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decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/80px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text" style="text-align: left;">Points of interest related to <a href="/wiki/Organizations" class="mw-redirect" title="Organizations">Organizations</a> on Wikipedia:<br/><a href="/wiki/Category:Organizations" title="Category:Organizations">Category</a> – <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Organizations" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Organizations">WikiProject</a> – <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Organizations/Article_alerts" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Organizations/Article alerts">Alerts</a> – <a class="mw-selflink selflink">Deletions</a> – <a href="/wiki/Category:Organization_stubs" title="Category:Organization 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title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">Deletion Sorting<br/>Project</a></th></tr><tr><td class="sidebar-content plainlist" style="padding:4px; text-align:left"> <ul><li><div style="float:right">(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting">talk</a>)</div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">Project page</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Flat" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Flat">Lists (by ABC)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Compact" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Compact">Lists (by topic)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Computer-readable.json" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Computer-readable.json">Lists (computer-readable)</a></li></ul> <hr/> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" 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Deletion sorting/Navigation"><abbr title="View this template">v</abbr></a></li><li class="nv-talk"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Navigation" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Navigation"><abbr title="Discuss this template">t</abbr></a></li><li class="nv-edit"><a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Navigation" title="Special:EditPage/Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Navigation"><abbr title="Edit this template">e</abbr></a></li></ul></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <p>This is a collection of discussions on the deletion of articles related to <b>Organizations and social programs</b>. It is one of many <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Flat" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Flat">deletion lists</a> coordinated by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">WikiProject Deletion sorting</a>. Anyone can help maintain the list on this page. </p> <dl><dt>Adding a new AfD discussion</dt> <dd>Adding an AfD to this page does not add it to the main page at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion">WP:AFD</a>. Similarly, removing an AfD from this page does not remove it from the main page at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion">WP:AFD</a>. If you want to nominate an article for deletion, go through the process on that page before adding it to this page. To add a discussion to this page, follow these steps: <ol><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations&action=edit&section=1">Edit this page</a></span> and add <b>{{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PageName}}</b> to the top of the list. Replace "PageName" with the relevant article name, i.e. the one on the existing AFD discussion. Also, indicate the title of the article in the <b>edit summary</b> as it is particularly helpful to add a link to the article in the edit summary. When you save the page, the discussion will automatically appear.</li> <li>You should also tag the AfD by adding <b>{{subst:delsort|Organizations|~~~~}}</b> to it, which will inform editors that it has been listed here. You may place this tag above or below the nomination statement or at the end of the discussion thread.</li></ol></dd> <dd>There are a few <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting#Scripts_and_tools" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">scripts and tools</a> that can make this easier.</dd> <dt>Removing a closed AfD discussion</dt> <dd>Closed AfD discussions are automatically removed by <a href="/wiki/User:AnomieBOT" title="User:AnomieBOT">a bot</a>.</dd> <dt>Other types of discussions</dt> <dd>You can also add and remove other discussions (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">prod</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">CfD</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion">TfD</a> etc.) related to Organizations and social programs. For the other XfD's, the process is the same as AfD (except <b>{{Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName}}</b> is used for MFD and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Transclude_xfd" title="Template:Transclude xfd">transclude xfd</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> for the rest). For PRODs, adding a link with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Prodded" title="Template:Prodded">prodded</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> will suffice.</dd> <dt>Further information</dt> <dd>For further information see Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">deletion policy</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion">WP:AfD</a> for general information about Articles for Deletion, including a list of article deletions sorted by day of nomination.</dd></dl> <p>Suggested inclusion guidelines for this topic area can be found at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORG">WP:ORG</a>. </p> <div style="border: 1px solid #999; padding: 4px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Archive"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/32px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png" decoding="async" width="32" height="32" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/48px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/64px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></span></span> Archived discussions (starting from September 2007) may be found at:<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div><div class="mw-prefixindex-body"><ul class="mw-prefixindex-list"><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations/archive" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Organizations/archive">WikiProject Deletion sorting/Organizations/archive</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations/archive_2" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Organizations/archive 2">WikiProject Deletion sorting/Organizations/archive 2</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations/archive_3" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Organizations/archive 3">WikiProject Deletion sorting/Organizations/archive 3</a></li> </ul></div></div> <table style="margin: 0 auto; font-size:smaller; background:none;"> <tbody><tr> <td width="125px"><b><span class="noprint plainlinks purgelink"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations&action=purge"><span title="Purge this page">Purge page cache</span></a></span> </b> </td> <td width="125px"><b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations&action=watch">watch</a></span> </b> </td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 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deletion","linkableTitle":"Organizations deletion"}--></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="List_of_University_of_North_Carolina_at_Charlotte_student_organizations" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_University_of_North_Carolina_at_Charlotte_student_organizations-Organizations_deletion-20241127231200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_University_of_North_Carolina_at_Charlotte_student_organizations-Organizations_deletion-20241127231200"></span><a href="/wiki/List_of_University_of_North_Carolina_at_Charlotte_student_organizations" title="List of University of North Carolina at Charlotte student organizations">List of University of North Carolina at Charlotte student organizations</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_University_of_North_Carolina_at_Charlotte_student_organizations-Organizations_deletion-20241127231200"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a 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University of North Carolina at Charlotte student organizations">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:List_of_University_of_North_Carolina_at_Charlotte_student_organizations" title="Talk:List of University of North Carolina at Charlotte student organizations">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/List_of_University_of_North_Carolina_at_Charlotte_student_organizations" title="Special:PageHistory/List of University of North Carolina at Charlotte student organizations">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/List_of_University_of_North_Carolina_at_Charlotte_student_organizations" title="Special:ProtectPage/List of University of North Carolina at Charlotte student organizations">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/List_of_University_of_North_Carolina_at_Charlotte_student_organizations" title="Special:DeletePage/List of University of North Carolina at Charlotte student organizations">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" 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title="Special:Diff/1259940260/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22List+of+University+of+North+Carolina+at+Charlotte+student+organizations%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22List+of+University+of+North+Carolina+at+Charlotte+student+organizations%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22List+of+University+of+North+Carolina+at+Charlotte+student+organizations%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22List+of+University+of+North+Carolina+at+Charlotte+student+organizations%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" 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A PROD was removed with the claim that there are many sources available, but I couldn't find any to support the notability of this list. <a href="/wiki/User:Let%27srun" title="User:Let'srun">Let'srun</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Let%27srun" title="User talk:Let'srun">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Let'srun-20241127231200-List_of_University_of_North_Carolina_at_Charlotte_student_organizations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Let'srun-20241127231200-List_of_University_of_North_Carolina_at_Charlotte_student_organizations"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127231200","author":"Let'srun","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Let'srun-20241127231200-List_of_University_of_North_Carolina_at_Charlotte_student_organizations","replies":["c-Let'srun-20241127231200-Let'srun-20241127231200","c-Jax_MN-20241128004800-Let'srun-20241127231200","c-Jax_MN-20241128002000-Let'srun-20241127231200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Let'srun-20241127231200-List_of_University_of_North_Carolina_at_Charlotte_student_organizations"></span> </p> <ul><li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Let'srun-20241127231200-Let'srun-20241127231200"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a class="mw-selflink selflink">Organizations</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Lists" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Lists">Lists</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/North_Carolina" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/North Carolina">North Carolina</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Let%27srun" title="User:Let'srun">Let'srun</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Let%27srun" title="User talk:Let'srun">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Let'srun-20241127231200-Let'srun-20241127231200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Let'srun-20241127231200-Let'srun-20241127231200"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Let'srun-20241127231200-Let'srun-20241127231200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127231200","author":"Let'srun","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Let'srun-20241127231200-Let'srun-20241127231200","replies":[]}}--></span><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jax_MN-20241128004800-Let'srun-20241127231200"></span>*<small class="delsort-notice">This discussion has been included in the DelSort list for: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Fraternities_and_sororities" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Fraternities and sororities">list of Fraternities and sororities-related deletion discussions</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Jax_MN" title="User:Jax MN">Jax MN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jax_MN" title="User talk:Jax MN">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Jax_MN-20241128004800-Let'srun-20241127231200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jax_MN-20241128004800-Let'srun-20241127231200"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jax_MN-20241128004800-Let'srun-20241127231200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128004800","author":"Jax MN","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jax_MN-20241128004800-Let'srun-20241127231200","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jax_MN-20241128002000-Let'srun-20241127231200"></span>Keep</b> - This nomination was offered AFTER two significant references were added, confirming notability and accuracy. While yes, they are from the University, they are operationally distinct from the organizations themselves and are secondary in nature. Student organizations, normally operating without fanfare, are typically not the subject of national news. Nevertheless, on their campuses and in their communities, they remain notable. Some exist for as long as the college has existed. To summarize, this is a list class article, and a work in progress. Deletion would serve no purpose. <a href="/wiki/User:Jax_MN" title="User:Jax MN">Jax MN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jax_MN" title="User talk:Jax MN">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Jax_MN-20241128002000-Let'srun-20241127231200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jax_MN-20241128002000-Let'srun-20241127231200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128002000","author":"Jax MN","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jax_MN-20241128002000-Let'srun-20241127231200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jax_MN-20241128002000-Let'srun-20241127231200"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland-Organizations_deletion-20241127074500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland-Organizations_deletion-20241127074500"></span><a href="/wiki/Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland" title="Lay Observer for Northern Ireland">Lay Observer for Northern Ireland</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland-Organizations_deletion-20241127074500"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Lay Observer for Northern Ireland"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span id="Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland" title="Lay Observer for Northern Ireland"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alpha3031-20241127074500-Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland"></span>Lay Observer for Northern Ireland</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland" title="Special:EditPage/Lay Observer for Northern Ireland">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:Lay Observer for Northern Ireland (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland" title="Special:PageHistory/Lay Observer for Northern Ireland">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland" title="Special:ProtectPage/Lay Observer for Northern Ireland">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland" title="Special:DeletePage/Lay Observer for Northern Ireland">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Lay+Observer+for+Northern+Ireland">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lay Observer for Northern Ireland">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1245579702/cur" title="Special:Diff/1245579702/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Lay+Observer+for+Northern+Ireland%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Lay+Observer+for+Northern+Ireland%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Lay+Observer+for+Northern+Ireland%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Lay+Observer+for+Northern+Ireland%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Lay+Observer+for+Northern+Ireland%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Lay+Observer+for+Northern+Ireland%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Lay+Observer+for+Northern+Ireland%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Lay+Observer+for+Northern+Ireland%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Can't really find any in-depth sources on this, though there is the potential to redirect (after adding a mention) either to <a href="/wiki/Department_of_Finance_(Northern_Ireland)" title="Department of Finance (Northern Ireland)">Department of Finance (Northern Ireland)</a> or maybe <a href="/wiki/Ombudsman_services_by_country" title="Ombudsman services by country">Ombudsman services by country</a>, so thought I'd put it up for discussion instead of PROD or CSD. <a href="/wiki/User:Alpha3031" title="User:Alpha3031">Alpha3031</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alpha3031" title="User talk:Alpha3031">t</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alpha3031" title="Special:Contributions/Alpha3031">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Alpha3031-20241127074500-Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alpha3031-20241127074500-Lay_Observer_for_Northern_Ireland"><span 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Mardan_Blue_Star_FC&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mardan_Blue_Star_FC&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Mardan+Blue+Star+FC">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Mardan_Blue_Star_FC&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mardan_Blue_Star_FC" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mardan Blue Star FC">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1226406112/cur" title="Special:Diff/1226406112/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Mardan+Blue+Star+FC%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Mardan+Blue+Star+FC%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Mardan+Blue+Star+FC%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Mardan+Blue+Star+FC%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Mardan+Blue+Star+FC%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Mardan+Blue+Star+FC%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Mardan+Blue+Star+FC%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Mardan+Blue+Star+FC%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Oof the seven reference, 4 are databases, 2 don't even mention them and one has a paragraph w3hich says they were going to the finals one year. All of the content is derived from database factoids. Say the last played 10 years ago but never eves says what happened to them. <b style="color: #0000cc;"><i>North8000</i></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:North8000#top" title="User talk:North8000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-North8000-20241126214400-Mardan_Blue_Star_FC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-North8000-20241126214400-Mardan_Blue_Star_FC"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Football" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Football">Football</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Pakistan" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Pakistan">Pakistan</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Spiderone" title="User:Spiderone"><span style="color: #996600">Spiderone</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spiderone" title="User talk:Spiderone"><span style="color:brown">(Talk to Spider)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Spiderone-20241126220100-North8000-20241126214400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spiderone-20241126220100-North8000-20241126214400"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spiderone-20241126220100-North8000-20241126214400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126220100","author":"Spiderone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Spiderone-20241126220100-North8000-20241126214400","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Svartner-20241126225900-North8000-20241126214400"></span>Redirect to <a href="/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_Pakistan" title="List of football clubs in Pakistan">List of football clubs in Pakistan</a></b> – As <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ATD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ATD">WP:ATD</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Svartner" title="User:Svartner">Svartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Svartner" title="User talk:Svartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Svartner-20241126225900-North8000-20241126214400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Svartner-20241126225900-North8000-20241126214400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126225900","author":"Svartner","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Svartner-20241126225900-North8000-20241126214400","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Svartner-20241126225900-North8000-20241126214400"></span></li> <li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wcquidditch-20241127061500-North8000-20241126214400"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">list of Organizations-related deletion discussions</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Wcquidditch" title="User:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">WC</span><i><span style="color:#999933">Quidditch</span></i></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wcquidditch" title="User talk:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">☎</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch" title="Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch"><span style="color:#999933">✎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wcquidditch-20241127061500-North8000-20241126214400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wcquidditch-20241127061500-North8000-20241126214400"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wcquidditch-20241127061500-North8000-20241126214400"><span 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Demt1298-20241127141400-North8000-20241126214400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demt1298-20241127141400-North8000-20241126214400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127141400","author":"Demt1298","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Demt1298-20241127141400-North8000-20241126214400","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demt1298-20241127141400-North8000-20241126214400"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikibear47-20241127152900-North8000-20241126214400"></span>Delete</b>: Lacks reliable secondary sources. <a href="/wiki/User:Wikibear47" title="User:Wikibear47">Wikibear47</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikibear47" title="User talk:Wikibear47">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wikibear47-20241127152900-North8000-20241126214400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikibear47-20241127152900-North8000-20241126214400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127152900","author":"Wikibear47","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wikibear47-20241127152900-North8000-20241126214400","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikibear47-20241127152900-North8000-20241126214400"></span></li> <li><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GiantSnowman-20241127202800-North8000-20241126214400"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football#Nominations_for_deletion_and_page_moves" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Football">WikiProject Football</a>'s list of association football-related deletions. <a href="/wiki/User:GiantSnowman" title="User:GiantSnowman">Giant</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GiantSnowman" title="User talk:GiantSnowman">Snowman</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-GiantSnowman-20241127202800-North8000-20241126214400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GiantSnowman-20241127202800-North8000-20241126214400"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GiantSnowman-20241127203400-North8000-20241126214400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127203400","author":"GiantSnowman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GiantSnowman-20241127203400-North8000-20241126214400","replies":[],"displayName":"Giant"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GiantSnowman-20241127203400-North8000-20241126214400"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Chand_FC_Layyah" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chand_FC_Layyah-Organizations_deletion-20241126214700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chand_FC_Layyah-Organizations_deletion-20241126214700"></span><a href="/wiki/Chand_FC_Layyah" title="Chand FC Layyah">Chand FC Layyah</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chand_FC_Layyah-Organizations_deletion-20241126214700"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Chand_FC_Layyah&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Chand FC Layyah"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span id="Chand_FC_Layyah"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Chand_FC_Layyah" title="Chand FC Layyah"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-North8000-20241126214700-Chand_FC_Layyah"></span>Chand FC Layyah</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Chand_FC_Layyah" title="Special:EditPage/Chand FC Layyah">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Chand_FC_Layyah" title="Talk:Chand FC Layyah">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Chand_FC_Layyah" title="Special:PageHistory/Chand FC Layyah">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Chand_FC_Layyah" title="Special:ProtectPage/Chand FC Layyah">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Chand_FC_Layyah" title="Special:DeletePage/Chand FC Layyah">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Chand_FC_Layyah&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chand_FC_Layyah&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Chand+FC+Layyah">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Chand_FC_Layyah&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Chand_FC_Layyah" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chand FC Layyah">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1226137486/cur" title="Special:Diff/1226137486/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Chand+FC+Layyah%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Chand+FC+Layyah%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Chand+FC+Layyah%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Chand+FC+Layyah%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Chand+FC+Layyah%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Chand+FC+Layyah%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Chand+FC+Layyah%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Chand+FC+Layyah%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. All 6 of the references are just databases All of the content is derived from database factoids. Says the last played 11 years ago but never even says what happened to them. <b style="color: #0000cc;"><i>North8000</i></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:North8000#top" title="User talk:North8000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-North8000-20241126214700-Chand_FC_Layyah" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-North8000-20241126214700-Chand_FC_Layyah"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Football" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Football">Football</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Pakistan" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Pakistan">Pakistan</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Spiderone" title="User:Spiderone"><span style="color: #996600">Spiderone</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spiderone" title="User talk:Spiderone"><span style="color:brown">(Talk to Spider)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Spiderone-20241126220100-North8000-20241126214700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spiderone-20241126220100-North8000-20241126214700"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spiderone-20241126220100-North8000-20241126214700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126220100","author":"Spiderone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Spiderone-20241126220100-North8000-20241126214700","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Svartner-20241126225900-North8000-20241126214700"></span>Redirect to <a href="/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_Pakistan" title="List of football clubs in Pakistan">List of football clubs in Pakistan</a></b> – As <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ATD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ATD">WP:ATD</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Svartner" title="User:Svartner">Svartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Svartner" title="User talk:Svartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Svartner-20241126225900-North8000-20241126214700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Svartner-20241126225900-North8000-20241126214700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126225900","author":"Svartner","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Svartner-20241126225900-North8000-20241126214700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Svartner-20241126225900-North8000-20241126214700"></span></li> <li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wcquidditch-20241127061500-North8000-20241126214700"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">list of Organizations-related deletion discussions</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Wcquidditch" title="User:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">WC</span><i><span style="color:#999933">Quidditch</span></i></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wcquidditch" title="User talk:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">☎</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch" title="Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch"><span style="color:#999933">✎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wcquidditch-20241127061500-North8000-20241126214700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wcquidditch-20241127061500-North8000-20241126214700"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wcquidditch-20241127061500-North8000-20241126214700"><span 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Demt1298-20241127141300-North8000-20241126214700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demt1298-20241127141300-North8000-20241126214700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127141300","author":"Demt1298","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Demt1298-20241127141300-North8000-20241126214700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demt1298-20241127141300-North8000-20241126214700"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikibear47-20241127153000-North8000-20241126214700"></span>Delete</b>: Fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NSPORT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NSPORT">WP:NSPORT</a> along with GNG. <a href="/wiki/User:Wikibear47" title="User:Wikibear47">Wikibear47</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikibear47" title="User talk:Wikibear47">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wikibear47-20241127153000-North8000-20241126214700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikibear47-20241127153000-North8000-20241126214700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-GiantSnowman-20241127202800-North8000-20241126214700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GiantSnowman-20241127202800-North8000-20241126214700"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GiantSnowman-20241127202800-North8000-20241126214700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127202800","author":"GiantSnowman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GiantSnowman-20241127202800-North8000-20241126214700","replies":[],"displayName":"Giant"}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GiantSnowman-20241127203500-North8000-20241126214700"></span>Redirect</b> as above. <a href="/wiki/User:GiantSnowman" title="User:GiantSnowman">Giant</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GiantSnowman" title="User talk:GiantSnowman">Snowman</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-GiantSnowman-20241127203500-North8000-20241126214700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GiantSnowman-20241127203500-North8000-20241126214700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Robotics_Design_Inc.&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Robotics Design Inc."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span id="Robotics_Design_Inc."></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Robotics_Design_Inc." title="Robotics Design Inc."><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BD2412-20241127013600-Robotics_Design_Inc."></span>Robotics Design Inc.</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Robotics_Design_Inc." title="Special:EditPage/Robotics Design Inc.">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Robotics_Design_Inc." title="Talk:Robotics Design Inc.">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Robotics_Design_Inc." title="Special:PageHistory/Robotics Design Inc.">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Robotics_Design_Inc." title="Special:ProtectPage/Robotics Design Inc.">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Robotics_Design_Inc." title="Special:DeletePage/Robotics Design Inc.">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Robotics_Design_Inc.&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robotics_Design_Inc.&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Robotics+Design+Inc.">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Robotics_Design_Inc.&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Robotics_Design_Inc." title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robotics Design Inc.">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1194823594/cur" title="Special:Diff/1194823594/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" 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newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Robotics+Design+Inc.