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ul,.mw-parser-output .toclimit-5 .toclevel-4 ul,.mw-parser-output .toclimit-6 .toclevel-5 ul,.mw-parser-output .toclimit-7 .toclevel-6 ul{display:none}</style><div class="toclimit-3"></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WMF_annual_planning:_How_can_we_help_more_contributors_connect_and_collaborate?" data-mw-thread-id="h-WMF_annual_planning:_How_can_we_help_more_contributors_connect_and_collaborate?-20250110202700"><span id="WMF_annual_planning:_How_can_we_help_more_contributors_connect_and_collaborate.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WMF_annual_planning:_How_can_we_help_more_contributors_connect_and_collaborate?-20250110202700"></span>WMF annual planning: How can we help more contributors connect and collaborate?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WMF_annual_planning:_How_can_we_help_more_contributors_connect_and_collaborate?-20250110202700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700-WMF_annual_planning:_How_can_we_help_more_contributors_connect_and_collaborate?"></span>Hi all - the Wikimedia Foundation is kicking off our annual planning work to prepare for next fiscal year (July 2025-June 2026). We've published a <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2025-2026/Product_%26_Technology_OKRs" class="extiw" title="metawiki:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Product & Technology OKRs">list of questions</a> to help with big-picture thinking, and I thought I'd share one of them here that you all might find interesting: We want to improve the experience of collaboration on the wikis, so it’s easier for contributors to find one another and work on projects together, whether it’s through backlog drives, edit-a-thons, WikiProjects, or even two editors working together. <b>How do you think we could help more contributors find each other, connect, and work together?</b> <a href="/wiki/User:KStineRowe_(WMF)" title="User:KStineRowe (WMF)">KStineRowe (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KStineRowe_(WMF)" title="User talk:KStineRowe (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700-WMF_annual_planning:_How_can_we_help_more_contributors_connect_and_collaborate?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 10 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700-WMF_annual_planning:_How_can_we_help_more_contributors_connect_and_collaborate?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700-WMF_annual_planning:_How_can_we_help_more_contributors_connect_and_collaborate?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-20250110225700-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:KStineRowe_(WMF)" title="User:KStineRowe (WMF)">KStineRowe (WMF)</a>, by <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_251#Wikimania_scholarships" title="User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 251">providing more funding for scholarships to Wikimania</a> and other conferences, for one thing. <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:8pt 0;padding:1px 5px;background:linear-gradient(6rad,#86c,#2b9)"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF;text-decoration:inherit;font:1em Lucida Sans">Sdkb</span></a></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Sdkb-20250110225700-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 10 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-20250110225700-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-20250110225700-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hexatekin-20250128193300-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700"></span>Anyone is invited to collaborate and provide feedback on the page, <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Neuro-inclusive_event_strategies" class="extiw" title="meta:Meta:Neuro-inclusive event strategies">Meta:Meta:Neuro-inclusive event strategies</a>. I think working on this could go a long way. <a href="/wiki/User:Hexatekin" title="User:Hexatekin">Hexatekin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hexatekin" title="User talk:Hexatekin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Hexatekin-20250128193300-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:33, 28 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hexatekin-20250128193300-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hexatekin-20250128193300-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mgjertson-20250206160600-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700"></span>I think opening up the article translation features to more people would be beneficial for collaboration between the various languages of wikipedia. I also think english wikipedia and simple english wikipedia should collaborate more, but I don't have any ideas for that specifically (other than maybe having a button to link users to a simple english version of a page if it exists) <a href="/wiki/User:Mgjertson" title="User:Mgjertson">Mgjertson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mgjertson" title="User talk:Mgjertson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Mgjertson-20250206160600-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mgjertson-20250206160600-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mgjertson-20250206160600-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanahary-20250211225100-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700"></span>I think WikiProjects could get more promotion with maybe a popup for new editors saying "talk with other editors active in this topic area here". <span style="position: relative; top: -0.5em;">꧁</span><a href="/wiki/User:Zanahary" title="User:Zanahary">Zanahary</a><span style="position: relative; top: -0.5em;">꧂</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Zanahary-20250211225100-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanahary-20250211225100-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanahary-20250211225100-KStineRowe_(WMF)-20250110202700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mrfoogles-20250225035000-Zanahary-20250211225100"></span>To me it seems like WikiProjects are mostly handy to get assistance from other people interested in a topic area / get consensus for some widespread change, but they only really work if the talk pages aren't dead. So links might help, although every article in a WikiProject's talk page already links to the project, though. <a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrfoogles" title="User talk:Mrfoogles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Mrfoogles-20250225035000-Zanahary-20250211225100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:50, 25 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mrfoogles-20250225035000-Zanahary-20250211225100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mrfoogles-20250225035000-Zanahary-20250211225100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thuvack-20250305001800-Mrfoogles-20250225035000"></span>I concur with more support to WikiProjects. These projects are invaluable to content diversity and surely there should be an effort to link these projects with both direct funding from WMF as well as other Affiliates. The synergy is obvious. — <a href="/wiki/User:Thuvack" title="User:Thuvack"><b style="color: blue;">Thuvack</b></a> | <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thuvack" title="User talk:Thuvack"><span style="color: green;">talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Thuvack-20250305001800-Mrfoogles-20250225035000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 5 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thuvack-20250305001800-Mrfoogles-20250225035000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thuvack-20250305001800-Mrfoogles-20250225035000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mrfoogles-20250313200400-Thuvack-20250305001800"></span>What would the funding be used for, and who would receive it, though? It doesn't seem like most WikiProjects always have formal leaders or much monetary needs. <a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrfoogles" title="User talk:Mrfoogles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Mrfoogles-20250313200400-Thuvack-20250305001800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 13 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mrfoogles-20250313200400-Thuvack-20250305001800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mrfoogles-20250313200400-Thuvack-20250305001800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IFried_(WMF)-20250319212400-Mrfoogles-20250313200400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Zanahary" title="User:Zanahary">Zanahary</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Thuvack" title="User:Thuvack">Thuvack</a>, thanks for bringing up WikiProjects! I work on a team at WMF that focuses on how we can improve the experience of people collaborating together on the wikis, and we have developed some tools that can help WikiProjects, as part of the <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents" class="extiw" title="mediawikiwiki:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents">CampaignEvents extension</a>. The extension is already enabled on English Wikipedia, as well as other wikis (see <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CampaignEvents/Deployment_status" class="extiw" title="metawiki:CampaignEvents/Deployment status">deployment status</a>). The extension has 3 tools: 1) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Event_Center/Registration" class="extiw" title="metawiki:Event Center/Registration">Event Registration</a> (a way to register participants & run collaborative activities on the wikis), 2) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list" class="extiw" title="metawiki:CampaignEvents/Collaboration list">Collaboration List</a> (a way to discover events and WikiProjects to join - <a href="/wiki/Special:AllEvents" title="Special:AllEvents">see example on English Wikipedia</a>), and 3) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list" class="extiw" title="metawiki:Campaigns/Foundation Product Team/Invitation list">Invitation Lists</a> (a way to find people to invite to events or WikiProjects, by identifying editors who made significant contributions to articles).</dd> <dd>We also have some current & upcoming work that can support WikiProjects, which is: 1) allowing event registration in alternative namespaces (<a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T385341" class="extiw" title="phab:T385341">T385341</a>), so that it can be used in namespaces like Wikipedia or WikiProject, if wikis want to allow it, and 2) allowing an embeddable version of the Collaboration List <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T385347" class="extiw" title="phab:T385347">(T385347</a>), so a WikiProject could have an automated "calendar" of events, filtered by the wiki(s) and topical area(s) of its interest, that could be added to any of its pages. Finally, we are in the early stages of exploring some future potential project ideas, including: 1) adding a version of the Collaboration List to the <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Growth/Personalized_first_day/Newcomer_homepage" class="extiw" title="mediawikiwiki:Growth/Personalized first day/Newcomer homepage">Newcomer Homepage</a>, so newcomers could learn about events and/or WikiProjects that may interest them (<a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T387792" class="extiw" title="phab:T387792">T387792</a>) and 2) tracking collaborative contributions through Event Registration, so that the contributions that are a part of an activity/event/project can be easily tracked on the wikis (<a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378035" class="extiw" title="phab:T378035">T378035</a>).</dd> <dd>We're continuing to develop the extension, so we're very interested in any suggestions of what to work on next and/or what could be most impactful. So, I'm wondering: Do you think the tools that are a part of the extension today could be helpful to WikiProjects? Do any of our upcoming/future project plans sound like good or bad ideas? What do you see as some of the biggest gaps related to tooling on WikiProjects, and how could we potentially help address these gaps? Thank you again for all of the ideas you already shared, and I look forward to any feedback! <a href="/wiki/User:IFried_(WMF)" title="User:IFried (WMF)">IFried (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IFried_(WMF)" title="User talk:IFried (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-IFried_(WMF)-20250319212400-Mrfoogles-20250313200400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 19 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IFried_(WMF)-20250319212400-Mrfoogles-20250313200400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IFried_(WMF)-20250319212400-Mrfoogles-20250313200400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mrfoogles-20250320024300-IFried_(WMF)-20250319212400"></span>My experience is mostly with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:URA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:URA">unreferenced articles</a> project, and their backlog drives. They could probably use a software-supported method for people to sign up for things and to invite people to things, etc., I think? Currently people just put themselves on the page with the list -- it's a bit hacked together, like a lot of things end up being.</dd> <dd>All I can think of would be to say that it's probably best to make sure events don't keep getting automatically scheduled when a WikiProject is dead, as a lot of them become -- that would probably pollute the queue.</dd> <dd>Do a lot of people actually use the Newcomer Homepage, so far? I've heard about it, but I didn't run into it when I got started editing. It would definitely be interesting if that could be used as a recruiting tool, and I think it would probably work well -- the whole point of backlog drives/etc. is to have good contained tasks -- but I didn't get the impression that the Newcomer Homepage was fully rolled out yet from the various pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrfoogles" title="User talk:Mrfoogles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Mrfoogles-20250320024300-IFried_(WMF)-20250319212400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:43, 20 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mrfoogles-20250320024300-IFried_(WMF)-20250319212400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mrfoogles-20250320024300-IFried_(WMF)-20250319212400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IFried_(WMF)-20250320223900-Mrfoogles-20250320024300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a>, thanks for the reply! Good to hear you think there's a chance that tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists could be useful to WikiProjects. Yes, like you wrote, a lot of the current solutions are hacked together, so we're hoping to provide optional alternatives for all sorts of activities (such as edit-a-thons, WikiProjects, etc), which can provide a bit more structure and ease of use.</dd> <dd>As for automatic scheduling of events: Fortunately, the Event Registration tool doesn't allow events to be automatically scheduled. An organizer needs to deliberately create an individual event page and then enable registration. Wiki admins have the powers to grant/revoke the event-organizer right (which enables users to enable event registration), if the privileges are being abused. Also, event pages are wiki pages, which can be handled in the same way as any other wiki page.</dd> <dd>As for your question about the Newcomer Homepage, which was: Do a lot of people actually use the Newcomer Homepage, so far? Here's more context: The Homepage is enabled by default for all new accounts made on Wikipedia, so it is definitely used by newcomers. It is also available to all accounts (via Preferences). While most Homepage impressions come from users with very few edits (which is expected, given the audience), about a quarter of Homepage visits comes from users with more than 100 edits. On English Wikipedia, about 47% of active editors have the Homepage enabled. You can see some recent data about impressions in <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T382046#10560682" class="extiw" title="phab:T382046">T382046#10560682</a>.