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href="#Category:Textlogos"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Category:Textlogos</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Category:Textlogos-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Opinions_on_Eurovision_logos_requested" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Opinions_on_Eurovision_logos_requested"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Opinions on Eurovision logos requested</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Opinions_on_Eurovision_logos_requested-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Non-US_law" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Non-US_law"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Non-US law</span> </div> </a> <span 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Use <bdi lang="en"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r588530194">.mw-parser-output .nowrap,.mw-parser-output .nowrap a:before,.mw-parser-output .nowrap .selflink:before{white-space:nowrap}</style><code class="nowrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_request" title="Template:Edit request">Edit request</a>}}</code></bdi> on this page to request an edit.</td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc" /> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="U.S._law_quote" data-mw-thread-id="h-U.S._law_quote-2007-04-27T15:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-U.S._law_quote-2007-04-27T15:08:00.000Z"></span>U.S. law quote<span data-mw-comment-end="h-U.S._law_quote-2007-04-27T15:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: U.S. law quote"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fred_Chess-2007-04-27T15:08:00.000Z-U.S._law_quote"></span>"Similarly, it is not possible to copyright common geometric figures or shapes such as the hexagon or the ellipse, a standard symbol such as an arrow or a five-pointed star. Likewise, mere coloration cannot support a copyright even though it may enhance the aesthetic appeal or commercial value of a work. For example, it is not possible to copyright a new version of a textile design merely because the colors of red and blue appearing in the design have been replaced by green and yellow, respectively. The same is true of a simple combination of a few standard symbols such as a circle, a star, and a triangle, with minor linear or spatial variations."<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://ipmall.info/hosted_resources/CopyrightCompendium/chapter_0500.asp">[1]</a> </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Fred_Chess" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fred Chess">Fred Chess</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Fred_Chess-2007-04-27T15:08:00.000Z-U.S._law_quote" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fred_Chess-2007-04-27T15:08:00.000Z-U.S._law_quote"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fred_Chess-2007-04-27T15:08:00.000Z-U.S._law_quote"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Term_of_design_patent?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Term_of_design_patent?-2008-01-01T15:17:00.000Z"><span id="Term_of_design_patent.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Term_of_design_patent?-2008-01-01T15:17:00.000Z"></span>Term of design patent?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Term_of_design_patent?-2008-01-01T15:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Term of design patent?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Damian_Yerrick-2008-01-01T15:17:00.000Z-Term_of_design_patent?"></span>From the template: </p> <dl><dd><i>Logos can be registered as design patents for a copyright-like protection.</i></dd></dl> <p>Should it be noted that design patents generally expire much sooner than copyrights? --<a href="/wiki/User:Damian_Yerrick" title="User:Damian Yerrick">Damian Yerrick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Damian_Yerrick" title="User talk:Damian Yerrick">☎</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Damian_Yerrick-2008-01-01T15:17:00.000Z-Term_of_design_patent?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 1 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Damian_Yerrick-2008-01-01T15:17:00.000Z-Term_of_design_patent?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Damian_Yerrick-2008-01-01T15:17:00.000Z-Term_of_design_patent?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rocket000-2008-03-01T05:03:00.000Z-Damian_Yerrick-2008-01-01T15:17:00.000Z"></span>I'm not familiar with "design patents" (vs. regular physical patents) but I think the trademark status is more important because it can be just as restrictive and never expire. - <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Rocket000-2008-03-01T05:03:00.000Z-Damian_Yerrick-2008-01-01T15:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rocket000-2008-03-01T05:03:00.000Z-Damian_Yerrick-2008-01-01T15:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rocket000-2008-03-01T05:03:00.000Z-Damian_Yerrick-2008-01-01T15:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Text_logos" data-mw-thread-id="h-Text_logos-2008-01-15T23:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Text_logos-2008-01-15T23:18:00.000Z"></span>Text logos<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Text_logos-2008-01-15T23:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Text logos"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yuval_Y-2008-01-15T23:18:00.000Z-Text_logos"></span>Is there any obligation of creating an svg version of Google, Flickr and such..? <a href="/wiki/User:Yuval_Y" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Yuval Y"><span style="color: #006600; font-weight: bold;">Yuval Y</span></a> § <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yuval_Y" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Yuval Y"><span style="color: #006600; font-weight: bold;">Chat</span></a> § <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Yuval_Y-2008-01-15T23:18:00.000Z-Text_logos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yuval_Y-2008-01-15T23:18:00.000Z-Text_logos"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yuval_Y-2008-01-15T23:18:00.000Z-Text_logos"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rocket000-2008-03-01T05:01:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2008-01-15T23:18:00.000Z"></span>Flickr should be fine, but Google's letters are too stylized to be ineligible. - <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Rocket000-2008-03-01T05:01:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2008-01-15T23:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rocket000-2008-03-01T05:01:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2008-01-15T23:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rocket000-2008-03-01T05:01:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2008-01-15T23:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elvey-2016-10-31T07:27:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-03-01T05:01:00.000Z"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Category:Google_logos" title="Category:Google logos">Category:Google_logos</a>. Not so, <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a>/Case.--<a href="/wiki/User:Elvey" title="User:Elvey">Elvey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elvey" title="User talk:Elvey"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Elvey-2016-10-31T07:27:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-03-01T05:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elvey-2016-10-31T07:27:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-03-01T05:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elvey-2016-10-31T07:27:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-03-01T05:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Stylized_text_logos" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stylized_text_logos-2008-01-16T12:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stylized_text_logos-2008-01-16T12:18:00.000Z"></span>Stylized text logos<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stylized_text_logos-2008-01-16T12:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Stylized text logos"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2008-01-16T12:18:00.000Z-Stylized_text_logos"></span>This templete is accepted for a <b>stylized</b> text logos? Some from they may be crafty to detect, for exemple if a logo based on non-latin alphabet (Greek, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic etc.) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User:Sergey kudryavtsev">Sergey kudryavtsev</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2008-01-16T12:18:00.000Z-Stylized_text_logos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2008-01-16T12:18:00.000Z-Stylized_text_logos"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2008-01-16T12:18:00.000Z-Stylized_text_logos"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnonMoos-2008-01-16T13:08:00.000Z-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2008-01-16T12:18:00.000Z"></span>If "stylized" means "artistically changed in a manner which allows full scope for individual creativity on the part of the person who devised the logo", then the answer is apparently not... <a href="/wiki/User:AnonMoos" title="User:AnonMoos">AnonMoos</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-AnonMoos-2008-01-16T13:08:00.000Z-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2008-01-16T12:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnonMoos-2008-01-16T13:08:00.000Z-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2008-01-16T12:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnonMoos-2008-01-16T13:08:00.000Z-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2008-01-16T12:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="PD-text" data-mw-thread-id="h-PD-text-2008-03-31T20:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-PD-text-2008-03-31T20:07:00.000Z"></span>PD-text<span data-mw-comment-end="h-PD-text-2008-03-31T20:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: PD-text"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rocket000-2008-03-31T20:07:00.000Z-PD-text"></span>I'm thinking about creating a new template for simple text that isn't a logo. It would categorize into <a href="/wiki/Category:PD_text" title="Category:PD text">Category:PD text</a> a subcategory of <a href="/wiki/Category:PD_ineligible" title="Category:PD ineligible">Category:PD ineligible</a>. I would also have <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-textlogo" title="Template:PD-textlogo"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{PD-textlogo}}</span></a> categorize into that also (or create another category). This would greatly help organize <a href="/wiki/Category:PD_ineligible" title="Category:PD ineligible">Category:PD ineligible</a>. Examples: <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:A-circumflex.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/A-circumflex.svg/20px-A-circumflex.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="31" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/A-circumflex.svg/30px-A-circumflex.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/A-circumflex.svg/40px-A-circumflex.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="26" data-file-height="40" /></a></span> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Additive_time_signature.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Additive_time_signature.svg/50px-Additive_time_signature.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Additive_time_signature.svg/75px-Additive_time_signature.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Additive_time_signature.svg/100px-Additive_time_signature.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="82" data-file-height="43" /></a></span> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Algeria1.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Algeria1.svg/50px-Algeria1.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Algeria1.svg/75px-Algeria1.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Algeria1.svg/100px-Algeria1.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="656" data-file-height="256" /></a></span> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Copyright.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Copyright.svg/30px-Copyright.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Copyright.svg/45px-Copyright.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Copyright.svg/60px-Copyright.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="197" data-file-height="197" /></a></span> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Cyrillic_Y.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Cyrillic_Y.png/30px-Cyrillic_Y.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Cyrillic_Y.png/45px-Cyrillic_Y.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Cyrillic_Y.png/60px-Cyrillic_Y.png 2x" data-file-width="613" data-file-height="613" /></a></span> </p><p>So is this a good idea? <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Rocket000-2008-03-31T20:07:00.000Z-PD-text" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rocket000-2008-03-31T20:07:00.000Z-PD-text"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rocket000-2008-03-31T20:07:00.000Z-PD-text"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnonMoos-2008-03-31T22:24:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-03-31T20:07:00.000Z"></span>Sounds reasonable... <a href="/wiki/User:AnonMoos" title="User:AnonMoos">AnonMoos</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-AnonMoos-2008-03-31T22:24:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-03-31T20:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnonMoos-2008-03-31T22:24:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-03-31T20:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnonMoos-2008-03-31T22:24:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-03-31T20:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rocket000-2008-03-31T23:43:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2008-03-31T22:24:00.000Z"></span>But why the ellipsis? :) I see <a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal Profil</a> just made <a href="/wiki/Category:PD_ancient_script" title="Category:PD ancient script">Category:PD ancient script</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Rocket000-2008-03-31T23:43:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2008-03-31T22:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rocket000-2008-03-31T23:43:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2008-03-31T22:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rocket000-2008-03-31T23:43:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2008-03-31T22:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lokal_Profil-2008-04-01T00:03:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-03-31T23:43:00.000Z"></span>Ellipsis? I created <a href="/wiki/Category:PD_ancient_script" title="Category:PD ancient script">Category:PD ancient script</a> because this template already existed and was a combination of PD-ineligible for the actual script and PD-self for the realisation of it. So I figured better with an own cat which can then be a subcat of both. PD-text would be quite usefull, would it also cover images like <a href="/wiki/File:A-5Spain.png" title="File:A-5Spain.png">Image:A-5Spain.png</a>? /<a href="/wiki/User:Lokal_Profil" title="User:Lokal Profil">Lokal</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lokal_Profil" title="Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil">_</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lokal_Profil" title="User talk:Lokal Profil">Profil</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Lokal_Profil-2008-04-01T00:03:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-03-31T23:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lokal_Profil-2008-04-01T00:03:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-03-31T23:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lokal_Profil-2008-04-01T00:03:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-03-31T23:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rocket000-2008-04-01T01:01:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2008-04-01T00:03:00.000Z"></span>I was referring to AnonMoos' "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ellipsis" class="extiw" title="w:ellipsis">...