%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Robotics+Design+Inc.%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Tagged as COI for 15 years. Wikipedia is not a permanent webhost for COI content. <a href="/wiki/User:BD2412" title="User:BD2412"><span style="background:gold"><i><b>BD2412</b></i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BD2412" title="User talk:BD2412"><b>T</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-BD2412-20241127013600-Robotics_Design_Inc." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BD2412-20241127013600-Robotics_Design_Inc."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-BD2412-20241127013600-BD2412-20241127013600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BD2412-20241127013600-BD2412-20241127013600"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BD2412-20241127013600-BD2412-20241127013600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127013600","author":"BD2412","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BD2412-20241127013600-BD2412-20241127013600","replies":[]}}--></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greglocock-20241127031500-BD2412-20241127013600"></span>KEEP (for the time being)- COI hasn't been discussed on the talk page, as the COI box suggests should happen. <a href="/wiki/User:Greglocock" title="User:Greglocock">Greglocock</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greglocock" title="User talk:Greglocock">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Greglocock-20241127031500-BD2412-20241127013600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greglocock-20241127031500-BD2412-20241127013600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127031500","author":"Greglocock","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greglocock-20241127031500-BD2412-20241127013600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greglocock-20241127031500-BD2412-20241127013600"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wcquidditch-20241127060800-BD2412-20241127013600"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Companies" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Companies">Companies</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Technology" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Technology">Technology</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Canada" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Canada">Canada</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Wcquidditch" title="User:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">WC</span><i><span style="color:#999933">Quidditch</span></i></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wcquidditch" title="User talk:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">☎</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch" title="Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch"><span style="color:#999933">✎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wcquidditch-20241127060800-BD2412-20241127013600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wcquidditch-20241127060800-BD2412-20241127013600"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wcquidditch-20241127060800-BD2412-20241127013600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/PLAY:_The_Games_Festival&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PLAY:_The_Games_Festival&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=PLAY%3A+The+Games+Festival">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=PLAY:_The_Games_Festival&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/PLAY:_The_Games_Festival" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PLAY: The Games Festival">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1224467448/cur" title="Special:Diff/1224467448/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22PLAY%3A+The+Games+Festival%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22PLAY%3A+The+Games+Festival%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22PLAY%3A+The+Games+Festival%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Tagged as COI for 15 years. Wikipedia is not a permanent webhost for COI content. <a href="/wiki/User:BD2412" title="User:BD2412"><span style="background:gold"><i><b>BD2412</b></i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BD2412" title="User talk:BD2412"><b>T</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-BD2412-20241127013500-PLAY:_The_Games_Festival" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BD2412-20241127013500-PLAY:_The_Games_Festival"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127013500","author":"BD2412","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BD2412-20241127013500-PLAY:_The_Games_Festival","replies":["c-BD2412-20241127013500-BD2412-20241127013500","c-Wcquidditch-20241127060900-BD2412-20241127013500","c-KEmel49-20241127191400-BD2412-20241127013500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BD2412-20241127013500-PLAY:_The_Games_Festival"></span> </p> <ul><li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BD2412-20241127013500-BD2412-20241127013500"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">list of Organizations-related deletion discussions</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:BD2412" title="User:BD2412"><span style="background:gold"><i><b>BD2412</b></i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BD2412" title="User talk:BD2412"><b>T</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-BD2412-20241127013500-BD2412-20241127013500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BD2412-20241127013500-BD2412-20241127013500"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BD2412-20241127013500-BD2412-20241127013500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127013500","author":"BD2412","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BD2412-20241127013500-BD2412-20241127013500","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wcquidditch-20241127060900-BD2412-20241127013500"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Events" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Events">Events</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Games" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Games">Games</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Italy" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Italy">Italy</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Wcquidditch" title="User:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">WC</span><i><span style="color:#999933">Quidditch</span></i></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wcquidditch" title="User talk:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">☎</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch" title="Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch"><span style="color:#999933">✎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wcquidditch-20241127060900-BD2412-20241127013500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:09, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wcquidditch-20241127060900-BD2412-20241127013500"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wcquidditch-20241127060900-BD2412-20241127013500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127060900","author":"Wcquidditch","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wcquidditch-20241127060900-BD2412-20241127013500","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KEmel49-20241127191400-BD2412-20241127013500"></span>Delete</b>: Whole article stands on a single article which seems to have a COI. Also this article has been tagged as COI for years.––<a href="/wiki/User:KEmel49" title="User:KEmel49">kemel49</a><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KEmel49" title="User talk:KEmel49">connect</a>)(<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/KEmel49" title="Special:Contributions/KEmel49">contri</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-KEmel49-20241127191400-BD2412-20241127013500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KEmel49-20241127191400-BD2412-20241127013500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/OCEAN_Design_Research_Association&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: OCEAN Design Research Association"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span id="OCEAN_Design_Research_Association"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/OCEAN_Design_Research_Association" title="OCEAN Design Research Association"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BD2412-20241127013500-OCEAN_Design_Research_Association"></span>OCEAN Design Research Association</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/OCEAN_Design_Research_Association" title="Special:EditPage/OCEAN Design Research Association">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:OCEAN_Design_Research_Association" title="Talk:OCEAN Design Research Association">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/OCEAN_Design_Research_Association" title="Special:PageHistory/OCEAN Design Research Association">history</a><span 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data-mw-thread-id="h-Greater_Phoenix_Economic_Council-Organizations_deletion-20241126224400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Greater_Phoenix_Economic_Council-Organizations_deletion-20241126224400"></span><a href="/wiki/Greater_Phoenix_Economic_Council" title="Greater Phoenix Economic Council">Greater Phoenix Economic Council</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Greater_Phoenix_Economic_Council-Organizations_deletion-20241126224400"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Greater_Phoenix_Economic_Council&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Greater Phoenix Economic Council"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span id="Greater_Phoenix_Economic_Council"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Greater_Phoenix_Economic_Council" title="Greater Phoenix Economic Council"><span data-mw-comment-start="" 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/North_Rhine-Westphalian_Academy_of_Sciences_and_the_Arts&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: North Rhine-Westphalian Academy of Sciences and the Arts"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span id="North_Rhine-Westphalian_Academy_of_Sciences_and_the_Arts"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/North_Rhine-Westphalian_Academy_of_Sciences_and_the_Arts" title="North Rhine-Westphalian Academy of Sciences and the Arts"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xpander1-20241126153600-North_Rhine-Westphalian_Academy_of_Sciences_and_the_Arts"></span>North Rhine-Westphalian Academy of Sciences and the Arts</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/North_Rhine-Westphalian_Academy_of_Sciences_and_the_Arts" title="Special:EditPage/North Rhine-Westphalian Academy of Sciences and the Arts">edit</a> | <a 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title="Wikipedia:Independent sources">WP:independent sources</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Xpander1" title="User:Xpander1">Xpander</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xpander1" title="User talk:Xpander1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Xpander1-20241126153600-North_Rhine-Westphalian_Academy_of_Sciences_and_the_Arts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xpander1-20241126153600-North_Rhine-Westphalian_Academy_of_Sciences_and_the_Arts"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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<b><a href="/wiki/User:Wcquidditch" title="User:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">WC</span><i><span style="color:#999933">Quidditch</span></i></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wcquidditch" title="User talk:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">☎</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch" title="Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch"><span style="color:#999933">✎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wcquidditch-20241126194000-Xpander1-20241126153600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wcquidditch-20241126194000-Xpander1-20241126153600"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wcquidditch-20241126194000-Xpander1-20241126153600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Otago_Gold_Rush_(basketball)&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Otago Gold Rush (basketball)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span id="Otago_Gold_Rush_(basketball)"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Otago_Gold_Rush_(basketball)" title="Otago Gold Rush (basketball)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DaHuzyBru-20241126050600-Otago_Gold_Rush_(basketball)"></span>Otago Gold Rush (basketball)</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Otago_Gold_Rush_(basketball)" title="Special:EditPage/Otago Gold Rush (basketball)">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Otago_Gold_Rush_(basketball)" title="Talk:Otago Gold Rush (basketball)">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Otago_Gold_Rush_(basketball)" title="Special:PageHistory/Otago Gold Rush (basketball)">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Otago_Gold_Rush_(basketball)" title="Special:ProtectPage/Otago Gold Rush (basketball)">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Otago_Gold_Rush_(basketball)" title="Special:DeletePage/Otago Gold Rush (basketball)">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Otago_Gold_Rush_(basketball)&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Otago_Gold_Rush_(basketball)&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Otago+Gold+Rush+%28basketball%29">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Otago_Gold_Rush_(basketball)&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Otago_Gold_Rush_(basketball)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Otago Gold Rush (basketball)">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1259531518/cur" title="Special:Diff/1259531518/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Otago+Gold+Rush%22+basketball">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Otago+Gold+Rush%22+basketball+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Otago+Gold+Rush%22+basketball+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Otago+Gold+Rush%22+basketball">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Otago+Gold+Rush%22+basketball+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Otago+Gold+Rush%22+basketball">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Otago+Gold+Rush%22+basketball&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Otago+Gold+Rush%22+basketball">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NORG">WP:NORG</a> <a 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wcquidditch-20241126051800-DaHuzyBru-20241126050600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wcquidditch-20241126051800-DaHuzyBru-20241126050600"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wcquidditch-20241126051800-DaHuzyBru-20241126050600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126051800","author":"Wcquidditch","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wcquidditch-20241126051800-DaHuzyBru-20241126050600","replies":[]}}--></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alexeyevitch-20241126081600-DaHuzyBru-20241126050600"></span>Delete</b>. <span style="font-family:cursive;color:DarkBlue;cursor:help"><span><a href="/wiki/User:Alexeyevitch" title="User:Alexeyevitch">Alexeyevitch</a></span><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexeyevitch" title="User talk:Alexeyevitch">talk</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Alexeyevitch-20241126081600-DaHuzyBru-20241126050600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alexeyevitch-20241126081600-DaHuzyBru-20241126050600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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over for Gold Rush</i></a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/basketball/basketball-otago-crowned-wbc-champions/TSJ7MJC66L4PBSDV2WIGOPYGE4/"><i>Basketball: Otago crowned WBC champions</i></a> <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Alvaldi" title="User:Alvaldi">Alvaldi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alvaldi#top" title="User talk:Alvaldi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alvaldi" title="Special:Contributions/Alvaldi">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Alvaldi-20241126095900-DaHuzyBru-20241126050600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alvaldi-20241126095900-DaHuzyBru-20241126050600"><span 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Are you willing to demonstrate this team's notability by expanding the article? A general google search of "otago gold rush basketball" doesn't yield many results. That first article you linked for example is a copy and paste from Basketball New Zealand. The page is also a borderline <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Orphan" title="Wikipedia:Orphan">Orphan</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:DaHuzyBru" title="User:DaHuzyBru">DaHuzyBru</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DaHuzyBru" title="User talk:DaHuzyBru">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-DaHuzyBru-20241126103600-Alvaldi-20241126095900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DaHuzyBru-20241126103600-Alvaldi-20241126095900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Association+of+Local+Government+Archaeological+Officers%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Association+of+Local+Government+Archaeological+Officers%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Association+of+Local+Government+Archaeological+Officers%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Association+of+Local+Government+Archaeological+Officers%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Association+of+Local+Government+Archaeological+Officers%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Association+of+Local+Government+Archaeological+Officers%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Association+of+Local+Government+Archaeological+Officers%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Association+of+Local+Government+Archaeological+Officers%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>I haven't been able to find any <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">significant coverage of this organisation</a> in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INDEPENDENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INDEPENDENT">reliable third-party sources</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe" title="User:Joe Roe">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe" title="User talk:Joe Roe">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Joe_Roe-20241125113700-Association_of_Local_Government_Archaeological_Officers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe-20241125113700-Association_of_Local_Government_Archaeological_Officers"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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style="color:#999933">✎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wcquidditch-20241125114300-Joe_Roe-20241125113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wcquidditch-20241125114300-Joe_Roe-20241125113700"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wcquidditch-20241125114300-Joe_Roe-20241125113700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125114300","author":"Wcquidditch","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wcquidditch-20241125114300-Joe_Roe-20241125113700","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alexandermcnabb-20241125120100-Joe_Roe-20241125113700"></span>Keep</b> Good grief: "ALGAO is the national body representing local government archaeological services on behalf of County, District, Unitary and National Park authorities. ALGAO co-ordinates the views of member authorities (110 in total) and presents them to government and to other national organisations. It also acts as an advisor to the Local Government Association on archaeological matters." Massively influential national body representing archaeology at every level of government in the UK. That's not notable? Do me a lemon! Best <a href="/wiki/User:Alexandermcnabb" title="User:Alexandermcnabb">Alexandermcnabb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexandermcnabb" title="User talk:Alexandermcnabb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Alexandermcnabb-20241125120100-Joe_Roe-20241125113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alexandermcnabb-20241125120100-Joe_Roe-20241125113700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125120100","author":"Alexandermcnabb","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Alexandermcnabb-20241125120100-Joe_Roe-20241125113700","replies":["c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20241125175500-Alexandermcnabb-20241125120100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alexandermcnabb-20241125120100-Joe_Roe-20241125113700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20241125175500-Alexandermcnabb-20241125120100"></span>That may well be so, but has it translated to any usable sources? I came across this article because it's been unreferenced for thirteen years—one of the few remaining unreferenced archaeology articles left, by the way—and after some time searching I couldn't rectify that. I'm happy to be corrected but without sources we can't write an article, no matter how influential the subject. – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe_(mobile)" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Joe Roe (mobile)">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe_(mobile)" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Joe Roe (mobile)">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20241125175500-Alexandermcnabb-20241125120100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20241125175500-Alexandermcnabb-20241125120100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125175500","author":"Joe Roe (mobile)","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20241125175500-Alexandermcnabb-20241125120100","replies":[],"displayName":"Joe"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20241125175500-Alexandermcnabb-20241125120100"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LibStar-20241127053400-Joe_Roe-20241125113700"></span>Delete</b> it may be a "massively influential national body" but where's the coverage? Google news comes up with 4 hits, 1st and 3rd being not indepth and 4th is a letter to a newspaper. There are plenty of google books hits but most seem 1 line mentions when I looked at the first few pages of results. Fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORG">WP:ORG</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:LibStar" title="User:LibStar">LibStar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LibStar" title="User talk:LibStar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-LibStar-20241127053400-Joe_Roe-20241125113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LibStar-20241127053400-Joe_Roe-20241125113700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127053400","author":"LibStar","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LibStar-20241127053400-Joe_Roe-20241125113700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LibStar-20241127053400-Joe_Roe-20241125113700"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alexandermcnabb-20241127075800-Joe_Roe-20241125113700"></span>Comment</b> I added sourcing to the article, one of the strongest cases of 'presumed notability' I've seen in a long while. Best <a href="/wiki/User:Alexandermcnabb" title="User:Alexandermcnabb">Alexandermcnabb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexandermcnabb" title="User talk:Alexandermcnabb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Alexandermcnabb-20241127075800-Joe_Roe-20241125113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alexandermcnabb-20241127075800-Joe_Roe-20241125113700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127075800","author":"Alexandermcnabb","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Alexandermcnabb-20241127075800-Joe_Roe-20241125113700","replies":["c-Joe_Roe-20241127081100-Alexandermcnabb-20241127075800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alexandermcnabb-20241127075800-Joe_Roe-20241125113700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe-20241127081100-Alexandermcnabb-20241127075800"></span>Thanks. However, you added nine references, and: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.google.dk/books/edition/Becoming_an_Archaeologist/N7qVEAAAQBAJ">[1]</a> has just a single sentence stating what ALGAO is; <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.local.gov.uk/about/our-meetings-and-leadership/special-interest-groups/association-local-government">[2]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://cis.ihs.com/CIS/document/258898">[3]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://orcid.org/0000-0003-3217-6660">[4]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmcumeds/506/506ap07.htm">[5]</a> are reports and publications of ALGAO itself; <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://historicengland.org.uk/whats-new/debate/archaeology-in-development-management/">[6]</a> is a press release about a report ALGAO produced; and <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.thetimes.com/article/decolonise-the-english-oppressors-say-welsh-06b8rppqf">[7]</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.hoover.org/research/woke-comes-wales">[8]</a> offer passing mentions in the context of a manufactured "war on woke" story; and <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-59069612">[9]</a> doesn't mention the subject. So we still have no significant coverage in independent sources. Notability does appear to have been presumed for the last decade, but that presumption has so far proved wrong. – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe" title="User:Joe Roe">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe" title="User talk:Joe Roe">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Joe_Roe-20241127081100-Alexandermcnabb-20241127075800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe-20241127081100-Alexandermcnabb-20241127075800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127081100","author":"Joe Roe","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Joe_Roe-20241127081100-Alexandermcnabb-20241127075800","replies":[],"displayName":"Joe"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe-20241127081100-Alexandermcnabb-20241127075800"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Trucks_and_Bus_Company" data-mw-thread-id="h-Trucks_and_Bus_Company-Organizations_deletion-20241125060000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Trucks_and_Bus_Company-Organizations_deletion-20241125060000"></span><a href="/wiki/Trucks_and_Bus_Company" title="Trucks and Bus Company">Trucks and Bus Company</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Trucks_and_Bus_Company-Organizations_deletion-20241125060000"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Trucks_and_Bus_Company_(2nd_nomination)&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Trucks and Bus Company"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="other-afds" style="width:33%; border: 1px solid #a2a9b1; background-color: var(--background-color-interactive-subtle, #f8f9fa); color: var(--color-base, inherit); margin: 0.5em 0 0.5em 1em; padding: 0.2em; float: right; clear: right; font-size: 88%; min-width:20em; max-width: 100%"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imcdc-20241125060000-Trucks_and_Bus_Company"></span>AfDs for this article: <ul class="mw-prefixindex-list"><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Trucks_and_Bus_Company" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trucks and Bus Company">Articles for deletion/Trucks and Bus Company</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Trucks_and_Bus_Company_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trucks and Bus Company (2nd nomination)">Articles for deletion/Trucks and Bus Company (2nd nomination)</a></li> </ul> </div> <dl><dd><span id="Trucks_and_Bus_Company"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Trucks_and_Bus_Company" title="Trucks and Bus Company">Trucks and Bus Company</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Trucks_and_Bus_Company" title="Special:EditPage/Trucks and Bus Company">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Trucks_and_Bus_Company" title="Talk:Trucks and Bus Company">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Trucks_and_Bus_Company" title="Special:PageHistory/Trucks and Bus Company">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Trucks_and_Bus_Company" title="Special:ProtectPage/Trucks and Bus Company">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Trucks_and_Bus_Company" title="Special:DeletePage/Trucks and Bus Company">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Trucks_and_Bus_Company&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trucks_and_Bus_Company&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Trucks+and+Bus+Company">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Trucks_and_Bus_Company&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Trucks_and_Bus_Company_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trucks and Bus Company (2nd nomination)">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1254513406/cur" title="Special:Diff/1254513406/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Trucks+and+Bus+Company%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Trucks+and+Bus+Company%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Trucks+and+Bus+Company%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Trucks+and+Bus+Company%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Trucks+and+Bus+Company%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Trucks+and+Bus+Company%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Trucks+and+Bus+Company%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Trucks+and+Bus+Company%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCORP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCORP">WP:NCORP</a>. I noticed this was nominated over 10 years ago with a decision to keep. However those sources fail WP:SIRS as they are not in-depth. The criteria for companies are much more stringent now. <a href="/wiki/User:Imcdc" title="User:Imcdc"><b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#40E0D0"> Imcdc</b></a> <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imcdc" title="User talk:Imcdc"><span style="color:#FFF"><b>Contact</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Imcdc-20241125060000-Trucks_and_Bus_Company" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Imcdc-20241125060000-Trucks_and_Bus_Company"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125060000","author":"Imcdc","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Imcdc-20241125060000-Trucks_and_Bus_Company","replies":["c-Imcdc-20241125060000-Imcdc-20241125060000","c-4meter4-20241126013900-Imcdc-20241125060000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Imcdc-20241125060000-Trucks_and_Bus_Company"></span> </p> <ul><li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imcdc-20241125060000-Imcdc-20241125060000"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a class="mw-selflink selflink">Organizations</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Companies" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Companies">Companies</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Transportation" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Transportation">Transportation</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Libya" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Libya">Libya</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Imcdc" title="User:Imcdc"><b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#40E0D0"> Imcdc</b></a> <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imcdc" title="User talk:Imcdc"><span style="color:#FFF"><b>Contact</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Imcdc-20241125060000-Imcdc-20241125060000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Imcdc-20241125060000-Imcdc-20241125060000"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Imcdc-20241125060000-Imcdc-20241125060000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125060000","author":"Imcdc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Imcdc-20241125060000-Imcdc-20241125060000","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-4meter4-20241126013900-Imcdc-20241125060000"></span>Delete</b>. Fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORG">WP:ORG</a>.<a href="/wiki/User:4meter4" title="User:4meter4">4meter4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:4meter4" title="User talk:4meter4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-4meter4-20241126013900-Imcdc-20241125060000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-4meter4-20241126013900-Imcdc-20241125060000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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<a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Action_Democratic_Movement_Party_(Namibia)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:Action Democratic Movement Party (Namibia) (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Action_Democratic_Movement_Party_(Namibia)" title="Special:PageHistory/Action Democratic Movement Party (Namibia)">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Action_Democratic_Movement_Party_(Namibia)" title="Special:ProtectPage/Action Democratic Movement Party (Namibia)">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Action_Democratic_Movement_Party_(Namibia)" title="Special:DeletePage/Action Democratic Movement Party (Namibia)">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Action_Democratic_Movement_Party_(Namibia)&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Action_Democratic_Movement_Party_(Namibia)&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Action+Democratic+Movement+Party+%28Namibia%29">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Action_Democratic_Movement_Party_(Namibia)&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Action_Democratic_Movement_Party_(Namibia)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Action Democratic Movement Party (Namibia)">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1259402380/cur" title="Special:Diff/1259402380/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Action+Democratic+Movement+Party%22+Namibia">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Action+Democratic+Movement+Party%22+Namibia+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Action+Democratic+Movement+Party%22+Namibia+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Action+Democratic+Movement+Party%22+Namibia">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Action+Democratic+Movement+Party%22+Namibia+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Action+Democratic+Movement+Party%22+Namibia">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Action+Democratic+Movement+Party%22+Namibia&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Action+Democratic+Movement+Party%22+Namibia">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Non-notable political party. I was able to find very little independent sources online, and headlines like <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.namibian.com.na/action-democratic-movement-dying-on-arrival/">this</a> aren't exactly promising. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-CanonNi-20241125005300-Action_Democratic_Movement_Party_(Namibia)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241125005300-Action_Democratic_Movement_Party_(Namibia)"><span 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data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241125005300-CanonNi-20241125005300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125005300","author":"CanonNi","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CanonNi-20241125005300-CanonNi-20241125005300","replies":[],"displayName":"User:CanonNi"}}--></span></li> <li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wcquidditch-20241125051000-CanonNi-20241125005300"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Africa" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Africa">list of Africa-related deletion discussions</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Wcquidditch" title="User:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">WC</span><i><span style="color:#999933">Quidditch</span></i></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wcquidditch" title="User talk:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">☎</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch" title="Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch"><span style="color:#999933">✎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wcquidditch-20241125051000-CanonNi-20241125005300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wcquidditch-20241125051000-CanonNi-20241125005300"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wcquidditch-20241125051000-CanonNi-20241125005300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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It's a registered party and should be included in that list, but that's about it. It opted out of the most recent election. May be notable at some point, but as of now there is no <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a>. See <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.namibian.com.na/battle-lines-drawn-15-enter-presidential-race/">[10]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://nbcnews.na/index.php/elections2024?page=7">[11]</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:4meter4" title="User:4meter4">4meter4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:4meter4" title="User talk:4meter4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-4meter4-20241125164900-CanonNi-20241125005300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-4meter4-20241125164900-CanonNi-20241125005300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125164900","author":"4meter4","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-4meter4-20241125164900-CanonNi-20241125005300","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-4meter4-20241125164900-CanonNi-20241125005300"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Mega_Society" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mega_Society-Organizations_deletion-20241124144400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mega_Society-Organizations_deletion-20241124144400"></span><a href="/wiki/Mega_Society" title="Mega Society">Mega Society</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mega_Society-Organizations_deletion-20241124144400"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mega_Society_(2nd_nomination)&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Mega Society"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="other-afds" style="width:33%; border: 1px solid #a2a9b1; background-color: var(--background-color-interactive-subtle, #f8f9fa); color: var(--color-base, inherit); margin: 0.5em 0 0.5em 1em; padding: 0.2em; float: right; clear: right; font-size: 88%; min-width:20em; max-width: 100%"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sirfurboy-20241124144400-Mega_Society"></span>AfDs for this article: <div class="mw-prefixindex-body"><ul class="mw-prefixindex-list"><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mega_Society" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mega Society">Articles for deletion/Mega Society</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mega_Society_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mega Society (2nd nomination)">Articles for deletion/Mega Society (2nd nomination)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mega_Society_(second_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mega Society (second nomination)">Articles for deletion/Mega Society (second nomination)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mega_Society_(third_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mega Society (third nomination)">Articles for deletion/Mega Society (third nomination)</a></li> </ul></div> </div> <dl><dd><span id="Mega_Society"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Mega_Society" title="Mega Society">Mega Society</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Mega_Society" title="Special:EditPage/Mega Society">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Mega_Society" title="Talk:Mega Society">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Mega_Society" title="Special:PageHistory/Mega Society">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Mega_Society" title="Special:ProtectPage/Mega Society">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Mega_Society" title="Special:DeletePage/Mega Society">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Mega_Society&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mega_Society&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Mega+Society">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Mega_Society&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mega_Society_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mega Society (2nd nomination)">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1259258934/cur" title="Special:Diff/1259258934/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Mega+Society%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Mega+Society%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Mega+Society%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Mega+Society%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Mega+Society%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Mega+Society%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Mega+Society%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Mega+Society%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Not a notable society, it does not meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NORG">WP:NORG</a>. It has been through 5 previous deletion discussions - deleted 3 times, no consensus once and kept once (in 2008). There are multiple sources on the page that I have carefully reviewed (I have collapsed the source analysis as it is long). The TL;DR is that some of its members are notable (and have pages): particularly <a href="/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant" title="Marilyn vos Savant">Marilyn vos Savant</a>. However, all other mentions in the sources are limited to the society's entry qualification which is supposedly 1 in a million IQ range (but is not, in fact). Many sources repeat that claim - some more critically than others - but no secondary sources go beyond this and tell us what this society does, what its outputs are, what its remit or purpose is, etc. It is essentially a club with a difficult entry requirement that does nothing notable. The founder, <a href="/wiki/Ronald_K._Hoeflin" title="Ronald K. Hoeflin">Ronald K. Hoeflin</a> has a page (and also a string of other non notable societies to his name). Redirect there would be one possible AfD outcome. </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256386598">.mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#F0F2F5;color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#CCFFCC;color:inherit}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}</style> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Source Analysis</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <table class="wikitable sortable" style="background:transparent;"> <caption style="border:1px solid transparent;"><small>Created with templates <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:ORGCRIT_assess_table" title="Template:ORGCRIT assess table">ORGCRIT assess table</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:ORGCRIT_assess" title="Template:ORGCRIT assess">ORGCRIT assess</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span><br/>This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor.</small> </caption> <tbody><tr> <th style="border-right: 3px solid grey;">Source </th> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_independent_sources" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Identifying and using independent sources">Independent?</a> </th> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">Reliable?</a> </th> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#General_notability_guideline" title="Wikipedia:Notability">Significant coverage?</a> </th> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary,_secondary_and_tertiary_sources" title="Wikipedia:No original research">Secondary?</a> </th> <th style="border-left: 3px solid grey;">Overall value toward <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORGCRIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORGCRIT">ORGCRIT</a> </th></tr> <tr style="background:#f8f9fa;"> <td style="border-right: 3px solid grey;"><div style="font-size:85%;"> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://megasociety.org/">https://megasociety.org/</a> (multiple)</li></ul></div> </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> The society's own web page, and in addition, their journal, Noesis, are clearly primary sources and also lack independence for the same reason. It is clear that any historian who wanted to write a history (a secondary source) about this society would find a gold mine in the pages of Noesis. However we cannot use that for a tertiary encyclopaedic article. We must wait for the historians first. </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> </td> <td style="border-left: 3px solid gray; background:#FFD2D2; text-align:center"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Dark_Red_x.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr style="background:#f8f9fa;"> <td style="border-right: 3px solid grey;"><div style="font-size:85%;"> <ul><li><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFEllen_Graham1992" class="citation news cs1">Ellen Graham (1992-04-09). "For Minds of Mega, The Mensa Test Is a Real No-Brainer -- Rival IQ Societies Bicker Over Scores and Styles; Cindy Brady's Velocity". <i>The Wall Street Journal</i>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.jtitle=The+Wall+Street+Journal&rft.atitle=For+Minds+of+Mega%2C+The+Mensa+Test+Is+a+Real+No-Brainer+--+Rival+IQ+Societies+Bicker+Over+Scores+and+Styles%3B+Cindy+Brady%27s+Velocity&rft.date=1992-04-09&rft.au=Ellen+Graham&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul></div> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> Cannot see any indication it is not independent </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> I have given it a yes on the assumption that the copies available <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://miyaguchi.4sigma.org/readingmaterial/WSJ_Mega.html">[12]</a> are what was published, but I have not been able to find the original yet to verify this. </td> <td data-sort-value="" style="background: #DDF; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="skin-invert no table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Blue_question_mark_(italic).svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/13px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/20px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/26px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> This one goes a little further than most articles, but it is really about what Mega Society is not. It verifies its claims, and then subjects them to some scrutiny. <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">The Mega Test, he says, measures "doggedness and reference skills."</q> But again, there is really no ORGDEPTH here. It is all about who is allowed to join and nothing about what the society does. Nothing about outputs or impact or anything that would normally make a society notable. All we really see is it is notable for using a home made test to allegedly find the super intelligent (and doesn't really). That is all. </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td style="border-left: 3px solid gray; background:#DDF; text-align:center"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Blue_question_mark_(italic).svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/13px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/20px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/26px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr style="background:#f8f9fa;"> <td style="border-right: 3px solid grey;"><div style="font-size:85%;"> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFRex_Jung2014" class="citation web cs1">Rex Jung (2014-06-17). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-of-genius2/">"The Science of Genius"</a>. <i>Scientific American</i><span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2024-10-06</span></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=Scientific+American&rft.atitle=The+Science+of+Genius&rft.date=2014-06-17&rft.au=Rex+Jung&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scientificamerican.com%2Farticle%2Fthe-science-of-genius2%2F&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFG._Miller2012" class="citation web cs1">G. Miller (May 1, 2012). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/get-smart1/">"Get smart"</a>. <i>Scientific American</i><span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2024-10-06</span></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=Scientific+American&rft.atitle=Get+smart&rft.date=2012-05-01&rft.au=G.+Miller&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scientificamerican.com%2Farticle%2Fget-smart1%2F&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFSandy_Rovner2015" class="citation web cs1">Sandy Rovner (2015-01-01). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-high-iqs-hang-out1/">"When High IQs Hang Out"</a>. <i>Scientific American</i><span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2024-10-06</span></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=Scientific+American&rft.atitle=When+High+IQs+Hang+Out&rft.date=2015-01-01&rft.au=Sandy+Rovner&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scientificamerican.com%2Farticle%2Fwhen-high-iqs-hang-out1%2F&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul></div> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> Small concerns about the similarity between articles (see below) but not enough to doubt the independence of this excellent source. </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> The first and lst of these have essentially the same text about the society despite being different authors. It would look like plagiarism, except that what is included is rather limited. Basically it is that the society claims to represent the 99.9999th percentile. The first one also mentions Langdon. Beyond the entry requirement, there is nothing about what the society is or does, nor history, nor activity. There is no in depth description of the society. It is basically just "pass this test, join this exclusive society". The first article adds "Critics question whether IQ tests measure intelligence accurately" but there is nothing more critical or in depth than this. None of these meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORGDEPTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORGDEPTH">WP:ORGDEPTHn</a> and you cannot create a page about an organisation based entirely upon its entry requirements. </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td style="border-left: 3px solid gray; background:#FFD2D2; text-align:center"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Dark_Red_x.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr style="background:#f8f9fa;"> <td style="border-right: 3px solid grey;"><div style="font-size:85%;"> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFAnderson1988" class="citation news cs1">Anderson, Jack (November 28, 1988). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1988/11/28/is-176-iq-enough-in-white-house/c0535981-650c-4c33-a233-78babc3006e0/">"Is 176 IQ Enough in White House?"</a>. <i>The Washington Post</i><span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">October 7,</span> 2024</span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.jtitle=The+Washington+Post&rft.atitle=Is+176+IQ+Enough+in+White+House%3F&rft.date=1988-11-28&rft.aulast=Anderson&rft.aufirst=Jack&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Farchive%2Flocal%2F1988%2F11%2F28%2Fis-176-iq-enough-in-white-house%2Fc0535981-650c-4c33-a233-78babc3006e0%2F&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFLemley1985" class="citation news cs1">Lemley, Brad (March 17, 1985). "The Mind of Genius". <i><a href="/wiki/The_Washington_Post_Magazine" class="mw-redirect" title="The Washington Post Magazine">The Washington Post Magazine</a></i>. pp. 14, 23.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.jtitle=The+Washington+Post+Magazine&rft.atitle=The+Mind+of+Genius&rft.pages=14%2C+23&rft.date=1985-03-17&rft.aulast=Lemley&rft.aufirst=Brad&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul></div> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> The work is reliable although this uncritical reporting does not do them credit. Nevertheless they get a pass for reliability in general. </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> No ORGDEPTH. <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">The Omni test was written by Ronald Hoeflin, founder of the Mega Society, a high-I.Q. club that makes Mensa look like preschool. Mensa membership is open to I.Q.s above 133 -- the smartest 2 percent of the American population. The Mega entrance requirement is an I.Q. of 176 or above, the 99.999th percentile, or one in a million people.</q> Uncritical, errant, but certainly nothing from which an article can be written. </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> Secondary for the Mega Society although it is a news article with some primary information. </td> <td style="border-left: 3px solid gray; background:#FFD2D2; text-align:center"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Dark_Red_x.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr style="background:#f8f9fa;"> <td style="border-right: 3px solid grey;"><div style="font-size:85%;"> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFJoshua_Harris1997" class="citation news cs1">Joshua Harris (1997-05-14). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB86355945998729500">"Let's See, Complain Is to Club As Order Takeout Is to Diner"</a>. <i>The Wall Street Journal</i><span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2024-10-06</span></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.jtitle=The+Wall+Street+Journal&rft.atitle=Let%27s+See%2C+Complain+Is+to+Club+As+Order+Takeout+Is+to+Diner&rft.date=1997-05-14&rft.au=Joshua+Harris&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2FSB86355945998729500&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul></div> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> The only information about the society is that it has 16 members and entry is through the mega test. The remainder of the information is about Maxim and Langdon (running an unlisenced IQ test). </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> News report. Primary for the news reporting and there is no analysis. </td> <td style="border-left: 3px solid gray; background:#FFD2D2; text-align:center"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Dark_Red_x.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr style="background:#f8f9fa;"> <td style="border-right: 3px solid grey;"><div style="font-size:85%;"> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFvos_Savant1985" class="citation book cs1">vos Savant, Marilyn Mach (1985). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/details/omniiqquizcontes00voss/page/31"><i>Omni I.Q. Quiz Contest</i></a>. McGraw-Hill. pp. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/details/omniiqquizcontes00voss/page/31">31–36</a>. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/0-07-039377-X" title="Special:BookSources/0-07-039377-X"><bdi>0-07-039377-X</bdi></a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=Omni+I.Q.+Quiz+Contest&rft.pages=31-36&rft.pub=McGraw-Hill&rft.date=1985&rft.isbn=0-07-039377-X&rft.aulast=vos+Savant&rft.aufirst=Marilyn+Mach&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2Fomniiqquizcontes00voss%2Fpage%2F31&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul></div> </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> vos Savant was writing on behalf of teh society, of which she was a member. Omni collaborated with the society and published their quiz. This is therefore clearly not independent. </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> I presume vos Savant would be reliable about the society. </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> 6 pages on the society, although a large chunk is just data. However this would be more the kind of thing you could write an article about, if it were independent and secondary. </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> vos Savant is providing the societies lines in this article. That is a primary source. </td> <td style="border-left: 3px solid gray; background:#FFD2D2; text-align:center"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Dark_Red_x.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr style="background:#f8f9fa;"> <td style="border-right: 3px solid grey;"><div style="font-size:85%;"> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFAviv2006" class="citation news cs1">Aviv, Rachel (August 2, 2006). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20070211052912/http://www.villagevoice.com/arts/0631,aviv,74027,12.html">"The Intelligencer"</a>. <i><a href="/wiki/The_Village_Voice" title="The Village Voice">The Village Voice</a></i>. Archived from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.villagevoice.com/arts/0631,aviv,74027,12.html">the original</a> on 2007-02-11<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2006-09-23</span></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.jtitle=The+Village+Voice&rft.atitle=The+Intelligencer&rft.date=2006-08-02&rft.aulast=Aviv&rft.aufirst=Rachel&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.villagevoice.com%2Farts%2F0631%2Caviv%2C74027%2C12.html&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul></div> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> The article is about <a href="/wiki/Ronald_Hoeflin" class="mw-redirect" title="Ronald Hoeflin">Ronald Hoeflin</a> and the Mega Society gets one passing mention as one of his many societies. </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td style="border-left: 3px solid gray; background:#FFD2D2; text-align:center"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Dark_Red_x.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr style="background:#f8f9fa;"> <td style="border-right: 3px solid grey;"><div style="font-size:85%;"> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFFella2006" class="citation news cs1">Fella, Answer (March 1, 2006). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20061110061346/http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2006/060425_mfe_March_06_Answer_Fella.html">"World's Smartest Fella"</a>. <i><a href="/wiki/Esquire_magazine" class="mw-redirect" title="Esquire magazine">Esquire</a></i>. Archived from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2006/060425_mfe_March_06_Answer_Fella.html">the original</a> on 2006-11-10<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2006-10-29</span></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.jtitle=Esquire&rft.atitle=World%27s+Smartest+Fella&rft.date=2006-03-01&rft.aulast=Fella&rft.aufirst=Answer&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.esquire.com%2Ffeatures%2Farticles%2F2006%2F060425_mfe_March_06_Answer_Fella.html&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul></div> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="" style="background: #DDF; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="skin-invert no table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Blue_question_mark_(italic).svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/13px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/20px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/26px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> It's a gossip column. But at least it states its sources. </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> Passing mention. <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Still, Kevin Langdon, editor of the Mega Society Web site (the Mega Society is to Mensa what Ruth Bader Ginsburg is to Harriet Miers), while acknowledging the limitations of psychometric testing, offers a candidate for the honor [of 2nd most intelligent American]: Bob Dylan.</q> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td style="border-left: 3px solid gray; background:#FFD2D2; text-align:center"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Dark_Red_x.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr style="background:#f8f9fa;"> <td style="border-right: 3px solid grey;"><div style="font-size:85%;"> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFDerfner2003" class="citation news cs1">Derfner, Larry (August 8, 2003). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20071001063808/http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jpost/access/384039071.html?dids=384039071:384039071&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Aug+8,+2003&author=Larry+Derfner&pub=Jerusalem+Post&edition=&startpage=05&desc=It+smarts!">"It smarts!"</a>. <i><a href="/wiki/The_Jerusalem_Post" title="The Jerusalem Post">The Jerusalem Post</a></i>. Archived from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jpost/access/384039071.html?dids=384039071:384039071&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Aug+8%2C+2003&author=Larry+Derfner&pub=Jerusalem+Post&edition=&startpage=05&desc=It+smarts!">the original</a> on 2007-10-01<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2006-10-29</span></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.jtitle=The+Jerusalem+Post&rft.atitle=It+smarts%21&rft.date=2003-08-08&rft.aulast=Derfner&rft.aufirst=Larry&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fpqasb.pqarchiver.com%2Fjpost%2Faccess%2F384039071.html%3Fdids%3D384039071%3A384039071%26FMT%3DABS%26FMTS%3DABS%3AFT%26date%3DAug%2B8%252C%2B2003%26author%3DLarry%2BDerfner%26pub%3DJerusalem%2BPost%26edition%3D%26startpage%3D05%26desc%3DIt%2Bsmarts%21&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul></div> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> The article contains a small error. Vos Savant's 228 IQ was measured in childhood and is not her IQ now. It was measured at a time where it was actually a quotient divisible by age. Children with very high IQ scores see those scores regress towards the mean (whilst still remaining above average) as they get older. However this does not detract from the overall reliability of the newspaper. </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> Dr. Frank Luger is a member and membership was 30 at that time. That is all. Nothing about the society. Certainly not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORGDEPTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORGDEPTH">WP:ORGDEPTH</a>. No inherited notability even if Luger were notable, but he has no Wikipedia page, so apparently is not. </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> It is news reporting about the membership. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARYNEWS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARYNEWS">WP:PRIMARYNEWS</a> although that is moot for this purpose as it fails on SIGCOV. </td> <td style="border-left: 3px solid gray; background:#FFD2D2; text-align:center"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Dark_Red_x.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr style="background:#f8f9fa;"> <td style="border-right: 3px solid grey;"><div style="font-size:85%;"> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFMcWhirterMcFarlan1988" class="citation book cs1">McWhirter, Norris; McFarlan, Donald (1988). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/details/guinnessbookofre00dona/mode/2up?q=Hart&view=theater"><i>The Guinness book of records : 1989</i></a>. Internet Archive. Enfield, Middlesex : Guinness Pub. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-85112-878-8" title="Special:BookSources/978-0-85112-878-8"><bdi>978-0-85112-878-8</bdi></a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=The+Guinness+book+of+records+%3A+1989&rft.pub=Enfield%2C+Middlesex+%3A+Guinness+Pub.&rft.date=1988&rft.isbn=978-0-85112-878-8&rft.aulast=McWhirter&rft.aufirst=Norris&rft.au=McFarlan%2C+Donald&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2Fguinnessbookofre00dona%2Fmode%2F2up%3Fq%3DHart%26view%3Dtheater&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul></div> </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> Information in Noesis makes it clear that Mega Society approached the Guinness Book of Records over the listing. Thus it is not independent. </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> Talks about Vos Savant as most intelligent person. Mentions that she and 2 others are members of this society. No information about the society. </td> <td data-sort-value="" style="background: #DDF; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="skin-invert no table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Blue_question_mark_(italic).svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/13px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/20px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/26px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> Depends what you use it for. It is primary for the record, secondary for other uses. </td> <td style="border-left: 3px solid gray; background:#FFD2D2; text-align:center"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Dark_Red_x.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr style="background:#f8f9fa;"> <td style="border-right: 3px solid grey;"><div style="font-size:85%;"> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFCastles2012" class="citation book cs1">Castles, Elaine E. (6 June 2012). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=d163_RsyW9wC"><i>Inventing Intelligence</i></a>. ABC-CLIO. p. 22. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-1-4408-0338-3" title="Special:BookSources/978-1-4408-0338-3"><bdi>978-1-4408-0338-3</bdi></a><span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">31 August</span> 2013</span>. <q>And what is that makes Marilyn vos Savant so uniquely qualified to answer such questions? There is only one reason: she is listed in the <i>Guinness Book of World Records</i> as having the highest IQ ever recorded. Never mind that this record is based on a nonstandardized test put out by an obscure group known as Mega, supposedly the world's most selective organization of geniuses. Ignore the fact that test scores at the extreme ends of any distribution are notoriously unreliable.</q></cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=Inventing+Intelligence&rft.pages=22&rft.pub=ABC-CLIO&rft.date=2012-06-06&rft.isbn=978-1-4408-0338-3&rft.aulast=Castles&rft.aufirst=Elaine+E.&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3Dd163_RsyW9wC&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul></div> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> All we have is information about vos Savant, with this passing mention: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Never mind that this record is based on a nonstandardized test put out by an obscure group known as Mega, supposedly the world's most selective organization of geniuses. Ignore the fact that test scores at the extreme ends of any distribution are notoriously unreliable.</q> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td style="border-left: 3px solid gray; background:#FFD2D2; text-align:center"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Dark_Red_x.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr style="background:#f8f9fa;"> <td style="border-right: 3px solid grey;"><div style="font-size:85%;"> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFRoger_D._Carlson1991" class="citation book cs1">Roger D. Carlson (1991). Daniel J. Keyser; Richard C. Sweetland (eds.). <i>Test Critiques</i> (Volume VIII ed.). PRO-ED. pp. 431–435. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/0-89079-254-2" title="Special:BookSources/0-89079-254-2"><bdi>0-89079-254-2</bdi></a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=Test+Critiques&rft.pages=431-435&rft.edition=Volume+VIII&rft.pub=PRO-ED&rft.date=1991&rft.isbn=0-89079-254-2&rft.au=Roger+D.+Carlson&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul></div> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> This is looking at the Mega Test itself. It is a thorough look at the test (summing up by calling it number pulverisation) but it has no coverage of the eponymous society. </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td style="border-left: 3px solid gray; background:#FFD2D2; text-align:center"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Dark_Red_x.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr style="background:#f8f9fa;"> <td style="border-right: 3px solid grey;"><div style="font-size:85%;"> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFHunt2011" class="citation book cs1">Hunt, Earl (2011). <i>Human Intelligence</i>. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. p. 8. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-521-70781-7" title="Special:BookSources/978-0-521-70781-7"><bdi>978-0-521-70781-7</bdi></a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=Human+Intelligence&rft.place=Cambridge&rft.pages=8&rft.pub=Cambridge+University+Press&rft.date=2011&rft.isbn=978-0-521-70781-7&rft.aulast=Hunt&rft.aufirst=Earl&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul></div> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> Does not mention the society at all </td> <td data-sort-value="" style="background: #DDF; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="skin-invert no table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Blue_question_mark_(italic).svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/13px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/20px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/26px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> N/A - no mention </td> <td style="border-left: 3px solid gray; background:#FFD2D2; text-align:center"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Dark_Red_x.