The Catch

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</div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-6-cod-almighty" data-scroll-href="part-6-cod-almighty"> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h3 class="hed"> Episode 7: Part 6: Cod Almighty </h3> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> What can the Arctic region tell us about fishery conflicts in the future? </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=bonus-episode-preventing-fisheries-conflict-around-the-world" data-scroll-href="bonus-episode-preventing-fisheries-conflict-around-the-world"> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h3 class="hed"> Episode 8: Bonus Episode: Preventing Fisheries Conflict Around the World </h3> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> Foreign Policy teamed up with the Walton Family Foundation for a live podcast taping at COP28. </div> </a> </div> <h2 class="season-heading">Season 2</h2> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=coming-soon-season-2-of-the-catch" data-scroll-href="coming-soon-season-2-of-the-catch"> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h3 class="hed"> Episode 1: Coming Soon: Season 2 of The Catch </h3> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> Season 2 of The Catch launches on March 21. </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-1-the-aquarium-of-the-world" data-scroll-href="part-1-the-aquarium-of-the-world"> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h3 class="hed"> Episode 2: Part 1: The Aquarium of the World </h3> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> An ecological wonder is under threat due to illegal gillnet fishing. </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-2-a-complex-web" data-scroll-href="part-2-a-complex-web"> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h3 class="hed"> Episode 3: Part 2: A Complex Web </h3> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> Learn how demand for totoaba and blue shrimp led to a dire situation for the vaquita porpoise. </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-3-the-embargo" data-scroll-href="part-3-the-embargo"> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h3 class="hed"> Episode 4: Part 3: The Embargo </h3> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> Hear about efforts to cut down on gillnets in the Upper Gulf and save the vaquita. </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-4-the-cartel-of-the-sea" data-scroll-href="part-4-the-cartel-of-the-sea"> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h3 class="hed"> Episode 5: Part 4: The Cartel of the Sea </h3> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> And how the weak response from the Mexican government is impacting local fishers. </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-5-pressure-points" data-scroll-href="part-5-pressure-points"> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h3 class="hed"> Episode 6: Part 5: Pressure Points </h3> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> Learn what importers and consumers can do to improve sustainability. </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-6-the-future" data-scroll-href="part-6-the-future"> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h3 class="hed"> Episode 7: Part 6: The Future </h3> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> How fishers are working toward more sustainable practices. </div> </a> </div> <h2 class="season-heading">Season 1</h2> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-1-out-to-sea" data-scroll-href="part-1-out-to-sea"> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h3 class="hed"> Episode 1: Part 1: Out to Sea </h3> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> The race to catch squid off the coast of Peru is increasingly pitting local artisanal fishers against huge multinational fleets. </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-2-pota-in-paita" data-scroll-href="part-2-pota-in-paita"> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h3 class="hed"> Episode 2: Part 2: Pota in Paita </h3> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> From local markets to a processing plant, our team heads to one of the most important squid fisheries in the world: Paita, Peru. </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-3-whos-in-charge" data-scroll-href="part-3-whos-in-charge"> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h3 class="hed"> Episode 3: Part 3: Who’s in Charge? </h3> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> Tracing the journey of squid—a $500 million industry in Peru—hundreds of miles from home isn’t as simple as it seems. </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-4-the-high-seas" data-scroll-href="part-4-the-high-seas"> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h3 class="hed"> Episode 4: Part 4: The High Seas </h3> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> What’s being done to curb illegal, unregulated, and unreported fishing. </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-5-game-changing-diplomacy" data-scroll-href="part-5-game-changing-diplomacy"> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h3 class="hed"> Episode 5: Part 5: Game-Changing Diplomacy </h3> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> The diplomats who are working to protect our oceans. </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-6-the-fate-of-fishing" data-scroll-href="part-6-the-fate-of-fishing"> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h3 class="hed"> Episode 6: Part 6: The Fate of Fishing </h3> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> How consumers should think about their seafood. </div> </a> </div> </div> <div class="podcast-subscribe-section"> <figure class="figure-image -nocaption"> <span style="padding-bottom:66.727272727273%; " class="image-attachment -ratioscale"> <img width="550" height="367" alt="the-catch-logo-with-net-site-3-2" class="image -fit" src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/the-catch-logo-with-net-site-3-2.jpg?w=550?quality=90" srcset="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/the-catch-logo-with-net-site-3-2.jpg?quality=90 1500w, https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/the-catch-logo-with-net-site-3-2.jpg?resize=150,100&quality=90 150w, https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/the-catch-logo-with-net-site-3-2.jpg?resize=550,367&quality=90 550w, https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/the-catch-logo-with-net-site-3-2.jpg?resize=768,512&quality=90 768w, https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/the-catch-logo-with-net-site-3-2.jpg?resize=400,267&quality=90 400w, https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/the-catch-logo-with-net-site-3-2.jpg?resize=1000,667&quality=90 1000w, https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/the-catch-logo-with-net-site-3-2.jpg?resize=325,217&quality=90 325w" sizes="(max-width: 550px) 100vw, 550px" loading="lazy" > </span> <figcaption style="height:0;opacity:0;">the-catch-logo-with-net-site-3-2</figcaption> </figure> <div class="podcast-description"> <p>Coming up on Season 4 of The Catch, how fishing communities around the world are facing major global and environmental shifts—and are working to adapt. Follow and listen to The Catch wherever you get your podcasts.