</a>" like he wasn't sure if it was good idea or something. I wasn't aware there was a template for ancient scripts already. And I wondered why you put it in PD-self. <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Rocket000-2008-04-01T01:01:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2008-04-01T00:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rocket000-2008-04-01T01:01:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2008-04-01T00:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rocket000-2008-04-01T01:01:00.000Z-Lokal_Profil-2008-04-01T00:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnonMoos-2008-04-01T04:07:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-03-31T23:43:00.000Z"></span>I meant that it sounds like a good idea, assuming that there aren't any relevant legal difficulties (for example, in some cases, the arrangement and concatenation of uncopyrightable font character shapes can result in a copyrightable whole, and I don't feel personally too confident about knowing the exact point when the uncopyrightable transitions into the copyrightable...). <a href="/wiki/User:AnonMoos" title="User:AnonMoos">AnonMoos</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-AnonMoos-2008-04-01T04:07:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-03-31T23:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnonMoos-2008-04-01T04:07:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-03-31T23:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnonMoos-2008-04-01T04:07:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-03-31T23:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removed_disclaimer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removed_disclaimer-2008-06-13T15:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removed_disclaimer-2008-06-13T15:03:00.000Z"></span>Removed disclaimer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removed_disclaimer-2008-06-13T15:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Removed disclaimer"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:03:00.000Z-Removed_disclaimer"></span>I've <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3APD-textlogo&diff=12207783&oldid=11153930">removed</a> a questionable disclaimer added without edit summary, discussion or statutory/adjudicated support. The disclaimer asserted applicability of this template <i>only</i> to "off-the-shelf" fonts (typefaces) - an assertion seeming patently false and unsupported by <i>Eltra Corp. vs. Ringer</i>, among others; verbiage of "off-the-shelf", further, is imprecise and undefined as to be unworkable. While there may be instances when typographic ornamentation is <i>so extreme</i> as to surpass the utilitarian aspects of the typeface and render this template inappropriate, those cases, if any, may be dealt with on a case by case basis at their respective talk pages or a deletion discussion. A blanket assertion, however, that would preclude this template's use on non "off-the-shelf" typefaces, again, does not appear supported. <a href="/wiki/User:Elcobbola" title="User:Elcobbola"><font color="red"><i><b>ЭLСОВВОLД</b></i></font></a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elcobbola" title="User talk:Elcobbola">talk</a></sub> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:03:00.000Z-Removed_disclaimer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:03:00.000Z-Removed_disclaimer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:03:00.000Z-Removed_disclaimer"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnonMoos-2008-06-13T15:13:00.000Z-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:03:00.000Z"></span>What I meant by "off-the-shelf" is that someone could put a corporate logo into a custom corporate logo font, but such a process of fontification would not somehow magically remove copyright from the corporate logo. If you quibble with the wording of the warning, then please discuss the matter here, but it -- or something very much like it -- is absolutely necessary, since previously people were claiming that such things as the E-bay logo (in all its multicolor overlapping glory) or the McDonald's arches fell under this template... <a href="/wiki/User:AnonMoos" title="User:AnonMoos">AnonMoos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnonMoos" title="User talk:AnonMoos">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-AnonMoos-2008-06-13T15:13:00.000Z-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnonMoos-2008-06-13T15:13:00.000Z-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnonMoos-2008-06-13T15:13:00.000Z-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:27:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2008-06-13T15:13:00.000Z"></span>I've removed the assertion. <i>It is false</i> and not supported by copyright law. We can work out an alternative disclaimer, but we shouldn't leave up information that is simply untrue. The disclaimer was added without the support of consensus, statutes or adjudicated decisions. <a href="/wiki/User:Elcobbola" title="User:Elcobbola"><font color="red"><i><b>ЭLСОВВОLД</b></i></font></a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elcobbola" title="User talk:Elcobbola">talk</a></sub> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:27:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2008-06-13T15:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:27:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2008-06-13T15:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:27:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2008-06-13T15:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnonMoos-2008-06-13T15:35:00.000Z-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:27:00.000Z"></span>Dude, if you have specific concrete ideas for improving or replacing the warning, then by all means bring them forth where they can be discussed -- but please DON'T simply delete the warning without offering any substitute or practical ideas for improvement -- since some form of strongly-worded warrning is <font color="#990000"><big><i><b>ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY FOR THIS PAGE</b></i></big></font> (since this template seems to be naturally strongly liable to misuse...). <a href="/wiki/User:AnonMoos" title="User:AnonMoos">AnonMoos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnonMoos" title="User talk:AnonMoos">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-AnonMoos-2008-06-13T15:35:00.000Z-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnonMoos-2008-06-13T15:35:00.000Z-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnonMoos-2008-06-13T15:35:00.000Z-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:39:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2008-06-13T15:35:00.000Z"></span>How very mature of you. I'll bring this up at the admin notice board. <a href="/wiki/User:Elcobbola" title="User:Elcobbola"><font color="red"><i><b>ЭLСОВВОLД</b></i></font></a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elcobbola" title="User talk:Elcobbola">talk</a></sub> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:39:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2008-06-13T15:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:39:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2008-06-13T15:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:39:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2008-06-13T15:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Giggy-2008-06-13T23:38:00.000Z-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:39:00.000Z"></span>I fail to see how a strong worded warning is (-allcaps) absolutely necessary for this page. It is fairly clear, per elcobbla, the relevant laws, and the template, that there isn't a restriction on font that you say there is. There was no reason to add a replacement when removing that warning. <i><a href="/wiki/User:Giggy" title="User:Giggy">giggy</a></i> <sub>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giggy" title="User talk:Giggy">:O</a>)</sub> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Giggy-2008-06-13T23:38:00.000Z-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Giggy-2008-06-13T23:38:00.000Z-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Giggy-2008-06-13T23:38:00.000Z-Elcobbola-2008-06-13T15:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnonMoos-2008-06-14T03:12:00.000Z-Giggy-2008-06-13T23:38:00.000Z"></span>I'm sorry, but some such strong warning is in fact necessary, since this template is especially liable to constant misuse. It would help matters if Elcobbola would play a constructive role in offereing suggestions for the improvement of the warning -- instead of the purely negativistic and destructive role which he has pursued on this page so far... <a href="/wiki/User:AnonMoos" title="User:AnonMoos">AnonMoos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnonMoos" title="User talk:AnonMoos">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-AnonMoos-2008-06-14T03:12:00.000Z-Giggy-2008-06-13T23:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnonMoos-2008-06-14T03:12:00.000Z-Giggy-2008-06-13T23:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnonMoos-2008-06-14T03:12:00.000Z-Giggy-2008-06-13T23:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elcobbola-2008-06-14T03:29:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2008-06-14T03:12:00.000Z"></span>No part of the warning is true. How can I be expected to offer an alternative when your interpretation is entirely false? Posting misinformation is not constructive; removing it is. <i> Your</i> disclaimer (no community consensus to add it) has already caused <a href="/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Image:Facebook.svg" title="Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Facebook.svg">collateral</a> damage. <a href="/wiki/User:Elcobbola" title="User:Elcobbola"><font color="red"><i><b>ЭLСОВВОLД</b></i></font></a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elcobbola" title="User talk:Elcobbola">talk</a></sub> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Elcobbola-2008-06-14T03:29:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2008-06-14T03:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:29, 14 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elcobbola-2008-06-14T03:29:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2008-06-14T03:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elcobbola-2008-06-14T03:29:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2008-06-14T03:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnonMoos-2008-06-16T09:36:00.000Z-Elcobbola-2008-06-14T03:29:00.000Z"></span>Whatever -- if it's not true that abstract font glyph shapes are uncopyrightable in the United States of America insofar as they are functional or "utilitarian" (i.e. used for their textual value, rather than as purely decorative or symbolic shapes), then I'm way off base. If it is true, then I'm basically correct (though there could always be further clarifications and improvements). You haven't shown that it's not true in any specific or comprehensible manner. Let's just reduce the matter to one very specific question: Has any court ruling or subsequently passed law overturned the following classic statement of legislative intent? --</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><i>A "typeface" can be defined as a set of letters, numbers, or other symbolic characters, whose forms are related by repeating design elements consistently applied in a notational system and are intended to be embodied in articles whose intrinsic utilitarian function is for use in composing text or other cognizable combinations of characters. The Committee does not regard the design of typeface, as thus defined, to be a copyrightable "pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work" within the meaning of this bill and the application of the dividing line in section 101.</i> -- H. R. Rep. No. 94-1476, 94th Congress, 2d Session at 55.</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>If this interpretation of the law has been overturned, please provide specific documentation of it. If this interpretation of the law has not been overturned, then I see very little problem with the warning at the top of this page (though no doubt its wording could be improved in details). <a href="/wiki/User:AnonMoos" title="User:AnonMoos">AnonMoos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnonMoos" title="User talk:AnonMoos">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-AnonMoos-2008-06-16T09:36:00.000Z-Elcobbola-2008-06-14T03:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:36, 16 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnonMoos-2008-06-16T09:36:00.000Z-Elcobbola-2008-06-14T03:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnonMoos-2008-06-16T09:36:00.000Z-Elcobbola-2008-06-14T03:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rocket000-2008-06-14T03:33:00.000Z-Removed_disclaimer"></span>Two issues here. 1.) A warning isn't "absolutely necessary". Even if everyone misused this template it still wouldn't be <i>necessary</i>, but probably a good idea. Still, "being a good idea" is an opinion so treat it one. 2.) This is a talk page; everyone's entitled to their opinion. Don't remove other people comments, but also don't put comments out of chronological order (i.e. putting it at the top) or make them appear to be representative of the community. If some type of warning should go on the template page, doc page, or in the template itself, then do it, but agree first. (Personally I oppose any kind of warning. I think the template speaks for itself.) <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Rocket000-2008-06-14T03:33:00.000Z-Removed_disclaimer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rocket000-2008-06-14T03:33:00.000Z-Removed_disclaimer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rocket000-2008-06-14T03:33:00.000Z-Removed_disclaimer"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jarekt-2008-06-14T04:26:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-06-14T03:33:00.000Z"></span>I think the brief warning, a check-list of what conditions have to be met to use the template, or two lists of examples of what can and can not be covered by this template should be put on this and many other license pages. I also do not think this template speaks for itself. It does not mention which country of origin the image has to be from, and I assume not all countries have such laws. It should also mention and link to specific articles related to fonts and shapes, so we can read it by ourselves. I do not think template should be mentioning wikipedia pages which could be changing but such link should be listed in the warning/discussion below the template.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jarekt" title="User:Jarekt">Jarekt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jarekt" title="User talk:Jarekt">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Jarekt-2008-06-14T04:26:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-06-14T03:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jarekt-2008-06-14T04:26:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-06-14T03:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jarekt-2008-06-14T04:26:00.000Z-Rocket000-2008-06-14T03:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rocket000-2008-06-14T21:32:00.000Z-Jarekt-2008-06-14T04:26:00.000Z"></span>License templates are not to educate you about how/when to use the template, but how/when to use the image. <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Rocket000-2008-06-14T21:32:00.000Z-Jarekt-2008-06-14T04:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:32, 14 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rocket000-2008-06-14T21:32:00.000Z-Jarekt-2008-06-14T04:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rocket000-2008-06-14T21:32:00.000Z-Jarekt-2008-06-14T04:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Flowcharts" data-mw-thread-id="h-Flowcharts-2009-07-07T23:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Flowcharts-2009-07-07T23:19:00.000Z"></span>Flowcharts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Flowcharts-2009-07-07T23:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Flowcharts"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OpinionPerson-2009-07-07T23:19:00.000Z-Flowcharts"></span>Hi, Would flowcharts meet the threshold to be copyrighted? Or would they be from copyright so that they can be included on wikimedia commons? <a href="/wiki/User:OpinionPerson" title="User:OpinionPerson">OpinionPerson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OpinionPerson" title="User talk:OpinionPerson"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-OpinionPerson-2009-07-07T23:19:00.000Z-Flowcharts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OpinionPerson-2009-07-07T23:19:00.000Z-Flowcharts"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OpinionPerson-2009-07-07T23:19:00.000Z-Flowcharts"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rocket000-2009-07-08T01:07:00.000Z-OpinionPerson-2009-07-07T23:19:00.000Z"></span>It depends on the flowchart. Copyright doesn't care <i>what</i> it is, but how original it is. If it's only a couple of basic shapes with plain text and arrows it should be ok. The correct template would be <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-ineligible" title="Template:PD-ineligible"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{PD-ineligible}}</span></a>, not this one. Remember that facts and ideas are not copyrighted only the expressions of them are. Sometimes it's hard to tell (and actually depends a lot on what country you're in) but if you're looking for an example, I would consider something like <a href="/wiki/File:IF-THEN-ELSE-END_flowchart.png" title="File:IF-THEN-ELSE-END flowchart.png">this</a> ineligible, but not something like <a href="/wiki/File:Cjsflowco.png" title="File:Cjsflowco.png">this</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Rocket000-2009-07-08T01:07:00.000Z-OpinionPerson-2009-07-07T23:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:07, 8 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rocket000-2009-07-08T01:07:00.000Z-OpinionPerson-2009-07-07T23:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rocket000-2009-07-08T01:07:00.000Z-OpinionPerson-2009-07-07T23:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OpinionPerson-2009-07-08T01:38:00.000Z-Flowcharts"></span>Yeah, it is only basic shapes with plain text and arrows. It is part of a PDF file which itself is copyrighted. The PDF file can be found here:</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://emofree.com/downloadeftmanual.asp">http://emofree.com/downloadeftmanual.asp</a> . It is on the very last page of the PDF file. <a href="/wiki/User:OpinionPerson" title="User:OpinionPerson">OpinionPerson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OpinionPerson" title="User talk:OpinionPerson"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-OpinionPerson-2009-07-08T01:38:00.000Z-Flowcharts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OpinionPerson-2009-07-08T01:38:00.000Z-Flowcharts"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OpinionPerson-2009-07-08T01:38:00.000Z-Flowcharts"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnmarkh-2016-02-28T20:40:00.000Z-Flowcharts"></span>The link to the pdf as of today doesn't work. Is there another version somewhere? