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Now there is a weird slump in installations for 2011-2012. The original sources listed are problematic: the IEA report 'snapshot of global PV' only makes a statement about Chinese installations in 2013, the 'National Survey Report of PV Power Applications in China 2011' give just a single value for 2011, which is really big jump of 2500 MW. Another <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.iea-pvps.org/fileadmin/dam/public/report/statistics/tr_2011.pdf">IEA report</a> has timeline for installations 1995-2010, which says was essentially zero PV until 2006, climbing to 500 in 2010. These numbers, too, seem educated guesses (at 10, 20, 40, 80, 160, 500 MW). I'm not sure what to do now. The data currently present in the table for 1999-2011 seems doubtful, and not backed up by any of the sources given. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jorritg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jorritg (page does not exist)">Jorritg</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jorritg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Jorritg (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jorritg" title="Special:Contributions/Jorritg">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-Jorritg-2020-02-08T11:23:00.000Z-Differences_in_sources_on_installed_capacity_data" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:23, 8 February 2020 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jorritg-2020-02-08T11:23:00.000Z-Differences_in_sources_on_installed_capacity_data"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jorritg-2020-02-08T11:23:00.000Z-Differences_in_sources_on_installed_capacity_data"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Orphaned_references_in_Solar_power_in_China" data-mw-thread-id="h-Orphaned_references_in_Solar_power_in_China-2015-12-03T09:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Orphaned_references_in_Solar_power_in_China-2015-12-03T09:30:00.000Z"></span>Orphaned references in <a href="/wiki/Solar_power_in_China" title="Solar power in China">Solar power in China</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Orphaned_references_in_Solar_power_in_China-2015-12-03T09:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Solar_power_in_China&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Orphaned references in Solar power in China"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnomieBOT-2015-12-03T09:30:00.000Z-Orphaned_references_in_Solar_power_in_China"></span>I check pages listed in <a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_with_incorrect_ref_formatting" title="Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting">Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting</a> to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for <a href="/wiki/User:AnomieBOT/docs/OrphanReferenceFixer" title="User:AnomieBOT/docs/OrphanReferenceFixer">orphaned references</a> in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of <a href="/wiki/Solar_power_in_China" title="Solar power in China">Solar power in China</a>'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for <i>this</i> article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article. </p> <p><b>Reference named "CleanTechnica":</b></p><ul> <li>From <a href="/wiki/Photovoltaics" title="Photovoltaics">Photovoltaics</a>: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite class="citation web cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://cleantechnica.com/2015/03/19/chinas-national-energy-administration-17-8-gw-new-solar-pv-2015/">"China's National Energy Administration: 17.8 GW Of New Solar PV In 2015 (~20% Increase)"</a>. CleanTechnica. 19 March 2015.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=unknown&rft.btitle=China%E2%80%99s+National+Energy+Administration%3A+17.8+GW+Of+New+Solar+PV+In+2015+%28~20%25+Increase%29&rft.pub=CleanTechnica&rft.date=2015-03-19&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fcleantechnica.com%2F2015%2F03%2F19%2Fchinas-national-energy-administration-17-8-gw-new-solar-pv-2015%2F&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3ASolar+power+in+China" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li>From <a href="/wiki/Growth_of_photovoltaics" title="Growth of photovoltaics">Growth of photovoltaics</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite class="citation web cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://cleantechnica.com/2015/03/19/chinas-national-energy-administration-17-8-gw-new-solar-pv-2015/">"China's National Energy Administration: 17.8 GW Of New Solar PV In 2015 (~20% Increase)"</a>. <i>CleanTechnica</i>. 19 March 2015.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=CleanTechnica&rft.atitle=China%E2%80%99s+National+Energy+Administration%3A+17.8+GW+Of+New+Solar+PV+In+2015+%28~20%25+Increase%29&rft.date=2015-03-19&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fcleantechnica.com%2F2015%2F03%2F19%2Fchinas-national-energy-administration-17-8-gw-new-solar-pv-2015%2F&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3ASolar+power+in+China" class="Z3988"></span></li> </ul> <p><b>Reference named "epia-2014":</b></p><ul> <li>From <a href="/wiki/Solar_power_in_the_United_Kingdom" title="Solar power in the United Kingdom">Solar power in the United Kingdom</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite class="citation web cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6QGSvAF7w">"Global Market Outlook for Photovoltaics 2014-2018"</a>. <i>www.epia.org</i>. EPIA - European Photovoltaic Industry Association. p. 24. Archived from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.epia.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Publications/EPIA_Global_Market_Outlook_for_Photovoltaics_2014-2018_-_Medium_Res.pdf">the original</a> <span class="cs1-format">(PDF)</span> on 12 June 2014<span class="reference-accessdate">. 