</p> <p><a href="/podcasts">More FP Podcasts</a></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <a href="#" class="podcast-close-nav sr-only" role="button">Close list of podcast episodes</a> </nav> </div> </div> <div id="main" class="article"> <div class="podcasts-content post-content no-border--all" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="yes" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="podcast-series-header-landing"> <div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <h1 class="sr-only">The Catch podcast</h1> <div class="series-logo-small"> <figure class="figure-image -nocaption"> <span style="padding-bottom:100%; " class="image-attachment -ratioscale"> <img width="550" height="550" alt="The Catch podcast" class="image -fit" src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/The-Catch-podcast-logo-Foreign-Policy-WFF-1000x1000-1.jpg?w=550?quality=90" srcset="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/The-Catch-podcast-logo-Foreign-Policy-WFF-1000x1000-1.jpg?quality=90 1000w, https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/The-Catch-podcast-logo-Foreign-Policy-WFF-1000x1000-1.jpg?resize=150,150&quality=90 150w, https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/The-Catch-podcast-logo-Foreign-Policy-WFF-1000x1000-1.jpg?resize=550,550&quality=90 550w, https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/The-Catch-podcast-logo-Foreign-Policy-WFF-1000x1000-1.jpg?resize=768,768&quality=90 768w, https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/The-Catch-podcast-logo-Foreign-Policy-WFF-1000x1000-1.jpg?resize=400,400&quality=90 400w, https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/The-Catch-podcast-logo-Foreign-Policy-WFF-1000x1000-1.jpg?resize=325,325&quality=90 325w" sizes="(max-width: 550px) 100vw, 550px" loading="lazy" > </span> <figcaption style="height:0;opacity:0;">The Catch podcast</figcaption> </figure> </div> <p>Coming up on Season 4 of The Catch, how fishing communities around the world are facing major global and environmental shifts—and are working to adapt. Follow and listen to The Catch wherever you get your podcasts.</p> <div data-fp-lazy-load-image></div> <div class="podcasts-hosts"> <div class="blog-list-layout"> <div class="excerpt-content--list content-block"> <figure class="figure-image -nocaption"> <span style="padding-bottom:100%; " class="image-attachment -ratioscale"> <img width="913" height="913" alt="Ruxandra Guidi headshot" class="image -fit" src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/ruxandra-guidi-host-catch-podcast-foreign-policy.jpg?w=913?quality=90" srcset="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/ruxandra-guidi-host-catch-podcast-foreign-policy.jpg?quality=90 913w, https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/ruxandra-guidi-host-catch-podcast-foreign-policy.jpg?resize=150,150&quality=90 150w, https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/ruxandra-guidi-host-catch-podcast-foreign-policy.jpg?resize=550,550&quality=90 550w, https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/ruxandra-guidi-host-catch-podcast-foreign-policy.jpg?resize=768,768&quality=90 768w, https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/ruxandra-guidi-host-catch-podcast-foreign-policy.jpg?resize=400,400&quality=90 400w, https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/ruxandra-guidi-host-catch-podcast-foreign-policy.jpg?resize=325,325&quality=90 325w" sizes="(max-width: 913px) 100vw, 913px" loading="lazy" > </span> <figcaption style="height:0;opacity:0;">Ruxandra Guidi headshot</figcaption> </figure> <div class="list-text"> <p><strong>About the host:</strong> Ruxandra Guidi has been telling nonfiction and news stories for more than two decades. Her reporting for public radio, magazines, and various multimedia and multidisciplinary outlets has taken her throughout the United States, the Caribbean, South and Central America, as well as Mexico and the U.S.-Mexico border region. She’s a native of Venezuela.</p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div id="scroll-top"></div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content" id="season-4"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <h2 class="season-heading">Season 4</h2> <div class="podcasts-more-episodes"> <div class="grid--container"> <div class="grid--flex grid--flow grid__third"> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=season-4-of-the-catch-coming-soon" data-scroll-href="season-4-of-the-catch-coming-soon"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 1</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Season 4 of The Catch Coming Soon </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> How fishing communities around the world are facing major global and environmental shifts—and are working to adapt. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-1-sea-cucumber-fever" data-scroll-href="part-1-sea-cucumber-fever"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 2</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 1: Sea Cucumber Fever </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> How a sea cucumber boom shaped the Galápagos and the conservation efforts now in place. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-2-finding-balance" data-scroll-href="part-2-finding-balance"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 3</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 2: Finding Balance </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> How the fisher-scientist cooperation is working to improve conservation. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-3-tensions-with-marine-protected-areas" data-scroll-href="part-3-tensions-with-marine-protected-areas"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 4</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 3: Tensions with Marine Protected Areas </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> And why trust is so important to fostering a positive outcome. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-4-fishers-contend-with-sand-dredging" data-scroll-href="part-4-fishers-contend-with-sand-dredging"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 5</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 4: Fishers Contend With Sand Dredging </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> And how these communities in Indonesia are impacted. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-5-a-lobster-tale" data-scroll-href="part-5-a-lobster-tale"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 6</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 5: A Lobster Tale </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> How changing demographics are shaping Maine’s iconic lobster industry. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-6-whats-crab-got-to-do-with-it" data-scroll-href="part-6-whats-crab-got-to-do-with-it"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 7</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 6: What's Crab Got to Do With It? 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Follow and listen to <em>The Catch </em>wherever you get your podcasts. </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Season 4 of The Catch Coming Soon" data-text="The Catch - Season 4 of The Catch Coming Soon" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=season-4-of-the-catch-coming-soon" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Season 4 of The Catch Coming Soon" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=season-4-of-the-catch-coming-soon" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-1-sea-cucumber-fever" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 1: Sea Cucumber Fever</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 1: Sea Cucumber Fever"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/pdrl.fm/e800c2/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP8949198651.mp3?updated=1724196410" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Fpdrl.fm%2Fe800c2%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP8949198651.