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Johnmarkh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Johnmarkh (page does not exist)">Johnmarkh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnmarkh" title="User talk:Johnmarkh"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Johnmarkh-2016-02-28T20:40:00.000Z-Flowcharts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnmarkh-2016-02-28T20:40:00.000Z-Flowcharts"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnmarkh-2016-02-28T20:40:00.000Z-Flowcharts"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Logos,_public_domain,_move_to_commons" data-mw-thread-id="h-Logos,_public_domain,_move_to_commons-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z"><span id="Logos.2C_public_domain.2C_move_to_commons"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Logos,_public_domain,_move_to_commons-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z"></span>Logos, public domain, move to commons<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Logos,_public_domain,_move_to_commons-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Logos, public domain, move to commons"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:12:00.000Z-Logos,_public_domain,_move_to_commons"></span>I would like to nominate the following logos to be moved to commons as they aren't unique, they are just geometric shapes and text: </p> <ul><li><s><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Circuit_City_logo.svg" class="extiw" title="en:File:Circuit City logo.svg">en:File:Circuit City logo.svg</a> - simply a red circle with regular text in the center.</s><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></span></span> <b><bdi>Done</bdi></b> <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Case" title="User:Daniel Case">Daniel Case</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Case" title="User talk:Daniel Case"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:12:00.000Z-Logos,_public_domain,_move_to_commons" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:12:00.000Z-Logos,_public_domain,_move_to_commons"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:12:00.000Z-Logos,_public_domain,_move_to_commons"></span></li> <li><s><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Best_Buy_Logo.svg" class="extiw" title="en:File:Best Buy Logo.svg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:22:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:12:00.000Z"></span>en:File:Best Buy Logo.svg</a> - was brought to my attention this is unique because of the price tag design. Isn't this geometric shap that just happens to be the shape of a price tag. I don't see anything unique here, regular black capitalized text and a yellow shape with a small circle.</s><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></span></span> <b><bdi>Done</bdi></b> <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Case" title="User:Daniel Case">Daniel Case</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Case" title="User talk:Daniel Case"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:22:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:22:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:22:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:12:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><s><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Target_logo.svg" class="extiw" title="en:File:Target logo.svg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:30:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:12:00.000Z"></span>en:File:Target logo.svg</a> - this doesn't seem to be unique either, 2 red circles and red text.</s> <span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></span></span> <b><bdi>Done</bdi></b> <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Case" title="User:Daniel Case">Daniel Case</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Case" title="User talk:Daniel Case"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:30:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 30 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:30:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:30:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:12:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><s><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Target_old_logo.svg" class="extiw" title="en:File:Target old logo.svg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:36:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:12:00.000Z"></span>en:File:Target old logo.svg</a> - same as above</s> <span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></span></span> <b><bdi>Done</bdi></b> <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Case" title="User:Daniel Case">Daniel Case</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Case" title="User talk:Daniel Case"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:36:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:36:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:36:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2010-03-30T04:12:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Target_logo_(1968).png" class="extiw" title="en:File:Target logo (1968).png"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z-Logos,_public_domain,_move_to_commons"></span>en:File:Target logo (1968).png</a> - same as above, albeit its italicized text, but that in itself is hardly unique.</li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kmart_logo.svg" class="extiw" title="en:File:Kmart logo.svg">en:File:Kmart logo.svg</a> - hardly unique whatsoever. It is nothing but regular text.</li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kmart1990slogoPNG.PNG" class="extiw" title="en:File:Kmart1990slogoPNG.PNG">en:File:Kmart1990slogoPNG.PNG</a> - I'm willing to admit this is a little more unique, is it unique enough for copyright though?</li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bigkmart.png" class="extiw" title="en:File:Bigkmart.png">en:File:Bigkmart.png</a> same as above</li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kmart_australia.svg" class="extiw" title="en:File:Kmart australia.svg">en:File:Kmart australia.svg</a> - hardly unique again, nothing but regular text here.</li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lime_Kmart_chevron_proto.png" class="extiw" title="en:File:Lime Kmart chevron proto.png">en:File:Lime Kmart chevron proto.png</a> - again, maybe? i don't know.</li></ul> <p>Forgive me also, these are all on Wikipedia and I don't know how to make them link here in Commons. I'm sure there are a lot more logos, but rather than go excessive I wanted to list these examples first, then proceed from there. Username on Wikipedia is ejfetters. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.204.40.46" title="Special:Contributions/74.204.40.46">74.204.40.46</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z-Logos,_public_domain,_move_to_commons" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:44, 5 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z-Logos,_public_domain,_move_to_commons"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z-Logos,_public_domain,_move_to_commons"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Clindberg-2009-08-05T15:18:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z"></span>Fixed the links. In general, yes, to me those appear to be ineligible for copyright. They can be uploaded here manually, though changing the licenses on en-wiki (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-textlogo" class="extiw" title="en:Template:PD-textlogo">en:Template:PD-textlogo</a>) would be a good first step. <a href="/wiki/User:Clindberg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Clindberg">Carl Lindberg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Clindberg" title="User talk:Clindberg"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Clindberg-2009-08-05T15:18:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Clindberg-2009-08-05T15:18:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Clindberg-2009-08-05T15:18:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-74.204.40.46-2009-08-08T03:45:00.000Z-Clindberg-2009-08-05T15:18:00.000Z"></span>What license should they have? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.204.40.46" title="Special:Contributions/74.204.40.46">74.204.40.46</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-74.204.40.46-2009-08-08T03:45:00.000Z-Clindberg-2009-08-05T15:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:45, 8 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-74.204.40.46-2009-08-08T03:45:00.000Z-Clindberg-2009-08-05T15:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-74.204.40.46-2009-08-08T03:45:00.000Z-Clindberg-2009-08-05T15:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Template:PD-textlogo" title="Template:PD-textlogo"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rocket000-2009-08-08T04:06:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-08T03:45:00.000Z"></span>{{PD-textlogo}}</span></a>, but it seems someone over there is a little revert happy. I would just upload here first and then tag the ones on Wikipedia with {{<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ncd" class="extiw" title="w:Template:Ncd">ncd</a>}} <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Rocket000-2009-08-08T04:06:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-08T03:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:06, 8 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rocket000-2009-08-08T04:06:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-08T03:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rocket000-2009-08-08T04:06:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-08T03:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Clindberg-2010-03-30T13:57:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z"></span>You (<a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Case" title="User:Daniel Case">User:Daniel Case</a>) are uploading PNG images to Commons under a .svg filename... please upload the actual SVG source ;-) I fixed a couple. <a href="/wiki/User:Clindberg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Clindberg">Carl Lindberg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Clindberg" title="User talk:Clindberg"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Clindberg-2010-03-30T13:57:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Clindberg-2010-03-30T13:57:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Clindberg-2010-03-30T13:57:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Interkerkelijke_Omroep_Nederland_logo.gif" class="extiw" title="en:File:Interkerkelijke Omroep Nederland logo.gif"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SpeakFree-2011-06-05T17:24:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z"></span>en:File:Interkerkelijke Omroep Nederland logo.gif</a> - I already uploaded it to commons, its just a regular text but maybe you can merge it with the version on en.wikipedia.org. <a href="/wiki/User:SpeakFree" title="User:SpeakFree">SpeakFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SpeakFree" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:SpeakFree"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-SpeakFree-2011-06-05T17:24:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 5 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SpeakFree-2011-06-05T17:24:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SpeakFree-2011-06-05T17:24:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><br /> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Clindberg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Clindberg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elvey-2016-10-31T07:27:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z"></span>Carl Lindberg</a>, do you think <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Amgtv.PNG" class="extiw" title="w:File:Amgtv.PNG">w:File:Amgtv.PNG</a> should me moved from en? IIRC, the law says it doesn't matter how complex the type in a logo is, but our <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-textlogo" title="Template:PD-textlogo"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{PD-textlogo}}</span></a> doesn't say that. Being bold and tagging, but looking for a second opinion before actually moving; wondering if we should tweak the tag. --<a href="/wiki/User:Elvey" title="User:Elvey">Elvey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elvey" title="User talk:Elvey"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Elvey-2016-10-31T07:27:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elvey-2016-10-31T07:27:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elvey-2016-10-31T07:27:00.000Z-74.204.40.46-2009-08-05T06:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Second_opinion_on_logos" data-mw-thread-id="h-Second_opinion_on_logos-2009-09-22T01:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Second_opinion_on_logos-2009-09-22T01:52:00.000Z"></span>Second opinion on logos<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Second_opinion_on_logos-2009-09-22T01:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Second opinion on logos"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sligocki-2009-09-22T01:52:00.000Z-Second_opinion_on_logos"></span>Hi guys, I would like to use a number of transit logos on the article <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_rapid_transit_systems" class="extiw" title="en:Comparison of rapid transit systems">en:Comparison of rapid transit systems</a>, however it war recently brought to my attention that some of them are copyrighted. After having looked at many that are marked with this template, I think it also applies to others. Since I have no experience with this, can you guys give me a second opinion. Thanks! </p> <ul><li>I believe that these qualify as PD-textlogo: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lametro.svg" class="extiw" title="en:File:Lametro.svg">en:File:Lametro.svg</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MetroSP.png" class="extiw" title="en:File:MetroSP.png">en:File:MetroSP.png</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MTR_Corporation.svg" class="extiw" title="en:File:MTR Corporation.svg">en:File:MTR Corporation.svg</a></li> <li>I am not sure about these: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spb_metro_logo.svg" class="extiw" title="en:File:Spb metro logo.svg">en:File:Spb metro logo.svg</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shanghai_Metro_logo.svg" class="extiw" title="en:File:Shanghai Metro logo.svg">en:File:Shanghai Metro logo.svg</a></li> <li>I don't think that these do: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Beijing_Subway_logo.png" class="extiw" title="en:File:Beijing Subway logo.png">en:File:Beijing Subway logo.png</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TokyoMetro.svg" class="extiw" title="en:File:TokyoMetro.svg">en:File:TokyoMetro.svg</a></li></ul> <p>Cheers, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:sligocki" class="extiw" title="en:User:sligocki">sligocki</a> (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:sligocki" class="extiw" title="en:User talk:sligocki"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Sligocki-2009-09-22T01:52:00.000Z-Second_opinion_on_logos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:52, 22 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sligocki-2009-09-22T01:52:00.000Z-Second_opinion_on_logos"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sligocki-2009-09-22T01:52:00.000Z-Second_opinion_on_logos"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Clindberg-2009-09-22T04:38:00.000Z-Sligocki-2009-09-22T01:52:00.000Z"></span>Pretty sure those would all be fine in the U.S, which does not allow copyright on letters (even customized, stylized versions). A simple gradient is not enough either. I don't see any pictorial elements in any of the above images. However, some (most?) of those are from non-U.S. countries, and I have no clue about the practices there (which can be very very different). <a href="/wiki/User:Clindberg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Clindberg">Carl Lindberg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Clindberg" title="User talk:Clindberg"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Clindberg-2009-09-22T04:38:00.000Z-Sligocki-2009-09-22T01:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:38, 22 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Clindberg-2009-09-22T04:38:00.000Z-Sligocki-2009-09-22T01:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Clindberg-2009-09-22T04:38:00.000Z-Sligocki-2009-09-22T01:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amalthea-2009-11-08T23:42:00.000Z-Second_opinion_on_logos"></span>Here's one I can't believe is covered by this: </p> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Rihanna%27s_The_Wait_is_Ova.