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EPIA - European Photovoltaic Industry Association. p. 24. Archived from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.epia.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Publications/EPIA_Global_Market_Outlook_for_Photovoltaics_2014-2018_-_Medium_Res.pdf">the original</a> <span class="cs1-format">(PDF)</span> on 12 June 2014<span class="reference-accessdate">. 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Archived from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.epia.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Publications/EPIA_Global_Market_Outlook_for_Photovoltaics_2014-2018_-_Medium_Res.pdf">the original</a> <span class="cs1-format">(PDF)</span> on 12 June 2014<span class="reference-accessdate">. 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Archived from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.epia.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Publications/EPIA_Global_Market_Outlook_for_Photovoltaics_2014-2018_-_Medium_Res.pdf">the original</a> <span class="cs1-format">(PDF)</span> on 12 June 2014<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">12 June</span> 2014</span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=www.epia.org&rft.atitle=Global+Market+Outlook+for+Photovoltaics+2014-2018&rft.pages=26&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.epia.org%2Ffileadmin%2Fuser_upload%2FPublications%2FEPIA_Global_Market_Outlook_for_Photovoltaics_2014-2018_-_Medium_Res.pdf&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3ASolar+power+in+China" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li>From <a href="/wiki/Renewable_energy" title="Renewable energy">Renewable energy</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite class="citation web cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6QGSvAF7w">"Global Market Outlook for Photovoltaics 2014-2018"</a>. <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.epia.org">http://www.epia.org</a></i>. 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EPIA – European Photovoltaic Industry Association. p. 24. Archived from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.epia.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Publications/EPIA_Global_Market_Outlook_for_Photovoltaics_2014-2018_-_Medium_Res.pdf">the original</a> <span class="cs1-format">(PDF)</span> on 12 June 2014<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">23 April</span> 2015</span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.epia.org&rft.atitle=Global+Market+Outlook+for+Photovoltaics+2014-2018&rft.pages=24&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.epia.org%2Ffileadmin%2Fuser_upload%2FPublications%2FEPIA_Global_Market_Outlook_for_Photovoltaics_2014-2018_-_Medium_Res.pdf&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3ASolar+power+in+China" class="Z3988"></span> <span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment"><code class="cs1-code">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_web" title="Template:Cite web">cite web</a>}}</code>: </span><span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment">External link in <code class="cs1-code"><code class="cs1-code">|website=</code></code> (<a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#param_has_ext_link" title="Help:CS1 errors">help</a>)</span>; <span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment">Unknown parameter <code class="cs1-code">|deadurl=</code> ignored (<code class="cs1-code">|url-status=</code> suggested) (<a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#parameter_ignored_suggest" title="Help:CS1 errors">help</a>)</span> </li> <li>From <a href="/wiki/Solar_power_in_Ukraine" title="Solar power in Ukraine">Solar power in Ukraine</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite class="citation web cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.webcitation.org/6QGSvAF7w">"Global Market Outlook for Photovoltaics 2014-2018"</a>. <i>www.epia.org</i>. EPIA - European Photovoltaic Industry Association. p. 24. Archived from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.epia.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Publications/EPIA_Global_Market_Outlook_for_Photovoltaics_2014-2018_-_Medium_Res.pdf">the original</a> <span class="cs1-format">(PDF)</span> on 12 June 2014<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">12 June</span> 2014</span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=www.epia.org&rft.atitle=Global+Market+Outlook+for+Photovoltaics+2014-2018&rft.pages=24&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.epia.org%2Ffileadmin%2Fuser_upload%2FPublications%2FEPIA_Global_Market_Outlook_for_Photovoltaics_2014-2018_-_Medium_Res.pdf&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3ASolar+power+in+China" class="Z3988"></span></li> </ul> <p>I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. <a href="/wiki/User:AnomieBOT" title="User:AnomieBOT">AnomieBOT</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnomieBOT" title="User talk:AnomieBOT"><span style="color:#888800;">⚡</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-AnomieBOT-2015-12-03T09:30:00.000Z-Orphaned_references_in_Solar_power_in_China" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:30, 3 December 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnomieBOT-2015-12-03T09:30:00.000Z-Orphaned_references_in_Solar_power_in_China"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnomieBOT-2015-12-03T09:30:00.000Z-Orphaned_references_in_Solar_power_in_China"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Misleading_statement" data-mw-thread-id="h-Misleading_statement-2017-09-17T12:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Misleading_statement-2017-09-17T12:31:00.000Z"></span>Misleading statement<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Misleading_statement-2017-09-17T12:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Solar_power_in_China&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Misleading statement"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mortense-2017-09-17T12:31:00.000Z-Misleading_statement"></span>This is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-most-subtle-ways-to-deceive-people-with-statistics/answer/Richard-Muller-3">said to be misleading</a> (first paragraph): </p> <dl><dd>China became the world's largest producer of photovoltaic power ... By the end of 2016, total PV capacity had increased to over 77.4 GW.