</dd> <dd>So, it is good to hear that you think it could be interesting to use the Newcomer Homepage as a recruiting tool for events and/or WikiProjects. We're also really interested in exploring this idea. Thank you again for your feedback and ideas! <a href="/wiki/User:IFried_(WMF)" title="User:IFried (WMF)">IFried (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IFried_(WMF)" title="User talk:IFried (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-IFried_(WMF)-20250320223900-Mrfoogles-20250320024300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:39, 20 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IFried_(WMF)-20250320223900-Mrfoogles-20250320024300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IFried_(WMF)-20250320223900-Mrfoogles-20250320024300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mrfoogles-20250321020800-IFried_(WMF)-20250320223900"></span>No problem, interesting to hear that about the Newcomer Homepage —- I had no idea it was so widely used. <a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrfoogles" title="User talk:Mrfoogles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Mrfoogles-20250321020800-IFried_(WMF)-20250320223900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 21 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mrfoogles-20250321020800-IFried_(WMF)-20250320223900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mrfoogles-20250321020800-IFried_(WMF)-20250320223900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Kill_switch_to_delete_information_on_user_IP_and_email_addresses" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kill_switch_to_delete_information_on_user_IP_and_email_addresses-20250204071600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kill_switch_to_delete_information_on_user_IP_and_email_addresses-20250204071600"></span>Kill switch to delete information on user IP and email addresses<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kill_switch_to_delete_information_on_user_IP_and_email_addresses-20250204071600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600-Kill_switch_to_delete_information_on_user_IP_and_email_addresses"></span>WMF should have a kill switch to delete all information on the IP addresses and email addresses associated with all user accounts. If DOGE can just walk in and seize the US treasury, seize USAID, gain access to the federal payment system and potentially everyone's SSN's, etc., then there is no reason to think people couldn't just show up at the WMF some day and seize all of our user data. The WMF should have a protocol in place to rapidly delete user data should that occur. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Photos_of_Japan" title="User talk:Photos of Japan">Photos of Japan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Photos_of_Japan" title="User talk:Photos of Japan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600-Kill_switch_to_delete_information_on_user_IP_and_email_addresses" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 4 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600-Kill_switch_to_delete_information_on_user_IP_and_email_addresses"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600-Kill_switch_to_delete_information_on_user_IP_and_email_addresses"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mrfoogles-20250220182300-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600"></span>I think WMF would just say "No". DOGE is only able to do the stuff it does the federal government because it has the President, who can at least lie to people who work for him he has authority over this stuff. WMF would instead say something like "Do you have a warrant?" and suchlike. <a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrfoogles" title="User talk:Mrfoogles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Mrfoogles-20250220182300-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 20 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mrfoogles-20250220182300-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mrfoogles-20250220182300-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Photos_of_Japan-20250220183100-Mrfoogles-20250220182300"></span>Why would they care about the WMF saying "No."? They just show up to federal agencies with armed officers and waltz on in, who is going to stop them? Some office worker in the WMF, "Do you have a warrant?", bunch of armed people just walk right past them. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Photos_of_Japan" title="User talk:Photos of Japan">Photos of Japan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Photos_of_Japan" title="User talk:Photos of Japan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Photos_of_Japan-20250220183100-Mrfoogles-20250220182300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 20 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Photos_of_Japan-20250220183100-Mrfoogles-20250220182300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Photos_of_Japan-20250220183100-Mrfoogles-20250220182300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phil_Bridger-20250220185100-Photos_of_Japan-20250220183100"></span>Do you have any evidence of DOGE going in to any organisation that is not government owned? I'm no fan of Elon Musk, but I don't think he has any control over Wikipedia (much as he'd like to). <a href="/wiki/User:Phil_Bridger" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Phil Bridger">Phil Bridger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phil_Bridger" title="User talk:Phil Bridger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Phil_Bridger-20250220185100-Photos_of_Japan-20250220183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:51, 20 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phil_Bridger-20250220185100-Photos_of_Japan-20250220183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phil_Bridger-20250220185100-Photos_of_Japan-20250220183100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Photos_of_Japan-20250220191600-Phil_Bridger-20250220185100"></span>They are too busy to care about something like Wikipedia right now. They are also in the process of flushing out the Department of Justice and mass firing FBI agents to replace them with their own people. They <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/ensuring-accountability-for-all-agencies/">just released an EO</a> declaring Trump determines the authoritative legal interpretation of the law for all employees of the executive branch, and has complete supervision and control over the executive. If Trump has thousands of FBI agents that do whatever he says, then one year from now there's no reason to assume the WMF won't be subjected to some illegal raid. You prepare for problems before they happen, you don't wait for them to occur and then react to them. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Photos_of_Japan" title="User talk:Photos of Japan">Photos of Japan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Photos_of_Japan" title="User talk:Photos of Japan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Photos_of_Japan-20250220191600-Phil_Bridger-20250220185100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 20 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Photos_of_Japan-20250220191600-Phil_Bridger-20250220185100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Photos_of_Japan-20250220191600-Phil_Bridger-20250220185100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WereSpielChequers-20250221214400-Photos_of_Japan-20250220191600"></span>I think that currently both the main and backup sites are in the USA, along with the WMF and the endowment. Maybe now would be a good time to move some or all of that to countries with a greater seperation of powers between the executive and the judiciary. Or at least change the fundraising model to a more decentralised one where the money raised in each country where we have a national charity is under the control of that charity. <i><a href="/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers" title="User:WereSpielChequers"><span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:WereSpielChequers" title="User talk:WereSpielChequers"><span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span></a><span style="color:#CC5500">Chequers</span></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-WereSpielChequers-20250221214400-Photos_of_Japan-20250220191600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 21 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WereSpielChequers-20250221214400-Photos_of_Japan-20250220191600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WereSpielChequers-20250221214400-Photos_of_Japan-20250220191600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mgjertson-20250311193000-WereSpielChequers-20250221214400"></span>Yeah. Regardless of who's in charge, it's just a good idea to not keep everything in the same place. We should probably think about setting up a backup site in Europe <a href="/wiki/User:Mgjertson" title="User:Mgjertson">Mgjertson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mgjertson" title="User talk:Mgjertson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Mgjertson-20250311193000-WereSpielChequers-20250221214400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 11 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mgjertson-20250311193000-WereSpielChequers-20250221214400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mgjertson-20250311193000-WereSpielChequers-20250221214400"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand" title="Principality of Sealand"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RoySmith-20250311195000-Mgjertson-20250311193000"></span>Principality of Sealand</a> <a href="/wiki/User:RoySmith" title="User:RoySmith">RoySmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoySmith" title="User talk:RoySmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-RoySmith-20250311195000-Mgjertson-20250311193000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 11 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RoySmith-20250311195000-Mgjertson-20250311193000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RoySmith-20250311195000-Mgjertson-20250311193000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Donald_Albury-20250311212200-Mgjertson-20250311193000"></span>WP has "caching" data centers in Amsterdam and Marseille, as well as Singapore and Sao Paolo. What I don't know is how much would need to be done to move the "application" functions from the data centers in the US to one of those non-US facilities. I don't know how much protection that would provide, as the Foundation is a US registered corporation, and some European standards, such as the "right to disappear", clash with WP aims. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Donald_Albury" title="User talk:Donald Albury">Donald Albury</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Donald_Albury-20250311212200-Mgjertson-20250311193000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 11 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Donald_Albury-20250311212200-Mgjertson-20250311193000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Donald_Albury-20250311212200-Mgjertson-20250311193000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-20250305004600-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600"></span>Hey, I wanted to add my two cents. This is not really related to any recent events, but <i>is</i> about privacy and data we collect. The <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/TSP" class="extiw" title="mw:TSP">Trust and Safety Product</a> team is working on <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Trust_and_Safety_Product/Temporary_Accounts" class="extiw" title="mw:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts">Temporary Accounts</a>, something which really strengthens the logged-out editors' privacy. The feature is live on 12 wikis already, and we are expecting it to be ready for deployment everywhere (yeah, on all our wikis) later this year. You are welcome to <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Newsletter:T%26S_Product_projects" class="extiw" title="mw:Newsletter:T&S Product projects">subscribe to the newsletter</a> to keep track of our work, and to <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2025-2026/Product_%26_Technology_OKRs#Trust_&_Safety_(WE4)" class="extiw" title="m:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Product & Technology OKRs">comment on the draft plan</a> for the team's work in the next fiscal year. <a href="/wiki/User:SGrabarczuk_(WMF)" title="User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)">SGrabarczuk (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SGrabarczuk_(WMF)" title="User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-20250305004600-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:46, 5 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-20250305004600-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-20250305004600-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:SGrabarczuk_(WMF)" title="User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250305012500-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-20250305004600"></span>SGrabarczuk (WMF)</a>, this discussion was raised due to a potential concern about the privacy of logged-in users, whose accounts are not temporary. I see the draft plan includes some items on reducing abuse for logged-in users, but don't see any notes about data or privacy relating to logged-in accounts. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Chipmunkdavis-20250305012500-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-20250305004600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:25, 5 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250305012500-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-20250305004600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250305012500-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-20250305004600"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20250321040200-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600"></span>I would suggest that you follow <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a> and not demonize DOGE.</dd> <dd>As for the Kill switch, I believe (as an amateur historian) that records are important, and I believe that i think if they are getting investigated for their crimes, we should not be hiding criminals. <a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac">Thehistorianisaac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thehistorianisaac" title="User talk:Thehistorianisaac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Thehistorianisaac-20250321040200-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:02, 21 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20250321040200-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thehistorianisaac-20250321040200-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LightNightLights-20250321081600-Thehistorianisaac-20250321040200"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Editing_Wikipedia_is_not_a_crime_-_horizontal.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Editing_Wikipedia_is_not_a_crime_-_horizontal.png/250px-Editing_Wikipedia_is_not_a_crime_-_horizontal.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="57" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Editing_Wikipedia_is_not_a_crime_-_horizontal.png/330px-Editing_Wikipedia_is_not_a_crime_-_horizontal.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Editing_Wikipedia_is_not_a_crime_-_horizontal.png/500px-Editing_Wikipedia_is_not_a_crime_-_horizontal.png 2x" data-file-width="3451" data-file-height="901" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> NPOV is for articles, not talk pages. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YESPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YESPOV">You're wrong about what NPOV is.</a> The things PoJ said has sources <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.npr.org/2025/02/04/nx-s1-5285403/musks-doge-group-has-access-to-the-federal-payments-system-what-does-that-mean">[1]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5201430-judge-elon-musk-usaid/">[2]</a>. There's a picture just for what you're saying. <a href="/wiki/User:LightNightLights" title="User:LightNightLights">LightNightLights</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LightNightLights" title="User talk:LightNightLights">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/LightNightLights" title="Special:Contributions/LightNightLights">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-LightNightLights-20250321081600-Thehistorianisaac-20250321040200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:16, 21 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LightNightLights-20250321081600-Thehistorianisaac-20250321040200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LightNightLights-20250321081600-Thehistorianisaac-20250321040200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Furius-20250322014500-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600"></span>I'd be shocked if the US government doesn't hold this data already... <a href="/wiki/User:Furius" title="User:Furius">Furius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Furius" title="User talk:Furius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Furius-20250322014500-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:45, 22 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Furius-20250322014500-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Furius-20250322014500-Photos_of_Japan-20250204071600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20250322053900-Furius-20250322014500"></span>Agreed. I do suspect the CIA/FBI/NSA is monitoring recent changes. Often users part of the recent changes patrol (such as me) already are able to see what edits people make, I would be surprised if they don't monitor recent changes. Also see <a href="/wiki/Template:National_intelligence_agencies" title="Template:National intelligence agencies">Template:National Intelligence Agencies</a> for everyone who is watching us right now.