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Rihanna's The Wait is Ova.jpg (page does not exist)">File:Rihanna's The Wait is Ova.jpg</a></li></ul> <p>Can someone in the know give an informed opinion on where this ends? The metallic "R" is, it seems to me, <b>far</b> beyond "simple geometric shapes and text". Right? <a href="/wiki/User:Amalthea" title="User:Amalthea">Amalthea</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amalthea" title="User talk:Amalthea"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Amalthea-2009-11-08T23:42:00.000Z-Second_opinion_on_logos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:42, 8 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amalthea-2009-11-08T23:42:00.000Z-Second_opinion_on_logos"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amalthea-2009-11-08T23:42:00.000Z-Second_opinion_on_logos"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Some_clarifiation_I_did." data-mw-thread-id="h-Some_clarifiation_I_did.-2010-04-27T01:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Some_clarifiation_I_did.-2010-04-27T01:24:00.000Z"></span>Some clarifiation I did.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Some_clarifiation_I_did.-2010-04-27T01:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Some clarifiation I did."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Retro00064-2010-04-27T01:24:00.000Z-Some_clarifiation_I_did."></span>This template's text looked like it needed some clarification, so I clarified it a bit. Go see for yourself. [|<a href="/wiki/User:Retro00064" title="User:Retro00064">Retro00064</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Retro00064" title="User talk:Retro00064">☎talk</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Retro00064" title="Special:Contributions/Retro00064">✍contribs</a>|] <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Retro00064-2010-04-27T01:24:00.000Z-Some_clarifiation_I_did." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:24, 27 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Retro00064-2010-04-27T01:24:00.000Z-Some_clarifiation_I_did."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Retro00064-2010-04-27T01:24:00.000Z-Some_clarifiation_I_did."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Discussion_on_en.wikipedia_--_Commons_people's_input_needed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_on_en.wikipedia_--_Commons_people's_input_needed-2010-05-14T13:35:00.000Z"><span id="Discussion_on_en.wikipedia_--_Commons_people.27s_input_needed"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_on_en.wikipedia_--_Commons_people's_input_needed-2010-05-14T13:35:00.000Z"></span>Discussion on en.wikipedia -- Commons people's input needed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_on_en.wikipedia_--_Commons_people's_input_needed-2010-05-14T13:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Discussion on en.wikipedia -- Commons people's input needed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jheald-2010-05-14T13:35:00.000Z-Discussion_on_en.wikipedia_--_Commons_people's_input_needed"></span>There's a spirited discussion currently going on at en.wiki, at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content/Archive_46#Considering_Threshold_of_Originality_-_defining_a_tighter_line" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia talk:Non-free content/Archive 46">en:Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content/Archive_46#Considering_Threshold_of_Originality_-_defining_a_tighter_line</a>, as to </p> <ul><li>whether to define a more narrow, more strict bright-line test to allow as free under <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-textlogo" title="Template:PD-textlogo"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{PD-textlogo}}</span></a> <i>only</i> a narrowly-definable subset of images which it is absolutely certain are PD, and on a precautionary basis to mark everything else as non-free, even if it <i>might</i> be free; and</li> <li>whether or not it is worth trying to seek expert legal opinion as to where any such line should be drawn.</li></ul> <p>Input from Commons people would be welcome, as it would be pretty much essential to have en-wiki and Commons aligned on this. <a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald">Jheald</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jheald" title="User talk:Jheald"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Jheald-2010-05-14T13:35:00.000Z-Discussion_on_en.wikipedia_--_Commons_people's_input_needed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jheald-2010-05-14T13:35:00.000Z-Discussion_on_en.wikipedia_--_Commons_people's_input_needed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jheald-2010-05-14T13:35:00.000Z-Discussion_on_en.wikipedia_--_Commons_people's_input_needed"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Textlogos" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Textlogos-2010-12-18T18:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Textlogos-2010-12-18T18:27:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Category:Textlogos" title="Category:Textlogos">Category:Textlogos</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Textlogos-2010-12-18T18:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Category:Textlogos"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Leyo-2010-12-18T18:27:00.000Z-Category:Textlogos"></span>What about automatically categorizing logos with <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-textlogo" title="Template:PD-textlogo"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{PD-textlogo}}</span></a> in <a href="/wiki/Category:Textlogos" title="Category:Textlogos">Category:Textlogos</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Leyo" title="User:Leyo">Leyo</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Leyo-2010-12-18T18:27:00.000Z-Category:Textlogos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 18 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Leyo-2010-12-18T18:27:00.000Z-Category:Textlogos"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Leyo-2010-12-18T18:27:00.000Z-Category:Textlogos"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Multichill-2010-12-27T14:15:00.000Z-Leyo-2010-12-18T18:27:00.000Z"></span>Using a template to add a topic category is bad practice. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Multichill-2010-12-27T14:15:00.000Z-Leyo-2010-12-18T18:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:15, 27 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Multichill-2010-12-27T14:15:00.000Z-Leyo-2010-12-18T18:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Multichill-2010-12-27T14:15:00.000Z-Leyo-2010-12-18T18:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Leyo-2010-12-27T14:25:00.000Z-Multichill-2010-12-27T14:15:00.000Z"></span>In principle I agree. However, in this case I wouldn't call the category a real “topic category”. What about adding <a href="/wiki/Category:Textlogos" title="Category:Textlogos">Category:Textlogos</a> to all tagged files by bot? --<a href="/wiki/User:Leyo" title="User:Leyo">Leyo</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Leyo-2010-12-27T14:25:00.000Z-Multichill-2010-12-27T14:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 27 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Leyo-2010-12-27T14:25:00.000Z-Multichill-2010-12-27T14:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Leyo-2010-12-27T14:25:00.000Z-Multichill-2010-12-27T14:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Opinions_on_Eurovision_logos_requested" data-mw-thread-id="h-Opinions_on_Eurovision_logos_requested-2010-12-24T12:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Opinions_on_Eurovision_logos_requested-2010-12-24T12:34:00.000Z"></span>Opinions on Eurovision logos requested<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Opinions_on_Eurovision_logos_requested-2010-12-24T12:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Opinions on Eurovision logos requested"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CT_Cooper-2010-12-24T12:34:00.000Z-Opinions_on_Eurovision_logos_requested"></span>Previously the English Wikipedia has treated logos for the Eurovision Song Contest as copyrighted and have only uploaded them locally as non-free content, see for example <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ESC_2011_Germany.svg" class="extiw" title="w:File:ESC 2011 Germany.svg">w:File:ESC 2011 Germany.svg</a>. However, recently users have started uploading Eurovision logos to Commons using this template. Since there are many such Eurovision logos that could potentially be uploaded here for every year of the content, I would appreciate confirmation that they are appropriate for Commons. Are these Eurovision logo uploads at <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Eurovision_Song_Contest_2011_logo.svg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Eurovision Song Contest 2011 logo.svg (page does not exist)">File:Eurovision Song Contest 2011 logo.svg</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Logo_of_ESC_2011_.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Logo of ESC 2011 .jpg (page does not exist)">File:Logo of ESC 2011 .jpg</a> simple enough to not meet the threshold of originality? <a href="/wiki/User:CT_Cooper" class="mw-redirect" title="User:CT Cooper">CT Cooper</a><small><span style="font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CT_Cooper" title="User talk:CT Cooper">talk</a></small> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-CT_Cooper-2010-12-24T12:34:00.000Z-Opinions_on_Eurovision_logos_requested" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:34, 24 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CT_Cooper-2010-12-24T12:34:00.000Z-Opinions_on_Eurovision_logos_requested"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CT_Cooper-2010-12-24T12:34:00.000Z-Opinions_on_Eurovision_logos_requested"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Clindberg-2010-12-24T14:34:00.000Z-CT_Cooper-2010-12-24T12:34:00.000Z"></span>I think so. Only thing for the U.S. I think is maybe the hand-drawn heart, but that is a stretch -- just a minor variation on a common symbol. The rest is centered letters. Germany actually has a much, much higher threshold when it comes to trademarked logos (see <a href="/wiki/Threshold_of_originality#Germany" class="mw-redirect" title="Threshold of originality">Threshold of originality#Germany</a>), so I don't think it's an issue there either. <a href="/wiki/User:Clindberg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Clindberg">Carl Lindberg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Clindberg" title="User talk:Clindberg"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Clindberg-2010-12-24T14:34:00.000Z-CT_Cooper-2010-12-24T12:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 24 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Clindberg-2010-12-24T14:34:00.000Z-CT_Cooper-2010-12-24T12:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Clindberg-2010-12-24T14:34:00.000Z-CT_Cooper-2010-12-24T12:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CT_Cooper-2010-12-24T22:30:00.000Z-Clindberg-2010-12-24T14:34:00.000Z"></span>Yes, I think they will be okay as well. Thanks for your feedback. <a href="/wiki/User:CT_Cooper" class="mw-redirect" title="User:CT Cooper">CT Cooper</a><small><span style="font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CT_Cooper" title="User talk:CT Cooper">talk</a></small> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-CT_Cooper-2010-12-24T22:30:00.000Z-Clindberg-2010-12-24T14:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 24 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CT_Cooper-2010-12-24T22:30:00.000Z-Clindberg-2010-12-24T14:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CT_Cooper-2010-12-24T22:30:00.000Z-Clindberg-2010-12-24T14:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Non-US_law" data-mw-thread-id="h-Non-US_law-2011-01-21T16:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Non-US_law-2011-01-21T16:11:00.000Z"></span>Non-US law<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Non-US_law-2011-01-21T16:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Non-US law"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SpeakFree-2011-01-21T16:11:00.000Z-Non-US_law"></span>Is the use of simple figures and text allowed in non-US jurisdictions? Remember commons is also used for other language versions than English (and even the English speaking world is wider than the US alone). <a href="/wiki/User:SpeakFree" title="User:SpeakFree">SpeakFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SpeakFree" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:SpeakFree"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-SpeakFree-2011-01-21T16:11:00.000Z-Non-US_law" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 21 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SpeakFree-2011-01-21T16:11:00.000Z-Non-US_law"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SpeakFree-2011-01-21T16:11:00.000Z-Non-US_law"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Leyo-2011-01-21T16:41:00.000Z-SpeakFree-2011-01-21T16:11:00.000Z"></span>German speaking countries: <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch%C3%B6pfungsh%C3%B6he" class="extiw" title="de:Schöpfungshöhe">yes</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Leyo" title="User:Leyo">Leyo</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Leyo-2011-01-21T16:41:00.000Z-SpeakFree-2011-01-21T16:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 21 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Leyo-2011-01-21T16:41:00.000Z-SpeakFree-2011-01-21T16:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Leyo-2011-01-21T16:41:00.000Z-SpeakFree-2011-01-21T16:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Takabeg-2012-01-08T01:56:00.000Z-Leyo-2011-01-21T16:41:00.000Z"></span>According to the Japanese Copyright Law, yes. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.courts.go.jp/hanrei/pdf/8EFE76CB704FE42A49256A77000EC30F.pdf">A well-known judicial precedent</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Takabeg" title="User:Takabeg">Takabeg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Takabeg" title="User talk:Takabeg"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Takabeg-2012-01-08T01:56:00.000Z-Leyo-2011-01-21T16:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 8 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Takabeg-2012-01-08T01:56:00.000Z-Leyo-2011-01-21T16:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Takabeg-2012-01-08T01:56:00.000Z-Leyo-2011-01-21T16:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Takabeg-2012-01-08T01:56:00.000Z-Takabeg-2012-01-08T01:56:00.000Z"></span>According to the Turkish Copyright Law, no. There is no legal basis. <a href="/wiki/User:Takabeg" title="User:Takabeg">Takabeg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Takabeg" title="User talk:Takabeg"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Takabeg-2012-01-08T01:56:00.000Z-Takabeg-2012-01-08T01:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 8 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Takabeg-2012-01-08T01:56:00.000Z-Takabeg-2012-01-08T01:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Takabeg-2012-01-08T01:56:00.000Z-Takabeg-2012-01-08T01:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="internationalization" data-mw-thread-id="h-internationalization-2011-06-10T18:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-internationalization-2011-06-10T18:58:00.000Z"></span>internationalization<span data-mw-comment-end="h-internationalization-2011-06-10T18:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: internationalization"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jarekt-2011-06-10T18:58:00.000Z-internationalization"></span>I just noticed that most of the language sub-templates do not use <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-textlogo/layout" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:PD-textlogo/layout"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{PD-textlogo/layout}}</span></a>, so changes to layout are not reflected. This should be fixed. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jarekt" title="User:Jarekt">Jarekt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jarekt" title="User talk:Jarekt"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Jarekt-2011-06-10T18:58:00.000Z-internationalization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 10 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jarekt-2011-06-10T18:58:00.000Z-internationalization"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jarekt-2011-06-10T18:58:00.000Z-internationalization"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What_about_PD-font?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_about_PD-font?-2011-10-10T19:34:00.000Z"><span id="What_about_PD-font.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_about_PD-font?-2011-10-10T19:34:00.000Z"></span>What about PD-font?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_about_PD-font?-2011-10-10T19:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: What about PD-font?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trlkly-2011-10-10T19:34:00.000Z-What_about_PD-font?"></span>How does this line up with <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-font" title="Template:PD-font">template:PD-font</a>, which says that SVG versions that contain just text are nonfree? I see quite a few SVGs tagged with this that are just text. And, in fact, I was considering uploading such an SVG myself. </p><p>(Personally, I think the case law is being misapplied, as it only applied to actual fonts and not to images, and only applies because the exact points were copied verbatim, which does not happen in SVG. But the point is that you have two inconsistent templates.) </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Trlkly" title="User:Trlkly">Trlkly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trlkly" title="User talk:Trlkly"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Trlkly-2011-10-10T19:34:00.000Z-What_about_PD-font?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 10 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trlkly-2011-10-10T19:34:00.000Z-What_about_PD-font?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trlkly-2011-10-10T19:34:00.000Z-What_about_PD-font?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Clindberg-2011-10-10T23:50:00.000Z-Trlkly-2011-10-10T19:34:00.000Z"></span>PD-font is about bitmap font representations, which have some pretty solid case law as not being copyrighted. The law specifies "typeface as typeface" is not copyrightable; Congress has always been fairly definite about not granting copyright to typeface design (it was considered and explicitly rejected; there was even a failed international convention on the matter). That "typeface as typeface" phrase is a bit odd and not quite defined; however, modern computer fonts are considered computer programs and protected that way, since the 1980s sometime. The Copyright Office still maintained that kerning, hinting, and other non-outline materials in the font were the elements that elevated it to a program, and there were some court cases where fonts were converted from one format to another and renamed, which resulted in derivative works judgements. There is one court case however where someone took only the outline data from a font and used it to make a new one, and the judge ruled that <i>not</i> OK -- slightly at odds with the computer program vs typeface logic, but the judge felt that was too much out of bounds. However, generating a bitmap, then using that bitmap to trace vectors from, has been ruled OK I think (this is in the U.S.). So, courts do seem to allow typeface as software, or something like that, but definitely not bitmaps. It does seem clear that any *use* of a font, i.e. to be read as words or at least letters (say in a logo) should not be a problem, even vector ones. It does however get dicier when you are dealing with font example sheets, particularly ones which contain every glyph in the font, as that could be seen as a vehicle to be used to make a copy of a font -- bitmaps are on fairly safe ground, but vectors like SVGs are a lot more of a gray area. UK law is more explicit and I think similar, except I don't think they have the bitmap loophole -- if you use the elements of one font to create another, even going through bitmaps, that may be an issue. However, any <i>usage</i> of a font is fine; they are not infringing on the font. The UK sections of law are <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/54">here</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/55">here</a>.</dd> <dd>In short, to me PD-textlogo is mainly for logos and other <i>uses</i> of fonts for their intended purpose (i.e. things where the letters mean something); PD-font is more for specially trading on the U.S. bitmap rulings when it comes to letters (and could also cover font example sheets, which are not really <i>uses</i> of the font). SVG font example sheets are something more of a gray area, I think, though still possibly OK. <a href="/wiki/User:Clindberg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Clindberg">Carl Lindberg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Clindberg" title="User talk:Clindberg"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Clindberg-2011-10-10T23:50:00.000Z-Trlkly-2011-10-10T19:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Clindberg-2011-10-10T23:50:00.000Z-Trlkly-2011-10-10T19:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Clindberg-2011-10-10T23:50:00.000Z-Trlkly-2011-10-10T19:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trlkly-2011-10-11T08:34:00.000Z-Clindberg-2011-10-10T23:50:00.000Z"></span>Okay, cool. That's actually what I thought. But I think that means that PD-font should be rewritten somewhat to be more clear. I also see it attached to files that should be either PD-textlogo or <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-text" title="Template:PD-text">PD-text</a>. In fact, such a case is the reason I brought it up in the first place: A JPEG file I am replacing uses PD-font when it's clearly a logo.</dd> <dd>Thanks again for the information. I just hope we can figure out how to make that more clear to uploaders. <a href="/wiki/User:Trlkly" title="User:Trlkly">Trlkly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trlkly" title="User talk:Trlkly"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Trlkly-2011-10-11T08:34:00.000Z-Clindberg-2011-10-10T23:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:34, 11 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trlkly-2011-10-11T08:34:00.000Z-Clindberg-2011-10-10T23:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trlkly-2011-10-11T08:34:00.000Z-Clindberg-2011-10-10T23:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Clindberg-2011-10-11T13:46:00.000Z-Trlkly-2011-10-11T08:34:00.000Z"></span>There is probably some overlap ;-) A bitmap logo of nothing but letters from a font probably could use either tag, though PD-textlogo is probably better. They both come from different aspects of the same part of the law, I guess, so not too surprising. <a href="/wiki/User:Clindberg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Clindberg">Carl Lindberg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Clindberg" title="User talk:Clindberg"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Clindberg-2011-10-11T13:46:00.000Z-Trlkly-2011-10-11T08:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 11 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Clindberg-2011-10-11T13:46:00.000Z-Trlkly-2011-10-11T08:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Clindberg-2011-10-11T13:46:00.000Z-Trlkly-2011-10-11T08:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-182.12.49.180-2012-08-30T13:35:00.000Z-Clindberg-2011-10-11T13:46:00.000Z"></span>Okay. I know about PD-textlogo and PD-font. Thanks :) and Thank you.:-)--<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/182.12.49.180" title="Special:Contributions/182.12.49.180">182.12.49.180</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-182.12.49.180-2012-08-30T13:35:00.000Z-Clindberg-2011-10-11T13:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 30 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-182.12.49.180-2012-08-30T13:35:00.000Z-Clindberg-2011-10-11T13:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-182.12.49.180-2012-08-30T13:35:00.000Z-Clindberg-2011-10-11T13:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Usage_issue" data-mw-thread-id="h-Usage_issue-2013-07-03T18:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Usage_issue-2013-07-03T18:25:00.000Z"></span>Usage issue<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Usage_issue-2013-07-03T18:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Usage issue"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elvey-2013-07-03T18:25:00.000Z-Usage_issue"></span>Should we make this edit? s/This image/The text or logo in this image/ The usage of this template at <a class="external free" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Coca-Cola_Glas_mit_Eis.jpg">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Coca-Cola_Glas_mit_Eis.jpg</a> doesn't quite work. Other ideas? Make it context-sensitive? --<a href="/wiki/User:Elvey" title="User:Elvey">Elvey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elvey" title="User talk:Elvey"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Elvey-2013-07-03T18:25:00.000Z-Usage_issue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 3 July 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elvey-2013-07-03T18:25:00.000Z-Usage_issue"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elvey-2013-07-03T18:25:00.000Z-Usage_issue"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elvey-2016-10-31T07:27:00.000Z-Elvey-2013-07-03T18:25:00.000Z"></span>Bump.--<a href="/wiki/User:Elvey" title="User:Elvey">Elvey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elvey" title="User talk:Elvey"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Elvey-2016-10-31T07:27:00.000Z-Elvey-2013-07-03T18:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elvey-2016-10-31T07:27:00.000Z-Elvey-2013-07-03T18:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elvey-2016-10-31T07:27:00.000Z-Elvey-2013-07-03T18:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_request-2015-02-17T21:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_request-2015-02-17T21:02:00.000Z"></span>Edit request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_request-2015-02-17T21:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Edit request"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_request" title="Template:Edit request"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Granger-2015-02-17T21:02:00.000Z-Edit_request"></span>{{Edit request}}</span></a> </p><p>Please update the link to the English Wikipedia so that it points to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain#Fonts_and_typefaces" class="extiw" title="w:Wikipedia:Public domain">WP:PD#Fonts and typefaces</a> instead of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain#Fonts" class="extiw" title="w:Wikipedia:Public domain">WP:PD#Fonts</a>. Thank you! —<a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Granger" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mr. Granger">Mr. Granger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Granger" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Mr. Granger">talk</a> <span style="white-space:nowrap"> <b>·</b></span> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mr._Granger" title="Special:Contributions/Mr. Granger">contribs</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Mr._Granger-2015-02-17T21:02:00.000Z-Edit_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 17 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Granger-2015-02-17T21:02:00.000Z-Edit_request"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Granger-2015-02-17T21:02:00.000Z-Edit_request"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_ed17-2015-03-12T23:25:00.000Z-Mr._Granger-2015-02-17T21:02:00.000Z"></span>Is any administrator going to do this? <a href="/wiki/User:The_ed17" title="User:The ed17">Ed</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_ed17" title="User talk:The ed17">[talk]</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:OMT" class="extiw" title="en:WP:OMT">[en:majestic titan]</a></sup> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-The_ed17-2015-03-12T23:25:00.000Z-Mr._Granger-2015-02-17T21:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:25, 12 March 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_ed17-2015-03-12T23:25:00.000Z-Mr._Granger-2015-02-17T21:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_ed17-2015-03-12T23:25:00.000Z-Mr._Granger-2015-02-17T21:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Didym-2015-03-12T23:35:00.000Z-The_ed17-2015-03-12T23:25:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></span></span> <b><bdi>Done</bdi></b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Didym" title="User:Didym">Didym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Didym" title="User talk:Didym"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Didym-2015-03-12T23:35:00.000Z-The_ed17-2015-03-12T23:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:35, 12 March 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Didym-2015-03-12T23:35:00.000Z-The_ed17-2015-03-12T23:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Didym-2015-03-12T23:35:00.000Z-The_ed17-2015-03-12T23:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="PD_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-PD_question-2015-04-05T15:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-PD_question-2015-04-05T15:46:00.000Z"></span>PD question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-PD_question-2015-04-05T15:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: PD question"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atlantic_Star_France_and_Germany_Clasp.jpg" class="extiw" title="en:File:Atlantic Star France and Germany Clasp.jpg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robman94-2015-04-05T15:46:00.000Z-PD_question"></span>This image</a> exists on the English wiki and is being treated as "fair use" and has even been flagged for deletion. It is a picture of a clasp that only contains the text "FRANCE AND GERMANY". Would this fall under the terms of PD-textlogo or maybe another PD template, or does the fact that it's a picture of an object rather than a generated image make a difference? <a href="/wiki/User:Robman94" title="User:Robman94">Robman94</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robman94" title="User talk:Robman94"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Robman94-2015-04-05T15:46:00.000Z-PD_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 5 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robman94-2015-04-05T15:46:00.000Z-PD_question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robman94-2015-04-05T15:46:00.000Z-PD_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stefan4-2015-04-20T16:47:00.000Z-Robman94-2015-04-05T15:46:00.000Z"></span>The file has been deleted, so I'm not sure what the file looked like, but the filename suggests that it is a photograph of a 3D object. If that is case, the file is unfree per <a href="/wiki/Commons:ART#Photograph_of_an_old_coin_found_on_the_Internet" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:ART">COM:ART#Photograph of an old coin found on the Internet</a>, unless the photographer has licensed the photograph. Maybe <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">User:Diannaa</a>, who deleted the file on Wikipedia, could tell what the file looks like. --<a href="/wiki/User:Stefan4" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Stefan4">Stefan4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stefan4" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Stefan4"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Stefan4-2015-04-20T16:47:00.000Z-Robman94-2015-04-05T15:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 20 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stefan4-2015-04-20T16:47:00.000Z-Robman94-2015-04-05T15:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stefan4-2015-04-20T16:47:00.000Z-Robman94-2015-04-05T15:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-2015-04-20T18:48:00.000Z-Stefan4-2015-04-20T16:47:00.000Z"></span>The object looks like figure 6 on <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.rogersstudy.co.uk/medals/ww2_stars/bob_clasps_identifying_copies/bob_clasps_identifying_copies.htm">this page</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa" title="User talk:Diannaa"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Diannaa-2015-04-20T18:48:00.000Z-Stefan4-2015-04-20T16:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 20 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-2015-04-20T18:48:00.000Z-Stefan4-2015-04-20T16:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-2015-04-20T18:48:00.000Z-Stefan4-2015-04-20T16:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_request_on_9_September_2015" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_request_on_9_September_2015-2015-09-09T21:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_request_on_9_September_2015-2015-09-09T21:42:00.000Z"></span>Edit request on 9 September 