</dd></dl> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Mortense" title="User:Mortense">Mortense</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mortense" title="User talk:Mortense">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-Mortense-2017-09-17T12:31:00.000Z-Misleading_statement" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 17 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mortense-2017-09-17T12:31:00.000Z-Misleading_statement"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mortense-2017-09-17T12:31:00.000Z-Misleading_statement"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ita140188-2017-09-17T16:06:00.000Z-Mortense-2017-09-17T12:31:00.000Z"></span>There is nothing misleading about the statement. The sentence is perfectly clear. If someone does not know what the word capacity means in the context of solar power, this is what wikilinks are for. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ita140188" title="User:Ita140188">Ita140188</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ita140188" title="User talk:Ita140188">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-Ita140188-2017-09-17T16:06:00.000Z-Mortense-2017-09-17T12:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 17 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ita140188-2017-09-17T16:06:00.000Z-Mortense-2017-09-17T12:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ita140188-2017-09-17T16:06:00.000Z-Mortense-2017-09-17T12:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hong_Kong_and_China" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hong_Kong_and_China-2019-12-23T06:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hong_Kong_and_China-2019-12-23T06:14:00.000Z"></span>Hong Kong and China<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hong_Kong_and_China-2019-12-23T06:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Solar_power_in_China&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Hong Kong and China"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:14:00.000Z-Hong_Kong_and_China"></span>A user reverted my edits again and again. I've deleted the photo in question, because Hong Kong is not China. I've shown him a more appropriate article for that photo, but he wouldn't listen. </p><p>The article is <a href="/wiki/Energy_in_Hong_Kong" title="Energy in Hong Kong">Energy in Hong Kong</a>. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/129.127.32.138" title="Special:Contributions/129.127.32.138">129.127.32.138</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:129.127.32.138" title="User talk:129.127.32.138">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:14:00.000Z-Hong_Kong_and_China" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:14, 23 December 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:14:00.000Z-Hong_Kong_and_China"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:14:00.000Z-Hong_Kong_and_China"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MartinezMD-2019-12-23T06:32:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:14:00.000Z"></span>You didn't want to discuss this in the talk page, which is the correct place for the discussion. You can make your point, but since I disagree, I revert. Then we discuss. see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">WP:BRD</a>. Then you are supposed to try to convince me with a logical argument and get the input of other editors until there is consensus, not edit war and forcing a change to something that has been stable. That's WP policy for how this is to be handled. For interested editors, there is a related discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Photovoltaic_system" title="Talk:Photovoltaic system">Talk:Photovoltaic system</a> <a href="/wiki/User:MartinezMD" title="User:MartinezMD">MartinezMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MartinezMD" title="User talk:MartinezMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-MartinezMD-2019-12-23T06:32:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:32, 23 December 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MartinezMD-2019-12-23T06:32:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MartinezMD-2019-12-23T06:32:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:43:00.000Z-MartinezMD-2019-12-23T06:32:00.000Z"></span>That discussion is also by me. I started the discussion here and there after you told me to.