(Hello my NSA Agent, how's life over there in <a href="/wiki/Fort_Meade" title="Fort Meade">Fort Meade</a>?) <a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac">Thehistorianisaac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thehistorianisaac" title="User talk:Thehistorianisaac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Thehistorianisaac-20250322053900-Furius-20250322014500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:39, 22 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20250322053900-Furius-20250322014500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thehistorianisaac-20250322053900-Furius-20250322014500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="We_want_to_buy_you_books_-_update" data-mw-thread-id="h-We_want_to_buy_you_books_-_update-20250227001200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-We_want_to_buy_you_books_-_update-20250227001200"></span>We want to buy you books - update<span data-mw-comment-end="h-We_want_to_buy_you_books_-_update-20250227001200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RAdimer-WMF-20250227001200-We_want_to_buy_you_books_-_update"></span>The next phase of discussion has started for the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#We_want_to_buy_you_books" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request">resource support pilot project</a>, building from the opening questions' responses to now try and develop the details of what the pilot will look like. Please participate at: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#Working_on_specifics" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request#Working on specifics</a>, and let me know if you have any questions :) <a href="/wiki/User:RAdimer-WMF" title="User:RAdimer-WMF">RAdimer-WMF</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RAdimer-WMF" title="User talk:RAdimer-WMF">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-RAdimer-WMF-20250227001200-We_want_to_buy_you_books_-_update" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 27 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RAdimer-WMF-20250227001200-We_want_to_buy_you_books_-_update"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RAdimer-WMF-20250227001200-We_want_to_buy_you_books_-_update"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Master_of_Hedgehogs-20250228122400-RAdimer-WMF-20250227001200"></span>Without context, this just sounds like the Wikimedia Foundation will buy you random books. What if they gave you a random slice of the World Book encyclopedia??? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Master_of_Hedgehogs" title="User:The Master of Hedgehogs">The Master of Hedgehogs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Master_of_Hedgehogs" title="User talk:The Master of Hedgehogs">talk</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Master_of_Hedgehogs" title="Special:Contributions/The Master of Hedgehogs">contributions</a>) (<a href="/wiki/User:The_Master_of_Hedgehogs/Guestbook" title="User:The Master of Hedgehogs/Guestbook">Sign my guestbook!</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-The_Master_of_Hedgehogs-20250228122400-RAdimer-WMF-20250227001200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:24, 28 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Master_of_Hedgehogs-20250228122400-RAdimer-WMF-20250227001200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Master_of_Hedgehogs-20250228122400-RAdimer-WMF-20250227001200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20250228231100-The_Master_of_Hedgehogs-20250228122400"></span>I think the idea is to buy books that are requested at places like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RX" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RX">WP:RX</a> but are not easy to obtain. I think this idea was first proposed on a talk page somewhere during a discussion about non-ideal ways the WMF was spending their money and what they should be spending it on instead. I'm actually quite happy to see that the WMF took the idea seriously and is trying to meet volunteers in the middle by listening to their ideas and turning them into an actionable program. Full credit to WMF for trying this out. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Novem_Linguae-20250228231100-The_Master_of_Hedgehogs-20250228122400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 28 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20250228231100-The_Master_of_Hedgehogs-20250228122400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20250228231100-The_Master_of_Hedgehogs-20250228122400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Master_of_Hedgehogs-20250301111800-Novem_Linguae-20250228231100"></span>That makes sense. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Master_of_Hedgehogs" title="User:The Master of Hedgehogs">The Master of Hedgehogs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Master_of_Hedgehogs" title="User talk:The Master of Hedgehogs">talk</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Master_of_Hedgehogs" title="Special:Contributions/The Master of Hedgehogs">contributions</a>) (<a href="/wiki/User:The_Master_of_Hedgehogs/Guestbook" title="User:The Master of Hedgehogs/Guestbook">Sign my guestbook!</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-The_Master_of_Hedgehogs-20250301111800-Novem_Linguae-20250228231100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:18, 1 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Master_of_Hedgehogs-20250301111800-Novem_Linguae-20250228231100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Master_of_Hedgehogs-20250301111800-Novem_Linguae-20250228231100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Annick_green-20250307175400-RAdimer-WMF-20250227001200"></span>Sounds amazing, so how that works? Can this come to Rwanda? <a href="/wiki/User:Annick_green" title="User:Annick green">Annick green</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Annick_green" title="User talk:Annick green">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Annick_green-20250307175400-RAdimer-WMF-20250227001200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 7 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Annick_green-20250307175400-RAdimer-WMF-20250227001200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Annick_green-20250307175400-RAdimer-WMF-20250227001200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RAdimer-WMF-20250311183800-Annick_green-20250307175400"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Annick_green" title="User:Annick green">Annick green</a>! There's a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#Geography" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request">subsection on geography</a> that answers some of these questions – in short, it will depend on the resource being requested. <a href="/wiki/User:RAdimer-WMF" title="User:RAdimer-WMF">RAdimer-WMF</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RAdimer-WMF" title="User talk:RAdimer-WMF">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-RAdimer-WMF-20250311183800-Annick_green-20250307175400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 11 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RAdimer-WMF-20250311183800-Annick_green-20250307175400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RAdimer-WMF-20250311183800-Annick_green-20250307175400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RAdimer-WMF-20250325162700-RAdimer-WMF-20250227001200"></span>Noting that the final phase of this discussion has started, please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#Next_steps" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request#Next steps</a>. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:RAdimer-WMF" title="User:RAdimer-WMF">RAdimer-WMF</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RAdimer-WMF" title="User talk:RAdimer-WMF">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-RAdimer-WMF-20250325162700-RAdimer-WMF-20250227001200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:27, 25 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RAdimer-WMF-20250325162700-RAdimer-WMF-20250227001200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RAdimer-WMF-20250325162700-RAdimer-WMF-20250227001200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikilinking_to_Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikilinking_to_Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation-20250310041700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikilinking_to_Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation-20250310041700"></span>Wikilinking to <a href="/wiki/Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation" title="Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation">Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikilinking_to_Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation-20250310041700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700-Wikilinking_to_Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation"></span>Recently an editor removed wikilinks to <a href="/wiki/Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation" title="Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation">Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation</a> from many articles. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Litigation_involving_the_Wikimedia_Foundation&curid=34147109&diff=1279702657&oldid=1277062549">[3]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Censorship_of_Wikipedia&curid=30511364&diff=1279702759&oldid=1274797248">[4]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_in_India&curid=61571370&diff=1279702840&oldid=1277080408">[5]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Asian_News_International&curid=8646596&diff=1279703020&oldid=1276816782">[6]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manmohan_(judge)&curid=78044223&diff=1279703113&oldid=1276537515">[7]</a> What are our thoughts on if we should or should not wikilink to the article <a href="/wiki/Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation" title="Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation">Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation</a>? I am inclined to keep these links and have <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery/Archive_25#Removing_wikilinks" title="User talk:Pppery/Archive 25">said so before</a>, but would appreciate hearing some other thoughts. cc <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">Pppery</a>. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700-Wikilinking_to_Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:17, 10 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700-Wikilinking_to_Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700-Wikilinking_to_Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DotesConks-20250310042400-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae">Novem Linguae</a> All wikilinks to the article <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">ANI</a> v. <a href="/wiki/WMF" class="mw-disambig" title="WMF">WMF</a> should be removed as the article isn't even an article. Its just a template saying "Asian News International is trying to censor Wikipedia for simply telling the truth". <a href="/wiki/User:DotesConks" title="User:DotesConks">DotesConks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DotesConks" title="User talk:DotesConks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-DotesConks-20250310042400-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:24, 10 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DotesConks-20250310042400-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DotesConks-20250310042400-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700"></span></dd> <dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-20250310042700-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" title="Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a>)</small> My comment there: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>I think it's better we try to heal into a self-consistent state involving that article not existing, rather than deliberately sending people to the memory hole. Reverts are cheap, so when it comes back it won't be hard to revert my edits. I likewise would prefer that the article on the individual case be a redirect to an appropriate section rather than a visible sore (assuming that's legally allowed). I totally get the other viewpoint, though. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub></a> 15:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</p></blockquote> <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> Rephrased, I don't think it's appropriate to have a link that looks like it's going to point to something, but instead points to nothing. The only information the link conveys is that the WMF has blocked access to the article. In all of those cases the article still says that later in the same paragraph, so the link is redundant. I was inspired to do this now (after having been previously reverted in October) because months later I think the case for doing this is stronger than it was back them when things were still in flux. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Pppery-20250310042700-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:27, 10 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-20250310042700-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-20250310042700-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250310043000-Pppery-20250310042700"></span>(edit conflicted but applicable here too) If that is the consensus, is there a <a href="/wiki/Template:Ill" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ill">Template:ill</a> type solution that could hide the wikilink if that is the case? Usually for pages with possibility redlinks mean there is not a need to redo all links if a page is created, however in this case there the wikilink removal is creating future work that would involve tracking down prior links as well as reverting. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Chipmunkdavis-20250310043000-Pppery-20250310042700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 10 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250310043000-Pppery-20250310042700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250310043000-Pppery-20250310042700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-20250310070200-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700"></span>I'd prefer that we retain the links. The situation has already forced us to make extraordinary against-encyclopedic-interests changes, and modifying other articles as well would be an unforced deepening of the wound. Links, even when not clicked, reveal information to readers about e.g. which topics are notable enough to merit coverage. Removing them would send the false message that we don't consider the topic notable. This is also analogous to the situation with red links for notable topics, which we retain despite them not leading to information, so I don't find the "links need to lead to info" argument above persuasive. Lastly, reverts aren't the most expensive change, but they do take some work, especially once an article has evolved around them (e.g. by providing more context when a link is absent or by adjusting <a href="/wiki/MOS:SOB" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:SOB">MOS:SOB</a> workarounds). Keeping the links takes the longer-term view, in which the article will eventually go up again and we won't have to reintegrate it into the rest of the encyclopedia. <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:8pt 0;padding:1px 5px;background:linear-gradient(6rad,#86c,#2b9)"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF;text-decoration:inherit;font:1em Lucida Sans">Sdkb</span></a></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Sdkb-20250310070200-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:02, 10 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-20250310070200-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-20250310070200-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CX_Zoom-20250310084000-Sdkb-20250310070200"></span>I agree with the idea that links should be retained, unless there is any legal compulsion against it. <span class="nowrap">—<b><a href="/wiki/User:CX_Zoom" title="User:CX Zoom">CX Zoom</a></b>[he/him]</span> <sup class="nowrap">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CX_Zoom" title="User talk:CX Zoom">let's talk</a> • {<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CX_Zoom" title="Special:Contributions/CX Zoom">C</a>•<a href="/wiki/User:CX_Zoom/X" title="User:CX Zoom/X">X</a>})</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-CX_Zoom-20250310084000-Sdkb-20250310070200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:40, 10 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CX_Zoom-20250310084000-Sdkb-20250310070200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CX_Zoom-20250310084000-Sdkb-20250310070200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250310123200-Sdkb-20250310070200"></span>Sdkb makes sense to me. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250310123200-Sdkb-20250310070200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:32, 10 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250310123200-Sdkb-20250310070200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250310123200-Sdkb-20250310070200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-20250310125900-Sdkb-20250310070200"></span>I came in here with no strong opinion, but I think Sdkb makes a good point that the links, even to a removed topic, are valuable information. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Valereee-20250310125900-Sdkb-20250310070200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:59, 10 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-20250310125900-Sdkb-20250310070200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-20250310125900-Sdkb-20250310070200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Certes-20250321084500-Sdkb-20250310070200"></span>Keep the links. Our practice is to wikilink notable topics on which we have no article. These links may be red (for logged-in editors) or may redirect to a related topic such as a list entry. In this unique case, the link is to a page documenting the WMF's redaction but the principle remains valid: if the topic is notable, we link to whatever we have. <a href="/wiki/User:Certes" title="User:Certes">Certes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Certes" title="User talk:Certes">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Certes-20250321084500-Sdkb-20250310070200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:45, 21 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Certes-20250321084500-Sdkb-20250310070200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Certes-20250321084500-Sdkb-20250310070200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20250311114800-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700"></span>I see a rough consensus to restore the wikilinks. Any objections before I go making edits? –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Novem_Linguae-20250311114800-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:48, 11 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20250311114800-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20250311114800-Novem_Linguae-20250310041700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20250313060800-Novem_Linguae-20250311114800"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></span></span><b> Done</b></span> –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Novem_Linguae-20250313060800-Novem_Linguae-20250311114800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:08, 13 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20250313060800-Novem_Linguae-20250311114800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20250313060800-Novem_Linguae-20250311114800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Status" data-mw-thread-id="h-Status-Wikilinking_to_Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation-20250313083700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Status-Wikilinking_to_Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation-20250313083700"></span>Status<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Status-Wikilinking_to_Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation-20250313083700"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tazerdadog-20250313083700-Status"></span>While we're all here, can we get an update on the case itself? Is there a time estimate on when the page could be made available again? Are the editors out of legal risk? Is this case going to lead to risks of other articles going down and/or restricted availability in India? <a href="/wiki/User:Tazerdadog" title="User:Tazerdadog">Tazerdadog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tazerdadog" title="User talk:Tazerdadog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Tazerdadog-20250313083700-Status" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:37, 13 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tazerdadog-20250313083700-Status"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tazerdadog-20250313083700-Status"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grnrchst-20250316200900-Tazerdadog-20250313083700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tazerdadog" title="User:Tazerdadog">Tazerdadog</a>: There's been some updates over at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANIVWF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANIVWF">WP:ANIVWF</a>, and you can follow the court case directly <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://delhihighcourt.nic.in/court/judegment_orders?pno=1220662">here</a>. Most recent update is that the WMF has appealed for the plaint to be rejected; the editors' details were disclosed to the court under a sealed cover and they have been served with a summons, but no affidavit has been filed by them and nobody has appeared in court on their behalf. There haven't been any real proceedings since this update as the presiding officer was on leave. Unfortunately I can't answer the rest of your questions, as it all depends on how the court case proceeds. --<a href="/wiki/User:Grnrchst" title="User:Grnrchst">Grnrchst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grnrchst" title="User talk:Grnrchst">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Grnrchst-20250316200900-Tazerdadog-20250313083700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 16 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grnrchst-20250316200900-Tazerdadog-20250313083700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grnrchst-20250316200900-Tazerdadog-20250313083700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250317152600-Tazerdadog-20250313083700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tazerdadog" title="User:Tazerdadog">Tazerdadog</a> Recent coverage: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://bestmediainfo.com/mediainfo/mediainfo-digital/ani-vs-wikipedia-supreme-court-questions-delhi-hc-over-wikipedia-page-takedown-order-8862544">ANI vs Wikipedia: Supreme Court questions Delhi HC over Wikipedia page takedown order</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250317152600-Tazerdadog-20250313083700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:26, 17 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250317152600-Tazerdadog-20250313083700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250317152600-Tazerdadog-20250313083700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What's_up_with_the_YouTube_channel?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What's_up_with_the_YouTube_channel?-20250313153800"><span id="What.27s_up_with_the_YouTube_channel.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What's_up_with_the_YouTube_channel?-20250313153800"></span>What's up with the YouTube channel?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What's_up_with_the_YouTube_channel?-20250313153800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mgjertson-20250313153800-What's_up_with_the_YouTube_channel?"></span>I was recommended a short from what seems to be the WMFs official youtube channel. It was basically an AI narration of a wikipedia pages lead with relatedish images lifted from the commons. Is this actually the Wikimedia foundations youtube channel? I find it hard to believe we'd make AI generated voiceovers and link to articles via <a href="/wiki/Linktree" title="Linktree">Linktree</a> but the account also says it's from 2007. Is this an experiment or something? <a href="/wiki/User:Mgjertson" title="User:Mgjertson"><span style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 10px #d7827e"><span style="color: #ebbcba">mgjertson</span></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mgjertson" title="User talk:Mgjertson">talk</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mgjertson" title="Special:Contributions/Mgjertson">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Mgjertson-20250313153800-What's_up_with_the_YouTube_channel?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 13 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mgjertson-20250313153800-What's_up_with_the_YouTube_channel?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mgjertson-20250313153800-What's_up_with_the_YouTube_channel?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-20250313160400-Mgjertson-20250313153800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mgjertson" title="User:Mgjertson">Mgjertson</a>, can you provide a link to the short? I do know the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Future_Audiences" class="extiw" title="meta:Future Audiences">Future Audiences</a> team at the Foundation <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Future_Audiences/Experiments:_engaging_global_youth_on_social_apps" class="extiw" title="meta:Future Audiences/Experiments: engaging global youth on social apps">has been experimenting</a> with some AI-generated short video versions of articles — the idea is to see if it's possible to make such auto-generated videos engaging, which could open up new audiences. <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:8pt 0;padding:1px 5px;background:linear-gradient(6rad,#86c,#2b9)"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF;text-decoration:inherit;font:1em Lucida Sans">Sdkb</span></a></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Sdkb-20250313160400-Mgjertson-20250313153800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 13 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-20250313160400-Mgjertson-20250313153800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-20250313160400-Mgjertson-20250313153800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johan_(WMF)-20250313203400-Sdkb-20250313160400"></span>Hey <a href="/wiki/User:Mgjertson" title="User:Mgjertson">Mgjertson</a>, thanks for asking. As <a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb">Sdkb</a> mentions above, the Future Audiences team has been trying to see if this is a way we can get people who otherwise do not engage with encyclopedias to be aware of what Wikipedia is and that information they come across actually come from us, but repackaged, to create pathways for people to read the wiki, become editors and so on. You can find the rationale for this experiment linked above, and more information at <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Future_Audiences/Generated_Video" class="extiw" title="m:Future Audiences/Generated Video">m:Future Audiences/Generated Video</a>. Also see this discussion from last year: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_201#Future_Audiences_call_–_inspiration_from_DYK_to_create_videos" title="Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 201">Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 201#Future Audiences call – inspiration from DYK to create videos</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Johan_(WMF)" title="User:Johan (WMF)">Johan (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johan_(WMF)" title="User talk:Johan (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Johan_(WMF)-20250313203400-Sdkb-20250313160400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 13 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johan_(WMF)-20250313203400-Sdkb-20250313160400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johan_(WMF)-20250313203400-Sdkb-20250313160400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250314034600-Johan_(WMF)-20250313203400"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Johan_(WMF)" title="User:Johan (WMF)">Johan (WMF)</a>, <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Future_Audiences/Generated_Video" class="extiw" title="m:Future Audiences/Generated Video">m:Future Audiences/Generated Video</a> raises the question "Is there a risk of damaging Wikipedia’s brand or enriching a non-free company’s brand by publishing content on TikTok?", and discusses this further at various points. However, it does not discuss the seemingly far more crucial question of considerations for the brand of directly associating it with AI-generated content. If you're trying to lead editors to Wikipedia, linking it to the suggestion it might be AI-generated is probably not a productive way towards that. If the trade-off does not lean that way that would be good to know, but it's surprising to see it just not even mentioned when there seems to be considerable effort made to manage concerns about TikTok. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Chipmunkdavis-20250314034600-Johan_(WMF)-20250313203400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:46, 14 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250314034600-Johan_(WMF)-20250313203400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250314034600-Johan_(WMF)-20250313203400"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johan_(WMF)-20250314154100-Chipmunkdavis-20250314034600"></span>Chipmunkdavis</a>: For clarity, I want to stress that the content isn't generated by an AI. The content is coming from Wikipedia articles. The AI usage here is as a packaging tool with human oversight. Damian, who is the PM for the Future Audiences experiments, will give a longer answer. <a href="/wiki/User:Johan_(WMF)" title="User:Johan (WMF)">Johan (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johan_(WMF)" title="User talk:Johan (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Johan_(WMF)-20250314154100-Chipmunkdavis-20250314034600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 14 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johan_(WMF)-20250314154100-Chipmunkdavis-20250314034600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johan_(WMF)-20250314154100-Chipmunkdavis-20250314034600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mrfoogles-20250320024400-Chipmunkdavis-20250314034600"></span>I feel like it's mostly fine as long as the actual text is not AI-generated -- text-to-speech is not the same thing as ChatGPT, really. <a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrfoogles" title="User talk:Mrfoogles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Mrfoogles-20250320024400-Chipmunkdavis-20250314034600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 20 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mrfoogles-20250320024400-Chipmunkdavis-20250314034600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mrfoogles-20250320024400-Chipmunkdavis-20250314034600"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JPxG-20250314112800-Johan_(WMF)-20250313203400"></span>As far as I can tell, AI stuff is currently the center of a very large amount of political contention, and moreover (not wholly unrelatedly) considered highly uncool by teens/etc. <b style="font-family:monospace;color:#E35BD8"><a href="/wiki/User:JPxG" title="User:JPxG"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b></a>×<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JPxG" title="Special:Contributions/JPxG"><b style="color: #029D74">g</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JPxG" title="User talk:JPxG">🗯️</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-JPxG-20250314112800-Johan_(WMF)-20250313203400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:28, 14 