2015<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_request_on_9_September_2015-2015-09-09T21:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Edit request on 9 September 2015"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_request" title="Template:Edit request"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Voidxor-2015-09-09T21:42:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_9_September_2015"></span>{{Edit request}}</span></a> </p><p>In the English-language version of this template, replace the text "and/or" with simply "or" per <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS:ANDOR" class="extiw" title="w:MOS:ANDOR">w:MOS:ANDOR</a>. I know that's an English Wikipedia style guideline, but it ought to apply across all project wikis, especially on something as highly visible as this one, which does appear on English Wikipedia file pages too. Thanks! – <kbd><a href="/wiki/User:Voidxor" title="User:Voidxor"><span style="color: #00F">void</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Voidxor" title="User talk:Voidxor"><span style="color: #000">xor</span></a></kbd> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Voidxor-2015-09-09T21:42:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_9_September_2015" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 9 September 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Voidxor-2015-09-09T21:42:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_9_September_2015"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Voidxor-2015-09-09T21:42:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_9_September_2015"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jarekt-2015-10-30T11:41:00.000Z-Voidxor-2015-09-09T21:42:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></span></span> <b><bdi>Done</bdi></b>--<a href="/wiki/User:Jarekt" title="User:Jarekt">Jarekt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jarekt" title="User talk:Jarekt"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Jarekt-2015-10-30T11:41:00.000Z-Voidxor-2015-09-09T21:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 30 October 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jarekt-2015-10-30T11:41:00.000Z-Voidxor-2015-09-09T21:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jarekt-2015-10-30T11:41:00.000Z-Voidxor-2015-09-09T21:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question-2016-10-29T17:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question-2016-10-29T17:23:00.000Z"></span>Question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question-2016-10-29T17:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Question"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tiktomoro-2016-10-29T17:23:00.000Z-Question"></span>Halo. I want to upload the SVG version of: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/File:EtihadAirways-AbuDhabi-MasterLogo-Eng.jpg" title="File:EtihadAirways-AbuDhabi-MasterLogo-Eng.jpg">File:EtihadAirways-AbuDhabi-MasterLogo-Eng.jpg</a>,</li> <li><a href="/wiki/File:Logo_Etihad_Regional.png" title="File:Logo Etihad Regional.png">File:Logo Etihad Regional.png</a>,</li> <li><a href="/wiki/File:Spirit_airlines_logo14.png" title="File:Spirit airlines logo14.png">File:Spirit airlines logo14.png</a>,</li> <li><a href="/wiki/File:Frontier_airlines_logo14.png" title="File:Frontier airlines logo14.png">File:Frontier airlines logo14.png</a>,</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:WestJet_new_logo.png&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:WestJet new logo.png (page does not exist)">File:WestJet new logo.png</a>, and</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Logo_pindad.png&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Logo pindad.png (page does not exist)">File:Logo pindad.png</a>,</li></ul> <p>but I doubt about the copyright. Is this template fit to the SVG version of those files? Or is it possible if I upload it to commons, or not? <a href="/wiki/User:Tiktomoro" title="User:Tiktomoro">Tiktomoro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tiktomoro" title="User talk:Tiktomoro"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Tiktomoro-2016-10-29T17:23:00.000Z-Question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 29 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tiktomoro-2016-10-29T17:23:00.000Z-Question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tiktomoro-2016-10-29T17:23:00.000Z-Question"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Logo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Logo-2017-12-14T15:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Logo-2017-12-14T15:13:00.000Z"></span>Logo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Logo-2017-12-14T15:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Logo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RiniX-2017-12-14T15:13:00.000Z-Logo"></span>Hello, I want to ask you, if you can use this template on these logos. Thank you. </p> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:20th_Century_Fox_Logo.png&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:20th Century Fox Logo.png (page does not exist)">File:20th Century Fox Logo.png</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Fantastic_Beasts_and_Where_to_Find_Them_Logo.png&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them Logo.png (page does not exist)">File:Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them Logo.png</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Horor_film_Logo.png&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Horor film Logo.png (page does not exist)">File:Horor film Logo.png</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Walden_Media_Logo.png&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Walden Media Logo.png (page does not exist)">File:Walden Media Logo.png</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Industrial_Light_%26_Magic_Logo.png&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Industrial Light & Magic Logo.png (page does not exist)">File:Industrial Light & Magic Logo.png</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Reign_Logo.png&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Reign Logo.png (page does not exist)">File:Reign Logo.png</a></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:RiniX" title="User:RiniX">RiniX</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RiniX" title="User talk:RiniX"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-RiniX-2017-12-14T15:13:00.000Z-Logo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 14 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RiniX-2017-12-14T15:13:00.000Z-Logo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RiniX-2017-12-14T15:13:00.000Z-Logo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Clindberg-2017-12-14T16:53:00.000Z-RiniX-2017-12-14T15:13:00.000Z"></span>No. The question really isn't is there text in the logo, it's if there is any other pictorial art separate from the shape of the letters. For the U.S., stylized letters are still letters, but once you get into those extended swirling parts, those are separate from the letter. Most of those above have a pictorial element which is greater than the <a href="/wiki/Commons:TOO" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:TOO">threshold of originality</a>. The Fantastic Beasts one is where the surface of the letters themselves has separable artwork (i.e., you can conceptually separate the artwork from the shape of the letters, and it would still qualify as artwork). The Horor logo is probably the closest to being OK -- that one is a bit arguable, the argument being if the dripping blood part of the drawing is enough to be copyrightable on its own. I still would lean delete on it. <a href="/wiki/User:Clindberg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Clindberg">Carl Lindberg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Clindberg" title="User talk:Clindberg"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Clindberg-2017-12-14T16:53:00.000Z-RiniX-2017-12-14T15:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 14 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Clindberg-2017-12-14T16:53:00.000Z-RiniX-2017-12-14T15:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Clindberg-2017-12-14T16:53:00.000Z-RiniX-2017-12-14T15:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RiniX-2017-12-14T17:13:00.000Z-Clindberg-2017-12-14T16:53:00.000Z"></span>Okay, thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:RiniX" title="User:RiniX">RiniX</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RiniX" title="User talk:RiniX"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-RiniX-2017-12-14T17:13:00.000Z-Clindberg-2017-12-14T16:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 14 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RiniX-2017-12-14T17:13:00.000Z-Clindberg-2017-12-14T16:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RiniX-2017-12-14T17:13:00.000Z-Clindberg-2017-12-14T16:53:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RiniX-2017-12-14T17:20:00.000Z-Clindberg-2017-12-14T16:53:00.000Z"></span>But, how it's with <i>simple geometric shapes</i>? Because, you can have letters and than logo, which looks like some <i>simple geometric shape</i>... <a href="/wiki/User:RiniX" title="User:RiniX">RiniX</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RiniX" title="User talk:RiniX"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-RiniX-2017-12-14T17:20:00.000Z-Clindberg-2017-12-14T16:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 14 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RiniX-2017-12-14T17:20:00.000Z-Clindberg-2017-12-14T16:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RiniX-2017-12-14T17:20:00.000Z-Clindberg-2017-12-14T16:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Redirects" data-mw-thread-id="h-Redirects"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Redirects"></span>Redirects<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Redirects"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Redirects"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <pre>Template:PD-textlogo 3628 Template:Pd-textlogo (redirect page) 3553 Template:PD-logo (redirect page) 3052 Template:PD-Textlogo (redirect page) 838 Template:PD-TextLogo (redirect page) 589 Template:Textlogo (redirect page) 568 Template:PD-text-logo (redirect page) 362 Template:PD-text logo (redirect page) 195 Template:Pd-logo (redirect page) -- <i>deleted:</i> 0 <s>Template:نگاره نوشتاری (redirect page)</s> 6 <s>Template:Pd-text-logo (redirect page)</s> 15 <s>Template:PDtextlogo (redirect page)</s> 24 <s>Template:PD-Logo testuale (redirect page)</s> </pre> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ecosia_globe" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ecosia_globe-2018-01-01T19:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ecosia_globe-2018-01-01T19:32:00.000Z"></span>Ecosia globe<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ecosia_globe-2018-01-01T19:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Ecosia globe"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nagualdesign-2018-01-01T19:32:00.000Z-Ecosia_globe"></span>I uploaded the central portion of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecosia" class="extiw" title="w:Ecosia">Ecosia</a> logo to Commons (<a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Ecosia-globe.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Ecosia-globe.jpg (page does not exist)">jpg</a>/<a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Ecosia-globe.png&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Ecosia-globe.png (page does not exist)">png</a>) for use in a userbox on the English Wikipedia (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:NadirAli/Userbox/Ecosia" class="extiw" title="w:User:NadirAli/Userbox/Ecosia">W:User:NadirAli/Userbox/Ecosia</a>) as I deemed it to be below the <a href="/wiki/Threshold_of_originality" class="mw-redirect" title="Threshold of originality">threshold of originality</a>, and thought I'd better mention it here in case I was wrong and the image is not PD. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:nagualdesign" class="extiw" title="w:User:nagualdesign"><b style="color:#000">nagual</b></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:nagualdesign" class="extiw" title="w:User talk:nagualdesign"><b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b></a></b> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Nagualdesign-2018-01-01T19:32:00.000Z-Ecosia_globe" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 1 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nagualdesign-2018-01-01T19:32:00.000Z-Ecosia_globe"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nagualdesign-2018-01-01T19:32:00.000Z-Ecosia_globe"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="FUNTORO_Logo" data-mw-thread-id="h-FUNTORO_Logo-2018-01-21T13:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-FUNTORO_Logo-2018-01-21T13:37:00.000Z"></span>FUNTORO Logo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-FUNTORO_Logo-2018-01-21T13:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: FUNTORO Logo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-B3581475-2018-01-21T13:37:00.000Z-FUNTORO_Logo"></span>Hello, recently I upload a FUNTORO Logo on en-wikipedia: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Logo_of_MSI_FUNTORO,_Jan_2018.png">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Logo_of_MSI_FUNTORO,_Jan_2018.png</a><br /> When I want to use it in FUNTORO article on ru-wikipedia, I found I can't use it because of the copyright protection. I represent the owner of the logo and now what I should do, so that I can use the logo in another article?<br /> Use the <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-textlogo" title="Template:PD-textlogo">Template:PD-textlogo</a> ? Or I should use the <a href="/wiki/Commons:Email_templates" title="Commons:Email templates">Commons:Email templates</a> to declare that the logo can be used in other article?<br /> Thanks for your help! <small class="autosigned" lang="en" dir="ltr">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Commons:Signatures" title="Commons:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <bdi><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:B3581475&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:B3581475 (page does not exist)">B3581475</a></bdi> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:B3581475" title="User talk:B3581475">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/B3581475" title="Special:Contributions/B3581475">contribs</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-B3581475-2018-01-21T13:37:00.000Z-FUNTORO_Logo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 21 January 2018 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-B3581475-2018-01-21T13:37:00.000Z-FUNTORO_Logo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-B3581475-2018-01-21T13:37:00.000Z-FUNTORO_Logo"></span> <br /> <small class="autosigned" lang="en" dir="ltr"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-B3581475-2018-01-21T13:40:00.000Z-FUNTORO_Logo"></span>— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Commons:Signatures" title="Commons:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <bdi><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:B3581475&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:B3581475 (page does not exist)">B3581475</a></bdi> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:B3581475" title="User talk:B3581475">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/B3581475" title="Special:Contributions/B3581475">contribs</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-B3581475-2018-01-21T13:40:00.000Z-FUNTORO_Logo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 21 January 2018 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-B3581475-2018-01-21T13:40:00.000Z-FUNTORO_Logo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-B3581475-2018-01-21T13:40:00.000Z-FUNTORO_Logo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Clindberg-2018-01-21T16:23:00.000Z-B3581475-2018-01-21T13:40:00.000Z"></span>It would qualify for PD-textlogo for the U.S. -- I don't think there is any copyright in the U.S., so there is nothing to "own" (other than the trademark). Less sure about Taiwan, since I don't know those laws at all. But, you could upload it under PD-textlogo probably. <a href="/wiki/User:Clindberg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Clindberg">Carl Lindberg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Clindberg" title="User talk:Clindberg"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Clindberg-2018-01-21T16:23:00.000Z-B3581475-2018-01-21T13:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:23, 21 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Clindberg-2018-01-21T16:23:00.000Z-B3581475-2018-01-21T13:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Clindberg-2018-01-21T16:23:00.000Z-B3581475-2018-01-21T13:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_request_23_Aug_2018" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_request_23_Aug_2018-2018-08-23T23:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_request_23_Aug_2018-2018-08-23T23:27:00.000Z"></span>Edit request 23 Aug 