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr style="background:#f8f9fa;"> <td style="border-right: 3px solid grey;"><div style="font-size:85%;"> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFPerlethSchatzMönks2000" class="citation book cs1">Perleth, Christoph; Schatz, Tanja; Mönks, Franz J. (2000). "Early Identification of High Ability". In Heller, Kurt A.; Mönks, Franz J.; <a href="/wiki/Robert_Sternberg" title="Robert Sternberg">Sternberg, Robert J.</a>; et al. (eds.). <i>International Handbook of Giftedness and Talent</i> (2nd ed.). Amsterdam: Pergamon. p. 301. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-08-043796-5" title="Special:BookSources/978-0-08-043796-5"><bdi>978-0-08-043796-5</bdi></a>. <q>norm tables that provide you with such extreme values are constructed on the basis of random extrapolation and smoothing but not on the basis of empirical data of representative samples.</q></cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=bookitem&rft.atitle=Early+Identification+of+High+Ability&rft.btitle=International+Handbook+of+Giftedness+and+Talent&rft.place=Amsterdam&rft.pages=301&rft.edition=2nd&rft.pub=Pergamon&rft.date=2000&rft.isbn=978-0-08-043796-5&rft.aulast=Perleth&rft.aufirst=Christoph&rft.au=Schatz%2C+Tanja&rft.au=M%C3%B6nks%2C+Franz+J.&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul></div> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> The source is reliable even though the one sentence mention contains an error. </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> Single sentence on page 113. All it says is entry requirement is a 176 IQ (one in a million). That is all. And that turns out to be wrong. </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td style="border-left: 3px solid gray; background:#FFD2D2; text-align:center"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Dark_Red_x.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr style="background:#f8f9fa;"> <td style="border-right: 3px solid grey;"><div style="font-size:85%;"> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFUrbina2011" class="citation book cs1">Urbina, Susana (2011). "Chapter 2: Tests of Intelligence". In <a href="/wiki/Robert_Sternberg" title="Robert Sternberg">Sternberg, Robert J.</a>; Kaufman, Scott Barry (eds.). <i>The Cambridge Handbook of Intelligence</i>. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. pp. 20–38. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/9780521739115" title="Special:BookSources/9780521739115"><bdi>9780521739115</bdi></a>. <q>[Curve-fitting] is just one of the reasons to be suspicious of reported IQ scores much higher than 160</q></cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=bookitem&rft.atitle=Chapter+2%3A+Tests+of+Intelligence&rft.btitle=The+Cambridge+Handbook+of+Intelligence&rft.place=Cambridge&rft.pages=20-38&rft.pub=Cambridge+University+Press&rft.date=2011&rft.isbn=9780521739115&rft.aulast=Urbina&rft.aufirst=Susana&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul></div> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-yes2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Yes"><img alt="Yes" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/13px-Check-green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/20px-Check-green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Check-green.svg/26px-Check-green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span> </td> <td data-sort-value="No" style="background: #FFE3E3; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="No"><img alt="No" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/20px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/26px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> Does not mention the society at all </td> <td data-sort-value="" style="background: #DDF; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="skin-invert no table-no2"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Blue_question_mark_(italic).svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/13px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/20px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg/26px-Blue_question_mark_%28italic%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> N/A - no mention </td> <td style="border-left: 3px solid gray; background:#FFD2D2; text-align:center"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Dark_Red_x.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dark_Red_x.svg/13px-Dark_Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CAPTAIN_RAJU-20241124145300-Sirfurboy-20241124144400-1"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CAPTAIN_RAJU-20241124145300-Sirfurboy-20241124144400-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124145300","author":"CAPTAIN RAJU","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CAPTAIN_RAJU-20241124145300-Sirfurboy-20241124144400-1","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-4meter4-20241124155800-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"></span>Redirect</b> to <a href="/wiki/Ronald_K._Hoeflin" title="Ronald K. Hoeflin">Ronald K. Hoeflin</a> per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ATD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ATD">WP:ATD</a>.<a href="/wiki/User:4meter4" title="User:4meter4">4meter4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:4meter4" title="User talk:4meter4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-4meter4-20241124155800-Sirfurboy-20241124144400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-4meter4-20241124155800-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124155800","author":"4meter4","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-4meter4-20241124155800-Sirfurboy-20241124144400","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-4meter4-20241124155800-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jjazz76-20241124220300-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"></span>Redirect</b> to <a href="/wiki/Ronald_K._Hoeflin" title="Ronald K. Hoeflin">Ronald K. Hoeflin</a> as per discussion above and my own experience working through the sourcing for the page, which, both pro and con is very, very thin. <a href="/wiki/User:Jjazz76" title="User:Jjazz76">Jjazz76</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jjazz76" title="User talk:Jjazz76">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Jjazz76-20241124220300-Sirfurboy-20241124144400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jjazz76-20241124220300-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124220300","author":"Jjazz76","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jjazz76-20241124220300-Sirfurboy-20241124144400","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jjazz76-20241124220300-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-K-trivial-20241124222200-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"></span>Keep</b>. An old organization, well-known within the high-IQ society community, and a real curiosity from the point of view of the history of psychometrics in America. A number of its members were notable -- some even notorious -- in their own right: <a href="/wiki/Richard_G._Rosner" title="Richard G. Rosner">Rosner</a>, <a href="/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant" title="Marilyn vos Savant">vos Savant</a>, <a href="/wiki/Christopher_Langan" title="Christopher Langan">Langan</a>, <a href="/wiki/Keith_Raniere" title="Keith Raniere">Raniere</a>... I understand that <a href="/wiki/Paddles_(cat)" title="Paddles (cat)">Paddles the cat</a> is better covered by secondary sources, but I prefer an encyclopedia that has more than well-attested trivialities to offer. Let us preserve knowledge, however niche, let us not sacrifice this article. <a href="/wiki/User:K-trivial" title="User:K-trivial">K-trivial</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:K-trivial" title="User talk:K-trivial">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-K-trivial-20241124222200-Sirfurboy-20241124144400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-K-trivial-20241124222200-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124222200","author":"K-trivial","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-K-trivial-20241124222200-Sirfurboy-20241124144400","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-K-trivial-20241124222200-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polygnotus-20241124222600-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"></span>Redirect and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SALT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SALT">WP:SALT</a></b> to <a href="/wiki/Ronald_K._Hoeflin" title="Ronald K. Hoeflin">Ronald K. Hoeflin</a>. Notability for an organization is not inherited from members who might be notable. Fails NCORP & NORG, fails GNG. Obscure organization of 36 members. Previous AfDs were full of sockpuppets. Wonder how many AT&T and MS Azure IPs will show up this time. <a href="/wiki/User:Polygnotus" title="User:Polygnotus">Polygnotus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polygnotus" title="User talk:Polygnotus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Polygnotus-20241124222600-Sirfurboy-20241124144400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polygnotus-20241124222600-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124222600","author":"Polygnotus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Polygnotus-20241124222600-Sirfurboy-20241124144400","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polygnotus-20241124222600-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnitsReceived-20241124232800-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"></span>Keep</b>: The high-IQ world has only a few notable societies. Each of those listed on Ronald K. Hoeflin's page is both notable and active. I am unsure of the impetus behind the constant recommendations to delete valuable information on such a topic. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:UnitsReceived&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:UnitsReceived (page does not exist)">UnitsReceived</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:UnitsReceived&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:UnitsReceived (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-UnitsReceived-20241124232800-Sirfurboy-20241124144400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a> <small>— <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:UnitsReceived&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:UnitsReceived (page does not exist)">UnitsReceived</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:UnitsReceived&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:UnitsReceived (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnitsReceived" title="Special:Contributions/UnitsReceived">contribs</a>) has made <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Single-purpose_account" title="Wikipedia:Single-purpose account">few or no other edits</a> outside this topic. </small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnitsReceived-20241124232800-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124232800","author":"UnitsReceived","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-UnitsReceived-20241124232800-Sirfurboy-20241124144400","replies":["c-Polygnotus-20241125010400-UnitsReceived-20241124232800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnitsReceived-20241124232800-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polygnotus-20241125010400-UnitsReceived-20241124232800"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">...few notable societies. Each of those listed on Ronald K. Hoeflin's page is both notable and active</q> How should I interpret that claim in the context of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Prometheus_Society_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prometheus Society (2nd nomination)">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prometheus Society (2nd nomination)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Top_One_Percent_Society" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Top One Percent Society">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Top One Percent Society</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=One-in-a-Thousand_Society&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="One-in-a-Thousand Society (page does not exist)">One-in-a-Thousand Society</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Epimetheus_Society&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Epimetheus Society (page does not exist)">Epimetheus Society</a>? Only the Omega Society article hasn't been deleted yet, because it has yet to be written. <a href="/wiki/User:Polygnotus" title="User:Polygnotus">Polygnotus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polygnotus" title="User talk:Polygnotus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Polygnotus-20241125010400-UnitsReceived-20241124232800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polygnotus-20241125010400-UnitsReceived-20241124232800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125010400","author":"Polygnotus","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Polygnotus-20241125010400-UnitsReceived-20241124232800","replies":["c-UnitsReceived-20241125021100-Polygnotus-20241125010400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polygnotus-20241125010400-UnitsReceived-20241124232800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnitsReceived-20241125021100-Polygnotus-20241125010400"></span>Perhaps you are not a member of any of these societies or others, such as MENSA or the Triple Nine Society. The Epimetheus Society, Prometheus Society, and Mega Society are widely known to the vast majority of members of these organizations. Multiple external sources discuss each of them, and given that non-members do not have access to the actual content, forums, discussions, or events taking place daily, it is impossible for non-members to know how active each society truly is. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:UnitsReceived&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:UnitsReceived (page does not exist)">UnitsReceived</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:UnitsReceived&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:UnitsReceived (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-UnitsReceived-20241125021100-Polygnotus-20241125010400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnitsReceived-20241125021100-Polygnotus-20241125010400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125021100","author":"UnitsReceived","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-UnitsReceived-20241125021100-Polygnotus-20241125010400","replies":["c-Polygnotus-20241125021900-UnitsReceived-20241125021100","c-Crazycomputers-20241125022000-UnitsReceived-20241125021100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnitsReceived-20241125021100-Polygnotus-20241125010400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polygnotus-20241125021900-UnitsReceived-20241125021100"></span>You misunderstood what I wrote. You claimed that each of the societies listed on that article were notable. I showed that 4/6 articles were deleted for lack of notability, and one has not been written yet. <a href="/wiki/User:Polygnotus" title="User:Polygnotus">Polygnotus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polygnotus" title="User talk:Polygnotus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Polygnotus-20241125021900-UnitsReceived-20241125021100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polygnotus-20241125021900-UnitsReceived-20241125021100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125021900","author":"Polygnotus","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Polygnotus-20241125021900-UnitsReceived-20241125021100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polygnotus-20241125021900-UnitsReceived-20241125021100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crazycomputers-20241125022000-UnitsReceived-20241125021100"></span>This is not an argument for the article to be kept. If what you're saying is true, it's not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verifiable</a>, which means that, as far as Wikipedia is concerned, it is wholly irrelevant. --Chris | <small><a href="/wiki/User:Crazycomputers" title="User:Crazycomputers">Crazycomputers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crazycomputers" title="User talk:Crazycomputers">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Crazycomputers-20241125022000-UnitsReceived-20241125021100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crazycomputers-20241125022000-UnitsReceived-20241125021100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125022000","author":"Crazycomputers","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Crazycomputers-20241125022000-UnitsReceived-20241125021100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crazycomputers-20241125022000-UnitsReceived-20241125021100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Transgenderoriole-20241125004600-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"></span>Redirect and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SALT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SALT">WP:SALT</a></b> to <a href="/wiki/Ronald_K._Hoeflin" title="Ronald K. Hoeflin">Ronald K. Hoeflin</a>. Seconding all of the points made by Polygnotus, Jjazz, and Sirfurboy. Throughout this article's long history very little constructive editing has occurred, and a non-insignificant amount of work has been put in to keep a few IP editors' contribs either NPOV, as well as the removal of a level of citation overkill that makes it extremely hard to claim good-faith contributions. I have also seen these editors then insert links to the page on many articles related to human intelligence generally, as well as some straight up incoherent additions of it. It is remarkable how most of the IPs/new users that have decided this article's survival is absolutely critical not only write in a similar tone (ie. thinly veiled condescension despite inability to engage with basic standards for contributing to articles constructively) but also similar tactics (ie. severe citation overkill, then an invocation of a good-faith defense when questioned on the irrelevance of their additions). I genuinely do not know what motivates a claim such as the above, that EVERY society noted on Hoeflin's page is notable and active. I have seen little to demonstrate that Mega Society was ever really "active" as a notable organisation given its member count and skeptical tone of the coverage it received (specifically in regard to the test itself, the only qualifier for membership) a few decades ago. It seems rather obvious to both Hoeflin and contemporaneous sources that the test itself provides dubious efficacy and has an unstandardized nature. IQ tests as a whole are not direct proxies for intelligence, and an IQ test that didn't try to conform to the format of its peers, rejected any form of standardisation and outside feedback, and was used as an admission tool for a group of members that hardly cracked the double digits, should be subject to even more skepticism and scrutiny. It does not make for the foundation of an article that is of use to any reader at present. <a href="/wiki/User:Transgenderoriole" title="User:Transgenderoriole">Transgenderoriole</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Transgenderoriole" title="User talk:Transgenderoriole">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Transgenderoriole-20241125004600-Sirfurboy-20241124144400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Transgenderoriole-20241125004600-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125004600","author":"Transgenderoriole","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Transgenderoriole-20241125004600-Sirfurboy-20241124144400","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Transgenderoriole-20241125004600-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CAVincent-20241125033900-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"></span>Redirect and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SALT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SALT">WP:SALT</a></b> to <a href="/wiki/Ronald_K._Hoeflin" title="Ronald K. Hoeflin">Ronald K. Hoeflin</a> per points already raised. The society is mentioned in reliable sources, but the references aren't really about the society. Hoeflin is maybe notable, as are other reported members, but the society itself is not. <a href="/wiki/User:CAVincent" title="User:CAVincent">CAVincent</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CAVincent" title="User talk:CAVincent">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-CAVincent-20241125033900-Sirfurboy-20241124144400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CAVincent-20241125033900-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125033900","author":"CAVincent","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CAVincent-20241125033900-Sirfurboy-20241124144400","replies":["c-UnitsReceived-20241125040900-CAVincent-20241125033900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CAVincent-20241125033900-Sirfurboy-20241124144400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnitsReceived-20241125040900-CAVincent-20241125033900"></span>The three most well-established and oldest 4-sigma-plus IQ societies, despite being mentioned in reliable sources, are not considered notable? To each his own. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:UnitsReceived&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:UnitsReceived (page does not exist)">UnitsReceived</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:UnitsReceived&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:UnitsReceived (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-UnitsReceived-20241125040900-CAVincent-20241125033900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnitsReceived-20241125040900-CAVincent-20241125033900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125040900","author":"UnitsReceived","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-UnitsReceived-20241125040900-CAVincent-20241125033900","replies":["c-CAVincent-20241125054600-UnitsReceived-20241125040900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnitsReceived-20241125040900-CAVincent-20241125033900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CAVincent-20241125054600-UnitsReceived-20241125040900"></span>An account created for the purpose of commenting on this AfD is not considered credible? To each his own. <a href="/wiki/User:CAVincent" title="User:CAVincent">CAVincent</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CAVincent" title="User talk:CAVincent">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-CAVincent-20241125054600-UnitsReceived-20241125040900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CAVincent-20241125054600-UnitsReceived-20241125040900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125054600","author":"CAVincent","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-CAVincent-20241125054600-UnitsReceived-20241125040900","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CAVincent-20241125054600-UnitsReceived-20241125040900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robin82346-20241127182800-Mega_Society"></span>Keep.</b> This article meets Wikipedia's guidelines as: (1) the subject has been discussed in detail by numerous sources, and (2) the sources consist of reliable mainstream publications with editorial oversight that are independent of the subject, as evidenced by the following Source Analysis:</li></ul> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598"> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Second Source Analysis</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <th>Number </th> <th>Source </th> <th>Comments </th></tr> <tr> <td>1 </td> <td>Mega Society. "The Mega Society". Retrieved 10 August 2023. </td> <td>Primary source supports membership count. </td></tr> <tr> <td>2 </td> <td>Ellen Graham (1992-04-09). "For Minds of Mega, The Mensa Test Is a Real No-Brainer -- Rival IQ Societies Bicker Over Scores and Styles; Cindy Brady's Velocity". The Wall Street Journal. </td> <td>Article in the Wall Street Journal discusses the Mega Society extensively. This source is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources">WP:RS</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Independent_sources">WP:INDEPENDENT</a>. </td></tr> <tr> <td>3 </td> <td>Dean Keith Simonton (2012-11-01). "The Science of Genius". Scientific American. Retrieved 2024-11-25. </td> <td>Article in Scientific American. This source is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources">WP:RS</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Independent_sources">WP:INDEPENDENT</a>. </td></tr> <tr> <td>4 </td> <td>Mega Society (August 2005). "Constitution of the Mega Society". Retrieved 2006-07-25. </td> <td>Primary source. </td></tr> <tr> <td>5 </td> <td>G. Miller (May 1, 2012). "Get smart". Scientific American. Retrieved 2024-10-06. </td> <td>Article in Scientific American discusses the Mega Society. This source is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources">WP:RS</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Independent_sources">WP:INDEPENDENT</a>. </td></tr> <tr> <td>6 </td> <td>Anderson, Jack (November 28, 1988). "Is 176 IQ Enough in White House?". The Washington Post. Retrieved October 7, 2024. </td> <td>Article in The Washington Post discusses the Mega Society and several members. This source is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources">WP:RS</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Independent_sources">WP:INDEPENDENT</a>. </td></tr> <tr> <td>7 </td> <td>Joshua Harris (1997-05-14). "Let's See, Complain Is to Club As Order Takeout Is to Diner". The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 2024-10-06. </td> <td>Article in The Wall Street Journal discusses the Mega Society and several members. This source is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources">WP:RS</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Independent_sources">WP:INDEPENDENT</a>. </td></tr> <tr> <td>8 </td> <td>Lena Groeger (2012-11-01). "When High IQs Hang Out". Scientific American. Retrieved 2024-10-06. </td> <td>Article in Scientific American about High IQ Societies. Discusses Mega Society and quotes a member. This source is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources">WP:RS</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Independent_sources">WP:INDEPENDENT</a>. </td></tr> <tr> <td>9 </td> <td>Miyaguchi, Darryl. "A Short (and Bloody) History of the High I.Q. Societies". Uncommonly Difficult IQ Tests. Retrieved November 26, 2024. </td> <td>Website with history of IQ societies. </td></tr> <tr> <td>10 </td> <td>Lemley, Brad (March 17, 1985). "The Mind of Genius". Washington Post Magazine. pp. 14, 23. </td> <td>Article in Washington Post Magazine. This source is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources">WP:RS</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Independent_sources">WP:INDEPENDENT</a>. </td></tr> <tr> <td>11 </td> <td>"The Mega Society". Retrieved 16 May 2011. </td> <td>Primary source. </td></tr> <tr> <td>12 </td> <td>McWhirter, Norris; McFarlan, Donald (1988). The Guinness book of records : 1989. Internet Archive. Enfield, Middlesex : Guinness Pub. ISBN 978-0-85112-878-8. </td> <td>Source of varying credibility over the years. </td></tr> <tr> <td>13 </td> <td>Castles, Elaine E. (6 June 2012). Inventing Intelligence. ABC-CLIO. p. 22. Retrieved 31 August 2013. </td> <td>Book critical of Mega Society and intelligence testing in general. </td></tr> <tr> <td>14 </td> <td>Roger D. Carlson (1991). Daniel J. Keyser; Richard C. Sweetland (eds.). Test Critiques (Volume VIII ed.). PRO-ED. pp. 431–435. </td> <td>Critique of Hoeflin’s tests. Does not appear to mention Mega Society directly. </td></tr> <tr> <td>15 </td> <td>Hunt, Earl (2011). Human Intelligence. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. p. 8. </td> <td>Is meant to support criticism, but does not provide criticism of tests with a ceiling above 160. </td></tr> <tr> <td>16 </td> <td>Perleth, Christoph; Schatz, Tanja; Mönks, Franz J. (2000). "Early Identification of High Ability". In Heller, Kurt A.; Mönks, Franz J.; Sternberg, Robert J.; et al. </td> <td>Supports criticism. This source is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources">WP:RS</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Independent_sources">WP:INDEPENDENT</a>. </td></tr> <tr> <td>17 </td> <td>Urbina, Susana (2011). "Chapter 2: Tests of Intelligence". In Sternberg, Robert J.; Kaufman, Scott Barry (eds.). The Cambridge Handbook of Intelligence. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. pp. 20–38. </td> <td>Supports criticism. This source is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources">WP:RS</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Independent_sources">WP:INDEPENDENT</a>. </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Robin82346" title="User:Robin82346">Robin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robin82346" title="User talk:Robin82346">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Robin82346-20241127182800-Mega_Society" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a> <small>— <a href="/wiki/User:Robin82346" title="User:Robin82346">Robin82346</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robin82346" title="User talk:Robin82346">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Robin82346" title="Special:Contributions/Robin82346">contribs</a>) has made <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Single-purpose_account" title="Wikipedia:Single-purpose account">few or no other edits</a> outside this topic. </small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robin82346-20241127182800-Mega_Society"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127182800","author":"Robin82346","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Robin82346-20241127182800-Mega_Society","replies":["c-Polygnotus-20241127183400-Robin82346-20241127182800","c-Sirfurboy-20241127183500-Robin82346-20241127182800"],"displayName":"Robin"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robin82346-20241127182800-Mega_Society"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polygnotus-20241127183400-Robin82346-20241127182800"></span>Did you create this account and make some edits specifically to !vote in this AfD? It sure looks a hell of a lot like this account was created in response to CAVincent's comment. <a href="/wiki/User:Polygnotus" title="User:Polygnotus">Polygnotus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polygnotus" title="User talk:Polygnotus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Polygnotus-20241127183400-Robin82346-20241127182800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polygnotus-20241127183400-Robin82346-20241127182800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127183400","author":"Polygnotus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Polygnotus-20241127183400-Robin82346-20241127182800","replies":["c-Robin82346-20241127192000-Polygnotus-20241127183400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polygnotus-20241127183400-Robin82346-20241127182800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robin82346-20241127192000-Polygnotus-20241127183400"></span>Thank you for your question. To address your concern, I did not create this account or participate in this discussion as a response to anyone's comment. My contributions to this AfD and Wikipedia as a whole are made with the same goal as everyone else's here: to uphold the principles of neutrality and thoughtful discussion.</dd> <dd>That said, I would like to take a moment to highlight the importance of focusing on the merit of arguments rather than speculating on motivations or resorting to tactics that could be perceived as dismissive, particularly when directed at women or any group. Intimidation—whether intentional or inadvertent—has no place in collaborative spaces like this. I encourage us to engage constructively and keep the discussion centered on the issues at hand. <a href="/wiki/User:Robin82346" title="User:Robin82346">Robin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robin82346" title="User talk:Robin82346">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Robin82346-20241127192000-Polygnotus-20241127183400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robin82346-20241127192000-Polygnotus-20241127183400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127192000","author":"Robin82346","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Robin82346-20241127192000-Polygnotus-20241127183400","replies":["c-Polygnotus-20241127193000-Robin82346-20241127192000"],"displayName":"Robin"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robin82346-20241127192000-Polygnotus-20241127183400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polygnotus-20241127193000-Robin82346-20241127192000"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTBORNYESTERDAY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTBORNYESTERDAY">WP:NOTBORNYESTERDAY</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Polygnotus" title="User:Polygnotus">Polygnotus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polygnotus" title="User talk:Polygnotus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Polygnotus-20241127193000-Robin82346-20241127192000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polygnotus-20241127193000-Robin82346-20241127192000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127193000","author":"Polygnotus","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Polygnotus-20241127193000-Robin82346-20241127192000","replies":["c-Robin82346-20241127194800-Polygnotus-20241127193000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polygnotus-20241127193000-Robin82346-20241127192000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robin82346-20241127194800-Polygnotus-20241127193000"></span>Thank you for sharing the link. However, I’m not sure how referencing an essay, which represents the opinions of contributors rather than established Wikipedia policies or guidelines, contributes constructively to improving the article. If you have specific input or suggestions grounded in policies or guidelines that can help make the article better, I’d be happy to hear them. <a href="/wiki/User:Robin82346" title="User:Robin82346">Robin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robin82346" title="User talk:Robin82346">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Robin82346-20241127194800-Polygnotus-20241127193000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robin82346-20241127194800-Polygnotus-20241127193000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127194800","author":"Robin82346","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Robin82346-20241127194800-Polygnotus-20241127193000","replies":[],"displayName":"Robin"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robin82346-20241127194800-Polygnotus-20241127193000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sirfurboy-20241127183500-Robin82346-20241127182800"></span>Hi Robin, Welcome to Wikipedia. Did you see the source analysis in the nomination? I collapsed it to hide the table. See the green bar. Click the "show" link and you will see that I have been through these. The principal problem, and one you have not addressed in your table here, is that these do not show <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a> at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORGDEPTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORGDEPTH">WP:ORGDEPTH</a> as required for an organisation. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIRS">WP:SIRS</a>. This also explains that the primary sources, while useful in their way, do not count towards notability. All we have in secondary sources about the society are the entry requirement. There is nothing about what the society actually is, does or why it is notable. Nothing we can write the article from. <a href="/wiki/User:Sirfurboy" title="User:Sirfurboy">Sirfurboy🏄</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sirfurboy" title="User talk:Sirfurboy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Sirfurboy-20241127183500-Robin82346-20241127182800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sirfurboy-20241127183500-Robin82346-20241127182800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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team</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Indonesia_women's_national_under-21_volleyball_team-Organizations_deletion-20241123221500"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Indonesia_women%27s_national_under-21_volleyball_team&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Indonesia women's national under-21 volleyball team"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span id="Indonesia_women's_national_under-21_volleyball_team"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Indonesia_women%27s_national_under-21_volleyball_team" title="Indonesia women's national under-21 volleyball team"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cremastra-20241123221500-Indonesia_women's_national_under-21_volleyball_team"></span>Indonesia women's national under-21 volleyball team</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Indonesia_women%27s_national_under-21_volleyball_team" title="Special:EditPage/Indonesia women's national under-21 volleyball team">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Indonesia_women%27s_national_under-21_volleyball_team" title="Talk:Indonesia women's national under-21 volleyball team">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Indonesia_women%27s_national_under-21_volleyball_team" title="Special:PageHistory/Indonesia women's national under-21 volleyball team">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Indonesia_women%27s_national_under-21_volleyball_team" title="Special:ProtectPage/Indonesia women's national under-21 volleyball team">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Indonesia_women%27s_national_under-21_volleyball_team" title="Special:DeletePage/Indonesia women's national under-21 volleyball team">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Indonesia_women%27s_national_under-21_volleyball_team&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indonesia_women%27s_national_under-21_volleyball_team&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Indonesia+women%27s+national+under-21+volleyball+team">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Indonesia_women%27s_national_under-21_volleyball_team&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Indonesia_women%27s_national_under-21_volleyball_team" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indonesia women's national under-21 volleyball team">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1258962968/cur" title="Special:Diff/1258962968/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Indonesia+women%27s+national+under-21+volleyball+team%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Indonesia+women%27s+national+under-21+volleyball+team%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Indonesia+women%27s+national+under-21+volleyball+team%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Indonesia+women%27s+national+under-21+volleyball+team%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Indonesia+women%27s+national+under-21+volleyball+team%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Indonesia+women%27s+national+under-21+volleyball+team%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Indonesia+women%27s+national+under-21+volleyball+team%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Indonesia+women%27s+national+under-21+volleyball+team%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Doesn't appear to meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra"><i>Cremastra</i></a> ‹ <a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">u</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cremastra" title="Special:Contributions/Cremastra">c</a> › <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Cremastra-20241123221500-Indonesia_women's_national_under-21_volleyball_team" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20241123221500-Indonesia_women's_national_under-21_volleyball_team"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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for the following topics: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Women" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women">Women</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Volleyball" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Volleyball">Volleyball</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Indonesia" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Indonesia">Indonesia</a>. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra"><i>Cremastra</i></a> ‹ <a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">u</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cremastra" title="Special:Contributions/Cremastra">c</a> › <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Cremastra-20241123221500-Cremastra-20241123221500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cremastra-20241123221500-Cremastra-20241123221500"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20241123221500-Cremastra-20241123221500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241123221500","author":"Cremastra","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cremastra-20241123221500-Cremastra-20241123221500","replies":[],"displayName":"u"}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-4meter4-20241123222000-Cremastra-20241123221500"></span>Delete</b>. Fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NSPORTS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NSPORTS">WP:NSPORTS</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORG">WP:ORG</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>.<a href="/wiki/User:4meter4" title="User:4meter4">4meter4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:4meter4" title="User talk:4meter4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-4meter4-20241123222000-Cremastra-20241123221500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-4meter4-20241123222000-Cremastra-20241123221500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241123222000","author":"4meter4","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-4meter4-20241123222000-Cremastra-20241123221500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-4meter4-20241123222000-Cremastra-20241123221500"></span></li> <li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wcquidditch-20241123224700-Cremastra-20241123221500"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">list of Organizations-related deletion discussions</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Wcquidditch" title="User:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">WC</span><i><span style="color:#999933">Quidditch</span></i></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wcquidditch" title="User talk:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">☎</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch" title="Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch"><span style="color:#999933">✎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wcquidditch-20241123224700-Cremastra-20241123221500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wcquidditch-20241123224700-Cremastra-20241123221500"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wcquidditch-20241123224700-Cremastra-20241123221500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241123224700","author":"Wcquidditch","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wcquidditch-20241123224700-Cremastra-20241123221500","replies":[]}}--></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Procyon117-20241124155000-Cremastra-20241123221500"></span>Delete</b>: This seemed to originally be for the under-18 volleyball team until it was changed to under-21 and information removed for seemingly zero reason (unsourced but still, edit summary was not used). Although even with that, it still doesn't meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. Only sources I could find have passing mentions. <a href="/wiki/User:Procyon117" title="User:Procyon117">Procyon117</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Procyon117" title="User talk:Procyon117">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Procyon117-20241124155000-Cremastra-20241123221500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Procyon117-20241124155000-Cremastra-20241123221500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124155000","author":"Procyon117","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Procyon117-20241124155000-Cremastra-20241123221500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Procyon117-20241124155000-Cremastra-20241123221500"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Svartner-20241127093200-Cremastra-20241123221500"></span>Delete</b> – Per above. <a href="/wiki/User:Svartner" title="User:Svartner">Svartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Svartner" title="User talk:Svartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Svartner-20241127093200-Cremastra-20241123221500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Svartner-20241127093200-Cremastra-20241123221500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_cultural_entities_with_sole_naming_rights-Organizations_deletion-20241122063500"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_cultural_entities_with_sole_naming_rights&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: List of cultural entities with sole naming rights"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span id="List_of_cultural_entities_with_sole_naming_rights"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/List_of_cultural_entities_with_sole_naming_rights" title="List of cultural entities with sole naming rights"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-162_etc.-20241122063500-List_of_cultural_entities_with_sole_naming_rights"></span>List of cultural entities with sole naming rights</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/List_of_cultural_entities_with_sole_naming_rights" title="Special:EditPage/List of cultural entities with sole naming rights">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:List_of_cultural_entities_with_sole_naming_rights" title="Talk:List of cultural entities with sole naming rights">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/List_of_cultural_entities_with_sole_naming_rights" title="Special:PageHistory/List of cultural entities with sole naming rights">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/List_of_cultural_entities_with_sole_naming_rights" title="Special:ProtectPage/List of cultural entities with sole naming rights">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/List_of_cultural_entities_with_sole_naming_rights" title="Special:DeletePage/List of cultural entities with sole naming rights">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/List_of_cultural_entities_with_sole_naming_rights&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_cultural_entities_with_sole_naming_rights&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=List+of+cultural+entities+with+sole+naming+rights">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=List_of_cultural_entities_with_sole_naming_rights&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_cultural_entities_with_sole_naming_rights" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of cultural entities with sole naming rights">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1258895284/cur" title="Special:Diff/1258895284/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22List+of+cultural+entities+with+sole+naming+rights%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22List+of+cultural+entities+with+sole+naming+rights%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22List+of+cultural+entities+with+sole+naming+rights%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22List+of+cultural+entities+with+sole+naming+rights%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22List+of+cultural+entities+with+sole+naming+rights%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22List+of+cultural+entities+with+sole+naming+rights%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22List+of+cultural+entities+with+sole+naming+rights%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22List+of+cultural+entities+with+sole+naming+rights%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Non-notable hodgepodge of venues which have a naming rights sponsor. No apparent notability or sources to tie them together. No incoming links. See also a related discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_sponsored_sports_venues" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of sponsored sports venues">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of sponsored sports venues</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:162_etc." title="User:162 etc.">162 etc.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:162_etc." title="User talk:162 etc.">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-162_etc.-20241122063500-List_of_cultural_entities_with_sole_naming_rights" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-162_etc.-20241122063500-List_of_cultural_entities_with_sole_naming_rights"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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style="color:#999933">✎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wcquidditch-20241122064500-162_etc.-20241122063500-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wcquidditch-20241122064500-162_etc.-20241122063500-1"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wcquidditch-20241122064500-162_etc.-20241122063500-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122064500","author":"Wcquidditch","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wcquidditch-20241122064500-162_etc.-20241122063500-1","replies":[]}}--></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mangoe-20241122130400-162_etc.-20241122063500"></span>delete</b> What is conspicuously missing in the <a href="/wiki/Naming_right" class="mw-redirect" title="Naming right">naming rights</a> article is any definition of a "<i>sole</i> naming right". This seems to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MADEUP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MADEUP">something made up one day</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Mangoe" title="User:Mangoe">Mangoe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mangoe" title="User talk:Mangoe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Mangoe-20241122130400-162_etc.-20241122063500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mangoe-20241122130400-162_etc.-20241122063500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122130400","author":"Mangoe","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mangoe-20241122130400-162_etc.-20241122063500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mangoe-20241122130400-162_etc.-20241122063500"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-35.139.154.158-20241122160600-162_etc.-20241122063500"></span>Comment</b>, what in the world is a "cultural entity"? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/35.139.154.158" title="Special:Contributions/35.139.154.158">35.139.154.158</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:35.139.154.158" title="User talk:35.139.154.158">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-35.139.154.158-20241122160600-162_etc.-20241122063500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-35.139.154.158-20241122160600-162_etc.-20241122063500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122160600","author":"35.139.154.158","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-35.139.154.158-20241122160600-162_etc.-20241122063500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-35.139.154.158-20241122160600-162_etc.-20241122063500"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Eleven_Star_FC" data-mw-thread-id="h-Eleven_Star_FC-Organizations_deletion-20241121152600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Eleven_Star_FC-Organizations_deletion-20241121152600"></span><a href="/wiki/Eleven_Star_FC" title="Eleven Star FC">Eleven Star FC</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Eleven_Star_FC-Organizations_deletion-20241121152600"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Eleven_Star_FC&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Eleven Star FC"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span id="Eleven_Star_FC"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Eleven_Star_FC" title="Eleven Star FC"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demt1298-20241121152600-Eleven_Star_FC"></span>Eleven Star FC</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Eleven_Star_FC" title="Special:EditPage/Eleven Star FC">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Eleven_Star_FC" title="Talk:Eleven Star FC">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Eleven_Star_FC" title="Special:PageHistory/Eleven Star FC">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Eleven_Star_FC" title="Special:ProtectPage/Eleven Star FC">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Eleven_Star_FC" title="Special:DeletePage/Eleven Star FC">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Eleven_Star_FC&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eleven_Star_FC&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Eleven+Star+FC">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Eleven_Star_FC&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Eleven_Star_FC" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eleven Star FC">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1226137318/cur" title="Special:Diff/1226137318/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Eleven+Star+FC%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Eleven+Star+FC%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Eleven+Star+FC%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Eleven+Star+FC%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Eleven+Star+FC%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Eleven+Star+FC%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Eleven+Star+FC%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Eleven+Star+FC%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. Club only existed for one season and does not have <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Demt1298" title="User:Demt1298">Demt1298</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Demt1298" title="User talk:Demt1298">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Demt1298-20241121152600-Eleven_Star_FC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demt1298-20241121152600-Eleven_Star_FC"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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style="color:red">☎</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch" title="Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch"><span style="color:#999933">✎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wcquidditch-20241121222000-Demt1298-20241121152600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wcquidditch-20241121222000-Demt1298-20241121152600"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wcquidditch-20241121222000-Demt1298-20241121152600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="/wiki/User:Spiderone" title="User:Spiderone"><span style="color: #996600">Spiderone</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spiderone" title="User talk:Spiderone"><span style="color:brown">(Talk to Spider)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Spiderone-20241122120000-Demt1298-20241121152600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spiderone-20241122120000-Demt1298-20241121152600"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spiderone-20241122120000-Demt1298-20241121152600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gul_Butt-20241122183700-Demt1298-20241121152600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122183700","author":"Gul Butt","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gul_Butt-20241122183700-Demt1298-20241121152600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gul_Butt-20241122183700-Demt1298-20241121152600"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-گل_زیب-20241124082100-Demt1298-20241121152600"></span>Redirect to <a href="/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_Pakistan" title="List of football clubs in Pakistan">List of football clubs in Pakistan</a>.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%DA%AF%D9%84_%D8%B2%DB%8C%D8%A8&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:گل زیب (page does not exist)">گل زیب</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%DA%AF%D9%84_%D8%B2%DB%8C%D8%A8&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:گل زیب (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-گل_زیب-20241124082100-Demt1298-20241121152600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-گل_زیب-20241124082100-Demt1298-20241121152600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124082100","author":"\u06af\u0644 \u0632\u06cc\u0628","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u06af\u0644_\u0632\u06cc\u0628-20241124082100-Demt1298-20241121152600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-گل_زیب-20241124082100-Demt1298-20241121152600"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JayFT047-20241127000700-Demt1298-20241121152600"></span>Redirect</b>, this article along with <a href="/wiki/Chand_FC_Layyah" title="Chand FC Layyah">Chand FC Layyah</a> and <a href="/wiki/Mardan_Blue_Star_FC" title="Mardan Blue Star FC">Mardan Blue Star FC</a> which just got nominated for deletion. I did these articles as the upcoming <a href="/wiki/Pakistan_Premier_League" title="Pakistan Premier League">Pakistan Premier League</a> is expected to only include club sides for the first time in history, as previously the sport was dominated by government entities, but honestly these clubs in particular have been a headache to find more sources. Didn't expect that, I think best for now would be redirect to <a href="/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_Pakistan" title="List of football clubs in Pakistan">List of football clubs in Pakistan</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:JayFT047" title="User:JayFT047">JayFT047</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JayFT047" title="User talk:JayFT047">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-JayFT047-20241127000700-Demt1298-20241121152600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JayFT047-20241127000700-Demt1298-20241121152600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127000700","author":"JayFT047","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JayFT047-20241127000700-Demt1298-20241121152600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JayFT047-20241127000700-Demt1298-20241121152600"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikibear47-20241127154100-Demt1298-20241121152600"></span>Redirect to <a href="/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_Pakistan" title="List of football clubs in Pakistan">List of football clubs in Pakistan</a></b>: As per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ATD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ATD">WP:ATD</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Wikibear47" title="User:Wikibear47">Wikibear47</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikibear47" title="User talk:Wikibear47">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wikibear47-20241127154100-Demt1298-20241121152600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikibear47-20241127154100-Demt1298-20241121152600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127154100","author":"Wikibear47","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wikibear47-20241127154100-Demt1298-20241121152600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikibear47-20241127154100-Demt1298-20241121152600"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Magwayen_Creative_Scholars'_Guild" data-mw-thread-id="h-Magwayen_Creative_Scholars'_Guild-Organizations_deletion-20241121062100"><span id="Magwayen_Creative_Scholars.27_Guild"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Magwayen_Creative_Scholars'_Guild-Organizations_deletion-20241121062100"></span><a href="/wiki/Magwayen_Creative_Scholars%27_Guild" title="Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild">Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Magwayen_Creative_Scholars'_Guild-Organizations_deletion-20241121062100"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Magwayen_Creative_Scholars%27_Guild_(2nd_nomination)&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="other-afds" style="width:33%; border: 1px solid #a2a9b1; background-color: var(--background-color-interactive-subtle, #f8f9fa); color: var(--color-base, inherit); margin: 0.5em 0 0.5em 1em; padding: 0.2em; float: right; clear: right; font-size: 88%; min-width:20em; max-width: 100%"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100-Magwayen_Creative_Scholars'_Guild"></span>AfDs for this article: <ul class="mw-prefixindex-list"><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Magwayen_Creative_Scholars%27_Guild" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild">Articles for deletion/Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Magwayen_Creative_Scholars%27_Guild_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild (2nd nomination)">Articles for deletion/Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild (2nd nomination)</a></li> </ul> </div> <dl><dd><span id="Magwayen_Creative_Scholars'_Guild"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Magwayen_Creative_Scholars%27_Guild" title="Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild">Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Magwayen_Creative_Scholars%27_Guild" title="Special:EditPage/Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Magwayen_Creative_Scholars%27_Guild" title="Talk:Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Magwayen_Creative_Scholars%27_Guild" title="Special:PageHistory/Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Magwayen_Creative_Scholars%27_Guild" title="Special:ProtectPage/Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Magwayen_Creative_Scholars%27_Guild" title="Special:DeletePage/Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Magwayen_Creative_Scholars%27_Guild&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Magwayen_Creative_Scholars%27_Guild&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Magwayen+Creative+Scholars%27+Guild">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Magwayen_Creative_Scholars%27_Guild&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Magwayen_Creative_Scholars%27_Guild_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild (2nd nomination)">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1255358704/cur" title="Special:Diff/1255358704/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Magwayen+Creative+Scholars%27+Guild%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Magwayen+Creative+Scholars%27+Guild%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Magwayen+Creative+Scholars%27+Guild%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Magwayen+Creative+Scholars%27+Guild%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Magwayen+Creative+Scholars%27+Guild%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Magwayen+Creative+Scholars%27+Guild%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Magwayen+Creative+Scholars%27+Guild%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Magwayen+Creative+Scholars%27+Guild%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>, lack of credible sources. Cites are all blog sources. <a href="/wiki/User:Hariboneagle927" title="User:Hariboneagle927">Hariboneagle927</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hariboneagle927" title="User talk:Hariboneagle927">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100-Magwayen_Creative_Scholars'_Guild" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100-Magwayen_Creative_Scholars'_Guild"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121062100","author":"Hariboneagle927","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100-Magwayen_Creative_Scholars'_Guild","replies":["c-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100","c-Sushidude21!-20241121072800-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100","c-Ssilvers-20241121153000-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100","c-AstrooKai-20241122194100-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100","c-WhatamIdoing-20241126214700-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100","c-Titopao-20241128024200-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100-Magwayen_Creative_Scholars'_Guild"></span> </p> <ul><li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Theatre" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Theatre">Theatre</a>, <a class="mw-selflink selflink">Organizations</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Schools" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Schools">Schools</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Philippines" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Philippines">Philippines</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Hariboneagle927" title="User:Hariboneagle927">Hariboneagle927</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hariboneagle927" title="User talk:Hariboneagle927">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121062100","author":"Hariboneagle927","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sushidude21!-20241121072800-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"></span>Draftify</b> - The main problem is sources. There is a chance of better sources being out there. <a href="/wiki/User:Sushidude21!" title="User:Sushidude21!">Sushidude21!</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sushidude21!" title="User talk:Sushidude21!">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Sushidude21!-20241121072800-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sushidude21!-20241121072800-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121072800","author":"Sushidude21!","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sushidude21!-20241121072800-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sushidude21!-20241121072800-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ssilvers-20241121153000-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"></span>Delete</b>. Non-notable student theatre group that apparently produces one show per year, for one weekend. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MILL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MILL">WP:MILL</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Ssilvers" title="User:Ssilvers">Ssilvers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ssilvers" title="User talk:Ssilvers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Ssilvers-20241121153000-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ssilvers-20241121153000-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121153000","author":"Ssilvers","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ssilvers-20241121153000-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ssilvers-20241121153000-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AstrooKai-20241122194100-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"></span>Delete</b> per nom and <a href="/wiki/User:Ssilvers" title="User:Ssilvers">Ssilvers</a>. Only a few news articles about this group appeared when I searched the internet, and they were all outdated, going back to 2014 and before. While such news articles exist, they're mostly from <i>PEP.ph</i> and only discuss the events the group held in those years, which I think is insufficient to establish <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a> of the group as a whole. <span style="border-radius:7px;background:#dc143c;padding:4px 6px 4px 6px;color:white;"><a href="/wiki/User:AstrooKai" title="User:AstrooKai"><span style="color:white;">AstrooKai</span></a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AstrooKai" title="User talk:AstrooKai">Talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-AstrooKai-20241122194100-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AstrooKai-20241122194100-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122194100","author":"AstrooKai","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AstrooKai-20241122194100-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100","replies":["c-WhatamIdoing-20241126214300-AstrooKai-20241122194100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AstrooKai-20241122194100-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhatamIdoing-20241126214300-AstrooKai-20241122194100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AstrooKai" title="User:AstrooKai">AstrooKai</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_is_not_temporary" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notability is not temporary">Wikipedia:Notability is not temporary</a>, so "outdated" sources still count. <a href="/wiki/User:WhatamIdoing" title="User:WhatamIdoing">WhatamIdoing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhatamIdoing" title="User talk:WhatamIdoing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-WhatamIdoing-20241126214300-AstrooKai-20241122194100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhatamIdoing-20241126214300-AstrooKai-20241122194100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126214300","author":"WhatamIdoing","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-WhatamIdoing-20241126214300-AstrooKai-20241122194100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhatamIdoing-20241126214300-AstrooKai-20241122194100"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhatamIdoing-20241126214700-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"></span>Merge and redirect</b> to <a href="/wiki/Pamantasan_ng_Lungsod_ng_Maynila" title="Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila">Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila</a>, of which this organization is a part. The merged material should be very brief – possibly no more than "Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild is a theatre group on campus" – but enough that future editors won't start an RFD because it's "not mentioned". <a href="/wiki/User:WhatamIdoing" title="User:WhatamIdoing">WhatamIdoing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhatamIdoing" title="User talk:WhatamIdoing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-WhatamIdoing-20241126214700-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhatamIdoing-20241126214700-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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data-mw-thread-id="c-Titopao-20241128024200-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128024200","author":"Titopao","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Titopao-20241128024200-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100","replies":[],"displayName":"Tito Pao"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Titopao-20241128024200-Hariboneagle927-20241121062100"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Marxist–Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine" data-mw-thread-id="h-Marxist–Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine-Organizations_deletion-20241120204800"><span id="Marxist.E2.80.93Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Marxist–Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine-Organizations_deletion-20241120204800"></span><a href="/wiki/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine" title="Marxist–Leninist Party of Ukraine">Marxist–Leninist Party of Ukraine</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Marxist–Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine-Organizations_deletion-20241120204800"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Marxist–Leninist Party of Ukraine"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span id="Marxist–Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine" title="Marxist–Leninist Party of Ukraine"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800-Marxist–Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine"></span>Marxist–Leninist Party of Ukraine</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine" title="Special:EditPage/Marxist–Leninist Party of Ukraine">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine" title="Talk:Marxist–Leninist Party of Ukraine">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine" title="Special:PageHistory/Marxist–Leninist Party of Ukraine">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine" title="Special:ProtectPage/Marxist–Leninist Party of Ukraine">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine" title="Special:DeletePage/Marxist–Leninist Party of Ukraine">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist+Party+of+Ukraine">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marxist–Leninist Party of Ukraine">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1240587575/cur" title="Special:Diff/1240587575/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist+Party+of+Ukraine%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist+Party+of+Ukraine%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist+Party+of+Ukraine%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist+Party+of+Ukraine%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist+Party+of+Ukraine%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist+Party+of+Ukraine%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist+Party+of+Ukraine%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist+Party+of+Ukraine%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Unsourced since 2009. The external link does not refer to this party, at least per machine translation. Only references I can find to this party are referring or reproducing this article. <a href="/wiki/User:Smallangryplanet" title="User:Smallangryplanet">Smallangryplanet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smallangryplanet" title="User talk:Smallangryplanet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800-Marxist–Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800-Marxist–Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120204800","author":"Smallangryplanet","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800-Marxist\u2013Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine","replies":["c-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800","c-Shellwood-20241120214000-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800","c-Soman-20241121100500-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800","c-OwenX-20241127213000-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800-Marxist–Leninist_Party_of_Ukraine"></span> </p> <ul><li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Politics" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Politics">Politics</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Ukraine" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Ukraine">Ukraine</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Smallangryplanet" title="User:Smallangryplanet">Smallangryplanet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smallangryplanet" title="User talk:Smallangryplanet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120204800","author":"Smallangryplanet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shellwood-20241120214000-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">list of Organizations-related deletion discussions</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Shellwood" title="User:Shellwood">Shellwood</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shellwood" title="User talk:Shellwood">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Shellwood-20241120214000-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shellwood-20241120214000-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shellwood-20241120214000-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120214000","author":"Shellwood","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Shellwood-20241120214000-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Soman-20241121100500-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800"></span>Comment</b> - I find nothing at all searching in either Ukrainian or Russian. There was 'Communist Marxist-Leninist Party of Ukraine' founded in 2013 by <a href="/wiki/Leonid_Grach" class="mw-redirect" title="Leonid Grach">Leonid Grach</a><span class="noprint" style="font-size:85%; font-style: normal;"> [<a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%87,_%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B4_%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87" class="extiw" title="ru:Грач, Леонид Иванович">ru</a>]</span>, which was clearly another party. --<a href="/wiki/User:Soman" title="User:Soman">Soman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Soman" title="User talk:Soman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Soman-20241121100500-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Soman-20241121100500-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121100500","author":"Soman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Soman-20241121100500-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Soman-20241121100500-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;"><b><span style="font-size:91%;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OwenX-20241127213000-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800"></span>Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.</span></b></span><br/><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:OwenX" title="User:OwenX">Owen×</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:OwenX" title="User talk:OwenX"><big>☎</big></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-OwenX-20241127213000-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OwenX-20241127213000-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OwenX-20241127213000-Smallangryplanet-20241120204800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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id="Les_Marmitons"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Les_Marmitons" title="Les Marmitons"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zippybonzo-20241120130700-Les_Marmitons"></span>Les Marmitons</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Les_Marmitons" title="Special:EditPage/Les Marmitons">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Les_Marmitons" title="Talk:Les Marmitons">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Les_Marmitons" title="Special:PageHistory/Les Marmitons">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Les_Marmitons" title="Special:ProtectPage/Les Marmitons">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Les_Marmitons" title="Special:DeletePage/Les Marmitons">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Les_Marmitons&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Les_Marmitons&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Les+Marmitons">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Les_Marmitons&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Les_Marmitons" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Les Marmitons">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1258572366/cur" title="Special:Diff/1258572366/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Les+Marmitons%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Les+Marmitons%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Les+Marmitons%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Les+Marmitons%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Les+Marmitons%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Les+Marmitons%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Les+Marmitons%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Les+Marmitons%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>No evidence of notability, although it's existed for nearly 2 decades, it's promotional in tone, and likely a copyright violation of <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://egdc.ca/">[13]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Zippybonzo" title="User:Zippybonzo">Zippybonzo</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zippybonzo" title="User talk:Zippybonzo"><small>talk</small></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Zippybonzo" title="Special:Contributions/Zippybonzo"><small>contribs</small></a> (they/them) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Zippybonzo-20241120130700-Les_Marmitons" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zippybonzo-20241120130700-Les_Marmitons"><span 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data-mw-thread-id="c-Zippybonzo-20241120130700-Zippybonzo-20241120130700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120130700","author":"Zippybonzo","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Zippybonzo-20241120130700-Zippybonzo-20241120130700","replies":[]}}--></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sink_Cat-20241121061000-Zippybonzo-20241120130700"></span>Support</b>, article lacks notability. — Your local <a href="/wiki/User:Sink_Cat" title="User:Sink Cat">Sink Cat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sink_Cat" title="User talk:Sink Cat">The Sink</a>). <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Sink_Cat-20241121061000-Zippybonzo-20241120130700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sink_Cat-20241121061000-Zippybonzo-20241120130700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121061000","author":"Sink Cat","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sink_Cat-20241121061000-Zippybonzo-20241120130700","replies":["c-Toadspike-20241127104700-Sink_Cat-20241121061000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sink_Cat-20241121061000-Zippybonzo-20241120130700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toadspike-20241127104700-Sink_Cat-20241121061000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sink_Cat" title="User:Sink Cat">Sink Cat</a> Based on your rationale, I assume you meant to write "Delete" in bold, not "Support"? It is clearer when AfD !votes are for a specific outcome, rather than just supporting the nomination. The nominator could change their mind, for instance, or (like in this case) not specify the outcome they're seeking. <a href="/wiki/User:Toadspike" title="User:Toadspike"><span style="color:#21a81e;font-variant: small-caps;font-weight:bold;"><b>Toadspike</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toadspike" title="User talk:Toadspike"><span style="color:#21a81e;font-variant: small-caps;font-weight:bold;">[Talk]</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Toadspike-20241127104700-Sink_Cat-20241121061000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toadspike-20241127104700-Sink_Cat-20241121061000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127104700","author":"Toadspike","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Toadspike-20241127104700-Sink_Cat-20241121061000","replies":["c-Sink_Cat-20241127134600-Toadspike-20241127104700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toadspike-20241127104700-Sink_Cat-20241121061000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sink_Cat-20241127134600-Toadspike-20241127104700"></span>Thanks! Yes I had meant delete. — Your local <a href="/wiki/User:Sink_Cat" title="User:Sink Cat">Sink Cat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sink_Cat" title="User talk:Sink Cat">The Sink</a>). <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Sink_Cat-20241127134600-Toadspike-20241127104700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sink_Cat-20241127134600-Toadspike-20241127104700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127134600","author":"Sink Cat","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Sink_Cat-20241127134600-Toadspike-20241127104700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sink_Cat-20241127134600-Toadspike-20241127104700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rollinginhisgrave-20241126220400-Zippybonzo-20241120130700"></span>Keep</b>, plenty of sourcing that could be used.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.proquest.com/docview/358583436/FFDB6005EF8B4760PQ/3">[14]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.proquest.com/docview/240654665/FFDB6005EF8B4760PQ/4?">[15]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.proquest.com/docview/359329993/FFDB6005EF8B4760PQ/2">[16]</a> etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Rollinginhisgrave" title="User:Rollinginhisgrave">Rollinginhisgrave</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rollinginhisgrave" title="User talk:Rollinginhisgrave">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Rollinginhisgrave-20241126220400-Zippybonzo-20241120130700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rollinginhisgrave-20241126220400-Zippybonzo-20241120130700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126220400","author":"Rollinginhisgrave","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Rollinginhisgrave-20241126220400-Zippybonzo-20241120130700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rollinginhisgrave-20241126220400-Zippybonzo-20241120130700"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;"><b><span style="font-size:91%;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Benison-20241127130800-Zippybonzo-20241120130700"></span>Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.</span></b></span><br/><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Benison <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Benison" title="User:Benison">Beni</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Benison" title="User talk:Benison">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Benison-20241127130800-Zippybonzo-20241120130700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Benison-20241127130800-Zippybonzo-20241120130700"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Benison-20241127130800-Zippybonzo-20241120130700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/APFIC_Objective_and_Key_Achievements&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: APFIC Objective and Key Achievements"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span id="APFIC_Objective_and_Key_Achievements"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/APFIC_Objective_and_Key_Achievements" title="APFIC Objective and Key Achievements"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bunnypranav-20241120064600-APFIC_Objective_and_Key_Achievements"></span>APFIC Objective and Key Achievements</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/APFIC_Objective_and_Key_Achievements" title="Special:EditPage/APFIC Objective and Key Achievements">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:APFIC_Objective_and_Key_Achievements&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:APFIC Objective and Key Achievements (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a 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href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=APFIC_Objective_and_Key_Achievements&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/APFIC_Objective_and_Key_Achievements" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/APFIC Objective and Key Achievements">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1258531790/cur" title="Special:Diff/1258531790/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22APFIC+Objective+and+Key+Achievements%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22APFIC+Objective+and+Key+Achievements%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22APFIC+Objective+and+Key+Achievements%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22APFIC+Objective+and+Key+Achievements%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22APFIC+Objective+and+Key+Achievements%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22APFIC+Objective+and+Key+Achievements%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22APFIC+Objective+and+Key+Achievements%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22APFIC+Objective+and+Key+Achievements%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Entire article is written like a promotion. Only source mentioning APFIC is its own page and a document at fao.org, its parent organization. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:Bunnypranav" title="User:Bunnypranav"><span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span></a>:<<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bunnypranav" title="User talk:Bunnypranav"><span style="color:#2c5282">ping</span></a>></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Bunnypranav-20241120064600-APFIC_Objective_and_Key_Achievements" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bunnypranav-20241120064600-APFIC_Objective_and_Key_Achievements"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120064600","author":"Bunnypranav","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bunnypranav-20241120064600-APFIC_Objective_and_Key_Achievements","replies":["c-Bunnypranav-20241120064600-Bunnypranav-20241120064600","c-4meter4-20241120070700-Bunnypranav-20241120064600","c-Wcquidditch-20241120120100-Bunnypranav-20241120064600","c-Liz-20241127074300-Bunnypranav-20241120064600"],"displayName":"~\/Bunnypranav"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bunnypranav-20241120064600-APFIC_Objective_and_Key_Achievements"></span> </p> <ul><li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bunnypranav-20241120064600-Bunnypranav-20241120064600"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a class="mw-selflink selflink">Organizations</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Asia" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Asia">Asia</a>. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:Bunnypranav" title="User:Bunnypranav"><span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span></a>:<<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bunnypranav" title="User talk:Bunnypranav"><span style="color:#2c5282">ping</span></a>></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Bunnypranav-20241120064600-Bunnypranav-20241120064600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bunnypranav-20241120064600-Bunnypranav-20241120064600"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bunnypranav-20241120064600-Bunnypranav-20241120064600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120064600","author":"Bunnypranav","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bunnypranav-20241120064600-Bunnypranav-20241120064600","replies":[],"displayName":"~\/Bunnypranav"}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-4meter4-20241120070700-Bunnypranav-20241120064600"></span>Keep</b>. It has an entry in this <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Historical_Dictionary_of_International_O/AvHDBAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Asia-Pacific+Fishery+Commission%22&pg=PA62&printsec=frontcover">Dictionary</a>, this <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/International_Organizations/v8gYDAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Asia-Pacific+Fishery+Commission%22&pg=PA47&printsec=frontcover">Dictionary</a>, and an entry beginning on page 627 in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/International_Organizations_and_the_Law/RRQXEQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Asia-Pacific+Fishery+Commission%22&pg=PA610&printsec=frontcover">International Organizations and the Law of the Sea</a> of which only the first page is viewable. The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Encyclopedia_of_Ocean_Law_and_Policy_in/CMudEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Asia-Pacific+Fishery+Commission%22&pg=PA194&printsec=frontcover">Encyclopedia of Ocean Law and Policy in Asia-Pacific</a> takes the time to document when various countries became members of this organization. It's organized by nation, so the coverage is across multiple pages. I think this highlighting within an overview of each country indicates some importance. There is also some coverage in <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_South_China_Sea/MgbFDAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Asia-Pacific+Fishery+Commission%22&pg=PA287&printsec=frontcover">[17]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Sustainable_Development_and_the_Law_of_t/QLmPDQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Asia-Pacific+Fishery+Commission%22&pg=PA75&printsec=frontcover">[18]</a>, Best.<a href="/wiki/User:4meter4" title="User:4meter4">4meter4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:4meter4" title="User talk:4meter4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-4meter4-20241120070700-Bunnypranav-20241120064600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-4meter4-20241120070700-Bunnypranav-20241120064600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120070700","author":"4meter4","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-4meter4-20241120070700-Bunnypranav-20241120064600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-4meter4-20241120070700-Bunnypranav-20241120064600"></span></li> <li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wcquidditch-20241120120100-Bunnypranav-20241120064600"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Environment" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Environment">list of Environment-related deletion discussions</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Wcquidditch" title="User:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">WC</span><i><span style="color:#999933">Quidditch</span></i></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wcquidditch" title="User talk:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">☎</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch" title="Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch"><span style="color:#999933">✎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wcquidditch-20241120120100-Bunnypranav-20241120064600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wcquidditch-20241120120100-Bunnypranav-20241120064600"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wcquidditch-20241120120100-Bunnypranav-20241120064600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120120100","author":"Wcquidditch","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wcquidditch-20241120120100-Bunnypranav-20241120064600","replies":[]}}--></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;"><b><span style="font-size:91%;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20241127074300-Bunnypranav-20241120064600"></span>Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.</span></b></span><br/><small>Please add new comments below this notice. 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Cannot find any sourcing that confirms the existence of this trade union other than <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100069763878141">Facebook</a>. Appears to be a single person as acting as a union. Referred to in a number of locations as "Union générale marocaine du travail" (for example, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.ulandssekretariatet.dk/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/LMP-Morocco-2023-final1.pdf">this Danish trade union report</a> on Morocco, but which cites French Wikipedia as source). I also see some reports referencing the French name, but this has been confused with the long establised <a href="/wiki/General_Union_of_Moroccan_Workers" title="General Union of Moroccan Workers">UGTM</a> (Union générale des travailleurs du Maroc). I've not been able to do an extensive search in Arabic, but French and English draw blanks. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Goldsztajn-20241120003900-Moroccan_General_Labour_Union" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20241120003900-Moroccan_General_Labour_Union"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120003900","author":"Goldsztajn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Goldsztajn-20241120003900-Moroccan_General_Labour_Union","replies":["c-Goldsztajn-20241120003900-Goldsztajn-20241120003900","c-4meter4-20241120045100-Goldsztajn-20241120003900","c-Mccapra-20241120173300-Goldsztajn-20241120003900","c-Explicit-20241127022700-Goldsztajn-20241120003900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20241120003900-Moroccan_General_Labour_Union"></span> </p> <ul><li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goldsztajn-20241120003900-Goldsztajn-20241120003900"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a class="mw-selflink selflink">Organizations</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Politics" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Politics">Politics</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Economics" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Economics">Economics</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Morocco" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Morocco">Morocco</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Goldsztajn-20241120003900-Goldsztajn-20241120003900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20241120003900-Goldsztajn-20241120003900"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20241120003900-Goldsztajn-20241120003900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120003900","author":"Goldsztajn","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Goldsztajn-20241120003900-Goldsztajn-20241120003900","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-4meter4-20241120045100-Goldsztajn-20241120003900"></span>Comment</b> Does the organization possibly have a foreign language name(s) that it uses? There are <a href="/wiki/Languages_of_Morocco" title="Languages of Morocco">many languages spoken in Morroco</a> with English not being the predominant language. My guess is that locating sources would be under a foreign language title...<a href="/wiki/User:4meter4" title="User:4meter4">4meter4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:4meter4" title="User talk:4meter4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-4meter4-20241120045100-Goldsztajn-20241120003900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-4meter4-20241120045100-Goldsztajn-20241120003900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120045100","author":"4meter4","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-4meter4-20241120045100-Goldsztajn-20241120003900","replies":["c-Goldsztajn-20241120212000-4meter4-20241120045100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-4meter4-20241120045100-Goldsztajn-20241120003900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goldsztajn-20241120212000-4meter4-20241120045100"></span>All Moroccan unions use Arabic and French. The name in Arabic is: الاتحاد العام المغربي للشغل Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Goldsztajn-20241120212000-4meter4-20241120045100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20241120212000-4meter4-20241120045100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120212000","author":"Goldsztajn","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Goldsztajn-20241120212000-4meter4-20241120045100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20241120212000-4meter4-20241120045100"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mccapra-20241120173300-Goldsztajn-20241120003900"></span>Delete</b> I’ve searched in French and Arabic for the union and its founder. Nothing about the founder, plenty about other unions with similar titles, but nothing about this one. <a href="/wiki/User:Mccapra" title="User:Mccapra">Mccapra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mccapra" title="User talk:Mccapra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Mccapra-20241120173300-Goldsztajn-20241120003900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mccapra-20241120173300-Goldsztajn-20241120003900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120173300","author":"Mccapra","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mccapra-20241120173300-Goldsztajn-20241120003900","replies":["c-Mccapra-20241120173700-Mccapra-20241120173300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mccapra-20241120173300-Goldsztajn-20241120003900"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mccapra-20241120173700-Mccapra-20241120173300"></span>btw the UGMT referred to in the Danish report is not the same body. That was founded in 1960 and is notable. <a href="/wiki/User:Mccapra" title="User:Mccapra">Mccapra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mccapra" title="User talk:Mccapra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Mccapra-20241120173700-Mccapra-20241120173300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mccapra-20241120173700-Mccapra-20241120173300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120173700","author":"Mccapra","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mccapra-20241120173700-Mccapra-20241120173300","replies":["c-Goldsztajn-20241120193800-Mccapra-20241120173700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mccapra-20241120173700-Mccapra-20241120173300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goldsztajn-20241120193800-Mccapra-20241120173700"></span>FWIW, see page 31 of the Ulandssekretariatet report, citing French Wiki, last entry on the table, it's referring to the UGMT, not the UGTM. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Goldsztajn" title="User:Goldsztajn">Goldsztajn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goldsztajn" title="User talk:Goldsztajn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Goldsztajn-20241120193800-Mccapra-20241120173700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goldsztajn-20241120193800-Mccapra-20241120173700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120193800","author":"Goldsztajn","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Goldsztajn-20241120193800-Mccapra-20241120173700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goldsztajn-20241120193800-Mccapra-20241120173700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;"><b><span style="font-size:91%;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Explicit-20241127022700-Goldsztajn-20241120003900"></span>Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.