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JPxG-20250314112800-Johan_(WMF)-20250313203400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JPxG-20250314112800-Johan_(WMF)-20250313203400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250316151500-JPxG-20250314112800"></span>AI narration not necessarily (cf these AI-narrated Reddit threads someone showed me once), but it does feel a bit weird for WP's image. <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu"><span class="skin-invert" style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Aaron_Liu-20250316151500-JPxG-20250314112800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 16 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250316151500-JPxG-20250314112800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Liu-20250316151500-JPxG-20250314112800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thebiguglyalien-20250314045700-Sdkb-20250313160400"></span>If we have to choose between <i>opening up to new audiences</i> and <i>not making AI-generated videos</i>, I choose the latter. <a href="/wiki/User:Thebiguglyalien" title="User:Thebiguglyalien"><span style="color:#487d30">Thebiguglyalien</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thebiguglyalien" title="User talk:Thebiguglyalien"><span style="color:#714e2a">talk</span></a>) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thebiguglyalien" title="Special:Contributions/Thebiguglyalien">🛸</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Thebiguglyalien-20250314045700-Sdkb-20250313160400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:57, 14 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thebiguglyalien-20250314045700-Sdkb-20250313160400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thebiguglyalien-20250314045700-Sdkb-20250313160400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPinchuk_(WMF)-20250315144600-Mgjertson-20250313153800"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Mgjertson" title="User:Mgjertson">Mgjertson</a> – Maryana from the WMF Future Audiences team here (h/t for the tag-in @<a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb">Sdkb</a>). As @<a href="/wiki/User:Johan_(WMF)" title="User:Johan (WMF)">Johan (WMF)</a> mentioned, we're creating these short videos using Wikipedia content to see if we can reach new audiences that don't know about or visit Wikipedia today. We know from global surveys that today's 18-24-year olds are the least aware of or inclined to visit Wikipedia of all the age groups we survey, but they love learning on platforms like TikTok and YouTube Shorts. So if we want to introduce this generation to Wikipedia, we're going to have to do it on the platforms they spend a lot of time on.</dd> <dd>The videos you're seeing are our first lightweight steps to seed the short video space and see which topics work and which don't. We've managed to get a few viral moments (interestingly, @<a href="/wiki/User:Dumelow" title="User:Dumelow">Dumelow</a>'s DYKs have been some of our best performers! This is some DYK magic that we're studying and trying to replicate <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48" /></span></span></abbr>), and have gotten millions of views and thousands of likes, comments, and new followers on our accounts since the start of this experiment last fall. In addition to learning and continuing to build up an audience on these channels, we want to invite Wikipedians and anyone who wants to make their own fun-fact/explainer video content to join us and participate in these channels. We'll have some videos made by communities appearing on these channels soon, so stay tuned!</dd> <dd>Also, a little more detail on how this set of videos has been made to date: we start by handpicking either existing DYKs curated by the community or other topical/relevant-to-younger-audiences topics. We then use an AI-powered tool to summarize the text and images associated with the article into a short 30ish-second video and add an AI voiceover, and then get human review/editing on the text and images to make sure they're accurate. The AI tool and narration saves us some production time (which helps us learn more efficiently by allowing us to put out more content and understand how a broader range of topics perform), but it's still a pretty human/manual content creation process. It's true that AI has a certain stigma to it, which we're closely monitoring and collecting feedback on. Though we haven't seen a signal that AI is creating any major risk or pushback (e.g., we're growing followers on these channels, not losing them), our strong hunch is that once we start posting community videos that feature humans and are narrated by humans, they'll perform much better than this initial batch. But like I said, these AI-assisted videos were a way for us to get the ball rolling & start learning quickly/efficiently.</dd> <dd>If you have any more questions, my colleague @<a href="/wiki/User:DLin-WMF" title="User:DLin-WMF">DLin-WMF</a> is happy to answer them! He has recently joined the Future Audiences team to lead this and other experiments, and he ran into some posting permissions issues because his WMF account is so new, so Johan & I jumped in here to help out in the meantime. <a href="/wiki/User:MPinchuk_(WMF)" title="User:MPinchuk (WMF)">Maryana Pinchuk (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPinchuk_(WMF)" title="User talk:MPinchuk (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-MPinchuk_(WMF)-20250315144600-Mgjertson-20250313153800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 15 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPinchuk_(WMF)-20250315144600-Mgjertson-20250313153800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPinchuk_(WMF)-20250315144600-Mgjertson-20250313153800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cremastra-20250315223500-MPinchuk_(WMF)-20250315144600"></span>Wikipedia is fairly ubiquitous (yay!). I don't think we need to be explicitly trying to "introduce" teens to Wikipedia, because the majority already know about and probably use it sometimes. Some of them even edit it. <a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">Cremastra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Cremastra-20250315223500-MPinchuk_(WMF)-20250315144600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 15 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20250315223500-MPinchuk_(WMF)-20250315144600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cremastra-20250315223500-MPinchuk_(WMF)-20250315144600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-20250316042500-Cremastra-20250315223500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">Cremastra</a>, here's <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Brand_Health_Tracker_-_Wave_5.pdf&page=49">a link</a> to the survey data Maryana mentioned. It shows that most teens are aware of it, yes, but they're less aware of it and use it less than older groups, so there's a concerning trend. Also keep in mind that this is global data, and Wikipedia may not be as ubiquitous in other communities as it is in yours. <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:8pt 0;padding:1px 5px;background:linear-gradient(6rad,#86c,#2b9)"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF;text-decoration:inherit;font:1em Lucida Sans">Sdkb</span></a></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Sdkb-20250316042500-Cremastra-20250315223500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 16 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-20250316042500-Cremastra-20250315223500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-20250316042500-Cremastra-20250315223500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cremastra-20250316143800-Sdkb-20250316042500"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">Also keep in mind that this is global data</q> fair point. <a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">Cremastra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Cremastra-20250316143800-Sdkb-20250316042500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20250316143800-Sdkb-20250316042500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cremastra-20250316143800-Sdkb-20250316042500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPinchuk_(WMF)-20250317142500-Sdkb-20250316042500"></span>Yes, and: awareness doesn't necessarily equate to positive sentiment or usage. 18-24-year-olds have also been reporting the lowest <a href="/wiki/Net_promoter_score" title="Net promoter score">net promoter score</a> of Wikipedia of any generation we survey (NPS measures "would you recommend Wikipedia to a friend?", which is a way to get a sense of people's sentiment towards a product or service). This indicates that some young people may be aware of Wikipedia because e.g. a teacher told them about it and told them not to use it (so they don't), or because they saw someone on social media talking about how terrible and biased it is (which unfortunately is also growing more common), etc. <a href="/wiki/User:MPinchuk_(WMF)" title="User:MPinchuk (WMF)">Maryana Pinchuk (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPinchuk_(WMF)" title="User talk:MPinchuk (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-MPinchuk_(WMF)-20250317142500-Sdkb-20250316042500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 17 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPinchuk_(WMF)-20250317142500-Sdkb-20250316042500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPinchuk_(WMF)-20250317142500-Sdkb-20250316042500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JPxG-20250316091500-MPinchuk_(WMF)-20250315144600"></span>Surely some of us on here with radio voices could pitch in to do voiceovers, if they are very short? <b style="font-family:monospace;color:#E35BD8"><a href="/wiki/User:JPxG" title="User:JPxG"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b></a>×<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JPxG" title="Special:Contributions/JPxG"><b style="color: #029D74">g</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JPxG" title="User talk:JPxG">🗯️</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-JPxG-20250316091500-MPinchuk_(WMF)-20250315144600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 16 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JPxG-20250316091500-MPinchuk_(WMF)-20250315144600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JPxG-20250316091500-MPinchuk_(WMF)-20250315144600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-20250317145700-Mgjertson-20250313153800"></span>"The videos you're seeing are our first lightweight steps to seed the short video space and see which topics work and which don't. We've managed to get a few viral moments (interestingly, @Dumelow's DYKs have been some of our best performers! This is some DYK magic that we're studying and trying to replicate ), and have gotten millions of views and thousands of likes, comments, and new followers on our accounts since the start of this experiment last fall." Where would this be? At the "official channel for Wikipedia and other Wikimedia products", when I rank the video's<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.youtube.com/@wikipedia/videos">[8]</a> by popularity^, all the popular ones are at least 5 years old. Looking at the latest, there are from the last 12 months 2 video's which barely make 1K views, the remainder is less popular. Or do you mean the "shorts"? <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.youtube.com/@wikipedia/shorts">[9]</a> There is one with 2.8K views, 2 others which just get 1K views, and all others get less than that. So where can I find these video's created since "last fall" which have amassed these millions of views? <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Fram-20250317145700-Mgjertson-20250313153800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 17 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-20250317145700-Mgjertson-20250313153800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-20250317145700-Mgjertson-20250313153800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250317162800-Fram-20250317145700"></span>Shorts plus TikTok is my understanding. <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu"><span class="skin-invert" style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Aaron_Liu-20250317162800-Fram-20250317145700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 17 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250317162800-Fram-20250317145700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Liu-20250317162800-Fram-20250317145700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-20250317165600-Aaron_Liu-20250317162800"></span>Ah, so not the Youtube channel... <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Fram-20250317165600-Aaron_Liu-20250317162800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 17 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-20250317165600-Aaron_Liu-20250317162800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-20250317165600-Aaron_Liu-20250317162800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250317170000-Fram-20250317165600"></span>They mirror the same content, and evidently nearly nobody in this thread uses TikTok, therefore Jertson discovered this content through YouTube (Shorts) instead. <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu"><span class="skin-invert" style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Aaron_Liu-20250317170000-Fram-20250317165600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 17 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250317170000-Fram-20250317165600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Liu-20250317170000-Fram-20250317165600"></span> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.tiktok.com/@wikipedia?lang=en"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318023300-Aaron_Liu-20250317170000"></span>This page</a> I assume? Clicking "Popular" doesn't actually sort by popularity, but at least for me it shows the flat roof pub video near the top with 234.4K views. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318023300-Aaron_Liu-20250317170000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:33, 18 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318023300-Aaron_Liu-20250317170000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318023300-Aaron_Liu-20250317170000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318023500-Chipmunkdavis-20250318023300"></span>"Did you know that most people in North Korea cannot afford pizza?" seems a bit heartless for a specifically made official video. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318023500-Chipmunkdavis-20250318023300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:35, 18 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318023500-Chipmunkdavis-20250318023300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318023500-Chipmunkdavis-20250318023300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318023600-Chipmunkdavis-20250318023500"></span>Hey, 'twas hearty 'nuff for DYK on the front page. <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu"><span class="skin-invert" style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Aaron_Liu-20250318023600-Chipmunkdavis-20250318023500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:36, 18 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318023600-Chipmunkdavis-20250318023500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318023600-Chipmunkdavis-20250318023500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318024100-Aaron_Liu-20250318023600"></span>DYK is a fast-moving process where most hooks only get seen by a few people. It has redundancies in place, but it isn't perfect and shouldn't be assumed to be. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318024100-Aaron_Liu-20250318023600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:41, 18 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318024100-Aaron_Liu-20250318023600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318024100-Aaron_Liu-20250318023600"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Pizza_in_North_Korea" title="Pizza in North Korea"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318024300-Chipmunkdavis-20250318024100"></span>Pizza in North Korea</a> received 54k views as a result of its DYK day as opposed to 100 a week later. Meanwhile the TikTok short was published months later and only received 4.4k views. <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu"><span class="skin-invert" style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Aaron_Liu-20250318024300-Chipmunkdavis-20250318024100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:43, 18 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318024300-Chipmunkdavis-20250318024100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318024300-Chipmunkdavis-20250318024100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318025200-Aaron_Liu-20250318024300"></span>That a hook got viewed isn't relevant to my point about DYK. On the aside though, I don't have an issue with the Pizza in North Korea article, which has the relevant text in context. Nor is the DYK still on the mainpage (buried on the talkpage and in archives), whereas that TikTok was one of the first things I saw when looking at the Wikipedia (that's us!) TikTok account. If you think it is good for an official Wikipedia platform to prominently host "Did you know North Koreans are poor" as an interesting fact, please say that rather than discussing the foibles of DYK. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318025200-Aaron_Liu-20250318024300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:52, 18 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318025200-Aaron_Liu-20250318024300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318025200-Aaron_Liu-20250318024300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318120100-Chipmunkdavis-20250318025200"></span>How is it irrelevant? If the hook got 54k clicks from being on the main page, how is that only "seen by a few people"? Way more people got an impression of Wikipedia from this main page hook just during its that one day while only 4.4k got the impression from an AI-generated TikTok short.<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237805129" /><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>If you think it is good for an official Wikipedia platform to prominently host "Did you know North Koreans are poor" as an interesting fact</p></blockquote>That's what we already have as DYK? Nobody opposed the hook on Wikipedia or in the TikTok comments. <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu"><span class="skin-invert" style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Aaron_Liu-20250318120100-Chipmunkdavis-20250318025200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 18 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318120100-Chipmunkdavis-20250318025200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318120100-Chipmunkdavis-20250318025200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318142600-Aaron_Liu-20250318120100"></span>As I said above, DYK isn't perfect, and so because DYK did something does not make it perfect. "Seen by a few people" referred to the DYK review process, where hooks are seen by 1) the nominator, 2) the initial reviewer, 3) the prepper, 4) the queuer. Likely it'll get seen by a handful more who aren't engaged directly with it, and then a few editors check things for ERRORS, but yes, it's a few people. I'm not asking for what people have done on DYK and TikTok, I am asking for you to state your views, because it is unclear why you have decided to extend this discussion without commenting on the core subject matter that I raised in a very brief note. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318142600-Aaron_Liu-20250318120100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 18 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318142600-Aaron_Liu-20250318120100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318142600-Aaron_Liu-20250318120100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318150700-Chipmunkdavis-20250318142600"></span>I don't think it's a problem, and the handful of DYK people (way more than the one person that is you) did not find it a problem. <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu"><span class="skin-invert" style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Aaron_Liu-20250318150700-Chipmunkdavis-20250318142600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 18 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318150700-Chipmunkdavis-20250318142600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318150700-Chipmunkdavis-20250318142600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318160200-Aaron_Liu-20250318150700"></span>Perhaps explain why, rather than again pointing to the DYK process? It would be good to know. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318160200-Aaron_Liu-20250318150700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 18 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318160200-Aaron_Liu-20250318150700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318160200-Aaron_Liu-20250318150700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318163000-Chipmunkdavis-20250318160200"></span>I just don't see anything that heartless about it. It's not much more heartless than say <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704" /><q class="inline-quote-talk">when the Brighton Town Commissioners wanted to build <b><a href="/wiki/Queen%27s_Road,_Brighton" title="Queen's Road, Brighton">Queen's Road</a></b> through a slum district, they invited all the residents to a festival and demolished their houses while they were away?</q> to me. You're not gonna get some sound <a href="/wiki/Logos" title="Logos">logos</a> out from me since this is pretty much all about subjective <a href="/wiki/Pathos" title="Pathos">pathos</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu"><span class="skin-invert" style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Aaron_Liu-20250318163000-Chipmunkdavis-20250318160200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 18 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318163000-Chipmunkdavis-20250318160200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318163000-Chipmunkdavis-20250318160200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318170300-Aaron_Liu-20250318163000"></span>The sound logos stuff is red herring, I was seeking any actual opinion to explain the cause of this discussion, given all previous statements were about DYK. That said, your example doesn't seem similar at all, it's recounting an event rather than making a blanket statement about a group of people. Replace X in "Did you know most X can't afford pizza?" with other labels, saying group Y or Z are poor as a fun factoid is both not that interesting and easily coopted into harmful stereotypes. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318170300-Aaron_Liu-20250318163000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 18 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318170300-Aaron_Liu-20250318163000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250318170300-Aaron_Liu-20250318163000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-20250318171800-Chipmunkdavis-20250318170300"></span>Oh well, let's be happy that they took their soundbites from DYK, which is often wrong or in poor taste, and not from "On this Day", were between <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ASelected_anniversaries%2FMarch_16&diff=481219285&oldid=460002152">2012</a> and, er, two days ago<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ASelected_anniversaries%2FMarch_16&diff=1280842251&oldid=1280499309">[10]</a> we proudly presented <a href="/wiki/Remembrance_Day_of_the_Latvian_Legionnaires" title="Remembrance Day of the Latvian Legionnaires">Remembrance Day of the Latvian Legionnaires</a>, "a day when soldiers of the Latvian Legion, part of the Waffen-SS, are commemorated." as the bolded top item for that day. Would be a hit on TikTok I suppose. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Fram-20250318171800-Chipmunkdavis-20250318170300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 18 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-20250318171800-Chipmunkdavis-20250318170300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-20250318171800-Chipmunkdavis-20250318170300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318010500-Mgjertson-20250313153800"></span>For short-form content that would fit our aesthetic, one could look at the NYT's grey-background stuff (e.g. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L1AYL6oxlU">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L1AYL6oxlU</a>), except we'd have way less motion and mostly just grey-background guy talking with images Ken-Burns b'rolled to taste (plus ofc a short ident at the end, perhaps with the sound logo). <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu"><span class="skin-invert" style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Aaron_Liu-20250318010500-Mgjertson-20250313153800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:05, 18 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318010500-Mgjertson-20250313153800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Liu-20250318010500-Mgjertson-20250313153800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Commander_Keane-20250323110600-Aaron_Liu-20250318010500"></span>The proposed WMF Annual Plan OKRs page has a section on <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2025-2026/Product_%26_Technology_OKRs#Social_video_(FA2)" class="extiw" title="m:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Product & Technology OKRs">Social video</a> (they want 5,000,000 views etc) and <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2025-2026/Product_%26_Technology_OKRs#Social_video_(FA2)" class="extiw" title="m:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Product & Technology OKRs">some discussion</a>. That wasn't the right place for my comment, but like the original poster here the concept was new to me.</dd> <dd>It seems to me that many want an opportunity to work on this content: the "radio voices" comment; the series of alternate topic suggestions; and the Ken-Burns thing (I didn't really get that one <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu" title="User:Aaron Liu">Aaron Liu</a>, but <a href="https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari:Hezkuntza/Ikusgela" class="extiw" title="eu:Atari:Hezkuntza/Ikusgela">euwiki's video project</a> has some presenters with backgrounds).</dd> <dd>I like investment into tools that aid creation of new, exciting, human generated content - not into marketing departments or AI. <a href="/wiki/User:Commander_Keane" title="User:Commander Keane">Commander Keane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commander_Keane" title="User talk:Commander Keane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Commander_Keane-20250323110600-Aaron_Liu-20250318010500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:06, 23 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Commander_Keane-20250323110600-Aaron_Liu-20250318010500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Commander_Keane-20250323110600-Aaron_Liu-20250318010500"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="An_idea_I_had" data-mw-thread-id="h-An_idea_I_had-20250319042700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-An_idea_I_had-20250319042700"></span>An idea I had<span data-mw-comment-end="h-An_idea_I_had-20250319042700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700-An_idea_I_had"></span>Wikitranslate, the free translator, uses information from the web and Wiktionary. Also Wikifilm, the free streaming service, mostly of public domain films. <a href="/wiki/User:An_editor_from_Mars" title="User:An editor from Mars">An editor from Mars</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:An_editor_from_Mars" title="User talk:An editor from Mars">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700-An_idea_I_had" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:27, 19 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700-An_idea_I_had"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700-An_idea_I_had"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phil_Bridger-20250319090700-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700"></span>New WMF projects can be proposed at <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects" class="extiw" title="meta:Proposals for new projects">Meta:Proposals for new projects</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Phil_Bridger" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Phil Bridger">Phil Bridger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phil_Bridger" title="User talk:Phil Bridger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Phil_Bridger-20250319090700-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phil_Bridger-20250319090700-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phil_Bridger-20250319090700-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mrfoogles-20250320024500-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700"></span>To be honest, I'm not sure that there's enough demand for public domain films a whole streaming service is needed; people can already watch them fairly well on Commons if they want to. And Google Translate already uses information from Wikipedia -- that's not a distinguishing feature. <a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrfoogles" title="User talk:Mrfoogles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Mrfoogles-20250320024500-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 20 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mrfoogles-20250320024500-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mrfoogles-20250320024500-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DotesConks-20250321010300-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:An_editor_from_Mars" title="User:An editor from Mars">An editor from Mars</a> <a class="external free" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiTranslate">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiTranslate</a>. WikiTranslate is an already proposed project in the works. WikiFilm is covered by Wikipedia and theres no reason to divide the Encyclopedia further. <a href="/wiki/User:DotesConks" title="User:DotesConks">DotesConks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DotesConks" title="User talk:DotesConks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-DotesConks-20250321010300-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:03, 21 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DotesConks-20250321010300-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DotesConks-20250321010300-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cremastra-20250323155100-DotesConks-20250321010300"></span>Wikifilm is not covered by Wikipedia at all – did you mean Wikisource? <a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">Cremastra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Cremastra-20250323155100-DotesConks-20250321010300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:51, 23 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20250323155100-DotesConks-20250321010300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cremastra-20250323155100-DotesConks-20250321010300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Embyarby-20250322174600-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700"></span>Wikifilm does exist, it's called <a class="external text" href="https://wikiflix.toolforge.org/#/">WikiFlix</a> and it's hosted on Wikimedia Toolforge. <a href="/wiki/User:Embyarby" title="User:Embyarby">Embyarby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Embyarby" title="User talk:Embyarby">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Embyarby-20250322174600-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 22 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Embyarby-20250322174600-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Embyarby-20250322174600-An_editor_from_Mars-20250319042700"></span></dd></dl> <p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Skyhorse_Publishing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Skyhorse_Publishing-20250323181900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Skyhorse_Publishing-20250323181900"></span>Skyhorse Publishing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Skyhorse_Publishing-20250323181900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rich_Farmbrough-20250323181900-Skyhorse_Publishing"></span>Is WMF aware of this <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781510755406/the-wikipedia-legends-of-the-civil-war/"><i>The Wikipedia Legends of the Civil War</i></a> (one of a series). Looks like trade mark infringement, and it's no clear whether they attribute the articles correctly. All the best: <i><a href="/wiki/User:Rich_Farmbrough" title="User:Rich Farmbrough">Rich</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rich_Farmbrough" title="User talk:Rich Farmbrough">Farmbrough</a></i><small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Rich_Farmbrough-20250323181900-Skyhorse_Publishing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 23 March 2025 (UTC)</a>.