2018<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_request_23_Aug_2018-2018-08-23T23:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Edit request 23 Aug 2018"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anachronist-2018-08-23T23:27:00.000Z-Edit_request_23_Aug_2018"></span>Slight grammar tweak: please change "This image only consists of ..." to "This image consists only of ...". The word "only" is an intensifier of the objects of the sentence, not of the verb "consists". <a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist">Anachronist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anachronist" title="User talk:Anachronist"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Anachronist-2018-08-23T23:27:00.000Z-Edit_request_23_Aug_2018" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 23 August 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anachronist-2018-08-23T23:27:00.000Z-Edit_request_23_Aug_2018"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anachronist-2018-08-23T23:27:00.000Z-Edit_request_23_Aug_2018"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elcobbola-2018-08-24T19:02:00.000Z-Anachronist-2018-08-23T23:27:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></span></span> <b><bdi>Done</bdi></b> <a href="/wiki/User:Elcobbola" title="User:Elcobbola"><span style="color:#038"><i><b>Эlcobbola</b></i></span></a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elcobbola" title="User talk:Elcobbola">talk</a></sub> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Elcobbola-2018-08-24T19:02:00.000Z-Anachronist-2018-08-23T23:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 24 August 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elcobbola-2018-08-24T19:02:00.000Z-Anachronist-2018-08-23T23:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elcobbola-2018-08-24T19:02:00.000Z-Anachronist-2018-08-23T23:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Categorization" data-mw-thread-id="h-Categorization-2020-03-13T18:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Categorization-2020-03-13T18:37:00.000Z"></span>Categorization<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Categorization-2020-03-13T18:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Categorization"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonteemil-2020-03-13T18:37:00.000Z-Categorization"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sarang" title="User:Sarang">Sarang</a>: </span> You made so that all SVGs with this template get categorized in <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_text_logos" title="Category:SVG text logos">Category:SVG text logos</a>. Can you also make so that all non-svg logos get categorized with <a href="/wiki/Category:Text_logos" title="Category:Text logos">Category:Text logos</a>?<a href="/wiki/User:Jonteemil" title="User:Jonteemil">Jonteemil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonteemil" title="User talk:Jonteemil"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Jonteemil-2020-03-13T18:37:00.000Z-Categorization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 13 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonteemil-2020-03-13T18:37:00.000Z-Categorization"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonteemil-2020-03-13T18:37:00.000Z-Categorization"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarang-2020-03-14T07:49:00.000Z-Jonteemil-2020-03-13T18:37:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></span></span> <b><bdi>Done</bdi></b> see the <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-textlogo/doc" title="Template:PD-textlogo/doc">template documentation</a> --<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarang" title="User talk:Sarang"> sarang</a></i><span style="color:#800">♥</span><a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sarang" class="extiw" title="de:User:Sarang">사랑</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Sarang-2020-03-14T07:49:00.000Z-Jonteemil-2020-03-13T18:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:49, 14 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarang-2020-03-14T07:49:00.000Z-Jonteemil-2020-03-13T18:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarang-2020-03-14T07:49:00.000Z-Jonteemil-2020-03-13T18:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonteemil-2020-03-14T18:01:00.000Z-Sarang-2020-03-14T07:49:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sarang" title="User:Sarang">Sarang</a>: </span> Perfect. I think I made the code a bit better at <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-textlogo/sandbox" title="Template:PD-textlogo/sandbox">Template:PD-textlogo/sandbox</a> but I didn't have a part which said "if not a file, don't categorize into <a href="/wiki/Category:PD_textlogo" title="Category:PD textlogo">Category:PD textlogo</a>". Other than that I think they have the same output if the same input.<a href="/wiki/User:Jonteemil" title="User:Jonteemil">Jonteemil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonteemil" title="User talk:Jonteemil"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Jonteemil-2020-03-14T18:01:00.000Z-Sarang-2020-03-14T07:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 14 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonteemil-2020-03-14T18:01:00.000Z-Sarang-2020-03-14T07:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonteemil-2020-03-14T18:01:00.000Z-Sarang-2020-03-14T07:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarang-2020-03-15T07:47:00.000Z-Jonteemil-2020-03-14T18:01:00.000Z"></span>My problem had been to write either "Text logo", or "... text logo"; therefore I made it a bit more complicated. As my fault, I did not realize that categorizing <i>automatically uppercases</i> the first letter of the resulting category name.</dd> <dd>I inserted the namespace check into the sandbox, so your easier version does now really the same. --<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarang" title="User talk:Sarang"> sarang</a></i><span style="color:#800">♥</span><a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sarang" class="extiw" title="de:User:Sarang">사랑</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Sarang-2020-03-15T07:47:00.000Z-Jonteemil-2020-03-14T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:47, 15 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarang-2020-03-15T07:47:00.000Z-Jonteemil-2020-03-14T18:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarang-2020-03-15T07:47:00.000Z-Jonteemil-2020-03-14T18:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonteemil-2020-03-15T15:33:00.000Z-Sarang-2020-03-15T07:47:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sarang" title="User:Sarang">Sarang</a>: </span> Perfect! Then it can replace the content of this template?<a href="/wiki/User:Jonteemil" title="User:Jonteemil">Jonteemil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonteemil" title="User talk:Jonteemil"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Jonteemil-2020-03-15T15:33:00.000Z-Sarang-2020-03-15T07:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 15 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonteemil-2020-03-15T15:33:00.000Z-Sarang-2020-03-15T07:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonteemil-2020-03-15T15:33:00.000Z-Sarang-2020-03-15T07:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarang-2020-03-15T15:40:00.000Z-Jonteemil-2020-03-13T18:37:00.000Z"></span>It is heavily used template, so a replacement of a correct working version by another one doing the same just simpler seems not necessary. We can do it next time when another change becomes necessary. --<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarang" title="User talk:Sarang"> sarang</a></i><span style="color:#800">♥</span><a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sarang" class="extiw" title="de:User:Sarang">사랑</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Sarang-2020-03-15T15:40:00.000Z-Jonteemil-2020-03-13T18:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 15 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarang-2020-03-15T15:40:00.000Z-Jonteemil-2020-03-13T18:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarang-2020-03-15T15:40:00.000Z-Jonteemil-2020-03-13T18:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonteemil-2020-03-15T16:40:00.000Z-Sarang-2020-03-15T15:40:00.000Z"></span>Alright, I'll keep the refined version in the sandbox then.<a href="/wiki/User:Jonteemil" title="User:Jonteemil">Jonteemil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonteemil" title="User talk:Jonteemil"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Jonteemil-2020-03-15T16:40:00.000Z-Sarang-2020-03-15T15:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 15 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonteemil-2020-03-15T16:40:00.000Z-Sarang-2020-03-15T15:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonteemil-2020-03-15T16:40:00.000Z-Sarang-2020-03-15T15:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-De728631-2020-07-13T20:23:00.000Z-Categorization"></span>I think this type of autocategorisation is problematic because it prevents the file from being put into any subcategories of <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_text_logos" title="Category:SVG text logos">Category:SVG text logos</a> or <a href="/wiki/Category:Text_logos" title="Category:Text logos">Category:Text logos</a> without overcategorisation. The main category "Text logos" has now grown to some 78k files and desperately needs diffusion. So, could you perhaps add another parameter similar to <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r588530194" /><code class="nowrap">|type=</code> where a logo subcategory can be defined instead of "Text logo" or "SVG text logo"? <a href="/wiki/User:De728631" title="User:De728631">De728631</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:De728631" title="User talk:De728631"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-De728631-2020-07-13T20:23:00.000Z-Categorization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:23, 13 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-De728631-2020-07-13T20:23:00.000Z-Categorization"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-De728631-2020-07-13T20:23:00.000Z-Categorization"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Replacing_"non-free"_logo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Replacing_"non-free"_logo-2020-12-10T05:37:00.000Z"><span id="Replacing_.22non-free.22_logo"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Replacing_"non-free"_logo-2020-12-10T05:37:00.000Z"></span>Replacing "non-free" logo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Replacing_"non-free"_logo-2020-12-10T05:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Replacing "non-free" logo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AllegedlyHuman-2020-12-10T05:37:00.000Z-Replacing_"non-free"_logo"></span>Hello all, </p><p>The logo for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_for_Something" class="extiw" title="en:Run for Something">Run for Something</a>, seen <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Run_For_Something_Logo.png" class="extiw" title="en:File:Run For Something Logo.png">here</a>, is labeled as non-free and is of low quality. However, since it is exclusively a text-based image, I believe it would fit under the criteria here. However, I do not possess the skills to replace the current image with one of higher quality under a different stated copyright status. Could someone help out here? Thanks. (If this isn't the right place for this, let me know as well.) <a href="/wiki/User:AllegedlyHuman" class="mw-redirect" title="User:AllegedlyHuman">AllegedlyHuman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AllegedlyHuman" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:AllegedlyHuman"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-AllegedlyHuman-2020-12-10T05:37:00.000Z-Replacing_"non-free"_logo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:37, 10 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AllegedlyHuman-2020-12-10T05:37:00.000Z-Replacing_"non-free"_logo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AllegedlyHuman-2020-12-10T05:37:00.000Z-Replacing_"non-free"_logo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ixfd64-2021-08-29T18:16:00.000Z-AllegedlyHuman-2020-12-10T05:37:00.000Z"></span>Agreed. I've transferred the logo to Commons. <a href="/wiki/User:Ixfd64" title="User:Ixfd64">Ixfd64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ixfd64" title="User talk:Ixfd64"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Ixfd64-2021-08-29T18:16:00.000Z-AllegedlyHuman-2020-12-10T05:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 29 August 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ixfd64-2021-08-29T18:16:00.000Z-AllegedlyHuman-2020-12-10T05:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ixfd64-2021-08-29T18:16:00.000Z-AllegedlyHuman-2020-12-10T05:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Suggestion_to_replace_PD-textlogo_for_logos_considered_ineligible_for_copyright" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suggestion_to_replace_PD-textlogo_for_logos_considered_ineligible_for_copyright-2022-01-16T20:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suggestion_to_replace_PD-textlogo_for_logos_considered_ineligible_for_copyright-2022-01-16T20:01:00.000Z"></span>Suggestion to replace PD-textlogo for logos considered ineligible for copyright<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suggestion_to_replace_PD-textlogo_for_logos_considered_ineligible_for_copyright-2022-01-16T20:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Suggestion to replace PD-textlogo for logos considered ineligible for copyright"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mattbr-2022-01-16T20:01:00.000Z-Suggestion_to_replace_PD-textlogo_for_logos_considered_ineligible_for_copyright"></span>Please see the discussion related to this template at <a href="/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Replacing_PD-textlogo_for_logos_considered_ineligible_for_copyright" title="Commons:Village pump/Proposals">Commons:Village pump/Proposals#Replacing PD-textlogo for logos considered ineligible for copyright</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Mattbr" title="User:Mattbr">matt</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mattbr" title="User talk:Mattbr">br</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Mattbr-2022-01-16T20:01:00.000Z-Suggestion_to_replace_PD-textlogo_for_logos_considered_ineligible_for_copyright" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 16 January 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mattbr-2022-01-16T20:01:00.000Z-Suggestion_to_replace_PD-textlogo_for_logos_considered_ineligible_for_copyright"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mattbr-2022-01-16T20:01:00.000Z-Suggestion_to_replace_PD-textlogo_for_logos_considered_ineligible_for_copyright"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="PD-logo_without_text" data-mw-thread-id="h-PD-logo_without_text-20230111165000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-PD-logo_without_text-20230111165000"></span>PD-logo without text<span data-mw-comment-end="h-PD-logo_without_text-20230111165000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: PD-logo without text"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; 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height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:3-OLIMPICA.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/3-OLIMPICA.svg/120px-3-OLIMPICA.svg.png" decoding="async" width="120" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/3-OLIMPICA.svg/180px-3-OLIMPICA.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/3-OLIMPICA.svg/240px-3-OLIMPICA.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Adobe_Spark_Post_icon_(2020).svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Adobe_Spark_Post_icon_%282020%29.svg/120px-Adobe_Spark_Post_icon_%282020%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="120" height="116" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Adobe_Spark_Post_icon_%282020%29.svg/180px-Adobe_Spark_Post_icon_%282020%29.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Adobe_Spark_Post_icon_%282020%29.svg/240px-Adobe_Spark_Post_icon_%282020%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="494" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"></div> </li> </ul> <p>I have a question based on <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/719228878" title="Special:Diff/719228878">Special:Diff/719228878</a> from <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Jonteemil" title="User:Jonteemil">Jonteemil</a>: </span><br /> Many files in <a href="/wiki/Category:SVG_text_logos" title="Category:SVG text logos">Category:SVG_text_logos</a> do not contain any text, should they be removed from this category?