</span></b></span><br/><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit"><span style="color:#000000">✗</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit"><span style="color:white;background:black;font-family:felix titling;font-size:80%">plicit</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Explicit-20241127022700-Goldsztajn-20241120003900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Explicit-20241127022700-Goldsztajn-20241120003900"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Explicit-20241127022700-Goldsztajn-20241120003900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span id="PS_Klabat_Jaya_Sakti"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/PS_Klabat_Jaya_Sakti" title="PS Klabat Jaya Sakti"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demt1298-20241115163800-PS_Klabat_Jaya_Sakti"></span>PS Klabat Jaya Sakti</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/PS_Klabat_Jaya_Sakti" title="Special:EditPage/PS Klabat Jaya Sakti">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:PS_Klabat_Jaya_Sakti" title="Talk:PS Klabat Jaya Sakti">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/PS_Klabat_Jaya_Sakti" title="Special:PageHistory/PS Klabat Jaya Sakti">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/PS_Klabat_Jaya_Sakti" title="Special:ProtectPage/PS Klabat Jaya Sakti">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/PS_Klabat_Jaya_Sakti" title="Special:DeletePage/PS Klabat Jaya Sakti">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/PS_Klabat_Jaya_Sakti&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PS_Klabat_Jaya_Sakti&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=PS+Klabat+Jaya+Sakti">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=PS_Klabat_Jaya_Sakti&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/PS_Klabat_Jaya_Sakti" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PS Klabat Jaya Sakti">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1251320340/cur" title="Special:Diff/1251320340/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22PS+Klabat+Jaya+Sakti%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22PS+Klabat+Jaya+Sakti%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22PS+Klabat+Jaya+Sakti%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22PS+Klabat+Jaya+Sakti%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22PS+Klabat+Jaya+Sakti%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22PS+Klabat+Jaya+Sakti%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22PS+Klabat+Jaya+Sakti%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22PS+Klabat+Jaya+Sakti%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. No evidence of secondary coverage that shows <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Demt1298" title="User:Demt1298">Demt1298</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Demt1298" title="User talk:Demt1298">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Demt1298-20241115163800-PS_Klabat_Jaya_Sakti" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demt1298-20241115163800-PS_Klabat_Jaya_Sakti"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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</p> <ul><li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demt1298-20241115163800-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Football" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Football">Football</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Indonesia" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Indonesia">Indonesia</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Demt1298" title="User:Demt1298">Demt1298</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Demt1298" title="User talk:Demt1298">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Demt1298-20241115163800-Demt1298-20241115163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demt1298-20241115163800-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demt1298-20241115163800-Demt1298-20241115163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115163800","author":"Demt1298","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Demt1298-20241115163800-Demt1298-20241115163800","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wcquidditch-20241115173300-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">list of Organizations-related deletion discussions</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Wcquidditch" title="User:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">WC</span><i><span style="color:#999933">Quidditch</span></i></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wcquidditch" title="User talk:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">☎</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch" title="Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch"><span style="color:#999933">✎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wcquidditch-20241115173300-Demt1298-20241115163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wcquidditch-20241115173300-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wcquidditch-20241115173300-Demt1298-20241115163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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covered in the media on a consistent basis, but I'm struggling with the language barrier. <a href="/wiki/User:SportingFlyer" title="User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a> <i><span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:top;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SportingFlyer" title="User talk:SportingFlyer">T</a></span></i>·<i><span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:bottom;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer" title="Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer">C</a></span></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-SportingFlyer-20241115184300-Demt1298-20241115163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SportingFlyer-20241115184300-Demt1298-20241115163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-GiantSnowman-20241116084300-Demt1298-20241115163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:43, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GiantSnowman-20241116084300-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GiantSnowman-20241116084300-Demt1298-20241115163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241116084300","author":"GiantSnowman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GiantSnowman-20241116084300-Demt1298-20241115163800","replies":[],"displayName":"Giant"}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GiantSnowman-20241116084600-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span>Keep</b> per sources above which (appear to) show notability. <a href="/wiki/User:GiantSnowman" title="User:GiantSnowman">Giant</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GiantSnowman" title="User talk:GiantSnowman">Snowman</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-GiantSnowman-20241116084600-Demt1298-20241115163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GiantSnowman-20241116084600-Demt1298-20241115163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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As a team playing in the lowest division of football in Indonesia, its notability is limited to its region and it's relatively unknown on a national level. IMO, it doesn't meet the GNG. <a href="/wiki/User:Ckfasdf" title="User:Ckfasdf">Ckfasdf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ckfasdf" title="User talk:Ckfasdf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Ckfasdf-20241116095500-Demt1298-20241115163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ckfasdf-20241116095500-Demt1298-20241115163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241116095500","author":"Ckfasdf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ckfasdf-20241116095500-Demt1298-20241115163800","replies":["c-Ckfasdf-20241116100000-Ckfasdf-20241116095500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ckfasdf-20241116095500-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ckfasdf-20241116100000-Ckfasdf-20241116095500"></span>Note that according to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPORTCRIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPORTCRIT">WP:SPORTCRIT</a>; <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Local sources must be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INDEPENDENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INDEPENDENT">independent</a> of the subject, and <b>must provide reports beyond <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ROUTINE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ROUTINE">routine game coverage</a></b></q>. None of sources in the article and this AfD provide reports beyond routine coverage, such as information about the team itself. <a href="/wiki/User:Ckfasdf" title="User:Ckfasdf">Ckfasdf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ckfasdf" title="User talk:Ckfasdf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Ckfasdf-20241116100000-Ckfasdf-20241116095500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ckfasdf-20241116100000-Ckfasdf-20241116095500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241116100000","author":"Ckfasdf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ckfasdf-20241116100000-Ckfasdf-20241116095500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ckfasdf-20241116100000-Ckfasdf-20241116095500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Svartner-20241116164300-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span>Keep</b> – The sources presented are sufficient for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Svartner" title="User:Svartner">Svartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Svartner" title="User talk:Svartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Svartner-20241116164300-Demt1298-20241115163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Svartner-20241116164300-Demt1298-20241115163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241116164300","author":"Svartner","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Svartner-20241116164300-Demt1298-20241115163800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Svartner-20241116164300-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bernie_Clay_Bear-20241117010100-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span>Keep</b>: The sources appear to meet the required standard of notability and provide credible and sufficient evidence <a href="/wiki/User:Bernie_Clay_Bear" title="User:Bernie Clay Bear">Bernie Clay Bear</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bernie_Clay_Bear" title="User talk:Bernie Clay Bear">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Bernie_Clay_Bear-20241117010100-Demt1298-20241115163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bernie_Clay_Bear-20241117010100-Demt1298-20241115163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241117010100","author":"Bernie Clay Bear","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bernie_Clay_Bear-20241117010100-Demt1298-20241115163800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bernie_Clay_Bear-20241117010100-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aviationwikiflight-20241117101300-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span>Delete</b> – Per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPORTCRIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPORTCRIT">WP:SPORTCRIT</a>, "Local sources must be independent of the subject, and must provide reports beyond routine game coverage." None of the sources above or in general provide <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">significant coverage</a> of the club itself beyond routine game coverage. <a href="/wiki/User:Aviationwikiflight" title="User:Aviationwikiflight">Aviationwikiflight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aviationwikiflight" title="User talk:Aviationwikiflight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Aviationwikiflight-20241117101300-Demt1298-20241115163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aviationwikiflight-20241117101300-Demt1298-20241115163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241117101300","author":"Aviationwikiflight","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aviationwikiflight-20241117101300-Demt1298-20241115163800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aviationwikiflight-20241117101300-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;"><b><span style="font-size:91%;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kaizenify-20241122091500-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span>Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.</span></b></span><br/><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Kaizenify" title="User:Kaizenify">Kaizenify</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kaizenify" title="User talk:Kaizenify">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Kaizenify-20241122091500-Demt1298-20241115163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kaizenify-20241122091500-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kaizenify-20241122091500-Demt1298-20241115163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122091500","author":"Kaizenify","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kaizenify-20241122091500-Demt1298-20241115163800","replies":[]}}--></span></p></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alexandermcnabb-20241122092200-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span>Delete</b> Those sources are, indeed, routine game coverage - and they're the best of what's out there, TBH. Best <a href="/wiki/User:Alexandermcnabb" title="User:Alexandermcnabb">Alexandermcnabb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexandermcnabb" title="User talk:Alexandermcnabb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Alexandermcnabb-20241122092200-Demt1298-20241115163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alexandermcnabb-20241122092200-Demt1298-20241115163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122092200","author":"Alexandermcnabb","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Alexandermcnabb-20241122092200-Demt1298-20241115163800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alexandermcnabb-20241122092200-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DesiMoore-20241122193000-Demt1298-20241115163800"></span>Delete</b> per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPORTSCRIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPORTSCRIT">WP:SPORTSCRIT</a>. Only one of the sources cited in the article actually works, and it's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ROUTINE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ROUTINE">WP:ROUTINE</a>. Unfortunately, so are the other sources presented by <a href="/wiki/User:SportingFlyer" title="User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a>. There's not enough <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a> to support an article at this time.--<a href="/wiki/User:DesiMoore" title="User:DesiMoore">DesiMoore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DesiMoore" title="User talk:DesiMoore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-DesiMoore-20241122193000-Demt1298-20241115163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DesiMoore-20241122193000-Demt1298-20241115163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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talk:SportingFlyer">T</a></span></i>·<i><span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:bottom;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer" title="Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer">C</a></span></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-SportingFlyer-20241122222600-DesiMoore-20241122193000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SportingFlyer-20241122222600-DesiMoore-20241122193000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Ckfasdf-20241126102500-SportingFlyer-20241122222600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ckfasdf-20241126102500-SportingFlyer-20241122222600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126102500","author":"Ckfasdf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ckfasdf-20241126102500-SportingFlyer-20241122222600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ckfasdf-20241126102500-SportingFlyer-20241122222600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="List_of_horse_breeds_in_DAD-IS" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_horse_breeds_in_DAD-IS-Organizations_deletion-20241115082600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_horse_breeds_in_DAD-IS-Organizations_deletion-20241115082600"></span><a href="/wiki/List_of_horse_breeds_in_DAD-IS" title="List of horse breeds in DAD-IS">List of horse breeds in DAD-IS</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_horse_breeds_in_DAD-IS-Organizations_deletion-20241115082600"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_horse_breeds_in_DAD-IS&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: List of horse breeds in DAD-IS"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span id="List_of_horse_breeds_in_DAD-IS"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/List_of_horse_breeds_in_DAD-IS" title="List of horse breeds in DAD-IS"><span data-mw-comment-start="" 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22List+of+horse+breeds+in+DAD-IS%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22List+of+horse+breeds+in+DAD-IS%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Fails notability for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NLIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NLIST">standalone lists</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. This article is a table of entries drawn from a single online database, one which isn't a reliable source itself (see <a href="/wiki/Talk:DAD-IS#Evaluation_concludes_DAD-IS_is_generally_unreliable_for_horse_topics" title="Talk:DAD-IS">Talk:DAD-IS § Evaluation concludes DAD-IS is generally unreliable for horse topics</a>). Neither this article nor its associated article <a href="/wiki/DAD-IS" title="DAD-IS">DAD-IS</a> shows any sources which are independent of the subject, and certainly no significant coverage. All citations are published by FAO, the host of the database. Also fails under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTCATALOG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTCATALOG">WP:NOTCATALOG</a>. <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em"><a href="/wiki/User:Grorp" title="User:Grorp"><span style="color:#6a0dad"> ▶ I am Grorp ◀ </span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Grorp-20241115082600-List_of_horse_breeds_in_DAD-IS" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grorp-20241115082600-List_of_horse_breeds_in_DAD-IS"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115082600","author":"Grorp","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grorp-20241115082600-List_of_horse_breeds_in_DAD-IS","replies":["c-Grorp-20241115082600-Grorp-20241115082600","c-Wcquidditch-20241115174200-Grorp-20241115082600","c-4meter4-20241122032400-Grorp-20241115082600","c-Montanabw-20241122045400-Grorp-20241115082600","c-Liz-20241122083900-Grorp-20241115082600","c-Alexandermcnabb-20241122101000-Grorp-20241115082600","c-Justlettersandnumbers-20241123173100-Grorp-20241115082600","c-Grorp-20241123175000-Grorp-20241115082600"],"displayName":"\u25b6 I am Grorp \u25c0"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grorp-20241115082600-List_of_horse_breeds_in_DAD-IS"></span> </p> <ul><li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grorp-20241115082600-Grorp-20241115082600"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Animal" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Animal">Animal</a> and <a class="mw-selflink selflink">Organizations</a>. <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em"><a href="/wiki/User:Grorp" title="User:Grorp"><span style="color:#6a0dad"> ▶ I am Grorp ◀ </span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Grorp-20241115082600-Grorp-20241115082600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grorp-20241115082600-Grorp-20241115082600"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grorp-20241115082600-Grorp-20241115082600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115082600","author":"Grorp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Grorp-20241115082600-Grorp-20241115082600","replies":[],"displayName":"\u25b6 I am Grorp \u25c0"}}--></span></li> <li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wcquidditch-20241115174200-Grorp-20241115082600"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Lists" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Lists">list of Lists-related deletion discussions</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Wcquidditch" title="User:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">WC</span><i><span style="color:#999933">Quidditch</span></i></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wcquidditch" title="User talk:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">☎</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch" title="Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch"><span style="color:#999933">✎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Wcquidditch-20241115174200-Grorp-20241115082600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wcquidditch-20241115174200-Grorp-20241115082600"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wcquidditch-20241115174200-Grorp-20241115082600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115174200","author":"Wcquidditch","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wcquidditch-20241115174200-Grorp-20241115082600","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-4meter4-20241122032400-Grorp-20241115082600"></span>Keep</b>. There is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a> of the DAIDS system in google books; some of which are books on horses specifically (see my <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=%22+Domestic+Animal+Diversity+Information+System%22+%22horses%22&sca_esv=332c1457e26e21ac&hl=en&gl=us&udm=36&ei=svc_Z_qlCraqur8PpYSXmA0&ved=0ahUKEwj6xqmK_e6JAxU2le4BHSXCBdMQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=%22+Domestic+Animal+Diversity+Information+System%22+%22horses%22&gs_lp=Eg1nd3Mtd2l6LWJvb2tzIjgiIERvbWVzdGljIEFuaW1hbCBEaXZlcnNpdHkgSW5mb3JtYXRpb24gU3lzdGVtIiAiaG9yc2VzIki3GFCNAljsFnABeACQAQCYAdYFoAGALqoBBTUtOC4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIAoAIAmAMAiAYBkgcAoAeWCQ&sclient=gws-wiz-books">search results here</a>). While the entire list may not be discussed, the concept of the list is which is enough to satisfy <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NLIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NLIST">WP:NLIST</a>. The fact that a current DAIDS list necessitates linking to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARY">WP:PRIMARY</a> materials is not a bad thing.<a href="/wiki/User:4meter4" title="User:4meter4">4meter4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:4meter4" title="User talk:4meter4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-4meter4-20241122032400-Grorp-20241115082600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-4meter4-20241122032400-Grorp-20241115082600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122032400","author":"4meter4","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-4meter4-20241122032400-Grorp-20241115082600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-4meter4-20241122032400-Grorp-20241115082600"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Montanabw-20241122045400-Grorp-20241115082600"></span>Delete</b>: A list of things listed in the DAD-IS is, among other things, in constant need of review and updates. Further, the list merely states if a particular horse breed exists within a given nation, regardless of origin or suitability. For the United States, the list is particularly poor — a few years back it even confused slang terms, listing them as standardized breeds. While the DAD-IS itself may be useful to determine if a breed exists at all, particularly for rare breeds in the developing world, a detailed list here on WP is unneeded. <a href="/wiki/User:Montanabw" title="User:Montanabw"><span style="color: #006600;">Montanabw</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Montanabw" title="User talk:Montanabw">(talk)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Montanabw-20241122045400-Grorp-20241115082600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Montanabw-20241122045400-Grorp-20241115082600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122045400","author":"Montanabw","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Montanabw-20241122045400-Grorp-20241115082600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Montanabw-20241122045400-Grorp-20241115082600"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;"><b><span style="font-size:91%;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20241122083900-Grorp-20241115082600"></span>Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.</span></b></span><br/><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Liz-20241122083900-Grorp-20241115082600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20241122083900-Grorp-20241115082600"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20241122083900-Grorp-20241115082600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122083900","author":"Liz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Liz-20241122083900-Grorp-20241115082600","replies":[]}}--></span></p></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alexandermcnabb-20241122101000-Grorp-20241115082600"></span>Delete</b> a list of things listed in a list that's 'Generally unreliable' and not an RS? That's going to go down well, isn't it? Best <a href="/wiki/User:Alexandermcnabb" title="User:Alexandermcnabb">Alexandermcnabb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexandermcnabb" title="User talk:Alexandermcnabb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Alexandermcnabb-20241122101000-Grorp-20241115082600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alexandermcnabb-20241122101000-Grorp-20241115082600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122101000","author":"Alexandermcnabb","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Alexandermcnabb-20241122101000-Grorp-20241115082600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alexandermcnabb-20241122101000-Grorp-20241115082600"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justlettersandnumbers-20241123173100-Grorp-20241115082600"></span>Well, <b>do not delete</b>, obviously – it's comprehensively sourced and meets <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NLIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NLIST">WP:NLIST</a>. The <a href="/wiki/FAO" class="mw-redirect" title="FAO">FAO</a> is the single most significant world-level agency collecting and publishing data on all aspects of agriculture and agricultural resources, including animal and plant genetic resources, water, forestry and climate; its databases and publications are widely and frequently cited in academic publications. But even if it weren't, there's nothing to stop anyone from adding other sources to the list. A good one to start with might be this: Valerie Porter, Lawrence Alderson, Stephen J.G. Hall, D. Phillip Sponenberg (2016). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.it/books?id=2UEJDAAAQBAJ&hl=en"><i>Mason's World Encyclopedia of Livestock Breeds and Breeding</i></a> (sixth edition). Wallingford: CABI. <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/9781780647944" title="Special:BookSources/9781780647944">9781780647944</a> – in fact I'll go and add that in a moment. Did the nominator even actually do a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">WP:BEFORE</a> search for additional sources?</li></ul> <dl><dd>I created this page (as a very new user) in 2011 because I'd been <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/418564409" title="Special:Diff/418564409">told</a> that the <a href="/wiki/List_of_horse_breeds" title="List of horse breeds">List of horse breeds</a> could not contain red links, and wanted to see what horse breed articles were missing from the project. I note that there's no problem with red links in most of our other lists of livestock breeds (<i>e.g.</i>, <a href="/wiki/List_of_cattle_breeds" title="List of cattle breeds">cattle</a>, <a href="/wiki/List_of_chicken_breeds" title="List of chicken breeds">chickens</a>, <a href="/wiki/List_of_donkey_breeds" title="List of donkey breeds">donkeys</a>, <a href="/wiki/List_of_goat_breeds" title="List of goat breeds">goats</a>, <a href="/wiki/List_of_goose_breeds" title="List of goose breeds">geese</a>, <a href="/wiki/List_of_pig_breeds" title="List of pig breeds">pigs</a>, <a href="/wiki/List_of_sheep_breeds" title="List of sheep breeds">sheep</a>, <a href="/wiki/List_of_turkey_breeds" title="List of turkey breeds">turkeys</a>, <a href="/wiki/List_of_water_buffalo_breeds" title="List of water buffalo breeds">water buffalo</a> – but not <a href="/wiki/List_of_duck_breeds" title="List of duck breeds">ducks</a>). I agree that the page title is not optimal, and suggest one of two options to remedy that without losing the content: <ul><li>move it to <a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_horse_breeds_by_country&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="List of horse breeds by country (page does not exist)">List of horse breeds by country</a>; or, perhaps preferable but considerably more work:</li> <li>merge it with the <a href="/wiki/List_of_horse_breeds" title="List of horse breeds">List of horse breeds</a> (would you be happy with that, <a href="/wiki/User:Montanabw" title="User:Montanabw">Montanabw</a>?).</li></ul></dd> <dd>Either's fine with me. <a href="/wiki/User:Justlettersandnumbers" title="User:Justlettersandnumbers">Justlettersandnumbers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justlettersandnumbers" title="User talk:Justlettersandnumbers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Justlettersandnumbers-20241123173100-Grorp-20241115082600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justlettersandnumbers-20241123173100-Grorp-20241115082600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241123173100","author":"Justlettersandnumbers","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Justlettersandnumbers-20241123173100-Grorp-20241115082600","replies":["c-Grorp-20241123173800-Justlettersandnumbers-20241123173100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justlettersandnumbers-20241123173100-Grorp-20241115082600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grorp-20241123173800-Justlettersandnumbers-20241123173100"></span>Justlettersandnumbers: You are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTINHERITED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTINHERITED">arguing for another page</a>, but not this one. Nothing in <i>Mason's</i> contributes to <i>this</i> list-article's notability. If this list was simply a tool for your work, then it should be in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UP">your userspace</a>. <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em"><a href="/wiki/User:Grorp" title="User:Grorp"><span style="color:#6a0dad"> ▶ I am Grorp ◀ </span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Grorp-20241123173800-Justlettersandnumbers-20241123173100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grorp-20241123173800-Justlettersandnumbers-20241123173100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241123173800","author":"Grorp","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Grorp-20241123173800-Justlettersandnumbers-20241123173100","replies":[],"displayName":"\u25b6 I am Grorp \u25c0"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grorp-20241123173800-Justlettersandnumbers-20241123173100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grorp-20241123175000-Grorp-20241115082600"></span>Comment</b>: There has been some confusion. I am not arguing about the notability of the database, but that the <i>information contained within</i> the database is not a reliable source for much of anything because of the nature of its data collection and zero oversight of the database contents, making the database a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFPUB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SELFPUB">self-published source</a>. The database itself is notable; the data in it is not. Therefore making a <i>static copy</i> of the database contents (which is this list-article) is both presenting information as reliable (which it isn't) and is just a mirror of a database (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WWIN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WWIN">What Wikipedia is not</a>). If someone wants to get this information they can, and should, go directly to the database and get it themselves. <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em"><a href="/wiki/User:Grorp" title="User:Grorp"><span style="color:#6a0dad"> ▶ I am Grorp ◀ </span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Grorp-20241123175000-Grorp-20241115082600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grorp-20241123175000-Grorp-20241115082600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Illinois_Farm_Bureau&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Illinois_Farm_Bureau&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Illinois+Farm+Bureau">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Illinois_Farm_Bureau&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Illinois_Farm_Bureau" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Illinois Farm Bureau">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1257184218/cur" title="Special:Diff/1257184218/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Illinois+Farm+Bureau%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Illinois+Farm+Bureau%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Illinois+Farm+Bureau%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Illinois+Farm+Bureau%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Illinois+Farm+Bureau%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Illinois+Farm+Bureau%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Illinois+Farm+Bureau%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Illinois+Farm+Bureau%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">WP:BEFORE</a> reveals no ostensible <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORG">notability</a>. Article is almost exclusively unsourced and written by the organization themselves (user 'Ilfb1916' clearly violates <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ISU" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ISU">WP:ISU</a> and implies this is the subject itself), being functionally a billboard instead of a resource with any encyclopedic merit. IP editor who removed PROD did so under the justification of "Useful links and relevance due to member and partner organizations", but this is complete nonsense as it pertains to notability. <b><a href="/wiki/User:TheTechnician27" title="User:TheTechnician27"><span style="color: #00a9ff"><i>TheTechnician27</i></span></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheTechnician27" title="User talk:TheTechnician27"><span style="color: blue">(Talk page)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-TheTechnician27-20241113230600-Illinois_Farm_Bureau" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheTechnician27-20241113230600-Illinois_Farm_Bureau"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241113230600","author":"TheTechnician27","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TheTechnician27-20241113230600-Illinois_Farm_Bureau","replies":["c-Spiderone-20241113231400-TheTechnician27-20241113230600","c-Dclemens1971-20241114003200-TheTechnician27-20241113230600","c-4meter4-20241114055000-TheTechnician27-20241113230600","c-Crisco_1492-20241121020500-TheTechnician27-20241113230600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheTechnician27-20241113230600-Illinois_Farm_Bureau"></span> </p> <ul><li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spiderone-20241113231400-TheTechnician27-20241113230600"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a class="mw-selflink selflink">Organizations</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Illinois" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Illinois">Illinois</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Spiderone" title="User:Spiderone"><span style="color: #996600">Spiderone</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spiderone" title="User talk:Spiderone"><span style="color:brown">(Talk to Spider)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Spiderone-20241113231400-TheTechnician27-20241113230600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spiderone-20241113231400-TheTechnician27-20241113230600"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spiderone-20241113231400-TheTechnician27-20241113230600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241113231400","author":"Spiderone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Spiderone-20241113231400-TheTechnician27-20241113230600","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dclemens1971-20241114003200-TheTechnician27-20241113230600"></span>Well, this is an interesting kettle of fish. On the one hand, we would presumably have a clear example of what <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRANCH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRANCH">WP:BRANCH</a> was intended for; failing to find sources outside of the branch unit's area of operation, we would redirect to the parent organization. On the other hand, <i>on this very day</i> the American Farm Bureau Federation <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.wglt.org/local-news/2024-11-13/illinois-farm-bureau-expelled-from-national-federation">kicked the Illinois Farm Bureau</a> out of the federation over a membership/business dispute, and as of December the state bureau will not have a parent organization, litigation and backroom dealing pending. I don't see any <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a> of the organization in non-<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TRADES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TRADES">WP:TRADES</a> publications separate from this dispute, and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://news.google.com/stories/CAAqNggKIjBDQklTSGpvSmMzUnZjbmt0TXpZd1NoRUtEd2pfaF92WURCR014MVpaSGx1Y25DZ0FQAQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen">that coverage is all in agricultural trade publications and local news outlets in small Illinois markets</a>. In the absence of an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NORG">WP:NORG</a> pass and without an appropriate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRANCH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRANCH">WP:BRANCH</a> redirect target, I'd have to !vote <b>delete</b>. Open to an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">WP:IAR</a> redirect to <a href="/wiki/American_Farm_Bureau_Federation" title="American Farm Bureau Federation">American Farm Bureau Federation</a> too. <a href="/wiki/User:Dclemens1971" title="User:Dclemens1971">Dclemens1971</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dclemens1971" title="User talk:Dclemens1971">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Dclemens1971-20241114003200-TheTechnician27-20241113230600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dclemens1971-20241114003200-TheTechnician27-20241113230600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114003200","author":"Dclemens1971","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dclemens1971-20241114003200-TheTechnician27-20241113230600","replies":["c-TheTechnician27-20241114025300-Dclemens1971-20241114003200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dclemens1971-20241114003200-TheTechnician27-20241113230600"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheTechnician27-20241114025300-Dclemens1971-20241114003200"></span>Comment</b> – Uh... <i>Wow</i>. I was not expecting this to take that direction. The WP:BEFORE I'd done for this organization was two days ago, so this wasn't even on my radar when I nominated it. <b><a href="/wiki/User:TheTechnician27" title="User:TheTechnician27"><span style="color: #00a9ff"><i>TheTechnician27</i></span></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheTechnician27" title="User talk:TheTechnician27"><span style="color: blue">(Talk page)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-TheTechnician27-20241114025300-Dclemens1971-20241114003200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:53, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheTechnician27-20241114025300-Dclemens1971-20241114003200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114025300","author":"TheTechnician27","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TheTechnician27-20241114025300-Dclemens1971-20241114003200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheTechnician27-20241114025300-Dclemens1971-20241114003200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-4meter4-20241114055000-TheTechnician27-20241113230600"></span>Keep</b>. According to the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.wglt.org/local-news/2024-11-13/illinois-farm-bureau-expelled-from-national-federation">NPR story given already above</a> the IFB is the largest insurer of farms in the state of Illinois. It's a significant company with a lengthy history. There is significant coverage in the following including a book about the company:</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>Nancy K. Berlage. "Organizing the Farm Bureau: Family, Community, and Professionals, 1914-1928" <i>Agricultural History</i>, Vol. 75, No. 4 (Autumn, 2001), pp. 406-437 (32 pages) <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/3745183">https://www.jstor.org/stable/3745183</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Farmers_Helping_Farmers/VICkDAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0">Farmers Helping Farmers: The Rise of the Farm and Home Bureaus, 1914-1935</a> (2016, <a href="/wiki/Louisiana_State_University_Press" title="Louisiana State University Press">Louisiana State University Press</a>)</li> <li>Dan Leifel and Norma Haney. <i>The Diamond Harvest: A History of the Illinois Farm Bureau</i> (Bloomington: Illinois Agricultural Association, 1990).