<span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rich_Farmbrough-20250323181900-Skyhorse_Publishing"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rich_Farmbrough-20250323181900-Skyhorse_Publishing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><br /> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RAdimer-WMF-20250324171900-Rich_Farmbrough-20250323181900"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Rich_Farmbrough" title="User:Rich Farmbrough">Rich Farmbrough</a>, thanks for this message. I've passed this along to WMF Legal, who is looking into it. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:RAdimer-WMF" title="User:RAdimer-WMF">RAdimer-WMF</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RAdimer-WMF" title="User talk:RAdimer-WMF">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-RAdimer-WMF-20250324171900-Rich_Farmbrough-20250323181900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 24 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RAdimer-WMF-20250324171900-Rich_Farmbrough-20250323181900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RAdimer-WMF-20250324171900-Rich_Farmbrough-20250323181900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RoySmith-20250324175000-RAdimer-WMF-20250324171900"></span>Tacky perhaps, but looking at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781510755406/the-wikipedia-legends-of-the-civil-war/">the publisher's website</a>, they make it clear that this is a "curated selection of content" from wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CC_BY-SA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CC BY-SA">CC-BY-SA 4.0</a> allows you to give the attribution in "any reasonable manner", which I think they've met. <a href="/wiki/User:RoySmith" title="User:RoySmith">RoySmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoySmith" title="User talk:RoySmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-RoySmith-20250324175000-RAdimer-WMF-20250324171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 24 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RoySmith-20250324175000-RAdimer-WMF-20250324171900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RoySmith-20250324175000-RAdimer-WMF-20250324171900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phil_Bridger-20250324181200-RoySmith-20250324175000"></span>Yes, but this still seems to violate trademark rights. I believe the WMF holds the trademark to "Wikipedia". Anyway, if it violates copyright, the writers of the articles concerned would have to take action as the copyright holders. <a href="/wiki/User:Phil_Bridger" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Phil Bridger">Phil Bridger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phil_Bridger" title="User talk:Phil Bridger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Phil_Bridger-20250324181200-RoySmith-20250324175000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 24 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phil_Bridger-20250324181200-RoySmith-20250324175000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phil_Bridger-20250324181200-RoySmith-20250324175000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RoySmith-Mobile-20250324205300-Phil_Bridger-20250324181200"></span>We require attribution. What possible way is there to provide attribution without using the word "Wikipedia"? <a href="/wiki/User:RoySmith-Mobile" title="User:RoySmith-Mobile">RoySmith-Mobile</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoySmith-Mobile" title="User talk:RoySmith-Mobile">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-RoySmith-Mobile-20250324205300-Phil_Bridger-20250324181200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 24 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RoySmith-Mobile-20250324205300-Phil_Bridger-20250324181200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RoySmith-Mobile-20250324205300-Phil_Bridger-20250324181200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phil_Bridger-20250324210800-RoySmith-Mobile-20250324205300"></span>Yes, attribution requires the <i>word</i> "Wikipedia", but it certainly doesn't mean that the word has to be in the title of the book, which is the trademark issue. <a href="/wiki/User:Phil_Bridger" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Phil Bridger">Phil Bridger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phil_Bridger" title="User talk:Phil Bridger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Phil_Bridger-20250324210800-RoySmith-Mobile-20250324205300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 24 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phil_Bridger-20250324210800-RoySmith-Mobile-20250324205300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phil_Bridger-20250324210800-RoySmith-Mobile-20250324205300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RoySmith-20250324223800-Phil_Bridger-20250324210800"></span>Ah. I see your point. <a href="/wiki/User:RoySmith" title="User:RoySmith">RoySmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoySmith" title="User talk:RoySmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-RoySmith-20250324223800-Phil_Bridger-20250324210800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:38, 24 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RoySmith-20250324223800-Phil_Bridger-20250324210800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RoySmith-20250324223800-Phil_Bridger-20250324210800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikimedia_Foundation_Bulletin_2025_Issue_5" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikimedia_Foundation_Bulletin_2025_Issue_5-20250324173700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikimedia_Foundation_Bulletin_2025_Issue_5-20250324173700"></span>Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin 2025 Issue 5<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikimedia_Foundation_Bulletin_2025_Issue_5-20250324173700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="plainlinks"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20250324173700-Wikimedia_Foundation_Bulletin_2025_Issue_5"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right skin-invert" typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Wikimedia_Foundation_logo_-_horizontal.svg/150px-Wikimedia_Foundation_logo_-_horizontal.svg.png" decoding="async" width="150" height="35" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Wikimedia_Foundation_logo_-_horizontal.svg/225px-Wikimedia_Foundation_logo_-_horizontal.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Wikimedia_Foundation_logo_-_horizontal.svg/300px-Wikimedia_Foundation_logo_-_horizontal.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="119" /></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Here is a quick overview of highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation since our last issue on 10 March. Please help <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_Bulletin/2025/5" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin/2025/5">translate</a>.</i></div> <div style="clear:both"></div> <hr /> <p><b>Upcoming and current events and conversations</b><br /><small><i><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Let%27s_Talk" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Let's Talk">Let's Talk</a> continues</i></small> </p> <ul><li><b>Wikimania 2025</b>: Program submission is still open until March 31. <a href="https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/2025:Program" class="extiw" title="wikimania:Special:MyLanguage/2025:Program">Apply now</a> to speak at Wikimania 2025.</li> <li><b>Research Fund</b>: The <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Grants:Programs/Wikimedia_Research_%26_Technology_Fund/Wikimedia_Research_Fund" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Grants:Programs/Wikimedia Research & Technology Fund/Wikimedia Research Fund">2025 Wikimedia Research Fund</a> is launching, inviting proposals from researchers aiming to advance free knowledge through Wikimedia projects. <a href="https://diff.wikimedia.org/2025/03/13/announcing-the-newest-round-of-the-research-fund/" class="extiw" title="diffblog:2025/03/13/announcing-the-newest-round-of-the-research-fund/">Submit your proposal before April 16</a>.</li> <li><b>Central Notice Training</b>: <a href="https://diff.wikimedia.org/2025/03/17/learn-more-about-updates-to-the-central-notice-guidelines-by-joining-a-central-notice-requester-training/" class="extiw" title="diffblog:2025/03/17/learn-more-about-updates-to-the-central-notice-guidelines-by-joining-a-central-notice-requester-training/">Learn more about updates to the Central Notice Guidelines</a> by joining a Central Notice Requester training <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Event:Central_Notice_Requester_Training" class="extiw" title="m:Event:Central Notice Requester Training">on March 26 at 14:00 UTC</a>.</li></ul> <p><br /> <b>Annual Goals Progress on <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2024-2025/Goals/Infrastructure" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2024-2025/Goals/Infrastructure">Infrastructure</a></b><br /><small><i>See also newsletters: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Newsletter" class="extiw" title="m:Wikimedia Apps/Newsletter">Wikimedia Apps</a> · <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Growth/Newsletters" class="extiw" title="mw:Growth/Newsletters">Growth</a> · <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Newsletter" class="extiw" title="m:Research:Newsletter">Research</a> · <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Newsletter:Web_team%27s_projects" class="extiw" title="mw:Newsletter:Web team's projects">Web</a> · <a href="https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:Status_updates" class="extiw" title="f:Wikifunctions:Status updates">Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia</a> · <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News">Tech News</a> · <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Newsletter:Language_and_Internationalization_Newsletter" class="extiw" title="mw:Newsletter:Language and Internationalization Newsletter">Language and Internationalization</a> · <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Newsletters" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:Newsletters">other newsletters on MediaWiki.org</a></i></small> </p> <ul><li><b>Design System</b>: <a href="https://diff.wikimedia.org/2025/03/14/wikimedia-design-jam-introduces-codex-to-designers/" class="extiw" title="diffblog:2025/03/14/wikimedia-design-jam-introduces-codex-to-designers/">Learn more about Wikimedia’s Codex design system</a> and how to use it while designing for Wikimedia projects.</li> <li><b>Tech News</b>: The <a class="external text" href="https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContentTranslation&filter-type=automatic&filter-id=previous-edits&active-list=suggestions&from=en&to=es&wprov=wppw2">improved Content Translation tool dashboard</a> is now available in <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T387820" class="extiw" title="phab:T387820">10 Wikipedias</a> and will be available for all Wikipedias <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T387821" class="extiw" title="phab:T387821">soon</a>; on Wikimedia Commons, a <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:WMF_support_for_Commons/Upload_Wizard_Improvements#Improve_category_selection" class="extiw" title="c:Commons:WMF support for Commons/Upload Wizard Improvements">new system to select the appropriate file categories</a> has been introduced. More updates from tech news week <a href="https://diff.wikimedia.org/2025/03/10/tech-news-2025-week-11/" class="extiw" title="diffblog:2025/03/10/tech-news-2025-week-11/">11</a> and <a href="https://diff.wikimedia.org/2025/03/17/tech-news-2025-week-12/" class="extiw" title="diffblog:2025/03/17/tech-news-2025-week-12/">12</a>.</li> <li><b>P&T Annual Planning</b>: The Product & Technology department <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2025-2026/Product_%26_Technology_OKRs" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Product & Technology OKRs">publishes its plans</a> early in the annual planning process, which is on Meta-Wiki and <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2025-2026/Product_%26_Technology_OKRs" class="extiw" title="m:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Product & Technology OKRs">open for feedback</a>. These <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2025-2026/Product_%26_Technology_OKRs#Product_and_Technology_Objectives" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Product & Technology OKRs">objectives and key results</a> are not a list of projects, but instead, a set of directions for problems to solve and impacts to achieve over the course of the year. We look forward to engaging with the community on this plan.</li></ul> <p><br /> <b>Annual Goals Progress on <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2024-2025/Goals/Equity" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2024-2025/Goals/Equity">Knowledge Equity</a></b><br /><small><i>See also a list of all movement events: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:AllEvents" class="extiw" title="m:Special:AllEvents">on Meta-Wiki</a></i></small> </p> <ul><li><b>Resource Support Pilot</b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#We_want_to_buy_you_books" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request">The pilot project</a> on English Wikipedia to fund small resource requests (like books) to support editors in improving content has moved to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#Working_on_specifics" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request">the next phases of the discussion</a>.</li> <li><b>Wikisource Conference</b>: <a href="https://diff.wikimedia.org/2025/03/13/wikisource-volunteers-reunite-after-a-decade-at-the-international-wikisource-conference-2025-in-bali/" class="extiw" title="diffblog:2025/03/13/wikisource-volunteers-reunite-after-a-decade-at-the-international-wikisource-conference-2025-in-bali/">Some highlights</a> from the Wikisource Conference 2025 in Bali.</li> <li><b>ESEAP Hub</b>: <a href="https://diff.wikimedia.org/2025/03/20/eseap-hub-the-story-so-far-and-look-ahead/" class="extiw" title="diffblog:2025/03/20/eseap-hub-the-story-so-far-and-look-ahead/">Future plans for the ESEAP Hub</a> one-year pilot project.</li></ul> <p><br /> <b>Annual Goals Progress on <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2024-2025/Goals/Safety_%26_Integrity" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2024-2025/Goals/Safety & Integrity">Safety & Integrity</a></b><br /><small><i>See also blogs: <a href="https://diff.wikimedia.org/global-advocacy" class="extiw" title="diffblog:global-advocacy">Global Advocacy blog</a> · <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://mailchi.mp/wikimedia/global-advocacy-policy-newsletter">Global Advocacy Newsletter</a> · <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimediapolicy.medium.com">Policy blog</a></i></small> </p> <ul><li><b>Litigation review</b>: <a href="https://diff.wikimedia.org/2025/03/14/2024-wikimedia-foundation-litigation-review-defending-the-wikimedia-projects-and-volunteers-in-court-and-shaping-the-future-of-the-internet/" class="extiw" title="diffblog:2025/03/14/2024-wikimedia-foundation-litigation-review-defending-the-wikimedia-projects-and-volunteers-in-court-and-shaping-the-future-of-the-internet/">Read key points of the Wikimedia Foundation's legal work last year</a> to protect free and open knowledge broadly, and the Wikimedia volunteers and projects in particular.</li></ul> <p><br /> <b>Board and Board committee updates</b><br /><small><i>See <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Board noticeboard">Wikimedia Foundation Board noticeboard</a> · <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/News" class="extiw" title="m:Affiliations Committee/News">Affiliations Committee Newsletter</a></i></small> </p> <ul><li><b>Affiliations Committee</b>: <a href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/X7FQFUXRZ5JBLBNNA2GZY7XMWUOKPZDA/" class="extiw" title="listarchive:list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/X7FQFUXRZ5JBLBNNA2GZY7XMWUOKPZDA/">Announcement of the 2025 Affiliations Committee Appointments</a>.</li> <li><b>Wikimedia MKD</b>: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/2025/North_Macedonian_affiliates" class="extiw" title="m:Affiliations Committee/Resolutions/2025/North Macedonian affiliates">Recognition</a> of <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_MKD" class="extiw" title="m:Wikimedia MKD">Wikimedia MKD User Group</a>.</li> <li><b>Wikimedia Community User Group Burundi</b>: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/2025/Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Burundi" class="extiw" title="m:Affiliations Committee/Resolutions/2025/Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Burundi">Recognition</a> of <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Burundi" class="extiw" title="m:Wikimedia Community User Group Burundi">Wikimedia Community User Group Burundi</a>.