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/129.127.32.138" title="Special:Contributions/129.127.32.138">129.127.32.138</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:129.127.32.138" title="User talk:129.127.32.138">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:43:00.000Z-MartinezMD-2019-12-23T06:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:43, 23 December 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:43:00.000Z-MartinezMD-2019-12-23T06:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:43:00.000Z-MartinezMD-2019-12-23T06:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MartinezMD-2019-12-23T17:28:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:43:00.000Z"></span>I will revert here, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">WP:BRD</a>. This is an image of a solar installation. It is labelled as being in Hong Kong, which is still a part of China, regardless of the politics of leadership involved. You can disagree with the inclusion and make your argument here. Then you can see what other editors have to say to get <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a> on the issue. <a href="/wiki/User:MartinezMD" title="User:MartinezMD">MartinezMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MartinezMD" title="User talk:MartinezMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-MartinezMD-2019-12-23T17:28:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 23 December 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MartinezMD-2019-12-23T17:28:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MartinezMD-2019-12-23T17:28:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ita140188-2019-12-24T09:09:00.000Z-MartinezMD-2019-12-23T17:28:00.000Z"></span>To be fair, I think the current image is not good, independently of the political sides. This is mainly because: 1) Mainland China's renewable energy policy as discussed in this article generally do not apply in HK; 2) Solar power statistics as reported in this article generally do not include HK; 3) there are many more representative photos of solar installations in China, as the great majority of solar power installed in China is in very large solar plants outside of city centers. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ita140188" title="User:Ita140188">Ita140188</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ita140188" title="User talk:Ita140188">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-Ita140188-2019-12-24T09:09:00.000Z-MartinezMD-2019-12-23T17:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:09, 24 December 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ita140188-2019-12-24T09:09:00.000Z-MartinezMD-2019-12-23T17:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ita140188-2019-12-24T09:09:00.000Z-MartinezMD-2019-12-23T17:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:06:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:43:00.000Z"></span>You can revert if you like, Martinez. And I will revert it again. Two editors disagree with you. And yes, as I have stated before, there is A SEPARATE PAGE for Hong Kong. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/129.127.32.138" title="Special:Contributions/129.127.32.138">129.127.32.138</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:129.127.32.138" title="User talk:129.127.32.138">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:06:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:06, 3 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:06:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:06:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2019-12-23T06:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MartinezMD-2020-01-03T05:19:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:06:00.000Z"></span>I am here to make an encyclopedia, not get into an edit war. If consensus is that it should not be in the article, I don't have a problem with it. You would benefit from learning more WP policy. <a href="/wiki/User:MartinezMD" title="User:MartinezMD">MartinezMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MartinezMD" title="User talk:MartinezMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-MartinezMD-2020-01-03T05:19:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:19, 3 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MartinezMD-2020-01-03T05:19:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MartinezMD-2020-01-03T05:19:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:25:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:06:00.000Z"></span>Like I said, two people disagree with you. Therefore, it will be reverted. End of.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/129.127.32.138" title="Special:Contributions/129.127.32.138">129.127.32.138</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:129.127.32.138" title="User talk:129.127.32.138">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:25:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:25, 3 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:25:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:25:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MartinezMD-2020-01-03T05:45:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:25:00.000Z"></span>1. You already reverted. 2. Consensus is not a vote. Read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">WP:Consensus</a> <a href="/wiki/User:MartinezMD" title="User:MartinezMD">MartinezMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MartinezMD" title="User talk:MartinezMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-MartinezMD-2020-01-03T05:45:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:45, 3 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MartinezMD-2020-01-03T05:45:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MartinezMD-2020-01-03T05:45:00.000Z-129.127.32.138-2020-01-03T05:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="100_GW" data-mw-thread-id="h-100_GW-2020-12-03T07:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-100_GW-2020-12-03T07:03:00.000Z"></span>100 GW<span data-mw-comment-end="h-100_GW-2020-12-03T07:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Solar_power_in_China&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: 100 GW"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-58.161.188.49-2020-12-03T07:03:00.000Z-100_GW"></span>"In 2017 China was the first country to pass 100 GW of cumulative installed PV capacity" </p><p>It appears