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1724196410','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> This season we kick things off off in Ecuador, where reporter Carolina Loza León heads to the famed Galápagos Islands to hear how a sea cucumber boom shaped the economy and current conservation efforts. SHOW NOTES: If you’re a fisher, we want to hear from you! The Catch is hosting a <a href="https://foreignpolicy.com/events/fp-unga79-2/the-catch-unga79/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">live podcast taping at the United Nations General Assembly</a>, and we’re looking for a fisher who has experience with marine protected areas and is either based in New York or can be in New York in September. 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We hear how some fishers, frustrated by decreased yields and the dangers of harvesting sea cucumbers, have turned to tourism to make ends meet. Elsewhere, efforts are being made to connect and engage fishers and scientists in a dialogue, in the form of a quota system. Its aim is to protect this fragile ecosystem and could be a model for cooperation elsewhere in Ecuador. SHOW NOTES: If you’re a fisher, we want to hear from you! The Catch is hosting a <a href="https://foreignpolicy.com/events/fp-unga79-2/the-catch-unga79/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">live podcast taping at the United Nations General Assembly</a>, and we’re looking for a fisher who has experience with marine protected areas and is either based in New York or can be in New York in September. 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The country is moving forward to implement the United Nations’ 30 by 30 goals, which seek to protect <a href="https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2021/09/22/more-than-100-countries-call-for-protecting-at-least-30-percent-of-the-global-ocean-by-2030" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">30 percent</a> of the world’s oceans by the year 2030. While environmentalists contend that this will actually help increase fishing stocks, many local fishers and others are skeptical of government plans because of the country’s history of apartheid and forced removal of locals from their land. 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Land is a premium for this country of 17,000 islands. And so the country is expanding its buildable land by dumping sand into the water, negatively impacting the small-scale fisheries nearby. Firdaus tells host Ruxandra Guidi how these projects are hurting fishers both in Bali, where the sand is dumped, and in far-away Lombok, where the sand is mined. The Catch is going <strong>LIVE</strong> in New York City later this month. Come be a part of our live audience on Sept. 26 at 4:30 p.m. at Rockefeller Center’s Studio Gather to hear from experts and fishers on how protecting our oceans can benefit everyone. Click the link <a href="https://foreignpolicy.com/events/fp-unga79-2/the-catch-unga79/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a> to reserve your seat for this special event. 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First, you’ll hear how green crabs, an invasive species, are being turned into a delicacy by the local culinary scene. 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The discussion, on marine protected areas, was moderated by <strong>Matt Rand</strong>, the senior director of marine habitat protection at the Pew Charitable Trusts. A few guests joined Rand on stage: <strong>Monica Medina</strong> is a former U.S. assistant secretary of state for oceans and international environmental and scientific affairs. She’s currently a distinguished fellow at <a href="https://www.conservation.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Conservation International</a>. <strong>Joel Johnson</strong> is the president and CEO of the <a href="https://marinesanctuary.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">National Marine Sanctuary Foundation</a>. <strong>Editrudith Lukanga </strong> is the founder and CEO of <a href="https://emedo.or.tz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">EMEDO</a>, an organization that supports small-scale fisheries in Tanzania, and she currently leads the Secretariat of the African Women Fish-Workers Network. <strong>Jim Leape</strong> is a co-director and the William and Eva Price senior fellow at the <a href="https://woods.stanford.edu/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Stanford Woods Institute for the Environment</a>. </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Bonus: Live From UNGA" data-text="The Catch - Bonus: Live From UNGA" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=bonus-live-from-unga" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Bonus: Live From UNGA" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=bonus-live-from-unga" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content" id="season-3"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <h2 class="season-heading">Season 3</h2> <div class="podcasts-more-episodes"> <div class="grid--container"> <div class="grid--flex grid--flow grid__third"> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=season-3-of-the-catch-coming-soon" data-scroll-href="season-3-of-the-catch-coming-soon"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 1</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Season 3 of The Catch Coming Soon </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> A new episode every week, starting Nov. 14. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-1-in-cod-we-trust" data-scroll-href="part-1-in-cod-we-trust"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 2</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 1: In Cod We Trust </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> How northern Norway’s cod fishery is caught up by the politics of Russia’s war in Ukraine. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-2-cod-of-war" data-scroll-href="part-2-cod-of-war"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 3</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 2: Cod of War </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> Icelandic President Gudni Th. Johannesson on the Cod Wars. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-3-make-the-north-great-again" data-scroll-href="part-3-make-the-north-great-again"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 4</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 3: Make the North Great Again </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> How businesses and stakeholders prevented future cod collapses. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-4-of-cod-%26-country" data-scroll-href="part-4-of-cod-%26-country"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 5</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 4: Of Cod & Country </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> How fish farms are shaping local Norwegian economies. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-5-holding-the-line" data-scroll-href="part-5-holding-the-line"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 6</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 5: Holding the Line </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> What do politics have to do with it? </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-6-cod-almighty" data-scroll-href="part-6-cod-almighty"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 7</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 6: Cod Almighty </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> What can the Arctic region tell us about fishery conflicts in the future? </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=bonus-episode-preventing-fisheries-conflict-around-the-world" data-scroll-href="bonus-episode-preventing-fisheries-conflict-around-the-world"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 8</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Bonus Episode: Preventing Fisheries Conflict Around the World </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> Foreign Policy teamed up with the Walton Family Foundation for a live podcast taping at COP28. </p> </div> </a> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="season-3-of-the-catch-coming-soon" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Season 3 of The Catch Coming Soon</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Season 3 of The Catch Coming Soon"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP1311877126.mp3?updated=1699317310" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP1311877126.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1699317310','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> Coming up on Season 3 of <i data-stringify-type="italic">The Catch</i>, hear how one of the Arctic’s most valuable fisheries—cod—is being impacted by the politics of Russia’s war in Ukraine as well as changing fish migration patterns due to climate change. Host Ruxandra Guidi heads to northern Norway to meet with the fishers and processors caught the middle. Follow and listen to <i data-stringify-type="italic">The Catch </i>wherever you get your podcasts. </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Season 3 of The Catch Coming Soon" data-text="The Catch - Season 3 of The Catch Coming Soon" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=season-3-of-the-catch-coming-soon" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Season 3 of The Catch Coming Soon" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=season-3-of-the-catch-coming-soon" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-1-in-cod-we-trust" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 1: In Cod We Trust</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 1: In Cod We Trust"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP9828972761.mp3?updated=1699934214" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP9828972761.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1699934214','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> <span style="font-weight: 400">Host Ruxandra Guidi heads to northern Norway to get a firsthand look at one of the country’s top fisheries: cod. Joined by northern Norway native and co-reporter Eskild Johansen, Guidi hears from local fishermen and stakeholders in the port city of Kirkenes, as it closes port access to Russian fishing trawlers. And we hear from policy experts on a decades-old cooperation agreement between Russia and Norway as it’s being tested like never before.</span> </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Part 1: In Cod We Trust" data-text="The Catch - Part 1: In Cod We Trust" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-1-in-cod-we-trust" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Part 1: In Cod We Trust" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-1-in-cod-we-trust" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-2-cod-of-war" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 2: Cod of War</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 2: Cod of War"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/pdrl.fm/e800c2/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP6775335928.mp3?updated=1700529343" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Fpdrl.fm%2Fe800c2%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP6775335928.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1700529343','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> <span style="font-weight: 400">On this episode of </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">The Catch</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">, we kick off our program with a British staple: fish and chips. We then hear how this iconic dish led to an interstate dispute between Iceland and the U.K. known as the Cod Wars. Host Ruxandra Guidi is joined by historian and Icelandic President Gudni Th. Johannesson, and Mark Kurlansky, the author of </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">Cod: A Biography of the Fish That Changed the World</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">, to hear how the Cod Wars have shaped our oceans to this day.</span> </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Part 2: Cod of War" data-text="The Catch - Part 2: Cod of War" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-2-cod-of-war" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Part 2: Cod of War" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-2-cod-of-war" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-3-make-the-north-great-again" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 3: Make the North Great Again</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 3: Make the North Great Again"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/pdrl.fm/e800c2/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP3217558406.mp3?updated=1701183752" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Fpdrl.fm%2Fe800c2%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP3217558406.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1701183752','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> <span style="font-weight: 400">On this episode of </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">The Catch</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">, host Ruxandra Guidi and co-reporter Eskild Johansen hear firsthand how northern Norway’s oldest fishing communities have dealt with cod fishery collapses in the past. These communities weren’t the only ones facing “cod crashes.” Fisheries supply chain expert Jim Cannon then joins Guidi to share how he worked directly with business partners and stakeholders in the ‘80s and early ‘90s to improve sourcing and save cod fisheries from further collapse.</span> </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Part 3: Make the North Great Again" data-text="The Catch - Part 3: Make the North Great Again" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-3-make-the-north-great-again" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Part 3: Make the North Great Again" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-3-make-the-north-great-again" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-4-of-cod-&-country" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 4: Of Cod & Country</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 4: Of Cod & Country"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/pdrl.fm/e800c2/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP5329331809.mp3?updated=1701741558" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Fpdrl.fm%2Fe800c2%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP5329331809.