</li></ul> <p><br /> <b>Other Movement curated newsletters & news</b><br /><small><i>See also:</i> <a href="https://diff.wikimedia.org/" 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It has 36 questions that produce a score between 12 and 180. I would like to know what WMF's score is. <a href="/wiki/User:Hawkeye7" title="User:Hawkeye7"><span style="color:#800082">Hawkeye7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7" title="User talk:Hawkeye7"><span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Hawkeye7-20250324202300-US_government_questionnaire" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:23, 24 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawkeye7-20250324202300-US_government_questionnaire"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawkeye7-20250324202300-US_government_questionnaire"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GreenMeansGo-20250325135900-Hawkeye7-20250324202300"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704" /><q class="inline-quote-talk">combatting Christian prosecution</q> I would normally think this was a typo. But given the circumstances... <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-GreenMeansGo-20250325135900-Hawkeye7-20250324202300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 25 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenMeansGo-20250325135900-Hawkeye7-20250324202300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenMeansGo-20250325135900-Hawkeye7-20250324202300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phil_Bridger-20250325160000-GreenMeansGo-20250325135900"></span>I keep thinking that they can't be <i>that</i> bad, but then they come out with something that shows that they are. I'm just glad that I don't live in the US. <a href="/wiki/User:Phil_Bridger" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Phil Bridger">Phil Bridger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phil_Bridger" title="User talk:Phil Bridger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Phil_Bridger-20250325160000-GreenMeansGo-20250325135900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 25 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phil_Bridger-20250325160000-GreenMeansGo-20250325135900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phil_Bridger-20250325160000-GreenMeansGo-20250325135900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hawkeye7-20250327211400-Phil_Bridger-20250325160000"></span>Me neither, but I still have to deal with the questionnaire. <a href="/wiki/User:Hawkeye7" title="User:Hawkeye7"><span style="color:#800082">Hawkeye7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7" title="User talk:Hawkeye7"><span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Hawkeye7-20250327211400-Phil_Bridger-20250325160000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 27 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawkeye7-20250327211400-Phil_Bridger-20250325160000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawkeye7-20250327211400-Phil_Bridger-20250325160000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphimblade-20250328034800-Hawkeye7-20250327211400"></span>I have to wonder what the actual US government would score on that thing. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Seraphimblade-20250328034800-Hawkeye7-20250327211400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:48, 28 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphimblade-20250328034800-Hawkeye7-20250327211400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphimblade-20250328034800-Hawkeye7-20250327211400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doug_Weller-20250328082600-Hawkeye7-20250327211400"></span>The WMF doesn't need to do it though. And I'm not sure why you are posting here instead of contacting the WMF directly. <a href="/wiki/User:Doug_Weller" title="User:Doug Weller"><span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Weller" title="User talk:Doug Weller">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Doug_Weller-20250328082600-Hawkeye7-20250327211400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:26, 28 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doug_Weller-20250328082600-Hawkeye7-20250327211400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doug_Weller-20250328082600-Hawkeye7-20250327211400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe-20250328083600-Hawkeye7-20250327211400"></span>Universities in Europe are generally advising not to fill in or respond to the survey. – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe" title="User:Joe Roe">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe" title="User talk:Joe Roe">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Joe_Roe-20250328083600-Hawkeye7-20250327211400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:36, 28 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe-20250328083600-Hawkeye7-20250327211400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe-20250328083600-Hawkeye7-20250327211400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JPxG-20250401045600-Hawkeye7-20250324202300"></span>We have to <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704" /><q class="inline-quote-talk">encourage free speech and encourage open debate and free sharing of information</q> but also be sure to not work with <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704" /><q class="inline-quote-talk">any party that espouses anti-American beliefs</q>, I guess. <b style="font-family:monospace;color:#E35BD8"><a href="/wiki/User:JPxG" title="User:JPxG"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b></a>×<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JPxG" title="Special:Contributions/JPxG"><b style="color: #029D74">g</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JPxG" title="User talk:JPxG">🗯️</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-JPxG-20250401045600-Hawkeye7-20250324202300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:56, 1 April 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JPxG-20250401045600-Hawkeye7-20250324202300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JPxG-20250401045600-Hawkeye7-20250324202300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_MS_forums_will_be_CLOSED_soon" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_MS_forums_will_be_CLOSED_soon-20250325213000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_MS_forums_will_be_CLOSED_soon-20250325213000"></span>The MS forums will be CLOSED soon<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_MS_forums_will_be_CLOSED_soon-20250325213000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sm8900-20250325213000-The_MS_forums_will_be_CLOSED_soon"></span>WMF is closing the MS forums. please see the link below for details.</b> </p><p>Here is the official WMF announcement: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704" /><q class="inline-quote-talk">Based on the data and the learning, we will be archiving the Forum in April 2025. It will be put in read-only mode for a year - during this time all the discussions will be available online, but no new discussions can be started. After this period we will export all the data and retain a full archive.</q> </p> <ul><li>LINK: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Forum/Archiving" class="extiw" title="meta:Movement Strategy/Forum/Archiving">meta:Movement Strategy/Forum/Archiving</a> <b></b></li></ul> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Sm8900" title="User:Sm8900">Sm8900</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sm8900" title="User talk:Sm8900">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Sm8900-20250325213000-The_MS_forums_will_be_CLOSED_soon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 25 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sm8900-20250325213000-The_MS_forums_will_be_CLOSED_soon"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sm8900-20250325213000-The_MS_forums_will_be_CLOSED_soon"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20250325221100-Sm8900-20250325213000"></span>Thanks for sharing. Sunsetting the Movement Strategy forum is probably a good move, in my opinion. The Movement Strategy forum's location and software is a bit on the bespoke side, and runs the risk of raising barriers to entry, and fragmenting policy discussions away from the already existing place for such discussions (metawiki). –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Novem_Linguae-20250325221100-Sm8900-20250325213000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 25 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20250325221100-Sm8900-20250325213000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20250325221100-Sm8900-20250325213000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thebiguglyalien-20250325225400-Sm8900-20250325213000"></span>This is the first I've heard of the MS forums, so anecdotally I feel that the attempts to promote it were unsuccessful. Also, <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704" /><q class="inline-quote-talk">The hosting and maintenance cost of the MS Forum is $20K per year.</q> Even if it had worked, I can't imagine it would have ever given us anything near $20k-worth of benefit. I'm wondering if there was ever demand for this, or if it was one of the WMF's many "initiatives" that no one asked for. <a href="/wiki/User:Thebiguglyalien" title="User:Thebiguglyalien"><span style="color:#487d30">Thebiguglyalien</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thebiguglyalien" title="User talk:Thebiguglyalien"><span style="color:#714e2a">talk</span></a>) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thebiguglyalien" title="Special:Contributions/Thebiguglyalien">🛸</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Thebiguglyalien-20250325225400-Sm8900-20250325213000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 25 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thebiguglyalien-20250325225400-Sm8900-20250325213000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thebiguglyalien-20250325225400-Sm8900-20250325213000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WMF_announcement:_Strengthening_Wikipedia’s_neutral_point_of_view" data-mw-thread-id="h-WMF_announcement:_Strengthening_Wikipedia’s_neutral_point_of_view-20250327203900"><span id="WMF_announcement:_Strengthening_Wikipedia.E2.80.99s_neutral_point_of_view"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WMF_announcement:_Strengthening_Wikipedia’s_neutral_point_of_view-20250327203900"></span>WMF announcement: Strengthening Wikipedia’s neutral point of view<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WMF_announcement:_Strengthening_Wikipedia’s_neutral_point_of_view-20250327203900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hemiauchenia-20250327203900-WMF_announcement:_Strengthening_Wikipedia’s_neutral_point_of_view"></span>See <a class="external text" href="https://diff.wikimedia.org/2025/03/27/strengthening-wikipedias-neutral-point-of-view/">WMF announcement</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2025-2026/Global_Trends/Common_global_standards_for_NPOV_policies">Meta page</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2025-2026/Global_Trends/Common_global_standards_for_NPOV_policies">Meta discussion page</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Hemiauchenia" title="User:Hemiauchenia">Hemiauchenia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hemiauchenia" title="User talk:Hemiauchenia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Hemiauchenia-20250327203900-WMF_announcement:_Strengthening_Wikipedia’s_neutral_point_of_view" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 27 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hemiauchenia-20250327203900-WMF_announcement:_Strengthening_Wikipedia’s_neutral_point_of_view"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hemiauchenia-20250327203900-WMF_announcement:_Strengthening_Wikipedia’s_neutral_point_of_view"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20250327235100-Hemiauchenia-20250327203900"></span>Sounds like the first step towards creating a global NPOV policy.</dd> <dd>In general and in my opinion, English Wikipedia doesn't really benefit from global policies much since we have our own mature policies, so I guess the idea is to provide an NPOV policy for smaller wikis? Reminds me a bit of the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/UCOC" class="extiw" title="meta:UCOC">meta:UCOC</a>.</dd> <dd>As I sometimes see with initiatives on meta, the exact motivation for this has been stated very generally ("global trends", "how trust in information online is declining and a fragmentation of consensus about what information is true"), without giving many specifics about who is pushing for this and what specific incident(s) led to it getting on the radar. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Novem_Linguae-20250327235100-Hemiauchenia-20250327203900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:51, 27 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20250327235100-Hemiauchenia-20250327203900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20250327235100-Hemiauchenia-20250327203900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hawkeye7-20250328034200-Novem_Linguae-20250327235100"></span>I think you'll find the radar image two sections up. <a href="/wiki/User:Hawkeye7" title="User:Hawkeye7"><span style="color:#800082">Hawkeye7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7" title="User talk:Hawkeye7"><span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Hawkeye7-20250328034200-Novem_Linguae-20250327235100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 28 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawkeye7-20250328034200-Novem_Linguae-20250327235100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawkeye7-20250328034200-Novem_Linguae-20250327235100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250328063400-Hawkeye7-20250328034200"></span>That will likely have contributed to it. There probably isn't a clear single cause, it will have been hazily floating around for awhile, notable items that spring to mind include the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Croatian_Wikipedia_Disinformation_Assessment-2021" class="extiw" title="meta:Croatian Wikipedia Disinformation Assessment-2021">meta:Croatian Wikipedia Disinformation Assessment-2021</a>, the <a class="external text" href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/6ANVSSZWOGH27OXAIN2XMJ2X7NWRVURF/#6ANVSSZWOGH27OXAIN2XMJ2X7NWRVURF">zh.wiki office actions</a>, <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Historical_Revisionism_in_Japanese_Wikipedia" class="extiw" title="meta:Research:Historical Revisionism in Japanese Wikipedia">longstanding jp.wiki concerns</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Ruwiki_(Wikipedia_fork)" title="Ruwiki (Wikipedia fork)">ruwiki</a> split, and other issues that have popped up in meta RfCs. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Chipmunkdavis-20250328063400-Hawkeye7-20250328034200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:34, 28 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250328063400-Hawkeye7-20250328034200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250328063400-Hawkeye7-20250328034200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://auth.wikimedia.org/loginwiki/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)&oldid=1283442802">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)&oldid=1283442802</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Category</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_village_pump" title="Category:Wikipedia village pump">Wikipedia village pump</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden categories: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_pages_semi-protected_from_banned_users" title="Category:Wikipedia pages semi-protected from banned users">Wikipedia pages semi-protected from banned users</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Non-talk_pages_that_are_automatically_signed" title="Category:Non-talk pages that are automatically signed">Non-talk pages that are automatically signed</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_automatically_checked_for_incorrect_links" title="Category:Pages automatically checked for incorrect links">Pages automatically checked for incorrect links</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 1 April 2025, at 15:10<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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