Australia had 9,930 GW in 2017. <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Australia">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Australia</a> <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/58.161.188.49" title="Special:Contributions/58.161.188.49">58.161.188.49</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:58.161.188.49&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:58.161.188.49 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-58.161.188.49-2020-12-03T07:03:00.000Z-100_GW" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:03, 3 December 2020 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-58.161.188.49-2020-12-03T07:03:00.000Z-100_GW"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-58.161.188.49-2020-12-03T07:03:00.000Z-100_GW"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ita140188-2020-12-03T09:19:00.000Z-58.161.188.49-2020-12-03T07:03:00.000Z"></span>That's 9,930 GWh (<a href="/wiki/Gigawatt-hour" class="mw-redirect" title="Gigawatt-hour">gigawatt-hour</a>). It refers to generation during a year, not installed capacity. Australia had about 7 GW of solar in 2017 (see <a href="/wiki/Solar_power_in_Australia" title="Solar power in Australia">Solar power in Australia</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User:Ita140188" title="User:Ita140188">Ita140188</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ita140188" title="User talk:Ita140188">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-Ita140188-2020-12-03T09:19:00.000Z-58.161.188.49-2020-12-03T07:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:19, 3 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ita140188-2020-12-03T09:19:00.000Z-58.161.188.49-2020-12-03T07:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ita140188-2020-12-03T09:19:00.000Z-58.161.188.49-2020-12-03T07:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Graphs_are_temporarily_unavailable_due_to_technical_issues." data-mw-thread-id="h-Graphs_are_temporarily_unavailable_due_to_technical_issues.-20230627034300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Graphs_are_temporarily_unavailable_due_to_technical_issues.-20230627034300"></span>Graphs are temporarily unavailable due to technical issues.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Graphs_are_temporarily_unavailable_due_to_technical_issues.-20230627034300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Solar_power_in_China&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Graphs are temporarily unavailable due to technical issues."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627034300-Graphs_are_temporarily_unavailable_due_to_technical_issues."></span>I noticed all the other comparative Wikipedia articles have visual maps of solar power potential in a country. However "solar power in China", seems to be the only article without a working picture. Instead it has a broken image and a caption that says, "Graphs are temporarily unavailable due to technical issues". I was really hoping to see a solar potential map of China, and dissapointed to not be able to find one in Wikipedia. Can someone please add one in? Like how hard can it be to find and add it, considering this is a major country and so a public domain World Bank Group map, shouldn't be difficult to find. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SolarDGrayson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SolarDGrayson (page does not exist)">SolarDGrayson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SolarDGrayson" title="User talk:SolarDGrayson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-SolarDGrayson-20230627034300-Graphs_are_temporarily_unavailable_due_to_technical_issues." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627034300-Graphs_are_temporarily_unavailable_due_to_technical_issues."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627034300-Graphs_are_temporarily_unavailable_due_to_technical_issues."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627041000-SolarDGrayson-20230627034300"></span>I might as well just do it myself. Just want to update on my thread that I removed the malfunctioning graph as see no point in retaining it. (It was just a <i>pointless eye-sore</i> and shouldn't be re-added in until someone actually fixes it.) I currently replaced it with a <i>public domain</i> pic of China's solar potential mapping instead.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1162126302">[1]</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SolarDGrayson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SolarDGrayson (page does not exist)">SolarDGrayson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SolarDGrayson" title="User talk:SolarDGrayson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-SolarDGrayson-20230627041000-SolarDGrayson-20230627034300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627041000-SolarDGrayson-20230627034300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627041000-SolarDGrayson-20230627034300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627065700-SolarDGrayson-20230627041000"></span>Hi Ita140188, I noticed you undid my edit earlier. I disagree with it because all other articles have solar mapping as their First picture in their leads. No reason why China shouldn't follow that, and have the same layout as the rest. And I am using a visually different picture. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SolarDGrayson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SolarDGrayson (page does not exist)">SolarDGrayson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SolarDGrayson" title="User talk:SolarDGrayson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-SolarDGrayson-20230627065700-SolarDGrayson-20230627041000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:57, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627065700-SolarDGrayson-20230627041000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627065700-SolarDGrayson-20230627041000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627065700-SolarDGrayson-20230627041000-1"></span>Additionally when you visit the <a href="/wiki/Solar_power_in_Spain" title="Solar power in Spain">solar power in Spain</a> article. You notice the related pages in the bottom has a shortcut to <a href="/wiki/Solar_power_in_China" title="Solar power in China">solar power in China</a> article. But the shortcut is displaying a faulty icon because the article's first image is of a faulty graph. And that is <b>why it's particularly important that the first image needs to be at least functional.</b> Why must the article be given a faulty image shortcut, when you can correct that?<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SolarDGrayson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SolarDGrayson (page does not exist)">SolarDGrayson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SolarDGrayson" title="User talk:SolarDGrayson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-SolarDGrayson-20230627065700-SolarDGrayson-20230627041000-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:57, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627065700-SolarDGrayson-20230627041000-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627065700-SolarDGrayson-20230627041000-1"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627070300-SolarDGrayson-20230627041000"></span>And lastly I looked at the history log, <b>and the malfunctioning chart hasn't been fixed since 2 years ago</b>. It's not like it's going to be fixed anytime soon when 2 years has passed and nothing changed.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1027217448">[2]</a> Out of all the similar articles in Wikipedia, somehow only China is being singled out to not have a functional first image and that is wrong. Unless you want the article to continue to be flawed for another two years, I suggest either fixing the chart or removing it. And not just keeping it on without decent resolution. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SolarDGrayson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SolarDGrayson (page does not exist)">SolarDGrayson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SolarDGrayson" title="User talk:SolarDGrayson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-SolarDGrayson-20230627070300-SolarDGrayson-20230627041000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:03, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627070300-SolarDGrayson-20230627041000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627070300-SolarDGrayson-20230627041000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ita140188-20230627070800-Graphs_are_temporarily_unavailable_due_to_technical_issues."></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Chinese_Solar_Farm,_Golmud,_China_by_Planet_Labs.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Chinese_Solar_Farm%2C_Golmud%2C_China_by_Planet_Labs.jpg/220px-Chinese_Solar_Farm%2C_Golmud%2C_China_by_Planet_Labs.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="165" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Chinese_Solar_Farm%2C_Golmud%2C_China_by_Planet_Labs.jpg/330px-Chinese_Solar_Farm%2C_Golmud%2C_China_by_Planet_Labs.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Chinese_Solar_Farm%2C_Golmud%2C_China_by_Planet_Labs.jpg/440px-Chinese_Solar_Farm%2C_Golmud%2C_China_by_Planet_Labs.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3646" data-file-height="2734"/></a><figcaption>Golmud solar park</figcaption></figure> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SolarDGrayson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SolarDGrayson (page does not exist)">SolarDGrayson</a>:</span> If you are trying to open a discussion, it would be better to wait some time for people to read it before changing things. Graphs are temporarily unavailable only since April this year due to a security issue, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_205#Graph_extension_disabled_per_immediate_effect" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 205">Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_205#Graph_extension_disabled_per_immediate_effect</a>. They will not display even in the history because the visualization code itself has been disabled. They are planned to be reactivated within few months (the transition to a new version of the graph extension is underway). If we delete the code now, this will be likely lost forever. As for the solar potential, I don't think that map is a good image for the lead, as it doesn't tell much about what is the state of actual deployment in China (it may even be misleading). Also, it is already present in the correct section "Solar resources" in context. What about adding another lead image and keeping the graph as is after the image? Unfortunately there are not many options of nice solar pictures from China given the absence of Chinese contributors to Wikipedia, an option would be a view from space of one of the largest plants, for example the one in the picture. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ita140188" title="User:Ita140188">Ita140188</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ita140188" title="User talk:Ita140188">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-Ita140188-20230627070800-Graphs_are_temporarily_unavailable_due_to_technical_issues." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:08, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ita140188-20230627070800-Graphs_are_temporarily_unavailable_due_to_technical_issues."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ita140188-20230627070800-Graphs_are_temporarily_unavailable_due_to_technical_issues."