<br /> — <a href="/wiki/User:JoKalliauer" title="User:JoKalliauer">Johannes <span style="color:black; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">Kalliauer</span></a> - <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoKalliauer" title="User talk:JoKalliauer">Talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JoKalliauer" title="Special:Contributions/JoKalliauer">Contributions</a></small> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-JoKalliauer-20230111165000-PD-logo_without_text" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 11 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoKalliauer-20230111165000-PD-logo_without_text"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoKalliauer-20230111165000-PD-logo_without_text"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonteemil-20230112005100-JoKalliauer-20230111165000"></span>According to me, yes, but of course it is possible that I have been mistaken.<a href="/wiki/User:Jonteemil" title="User:Jonteemil">Jonteemil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonteemil" title="User talk:Jonteemil"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Jonteemil-20230112005100-JoKalliauer-20230111165000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 12 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonteemil-20230112005100-JoKalliauer-20230111165000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonteemil-20230112005100-JoKalliauer-20230111165000"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoKalliauer-20230112220300-Jonteemil-20230112005100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jonteemil" title="User:Jonteemil">Jonteemil</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Magog_the_Ogre" title="User:Magog the Ogre">Magog the Ogre</a>: </span> I agree, however <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-logo" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:PD-logo">Template:PD-logo</a> links to <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-textlogo" title="Template:PD-textlogo">Template:PD-textlogo</a>.</dd> <dd>Accoding to <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Sarang" title="User:Sarang">Sarang</a>: </span> in <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/680006575#PD_licenses" title="Special:Diff/680006575">Special:Diff/680006575#PD_licenses</a> ;- <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-logo" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:PD-logo">Template:PD-logo</a> is used 7K times, which agrees with the description in <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-font/doc#See_also" title="Template:PD-font/doc">Template:PD-font/doc#See_also</a> reading as <code>For logos that only consist of simple geometric shapes and/or text, use <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-textlogo" title="Template:PD-textlogo">{{PD-textlogo}}</a>.</code></dd> <dd>I would put most of the logos in either <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-ineligible" title="Template:PD-ineligible">{{PD-ineligible}}</a> or <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-shape" title="Template:PD-shape">{{PD-shape}}</a>, which disagrees with the <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-ineligible/doc#See_also" title="Template:PD-ineligible/doc">Template:PD-ineligible/doc#See_also</a>.</dd> <dd> — <a href="/wiki/User:JoKalliauer" title="User:JoKalliauer">Johannes <span style="color:black; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">Kalliauer</span></a> - <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoKalliauer" title="User talk:JoKalliauer">Talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JoKalliauer" title="Special:Contributions/JoKalliauer">Contributions</a></small> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-JoKalliauer-20230112220300-Jonteemil-20230112005100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 12 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoKalliauer-20230112220300-Jonteemil-20230112005100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoKalliauer-20230112220300-Jonteemil-20230112005100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Clindberg-20230114080000-JoKalliauer-20230111165000"></span>Eh. The tag says <i>This logo image consists only of simple geometric shapes or text.</i> So it's encompassing some of <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-shape" title="Template:PD-shape"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{PD-shape}}</span></a>, but really both are using the same law (they are all just forms of <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-ineligible" title="Template:PD-ineligible"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{PD-ineligible}}</span></a>). There is some particular U.S. law around typefaces not being copyrightable, which is a bit more of a specific aspect for PD-textlogo -- for example, the Avid logo up there is actually a form of typeface. Most of those don't have that aspect, but the basic reason (below the threshold of originality in the U.S.) is the same between the tags, so it doesn't make much difference to me. There is nothing special, copyright-wise, about being a logo or not. Some of those are dubious; for example <a href="/wiki/File:2019_30th_SEA_Games.svg" title="File:2019 30th SEA Games.svg">File:2019 30th SEA Games.svg</a> is made up of simple geometric shapes yes, but the arrangement almost certainly has a copyright. <a href="/wiki/User:Clindberg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Clindberg">Carl Lindberg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Clindberg" title="User talk:Clindberg"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Clindberg-20230114080000-JoKalliauer-20230111165000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:00, 14 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Clindberg-20230114080000-JoKalliauer-20230111165000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Clindberg-20230114080000-JoKalliauer-20230111165000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_request_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_request_2-20230810230400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_request_2-20230810230400"></span>Edit request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_request_2-20230810230400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Edit request"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_request" title="Template:Edit request"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-20230810230400-Edit_request_2"></span>{{Edit request}}</span></a> </p><p>At <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-textlogo/en" title="Template:PD-textlogo/en">Template:PD-textlogo/en</a>, please replace <code>WP:PD#Fonts and typefaces]]</code> with <code>WP:PD § Fonts and typefaces]]</code> to match the standard formatting used in <a href="/wiki/Template:Section_link" title="Template:Section link">{{Section link}}</a>. Note that there is a non-breaking space between the § and the word "Fonts", but <nowiki> is <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T44581" class="extiw" title="phab:T44581">regrettably malfunctioning</a> and not displaying the code properly. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF"><b>Sdkb</b></span></a></span><small>}}</small></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Sdkb-20230810230400-Edit_request_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:04, 10 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-20230810230400-Edit_request_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-20230810230400-Edit_request_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lucas_Werkmeister-20230810232900-Sdkb-20230810230400"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></span></span> <b><bdi>Done</bdi></b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Lucas_Werkmeister" title="User:Lucas Werkmeister">Lucas Werkmeister</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lucas_Werkmeister" title="User talk:Lucas Werkmeister"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Lucas_Werkmeister-20230810232900-Sdkb-20230810230400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:29, 10 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lucas_Werkmeister-20230810232900-Sdkb-20230810230400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lucas_Werkmeister-20230810232900-Sdkb-20230810230400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_request_for_category_redirects" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_request_for_category_redirects-20240825183400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_request_for_category_redirects-20240825183400"></span>Edit request for category redirects<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_request_for_category_redirects-20240825183400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Edit request for category redirects"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_request" title="Template:Edit request"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smasongarrison-20240825183400-Edit_request_for_category_redirects"></span>{{Edit request}}</span></a> Can you add it so that this template follows category redirects? <a class="external autonumber" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:PD-textlogo/sandbox&oldid=915748741">[2]</a> I made and tested an example, using </p><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:%25_Arabica_percent_logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/%25_Arabica_percent_logo.svg/220px-%25_Arabica_percent_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="191" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/%25_Arabica_percent_logo.svg/330px-%25_Arabica_percent_logo.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/%25_Arabica_percent_logo.svg/440px-%25_Arabica_percent_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> with the actual template, and </p><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Afisha_logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Afisha_logo.svg/220px-Afisha_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="46" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Afisha_logo.svg/330px-Afisha_logo.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Afisha_logo.svg/440px-Afisha_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="107" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> with the sandbox. <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Smasongarrison</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Smasongarrison-20240825183400-Edit_request_for_category_redirects" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 25 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smasongarrison-20240825183400-Edit_request_for_category_redirects"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smasongarrison-20240825183400-Edit_request_for_category_redirects"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lucas_Werkmeister-20240923192900-Smasongarrison-20240825183400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Smasongarrison</a> (or others): Is there precedent for this? I thought usually the software doesn’t follow category redirects? <a href="/wiki/User:Lucas_Werkmeister" title="User:Lucas Werkmeister">Lucas Werkmeister</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lucas_Werkmeister" title="User talk:Lucas Werkmeister"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Lucas_Werkmeister-20240923192900-Smasongarrison-20240825183400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lucas_Werkmeister-20240923192900-Smasongarrison-20240825183400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lucas_Werkmeister-20240923192900-Smasongarrison-20240825183400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smasongarrison-20240923231100-Lucas_Werkmeister-20240923192900"></span>I don't know why we wouldn't use a redirect. <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Smasongarrison</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Smasongarrison-20240923231100-Lucas_Werkmeister-20240923192900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smasongarrison-20240923231100-Lucas_Werkmeister-20240923192900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smasongarrison-20240923231100-Lucas_Werkmeister-20240923192900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jarekt-20241025041600-Smasongarrison-20240923231100"></span>Smasongarrison</a> I think it is a bad idea to be adding non-maintenance categories through templates. Such categories to not work with all the tools we use for maintaining categories. Your proposed edit adds unnecessary bulk to the page and overcomplicates something that should not be very complicated. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jarekt" title="User:Jarekt">Jarekt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jarekt" title="User talk:Jarekt"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Jarekt-20241025041600-Smasongarrison-20240923231100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:16, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jarekt-20241025041600-Smasongarrison-20240923231100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jarekt-20241025041600-Smasongarrison-20240923231100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smasongarrison-20241026002200-Jarekt-20241025041600"></span>Excellent point. Happy to withdraw the nomination. <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Smasongarrison</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Smasongarrison-20241026002200-Jarekt-20241025041600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smasongarrison-20241026002200-Jarekt-20241025041600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smasongarrison-20241026002200-Jarekt-20241025041600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lucas_Werkmeister-20241028122100-Smasongarrison-20241026002200"></span>Alright, disabling the edit request then. --<a href="/wiki/User:Lucas_Werkmeister" title="User:Lucas Werkmeister">Lucas Werkmeister</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lucas_Werkmeister" title="User talk:Lucas Werkmeister"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Lucas_Werkmeister-20241028122100-Smasongarrison-20241026002200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lucas_Werkmeister-20241028122100-Smasongarrison-20241026002200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lucas_Werkmeister-20241028122100-Smasongarrison-20241026002200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Template:PD-textlogo_with_extra_parameter"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Template:PD-textlogo_with_extra_parameter"-20240902103700"><span id=".22Template:PD-textlogo_with_extra_parameter.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Template:PD-textlogo_with_extra_parameter"-20240902103700"></span>"Template:PD-textlogo with extra parameter"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Template:PD-textlogo_with_extra_parameter"-20240902103700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-textlogo&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: "Template:PD-textlogo with extra parameter""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Prototyperspective-20240902103700-"Template:PD-textlogo_with_extra_parameter""></span>Why is this a redcat? <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Template:PD-textlogo_with_extra_parameter&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Template:PD-textlogo with extra parameter (page does not exist)">Category:Template:PD-textlogo with extra parameter</a> is set on many files like <a href="/wiki/File:CC-logo.svg" title="File:CC-logo.svg">File:CC-logo.svg</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Prototyperspective-20240902103700-"Template:PD-textlogo_with_extra_parameter"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Prototyperspective-20240902103700-"Template:PD-textlogo_with_extra_parameter""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Prototyperspective-20240902103700-"Template:PD-textlogo_with_extra_parameter""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonteemil-20240906211500-Prototyperspective-20240902103700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a>: A good-will edit by Minorax accidently did this but I think I fixed it. <a href="/wiki/User:Jonteemil" title="User:Jonteemil">Jonteemil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonteemil" title="User talk:Jonteemil"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-textlogo#c-Jonteemil-20240906211500-Prototyperspective-20240902103700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonteemil-20240906211500-Prototyperspective-20240902103700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonteemil-20240906211500-Prototyperspective-20240902103700"></span></dd></dl> <div style="font-size:90%; margin:2px 0; padding:8px; clear:both; border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1); background-color:var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); color:var(--color-base,#202122);" class="mw-notalk"><span class="mw-default-size mw-valign-bottom" typeof="mw:File"><span title="Checkmark"><img alt="Checkmark" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/OOjs_UI_icon_check-constructive.svg/20px-OOjs_UI_icon_check-constructive.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/OOjs_UI_icon_check-constructive.svg/30px-OOjs_UI_icon_check-constructive.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/OOjs_UI_icon_check-constructive.svg/40px-OOjs_UI_icon_check-constructive.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="20" data-file-height="20" /></span></span> This section is resolved and can be archived. 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