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1701741558','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> On this episode of <em>The Catch</em>, host Ruxandra Guidi and co-reporter Eskild Johansen hear how the economics of fishing shape Norway’s identity—and vice versa. The two explore the impact of fish farms and visit places where the burgeoning industry has been welcomed, and others where it’s been shunned. The episode also features insight from Norwegian aquaculture researcher Irja Vormedal. </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Part 4: Of Cod & Country" data-text="The Catch - Part 4: Of Cod & Country" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-4-of-cod-%26-country" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Part 4: Of Cod & Country" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-4-of-cod-%26-country" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-5-holding-the-line" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 5: Holding the Line</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 5: Holding the Line"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/pdrl.fm/e800c2/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP5029529042.mp3?updated=1702487582" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Fpdrl.fm%2Fe800c2%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP5029529042.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1702487582','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> Making sure that fish stocks are healthy—and that fishers can keep on making a living—is no simple task. On this episode of <em>The Catch</em>, host Ruxandra Guidi and co-reporter Eskild Johansen hear from local fishermen on how they have to be just as aware of political winds as they do bad weather. And then Guidi hears from Sergey Sennikov, Norebo’s chief sustainability officer, and Konstantin Drevetnyak, the head of the Russian Union of Northern Fishermen, on how they work to meet the demands of the Russian-Norway cod fishery agreement. </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Part 5: Holding the Line" data-text="The Catch - Part 5: Holding the Line" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-5-holding-the-line" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Part 5: Holding the Line" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-5-holding-the-line" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-6-cod-almighty" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 6: Cod Almighty</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 6: Cod Almighty"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/pdrl.fm/e800c2/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP4595565051.mp3?updated=1702994362" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Fpdrl.fm%2Fe800c2%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP4595565051.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1702994362','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> For our final episode of <em>The Catch</em>, host Ruxandra Guidi and co-reporter Eskild Johansen head to the island of Svalbard to see firsthand how geopolitical tensions between Russia and Norway are playing out. Guidi is then joined by former U.S. diplomat Evan Bloom to hear how diplomacy and cooperation have shaped the Arctic region. </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Part 6: Cod Almighty" data-text="The Catch - Part 6: Cod Almighty" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-6-cod-almighty" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Part 6: Cod Almighty" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-6-cod-almighty" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="bonus-episode-preventing-fisheries-conflict-around-the-world" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Bonus Episode: Preventing Fisheries Conflict Around the World</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Bonus Episode: Preventing Fisheries Conflict Around the World"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/pdrl.fm/e800c2/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP6377357840.mp3?updated=1703173559" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Fpdrl.fm%2Fe800c2%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP6377357840.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1703173559','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.worldwildlife.org/stories/fish-are-at-the-center-of-conflict-saving-fish-stocks-can-build-peace__;!!AFluOXvv_-0!HWhEK4gqb-LiPoWsj1JHcoGKKuAmf5xl8Pc04oaEgZ3F6d0olZLyjhnCClWVdjnfksEQeTptt2yOyDLZrdev6hmzw_aw%24" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Over half of the world’s fish populations are likely to move from their historic habitats by the end of the century.</a> Pushed by rising temperatures and changing ocean cycles, these migrating fish stocks could be the cause for our next international conflict. Between the end of WWII and the collapse of the Soviet Union, a quarter of the world’s conflicts were tied to fisheries. And experts expect this number to rise as fishing grounds shift, reliance on the oceans for food increase, and maritime borders move with sea level change. What can be done to prevent this next global conflict? <em>Foreign Policy</em> teamed up with the Walton Family Foundation for a live podcast taping at COP28. PANELISTS: Manuel Barange, Assistant Director General and Director Fisheries and Aquaculture Division, Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations Sarah Glaser, Senior Director, Oceans Futures, World Wildlife Fund Rashid Sumaila, University Killam Professor, Institute for the Oceans and Fisheries, Fisheries Economic Research Institute, OceanCanada Partnership, The University of British Columbia Dr. Manumatavai Tupou-Rosen, Director General, Pacific Islands Forum Fisheries Agency MODERATOR: Rebecca Hubbard, Director, High Seas Alliance </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Bonus Episode: Preventing Fisheries Conflict Around the World" data-text="The Catch - Bonus Episode: Preventing Fisheries Conflict Around the World" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=bonus-episode-preventing-fisheries-conflict-around-the-world" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> 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class="grid--container"> <div class="grid--flex grid--flow grid__third"> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=coming-soon-season-2-of-the-catch" data-scroll-href="coming-soon-season-2-of-the-catch"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 1</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Coming Soon: Season 2 of The Catch </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> Season 2 of The Catch launches on March 21. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-1-the-aquarium-of-the-world" data-scroll-href="part-1-the-aquarium-of-the-world"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 2</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 1: The Aquarium of the World </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> An ecological wonder is under threat due to illegal gillnet fishing. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-2-a-complex-web" data-scroll-href="part-2-a-complex-web"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 3</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 2: A Complex Web </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> Learn how demand for totoaba and blue shrimp led to a dire situation for the vaquita porpoise. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-3-the-embargo" data-scroll-href="part-3-the-embargo"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 4</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 3: The Embargo </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> Hear about efforts to cut down on gillnets in the Upper Gulf and save the vaquita. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-4-the-cartel-of-the-sea" data-scroll-href="part-4-the-cartel-of-the-sea"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 5</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 4: The Cartel of the Sea </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> And how the weak response from the Mexican government is impacting local fishers. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-5-pressure-points" data-scroll-href="part-5-pressure-points"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 6</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 5: Pressure Points </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> Learn what importers and consumers can do to improve sustainability. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-6-the-future" data-scroll-href="part-6-the-future"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 7</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 6: The Future </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> How fishers are working toward more sustainable practices. </p> </div> </a> </div> </div> </div> </div> <p class="skip-to-season-anchor"> <a href="#season-1">Listen to Season 1</a> </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="coming-soon-season-2-of-the-catch" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Coming Soon: Season 2 of The Catch</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Coming Soon: Season 2 of The Catch"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP2276247274.mp3?updated=1678476245" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP2276247274.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1678476245','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> <div>Coming up on this season of <em>The Catch</em>, we head to the Upper Gulf of California to see what a porpoise, a fish whose bladder fetches tens of thousands of dollars on the black market, and the highly desirable—and delicious—colossal shrimp tell us about the complicated world of fishing. This spring, <em>Foreign Policy</em> is partnering with the Walton Family Foundation for Season 2 of <em>The Catch</em>, hosted by Ruxandra Guidi. We’ll hear how local fishermen are caught between providing for their families and protecting marine habitats. And how governments, importers, and consumers all have a role in returning balance to the Upper Gulf of California. Follow and listen to <em>The Catch</em> in Spanish and English wherever you get your podcasts.</div> <div></div> <span style="font-weight: 400">Listen to </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">The Catch </span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">in Spanish <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/la-captura/id1676671742">here</a>.</span> </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Coming Soon: Season 2 of The Catch" data-text="The Catch - Coming Soon: Season 2 of The Catch" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=coming-soon-season-2-of-the-catch" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Coming Soon: Season 2 of The Catch" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=coming-soon-season-2-of-the-catch" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-1-the-aquarium-of-the-world" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 1: The Aquarium of the World</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 1: The Aquarium of the World"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP3535288655.mp3?updated=1679349892" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP3535288655.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1679349892','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> In Part 1 of our new season of <em>The Catch</em>, host Ruxandra Guidi along with co-reporter Ernesto Méndez and marine biologist Alex Olivera travel to the Upper Gulf of California to meet with local experts and shrimp fishers. The underwater explorer Jacques Cousteau once deemed this area “The Aquarium of the World” because it was so rich in biodiversity. But unfortunately much of this ecological wonder is under threat due to illegal gillnet fishing. At the center of everything is a small porpoise called the vaquita, whose numbers have dwindled to less than a dozen. In this episode, Guidi speaks to local fishers and hears from environmentalist Rick Brusca as well as former NOAA Fisheries official Barbara Taylor. They discuss how the highly desirable blue shrimp endemic to the Gulf of California has been tied up in conservation efforts to protect the vaquita. Listen to <i>The Catch </i>in Spanish <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/la-captura/id1676671742">here</a>. </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Part 1: The Aquarium of the World" data-text="The Catch - Part 1: The Aquarium of the World" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-1-the-aquarium-of-the-world" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Part 1: The Aquarium of the World" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-1-the-aquarium-of-the-world" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-2-a-complex-web" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 2: A Complex Web</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 2: A Complex Web"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP6774706117.mp3?updated=1679965675" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP6774706117.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1679965675','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> On today’s episode, we look into what led to the dire situation faced by the vaquita and the fishing communities in the Upper Gulf of California. Host <strong>Ruxandra Guidi</strong> and her travel companions learn more about the history of fishing in the area and how demand for high-value seafood such as the totoaba and blue shrimp led to a dire situation for the vaquita porpoise. In this episode, Guidi speaks to <strong>Carlos Tirado</strong>, a champion of sustainable fishing in the Upper Gulf. He’s also the leader of an independent regional federation of small-scale fishers. Later, she heads out on the water with <strong>Captain Naya </strong>to explore an area where scientists had hoped to study and protect vaquita in captivity. Listen to <i>The Catch </i>in Spanish <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/la-captura/id1676671742">here</a>. </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Part 2: A Complex Web" data-text="The Catch - Part 2: A Complex Web" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-2-a-complex-web" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Part 2: A Complex Web" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-2-a-complex-web" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-3-the-embargo" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 3: The Embargo</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 3: The Embargo"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP6832802197.mp3?updated=1680561447" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP6832802197.