></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627071200-Ita140188-20230627070800"></span>Yes, I agree with adding a functional first image. And I believe my solar potential map is a decent first image for the article. It's public domain and I noticed every single article about solar power in a certain country, also has a solar power potential mapping as their first lead picture. And why I suggest to copy that Style for this article and see no reason why China needs to be different from all the other similar articles. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SolarDGrayson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SolarDGrayson (page does not exist)">SolarDGrayson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SolarDGrayson" title="User talk:SolarDGrayson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-SolarDGrayson-20230627071200-Ita140188-20230627070800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:12, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627071200-Ita140188-20230627070800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627071200-Ita140188-20230627070800"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ita140188-20230627071500-SolarDGrayson-20230627071200"></span>Having solar resource maps in article leads for solar in country articles is by no means the standard. There are plenty of articles which have different images in the lead. (<a href="/wiki/Solar_power_in_Germany" title="Solar power in Germany">Solar power in Germany</a>, <a href="/wiki/Solar_power_in_India" title="Solar power in India">Solar power in India</a>, <a href="/wiki/Solar_power_in_South_Africa" title="Solar power in South Africa">Solar power in South Africa</a> etc.) Most of the times that image was chosen because no other image is present in the article at all, not because it's a good image for the lead. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ita140188" title="User:Ita140188">Ita140188</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ita140188" title="User talk:Ita140188">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-Ita140188-20230627071500-SolarDGrayson-20230627071200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ita140188-20230627071500-SolarDGrayson-20230627071200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ita140188-20230627071500-SolarDGrayson-20230627071200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627071700-Ita140188-20230627071500"></span>Exactly, you choose the best you can do. Why does <a href="/wiki/Solar_power_in_Italy" title="Solar power in Italy">solar power in Italy</a> or <a href="/wiki/Solar_power_in_Spain" title="Solar power in Spain">solar power in Spain</a> have solar power potential mapping as their first lead picture? It's better than no picture. Only China is made far worse and have no picture in its icon. And I believe such a picture of solar power potential mapping, is incredibly important and relevant as it demonstrates the ultimate potential for a country. Regardless unless you have a better picture, I think this is nitpicking and it's more than good enough. I find it to be very informative for a lead and it's much better than nothing or a malfunctioning graph. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SolarDGrayson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SolarDGrayson (page does not exist)">SolarDGrayson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SolarDGrayson" title="User talk:SolarDGrayson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-SolarDGrayson-20230627071700-Ita140188-20230627071500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:17, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627071700-Ita140188-20230627071500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627071700-Ita140188-20230627071500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ita140188-20230627072400-SolarDGrayson-20230627071700"></span>I did propose another picture, can you comment on it? <a href="/wiki/User:Ita140188" title="User:Ita140188">Ita140188</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ita140188" title="User talk:Ita140188">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-Ita140188-20230627072400-SolarDGrayson-20230627071700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:24, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ita140188-20230627072400-SolarDGrayson-20230627071700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ita140188-20230627072400-SolarDGrayson-20230627071700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627073400-Ita140188-20230627072400"></span>I really don't think that picture is right for the Lead picture. Honestly every birdseye view of (strictly solar only) farm looks like that, regardless of country, and it doesn't really give a lot of unique detailed information of the overall topic. Plus China has hydro-solar power plants too.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://interestingengineering.com/science/kela-pv-hydro-solar-power-plant-enters-full-operation-in-china">[3]</a> Not all their solar power plants look like your picture. It is really only appropriate for an article that is specifically about it. But for the article; "solar power in China", I believe that a map showing the consistent potential solar power generation areas within that entire country, is more than appropriate and befitting.