00.000Z","author":"Mukkakukaku","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Mukkakukaku-2009-12-07T03:23:00.000Z-Julianhall-2009-12-06T17:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Julianhall-2009-12-07T12:24:00.000Z-Mukkakukaku-2009-12-07T03:23:00.000Z"],"displayName":"M\u00fb\u0138\u0138\u00e2\u0138\u00fb\u0138\u00e2\u0138\u00fb"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mukkakukaku-2009-12-07T03:23:00.000Z-Julianhall-2009-12-06T17:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Julianhall-2009-12-07T12:24:00.000Z-Mukkakukaku-2009-12-07T03:23:00.000Z"></span>So, we're in agreement about <i><b>bolded italics</b></i> then? Good.</dd> <dd>One further question, the orange colour used to highlight the deadliest incident is a different shade to the one used in the key. This is slightly confusing, does anyone know why this is? <a href="/wiki/User:Julianhall" title="User:Julianhall">Julianhall</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Julianhall" title="User talk:Julianhall">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009#c-Julianhall-2009-12-07T12:24:00.000Z-Mukkakukaku-2009-12-07T03:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:24, 7 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Julianhall-2009-12-07T12:24:00.000Z-Mukkakukaku-2009-12-07T03:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-12-07T12:24:00.000Z","author":"Julianhall","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Julianhall-2009-12-07T12:24:00.000Z-Mukkakukaku-2009-12-07T03:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Julianhall-2009-12-07T12:24:00.000Z-Mukkakukaku-2009-12-07T03:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-212.84.98.102-2010-07-08T08:50:00.000Z-Alternative_layout"></span>I've implemented something along the lines of the above, using italics for incidents resulting in more than 50 deaths and bold smallcaps for the deadliest each year. I think this is the only combination that will (1) avoid the plain-bold Wikipedia uses for any link on a page that is to the page itself, while (2) permitting a distinction between a deadliest incident involving fewer than 50 deaths (bold smallcaps only) and one that involves 50 or more (italic bold smallcaps). <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/212.84.98.102" title="Special:Contributions/212.84.98.102">212.84.98.102</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:212.84.98.102" title="User talk:212.84.98.102">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009#c-212.84.98.102-2010-07-08T08:50:00.000Z-Alternative_layout" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 8 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-212.84.98.102-2010-07-08T08:50:00.000Z-Alternative_layout"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-08T08:50:00.000Z","author":"212.84.98.102","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-212.84.98.102-2010-07-08T08:50:00.000Z-Alternative_layout","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-212.84.98.102-2010-07-08T08:50:00.000Z-Alternative_layout"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-84.109.73.22-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Netanya_R44_crash-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-84.109.73.22-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z-Netanya_R44_crash"],"text":"Netanya R44 crash","linkableTitle":"Netanya R44 crash"}--><h2 id="Netanya_R44_crash" data-mw-thread-id="h-Netanya_R44_crash-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Netanya_R44_crash-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z"></span>Netanya R44 crash<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Netanya_R44_crash-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Netanya R44 crash"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-84.109.73.22-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Netanya_R44_crash-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-84.109.73.22-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z-Netanya_R44_crash"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-84.109.73.22-2009-12-23T21:40:00.000Z-Mjroots-2009-12-23T10:10:00.000Z","timestamp":"2009-12-23T21:40:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-84.109.73.22-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Netanya_R44_crash-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-84.109.73.22-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z-Netanya_R44_crash"],"text":"Netanya R44 crash","linkableTitle":"Netanya R44 crash"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.109.73.22-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z-Netanya_R44_crash"></span>Please start an entry about the Robinson R44-Astro, callsign 4x-bdm, crashed in Netanya, Israel on 24.11.09. </p><p>4 people had died including Ran Lapid, the pilot. The most exprienced helicopter pilot in Israel. </p><p>It happened due to a terrible technical problem, and is still under investigation of the NTSB and FAA. </p><p>Thanks. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/84.109.73.22" title="Special:Contributions/84.109.73.22">84.109.73.22</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:84.109.73.22&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:84.109.73.22 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009#c-84.109.73.22-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z-Netanya_R44_crash" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:55, 19 December 2009 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84.109.73.22-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z-Netanya_R44_crash"><span 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talk:Mjroots">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009#c-Mjroots-2009-12-23T10:10:00.000Z-84.109.73.22-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:10, 23 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mjroots-2009-12-23T10:10:00.000Z-84.109.73.22-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-12-23T10:10:00.000Z","author":"Mjroots","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mjroots-2009-12-23T10:10:00.000Z-84.109.73.22-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-84.109.73.22-2009-12-23T21:40:00.000Z-Mjroots-2009-12-23T10:10:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mjroots-2009-12-23T10:10:00.000Z-84.109.73.22-2009-12-19T16:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.109.73.22-2009-12-23T21:40:00.000Z-Mjroots-2009-12-23T10:10:00.000Z"></span>It will probably lead to grounding af all R44's when investigation ends. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/84.109.73.22" title="Special:Contributions/84.109.73.22">84.109.73.22</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:84.109.73.22&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:84.109.73.22 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009#c-84.109.73.22-2009-12-23T21:40:00.000Z-Mjroots-2009-12-23T10:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 23 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84.109.73.22-2009-12-23T21:40:00.000Z-Mjroots-2009-12-23T10:10:00.000Z"><span 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data-mw-thread-id="h-Small_caps-2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Small_caps-2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z"></span>Small caps<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Small_caps-2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Small caps"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-TheGrappler-2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Small_caps-2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-TheGrappler-2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z-Small_caps"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-TheGrappler-2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z-Small_caps","timestamp":"2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-TheGrappler-2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Small_caps-2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-TheGrappler-2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z-Small_caps"],"text":"Small caps","linkableTitle":"Small caps"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheGrappler-2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z-Small_caps"></span>I'm afraid I agree with several of the original participants in the discussion that the small caps look weird to the point of unprofessional. If trying to highlight the deadliest crash, perhaps it would be better to use a typographical symbol such as "†" or "*" as is usually done on templates to highlight particular entries? <a href="/wiki/User:TheGrappler" title="User:TheGrappler">TheGrappler</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheGrappler" title="User talk:TheGrappler">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009#c-TheGrappler-2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z-Small_caps" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheGrappler-2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z-Small_caps"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z","author":"TheGrappler","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TheGrappler-2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z-Small_caps","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheGrappler-2010-09-28T13:06:00.000Z-Small_caps"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z-Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident"],"text":"Air Force One photo op incident","linkableTitle":"Air Force One photo op incident"}--><h2 id="Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident" data-mw-thread-id="h-Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z"></span>Air Force One photo op incident<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Air Force One photo op incident"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z-Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-WilliamJE-2021-01-23T21:52:00.000Z-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z","timestamp":"2021-01-23T21:52:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z-Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident"],"text":"Air Force One photo op incident","linkableTitle":"Air Force One photo op incident"}--></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z-Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:WilliamJE" title="User:WilliamJE">WilliamJE</a>:</span> - as you've removed my addition of the <a href="/wiki/Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident" title="Air Force One photo op incident">Air Force One photo op incident</a> to the template with the rationale that it "doesn't belong here", I'm invoking the <b>D</b> part of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">WP:BRD</a>. </p><p>As the template is named "Aviations accidents and incidents in 2009", the event was clearly "an aviation incident" and occurred in 2009, I believe it meets all necessary criteria to be included. I would be interested to hear why you think it does not meet the criteria for inclusion. <a href="/wiki/User:Mjroots" title="User:Mjroots">Mjroots</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mjroots" title="User talk:Mjroots">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009#c-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z-Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 23 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z-Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z","author":"Mjroots","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z-Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident","replies":["c-WilliamJE-2021-01-23T21:52:00.000Z-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z-Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WilliamJE-2021-01-23T21:52:00.000Z-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z"></span>Not an aviation accident or incident. Was the plane at risk? No! Was it investigated by the NTSB? No! I will remind you about the discussion<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft/Archive_6#List_guidelines_and_United_Express_Flight">[1]</a> we had a few years ago. Would it go on that page? No and it shouldn't go in the template either.<a href="/wiki/User:WilliamJE" title="User:WilliamJE">...William</a>, is the complaint department really on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:WilliamJE" title="User talk:WilliamJE">the roof?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2009#c-WilliamJE-2021-01-23T21:52:00.000Z-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WilliamJE-2021-01-23T21:52:00.000Z-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-23T21:52:00.000Z","author":"WilliamJE","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-WilliamJE-2021-01-23T21:52:00.000Z-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"...William"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WilliamJE-2021-01-23T21:52:00.000Z-Mjroots-2021-01-23T21:34:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.eqiad.main‐5dc468848‐966q4 Cached time: 20241125010529 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1, show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.019 seconds CPU time usage: 0.268 seconds Real time usage: 0.433 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 885/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 28506/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 785/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 12/100 Expensive parser function count: 9/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 24826/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.172/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 2401514/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 298.796 1 -total 61.85% 184.796 1 Template:WikiProject_banner_shell 34.86% 104.154 1 Template:Navbox_with_columns 30.97% 92.534 1 Template:WikiProject_Aviation 3.60% 10.764 2 Template:Resize 3.18% 9.491 1 Template:WikiProject_Disaster_management 2.75% 8.225 2 Template:Smallcaps 2.17% 6.475 2 Template:Ifsubst 2.04% 6.093 2 Template:Nobold 1.78% 5.324 1 Template:Ping --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:idhash:23485342-0!canonical and timestamp 20241125010529 and revision id 1228065212. 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