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1680561447','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> On today’s episode of <em>The Catch</em>, host <strong>Ruxandra Guidi</strong> continues her exploration of the Upper Gulf of California to learn more about what can be done to stop illegal gillnet fishing. We hear from <strong>Zak Smith</strong>, a senior attorney and the director of global biodiversity conservation at the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC). He led an effort to force a U.S. embargo on seafood from the area. Guidi then reports on the efforts made by the NRDC and others to compel Mexico to follow its own laws to protect the vaquita. She and her travel companions venture out on a boat to see firsthand whether or not tighter restrictions have impacted local fishers and the market for the highly desirable blue shrimp. </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Part 3: The Embargo" data-text="The Catch - Part 3: The Embargo" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-3-the-embargo" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Part 3: The Embargo" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-3-the-embargo" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-4-the-cartel-of-the-sea" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 4: The Cartel of the Sea</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 4: The Cartel of the Sea"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP9290727513.mp3?updated=1681161493" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP9290727513.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1681161493','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> In today’s episode, host Ruxandra Guidi looks at the conditions in the upper Gulf of California that have allowed Mexican cartels to embed themselves into nearly all aspects of the fishing industry. She investigates the weak response from the Mexican government in rooting out the cartels and tries to learn what, if anything, can be done about all this. This episode features conversations with Vanda Felbab-Brown, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, and Carlos Tirado, a local fishers leader who runs a large artisanal shrimp fishing operation and is an advocate for sustainable fishing. </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Part 4: The Cartel of the Sea" data-text="The Catch - Part 4: The Cartel of the Sea" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-4-the-cartel-of-the-sea" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Part 4: The Cartel of the Sea" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-4-the-cartel-of-the-sea" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-5-pressure-points" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 5: Pressure Points</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 5: Pressure Points"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP8937828202.mp3?updated=1681762189" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP8937828202.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1681762189','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> In this episode, host Ruxandra Guidi follows the market for Mexican blue shrimp up the supply chain to see what pressure importers and consumers can have on ensuring the shrimp is not caught illegally. She'll hear from sustainable importers and packagers and talk about how they are trying to implement different practices, as well as the limitations they face. She'll also hear how pressure from international markets such as the United States could force the Mexican government to implement meaningful change to how the Gulf of California is fished. </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Part 5: Pressure Points" data-text="The Catch - Part 5: Pressure Points" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-5-pressure-points" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Part 5: Pressure Points" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-5-pressure-points" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-6-the-future" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 6: The Future</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 6: The Future"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP3630546947.mp3?updated=1682432989S2%20Part%20VI:%20The%20Future" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP3630546947.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1682432989S2%20Part%20VI%3A%20The%20Future','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> Host Ruxandra Guidi concludes this season with a look at the state of fishing in the Upper Gulf of California. She meets with members of <a href="http://pescaabc.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Pesca ABC</a>, an organization of fishers who are trying to implement sustainable fishing practices. She also shares some good news about the vaquita porpoise and the efforts to protect its habitat. </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Part 6: The Future" data-text="The Catch - Part 6: The Future" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-6-the-future" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Part 6: The Future" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-6-the-future" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content" id="season-1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <h2 class="season-heading">Season 1</h2> <div class="podcasts-more-episodes"> <div class="grid--container"> <div class="grid--flex grid--flow grid__third"> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-1-out-to-sea" data-scroll-href="part-1-out-to-sea"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 1</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 1: Out to Sea </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> The race to catch squid off the coast of Peru is increasingly pitting local artisanal fishers against huge multinational fleets. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-2-pota-in-paita" data-scroll-href="part-2-pota-in-paita"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 2</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 2: Pota in Paita </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> From local markets to a processing plant, our team heads to one of the most important squid fisheries in the world: Paita, Peru. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-3-whos-in-charge" data-scroll-href="part-3-whos-in-charge"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 3</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 3: Who’s in Charge? </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> Tracing the journey of squid—a $500 million industry in Peru—hundreds of miles from home isn’t as simple as it seems. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-4-the-high-seas" data-scroll-href="part-4-the-high-seas"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 4</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 4: The High Seas </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> What’s being done to curb illegal, unregulated, and unreported fishing. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-5-game-changing-diplomacy" data-scroll-href="part-5-game-changing-diplomacy"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 5</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 5: Game-Changing Diplomacy </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> The diplomats who are working to protect our oceans. </p> </div> </a> </div> <div class="excerpt-content"> <a href="?episode=part-6-the-fate-of-fishing" data-scroll-href="part-6-the-fate-of-fishing"> <h3 class="subhead">Episode 6</h3> <div class="hed-heading -excerpt"> <h4 class="hed"> Part 6: The Fate of Fishing </h4> </div> <div class="dek-heading -excerpt"> <p class="dek"> How consumers should think about their seafood. </p> </div> </a> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-1-out-to-sea" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 1: Out to Sea</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 1: Out to Sea"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP5484565891.mp3?updated=1675497297" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP5484565891.