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SolarDGrayson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SolarDGrayson (page does not exist)">SolarDGrayson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SolarDGrayson" title="User talk:SolarDGrayson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-SolarDGrayson-20230627073400-Ita140188-20230627072400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:34, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627073400-Ita140188-20230627072400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SolarDGrayson-20230627073400-Ita140188-20230627072400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JArthur1984-20230627143500-SolarDGrayson-20230627073400"></span>I agree with @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SolarDGrayson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SolarDGrayson (page does not exist)">SolarDGrayson</a>. Where we have a viable choice, the first picture should be functioning. A map of solar potential is likely more useful than a photo. This can always be re-assessed when graphs function again. <a href="/wiki/User:JArthur1984" title="User:JArthur1984">JArthur1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JArthur1984" title="User talk:JArthur1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-JArthur1984-20230627143500-SolarDGrayson-20230627073400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JArthur1984-20230627143500-SolarDGrayson-20230627073400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JArthur1984-20230627143500-SolarDGrayson-20230627073400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230702094400-JArthur1984-20230627143500"></span>Thanks JArthur1984. It seems like the other guy simply left the conversation and doesn't appear to want to come back, when no response was given for 5 days. But I responded to him within a few short minutes so it wasn't like I made him wait much. Regardless I am not going to continue to wait for him to respond in Talk, and wasn't suggesting to delete the chart anymore. Just to add a <i>functional</i> Lead picture and agree that an appropriate solar potential map is far more useful to readers than some birdseye photo. I don't see how anyone could have serious problems with an unique public domain informative picture and so am adding it in. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SolarDGrayson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SolarDGrayson (page does not exist)">SolarDGrayson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SolarDGrayson" title="User talk:SolarDGrayson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-SolarDGrayson-20230702094400-JArthur1984-20230627143500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SolarDGrayson-20230702094400-JArthur1984-20230627143500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SolarDGrayson-20230702094400-JArthur1984-20230627143500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ita140188-20230703081600-SolarDGrayson-20230702094400"></span>I don't see what should I have replied. I already gave my opinion on this. <a href="/wiki/User:Ita140188" title="User:Ita140188">Ita140188</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ita140188" title="User talk:Ita140188">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-Ita140188-20230703081600-SolarDGrayson-20230702094400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:16, 3 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ita140188-20230703081600-SolarDGrayson-20230702094400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ita140188-20230703081600-SolarDGrayson-20230702094400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JArthur1984-20230704141400-SolarDGrayson-20230702094400"></span>Yes, other editors are not obligated to keep replying once they have explained their view. It's often good to leave off after a while, as Talk pages can become unnecessarily contentious once editors are just re-stating the same positions.</dd> <dd>But on the substance, thank you for the edit, as I like having the map over the currently non functional graph. <a href="/wiki/User:JArthur1984" title="User:JArthur1984">JArthur1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JArthur1984" title="User talk:JArthur1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Solar_power_in_China#c-JArthur1984-20230704141400-SolarDGrayson-20230702094400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JArthur1984-20230704141400-SolarDGrayson-20230702094400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JArthur1984-20230704141400-SolarDGrayson-20230702094400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Solar_power_in_China&oldid=1207284782">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Solar_power_in_China&oldid=1207284782</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_energy_articles" title="Category:C-Class energy articles">C-Class energy articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_energy_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance energy articles">Mid-importance energy articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_China-related_articles" title="Category:C-Class China-related articles">C-Class China-related articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_China-related_articles" title="Category:Unknown-importance China-related articles">Unknown-importance China-related articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_China-related_articles_of_Unknown-importance" title="Category:C-Class China-related articles of Unknown-importance">C-Class China-related articles of Unknown-importance</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_China_articles" title="Category:WikiProject China articles">WikiProject China articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_Environment_articles" title="Category:C-Class Environment articles">C-Class Environment articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Environment_articles" title="Category:Unknown-importance Environment articles">Unknown-importance Environment articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 14 February 2024, at 12:17<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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