</li> <li>Cynthia Clampitt. <i>Mid- west Maize: How Corn Shaped the U.S. Heartland</i> (Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 2015).</li> <li>Additionally JSTOR has 240 hits when searching on the "Illinois Farm Bureau" and there are more than 9,000 hits in PROQUEST with lots of SIGCOV news coverage across many decades. Sourcing and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORGCRIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORGCRIT">WP:ORGCRIT</a> is not an issue here. Best.<a href="/wiki/User:4meter4" title="User:4meter4">4meter4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:4meter4" title="User talk:4meter4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-4meter4-20241114055000-TheTechnician27-20241113230600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-4meter4-20241114055000-TheTechnician27-20241113230600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114055000","author":"4meter4","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-4meter4-20241114055000-TheTechnician27-20241113230600","replies":["c-Dclemens1971-20241114151800-4meter4-20241114055000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-4meter4-20241114055000-TheTechnician27-20241113230600"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dclemens1971-20241114151800-4meter4-20241114055000"></span>Some thoughts on these sources: <ul><li>The first two (the <i>Agricultural History</i> article and the LSU Press book) are both by the same author, Nancy Berlage. Collectively these would count as one source (since they are not intellectually independent of each other).</li> <li>Dan Leifel and Norma Maney both worked for the Illinois Farm Bureau for decades, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://ilfb.netrixlab.com/history/index.html">Leifel as general counsel and Maney as an executive assistant</a>. Their history of the IFB cannot be considered an independent source.</li> <li>Can you point to what in the Clampitt book refers to the Illinois Farm Bureau? I can't access the text but the snippets available via Google Books indicate it's only index mentions, not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a>. Would be happy to be proven wrong if you can share how Clampitt discusses the subject. (If it was pulled from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5406/jillistathistsoc.111.1-2.0120">this Illinois historiography article</a>, it's clear the author is talking about the Maney and Leifel book, not saying Clampitt covered the IFB in her book: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Agriculture remains a critical part of the Illinois economy. A recent centennial history of the Illinois Farm Bureau offers a broad look at state agriculture including the post World War II period. Cynthia Clampitt wrote a history of midwestern corn production that includes work on Illinois.</q>)</li> <li>The "NPR" story I linked above is actually a local radio story from an NPR affiliate and doesn't pass the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUD">WP:AUD</a> test.</li> <li>I paged through many of the JSTOR listings and didn't find any additional <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a>. Apart from the Berlage article above, they all appear to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TRIVIALMENTIONS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TRIVIALMENTIONS">WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS</a>.</li></ul></dd> <dd>Based on this analysis, I see only one <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIRS">WP:SIRS</a> source to pass <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NORG">WP:NORG</a>. Open to reviewing more if you can supply additional examples. <a href="/wiki/User:Dclemens1971" title="User:Dclemens1971">Dclemens1971</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dclemens1971" title="User talk:Dclemens1971">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Dclemens1971-20241114151800-4meter4-20241114055000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dclemens1971-20241114151800-4meter4-20241114055000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114151800","author":"Dclemens1971","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dclemens1971-20241114151800-4meter4-20241114055000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dclemens1971-20241114151800-4meter4-20241114055000"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;"><b><span style="font-size:91%;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241121020500-TheTechnician27-20241113230600"></span>Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.</span></b></span><br/><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Crisco_1492-20241121020500-TheTechnician27-20241113230600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241121020500-TheTechnician27-20241113230600"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241121020500-TheTechnician27-20241113230600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121020500","author":"Crisco 1492","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Crisco_1492-20241121020500-TheTechnician27-20241113230600","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris Woodrich"}}--></span></p></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Asociación_Civil" data-mw-thread-id="h-Asociación_Civil-Organizations_deletion-20241109161000"><span id="Asociaci.C3.B3n_Civil"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Asociación_Civil-Organizations_deletion-20241109161000"></span><a href="/wiki/Asociaci%C3%B3n_Civil" title="Asociación Civil">Asociación Civil</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Asociación_Civil-Organizations_deletion-20241109161000"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Asociaci%C3%B3n_Civil&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Asociación Civil"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span id="Asociación_Civil"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Asociaci%C3%B3n_Civil" title="Asociación Civil"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bearcat-20241109161000-Asociación_Civil"></span>Asociación Civil</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Asociaci%C3%B3n_Civil" title="Special:EditPage/Asociación Civil">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Asociaci%C3%B3n_Civil" title="Talk:Asociación Civil">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Asociaci%C3%B3n_Civil" title="Special:PageHistory/Asociación Civil">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Asociaci%C3%B3n_Civil" title="Special:ProtectPage/Asociación Civil">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Asociaci%C3%B3n_Civil" title="Special:DeletePage/Asociación Civil">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Asociaci%C3%B3n_Civil&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" 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href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Asociaci%C3%B3n+Civil%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Asociaci%C3%B3n+Civil%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Asociaci%C3%B3n+Civil%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Asociaci%C3%B3n+Civil%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Asociaci%C3%B3n+Civil%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Asociaci%C3%B3n+Civil%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Article of unclear utility. As written, it consists of a single sentence stating that the title is just the Spanish-language translation of another term that we have a much longer article about, so it's essentially functioning as a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DICDEF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DICDEF">dictionary definition</a>. Since I don't speak Spanish, I suppose it might be possible that there's some nuance missing here -- is an "asociación civil" a particular <i>kind</i> of non-profit organization that does a very particular thing, while other non-profit organizations might also exist that <i>aren't</i> asociacións civil, so that there's a <i>distinction</i> not being properly communicated here? -- but if that's the case then the article would need to <i>explain</i> and <i>contextualize</i> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliably source</a> that distinction, and if asociación civil really is just a straight <i>synonym</i> for <i>all</i> non-profit organizations then we just don't need this to be a separate article at all.<br/>In actual practice, all this really does in its current form is attract spam-like attempts to use it as a <i>directory</i> listing of the Wikipedia articles about (or offsite weblinks of) individual organizations, which is not what Wikipedia is for and has been stripped.<br/>I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with more knowledge of hispanophone cultures than I've got can expand the article with content showing that there's a substantive distinction in meaning between "asociación civil" and "non-profit organization", but we don't need it at all if it's really just a straight-up dicdef of a straight-up translation. <a href="/wiki/User:Bearcat" title="User:Bearcat">Bearcat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bearcat" title="User talk:Bearcat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Bearcat-20241109161000-Asociación_Civil" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bearcat-20241109161000-Asociación_Civil"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241109161000","author":"Bearcat","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bearcat-20241109161000-Asociaci\u00f3n_Civil","replies":["c-Bearcat-20241109161000-Bearcat-20241109161000","c-Dclemens1971-20241116042900-Bearcat-20241109161000","c-4meter4-20241116180900-Bearcat-20241109161000","c-Liz-20241116204000-Bearcat-20241109161000","c-Liz-20241123195600-Bearcat-20241109161000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bearcat-20241109161000-Asociación_Civil"></span> </p> <ul><li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bearcat-20241109161000-Bearcat-20241109161000"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">list of Organizations-related deletion discussions</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Bearcat" title="User:Bearcat">Bearcat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bearcat" title="User talk:Bearcat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Bearcat-20241109161000-Bearcat-20241109161000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bearcat-20241109161000-Bearcat-20241109161000"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bearcat-20241109161000-Bearcat-20241109161000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241109161000","author":"Bearcat","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bearcat-20241109161000-Bearcat-20241109161000","replies":[]}}--></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dclemens1971-20241116042900-Bearcat-20241109161000"></span>The <a class="external text" href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asociaci%C3%B3n_civil">es-wiki version</a> is longer but it does not appear to be a specific legal form unique in the law or culture of Spanish-speaking countries but rather a generic local term for a not-for-profit association. I think a <b>redirect</b> is appropriate, probably to <a href="/wiki/Voluntary_association" title="Voluntary association">Voluntary association</a> but perhaps to <a href="/wiki/Nonprofit_organization" title="Nonprofit organization">Nonprofit organization</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Dclemens1971" title="User:Dclemens1971">Dclemens1971</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dclemens1971" title="User talk:Dclemens1971">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Dclemens1971-20241116042900-Bearcat-20241109161000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:29, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dclemens1971-20241116042900-Bearcat-20241109161000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241116042900","author":"Dclemens1971","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dclemens1971-20241116042900-Bearcat-20241109161000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dclemens1971-20241116042900-Bearcat-20241109161000"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-4meter4-20241116180900-Bearcat-20241109161000"></span>Maybe keep</b>. In reading the source there are different kinds of <a href="/wiki/Non-profit" class="mw-redirect" title="Non-profit">non-profit</a> licensing/designations in Spanish speaking countries under Spanish law. This is one of those. Arguably we could redirect and <b>merge</b> this with <a href="/wiki/Non-profit" class="mw-redirect" title="Non-profit">non-profit</a>. Either way, this is a legal term for certain types of companies that is unique to Spanish-speaking countries which would seem encyclopedic.<a href="/wiki/User:4meter4" title="User:4meter4">4meter4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:4meter4" title="User talk:4meter4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-4meter4-20241116180900-Bearcat-20241109161000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:09, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-4meter4-20241116180900-Bearcat-20241109161000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241116180900","author":"4meter4","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-4meter4-20241116180900-Bearcat-20241109161000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-4meter4-20241116180900-Bearcat-20241109161000"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;"><b><span style="font-size:91%;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20241116204000-Bearcat-20241109161000"></span>Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.</span></b></span><br/><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Liz-20241116204000-Bearcat-20241109161000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20241116204000-Bearcat-20241109161000"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20241116204000-Bearcat-20241109161000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241116204000","author":"Liz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Liz-20241116204000-Bearcat-20241109161000","replies":[]}}--></span></p></dd> <dd><p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;"><b><span style="font-size:91%;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20241123195600-Bearcat-20241109161000"></span>Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.</span></b></span><br/><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Liz-20241123195600-Bearcat-20241109161000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20241123195600-Bearcat-20241109161000"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20241123195600-Bearcat-20241109161000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Euro-Mediterranean Center on Climate Change"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span id="Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change" title="Euro-Mediterranean Center on Climate Change"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CFA-20241106203000-Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change"></span>Euro-Mediterranean Center on Climate Change</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change" title="Special:EditPage/Euro-Mediterranean Center on Climate Change">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change" title="Talk:Euro-Mediterranean Center on Climate Change">talk</a> | <a 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text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span> – (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Euro-Mediterranean Center on Climate Change">View AfD</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1255815445/cur" title="Special:Diff/1255815445/cur">edits since nomination</a>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Euro-Mediterranean+Center+on+Climate+Change%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Euro-Mediterranean+Center+on+Climate+Change%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Euro-Mediterranean+Center+on+Climate+Change%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> 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href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Euro-Mediterranean+Center+on+Climate+Change%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Euro-Mediterranean+Center+on+Climate+Change%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>Fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCORP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCORP">WP:NCORP</a>. No in-depth significant coverage of the organization. <span style="white-space:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:CFA" title="User:CFA"><span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style="color:#00c">C</span> <span style="color:red">F</span> <span style="color:#5ac18e">A</span></span></a> <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CFA" title="User talk:CFA">💬</a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-CFA-20241106203000-Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CFA-20241106203000-Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106203000","author":"CFA","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CFA-20241106203000-Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change","replies":["c-CFA-20241106203000-CFA-20241106203000","c-Buonocoremauro-20241108100500-CFA-20241106203000"],"displayName":"C F A"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CFA-20241106203000-Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change"></span> </p> <ul><li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CFA-20241106203000-CFA-20241106203000"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a class="mw-selflink selflink">Organizations</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Environment" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Environment">Environment</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Italy" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Italy">Italy</a>. <span style="white-space:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:CFA" title="User:CFA"><span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style="color:#00c">C</span> <span style="color:red">F</span> <span style="color:#5ac18e">A</span></span></a> <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CFA" title="User talk:CFA">💬</a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-CFA-20241106203000-CFA-20241106203000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CFA-20241106203000-CFA-20241106203000"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CFA-20241106203000-CFA-20241106203000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106203000","author":"CFA","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CFA-20241106203000-CFA-20241106203000","replies":[],"displayName":"C F A"}}--></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Buonocoremauro-20241108100500-CFA-20241106203000"></span>Hi, I am the head communication office at the Euro-Mediterranean Center on Climate Change (CMCC). The Center is an international research center that collaborates in many international projects and initiatives, such as</dd> <dd>-- the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.ipcc.ch/">Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change</a> that have selected us as the Focal point for Italy</dd> <dd>-- the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.eea.europa.eu/en">European Environment Agency</a> for which we coordinate the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.eionet.europa.eu/etcs/etc-ca">European Topic Centre on Climate Change Aaptation and LULUCF (ETC CA)</a></dd> <dd>-- we provide climate predictions and forecasts for Copernicus Climate Services and for Copernicus Marine Service</dd> <dd>-- we have research collaborations with leading research centers around the world, the latest one is with <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://environment.princeton.edu/news/hmei-and-cmcc-announce-partnership/">Princeton University High Meadows Environmental Institute</a></dd> <dd>We will add this information, other international relevant activities, and related sources to the page. I hope this is enough to maintain the article on Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Buonocoremauro" title="User:Buonocoremauro">Buonocoremauro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Buonocoremauro" title="User talk:Buonocoremauro">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Buonocoremauro-20241108100500-CFA-20241106203000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Buonocoremauro-20241108100500-CFA-20241106203000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241108100500","author":"Buonocoremauro","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Buonocoremauro-20241108100500-CFA-20241106203000","replies":["c-Chidgk1-20241111172400-Buonocoremauro-20241108100500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Buonocoremauro-20241108100500-CFA-20241106203000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chidgk1-20241111172400-Buonocoremauro-20241108100500"></span>Hello @<a href="/wiki/User:Buonocoremauro" title="User:Buonocoremauro">Buonocoremauro</a>. Thanks for that info. Please take a look at the message to you and <a href="/wiki/User:Manusantagata79" title="User:Manusantagata79">User:Manusantagata79</a> I am about to leave on the talk page of the article about some guidelines English Wikipedia has about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest" title="Wikipedia:Conflict of interest">Wikipedia:Conflict of interest</a> which might seem strange to academics or might be different on Italian Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Chidgk1" title="User:Chidgk1">Chidgk1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chidgk1" title="User talk:Chidgk1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Chidgk1-20241111172400-Buonocoremauro-20241108100500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chidgk1-20241111172400-Buonocoremauro-20241108100500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111172400","author":"Chidgk1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Chidgk1-20241111172400-Buonocoremauro-20241108100500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chidgk1-20241111172400-Buonocoremauro-20241108100500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chidgk1-20241111072700-Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change"></span>UTC) </p> <ul><li><b>Keep</b> Although I would not be able to cite all the content I have added a couple of cites and should be able to find more if needed to show notability <a href="/wiki/User:Chidgk1" title="User:Chidgk1">Chidgk1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chidgk1" title="User talk:Chidgk1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Chidgk1-20241111072700-Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:27, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chidgk1-20241111072700-Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111072700","author":"Chidgk1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chidgk1-20241111072700-Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change","replies":["c-CFA-20241111152700-Chidgk1-20241111072700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chidgk1-20241111072700-Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CFA-20241111152700-Chidgk1-20241111072700"></span>None of the sources you added help with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCORP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCORP">WP:NCORP</a> notability. <span style="white-space:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:CFA" title="User:CFA"><span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style="color:#00c">C</span> <span style="color:red">F</span> <span style="color:#5ac18e">A</span></span></a> <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CFA" title="User talk:CFA">💬</a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-CFA-20241111152700-Chidgk1-20241111072700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CFA-20241111152700-Chidgk1-20241111072700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111152700","author":"CFA","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-CFA-20241111152700-Chidgk1-20241111072700","replies":["c-Chidgk1-20241111160400-CFA-20241111152700"],"displayName":"C F A"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CFA-20241111152700-Chidgk1-20241111072700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chidgk1-20241111160400-CFA-20241111152700"></span>OK I have now added <sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></dd> <dd>I don’t speak Italian but hopefully someone from the Italy project can take a look <a href="/wiki/User:Chidgk1" title="User:Chidgk1">Chidgk1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chidgk1" title="User talk:Chidgk1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-Chidgk1-20241111160400-CFA-20241111152700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chidgk1-20241111160400-CFA-20241111152700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111160400","author":"Chidgk1","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Chidgk1-20241111160400-CFA-20241111152700","replies":["c-CFA-20241111160600-Chidgk1-20241111160400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chidgk1-20241111160400-CFA-20241111152700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CFA-20241111160600-Chidgk1-20241111160400"></span>Looks good to me, but that's one source. We'll need more than one to show notability. <span style="white-space:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:CFA" title="User:CFA"><span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style="color:#00c">C</span> <span style="color:red">F</span> <span style="color:#5ac18e">A</span></span></a> <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CFA" title="User talk:CFA">💬</a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-CFA-20241111160600-Chidgk1-20241111160400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CFA-20241111160600-Chidgk1-20241111160400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111160600","author":"CFA","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-CFA-20241111160600-Chidgk1-20241111160400","replies":[],"displayName":"C F A"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CFA-20241111160600-Chidgk1-20241111160400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-4meter4-20241113172200-Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1232521257">.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk{margin:auto 0;border:1px dashed var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:4px;padding-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk-title{font-weight:bold}</style><div class="reflist-talk"> <p class="reflist-talk-title">References</p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite class="citation web cs1 cs1-prop-foreign-lang-source"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.repubblica.it/tecnologia/2023/05/06/news/cmcc_climatologia_album_it_lecce-398461656/">"Il meglio della scienza del clima è al Cmcc"</a>. <i>la Repubblica</i> (in Italian). 2023-05-06<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2024-11-11</span></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=la+Repubblica&rft.atitle=Il+meglio+della+scienza+del+clima+%C3%A8+al+Cmcc&rft.date=2023-05-06&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.repubblica.it%2Ftecnologia%2F2023%2F05%2F06%2Fnews%2Fcmcc_climatologia_album_it_lecce-398461656%2F&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Deletion+sorting%2FOrganizations" class="Z3988"></span></span> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <ul><li><b>Weak keep</b> I’m seeing a large number of climate science books and journal articles citing data/research generated by the CMCC internationally in examining EBSCOE, JSTOR, google books etc. There a lot of passing mentions of the organization in that kind of literature. While technically not enough to meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCORP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCORP">WP:NCORP</a> this is a case where I think the topic is encyclopedic based on its broad scholarly impact along the reasoning at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NACADEMIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NACADEMIC">WP:NACADEMIC</a>. Lastly, it’s possible there are foreign language sources not easily found in searching in English as this organization does research globally. I grant you that this is not the strongest argument, but international scope is covered in our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SNG">WP:SNG</a> at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NONPROFIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NONPROFIT">WP:NONPROFIT</a>. I'm not really seeing any benefit in deleting an article on a government funded/founded climate research organization attached to multiple Italian universities.<a href="/wiki/User:4meter4" title="User:4meter4">4meter4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:4meter4" title="User talk:4meter4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-4meter4-20241113172200-Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-4meter4-20241113172200-Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241113172200","author":"4meter4","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-4meter4-20241113172200-Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change","replies":["c-CFA-20241114001100-4meter4-20241113172200","c-Asilvering-20241113205500-4meter4-20241113172200","c-Crisco_1492-20241121020700-4meter4-20241113172200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-4meter4-20241113172200-Euro-Mediterranean_Center_on_Climate_Change"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NONPROFIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NONPROFIT"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CFA-20241114001100-4meter4-20241113172200"></span>WP:NONPROFIT</a> says <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Organizations are usually notable if</q> ... <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">The scope of their activities is national or international in scale.</q> <i>and</i> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">The organization has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the organization.</q>, but if this is an IAR keep I'm not going to debate it. <span style="white-space:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:CFA" title="User:CFA"><span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style="color:#00c">C</span> <span style="color:red">F</span> <span style="color:#5ac18e">A</span></span></a> <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CFA" title="User talk:CFA">💬</a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Organizations#c-CFA-20241114001100-4meter4-20241113172200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CFA-20241114001100-4meter4-20241113172200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114001100","author":"CFA","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-CFA-20241114001100-4meter4-20241113172200","replies":[],"displayName":"C F A"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CFA-20241114001100-4meter4-20241113172200"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;"><b><span style="font-size:91%;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241113205500-4meter4-20241113172200"></span>Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.</span></b></span><br/><small>Please add new comments below this notice. 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