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1675497297','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> <span style="font-weight: 400">Host Ruxandra Guidi, along with her Lima-based reporting partner Simeon Tegel (@SimeonTegel), travel to Paita, Peru, to get a firsthand look at one of the country’s top fisheries: squid.</span> We begin with<span style="font-weight: 400"> Lima-based reporter Dan Collyns (@yachay_dc) as he joins the Peruvian Coast Guard as it patrols Peru’s waters and works to prevent illegal fishing. We hear from local fishermen Eduardo Garcia, Javier Chiroque, and Atias Aguilar on what it’s like to be out at sea day-in and day-out. And finally, we then hear from Edwin Houghton, president of the Paita Fishing Boat Owners’ Association, on why the Peruvian government should do more to help these fishermen.</span> </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Part 1: Out to Sea" data-text="The Catch - Part 1: Out to Sea" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-1-out-to-sea" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Part 1: Out to Sea" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-1-out-to-sea" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-2-pota-in-paita" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 2: Pota in Paita</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 2: Pota in Paita"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP9575909199.mp3?updated=1675497341" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP9575909199.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1675497341','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> <span style="font-weight: 400">On this week’s episode of </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">The Catch</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">, </span><span style="font-weight: 400">we continue to follow squid, or <em>pota</em>, as it’s known locally. We hear </span><span style="font-weight: 400">from local</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">fisherman Armando Chinchay on how artisanal fishers are faring against larger industrial fleets. Then we head to two processing plants to speak with </span><span style="font-weight: 400">Gerardo Carrera of Produmar and Hector Olaya of Fisholg & Sons about how squid has changed the local and national economy. And finally, we speak with Juan Carlos Sueiro, the fisheries director at Oceana, about the state of squid in Peru.</span> </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Part 2: Pota in Paita" data-text="The Catch - Part 2: Pota in Paita" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-2-pota-in-paita" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Part 2: Pota in Paita" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-2-pota-in-paita" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-3-whos-in-charge" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 3: Who’s in Charge?</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 3: Who’s in Charge?"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP6945741797.mp3?updated=1675497375" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP6945741797.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1675497375','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> In Part III of our series, host Ruxandra Guidi and reporter Simeon Tegel return to Lima, Peru, to hear from officials and NGOs on how sustainability could be improved. Voices in this episode include Cpt. Jesus Menacho of the Peruvian Coast Guard and Alfonso Miranda, the president of Calamasur. They speak to Carlos Martín Salazar at the Instituto del Mar del Perú about ways to improve sustainability with data. 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She hears from Peter Hammarstedt, a captain with the conservation organization Sea Shepherd, as well as Dyhia Belhabib, a principal investigator at Ecotrust Canada and an executive director at Nautical Crime Investigation Services. The two discuss the ways in which NGOs are assisting law enforcement to root out bad actors and what can be done to better monitor international waters. </div> </div> <div class="social_share_links"> <button data-endpoint="twitter" data-title="The Catch - Part 4: The High Seas" data-text="The Catch - Part 4: The High Seas" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-4-the-high-seas" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on twitter"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/twitter_white.svg" alt="Share on Twitter" class="twitter-button" /> </button> <button data-endpoint="facebook" data-title="The Catch - Part 4: The High Seas" data-text="" data-url="http://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/the-catch/?episode=part-4-the-high-seas" onclick="socialshares.share(this);" aria-label="share on facebook"> <img src="https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/themes/foreign-policy-2017/assets/src/images/icons/facebook_white.svg" alt="Share on Facebook" class="facebook-button" /> </button> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="podcasts-content post-content latest-season-content" data-post-id="411130898" data-premium="no" data-premium-trigger="yes" data-whitelist="1"> <div class="post-content-main shares-position" id="part-5-game-changing-diplomacy" tabindex="0"> <div class="grid--container grid--flex"> <div class="podcasts-content-inner"> <div class="podcasts-latest-episode"> <h3>Part 5: Game-Changing Diplomacy</h3> <audio style="width: 100%;" controls="controls" preload="none" aria-label="Listen to Part 5: Game-Changing Diplomacy"> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/FD8735/traffic.megaphone.fm/FGP3708164437.mp3?updated=1675497500" type="audio/mp3"> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="audio" value="http://releases.flowplayer.org/swf/flowplayer-3.2.1.swf"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <param name="flashVars" value="config={'playlist':[{'url':'http://https%3A%2F%2Fchrt.fm%2Ftrack%2FFD8735%2Ftraffic.megaphone.fm%2FFGP3708164437.mp3%3Fupdated%3D1675497500','autoPlay':false}]}"> </object> </audio> <div class="podcast-meta"> This year, the future of squid and the oceans in general is being determined by a relatively small group of diplomats and representatives who are working on new agreements to regulate the laws of the oceans. With new incentives to curb fishing subsidies, new marine protected areas, and new laws for the high seas, collectively these agreements could have a major impact on the health of the Earth’s oceans and the viability of all fishing stocks. Today on <em>The Catch</em> we go behind the scenes—first to the United Nations, where we meet up with Lisa Speer from the Natural Resources Defense Council and learn about the work she’s doing to help shape U.N. negotiations over a new treaty governing the high seas. Next we hear from Matt Rand, an oceans expert with the Pew Charitable Trusts, on what it takes to get various sides to come together to create and expand marine protected areas. 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